--- Below is conversation between Dalton Liwanpo and Caelan Hill.
--- Messages marked as Edit were either for Typos or for Clarifying.

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 2:58 PM
You still need a raid chat

- VSmolGay - Today at 2:59 PM
Thought there wouldn't be a need for one considering that we had Candella / Gen-Chat. I have a feeling even if I create a Raid Chat nobody would post in it.

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:00 PM
How ya going to organize raids?
How will people knoe start times for groups?

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:00 PM
The idea was for every to communicate in Gen when Candella mentioned a Raid, but there was none of that to begin with. (edited)

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:01 PM
We are still fairly small. Once we get to 100+ members, there will be general chat will have too muh chatter.

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:01 PM
If it gets to that point then we will add a Raid Chat.
Right now, there isn't even any chatter in General.

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:01 PM
There is restrictions on members to join to. Some people only have the Web app rather than actual app. You locked it

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:02 PM
And there is a reason for that.
Although, literately the only restriction is that you need a verified e-mail.
For the Introduction chat, the only thing needed is a Screenshot to be posted which can also be done on the web app.

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:03 PM
There's also ko advertising on group either. You are losing people for not having actual app. Deal with spoofers later. Easiest thing to do is assign nicknames to be the actual person. People will notice what in gamr accounts are spoofing anf therefore you can kick then

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:05 PM
No Advertising? I'm not sure I understand.
Everyone has the ability to do the exact same thing even without the actual app.
They can chat just the same, and get verified just the same.

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:07 PM
Notice how people said to let people in? Uou made a restriction that prevents people from joining if they dont have app. I verified on Facebook group. The only advertising done so far is 1) your instinct post and 2) a small post I made in which some people can't join based on not having downloaded app.

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:08 PM
https://gyazo.com/a81e7b7948f96dba7debddcc35e560c2

Again, literately the only restriction is you need to have a verified e-mail account.
Which you can also do on the web app.

There is no such restriction that prevents people from joining if they don't have the app.
If there is, then I don't know about it.
The 'Let people in' I assume was the fact that people in the Unverified Role couldn't use any other chat other than Introduction.
Which, again, is for a good reason.
And those who had already have all been let in.

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:10 PM
It's best having join links on actual raid chats on Facebook.  So active people actually is. Tbh, there shouldn't be any restrictions. Some people don't even look at their emails.the Web app goes straight to group.  It doesn't allow the people to join if they click it on Web browser without creating account. Furthermore it doesn't let then verify.
The only groups that should be restricted is the team chats
Being a control freak is keeping numbers low and group inactive

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:12 PM
Okay, first of all, rude much on calling me a control freak?
There are reasons, not just for spoofers, to have this restriction.

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:14 PM
1) your requesting personal information
2) your restricting conversation on this basis making it more restricted than the Facebook group
3) your not promoting a successful nor social group this way.

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:15 PM
1) Name and City is not a big deal my dude
2) Spammer, Spoofers a like are a huge pain in the ass
3) Like yours was any more successful or social.(edited)

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:16 PM
Rules against spamming
Kick if they don't follow rules

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:16 PM
Doesn't help, trust me.

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:16 PM
Passive leadership equals bad leadership

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:16 PM
I have moderated over 50 servers
A 'Don't Spam' rule has never worked in my experience.(edited)

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:17 PM
We have successfully created a don't spam rule in the Windsor group and we get idiots from detroit even.

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:18 PM
I am going by my own experiences here.

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:24 PM
And I'm going by systems that are  wing successful for this type of game. It's not the same as wow or things like that

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:26 PM
I'm not talking about MMO games; those are impossible to moderate.
Even General servers with no game orientation have had the same problem.

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:28 PM
And somehow we pulled a miracle off in the Windsor group? Yeah right.

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:29 PM
While very, very, very rare, some servers with moderators that can fully trust each other have little to no problem.
I didn't say it was impossible.(edited)

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:29 PM
When enforced, it works.

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:29 PM
Again, not from my experience.(edited)

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:30 PM
then your not moderating properly.

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:30 PM
Possibly that, I will not deny if it is.
But I've also never had moderators other than myself that tried to enforce the rule.(edited)

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:30 PM
the amount of complaints you are getting with people just trying to join

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:31 PM
Here, I'm going to do a test real quick.

+ [untar]liwanpo - Today at 3:32 PM
if you dont want to anything about it, then fine. never expand your group. Goodbye

- VSmolGay - Today at 3:33 PM
So, guess what I've done.
I've made it so there are no restrictions and I still don't get the option to go into the server on the mobile web app.
Only on the Desktop Browser App.

--- ( Messages could no longer be sent due to [Untar]Liwanpo blocking me from messaging )