<gumbal1> every time i come up with lore, i do it in hopes that the concept will be scary to me
<gumbal1> but like
<gumbal1> because i created it, it's inherently unscary to me
<gumbal1> because i basically know all about it
<Balthazaar> Then leave something a mystery
<Balthazaar> Or multiple choice, even
<DarnellJermaine> gum! can you send me logs for the end of the run? Just everything after my last post would be dank
<gumbal1> i'll post it to the site
<gumbal1> http://fifthsanctum.com/logs:i-don-t-know-why-everyone-liked-this-run
<DarnellJermaine> referring to your title, it was honestly by a landslide the most fun run I've ever been in
<gumbal1> here's a secret
<gumbal1> there was major phoning in involved
<gumbal1> i dunno how my depressed ass was able to
<gumbal1> oh
<gumbal1> here's a fun story
<gumbal1> so
<gumbal1> do you wanna know what the biggest bit of sunshine in my day was?
<gumbal1> pretty much the only bit actually tbh
<gumbal1> so, i'm in a pretty bad mood because i got catcalled and the greek place i wanted to go to had closed for the day
<gumbal1> so i'm walking back to my apartment
<gumbal1> and, as usual, there's this car pulled up to the side, waiting to be let in
<gumbal1> (there's two gates here, one for cars and one for people)
<gumbal1> and i'm about to open the car gate because that's what i usualy do
<gumbal1> then i remember something
<gumbal1> something i had basically been thinking about for a while
<gumbal1> see, i am...not the biggest fan of trump, for a variety of reasons
<gumbal1> but im even less of a fan of the people who voted him into office and basically gave fascism a platform it hadn't had since superman beat the kkk in 1948
<gumbal1> so i go over to the car window and ask a simple question
<gumbal1> "who'd you vote for?"
<gumbal1> he asks why, i tell him i'm just curious
<gumbal1> "trump"
* DarnellJermaine thought there were no politics in OOC
<gumbal1> so i just nod!
<gumbal1> (this is tangential at best)
<gumbal1> and then proceed to, in full view of him, unlock the person-sized gate and completely ignore the car gate
<gumbal1> and just walk back to my apartment
<gumbal1> cheered me up quite a bit
<Imp-Kitsu> Lol
<Imp-Kitsu> That's pretty wicked
<SavanahHolland> I mean, I dunno, I don't agree with trump
<SavanahHolland> but you don't know what's up with that person :/
<Silvors> We're not doing political debates in the OOC
<SavanahHolland> I'm not debating politics
<SavanahHolland> just offering my opinion
* Imp-Kitsu sits around mixing condiments
* SavanahHolland gives imp some honey mustard
<Charlotte_> want to hear spooky story?
<Imp-Kitsu> I am trying some burbon maple syrup and chili sesame oil
<DarnellJermaine> silvors you waited til after someone said you shouldn't judge a persons beliefs before jumping in cmon dude
<Imp-Kitsu> That's actually super good.
<Silvors> Nooo?
<DarnellJermaine> and let the rest of the story go
<DarnellJermaine> if politics aren't going to be talked about keep it out mon both sides
<Silvors> I was in a different conversation and only checked the channel at that point
<DarnellJermaine> not just when someone defends one candidate
<Silvors> Politics can be talked about, just not debated.
* SavanahHolland wasn't debating tho
<DarnellJermaine> saying you don't know what's up witha  person isn't a political debate
<DarnellJermaine> I don't even like agree with savanah a lot but like cmon
<SavanahHolland> ya you gotta know something's up if darnell if defending me lmaooo
<Silvors> Darnell, I don't know what you're smoking, but I was just reminding they aren't. I wasn't saying 'drop the topic'
<SavanahHolland> *is
<Kioku> Judge people based on their beliefs.  It's all you have to go on to know something about them besides their actions.
<Kioku> And we judge people based on their actions.
<Kioku> Since we judge what we know about them.  No judging people would mean you never decide who you want to be friends with.
<Kioku> Or, apparently, who you'll open the gate for XD
<SavanahHolland> I think you should judge on actions
<SavanahHolland> like I mean, if they spit on you and said "yeee trump" that's fair
<Kioku> Sometimes you don't want to wait for them to act on their beliefs to find out if they really will.
<SavanahHolland> I mean, I'm just saying, just because someone voted trump, doesn't mean they're a huge turd
<DarnellJermaine> I think you do judge people on their beliefs and actions
<DarnellJermaine> as in you actually spend time with them
<SavanahHolland> cant say the other option was the best anyways
<DarnellJermaine> not ask them one specific question at one specific time and place and never see them again
<DarnellJermaine> people are way way waaaay more complicated than that
<Kioku> Sometimes all you have time for is one question *shrug*
<DarnellJermaine> also
<SavanahHolland> why question them that in the first place?
<DarnellJermaine> it seems pretty intolerant to even assume every trump voter is a racist or asshole when the majority aren't
<SavanahHolland> why is it anyone's business who a random person voted for..
<DarnellJermaine> just like it isn't fair to assume every hillary supporter is an sjw cuck
<SavanahHolland> ^
<DarnellJermaine> and it worries me the bias I'm seeing in the gms for this chat sometimes
<DarnellJermaine> not just when it comes to politics either
<DarnellJermaine> everyone has biases that's part of life but you have to try to be an adult and be fair to everyone
<DarnellJermaine> so if we're gonna do no politics that means /no politics/
<Kioku> Nobody ever said we were doing no politics.
<DarnellJermaine> not politics when it's convenient for kioku or gumbal1 or silvors or anyone else and then shut down when it is't
<Kioku> Seriously, that was never a thing.
<DarnellJermaine> silvors did yesterday until I called him out, then "no political debates"
<Kioku> Politics has always been a 100% allowed topic to discuss.
<Kioku> Only no /debates/
<DarnellJermaine> I think saying you shouldn't judge someone doesn't count as a debate
<Kioku> You can talk about it in general all you want.
<Silvors> Darnell, you're acting like I was punishing Sav or something.
<Kioku> Judging people isn't political... :-\
<DarnellJermaine> I bet any money I would've been asked to stop talking if I had celebrated ort been happy about trumps election
<Silvors> I was reminding because preventing arguments is better than risking them starting.
<DarnellJermaine> which I didn't bc I know a lot of people here were against it
<DarnellJermaine> but I'd be willing to bet money some gm would've shut me down immediately
<Kioku> Granted you might judge somoene's character based on that, but in that case it's a quick snap thing
<DarnellJermaine> I probably can't even post a non-debate meme related video of the election in here that favors trump without backlash
<DarnellJermaine> and if you say politics are allowed but no debates
<Kioku> I'm just saying sometimes you don't want to invest lots of time or risk seeing their actions before you make a decision.
<DarnellJermaine> either you're inevitably going to favor one side
<DarnellJermaine> or people are going to talk about one candidate at the same time each without actually having a conversation
<DarnellJermaine> which is stupid
<DarnellJermaine> I like this rp and I like almost everyone in it and respect the gms, but this shit has got to stop
<DarnellJermaine> this favoritism and bias not just in politics but cliques and people
<DarnellJermaine> it's driving me up the wall (and not the one that'll be bordering mexico kek)
<Silvors> I don't do any favoritism nor bias and I'm pretty sure Kio doesn't either.
<DarnellJermaine> pretty sure this last conversation just proved it
<Silvors> It very much didn't. It was a lot of you trying to start something and failing.
* DarcellJermaine has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
<DarnellJermaine> as well as the other day when you and gujmbal1 kept talking abouts tates going blue and when I said you simply can't hate a candidate without knowing them you tried to shut me down
<DarnellJermaine> I'm starting something because this is a trend now
<SavanahHolland> I mean, what would you do if someone said the same thing gumbal1 did, but it was about hilary or bernie or something :/
<DarnellJermaine> I'm not here to start up trouble, but even now and throughout the time I've been here it's so obvious that you have a bias against me silvors
<Silvors> I wouldn't do anything Sav
<DarnellJermaine> even in thje lore talks you constantly assumed I was attacking you when I was trying to be neutral and fair
<Silvors> Full Disclosure: I voted for Johnson because I hate the two-party system
<DarnellJermaine> and even now you say I'm trying tos tart something rather than listen to me
<Silvors> No, your statements just don't have any evidence.
<DarnellJermaine> it's no secret dude and dancing around it won't fix anything, and there are plenty of cliques and biases in the community
<DarnellJermaine> the evidence is in the lore logs
<gumbal1> Full Disclosure: I'm not a fan of Trump for similar reasons a rat might not be a fan of the exterminator.
<DarnellJermaine> when you tell me I'm being passive aggressive and putting words in your mouth for dialoguing
<DarnellJermaine> my evidence is when you ignore my pms and me in ooc
<SavanahHolland> I don't mind who you're voting for, tbh I can't vote so XD
<DarnellJermaine> and my evidence is disagreeing with you means I'm trying to start shit
<Silvors> What PMs of yours have I ignored?
<Silvors> No, your evidence is trying to create things that aren't there. Are there cliques? Maybe. But that's not something I can help.
<DarnellJermaine> I'm not creating things that aren't there yo
<SavanahHolland> Are ther cliques? Yes.
<Silvors> Adding yo to a statement doesn't make it true
<DarnellJermaine> even despite your bias you've been relatively fair I won't lie
<DarnellJermaine> you've done your best to treat me and others equal
<Silvors> I'm not biased
<SavanahHolland> Literally everyone knows this, there are absolutely cliques
<DarnellJermaine> but this political stuff recently
<DarnellJermaine> has shown a lot of bias in mods and players
<DarnellJermaine> If I can be in a chat full of people that are mostly liberal and democrat and try to get along with them despite all their hatred against trump supporters and trump
<DarnellJermaine> why can't I get any respect for likingt trump and feel afraid to even say it at risk of my image?
<DarnellJermaine> I'm not a racist or a bigot or a sexist
<DarnellJermaine> in fact, I live in st. louis and a lot of my friends are black people who have dealt with a lot of the problems in this nation that I /talk to/ and /care about/
<DarnellJermaine> and even a lot of them voted trump too!
<Silvors> Who you vote for doesn't define you
<Balthazaar> I didn't vote for either of them
<DarnellJermaine> according to kioku a one word answer is enough to judge someone
<DarnellJermaine> and decide not to deal w them
<DarnellJermaine> it's silly
<Silvors> For some people  it might be enough
* Balthazaar voted for the Greens
<Silvors> It is silly, politics in general are.
<DarnellJermaine> we shouldn't be fighting over this shit but I'm tired of staying silent when the only politics I've heard is bashing one side
<SavanahHolland> i voted for boba in the election
<SavanahHolland> obviously
<DarnellJermaine> don't we have respect for eachother anymore?
<DarnellJermaine> sidenote if boba could/was running I would've voted boba in a heartbeat
<Silvors> Of course we have respect for each other
<SavanahHolland> i'd love presidentboba
<Charlotte_> subscribe to dolan dark is the true candidate to have voted for
<DarnellJermaine> I hope that's the case Silvors, I really do
<DarnellJermaine> because this is a pre damn good rp with a pretty tight community
<Silvors> Election seasons are always like this.
<Silvors> This one has been more fractured than usual, admittedly
<DarnellJermaine> But I want to be a part of a community that can bash /both/ candidates
<Nemi> hello friends it's me
<DarnellJermaine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGfOWZ9IHj4&feature=youtu.be like this golden meme
<Silvors> I want to be a community that doesn't bash either.
* SavanahHolland bashes silvors with a sponge
* Violette[SL5] is now known as Sarah-sleeps
* SavanahHolland is actually very gentle
* SavanahHolland bashes gently
<DarnellJermaine> that would be even better, silvors
<Silvors> The fact is, this is a very liberal community. We have a bunch of people here that aren't binary and characters that aren't.
<Kioku> It's plenty for a lot of situations.  You get a phone call saying it's Microsoft about a virus.  That's enough to judge that it's a bleeding obvious scam and hang up.  You get a knock on your door and it's pretty clearly missionaries of some kind.  You can already judge enough to tell them you're not interested - or are, who knows?  If someone says they support a petition to reduce personal liberties, you can already tell that you probably don't want
<Kioku> to associate with them.  If someone asks you to fill out a survey about driving when you don't even have a car, you can judge that it's a waste of time.  If you ask whether someone knows what RNA is and they say no, you can already decide you don't want them touching your homework.
<Charlotte_> Where is CheeseBurger FreedomMan where we really need him?
<Silvors> Honestly? I  don't have a problem with Trump. I have more of a problem with fucking Pence.
<Kioku> People judge based on single encounters or one-word responses all the time.
<Silvors> Well, I have problems with Trump, but Pence is the real motherfucker.
<DarnellJermaine> Pence is pre bad
<SavanahHolland> Pence can suck my dick
<DarnellJermaine> he'd shock himself if he did
<DarnellJermaine> heyo
<DarnellJermaine> also kioku those are pre anecdotal examples and even then lots of people would react differently to those situations as individuals
<Silvors> Pence is a good example of the antithesis of our  community
<DarnellJermaine> and they also are more specific
<Charlotte_> damn, bernie is gonna be dead by the time next election comes around
<Charlotte_> ):
<DarnellJermaine> not one of 2 candidates that half the country each sides with
<DarnellJermaine> half of america is a broad as fuck spectrum
<Silvors> ^ Why I voted third party in a nutshell
<Silvors> Anyways
<Kioku> I think less than half actually voted in the first place
<DarnellJermaine> and to say you can instantly decide there's nothing you want to know about or deal with half the country is silly
<SavanahHolland> unpopular opinion: I don't agree with a lot of bernie's stuff, but I'd be lying if I didn't say he has a lot of passion
<Kioku> But in any case
<DarnellJermaine> indeed less than half
<DarnellJermaine> nobody actually went out and voted
* Nemi backs very slowly away
<DarnellJermaine> but we need to either stop talking about politics or embrace them freely
<DarnellJermaine> I personally vote for the former
* Balthazaar has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 49.0.2/20161019084923])
* Balthazaar (chatzilla@110.140.hzm.hrl) has joined
* Balthazaar has quit (Client Quit)
<Silvors> The reason I felt it necessary to remind the chat of the no political debates, Darnell, is because I saw that conversation very quickly becoming an argument. Trump is more... divisive than Clinton. The republican party as a whole is. Complaints about trump have been on his Islamophobia and Xenophobia while complaint's on Clinton have been about how she's a sellout and corrupt as fuck. The former are more likely to be divisive
<Silvors> than the latter, since they affect others of a specific race more directly. I wanted to prevent an argument so I reminded everyone that political debates aren't allowed. If Sav took that personally as me getting on to her or threatening her, then I'll apologize to her when she asks for an apology, because that was not my intent. As for me seeing you as passive-aggressive, it's because A LOT of your messages come across that way.
<Silvors> Text can't be read with tone, so tone has to be interpreted and the tone of your messages that I interpreted at the times when I've called you out on that have seemed very passive agressive (IE: your 'talk like adults' comment).
<SavanahHolland> im fine yo
<Silvors> <3
<SavanahHolland> <3
<Charlotte_> lets fight yo, rap battle yo
* SavanahHolland busts out some rhymes
<BobaFettuccine> The man that we should really all vote for is Vermin Supreme.
<BobaFettuccine> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme
<Silvors> Wait
<Silvors> Did he run this year?
<Silvors> That was the 'our nation should run on Zombie power' guy, right?
<Kioku> Not that I heard of
<DarnellJermaine> Trump is not a xenophobe though. He want to stop illegal immigrants, not immigrants. His wife is a /legal/ immigrant even. The republican party represents about half of america's standpoint give or take, and to bundle them all up under 1 candidates specific beliefs is also pre crappy. Hillary is more than just corrupt, she opposed the LGBTQ community and many of the things trump opposes even just 10-20 years
<DarnellJermaine> ago, and flips her opinion for the votes. She silenced the voices of women who were molested or abused by Bill. They are both bad, and their scandals are equally bad and rtun deep, and both sides are also incredibly exaggerated
<BobaFettuccine> He did not.
<DarnellJermaine> also talk like adults is not aggressive, it's literally me saying let's not silence one opinion
<DarnellJermaine> and has nothing to do with my opinion on you as a person
* Charlotte_ dishes out teh /better/ rhymes onto sav
<DarnellJermaine> it's a phrase
<DarnellJermaine> "let's handle this like adults"
<BobaFettuccine> It doesn't matter whether or not he is DJ, many percieve him as such and that's why he's divisive.
<Charlotte_> Clinton lost because she didn't focus her platform on saving the bee's, and legalizing gay weed.
<Silvors> Supreme attempted another presidential run in 2016.[37] He embarked on a tour of 20 cities to build support for his campaign and sought to qualify for matching funds from the Federal Election Commission (FEC).[37][38] He filed as a candidate in the New Hampshire Democratic presidential primary on November 21, 2015,[39] and received 259 votes in the primary on February 9, 2016, coming in fourth after Martin O'Malley.[40] He was,
<Silvors> however, not invited to return to the Lesser-Known Democratic Candidates Presidential Forum, due in part to him glitterbombing Randall Terry at the event in 2011.[41] Shortly before the primary, he was observed questioning Republican candidates Chris Christie and Ted Cruz through a bullhorn.[42][43] On March 4, 2016, he switched his affiliation to the Libertarian Party.[44] He received the vote of a single delegate in the first
<Silvors> round of presidential nomination voting at the 2016 Libertarian National Convention.
<Silvors> Vermin didn't get past the primaries. Damn.
<DarnellJermaine> so because people see him a way based on how the lies and propoganda based around him, we have to assume he;'s that way or not talk about him at all?
<DarnellJermaine> Clinton has done tons of horrible shit and she divided the democrats big too
<DarnellJermaine> in fact I and a lot of people I know were bernie supporters
<DarnellJermaine> and aftger seeing all hillary's corruption and her rigging the DNC we went trump
<DarnellJermaine> talk about fracturing a party and being divisive
<BobaFettuccine> This isn't about Hillary though.
<BobaFettuccine> This is about why Silvy made the comment not to debate in a political way.
<DarnellJermaine> if we're not debating than don't talk about politics!
<DarnellJermaine> from what I heard we can talk about hillary but not donald because that's 'divisive'
<Silvors> You can talk about politics without debating.
<DarnellJermaine> so basically no talking about politics unless it's the candidate we support
<DarnellJermaine> which is silly
<BobaFettuccine> I mean, I didn't support Hillary.
<DarnellJermaine> that just ends up with people making claims about or against candidates without anyone questioning those claims
<DarnellJermaine> which is silly
<Silvors> For example, I voted Libertarian because a two-party system is stupid.
<DarnellJermaine> I said which is silly twice rip
<Charlotte_> nobody was fighting until politics  was mentioned
<Nemi> friends can we please settle down friends
<DarnellJermaine> I say no politics at all cuz as the rule stands it basically means you can only talk about politics if you're on the liberal side of the spectrum
<DarnellJermaine> otherwise you're too divisive and will cause problems or debates
<DarnellJermaine> that's dumb
<Silvors> Your skimming skills need work.
* Charlotte_ shrugs
<Silvors> Because I never said not being liberal means you're too divisive. I said talking about Trump is more likely to be divisive.
* BobaSpaghetti (BobaFettuc@81.sub-34-353-342.myvzw.com) has joined
<DarnellJermaine> So talking bad about trump is ok
<Nemi> can
<Nemi> we just not talk politics
<DarnellJermaine> but defending or talking good about him is divisive
<Nemi> please
<DarnellJermaine> That's what I'm saying nemi
<DarnellJermaine> 0 political talk
<Silvors> If you're going to try to twist words, at least don't be so blatant about it.
<DarnellJermaine> rather than only one perspective is ok
<Nemi> this has been going on long enough
<DarnellJermaine> I'm not twisting words it's what you said!
<Nemi> stop