S|J_McPherson abusing her power again

[13:35] * CIA_ ([email protected]) has joined #christiandebate
[13:35] * blue0ne sets mode: +v CIA_
[13:36] * MrPony ([email protected]) has joined #christiandebate
[13:36] * blue0ne sets mode: +v MrPony
[13:36] <+VirtualPreacher> well technically some *types* of slavery are condemned. but bond servants and prisoners of war was not condemned, kidnapping free people and selling them into slavery however was
[13:36] <+ReverendBEM> VirtualPreacher pOINT
[13:37] <+solice> ReverendBEM, what is utterly amazing is that anyone is flying in the face of all reason does not believe in God yet is aware of how very complex human and animal biochemistry is and how complex our neurology is actualy believes that all came about by the happenchance of random convergences over time.
[13:37] <+CIA_> 10 points
[13:37] <+CIA_> complexity is not proof of deity
[13:37] <+VirtualPreacher> and most of the slaves in north america at that time fit that description. not prisoners redeemed from prison to work on farms, or indentured servants under a long labor contract, but actually formerly free people who were kidnapped and forced into slavery
[13:37] <+solice> Scientists still do not understand how a cell in the body measures and titrates precisely the amount of sustance circulating in the blood that it needs at any time.  Too much taken in and great complications occur.
[13:38] <+ReverendBEM> VirtualPreacher Believe it or not, the African slave trade did save a lot of lives, as if the Dutch and others were not buying them, they would have been killed
[13:38] <+CIA_> Right, so that means god exists
[13:38] <+CIA_> Fill in the gaps
[13:38] <+solice> CIA, then you believe that human and animal biochemistry and neuology all came about the the happenchance of random convergences
over time?
[13:38] <+CIA_> Even if there were a supreme deity
[13:38] <+CIA_> Why not a group of them?
[13:38] <+ReverendBEM> I total reject the gaps concept
[13:38] <+CIA_> And if there's only one
[13:38] <+CIA_> Why not it be Isis
[13:38] <+CIA_> or Horus
[13:39] <+CIA_> or Ra
[13:39] <+CIA_> Judaism is a hodgepodge of Egyptian, Babylonian and other mythos
[13:39] <+CIA_> Within Judaism is the Messiach
[13:39] <+CIA_> Although it's a small part
[13:39] <+ReverendBEM> IMO, God was there from the beginning until now, forever active - no gaps
[13:39] <+solice> CIA, you can say anything you want to say.  It doesn't make it so, and it doesn't make it sensible.
[13:39] <+CIA_> Jesus was certainly not the only miracle worker walking around Palestine at that time
[13:40] <+CIA_> But he also fails to even fit the criteria for what the Messiah must do
[13:40] <+CIA_> bring world peace
[13:40] <+CIA_> There's no second coming in Judaism
[13:40] <+CIA_> No wonder Paul considered the 'old law' a 'curse'
[13:40] * +Puddleglum ([email protected]) Quit (Ping timeout)
[13:40] <+solice> CIA, Christians took over the Roman empire.
[13:40] <+CIA_> Because if the gentiles knew about what the Tanakh had to say about the Messiah
[13:40] <+ReverendBEM> CIA_ I see, jumping from one topic to another. boring
[13:40] <+IRCisFun> CIA_: If there were so many why did Jesus stick to this time and not them?
[13:40] <+CIA_> They wouldn't have so readily accepted his conversions
[13:41] <+CIA_> Violent force
[13:41] <+CIA_> It tends to have an effect you know
[13:41] <+solice> IRCisFun, can you clarify your question?
[13:41] <+CIA_> When an empire wishes to unite the people under an ideology in order to better control them
[13:42] <+CIA_> But anyway, going back to the roots of Judaism you can see it's a buffet style selection of mutated ideas from other cultures
[13:42] <+CIA_> See the cult of the Aten started by Amenhotep IV
[13:42] <+IRCisFun> solice: I'm just asking if there were so many miracle workers, why is it that Jesus prevailed into the age we live now and not the others.
[13:42] <+CIA_> The Sun Worshippers of Egypt's Creation Myth
[13:42] <+solice> CIA, the Romans were crucifying Christians, coating them in tar and setting them alight as they died.  Hardly an attempt to embrace and own them.
[13:42] <+CIA_> Sounds just a tad like Genesis
[13:42] <+CIA_> So never mind the semantics, why not just examine the bedrock upon which Christianity is built, Judaism
[13:43] <+CIA_> and further the bedrock upon which Judaism itself lies
[13:43] <+CIA_> For Christianity to be true, Judaism must be valid as well
[13:43] <+ReverendBEM> Its the same old song and dance, the Jews copied everyone else, no one ever copied the Jews and we are not going to get any evidence, just opinions
[13:43] <+solice> IRCisFun, ah, As Josephua--the Roman historian said--Jesus worked marvels and wonders far beyond those that any predecessor had
who claimed to be messiah.  Then there is the mater of the resurrection.
[13:43] <+IRCisFun> CIA_: So it's possible that the Romans didn't want to let a good crisis go to mistake and they figured to take Jesus and ride with it into controlling the world?
[13:43] <+CIA_> Right, and you're a Thelemite
[13:43] <+solice> CIA, Judaism is valid.
[13:44] <+ReverendBEM> CIA_ And what I am is important to your side because?
[13:44] <+CIA_> The myth of the dying god Jesus is perfectly well understood by many Roman pagans
[13:44] <+ReverendBEM> CIA_ How did I become the topic?
[13:44] <+solice> Christians are gentiles adopte dby the God of abraham, issac and jacob through their baptism in Christ.
[13:44] <+CIA_> Magic, Rev
[13:44] <+IRCisFun> solice: I get that, but I wanted know what CIA_ thoughts were.
[13:44] <+ReverendBEM> CIA_ How personal are you willing to make this?
[13:45] <+ReverendBEM> CIA_ And now you talk to me as if I were a child - magic
[13:45] <+solice> IRCisFun, what is it you think God hates about you?
[13:45] <+CIA_> ReverendBEM, you are a Thelemite and allow me to quote a line from the 3rd chapter of The Book of the Law, which as a Thelemite you must accept as a Holy Book delivered by Crowley as a prophet by Aiwass.
[13:45] <+ReverendBEM> CIA_ Good bye, you got personal and condescending and I have lost interest in your routine
[13:45] <+IRCisFun> ReverendBEM: You constantly enjoy sharing info about yourself and than when someone dares ask you something it's all of a sudden personal.
[13:46] <+CIA_> Book of the Law Chapter 3 verse 53:
[13:46] <+CIA_> With my Hawk’s head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross.
[13:46] <+ReverendBEM> IRCisFun And now you make it personal, good bye to you also
[13:46] <+solice> CIA, meaning?
[13:46] <+IRCisFun> ReverendBEM: Oh, darn.
[13:47] <+CIA_> lol
[13:47] <+ReverendBEM> [10:43] <+ReverendBEM> Its the same old song and dance, the Jews copied everyone else, no one ever copied the Jews and we are not going to get any evidence, just opinions - this is what I said, and then CIA_ got personal with me. Now, how was this talking about me?
[13:47] <+CIA_> "You're making it personal" is such a cop out.
[13:47] <+IRCisFun> solice: Where did that question come from?
[13:47] <+solice> I think some people are afraid of the world--just as some people were afraid of the Nazis and went along with them because they thought they would be safe doing that.
[13:47] <+ReverendBEM> IRCisFun You are a dense idiot
[13:47] <+CIA_> Lol.
[13:47] <+CIA_> ReverendBEM, that's a bit personal eh?
[13:47] <+CIA_> How personal are you willing to make this?
[13:47] <+ReverendBEM> personal enough?
[13:48] <+IRCisFun> ReverendBEM: You're an old pot head.
[13:48] <+CIA_> solice, the 3rd chapter of The Book of the Law (there are only 3) is supposed to be from Ra Hoor Khuit
[13:48] <+CIA_> This sort of War God of Egypt
[13:48] <+CIA_> So those are supposedly his words
[13:48] <+CIA_> Here you go
[13:48] <+CIA_> http://hermetic.com/legis/ccxx/chapter-iii.html
[13:48] <+CIA_> Modern Thelemites whitewash everything though.
[13:49] <+CIA_> Oh it really means the opposite of what it says.
[13:49] <+solice> What did that do for them?  Country in rubble, rapes by their enemies, starved (until the Christian allies they'd been killing flew food supplies in).  The ways of the world, or "under the sun" was described 3000 years ago in ecclesiates 9:11-17.  The ways of the world is a trap.  There is nothing just about it.  You play by the world's rules you get caught up in a snare. Nothing much has changed in 3000 years, except for the wisd
[13:50] <+solice> Nothing much has changed in 3000 years, except for the wisdom Jesus brought us.
[13:50] <+CIA_> The wisdom Jesus brought was from India.
[13:50] <+CIA_> I prefer to go directly to the sources
[13:50] <+solice> It is uncanny how accurately Ecclesiates 9:11-17 describes the ways of the world as it still exists today.
[13:50] <+CIA_> Vedic, Puranic, Vedantic
[13:51] <+CIA_> Right and if you read about the Kali Yuga
[13:51] <+CIA_> It's uncanny as well
[13:51] <+CIA_> The sacred is profane and the profane sacred
[13:51] <+solice> CIA, Jesus never left Israel.  Prove he did.
[13:51] <+CIA_> Here's a letter written in 1963 by a prominent Brazilian Thelemite to a Brazilian Catholic who said the Catholic church was the best place for a young boy to grow up in.
[13:51] <+CIA_> http://www.castletower.org/mason-en.html
[13:52] <+CIA_> solice, his whereabouts after birth until he began his short stint as a teacher and miracle worker
[13:52] <+solice> CIA, and read Ecclesiate 19:11-17 and tell me it's not spot on with the way the world still operates today.
[13:52] <+CIA_> his teachings are in the exact style of Indian masters and gurus
[13:52] <+solice> CIA, that's no proof.  That's a wild guess.
[13:52] <+CIA_> It's not too wild.
[13:53] <+CIA_> It's a wild guess to assume as well, just because your Bible says so, that Jesus rose from the dead.
[13:53] <+CIA_> And is seated at the right hand of the father.
[13:53] <+CIA_> It's a wild guess to assume Hell exists.
[13:53] <+VirtualPreacher> why dont you go post some "lulz" comments on you tube slip and fall vids
[13:53] <+CIA_> It's a wild guess to believe the supreme omnipotent deity of the Earth has an equally powerful rebellious angel who wants to make you listen to The Beatles.
[13:54] <+VirtualPreacher> wow you are a moron.
[13:54] <+solice> CIA, makes much more sense that because he was the eldest son, and Jospeh was fairly old when Jesus was born that Jesus took care of Mary and his half-siblings until he felt the call to be baptised and begin his ministry at age 30.
[13:54] <+VirtualPreacher> everything you are saying about the christian faith is a strawman
[13:54] <+CIA_> Prove it.
[13:54] <+GenghisKhan> solice: Given that there isn't an ecc 19.....
[13:54] <+CIA_> It's a strawman to simply accuse me of making strawmen.
[13:54] <+GenghisKhan> I would say that it is pretty easy to say it isn't "spot on"
[13:54] <+VirtualPreacher> lol!!!
[13:55] <+solice> CIA, dcientists have been able to prove that no scientist can explain how the boodied image on the Shroud of Turn got there.
[13:55] * +Wildblue ([email protected]) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[13:56] <+solice> CA, God is offering you a sound, clear mind, love, and freedom from fear, and you slap his hand away?  Why do you think he won't embrace you?
[13:56] * DharmaKharma ([email protected]) has joined #ChristianDebate
[13:56] * blue0ne sets mode: +v DharmaKharma
[13:56] <+CIA_> The shroud is nonsense, yes
[13:56] <+solice> CIA, to the contrary, scientists have been able to prove that no scientist can explain how the boodied image on the Shroud of Turn got there.
[13:57] <+ReverendBEM> VirtualPreacher I am amazed at all these educated people who seem to know nothing about archetypes.
[13:57] <+CIA_> VirtualPreacher, nevermind you bothering to even debunk anything I said.
[13:57] <+CIA_> Because you just proved part of the point I'd like to make.
[13:57] <+CIA_> You think you're a devout Christian right?
[13:57] <+CIA_> Yet you resort to calling me a moron
[13:57] * jimmyzatl ([email protected]) has joined #christiandebate
[13:57] * blue0ne sets mode: +v jimmyzatl
[13:57] <+CIA_> To insulting my intelligence
[13:57] <+CIA_> Now as a Christian
[13:57] <+ReverendBEM> VirtualPreacher and antropology, and ethnology and archeology
[13:57] <+CIA_> I might be wrong
[13:57] <+CIA_> But I think you're supposed to act as Jesus did
[13:57] <+CIA_> no?
[13:57] <+CIA_> Follow his teachings?
[13:57] <+solice> CIA, what do you think God hates you and would reject you for?
[13:57] <+CIA_> What did Jesus say on insulting others?
[13:57] <+CIA_> Anything?
[13:58] <+CIA_> How did he say to treat others?
[13:58] <+ReverendBEM> VirtualPreacher I would love to see one of the atheistic anti Christian websites they get all this garbage from.
[13:58] <+CIA_> solice God does not hate me
[13:58] <+solice> CIA, then why are you afraid of God?
[13:58] <+CIA_> What gives you the idea that I think that
[13:58] <+CIA_> I'm not afraid of 'God'
[13:58] <+CIA_> God as you call him
[13:58] <+CIA_> is one particular deity of Jewish origin
[13:58] * QRT sets mode: -b *!*ragle*@*
[13:58] * AppleGirl sets mode: +b *!*ragle*@*
[13:58] <+solice> CIA, I think you are terrified of God.
[13:58] <+CIA_> there may be many Gods
[13:58] <+CIA_> there may be none
[13:59] <+CIA_> there may be One at the top
[13:59] <+CIA_> Nobody knows
[13:59] <+ReverendBEM> Tell ya what, the day I start listening to atheists'opinions of religion is the day I call an electrician to fix my bathtub
[13:59] <+CIA_> And if there were very good proof, it wouldn't be such a hot topic
[13:59] <+CIA_> Haha
[13:59] <+CIA_> That's pretty funny
[13:59] <+CIA_> Yeah because
[13:59] <+CIA_> The best scholars on any ideology subscribe to it themselves
[13:59] <+solice> ReverendBEM, haha
[13:59] <+CIA_> Meaning if a great researcher wants to write about Hinduism he must be a Hindu
[13:59] <+CIA_> at least for a while
[13:59] <+CIA_> Let us not forget you're a Thelemite
[14:00] <+CIA_> and please do what you said and ignore me
[14:00] <+CIA_> as an ex-Thelemite at least I have insight into that
-
[14:00] CIA_ is [email protected] * CIA
[14:00] CIA_ on +#ChristianDebate #allnitecafe #teens #cafechat +#christian
[14:00] CIA_ using halcyon.il.us.dal.net valar dohaeris
[14:00] CIA_ End of /WHOIS list.
-
[14:00] <+solice> CIA, you're scared.
[14:00] <+ReverendBEM> IMO, atheists are the most narrowminded closeminded people I have ever met
[14:00] <+VirtualPreacher> [12:57] <CIA_> Yet you resort to calling me a moron<--------indeed
[14:00] <+CIA_> scared of what?
[14:00] <+CIA_> VirtualPreacher, nice.
[14:00] <+solice> CIA, that you are hated by God.
[14:00] <+CIA_> solice what is that
[14:00] <+CIA_> some kind of freudian nonsense
[14:01] <+solice> cia, it's obvious.
[14:01] <+CIA_> I have an Oedipus complex with God, yes
[14:01] <+CIA_> I'm in huge competition with him
[14:01] <+CIA_> Business is good.
[14:01] <+VirtualPreacher> [12:57] <CIA_> To insulting my intelligence<-------------------to insult your intelligence would require characteristics you lack. namely intelligence.
[14:01] <+CIA_> Oh that's funny
[14:01] <+CIA_> Because my average verbal/performance IQ score is guess what
[14:01] <+CIA_> 143
[14:01] <+CIA_> That's not a lack of intelligence at all
[14:01] <+solice> CIA, you've acknolwedged God exists, if you say you're in competition with him.  For what?
[14:01] <+CIA_> No it's a pretty high ability to learn
[14:01] <+CIA_> No I said
[14:02] <+CIA_> That I am open to the idea
[14:02] <+CIA_> But if there is only one God
[14:02] <+CIA_> I don't see why they MUST be the Abrahamic one
[14:02] <+VirtualPreacher> well thats impressive. maybe you are intelligent, but insane.
[14:02] <@Nathanael> CIA_  debate properly, stop using demeaning language and post properly
[14:02] <+CIA_> or any Abrahamic one
[14:02] <+VirtualPreacher> it can be hard to tell sometimes
[14:02] <+CIA_> Because there is a vast wealth of deities out there to choose from
[14:02] <@Nathanael> CIA_  debate properly, stop using demeaning language and post properly
[14:02] <+CIA_> Right
[14:02] <+CIA_> Tell VP not to insult my intelligence then
[14:02] <+solice> CIA, do you realize how many people with measured with even a moderately high IQ, such as yours, were totally blind to how they were being emotionally manipulated?
[14:02] <+CIA_> With you know
[14:02] <+CIA_> Demeaning language
[14:03] <+VirtualPreacher> you are flooding the channel
[14:03] <+CIA_> Like 'idiot'
[14:03] * Nathanael sets mode: -v CIA_
[14:03] * CIA_ ([email protected]) has left #christiandebate
[14:03] <@Nathanael> not any more
[14:03] <+VirtualPreacher> :P
[14:03] <+ReverendBEM> Atheism is an insult to intellgence. Out of the ten highest IQs in the world, 8 believe in God, 6 are Christians. And the man with the 234 IQ is a Christian and a Republican. 95% of Canadian MENSA are Christians. 65% of American Mensa believe in God.
[14:03] <+GenghisKhan> calling people idiots, morons, scared, insane. totes good debate tactics
[14:04] <@Nathanael> ahh... devoice and then leaves..  one of the regular trolls with a different nick
[14:04] <+ReverendBEM> Atheism in itself is an insult to intelligence.
[14:04] <+Raven`X> Oh, so we're allowed to call people morons now?
[14:04] * +IRCisFun ([email protected]) Quit (Quit: )
[14:04] <+solice> Unless a person is self-disciplined, and committed to honesty, even a high IQ does not make them insightful or aware of how they are being manipulated moetionally.
[14:04] <+GenghisKhan> ReverendBEM: That demonstrates that 'atheism is an insult to intelligence'...how?
[14:05] <@Nathanael> who called who a moron? I never saw it..
[14:05] <+Raven`X> Right.
[14:05] <+solice> I lived next door to a family who boasted about their high IQs.  They were good at math, but couldn't reason thei way out of a paper bag.
[14:05] <+ReverendBEM> Raven`X I was justified, he attacked me on a personal lever first and if you do not like that, tough crap
[14:05] * ManInBoxers ([email protected]) has joined #christiandebate
[14:05] * blue0ne sets mode: +v ManInBoxers
[14:05] <+GenghisKhan> given that mathematics is all about logical reasoning, that seems quite contradictory
[14:06] <+ReverendBEM> Nathanael Someone attacked me, I attacked back.
[14:06] <+GenghisKhan> ReverendBEM: That is called a tu quoque, and does not justify anything
[14:06] <+GenghisKhan> but, solice and vp also engaged in the insults, so you're not alone
[14:06] <+solice> If you have to tell someone you have a high or moderately high IQ then the intelligence is apparently not self-evident.  That should tell a reasonable person something.
[14:06] <+ReverendBEM> Why don't you folks tend to yourselves.
[14:06] * Puddleglum ([email protected]) has joined #christiandebate
[14:06] * blue0ne sets mode: +v Puddleglum
[14:07] <+Raven`X> I was talking about this... <+VirtualPreacher> wow you are a moron.
[14:07] <@Nathanael> ReverendBEM I can only comment and act on what I see - any comments by others on how I or another op should act are meaningless- It is not their place to point this out particularly in the main channel
[14:07] <+GenghisKhan> or VirtualPreacher	[12:57] <CIA_> To insulting my intelligence<-------------------to insult your intelligence would require characteristics you lack. namely intelligence.
[14:07] <+ReverendBEM> Raven`X sorry, right - [10:48] <+ReverendBEM> IRCisFun You are a dense idiot
[14:08] <+VirtualPreacher> yes be sure to complain that I called the persistent regular troll a moron, just as if you are in 3rd grade.
[14:08] * +MrPony ([email protected]) Quit (Ping timeout)
[14:08] <+Raven`X> But hey it's VirtualPreacher, he can break the rules because he is above them.
[14:08] <+GenghisKhan> ya
[14:08] <+ReverendBEM> Raven`X and it looks like you can also :)
[14:08] <@Nathanael>  I can only comment and act on what I see - any comments by others on how I or another op should act are meaningless- It is not their place to point this out particularly in the main channel
[14:08] <+solice> I've had VP on ignore for ages.  He's not a man of reason or self-discipline.
[14:08] <@Nathanael> SO MOVE ON
[14:09] * +ReverendBEM moves on and on and on
[14:09] <+Raven`X> Go to hell.
[14:09] <@Nathanael> solice move on
[14:09] <+solice> Nathanael, happily. :)
[14:09] <@Nathanael> Raven`X who was that directed at
[14:09] <+VirtualPreacher> oh i'm very reasonable about my lack of self discipline.
[14:09] <+Raven`X> I'm moving on, god bless
[14:09] <@S|J_McPherson> hmmmm
[14:10] <@Nathanael> VirtualPreacher move on... enough insults
[14:10] * +ManInBoxers ([email protected]) Quit (Quit: ManInBoxers)
[14:10] <+Robert_Catholic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxjw6ZsHjNU   [:)
[14:11] <+Godric> yeesh... get a burrito and i miss all these fireworks
[14:11] <@S|J_McPherson> Raven`X answer Nathanael
[14:11] <+ReverendBEM> Its okay I have some mystery seeds to gather
[14:11] <@S|J_McPherson> who was that directed to
[14:11] <+Raven`X> I was told to move on, I have moved on.
[14:11] <+Robert_Catholic> Nathanael dont allow such comments in the main channel.
[14:12] * You were kicked by S|J_McPherson (do not tell ops what to do)
[14:12] * Attempting to rejoin channel #ChristianDebate
[14:12] * Rejoined channel #ChristianDebate
[14:12] * Topic is '“Faith is reason grown courageous.” - Sherwood Eddy'
[14:12] * Set by [email protected] on Fri Nov 14 07:11:19 2014
[14:12] * blue0ne sets mode: +v Raven`X
[14:12] <+Raven`X> Okay, time to open pastebin
[14:12] <+Robert_Catholic> #ops…
[14:12] <@Nathanael> Robert_Catholic I have just come on line... there are too many trying to tell us how to run the channel.. The ops control it
[14:13] <+ReverendBEM> VirtualPreacher Well, the feds have done it again, I can no longer grt prscription pain medication
[14:13] * S|J_McPherson sets mode: -v Raven`X
[14:13] <@S|J_McPherson> do I look scared?
[14:13] <+GenghisKhan> No, you just look silly :)
[14:13] * S|J_McPherson sets mode: -v GenghisKhan
[14:13] <@S|J_McPherson> next
[14:13] <+Robert_Catholic> I know, Nathanael. Raven`X isnt guilty of that
[14:14] <+Godric> i love movie trivia
[14:14] <+Robert_Catholic> Why do you silence him, S|J_McPherson?
[14:14] * QRT sets mode: -b *!*@ec2-54-84-174-95.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[14:14] * AppleGirl sets mode: -b *!*@ec2-54-84-174-95.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[14:14] <+ReverendBEM> S|J_McPherson Pick me!
[14:15] <@Nathanael> Robert_Catholic do not query ops actions in the channel
[14:15] <+ReverendBEM> What did I just volunteer for?
[14:15] * poke ([email protected]) has joined #christiandebate
[14:15] * QRT sets mode: +b *!*@ec2-54-84-174-95.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[14:15] * poke was kicked by QRT ([ Reason: perm poke spybot nathanael ])
[14:15] <@S|J_McPherson> pick you for what ReverendBEM
[14:15] <+Robert_Catholic> Well, I thought the silence-thing was a warning for some seconds while the rule is explained in PM?
[14:15] <+Robert_Catholic> Like you and barabbas`bbl does, Nathanael?
[14:16] <+ReverendBEM> S|J_McPherson You said next, I said pick me! then I said, What did I just volunteer for?
[14:16] <+Godric> anyone see that movie Training Day?
[14:16] <+Joel> Godric: i saw a few months ago, quite a movie
[14:17] <+ReverendBEM> Godric no
[14:17] <+Godric> you know the scene when Jake (hawkes) plays cards with Latino gangsters?
[14:17] <+Godric> pretty much the most intense scene in the movie
[14:17] * Mimi13 ([email protected]) has joined #ChristianDebate
[14:17] * blue0ne sets mode: +v Mimi13
[14:17] <+Joel> yeah it was interesting
[14:17] <+Godric> well the director told the gansters to do certain things and he didnt ell Hawke
[14:18] * S|J_McPherson sets mode: +b *!*Jesus@*.bclycmtk02.res.dyn.suddenlink.net
[14:18] * You were kicked by S|J_McPherson (S|J_McPherson)
[14:18] * Attempting to rejoin channel #ChristianDebate