9gag on God

The following quote was posted by 9gag user igoritza at [url=https://9gag.com/gag/1967133]this link[/url]. I did not edit punctuation, spelling, or grammar, but did change some capitalization (as the entire post was in capital letters).

[quote]I am a true 9gager, and what I am about to say is for all of us and I [b]beg[/b] you, if you think this post is [b]TLDR[/b], or you will disagree [b]just[/b] because you are an [b]atheist[/b], leave it, dont vote it down. That would make you [b]worse[/b] than a creationist, not being willing to listen to the other side. [b]Thanks.[/b]

I am a flash designer/developer, also a member of Mensa, my mother is psychiatrist, and my father is retired proffesor of [b]physics[/b].

If you really want to use science to argue about God's existence, you [b]must[/b] know the following:

1) Proving that evolution is real, and proving that DNA system evolved from the single primordial RNA does not disprove God. And has nothing to do with it. The topic is way above that single branch of science.

2) The one and only question that would give us the answer of God, is the purpose of the universe, and the first cause. Currently, any true scientist will tell you that we have no slightest idea about that. Others, like Hawking will tell you scary stories, even through he himself doesnt understand more than 5% of quantum mechanics, as none of us really do.

3) Current science has several huge problems, when trying to explain the universe via randomness, as an atheist would like. Those problems are:

1. Big Bang Entropy - It seems that some [b]unindentified[/b] force was responsible in the event of baryogenesis (matter forming) in the early Big Bang, cause no current model justified the fact that matter is not compressed into it's highest entropy state- black hole. Something [b]huge[/b] opposed the gravity

2. Cosmological constant - It appears as if some other mysterious force is pushing universe into expansion. It's not just than we cant measure it, it's the fact that we dont even see it, nor any of the current particle models have that force in any equation. And here's a fun fact-
If it exists - [b]no quantum model is valid[/b]
If it does not exist - [b]universe is paradox[/b]

3. Universe is not in anyway random. The fact that Periodic Table exists, already beats any kind of randomness, cause 4 fundamental forces are perfectly aligned so that matter would even [b]exist[/b]. That is called - cosmological argument - the fine tuning of universe. You all must understand that in any system with random ranged for force values, probability of our universe being random and like this, is like getting hit with [b]1 million lightnings[/b] on a sunny day.

4. The only argument against fine tuning is multiverse. And multiverse theory has, by all modern scientific standards, extremely flawed concepts. It just doesnt add up to anything. It defies several crucial principles of science and philosophy. All of 4 multiverse theories are literally "grabbing for a straw" against the argument that something intelligent made us.

Please, dont be one-sided, thinking that you must be right about there being no God. I read science and philosophy magazines on daily basis, a lot smarter people than me are [b]doubting[/b], because of insufficient knowledge, being atheist just for the kicks of it is extremely [b]wrong[/b].

Media is proposing only one side, the one that advertises atheism, and dont let yourself be a victim of media. Im not on creationist nor atheist side, Im also doubting, but the last tauhgt is always the fact that I am here, I exist.[/quote]

This seems somewhat reasonable; repairable, at least. Then again, igoritza [url=https://9gag.com/gag/3746224]also says[/url] that Stephen Hawking is an ass for saying philosophy is dead, not contributing anything except Hawking radiation (which "is not that important, and is still and theory, and it very well may be wrong"), and talking like Microsoft Sam. Then again, he or she [url=https://9gag.com/gag/2978329]also[/url] taught math to 9gag, which assuredly counts for something.

So, let's tackle this bit by bit.

[quote][blah blah credentials] Proving that evolution is real, and proving that DNA system evolved from the single primordial RNA does not disprove God. And has nothing to do with it. The topic is way above that single branch of science.[/quote]Bingo! The existence of evolution would actually [i]support[/i] the anthropic arguement for God.

[quote]The one and only question that would give us the answer of God, is the purpose of the universe, and the first cause. Currently, any true scientist will tell you that we have no slightest idea about that. Others, like Hawking will tell you scary stories, even through he himself doesnt understand more than 5% of quantum mechanics, as none of us really do.[/quote]Meh. There are a lot of other questions: [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_Infinite]mathematical[/url] and [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_ontological_proof]logical[/url] models, for example. Also, Hawking is not that bad. The Big Bang (which is also discussed later) is a model of how the universe reacted when it was created, not how it was created in the first place. Although Hawking talks theology, it surmounts to not-much.

[quote]It seems that some [b]unindentified[/b] force was responsible in the event of baryogenesis (matter forming) in the early Big Bang, cause no current model justified the fact that matter is not compressed into it's highest entropy state- black hole. Something [b]huge[/b] opposed the gravity[/quote]Mmm, okay. I'll give you that. The universe is not just a gigantic black hole. However, if the exploding force of the actual Big Bang is taken into account, this could be explained. Of course, as mentioned earlier, the cause of the Big Bang itself is of dispute.

[quote]It appears as if some other mysterious force is pushing universe into expansion. It's not just than we cant measure it, it's the fact that we dont even see it, nor any of the current particle models have that force in any equation.[/quote]Ahh, the dark energy problem. That can be resolved by Barbour's timeless physics; it's not really an issue or topic in the discussion of God.

[quote]Universe is not in anyway random. The fact that Periodic Table exists, already beats any kind of randomness, cause 4 fundamental forces are perfectly aligned so that matter would even [b]exist[/b]. That is called - cosmological argument - the fine tuning of universe. You all must understand that in any system with random ranged for force values, probability of our universe being random and like this, is like getting hit with [b]1 million lightnings[/b] on a sunny day.[/quote]Well, I don't know about that probability, but that's correct: the universe is fine-tuned in seemingly perfect ways. This is another aspect of the anthropic argument. Constants like alpha, the fine-structure constant, are tuned in such a way