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- Bicentennial hats here!
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- Bicentennial hats.
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- Excuse me, do you feel patriotic?
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- Patriotic is-- is not the real feeling
- that I have right now.
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- People like bicentennial hats,
- I sell 'em bicentennial hats.
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- Uh-huh.
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- Ladies and gentlemen,
- of this beautiful day
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- and this bicentennial day, right here,
- downtown in New York City,
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- ladies and gentlemen.
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- Joseph Hurdley Jr.,
- songwriter of New York City.
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- Otherwise, Uncle Sam is going to sing
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- one of his versions
- of "The Star-Spangled Banner."
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- Ladies and gentlemen,
- "The Star-Spangled Banner" with new music.
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- Words by Francis Scott Key
- and music by Joseph Hurdley Jr.,
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- dedicated to the future of America,
- God save the republic.
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- Are you ready, maestro?
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- No maestros? I'll sing it myself.
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- ♪ O say, can you see
- By the dawn's early light ♪
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- It's one dollar.
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- Get your copies here.
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- -I've got four versions of...
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- ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪
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- ♪ Play a song for me ♪
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- ♪ I'm not sleepy
- And there is no place I'm going to ♪
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- ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪
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- ♪ Play a song for me ♪
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- ♪ In the jingle jangle morning ♪
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- ♪ I'll come followin' you ♪
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- ♪ Though I know that evenin's empire ♪
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- ♪ Has returned into sand... ♪
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- We're gathered
- in this historic house
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- for the celebration
- of the 200th anniversary
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- of the United States,
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- but I refer to the words that were spoken
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- by those who at the time
- of the Declaration of Independence
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- thought of the mission of America,
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- what America could mean to the world.
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- And one of them said
- that we act not just for ourselves,
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- but for all mankind.
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- ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪
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- ♪ Play a song for me... ♪
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- Saigon had fallen.
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- People had seemed to, uh,
- lost their sense of,
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- uh, conviction for...
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- for just about anything.
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- ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man... ♪
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- Lot of arguments about why...
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- America was chased out of Vietnam...
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- in such a humiliating way.
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- Two people tried to shoot the president
- in one month.
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- ♪ Take me on a trip
- Upon your magic... ♪
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- Let us set for our goal in 1976
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- to move forward in the realm
- of the American spirit.
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- ♪ My hands can't feel to grip ♪
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- That the opportunity that everybody
- in this room has had...
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- is something that is a realizable dream
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- that can be achieved
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- for anyone who has the good fortune
- to be born in this country,
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- or anyone who has the good fortune
- to come to this country.
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- ♪ Ready for to fade
- Into my own parade... ♪
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- The idea was to put a tour up,
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- combination of different acts
- on the same stage
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- for a variety of, uh, musical styles.
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- I wouldn't say it was a, uh,
- traditional revue,
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- but it was in the, uh, traditional...
- um...
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- form of, uh, of a revue.
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- That's all clumsy bullshit.
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- - Okay.
- -Y'know.
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- - So what--
- -I'm trying to get to the...
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- To the core thing.
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- To the core of what
- this Rolling Thunder thing is all about,
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- and I don't have a clue,
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- because it's not... It's about nothing.
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- It's a-- It's just something that happened
- 40 years ago.
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- And that's the truth of it.
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- -Why don't we go down that road?
- -Okay, we can.
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- -Let's go.
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- All right, let's go.
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- I don't remember a thing
- about Rolling Thunder.
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- - Okay.
- -I mean, it-- it happened
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- so long ago, I wasn't even born, you know?
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- -Uh, I... So, what do you wanna know?
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- ♪ And take me disappearing ♪
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- ♪ Through the smoke rings of my mind ♪
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- ♪ Down the foggy ruins of time ♪
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- ♪ Far past the frozen leaves ♪
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- ♪ The haunted, frightened trees ♪
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- ♪ Out to the windy beach ♪
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- ♪ Far from the twisted reach
- Of crazy sorrow ♪
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- ♪ Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky ♪
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- ♪ With one hand waving free ♪
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- ♪ Silhouetted by the sea ♪
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- ♪ Circled by the circus sands ♪
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- ♪ With all memory and fate ♪
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- ♪ Driven deep beneath the waves ♪
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- ♪ Let me forget about today
- Until tomorrow ♪
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- ♪ Hey! Mr. Tambourine Man ♪
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- ♪ Play a song for me ♪
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- ♪ I'm not sleepy... ♪
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- Is that Bob Dylan?
- That is Bob Dylan!
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- Life isn't about finding yourself...
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- or finding anything.
- Life is about creating yourself.
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- - Playing tonight?
- - And creating things.
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- And I want to introduce
- another fine...
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- entertainer here at Folk City,
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- so everybody...
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- Summer, 1975.
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- It was a very odd scene in New York.
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- Unusual. Sort of.
- The folk era had died out. Or did it?
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- - Joan Baez
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- and her friend Bob Dylan!
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- Let's have a nice hand for Joan Baez...
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- Rumor came around
- that the inspired Dylan was back,
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- gathering all-- all his forces.
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- ♪ When ev'rything that I'm sayin' ♪
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- ♪ You can say it just as good ♪
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- Woo!
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- And pretty soon,
- they were all jamming together
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- as if they were young musicians
- having fun,
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- actually in direct contact
- with each other.
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- ♪ And all the hills echoèd ♪
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- ♪ And all the hills echoèd ♪
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- ♪ My name is Juanano de Castro ♪
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- Lord...
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- ♪ My father was a Spanish grandee ♪
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- Excuse me, please!
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- We're really running short of time.
- I wanna introduce...
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- Miss Patti Smith and Eric Anderson.
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- Let's have a nice hand.
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- -Let's hear it! Get up here!
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- There was a...
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- There was an archer...
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- There was an archer who was in love
- with his sister.
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- So, the archer looked at his sister
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- and he said,
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- "All the madness
- between me and you is real private."
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- But the sister was too scared,
- so the sister...
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- the sister put down her cigarette
- and she married the sultan.
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- So the archer became a... the archer
- for the king.
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- So, it was the wedding night,
- and the sultan and the sister
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- were gonna get married.
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- And so...
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- the archer went out the door,
- and he had on his armor,
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- and he was going. There was all, like...
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- You know how like the gran-- ground was
- in 16th-century Japan?
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- It was black and green like a chessboard.
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- So the archer was walking
- on the black part of the chessboard,
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- and he looked
- at the black part of the chessboard,
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- and it looked
- like the back of his sister's hair.
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- -And so...
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- You know how it is.
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- - Yeah.
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- Anyway, it looked... Oh, what a mess.
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- Looked like the back of his sister's hair,
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- and so he couldn't advance
- and be the king's archer no more,
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- because he looked over at the palace,
- and over at the palace,
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- he saw his sister undressing
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- for the sultan.
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- So the prince took off a--
- took off all his armor,
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- and he started walking toward the palace.
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- He started walking in another direction,
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- started walking in another dimension,
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- started walking in another dimension.
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- He moved in another dimension.
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- ♪ I move in another dimension ♪
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- -♪ I move in another dimension ♪
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- -♪ I move in another dimension ♪
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- ♪ I move in another dimension ♪
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- -♪ And he kept on walking ♪
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- ♪ And he walked real slow ♪
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- ♪ Here is the first archer ♪
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- ♪ In rock 'n' roll ♪
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- ♪ He walked toward the palace ♪
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- ♪ Toward the palace of answers ♪
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- ♪ He took big steps ♪
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- ♪ He took big steps ♪
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- 00:10:02,518 --> 00:10:04,812
- ♪ He walked seven ways ♪
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- 00:10:06,230 --> 00:10:08,649
- ♪ He walked seven ways ♪
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- 00:10:08,983 --> 00:10:10,484
- ♪ He freed the elements ♪
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- 00:10:10,568 --> 00:10:14,030
- ♪ The hurricane just burst
- From his hands ♪
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- 00:10:17,283 --> 00:10:19,577
- ♪ You are my sunshine ♪
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- -♪ My only sunshine ♪
- -Let's go!
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- 00:10:22,496 --> 00:10:25,333
- ♪ You make me happy ♪
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- 00:10:25,416 --> 00:10:27,835
- -♪ When skies are gray ♪
- - Whoopee!
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- ♪ You'll never know, dear
- How much I... ♪
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- October, November, uh...
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- Dylan might have some idea
- to do something.
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- Sort of like a... con man,
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- carny medicine show of old,
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- where you just get in a bus
- and go from town--
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- or a carriage, and go from town to town.
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- It's like Dylan is taking us out to try
- and give us each... He's presenting us.
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- I mean, that's his conception.
- I mean, it hasn't been made overt.
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- His idea is, uh...
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- to show how beautiful he is...
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- ...by showing how beautiful we are...
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- 00:11:00,242 --> 00:11:01,827
- by showing how beautiful...
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- the ensemble is.
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- 00:11:05,164 --> 00:11:07,583
- So, it's to show the actual community.
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- Which is way-- the way-- the way life is,
- the way that life of poets is.
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- 00:11:11,629 --> 00:11:13,798
- -♪ I live in an apartment ♪
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- 00:11:13,881 --> 00:11:15,675
- ♪ Sink leaks through the walls ♪
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- 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,677
- ♪ Lower East Side full of bedbugs ♪
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- 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,637
- ♪ Junkies in the halls ♪
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- 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,597
- ♪ House been broken into ♪
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- 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:23,641
- ♪ Tibetan thangkas stole ♪
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- 00:11:23,724 --> 00:11:25,559
- ♪ Speed freaks took my statues ♪
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- 00:11:25,643 --> 00:11:27,478
- ♪ And made my love a fool ♪
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- 00:11:27,561 --> 00:11:29,522
- -♪ Speed freaks took my statues ♪
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- 00:11:29,605 --> 00:11:32,733
- ♪ And made my love a fool ♪
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- 00:11:35,111 --> 00:11:37,238
- -Do you wanna hear more or...?
- - Yeah.
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- 00:11:37,321 --> 00:11:38,864
- I got this big audition.
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- 00:11:39,448 --> 00:11:42,576
- There was this party
- at Allen Ginsberg's apartment.
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- 00:11:42,660 --> 00:11:44,370
- And that's where you met Dylan?
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- Uh, yes.
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- - What did you think of him?
- -Uh, Dylan was fine.
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- There were all these crazy people,
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- all getting high and coming up to him
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- and spinning faster and faster,
- and Bob didn't react.
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- I think he just, uh,
- watched the whole thing.
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- I think he liked the chaos.
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- 00:12:01,554 --> 00:12:05,516
- ♪ I am a rake and a rambling boy ♪
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- 00:12:06,517 --> 00:12:10,938
- -♪ There's many a city I did enjoy ♪
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- 00:12:11,021 --> 00:12:16,402
- - Woo!
- -♪ But now I married me a better wife ♪
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- 00:12:17,069 --> 00:12:21,198
- ♪ And I love her dearer
- Than I love my life ♪
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- 00:12:27,455 --> 00:12:30,082
- My idea was
- to have a kind of a jug band,
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- uh, for the whole show,
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- something, uh, along the lines
- of maybe, uh, Kweskin Jug Band...
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- 00:12:38,674 --> 00:12:39,592
- but that didn't happen.
- 230
- 00:12:42,219 --> 00:12:45,556
- They were in the middle
- of the rehearsals at SIR Studio,
- 231
- 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:50,060
- and I talked to Levy, and he asked Dylan
- if it was all right for me to shoot
- 232
- 00:12:50,144 --> 00:12:51,604
- B-roll of the rehearsal.
- 233
- 00:12:52,062 --> 00:12:55,733
- Dylan was all right with it,
- but Levy told me there was no budget.
- 234
- 00:12:55,816 --> 00:12:58,611
- Because I thought that this was really
- going to go somewhere,
- 235
- 00:12:58,694 --> 00:13:00,112
- I took all the money that I had,
- 236
- 00:13:00,196 --> 00:13:02,740
- and I paid for everything
- out of my own pocket.
- 237
- 00:13:05,034 --> 00:13:07,661
- - Did Bob like you?
- - I don't know, who knows?
- 238
- 00:13:07,745 --> 00:13:09,622
- He was--
- It was like looking into a mirror.
- 239
- 00:13:09,705 --> 00:13:11,499
- You either saw what you wanted to see,
- 240
- 00:13:11,582 --> 00:13:13,083
- or you hated what you saw.
- 241
- 00:13:13,584 --> 00:13:16,337
- I can tell you this,
- back then I used to smoke,
- 242
- 00:13:16,420 --> 00:13:18,214
- and I held my cigarette like this,
- 243
- 00:13:18,297 --> 00:13:19,924
- you know, the European style.
- 244
- 00:13:20,216 --> 00:13:23,928
- After that night at Ginsberg's,
- Bob started holding it like that, too.
- 245
- 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:25,262
- That was me.
- 246
- 00:13:25,346 --> 00:13:27,306
- ♪ Rita May, Rita May ♪
- 247
- 00:13:28,891 --> 00:13:30,893
- ♪ How did you ever get that way? ♪
- 248
- 00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:34,688
- ♪ When'd you ever see the light? ♪
- 249
- 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,526
- ♪ Don't you ever feel afraid? ♪
- 250
- 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:42,905
- ♪ You got me burning and a-turning ♪
- 251
- 00:13:42,988 --> 00:13:44,740
- ♪ But I know I must be learning ♪
- 252
- 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:45,741
- ♪ Rita May ♪
- 253
- 00:13:49,328 --> 00:13:52,665
- ♪ And I don't sense affection ♪
- 254
- 00:13:52,748 --> 00:13:55,251
- ♪ No gratitude or love ♪
- 255
- 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,588
- ♪ Your loyalty is not to me ♪
- 256
- 00:13:59,672 --> 00:14:02,508
- -♪ But to the stars above ♪
- - Yeah!
- 257
- 00:14:03,551 --> 00:14:08,097
- ♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪
- 258
- 00:14:10,891 --> 00:14:15,271
- ♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪
- 259
- 00:14:16,772 --> 00:14:19,191
- ♪ To the valley below ♪
- 260
- 00:14:21,902 --> 00:14:25,197
- I was going
- to a jazz musician friend of mine house
- 261
- 00:14:25,281 --> 00:14:26,615
- in the Lower East Side,
- 262
- 00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:31,829
- and I was just about to cross the street,
- and a car cut me off.
- 263
- 00:14:33,122 --> 00:14:34,039
- It was Bob.
- 264
- 00:14:34,456 --> 00:14:35,541
- It was Dylan.
- 265
- 00:14:37,126 --> 00:14:38,043
- And...
- 266
- 00:14:39,461 --> 00:14:40,838
- It was never verbalized.
- 267
- 00:14:40,963 --> 00:14:43,257
- I knew who he was, or he knew I knew.
- 268
- 00:14:43,424 --> 00:14:45,676
- Just sort of passed, you know.
- 269
- 00:14:47,052 --> 00:14:50,431
- We just played music all day
- and all night.
- 270
- 00:14:50,598 --> 00:14:54,393
- We went to The Bottom Line
- and played with Muddy Waters,
- 271
- 00:14:54,810 --> 00:14:58,022
- and we went that night
- to Victoria Spivey's house.
- 272
- 00:14:58,606 --> 00:15:00,357
- She's an old blues singer.
- 273
- 00:15:01,066 --> 00:15:01,901
- And, um...
- 274
- 00:15:02,234 --> 00:15:06,405
- we played music
- till about six in the morning.
- 275
- 00:15:06,488 --> 00:15:07,740
- It was really great.
- 276
- 00:15:07,865 --> 00:15:10,034
- - She wears a turtle...
- 277
- 00:15:10,117 --> 00:15:13,245
- -♪ She wears a turtleneck sweater ♪
- 278
- 00:15:13,329 --> 00:15:15,122
- ♪ And a nylon shoe ♪
- 279
- 00:15:17,917 --> 00:15:20,377
- ♪ She wears a turtleneck sweater ♪
- 280
- 00:15:21,086 --> 00:15:23,505
- ♪ And a nylon shoe ♪
- 281
- 00:15:26,175 --> 00:15:28,302
- ♪ There's nothing she won't say ♪
- 282
- 00:15:28,385 --> 00:15:30,888
- ♪ And there's nothing that she won't do ♪
- 283
- 00:15:35,017 --> 00:15:39,021
- There are 52 people.
- If each person asks him is he okay,
- 284
- 00:15:39,730 --> 00:15:42,983
- it becomes a long, hard
- question and answer period for him.
- 285
- 00:15:43,150 --> 00:15:44,902
- Is the light bothering him?
- 286
- 00:15:45,194 --> 00:15:46,487
- Is the guitar right?
- 287
- 00:15:46,737 --> 00:15:48,072
- Does he like the lighting?
- 288
- 00:15:48,155 --> 00:15:49,657
- Is the sound monitor okay?
- 289
- 00:15:49,907 --> 00:15:53,077
- He's a big man,
- and he knows what he wants.
- 290
- 00:15:53,327 --> 00:15:55,371
- ♪ No llores, mi querida ♪
- 291
- 00:15:56,121 --> 00:15:57,998
- ♪ Dios nos vigila ♪
- 292
- 00:15:58,707 --> 00:16:03,087
- ♪ Soon the horse will take us to Durango ♪
- 293
- 00:16:04,254 --> 00:16:05,881
- Five ten.
- 294
- 00:16:06,632 --> 00:16:07,967
- - Five ten?
- - Yeah.
- 295
- 00:16:09,259 --> 00:16:10,219
- So what does he do?
- 296
- 00:16:10,803 --> 00:16:12,972
- He's a director.
- 297
- 00:16:13,347 --> 00:16:14,181
- Theater.
- 298
- 00:16:14,264 --> 00:16:15,140
- Theater?
- 299
- 00:16:16,308 --> 00:16:17,476
- But that's not...
- 300
- 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:20,396
- That's why I'm saying it's tricky
- because it's not marriage, is it?
- 301
- 00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:21,939
- I mean, unless you actually make it--
- 302
- 00:16:22,022 --> 00:16:24,274
- Well, I mean,
- maybe marriage to the theater.
- 303
- 00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:26,860
- But when you said marriage,
- 304
- 00:16:26,944 --> 00:16:29,780
- I assumed you-- you meant marriage
- between two people.
- 305
- 00:16:30,531 --> 00:16:31,365
- -Yeah.
- -Did you?
- 306
- 00:16:31,448 --> 00:16:32,825
- Well, no, mental marriage.
- 307
- 00:16:33,242 --> 00:16:34,952
- -Mental marriage?
- -Yeah.
- 308
- 00:16:35,411 --> 00:16:37,955
- Ah, well, that's interesting.
- 309
- 00:16:41,417 --> 00:16:43,919
- ♪ Some speak of the future ♪
- 310
- 00:16:45,379 --> 00:16:47,798
- ♪ My love, she speaks softly ♪
- 311
- 00:16:48,507 --> 00:16:51,844
- ♪ 'Cause there's no success like failure ♪
- 312
- 00:16:52,302 --> 00:16:55,556
- ♪ And failure's no success at all ♪
- 313
- 00:16:57,558 --> 00:16:58,600
- Hey!
- 314
- 00:16:59,101 --> 00:17:01,770
- I'm doing a-- a thing on a tour
- for Rolling Stone magazine.
- 315
- 00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:02,938
- - Yes.
- - Okay?
- 316
- 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:05,107
- And-- And basically, I saw Bob leave,
- 317
- 00:17:05,566 --> 00:17:09,945
- uh, after that... uh, um, the dialogue
- you did with him, the marriage thing.
- 318
- 00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:10,904
- Yes.
- 319
- 00:17:10,988 --> 00:17:14,616
- And he said to one of the cameramen,
- "That is hot. That was a hot scene."
- 320
- 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,452
- -Okay.
- -Oh, I'm really flattered. I'm touched.
- 321
- 00:17:16,535 --> 00:17:18,871
- Okay, now, look,
- I-- I-- I just wanna know,
- 322
- 00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:21,123
- how did-- how did it happen?
- I mean, was it set up?
- 323
- 00:17:21,206 --> 00:17:22,916
- -It happened-- No.
- -Was it a set up scene?
- 324
- 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,376
- It was totally spontaneous.
- 325
- 00:17:24,752 --> 00:17:26,545
- I was on my way to the bathroom...
- 326
- 00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:27,588
- Yeah.
- 327
- 00:17:27,671 --> 00:17:31,759
- ...when, uh, on my way, uh,
- Mel Howard introduced me to Bob Dylan.
- 328
- 00:17:31,925 --> 00:17:34,053
- What-- What did you say?
- And what was your point--
- 329
- 00:17:34,136 --> 00:17:36,013
- -What did I say to--
- -In the conversation to Bob?
- 330
- 00:17:36,096 --> 00:17:38,474
- Well, it was a sort of free...
- 331
- 00:17:39,933 --> 00:17:41,977
- -uh, going from one thing to another.
- -Freewheeling?
- 332
- 00:17:42,061 --> 00:17:43,103
- -Freewheeling.
- -It wasn't--
- 333
- 00:17:43,187 --> 00:17:45,856
- It wasn't meant to be specifically--
- specifically that.
- 334
- 00:17:45,939 --> 00:17:47,649
- Yeah, but you started talking
- about marriage.
- 335
- 00:17:47,733 --> 00:17:48,901
- Out of the blue,
- 336
- 00:17:48,984 --> 00:17:51,445
- -the subject of marriage came up.
- -But what did you say?
- 337
- 00:17:51,528 --> 00:17:55,115
- ♪ Come gather 'round, fellers ♪
- 338
- 00:17:55,324 --> 00:18:00,537
- ♪ So young and so fine ♪
- 339
- 00:18:01,455 --> 00:18:04,666
- ♪ And seek not your fortune ♪
- 340
- 00:18:05,501 --> 00:18:09,171
- ♪ Down in the mine ♪
- 341
- 00:18:10,422 --> 00:18:12,257
- ♪ It will form... ♪
- 342
- 00:18:12,424 --> 00:18:16,053
- Was the idea to make
- a behind-the-scenes film of the tour?
- 343
- 00:18:16,136 --> 00:18:18,097
- I think that's
- what they were expecting.
- 344
- 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:20,891
- They just thought that
- I was going to make it a concert film,
- 345
- 00:18:20,974 --> 00:18:23,352
- but I was trying to make something
- really serious out of this.
- 346
- 00:18:23,936 --> 00:18:27,189
- First, what I wanted to show was
- musicians working together,
- 347
- 00:18:27,272 --> 00:18:28,524
- making music together.
- 348
- 00:18:28,732 --> 00:18:30,234
- That was them doing their job.
- 349
- 00:18:30,567 --> 00:18:31,777
- That was, you know,
- 350
- 00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:34,988
- that was as if I went to film my father
- in his shoe store.
- 351
- 00:18:35,489 --> 00:18:36,448
- Focus in on that.
- 352
- 00:18:37,616 --> 00:18:38,867
- What is that, Patti?
- 353
- 00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:41,203
- I seen th-- this Rimbaud book,
- 354
- 00:18:41,453 --> 00:18:43,163
- and I saw this picture.
- 355
- 00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:45,916
- I saw this vogue picture,
- and I thought it looked like you,
- 356
- 00:18:45,999 --> 00:18:48,001
- -and I thought he was a neat guy, y'know?
- -Yeah?
- 357
- 00:18:48,085 --> 00:18:51,797
- And I thought you were neat, so I used to,
- like, pretend he was my boyfriend.
- 358
- 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,341
- Or if-- Or if you were.
- You know, it doesn't matter, right?
- 359
- 00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:55,259
- So anyway...
- 360
- 00:18:55,342 --> 00:18:56,426
- What did you say?
- 361
- 00:18:56,510 --> 00:18:57,761
- -What did I say?
- -Yeah.
- 362
- 00:18:57,970 --> 00:19:00,681
- I gave my thoughts on...
- 363
- 00:19:00,764 --> 00:19:03,267
- He spoke about mental marriage.
- 364
- 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:04,977
- -When he asked me--
- -Mental marriage?
- 365
- 00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:06,979
- Uh, Superman takes a piece of coal,
- 366
- 00:19:07,062 --> 00:19:09,648
- and he puts it in his hand,
- and he starts squeezing it,
- 367
- 00:19:09,731 --> 00:19:11,942
- and squeezing it, and squeezing it,
- and squeezing it,
- 368
- 00:19:12,025 --> 00:19:13,402
- and then it becomes like a diamond.
- 369
- 00:19:13,485 --> 00:19:14,444
- -It's real hard.
- -Yeah.
- 370
- 00:19:14,528 --> 00:19:16,280
- And then, like, he drops it
- on the ground,
- 371
- 00:19:16,363 --> 00:19:17,614
- -on the baseball diamond.
- -Yeah.
- 372
- 00:19:17,698 --> 00:19:20,200
- And the kids, the kids keep kicking it,
- the kids keep kicking it.
- 373
- 00:19:20,284 --> 00:19:21,785
- -Yeah.
- -Then it goes round and round.
- 374
- 00:19:21,869 --> 00:19:23,871
- And after years and years
- of kids kicking it around,
- 375
- 00:19:23,954 --> 00:19:26,456
- it gets smooth, but it's not...
- It's just changed.
- 376
- 00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:29,418
- It's still the same crystal,
- but it's smooth, so it's a crystal ball.
- 377
- 00:19:29,501 --> 00:19:30,919
- So it's sitting there in the middle,
- 378
- 00:19:31,003 --> 00:19:33,755
- the crystal ball is sitting there
- in the middle of the baseball diamond.
- 379
- 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:35,257
- -Right.
- -Okay? Now you can look in.
- 380
- 00:19:39,469 --> 00:19:41,889
- I hated the ristelaars...
- 381
- 00:19:42,097 --> 00:19:44,141
- the, you know, the-- the facilitators.
- 382
- 00:19:44,224 --> 00:19:46,518
- You know,
- the-- the people hanging around him.
- 383
- 00:19:46,727 --> 00:19:49,021
- People pretending that they had access,
- 384
- 00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:50,772
- so that they could behave badly.
- 385
- 00:19:51,064 --> 00:19:52,649
- This film was going to show
- 386
- 00:19:52,733 --> 00:19:56,236
- the counterpoint
- between the... the excesses of the people
- 387
- 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,031
- on the tour
- and the dissolution of society.
- 388
- 00:19:59,281 --> 00:20:01,450
- - Come on, everybody.
- - Allen!
- 389
- 00:20:01,533 --> 00:20:03,911
- I wanted to show
- the land of Pet Rocks
- 390
- 00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:06,371
- and Super Slurpees from 7-Eleven.
- 391
- 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:08,415
- L'Amérique insolite.
- 392
- 00:20:09,499 --> 00:20:12,836
- I would go on the road
- with the Rolling Thunder Revue.
- 393
- 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,379
- -Right here.
- 394
- 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:17,341
- - See you Thursday.
- 395
- 00:20:19,301 --> 00:20:22,804
- This is a true story.
- Actually, they're all true.
- 396
- 00:20:23,639 --> 00:20:26,350
- Boy. Sure hope we get to Boston on time.
- 397
- 00:20:43,825 --> 00:20:45,327
- ♪ I married Isis ♪
- 398
- 00:20:45,577 --> 00:20:47,079
- ♪ On the fifth day of May ♪
- 399
- 00:20:47,663 --> 00:20:49,498
- ♪ But I could not hold on ♪
- 400
- 00:20:49,957 --> 00:20:51,250
- ♪ To her very long ♪
- 401
- 00:20:51,792 --> 00:20:53,335
- ♪ So I cut off my hair ♪
- 402
- 00:20:53,835 --> 00:20:55,462
- ♪ And I rode straight away ♪
- 403
- 00:20:55,921 --> 00:20:57,756
- ♪ For the wild, unknown country ♪
- 404
- 00:20:57,839 --> 00:20:59,591
- ♪ Where I could not go wrong ♪
- 405
- 00:21:00,175 --> 00:21:01,969
- ♪ I came to a high place ♪
- 406
- 00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:03,804
- ♪ Of darkness and light ♪
- 407
- 00:21:04,137 --> 00:21:06,098
- ♪ The dividing line ran ♪
- 408
- 00:21:06,181 --> 00:21:07,808
- ♪ Through the center of town ♪
- 409
- 00:21:08,308 --> 00:21:10,102
- ♪ I hitched up my pony ♪
- 410
- 00:21:10,185 --> 00:21:12,145
- ♪ To a post on the right ♪
- 411
- 00:21:12,396 --> 00:21:14,064
- ♪ Went into a laundry ♪
- 412
- 00:21:14,147 --> 00:21:16,149
- ♪ To wash my clothes down ♪
- 413
- 00:21:16,525 --> 00:21:18,193
- ♪ A man in the corner ♪
- 414
- 00:21:18,610 --> 00:21:20,195
- ♪ Approached me for a match ♪
- 415
- 00:21:20,654 --> 00:21:22,322
- ♪ I knew right away ♪
- 416
- 00:21:22,406 --> 00:21:24,116
- ♪ He was not ordinary ♪
- 417
- 00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:26,118
- ♪ He said, "Are you looking ♪
- 418
- 00:21:26,410 --> 00:21:28,495
- ♪ For something easy to catch?" ♪
- 419
- 00:21:28,578 --> 00:21:30,122
- ♪ I said, "I got no money, man" ♪
- 420
- 00:21:30,205 --> 00:21:32,624
- ♪ He said, "That ain't necessary" ♪
- 421
- 00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:50,934
- ♪ We set out that night ♪
- 422
- 00:21:51,101 --> 00:21:52,853
- ♪ For the cold in the north ♪
- 423
- 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:55,105
- ♪ I gave him my blanket ♪
- 424
- 00:21:55,188 --> 00:21:56,732
- ♪ And he gave me his word ♪
- 425
- 00:21:57,357 --> 00:21:58,984
- ♪ I said, "Where we goin'?" ♪
- 426
- 00:21:59,067 --> 00:22:01,028
- ♪ He said, "We be back by the fourth" ♪
- 427
- 00:22:01,403 --> 00:22:03,196
- ♪ I said, "That's the best news ♪
- 428
- 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,198
- ♪ That I've ever heard" ♪
- 429
- 00:22:05,282 --> 00:22:07,200
- ♪ I was thinkin' about turquoise ♪
- 430
- 00:22:07,284 --> 00:22:09,244
- ♪ I was thinkin' about gold ♪
- 431
- 00:22:09,328 --> 00:22:11,163
- ♪ I was thinkin' about diamonds ♪
- 432
- 00:22:11,246 --> 00:22:13,373
- ♪ And the world's biggest necklace ♪
- 433
- 00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:15,459
- ♪ As we rode through the canyons ♪
- 434
- 00:22:15,542 --> 00:22:17,419
- ♪ Through the devilish cold ♪
- 435
- 00:22:17,544 --> 00:22:19,254
- ♪ I was thinkin' about Isis ♪
- 436
- 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:21,757
- ♪ How she thought I was so reckless ♪
- 437
- 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,385
- ♪ She told me, though, that one day
- We would meet up again ♪
- 438
- 00:22:25,886 --> 00:22:27,763
- ♪ And things would be different ♪
- 439
- 00:22:27,888 --> 00:22:29,681
- ♪ The next time we wed ♪
- 440
- 00:22:29,765 --> 00:22:31,767
- ♪ If I could only just hang on ♪
- 441
- 00:22:31,933 --> 00:22:33,685
- ♪ And be her friend ♪
- 442
- 00:22:34,144 --> 00:22:35,729
- ♪ I still can't remember ♪
- 443
- 00:22:35,812 --> 00:22:37,773
- ♪ All the best things she said ♪
- 444
- 00:22:54,414 --> 00:22:56,166
- ♪ We came to the pyramids ♪
- 445
- 00:22:56,249 --> 00:22:57,959
- ♪ All embedded in ice ♪
- 446
- 00:22:58,251 --> 00:22:59,753
- ♪ He said, "There's a body ♪
- 447
- 00:22:59,836 --> 00:23:02,005
- ♪ That I'm tryin' to find ♪
- 448
- 00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:03,882
- ♪ If I carry it out ♪
- 449
- 00:23:04,091 --> 00:23:06,093
- ♪ It'll bring a good price" ♪
- 450
- 00:23:06,426 --> 00:23:07,969
- ♪ 'Twas then that I knew ♪
- 451
- 00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:10,138
- ♪ What he had on his mind ♪
- 452
- 00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:12,182
- ♪ Well, the wind, it was howlin' ♪
- 453
- 00:23:12,265 --> 00:23:14,267
- ♪ And the snow was outrageous ♪
- 454
- 00:23:14,351 --> 00:23:16,019
- ♪ We chopped through the night ♪
- 455
- 00:23:16,269 --> 00:23:18,271
- ♪ And we chopped through the dawn ♪
- 456
- 00:23:18,355 --> 00:23:20,315
- ♪ When he died, I was hopin' ♪
- 457
- 00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:22,275
- ♪ That it wasn't contagious ♪
- 458
- 00:23:22,442 --> 00:23:24,403
- ♪ But I made up my mind ♪
- 459
- 00:23:24,486 --> 00:23:26,488
- ♪ That I had to get on ♪
- 460
- 00:23:43,004 --> 00:23:44,673
- ♪ I picked up his body ♪
- 461
- 00:23:44,756 --> 00:23:46,258
- ♪ And I dragged him inside ♪
- 462
- 00:23:46,716 --> 00:23:48,427
- ♪ Threw him down in a hole ♪
- 463
- 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,429
- ♪ And I put back the cover ♪
- 464
- 00:23:50,971 --> 00:23:52,514
- ♪ I said a quick prayer ♪
- 465
- 00:23:52,681 --> 00:23:54,558
- ♪ Just to feel satisfied ♪
- 466
- 00:23:54,850 --> 00:23:56,518
- ♪ Then I went back to find Isis ♪
- 467
- 00:23:56,601 --> 00:23:58,812
- ♪ Just to tell her I love her ♪
- 468
- 00:23:58,895 --> 00:24:00,730
- ♪ She was there in the meadow ♪
- 469
- 00:24:00,814 --> 00:24:03,191
- ♪ Where the creek used to rise ♪
- 470
- 00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:04,818
- ♪ Blinded by sleep ♪
- 471
- 00:24:04,901 --> 00:24:06,903
- ♪ And in need of a bed ♪
- 472
- 00:24:06,987 --> 00:24:08,697
- ♪ I came in from the East ♪
- 473
- 00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:10,907
- ♪ With the sun in my eyes ♪
- 474
- 00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:14,703
- ♪ I cursed her one time
- Then I rode on ahead ♪
- 475
- 00:24:15,078 --> 00:24:16,830
- ♪ She said, "Where you been?" ♪
- 476
- 00:24:17,205 --> 00:24:19,082
- ♪ I said, "No place special" ♪
- 477
- 00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:22,544
- ♪ She said, "You look different"
- I said, "Well, I guess" ♪
- 478
- 00:24:23,211 --> 00:24:24,671
- ♪ She said, "You been gone" ♪
- 479
- 00:24:24,754 --> 00:24:28,508
- ♪ I said, "That's only natural"
- She said, "You gonna stay?" ♪
- 480
- 00:24:28,592 --> 00:24:31,178
- ♪ I said, "If you want me to, yeah!" ♪
- 481
- 00:24:47,861 --> 00:24:49,529
- ♪ Isis, oh, Isis ♪
- 482
- 00:24:49,613 --> 00:24:51,281
- ♪ You a mystical child ♪
- 483
- 00:24:51,531 --> 00:24:53,366
- ♪ What drives me to you ♪
- 484
- 00:24:53,533 --> 00:24:55,494
- ♪ Is what drives me insane ♪
- 485
- 00:24:55,952 --> 00:24:57,496
- ♪ I still can remember ♪
- 486
- 00:24:57,579 --> 00:24:59,623
- ♪ The way that you smiled ♪
- 487
- 00:24:59,706 --> 00:25:01,541
- ♪ On the fifth day of May ♪
- 488
- 00:25:01,625 --> 00:25:04,044
- ♪ In the drizzlin' rain ♪
- 489
- 00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:36,409
- Hi, Bob.
- 490
- 00:25:36,493 --> 00:25:39,162
- -Hi, what you guys want? An interview?
- - Sure.
- 491
- 00:25:39,246 --> 00:25:41,248
- - Ah, wh--
- - How was it, Bob?
- 492
- 00:25:41,748 --> 00:25:42,874
- How was what?
- 493
- 00:25:44,334 --> 00:25:46,503
- What did Bob say about the tour?
- 494
- 00:25:46,586 --> 00:25:48,713
- I never asked him anything
- because, you know,
- 495
- 00:25:48,797 --> 00:25:50,507
- he wouldn't answer direct questions.
- 496
- 00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:52,425
- Dylan, you're beautiful.
- 497
- 00:25:53,927 --> 00:25:56,263
- - Bob!
- 498
- 00:25:57,639 --> 00:25:58,890
- A legend is in town,
- 499
- 00:25:58,974 --> 00:26:01,518
- and it's not just another...
- rock 'n' roll show.
- 500
- 00:26:01,601 --> 00:26:03,853
- I mean, it's rock 'n' roll,
- but it's a special event.
- 501
- 00:26:03,937 --> 00:26:05,897
- where rock 'n' roll
- has four or five legends,
- 502
- 00:26:06,314 --> 00:26:09,234
- this is one of them, and maybe
- the biggest one at the present time.
- 503
- 00:26:18,952 --> 00:26:21,705
- Not to brag,
- but Rolling Thunder was kinda my idea,
- 504
- 00:26:21,788 --> 00:26:22,622
- you know.
- 505
- 00:26:22,706 --> 00:26:24,958
- Bob had done that tour with The Band
- a few years back,
- 506
- 00:26:25,041 --> 00:26:26,918
- and that was super successful,
- 507
- 00:26:27,002 --> 00:26:30,297
- and then Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young
- were filling 50,000 seats a night.
- 508
- 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,633
- And Zeppelin was huge.
- I mean, there was money everywhere.
- 509
- 00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:36,344
- You know, all you had to do
- was bend down, pick it up.
- 510
- 00:26:36,636 --> 00:26:40,682
- So, I had an idea that some kind of revue
- with Bob would be a gold mine.
- 511
- 00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:42,976
- So I went off and pitched the idea,
- 512
- 00:26:43,059 --> 00:26:45,145
- and a bunch of local promoters
- were interested.
- 513
- 00:26:45,645 --> 00:26:48,440
- And then by the time I was done,
- I ended up with 15 headliners.
- 514
- 00:26:50,817 --> 00:26:53,445
- ♪ I'm gonna have to go to college
- 'Cause you are... ♪
- 515
- 00:26:53,528 --> 00:26:55,488
- Now you've asked for it!
- 516
- 00:26:56,072 --> 00:26:58,199
- We took a big risk. And, uh, you know,
- 517
- 00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:01,578
- you had to put up the money,
- get everybody, you know, hotels, catering,
- 518
- 00:27:01,661 --> 00:27:03,371
- cars, all this stuff, buses.
- 519
- 00:27:03,913 --> 00:27:07,542
- And you had to keep all these guys happy
- and, you know, focused.
- 520
- 00:27:07,709 --> 00:27:11,004
- And so... And that was, you loaded up
- before you went out on the road.
- 521
- 00:27:11,421 --> 00:27:14,174
- Then you hope you got paid.
- And you hope the show worked.
- 522
- 00:27:15,592 --> 00:27:17,594
- Did you have any interaction with Bob?
- 523
- 00:27:17,677 --> 00:27:20,096
- The only time I saw Bob
- was when he was onstage
- 524
- 00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:21,306
- or driving the bus.
- 525
- 00:27:21,514 --> 00:27:23,308
- You know? Bob kept to himself.
- 526
- 00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:25,852
- How did it become
- "Rolling Thunder Revue"?
- 527
- 00:27:25,935 --> 00:27:28,271
- Well, I asked Bob.
- He said originally he was gonna call it
- 528
- 00:27:28,355 --> 00:27:29,522
- Montezuma's Revue,
- 529
- 00:27:29,689 --> 00:27:30,982
- but then he said he was home,
- 530
- 00:27:31,107 --> 00:27:34,110
- and he was just kind of trying to think
- of a name for the tour,
- 531
- 00:27:34,194 --> 00:27:36,613
- when all of a sudden in the sky,
- he heard, "Boom!"
- 532
- 00:27:36,696 --> 00:27:38,948
- And then, from left to right,
- 533
- 00:27:39,074 --> 00:27:40,075
- punctuating the sky,
- 534
- 00:27:40,241 --> 00:27:41,534
- "Boom, boom, boom, boom!"
- 535
- 00:27:41,993 --> 00:27:44,579
- So he said,
- "Hey, let's call it 'Rolling Thunder.'"
- 536
- 00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:45,997
- So before we even left,
- 537
- 00:27:46,206 --> 00:27:48,083
- Chesley Millikin, who was on the tour,
- says,
- 538
- 00:27:48,166 --> 00:27:50,460
- "Bob, you know what 'rolling thunder'
- means to the Indians?"
- 539
- 00:27:50,543 --> 00:27:53,588
- And he goes, "What, man?"
- And Chesley goes, "Speaking truth."
- 540
- 00:27:53,713 --> 00:27:56,299
- And then Bob goes,
- "I'm glad to hear that, man."
- 541
- 00:27:56,508 --> 00:27:59,260
- Of course, later on we found out
- that Rolling Thunder was actually
- 542
- 00:27:59,344 --> 00:28:02,180
- the code name
- for, uh, Nixon's bombing of Cambodia.
- 543
- 00:28:02,722 --> 00:28:06,518
- And that Guam, the backup band,
- was the base that, uh, they took off from.
- 544
- 00:28:06,601 --> 00:28:08,061
- So, who knows what the real story is.
- 545
- 00:28:08,436 --> 00:28:11,564
- This is the leaflet for a concert
- they're having in town next week.
- 546
- 00:28:12,357 --> 00:28:15,276
- Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Jack Elliott.
- 547
- 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,903
- Right in the Civic Center.
- 548
- 00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:19,155
- You know me,
- I'm too old for that kind of stuff.
- 549
- 00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:20,365
- Oh, well.
- 550
- 00:28:21,616 --> 00:28:22,742
- -Okay.
- - So...
- 551
- 00:28:22,826 --> 00:28:24,577
- when did you first hear about Bob?
- 552
- 00:28:25,328 --> 00:28:28,289
- This is like a... a...
- It sounds like a fairy tale,
- 553
- 00:28:28,832 --> 00:28:31,292
- but all... a lot of the...
- 554
- 00:28:31,459 --> 00:28:34,671
- It doesn't happen continuously
- for more than a few days at a time,
- 555
- 00:28:34,754 --> 00:28:36,589
- but a lot of my life,
- 556
- 00:28:37,424 --> 00:28:39,968
- I feel like I really am leading
- a charmed life,
- 557
- 00:28:40,051 --> 00:28:44,139
- because miracles start happening
- in threes or fours.
- 558
- 00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:46,766
- One thing I could tell you
- about Ramblin' Jack,
- 559
- 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,436
- he's more of a sailor than a singer.
- 560
- 00:28:49,936 --> 00:28:54,149
- He can tie a bowline, a clove hitch,
- and he could tie a rolling hitch,
- 561
- 00:28:54,816 --> 00:28:55,942
- all blindfolded.
- 562
- 00:28:56,025 --> 00:28:58,361
- If you're ever on a boat or sailing ship,
- 563
- 00:28:59,904 --> 00:29:03,616
- you would rather have Ramblin' Jack
- there as a sailor than a singer.
- 564
- 00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:07,454
- ♪ Now, London is a fine town
- For sailors ♪
- 565
- 00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:12,167
- ♪ California and back to France, so... ♪
- 566
- 00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:14,753
- Which would you rather be,
- the Pilgrims or the Indians?
- 567
- 00:29:14,836 --> 00:29:16,963
- - Pilgrims.
- - Why the Pilgrims?
- 568
- 00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:18,757
- Why do you wanna be the Pilgrims?
- 569
- 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,217
- 'Cause the Pilgrims all land
- and they turn into wax dolls,
- 570
- 00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:23,595
- and they're wax dolls
- for the rest of the universe.
- 571
- 00:29:23,678 --> 00:29:24,929
- So the Indians.
- 572
- 00:29:25,054 --> 00:29:28,433
- Well, you know, the Indians, that's true--
- Well, we're all wax dolls, so...
- 573
- 00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:33,396
- The first concert will take place
- in Plymouth...
- 574
- 00:29:34,189 --> 00:29:38,193
- Uh, where the, uh, Pilgrims stepped
- off their Mayflower.
- 575
- 00:29:38,693 --> 00:29:40,570
- We're... as if we're-- we're Pilgrims.
- 576
- 00:29:40,862 --> 00:29:42,697
- Pilgrims in the sense of searchers,
- 577
- 00:29:43,239 --> 00:29:45,241
- looking for the, uh, kingdom of a nation
- 578
- 00:29:45,992 --> 00:29:47,744
- with maybe a different intention.
- 579
- 00:29:48,244 --> 00:29:49,871
- Making America a kingdom of poetry,
- 580
- 00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:51,080
- a nation of poetry.
- 581
- 00:30:05,136 --> 00:30:07,138
- Well, look at this. Lookit.
- 582
- 00:30:07,388 --> 00:30:09,057
- Have you ever heard of Bob Dylan?
- 583
- 00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:11,518
- -Yeah.
- -Yeah, I've heard of Bob Dylan, Joan Baez,
- 584
- 00:30:11,601 --> 00:30:12,435
- Bob Neuwirth.
- 585
- 00:30:13,311 --> 00:30:16,731
- ...performing
- at Memorial Auditorium. Anybody?
- 586
- 00:30:17,607 --> 00:30:18,691
- Pass 'em out.
- 587
- 00:30:19,567 --> 00:30:21,736
- -♪ I left Rome ♪
- 588
- 00:30:23,488 --> 00:30:25,698
- ♪ And pulled into Brussels ♪
- 589
- 00:30:27,617 --> 00:30:29,285
- ♪ On a plane ride ♪
- 590
- 00:30:29,536 --> 00:30:32,455
- ♪ So bumpy that I almost cried ♪
- 591
- 00:30:35,250 --> 00:30:37,544
- ♪ Clergymen in uniform ♪
- 592
- 00:30:37,627 --> 00:30:40,380
- ♪ Young girls pullin' muscles ♪
- 593
- 00:30:41,881 --> 00:30:44,175
- ♪ Well, it sure has been ♪
- 594
- 00:30:44,801 --> 00:30:47,136
- ♪ One hell of a ride ♪
- 595
- 00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:51,558
- ♪ Newspapermen ♪
- 596
- 00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:55,270
- ♪ Eating candy, ooh ♪
- 597
- 00:30:56,646 --> 00:30:58,940
- ♪ They had to be held back ♪
- 598
- 00:30:59,315 --> 00:31:01,359
- ♪ By big police ♪
- 599
- 00:31:03,987 --> 00:31:08,783
- ♪ Someday
- Everything is gonna be different ♪
- 600
- 00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:16,833
- ♪ When I paint that masterpiece ♪
- 601
- 00:31:18,334 --> 00:31:19,544
- ♪ Train wrecks ♪
- 602
- 00:31:19,961 --> 00:31:23,339
- ♪ Running through the back of my memory ♪
- 603
- 00:31:25,008 --> 00:31:27,176
- ♪ When I ran on the hilltop ♪
- 604
- 00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:29,971
- ♪ Following a pack of wild geese ♪
- 605
- 00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:37,562
- ♪ Someday
- Everything is gonna be beautiful ♪
- 606
- 00:31:38,938 --> 00:31:45,069
- ♪ When I paint that masterpiece ♪
- 607
- 00:31:46,112 --> 00:31:48,615
- ♪ When I paint ♪
- 608
- 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:56,122
- ♪ That masterpiece ♪
- 609
- 00:32:04,088 --> 00:32:06,132
- Any idea why he would wear a mask?
- 610
- 00:32:06,215 --> 00:32:09,469
- Are you being funny?
- 611
- 00:32:09,552 --> 00:32:11,304
- Well, it was kind of a leading question.
- 612
- 00:32:11,387 --> 00:32:13,765
- Yeah, okay.
- Well, get to the point.
- 613
- 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,518
- We didn't have enough masks on that tour.
- 614
- 00:32:19,354 --> 00:32:21,356
- We should have had masks for everybody.
- 615
- 00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:23,483
- When somebody's wearing a mask,
- 616
- 00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:25,610
- uh, he's gonna tell you the truth.
- 617
- 00:32:26,402 --> 00:32:27,236
- Uh...
- 618
- 00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:30,406
- when he's not wearing a mask,
- it's highly unlikely.
- 619
- 00:32:30,823 --> 00:32:33,242
- Shocking Blue!
- 620
- 00:32:38,456 --> 00:32:41,125
- ♪ Her weapons were her crystal eyes ♪
- 621
- 00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:44,420
- ♪ Making every man mad ♪
- 622
- 00:32:45,838 --> 00:32:48,091
- I'd been filming Shocking Blue.
- 623
- 00:32:48,424 --> 00:32:50,927
- Their song "Venus" was
- at the top of the charts.
- 624
- 00:32:51,427 --> 00:32:53,471
- -Wow!
- - And we needed more footage.
- 625
- 00:32:53,846 --> 00:32:55,932
- And at the time, I liked psychedelics.
- 626
- 00:32:56,432 --> 00:32:58,977
- Oh, LSD was my drug of choice.
- 627
- 00:32:59,310 --> 00:33:01,729
- You know, it was trans-- transformative.
- 628
- 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,067
- And I filmed a lot of newspeople
- and things from the TV,
- 629
- 00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:09,070
- like camera right on the TV,
- like kinescoped,
- 630
- 00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:12,407
- and I cut these serious things,
- these speeches, with the rock 'n' roll.
- 631
- 00:33:12,615 --> 00:33:15,076
- ♪ A goddess on a mountaintop ♪
- 632
- 00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:18,746
- ♪ Was burning like a silver flame ♪
- 633
- 00:33:19,622 --> 00:33:21,374
- ♪ Well, I'm your Venus ♪
- 634
- 00:33:21,833 --> 00:33:26,421
- -♪ I'm your fire at your desire ♪
- - It was brood en spelen, uh...
- 635
- 00:33:26,504 --> 00:33:28,506
- You know, like, "bread and circus."
- 636
- 00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,676
- I made an indictment of popular culture.
- 637
- 00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:35,138
- I called it "Burning Like A Silver Flame."
- 638
- 00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:38,057
- It played the local art film circuit,
- 639
- 00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:41,394
- uh, and it started to have
- a life of its own.
- 640
- 00:33:41,644 --> 00:33:44,522
- Um, later, when I won
- the Heinrich Greif Award,
- 641
- 00:33:44,605 --> 00:33:45,982
- America came calling.
- 642
- 00:34:05,334 --> 00:34:06,377
- Van Dorp,
- 643
- 00:34:06,753 --> 00:34:08,504
- I hadn't even heard of him before,
- 644
- 00:34:09,422 --> 00:34:11,382
- but, uh, he seemed like an okay guy.
- 645
- 00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:12,925
- I liked his film history.
- 646
- 00:34:13,342 --> 00:34:17,597
- He did some film work
- at Madame Tussauds Wax Museum.
- 647
- 00:34:18,514 --> 00:34:21,517
- His idea was to, uh, make this film...
- 648
- 00:34:22,226 --> 00:34:26,230
- appear to be like old newsreels
- we used to see at movie theaters...
- 649
- 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:27,774
- growing up,
- 650
- 00:34:28,691 --> 00:34:30,610
- which I thought was a splendid idea.
- 651
- 00:34:32,028 --> 00:34:35,198
- Van Dorp, I wanted to tell you something.
- 652
- 00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:41,954
- I thought Sam would be perfect
- for van Dorp to, uh, collaborate with,
- 653
- 00:34:42,538 --> 00:34:46,501
- because Sam's got
- that special knowledge of the underworld
- 654
- 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,379
- that van Dorp didn't seem
- to have a clue about.
- 655
- 00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:54,509
- I think I asked him once,
- "Sam, how you write all those plays?"
- 656
- 00:34:54,592 --> 00:34:55,551
- And he said...
- 657
- 00:34:56,385 --> 00:34:57,553
- "Man," he said,
- 658
- 00:34:59,222 --> 00:35:01,057
- "it's like I commune with the dead."
- 659
- 00:35:02,975 --> 00:35:04,268
- I said, "Yeah, yeah,
- 660
- 00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:08,231
- uh, you'd have to
- to write plays like that."
- 661
- 00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:11,651
- And I asked him if he wanted to, uh,
- write for, uh,
- 662
- 00:35:12,485 --> 00:35:15,029
- this movie
- that this guy van Dorp was making.
- 663
- 00:35:15,321 --> 00:35:20,576
- And he went to meet with van Dorp,
- and then he came back, and he said, uh...
- 664
- 00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:22,787
- he didn't know where the guy
- was coming from,
- 665
- 00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:25,081
- but if I wanted him to do it, he would.
- 666
- 00:35:25,164 --> 00:35:27,583
- So, that's how Sam got involved.
- 667
- 00:35:28,167 --> 00:35:30,419
- I was living
- in Homestead Valley, California,
- 668
- 00:35:31,045 --> 00:35:35,758
- running a horse boarding farm.
- 669
- 00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:40,888
- It was a little bit unclear
- what-- what exactly he wanted me to do.
- 670
- 00:35:40,972 --> 00:35:44,100
- I was like a screenwriter
- or writer for hire, you know.
- 671
- 00:35:44,183 --> 00:35:46,561
- So, sure. So, I joined up.
- 672
- 00:35:47,353 --> 00:35:50,898
- I was just kind of there for the ride,
- basically,
- 673
- 00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:52,859
- and-- and as an observer
- 674
- 00:35:52,942 --> 00:35:57,238
- and trying to make sense of something,
- you know.
- 675
- 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,704
- New England was just
- experiencing the backbone
- 676
- 00:36:04,787 --> 00:36:06,789
- of that economic fallout,
- 677
- 00:36:06,873 --> 00:36:10,376
- you know, way back then,
- it was, you know, desolate...
- 678
- 00:36:10,668 --> 00:36:13,838
- Uh, really,
- really difficult economic times, you know.
- 679
- 00:36:13,921 --> 00:36:17,341
- People suffering behind that, you know.
- 680
- 00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:21,179
- Rock 'n' roll was some kind of, a...
- 681
- 00:36:21,345 --> 00:36:23,181
- I don't know, a kind of medicine
- or something.
- 682
- 00:36:23,264 --> 00:36:25,057
- Do you have tickets
- for the concert?
- 683
- 00:36:25,141 --> 00:36:27,185
- - Yeah.
- - How come he's coming here?
- 684
- 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,896
- I know, how come he picked
- such a small place?
- 685
- 00:36:29,979 --> 00:36:32,773
- Tickets are on sale at the collis--
- the little Plymouth auditorium.
- 686
- 00:36:35,401 --> 00:36:37,737
- Wasn't that the year
- of the bicentennial, also?
- 687
- 00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:39,697
- The bicentennial,
- 688
- 00:36:39,822 --> 00:36:41,490
- particularly in the little towns,
- you know,
- 689
- 00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:43,034
- they didn't give a shit, you know.
- 690
- 00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:45,453
- "What is the bicen--"
- You know what I mean?
- 691
- 00:36:45,536 --> 00:36:49,123
- They-- They certainly weren't celebrating
- the-- the birth of America. You know?
- 692
- 00:36:49,457 --> 00:36:52,043
- - We love you, Bobby!
- - Yeah!
- 693
- 00:36:54,503 --> 00:36:58,424
- ♪ How many roads must a man walk down ♪
- 694
- 00:36:59,717 --> 00:37:02,470
- ♪ Before you call him a man? ♪
- 695
- 00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:07,850
- ♪ How many seas must a white dove sail ♪
- 696
- 00:37:08,768 --> 00:37:11,854
- ♪ Before she sleeps in the sand? ♪
- 697
- 00:37:13,481 --> 00:37:17,485
- ♪ How many times
- Must the cannonballs fly ♪
- 698
- 00:37:18,110 --> 00:37:20,947
- ♪ Before they're forever banned? ♪
- 699
- 00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:24,492
- ♪ The answer, my friend ♪
- 700
- 00:37:24,575 --> 00:37:26,702
- ♪ Is blowin' in the wind ♪
- 701
- 00:37:26,953 --> 00:37:30,164
- ♪ The answer is blowin' in the wind ♪
- 702
- 00:37:33,042 --> 00:37:38,130
- It always had this feeling of--
- of almost a circus atmosphere,
- 703
- 00:37:38,547 --> 00:37:40,049
- a dog and pony show sort of thing.
- 704
- 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,885
- It's the first song
- I ever heard Woody Guthrie sing
- 705
- 00:37:42,969 --> 00:37:44,470
- on a little radio station.
- 706
- 00:37:45,638 --> 00:37:47,056
- He was telling a story...
- 707
- 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:52,436
- about traveling across the country
- on freight trains,
- 708
- 00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:54,480
- and he had a fiddle with him...
- 709
- 00:37:56,399 --> 00:37:58,317
- in a violin case.
- 710
- 00:37:59,819 --> 00:38:01,654
- Every time the train would stop,
- 711
- 00:38:02,738 --> 00:38:06,784
- police would come on and look through,
- they'd see him with that violin case...
- 712
- 00:38:09,412 --> 00:38:10,538
- make him open it up,
- 713
- 00:38:12,248 --> 00:38:13,374
- and look inside.
- 714
- 00:38:14,208 --> 00:38:15,960
- They was looking for an outlaw...
- 715
- 00:38:17,044 --> 00:38:18,754
- named Pretty Boy Floyd,
- 716
- 00:38:19,505 --> 00:38:23,050
- who was also traveling with a violin case.
- 717
- 00:38:29,056 --> 00:38:35,771
- ♪ If you'll gather 'round me, children ♪
- 718
- 00:38:38,065 --> 00:38:43,529
- ♪ A story I will tell
- About Pretty Boy Floyd, an outlaw ♪
- 719
- 00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:48,617
- ♪ Oklahoma knew him well ♪
- 720
- 00:38:51,037 --> 00:38:53,456
- I do recall sort of looking over,
- 721
- 00:38:53,539 --> 00:38:57,168
- from a distance, Jack Elliott's shoulder
- as he did his solo set.
- 722
- 00:38:58,210 --> 00:39:00,379
- You know, that was something
- so new to me, and...
- 723
- 00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:02,757
- gee, it seemed so authentic,
- 724
- 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,511
- I had no idea he was, you know,
- a Jewish dentist's son from Brooklyn.
- 725
- 00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:10,806
- You know, you could've knocked me over
- with a feather when I found that out.
- 726
- 00:39:10,931 --> 00:39:13,142
- Ramblin' Jack!
- Take a bow, Jack.
- 727
- 00:39:16,103 --> 00:39:18,105
- I got another friend
- for you to meet now.
- 728
- 00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:32,536
- They-- They had an entity
- about them, you know.
- 729
- 00:39:32,912 --> 00:39:34,497
- It wasn't stardom.
- 730
- 00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:35,915
- It wasn't people were looking at,
- 731
- 00:39:35,998 --> 00:39:37,792
- "Oh, there's Dylan and there's Joan Baez."
- 732
- 00:39:37,875 --> 00:39:39,585
- No, they were looking at a band.
- 733
- 00:39:40,086 --> 00:39:42,171
- ♪ Well, I ride on a mailtrain, baby ♪
- 734
- 00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:45,299
- ♪ Can't buy a thrill ♪
- 735
- 00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:50,805
- ♪ I been up all night, baby ♪
- 736
- 00:39:51,013 --> 00:39:53,557
- ♪ Leanin' on a windowsill ♪
- 737
- 00:39:56,977 --> 00:39:59,563
- Once again, good night
- on behalf of the Rolling Thunder Revue.
- 738
- 00:39:59,647 --> 00:40:01,899
- We thank you for coming. Good night.
- Go in peace.
- 739
- 00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:28,884
- And particularly
- with those songs
- 740
- 00:40:28,968 --> 00:40:32,847
- that had this kind of saga element
- about 'em, you know,
- 741
- 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:37,101
- it had a rejuvenating effect, I think,
- you know, it was very exhilarating.
- 742
- 00:40:37,268 --> 00:40:42,773
- It was a feeling of exhilaration,
- of-- of-- of being alive.
- 743
- 00:40:43,107 --> 00:40:45,943
- It... That sounds corny, but it's true,
- you know.
- 744
- 00:40:47,278 --> 00:40:48,821
- Take, uh, Shakespeare, Will.
- 745
- 00:40:48,904 --> 00:40:52,158
- He grew up
- in, uh, uh, Stratford-on-Avon,
- 746
- 00:40:52,241 --> 00:40:54,702
- you know, where the...
- where these rivers cross,
- 747
- 00:40:54,785 --> 00:40:57,872
- and it was on the way outskirts of London.
- 748
- 00:40:58,330 --> 00:41:01,208
- And these troubadours and vagabonds
- 749
- 00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:07,131
- and carnival people from all over
- were coming into London to perform.
- 750
- 00:41:07,506 --> 00:41:10,426
- And they would stop at this crossroads
- of these rivers.
- 751
- 00:41:10,509 --> 00:41:15,139
- And as a kid, he's seeing this,
- and then he writes those fucking plays.
- 752
- 00:41:15,473 --> 00:41:17,183
- You know?
- 753
- 00:41:18,517 --> 00:41:20,436
- That's... extraordinary.
- 754
- 00:41:20,728 --> 00:41:23,564
- You know,
- that somebody is charged up like that
- 755
- 00:41:23,647 --> 00:41:26,692
- from something passing
- through their lives, you know.
- 756
- 00:41:26,942 --> 00:41:29,445
- - Let me ask you a question.
- - Sure.
- 757
- 00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:32,865
- What were you gonna do on Halloween night?
- 758
- 00:41:33,032 --> 00:41:35,117
- What was I gonna do on Halloween night?
- 759
- 00:41:35,868 --> 00:41:37,328
- Just get a buzz on.
- 760
- 00:41:39,413 --> 00:41:40,664
- Nothing else to do.
- 761
- 00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:43,250
- Yep, just party.
- 762
- 00:41:47,796 --> 00:41:50,841
- ♪ Where have you been
- My blue-eyed son? ♪
- 763
- 00:41:51,550 --> 00:41:54,929
- ♪ Where have you been
- My darling young one? ♪
- 764
- 00:41:57,598 --> 00:42:01,185
- ♪ I've stumbled on the side
- Of twelve misty mountains ♪
- 765
- 00:42:01,685 --> 00:42:05,397
- ♪ Walked and I've crawled
- On six crooked highways ♪
- 766
- 00:42:05,481 --> 00:42:08,484
- ♪ Been in the middle
- Of seven sad forests ♪
- 767
- 00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:12,279
- ♪ Been out in front
- Of a dozen dead oceans ♪
- 768
- 00:42:12,363 --> 00:42:15,449
- ♪ Been ten thousand miles
- In the mouth of a graveyard ♪
- 769
- 00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:16,617
- ♪ And it's a hard ♪
- 770
- 00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:18,911
- ♪ And it's a hard ♪
- 771
- 00:42:18,994 --> 00:42:20,454
- ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪
- 772
- 00:42:21,121 --> 00:42:22,456
- ♪ And it's a hard ♪
- 773
- 00:42:22,873 --> 00:42:25,876
- ♪ Well, it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪
- 774
- 00:42:29,213 --> 00:42:32,424
- ♪ What did you see
- My blue-eyed son? ♪
- 775
- 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,637
- ♪ What did you see
- My darling young one? ♪
- 776
- 00:42:38,722 --> 00:42:41,934
- ♪ Saw a newborn baby
- With wild wolves all around it ♪
- 777
- 00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:45,604
- ♪ I saw a highway of diamonds
- With nobody on it ♪
- 778
- 00:42:46,063 --> 00:42:49,233
- ♪ Saw a black branch
- With blood that kept drippin' ♪
- 779
- 00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:52,820
- ♪ Saw a room full of men
- With their hammers bleedin' ♪
- 780
- 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,365
- ♪ Saw a white ladder
- Covered in water ♪
- 781
- 00:42:56,699 --> 00:43:00,202
- ♪ Saw ten thousand talkers
- Whose tongues are all broken ♪
- 782
- 00:43:00,619 --> 00:43:03,581
- ♪ Guns and sharp swords
- In the hands of young children ♪
- 783
- 00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:04,873
- ♪ And it's a hard ♪
- 784
- 00:43:05,541 --> 00:43:06,834
- ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪
- 785
- 00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:08,669
- ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪
- 786
- 00:43:09,253 --> 00:43:10,629
- ♪ And it's a hard ♪
- 787
- 00:43:10,963 --> 00:43:13,924
- ♪ Oh, it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪
- 788
- 00:43:17,303 --> 00:43:20,180
- ♪ What did you hear
- My blue-eyed son? ♪
- 789
- 00:43:20,889 --> 00:43:24,310
- ♪ What did you hear
- My darling young one? ♪
- 790
- 00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:29,982
- ♪ Heard the sound of a thunder
- That roared out a warnin' ♪
- 791
- 00:43:30,399 --> 00:43:33,819
- ♪ Heard the roar of a wave
- Could drown the whole world ♪
- 792
- 00:43:34,278 --> 00:43:37,448
- ♪ One person starved
- I heard many people laughin' ♪
- 793
- 00:43:37,781 --> 00:43:41,076
- ♪ Heard the song of a poet
- Who died in the gutter ♪
- 794
- 00:43:41,327 --> 00:43:44,538
- ♪ Heard the sound of a clown
- Crying in the alley ♪
- 795
- 00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:46,165
- -♪ And it's a hard ♪
- - Yeah!
- 796
- 00:43:46,248 --> 00:43:47,708
- ♪ And it's a hard ♪
- 797
- 00:43:48,083 --> 00:43:49,585
- ♪ And it's a hard ♪
- 798
- 00:43:49,918 --> 00:43:51,295
- ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪
- 799
- 00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:54,798
- ♪ And it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪
- 800
- 00:43:57,801 --> 00:44:00,888
- ♪ Who did you meet
- My blue-eyed son? ♪
- 801
- 00:44:01,472 --> 00:44:06,060
- ♪ Who did you meet
- My darling young one? ♪
- 802
- 00:44:07,603 --> 00:44:10,439
- ♪ Met a young child
- Beside a dead pony ♪
- 803
- 00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:14,109
- ♪ Met a white man
- Who walked a black dog ♪
- 804
- 00:44:14,568 --> 00:44:17,613
- ♪ Met one woman
- Whose body was burning ♪
- 805
- 00:44:17,988 --> 00:44:21,241
- ♪ Met a young girl
- She gave me a rainbow ♪
- 806
- 00:44:21,450 --> 00:44:24,995
- ♪ I met one man
- Wounded in love ♪
- 807
- 00:44:25,162 --> 00:44:28,123
- ♪ Met another man
- Wounded in hatred ♪
- 808
- 00:44:28,207 --> 00:44:29,416
- ♪ And it's a hard ♪
- 809
- 00:44:29,875 --> 00:44:31,251
- ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪
- 810
- 00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:33,170
- ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪
- 811
- 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:34,963
- ♪ And it's a hard ♪
- 812
- 00:44:35,255 --> 00:44:38,217
- ♪ And it's a hard rain gonna fall ♪
- 813
- 00:45:09,873 --> 00:45:12,835
- ♪ What'll you do now
- My blue-eyed son? ♪
- 814
- 00:45:13,419 --> 00:45:17,047
- ♪ What'll you do now
- My darling young one? ♪
- 815
- 00:45:19,174 --> 00:45:22,428
- ♪ I'm goin' back out
- When the rain starts a-fallin' ♪
- 816
- 00:45:22,886 --> 00:45:25,889
- ♪ Walk to the depths
- Of the deepest dark forest ♪
- 817
- 00:45:26,140 --> 00:45:29,393
- ♪ Where the people are many
- And their hands are all empty ♪
- 818
- 00:45:29,643 --> 00:45:33,105
- ♪ Where the pellets of poison
- Are flooding their waters ♪
- 819
- 00:45:33,188 --> 00:45:36,525
- ♪ Where the home in the valley
- Meets the damp, dirty prison ♪
- 820
- 00:45:36,608 --> 00:45:40,028
- ♪ Where the executioner's face
- Is always well-hidden ♪
- 821
- 00:45:40,112 --> 00:45:43,699
- ♪ Where the hunger is ugly
- Where souls are forgotten ♪
- 822
- 00:45:43,782 --> 00:45:47,077
- ♪ Where black is the color
- None is the number ♪
- 823
- 00:45:47,369 --> 00:45:50,706
- ♪ And I'll tell it and think it
- And speak it and breathe it ♪
- 824
- 00:45:50,956 --> 00:45:54,460
- ♪ Reflect from the mountain
- So all souls can see it ♪
- 825
- 00:45:54,543 --> 00:45:57,629
- ♪ Then I'll stand on the ocean
- Until I start sinkin' ♪
- 826
- 00:45:57,838 --> 00:46:01,049
- ♪ But I'll know my song well
- Before I start singin' ♪
- 827
- 00:46:01,133 --> 00:46:02,176
- ♪ And it's a hard ♪
- 828
- 00:46:02,676 --> 00:46:04,261
- ♪ And it's a hard ♪
- 829
- 00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:05,971
- ♪ Well, it's a hard ♪
- 830
- 00:46:06,305 --> 00:46:07,723
- ♪ And it's a hard ♪
- 831
- 00:46:08,015 --> 00:46:10,559
- ♪ It's a hard rain gonna fall ♪
- 832
- 00:46:49,598 --> 00:46:51,099
- - Hello?
- - Bob?
- 833
- 00:46:51,183 --> 00:46:52,309
- - Yeah.
- -This is Larry.
- 834
- 00:46:52,392 --> 00:46:54,520
- - Larry, how you doing?
- -You got a minute?
- 835
- 00:46:54,603 --> 00:46:56,605
- I gotta do a story in an hour,
- 836
- 00:46:56,688 --> 00:46:59,107
- and I just need
- about two or three paragraphs.
- 837
- 00:47:00,108 --> 00:47:01,276
- - Okay.
- -Are you up?
- 838
- 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:02,611
- Yeah, sort of.
- 839
- 00:47:08,075 --> 00:47:10,702
- What do you-- Why don't you
- just talk about the music, okay?
- 840
- 00:47:10,786 --> 00:47:11,995
- What do you wanna know?
- 841
- 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,164
- I've never seen you
- so fuckin' great onstage.
- 842
- 00:47:14,248 --> 00:47:16,542
- I've never seen you so loose. How come?
- 843
- 00:47:17,543 --> 00:47:20,712
- Jesus Christ, you really got me
- early in the morning, I can't even think.
- 844
- 00:47:20,796 --> 00:47:22,464
- -
- - Uh...
- 845
- 00:47:22,756 --> 00:47:25,634
- Well, it's just the element
- I work best in, you know?
- 846
- 00:47:25,884 --> 00:47:27,344
- You seen those Italian...
- 847
- 00:47:27,427 --> 00:47:29,555
- those Italian troupes
- that go around in Italy,
- 848
- 00:47:29,638 --> 00:47:31,557
- -those Italian street theaters...
- - Yeah.
- 849
- 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,142
- The wagon, the wagon troupes,
- Commedia dell'arte?
- 850
- 00:47:34,226 --> 00:47:35,269
- Yeah, right.
- 851
- 00:47:35,352 --> 00:47:37,813
- This is kind of an extension
- of that, only musically.
- 852
- 00:47:37,896 --> 00:47:39,857
- - Music Commedia dell'arte?
- - Yeah.
- 853
- 00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:40,816
- Come on, Red!
- 854
- 00:47:40,941 --> 00:47:42,067
- Riva!
- 855
- 00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:43,610
- - Jane!
- - Jane!
- 856
- 00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:45,487
- Get it, Merty!
- 857
- 00:47:45,737 --> 00:47:48,115
- If somebody told you Bob Dylan
- was coming to Providence,
- 858
- 00:47:48,198 --> 00:47:51,034
- you probably wouldn't believe them,
- but he is, along with Joan Baez,
- 859
- 00:47:51,118 --> 00:47:53,203
- Ramblin' Jack Elliott, and Bob Neuwirth,
- 860
- 00:47:53,745 --> 00:47:58,083
- and it's called the Rolling Thunder Revue
- at the Providence Civic Center, Tuesday...
- 861
- 00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:00,002
- You'd book the venues,
- 862
- 00:48:00,085 --> 00:48:02,421
- make deals with each
- of the local promoters,
- 863
- 00:48:02,713 --> 00:48:04,464
- and then you'd show up.
- 864
- 00:48:04,882 --> 00:48:07,092
- And, you know,
- you'd have a deal for the gate.
- 865
- 00:48:07,175 --> 00:48:08,427
- And, you know,
- 866
- 00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:10,512
- hopefully everything would go out,
- would go well,
- 867
- 00:48:10,596 --> 00:48:12,014
- and everybody'd make a little money.
- 868
- 00:48:12,097 --> 00:48:14,308
- Hey, man, it wasn't your door
- and you weren't invited.
- 869
- 00:48:14,391 --> 00:48:17,102
- -Hey, don't yell at me, all right?
- -Oh, I am yelling at ya.
- 870
- 00:48:17,185 --> 00:48:18,979
- - Okay.
- -Go get your cop,
- 871
- 00:48:19,062 --> 00:48:20,647
- -so you can get some fuckin' help.
- -Okay.
- 872
- 00:48:20,731 --> 00:48:23,483
- The overall promoter
- was a longtime friend of Bob's
- 873
- 00:48:23,567 --> 00:48:24,484
- and a fishmonger.
- 874
- 00:48:24,568 --> 00:48:26,486
- I mean, he never had managed
- a tour before,
- 875
- 00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:27,821
- let alone one of this size.
- 876
- 00:48:28,363 --> 00:48:30,324
- It's bad for your, uh,
- high blood pressure.
- 877
- 00:48:30,407 --> 00:48:32,492
- -Yeah, okay.
- -Bad for your high blood pressure.
- 878
- 00:48:32,576 --> 00:48:34,703
- -Read him some poetry, Allen.
- -Anything you wanna say...
- 879
- 00:48:34,786 --> 00:48:36,830
- So he was out of his element
- and underprepared,
- 880
- 00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:38,332
- and he wasn't very well-liked on the tour.
- 881
- 00:48:38,874 --> 00:48:42,127
- Then tell him the ushers left.
- Tell him-- Tell him we're framing it.
- 882
- 00:48:42,419 --> 00:48:43,921
- - Hi, Barry.
- -Nice.
- 883
- 00:48:45,631 --> 00:48:48,300
- This guy, Barry Imhoff,
- was his second-in-command,
- 884
- 00:48:48,383 --> 00:48:50,093
- and he'd worked for Bill Graham for years,
- 885
- 00:48:50,177 --> 00:48:52,095
- but just prior to Rolling Thunder
- 886
- 00:48:52,179 --> 00:48:54,598
- had got out on his own
- and started Zebra Productions.
- 887
- 00:48:54,681 --> 00:48:58,268
- And this was one of, you know,
- if not exactly, his first tour.
- 888
- 00:48:58,352 --> 00:49:00,395
- What kind of jobs
- would the promoter do?
- 889
- 00:49:00,479 --> 00:49:02,773
- I did whatever needed to get done.
- 890
- 00:49:03,023 --> 00:49:05,525
- So one day, you're delivering pizza
- to the band,
- 891
- 00:49:05,817 --> 00:49:06,777
- and the next day,
- 892
- 00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:09,237
- I'm... got a bag full of $15,000,
- 893
- 00:49:09,321 --> 00:49:11,740
- and I'm walking through a parking lot
- looking over my shoulder,
- 894
- 00:49:11,823 --> 00:49:14,076
- thinking everybody knows
- exactly what I'm doing.
- 895
- 00:49:14,284 --> 00:49:17,329
- Well, you did what you had to do.
- Some things we don't talk about.
- 896
- 00:49:21,208 --> 00:49:24,044
- My mom wanted to go see this tour.
- 897
- 00:49:24,628 --> 00:49:28,840
- Now, you know, nobody wants
- to go to a concert with their mom.
- 898
- 00:49:29,341 --> 00:49:32,177
- Especially when they're 19 years old.
- 899
- 00:49:32,844 --> 00:49:36,682
- So, rebelliously,
- I-- I wore a Kiss T-shirt.
- 900
- 00:49:37,432 --> 00:49:40,560
- So, I don't know which one of us
- was more embarrassed,
- 901
- 00:49:40,644 --> 00:49:42,646
- whether it was me or my mom.
- 902
- 00:49:42,729 --> 00:49:44,648
- And we went to this concert.
- 903
- 00:49:45,148 --> 00:49:46,608
- We're trying to get in,
- 904
- 00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:49,069
- and the guy's giving us
- kind of a hard time
- 905
- 00:49:49,152 --> 00:49:52,239
- and looking at our tickets and the thing,
- and we can't get in...
- 906
- 00:49:52,364 --> 00:49:55,075
- And then, this guy comes walking up,
- 907
- 00:49:56,243 --> 00:49:58,829
- and he doesn't have tickets,
- and he tries to get in.
- 908
- 00:49:58,912 --> 00:50:00,664
- And the cop at the door
- is not letting him in,
- 909
- 00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:01,957
- and not letting him in.
- 910
- 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,376
- And so, finally, like, a bunch of people
- come out,
- 911
- 00:50:04,459 --> 00:50:07,212
- and they get Bob,
- and Bob turns around and he's like...
- 912
- 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,466
- And I'm just like this...
- And my mom's like, "Come on."
- 913
- 00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:13,343
- And I don't wanna, "come on,"
- 914
- 00:50:13,635 --> 00:50:17,431
- but my mother pushes us through,
- and so we go in with Bob, and, um...
- 915
- 00:50:17,848 --> 00:50:19,891
- Bob turned around and he saw my shirt,
- 916
- 00:50:20,726 --> 00:50:21,768
- and he was like,
- 917
- 00:50:22,561 --> 00:50:23,603
- "Do you like them?"
- 918
- 00:50:23,979 --> 00:50:26,398
- And then I realized he wanted
- to talk about Kiss.
- 919
- 00:50:26,565 --> 00:50:29,860
- I think I was trying to--
- to sound like I was...
- 920
- 00:50:30,694 --> 00:50:32,738
- smart, and so I started saying,
- 921
- 00:50:32,821 --> 00:50:37,617
- "Well, you know, I think that they paint
- their faces in this Kabuki style."
- 922
- 00:50:37,993 --> 00:50:38,827
- And he said,
- 923
- 00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:43,248
- "Oh, I bet Okuni never spit blood
- into the audience."
- 924
- 00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:46,084
- And I was like, "Okuni?"
- 925
- 00:50:46,418 --> 00:50:48,837
- And he's like, "Izumo no Okuni."
- 926
- 00:50:49,296 --> 00:50:50,672
- Oh, and that's, you know,
- 927
- 00:50:50,756 --> 00:50:53,008
- it's one of the guys who started,
- uh, Kabuki.
- 928
- 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:54,134
- So...
- 929
- 00:50:54,342 --> 00:50:58,597
- ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪
- 930
- 00:50:59,473 --> 00:51:01,266
- ♪ And party every day ♪
- 931
- 00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:04,853
- ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪
- 932
- 00:51:05,771 --> 00:51:07,564
- ♪ And party every day ♪
- 933
- 00:51:07,647 --> 00:51:10,817
- ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪
- 934
- 00:51:10,901 --> 00:51:12,319
- I can't hear you!
- 935
- 00:51:12,402 --> 00:51:13,779
- ♪ And party every day ♪
- 936
- 00:51:13,862 --> 00:51:15,947
- ♪ I wanna rock and roll... ♪
- 937
- 00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:18,033
- Scarlet Rivera was some piece of work.
- 938
- 00:51:18,116 --> 00:51:21,369
- Most people'd kind of stay away
- from Scarlet, but, uh, not me.
- 939
- 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,750
- Her boyfriend at the time
- was the leader of Kiss.
- 940
- 00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:30,170
- And she took me over to Queens
- to see them play.
- 941
- 00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:34,007
- They were playing in a small club.
- They had face paint on,
- 942
- 00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:35,967
- and I thought that was
- kind of interesting.
- 943
- 00:51:37,302 --> 00:51:39,096
- I kind of filed that away somewhere.
- 944
- 00:51:39,429 --> 00:51:41,014
- Clap your hands!
- 945
- 00:51:41,515 --> 00:51:45,977
- ♪ I wanna rock and roll all night ♪
- 946
- 00:51:50,065 --> 00:51:53,860
- Yeah, I remember a lot of things.
- They-- They said I had a wonderful time.
- 947
- 00:51:53,944 --> 00:51:56,238
- I think I did.
- 948
- 00:51:56,655 --> 00:51:58,824
- They said every time
- we used to do any interviews,
- 949
- 00:51:58,907 --> 00:52:02,160
- all they wanted to know was,
- "Ronnie, we wanna hear about the orgies."
- 950
- 00:52:02,327 --> 00:52:03,370
- I said, "Orgies?"
- 951
- 00:52:03,453 --> 00:52:06,164
- I said, "God damn, we never had
- any orgies. That sounds nasty as hell."
- 952
- 00:52:06,248 --> 00:52:10,752
- I said, "We might have had 14 or 15 people
- in love a time or two, but no orgies."
- 953
- 00:52:12,546 --> 00:52:13,505
- Look who's here.
- 954
- 00:52:14,172 --> 00:52:15,006
- Yo, man.
- 955
- 00:52:15,549 --> 00:52:17,592
- Well, Ronnie Hawkins, now,
- 956
- 00:52:17,676 --> 00:52:21,429
- he looked like a shitkicker,
- but he spoke with the wisdom of a sage.
- 957
- 00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:23,515
- He was like a...
- 958
- 00:52:24,724 --> 00:52:25,642
- a...
- 959
- 00:52:27,102 --> 00:52:28,395
- gladiator or something...
- 960
- 00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:30,605
- that wrestled and raced
- 961
- 00:52:30,689 --> 00:52:33,900
- in, uh, in--
- in some nondescript Roman arena.
- 962
- 00:52:34,276 --> 00:52:35,110
- Uh...
- 963
- 00:52:35,193 --> 00:52:38,071
- you expected Ronnie to, uh,
- to wear a toga...
- 964
- 00:52:40,699 --> 00:52:42,367
- instead of that ratty cowboy hat.
- 965
- 00:52:43,493 --> 00:52:45,787
- - Remember Scarlet Rivera?
- - Oh, yeah.
- 966
- 00:52:45,871 --> 00:52:47,998
- She fell in love with my rhythm man
- 967
- 00:52:48,081 --> 00:52:49,541
- from my band, Scarlet did.
- 968
- 00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:54,087
- Yeah, they put on some interesting shows
- there, up there in my room.
- 969
- 00:52:57,424 --> 00:52:59,843
- I think I narrated a couple of 'em.
- I'm not sure.
- 970
- 00:53:00,343 --> 00:53:03,054
- But, uh, yeah, she was something else...
- wore a sword.
- 971
- 00:53:03,847 --> 00:53:05,682
- She had--
- She wore a sword everywhere she went,
- 972
- 00:53:05,765 --> 00:53:06,808
- that girl, so I didn't...
- 973
- 00:53:06,892 --> 00:53:09,728
- I was a little bit uneasy
- about trying to slip her out,
- 974
- 00:53:10,145 --> 00:53:12,939
- 'cause, boy, if you didn't satisfy her,
- she's liable to stab you.
- 975
- 00:53:16,401 --> 00:53:17,652
- She was unusual.
- 976
- 00:53:17,736 --> 00:53:20,572
- I went to her room once,
- and there was a box of stuff.
- 977
- 00:53:21,156 --> 00:53:24,701
- Like, chains and mirrors...
- 978
- 00:53:25,535 --> 00:53:26,661
- candelabras and...
- 979
- 00:53:27,996 --> 00:53:29,164
- She had swords.
- 980
- 00:53:29,831 --> 00:53:30,832
- She had a snake.
- 981
- 00:53:31,499 --> 00:53:32,375
- Just, uh...
- 982
- 00:53:32,876 --> 00:53:35,670
- many things in... in a trunk.
- 983
- 00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:40,800
- And, uh, that told me more about her
- than anything she had to say.
- 984
- 00:53:44,304 --> 00:53:45,639
- She didn't say much.
- 985
- 00:53:47,515 --> 00:53:48,892
- But she didn't have to.
- 986
- 00:53:51,353 --> 00:53:55,398
- - What's that?
- - This? This is my friend.
- 987
- 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,445
- He keeps me company while I play.
- 988
- 00:54:00,946 --> 00:54:03,573
- He's playing the dance beyond his limits.
- 989
- 00:54:05,325 --> 00:54:07,827
- Something that most people
- would say is impossible.
- 990
- 00:54:09,162 --> 00:54:13,375
- But artists like to challenge
- the impossible, I guess.
- 991
- 00:54:14,292 --> 00:54:17,045
- That's why we wear
- the makeup we wear, I guess, too.
- 992
- 00:54:19,506 --> 00:54:21,883
- It's a striking image
- you have onstage.
- 993
- 00:54:24,094 --> 00:54:26,596
- Mr. Tambourine Man gives us
- the opportunity
- 994
- 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,307
- to be whoever we wish to be.
- 995
- 00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:49,035
- This, uh, young, beautiful,
- young lady over here is Scarlet.
- 996
- 00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:50,287
- She plays with us, too.
- 997
- 00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:14,436
- I'd been at the high holy gypsy holiday
- at Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer,
- 998
- 00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:15,353
- South of France.
- 999
- 00:55:20,442 --> 00:55:23,778
- It happens to be on my birthday,
- so it was like going home.
- 1000
- 00:55:41,421 --> 00:55:43,006
- Manitas de Plata was there,
- 1001
- 00:55:43,089 --> 00:55:45,467
- and he played all night
- along the campfire.
- 1002
- 00:55:46,426 --> 00:55:48,219
- I mean, he was fantastic.
- 1003
- 00:55:49,054 --> 00:55:53,350
- And, uh, I stayed up till dawn
- just listening to him play.
- 1004
- 00:56:31,137 --> 00:56:33,932
- Some time after that,
- couldn't have been more than a week,
- 1005
- 00:56:34,474 --> 00:56:37,435
- that song came to me in a dream.
- 1006
- 00:56:37,894 --> 00:56:39,646
- ♪ Your breath is sweet ♪
- 1007
- 00:56:39,729 --> 00:56:43,274
- ♪ Your eyes are like
- Two jewels in the sky ♪
- 1008
- 00:56:45,819 --> 00:56:48,488
- ♪ Your back is straight
- Your hair is smooth ♪
- 1009
- 00:56:48,571 --> 00:56:51,366
- ♪ On the pillow where you lie ♪
- 1010
- 00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:56,496
- ♪ But I don't sense affection ♪
- 1011
- 00:56:56,579 --> 00:56:58,415
- ♪ No gratitude or love ♪
- 1012
- 00:57:00,250 --> 00:57:02,877
- ♪ Your loyalty is not to me ♪
- 1013
- 00:57:02,961 --> 00:57:05,839
- ♪ But to the stars above ♪
- 1014
- 00:57:07,132 --> 00:57:11,344
- ♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪
- 1015
- 00:57:14,347 --> 00:57:18,685
- ♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪
- 1016
- 00:57:20,228 --> 00:57:23,481
- ♪ To the valley below ♪
- 1017
- 00:57:35,827 --> 00:57:39,247
- ♪ Your daddy, he's an outlaw ♪
- 1018
- 00:57:39,330 --> 00:57:41,499
- ♪ And a wanderer by trade ♪
- 1019
- 00:57:43,793 --> 00:57:46,546
- ♪ He'll teach you how to pick and choose ♪
- 1020
- 00:57:46,629 --> 00:57:49,424
- ♪ And how to throw the blade ♪
- 1021
- 00:57:51,342 --> 00:57:53,803
- ♪ He oversees his kingdom ♪
- 1022
- 00:57:54,262 --> 00:57:57,182
- ♪ So no stranger does intrude ♪
- 1023
- 00:57:58,266 --> 00:58:01,519
- ♪ His voice, it trembles as he calls out ♪
- 1024
- 00:58:01,603 --> 00:58:04,063
- ♪ For another plate of food ♪
- 1025
- 00:58:05,356 --> 00:58:09,569
- ♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪
- 1026
- 00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:16,659
- ♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪
- 1027
- 00:58:18,453 --> 00:58:21,247
- ♪ To the valley below ♪
- 1028
- 00:58:33,801 --> 00:58:37,096
- ♪ Your sister sees the future ♪
- 1029
- 00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:39,224
- ♪ Like your mama and yourself ♪
- 1030
- 00:58:41,643 --> 00:58:44,187
- ♪ You've never learned to read or write ♪
- 1031
- 00:58:44,395 --> 00:58:47,357
- ♪ There's no books upon your shelf ♪
- 1032
- 00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:51,611
- ♪ And your pleasure knows no limits ♪
- 1033
- 00:58:52,028 --> 00:58:54,614
- ♪ Your voice is like a meadowlark ♪
- 1034
- 00:58:55,823 --> 00:58:58,535
- ♪ But your heart is like an ocean ♪
- 1035
- 00:58:58,993 --> 00:59:02,247
- ♪ Mysterious and dark ♪
- 1036
- 00:59:02,956 --> 00:59:07,126
- ♪ One more cup of coffee for the road ♪
- 1037
- 00:59:10,171 --> 00:59:14,634
- ♪ One more cup of coffee 'fore I go ♪
- 1038
- 00:59:16,094 --> 00:59:19,389
- ♪ To the valley below ♪
- 1039
- 01:00:04,434 --> 01:00:06,811
- Are you used
- to going to rock shows?
- 1040
- 01:00:08,021 --> 01:00:10,481
- No, it's one of the very few I've seen.
- 1041
- 01:00:12,233 --> 01:00:16,195
- I finally realized, after last night,
- I've been missing an awful lot.
- 1042
- 01:00:17,530 --> 01:00:19,490
- I thought it was
- the most unusual occurrence.
- 1043
- 01:00:19,574 --> 01:00:21,826
- I never-- I never noticed...
- 1044
- 01:00:22,577 --> 01:00:24,746
- as a-- as a part of an audience,
- 1045
- 01:00:26,414 --> 01:00:27,957
- I never paid attention to a...
- 1046
- 01:00:29,751 --> 01:00:32,837
- to a response between an audience
- and people on the stage,
- 1047
- 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,172
- performers onstage.
- 1048
- 01:00:34,922 --> 01:00:38,176
- That, to me,
- was like a show all by itself.
- 1049
- 01:00:39,177 --> 01:00:41,804
- It was like one battery charging another.
- 1050
- 01:00:45,308 --> 01:00:46,309
- And...
- 1051
- 01:00:47,143 --> 01:00:50,521
- you not only could feel the vibes,
- you could-- you could almost see them.
- 1052
- 01:00:52,774 --> 01:00:53,816
- There was a...
- 1053
- 01:00:55,860 --> 01:00:58,571
- a love affair between the performers
- and the audience.
- 1054
- 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,204
- Uh, I was thinking about the forces
- 1055
- 01:01:06,287 --> 01:01:07,580
- that draw people together.
- 1056
- 01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:14,295
- The magnetism that makes the unit
- that's now formed as Rolling Thunder.
- 1057
- 01:01:14,837 --> 01:01:15,713
- And, uh...
- 1058
- 01:01:16,047 --> 01:01:18,716
- to me, the future already exists.
- 1059
- 01:01:20,009 --> 01:01:22,553
- For some people, maybe for everyone.
- 1060
- 01:01:25,348 --> 01:01:28,976
- It's just a matter
- of tuning yourself to it.
- 1061
- 01:01:34,065 --> 01:01:38,778
- "I saw the best minds
- of my generation destroyed by madness,
- 1062
- 01:01:39,112 --> 01:01:41,698
- starving hysterical naked,
- 1063
- 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,535
- dragging themselves
- through the negro streets at dawn
- 1064
- 01:01:45,618 --> 01:01:47,745
- looking for an angry fix..."
- 1065
- 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,457
- Allen Ginsberg was a saintlike figure.
- 1066
- 01:01:52,208 --> 01:01:55,211
- It was like having a...
- kinda like a father figure.
- 1067
- 01:01:55,294 --> 01:01:56,587
- He was always very sober.
- 1068
- 01:01:58,005 --> 01:02:01,217
- No, Allen Ginsberg
- was anything but a father figure.
- 1069
- 01:02:02,635 --> 01:02:04,679
- He was definitely not a father figure.
- 1070
- 01:02:05,221 --> 01:02:06,472
- Allen Ginsberg,
- 1071
- 01:02:06,556 --> 01:02:10,184
- a guy I really-- I really miss,
- of the ones that are gone.
- 1072
- 01:02:10,685 --> 01:02:13,855
- We became very friendly,
- I mean, you know, he-- he...
- 1073
- 01:02:14,147 --> 01:02:17,775
- I wasn't a bad-looking, you know,
- little 19-year-old at the time,
- 1074
- 01:02:17,859 --> 01:02:20,403
- and he had a thing for straight,
- 1075
- 01:02:20,611 --> 01:02:21,571
- talented...
- 1076
- 01:02:22,488 --> 01:02:23,364
- um...
- 1077
- 01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:25,616
- teenage boys.
- 1078
- 01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:27,744
- So, that probably added to it, I suppose.
- 1079
- 01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:36,627
- One thing people
- don't know about Ginsberg
- 1080
- 01:02:36,711 --> 01:02:38,337
- is that he was an incredible dancer.
- 1081
- 01:02:38,421 --> 01:02:39,797
- Um... who...
- 1082
- 01:02:39,881 --> 01:02:44,677
- he would just do these steps
- that were so unusual and exciting.
- 1083
- 01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:47,388
- You know, and he'd always have
- a good dance partner, too.
- 1084
- 01:02:47,472 --> 01:02:51,434
- Uh, usually somebody from the tour,
- somebody we'd pick up along the way.
- 1085
- 01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:54,187
- Uh... He danced a lot, Ginsberg.
- 1086
- 01:02:56,856 --> 01:02:59,609
- "& shaman
- he swings a skinny leg to the sky
- 1087
- 01:02:59,692 --> 01:03:01,861
- & shaman
- he desires you be there watching
- 1088
- 01:03:01,944 --> 01:03:03,696
- shaman don't care about eating now
- 1089
- 01:03:03,821 --> 01:03:06,240
- he's got his paint on he's ready for jive
- 1090
- 01:03:06,574 --> 01:03:08,993
- & shaman's going to sway
- & gesture in space
- 1091
- 01:03:09,076 --> 01:03:12,371
- & shaman's shouting yeah for you
- & singing your sorrow
- 1092
- 01:03:12,455 --> 01:03:14,248
- shaman's not faithful except to you
- 1093
- 01:03:14,332 --> 01:03:16,334
- shaman does it for you you know all this
- 1094
- 01:03:16,417 --> 01:03:18,753
- shaman's got his eyes on the violin."
- 1095
- 01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:23,925
- There was this yearning,
- Allen's yearning,
- 1096
- 01:03:24,509 --> 01:03:26,093
- to either be Bob or...
- 1097
- 01:03:27,094 --> 01:03:29,013
- have Bob love him more.
- 1098
- 01:03:29,096 --> 01:03:31,015
- And I remember Bob saying,
- 1099
- 01:03:31,098 --> 01:03:33,226
- "Just go out and sing
- on the street corners."
- 1100
- 01:03:33,309 --> 01:03:34,811
- So Allen was essentially doing that.
- 1101
- 01:03:35,144 --> 01:03:37,021
- ♪ Ah... ♪
- 1102
- 01:03:37,104 --> 01:03:40,775
- Seeing Ginsberg was
- like going to see the Oracle of Delphi.
- 1103
- 01:03:41,234 --> 01:03:44,195
- He didn't care about material wealth
- or political power.
- 1104
- 01:03:44,779 --> 01:03:46,447
- He was his own kind of king.
- 1105
- 01:03:48,157 --> 01:03:50,409
- But... he wanted to play music.
- 1106
- 01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:55,206
- He had already achieved
- what any national poet
- 1107
- 01:03:55,289 --> 01:03:56,541
- could hope to achieve.
- 1108
- 01:03:56,624 --> 01:03:59,919
- "I saw the best minds of my generation
- destroyed by madness."
- 1109
- 01:04:00,586 --> 01:04:02,129
- Very few poets have done that.
- 1110
- 01:04:02,964 --> 01:04:04,215
- Robert Frost, maybe.
- 1111
- 01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:07,301
- "Promises to keep,
- miles to go before I sleep."
- 1112
- 01:04:07,802 --> 01:04:10,221
- Whitman said,
- "I am large, I contain multitudes."
- 1113
- 01:04:10,304 --> 01:04:12,139
- We still remember those lines today.
- 1114
- 01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:16,394
- Today's poets don't reach
- into the public consciousness that way.
- 1115
- 01:04:17,395 --> 01:04:20,523
- So it was remarkable
- that Allen had actually broken through.
- 1116
- 01:04:21,274 --> 01:04:25,736
- Nowadays, lines that people remember
- are lines from songs, lyrics from songs...
- 1117
- 01:04:27,071 --> 01:04:29,115
- "Your cheatin' heart will make you weep."
- 1118
- 01:04:29,198 --> 01:04:32,034
- "Don't change your hair for me,
- not if you care for me."
- 1119
- 01:04:32,827 --> 01:04:35,580
- "I'm in the mood for love."
- "What a difference a day makes."
- 1120
- 01:04:35,663 --> 01:04:36,706
- "Ain't misbehavin'."
- 1121
- 01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:40,459
- Allen wanted his lines
- to be remembered like that,
- 1122
- 01:04:41,085 --> 01:04:42,753
- but he was a poet.
- 1123
- 01:04:43,504 --> 01:04:44,881
- He wasn't a songwriter.
- 1124
- 01:04:46,841 --> 01:04:50,803
- By 1970 through 1975,
- 1125
- 01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:54,599
- all of the, uh, heroes of song and poetry
- 1126
- 01:04:55,558 --> 01:04:57,059
- were out on their own,
- 1127
- 01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,477
- uh...
- 1128
- 01:04:59,854 --> 01:05:01,522
- in the solitude...
- 1129
- 01:05:02,481 --> 01:05:03,357
- doing their art.
- 1130
- 01:05:05,234 --> 01:05:08,029
- The people that were going to die
- or drink themselves to death,
- 1131
- 01:05:08,112 --> 01:05:10,531
- as many great artists did,
- or get strung out...
- 1132
- 01:05:11,198 --> 01:05:15,161
- uh, went down to... uh...
- 1133
- 01:05:16,162 --> 01:05:18,789
- She'ol, as Kerouac did,
- 1134
- 01:05:19,373 --> 01:05:22,627
- 105 miles from this ocean,
- buried in Lowell.
- 1135
- 01:05:23,711 --> 01:05:26,797
- But that's where I got all my poetry,
- out of Mexico City Blues.
- 1136
- 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:28,799
- You ever read this?
- 1137
- 01:05:29,050 --> 01:05:30,384
- -Sure.
- -This book...
- 1138
- 01:05:30,843 --> 01:05:33,387
- -This is my favorite.
- -Yeah, I-- I read this. Uh...
- 1139
- 01:05:34,764 --> 01:05:37,433
- My good friend Dave Whitaker
- gave me a copy of this book.
- 1140
- 01:05:37,516 --> 01:05:40,853
- -When?
- -Uh, in Minneapolis in 1959.
- 1141
- 01:05:40,937 --> 01:05:41,771
- Uh-huh.
- 1142
- 01:05:42,438 --> 01:05:45,608
- I remember when David gave me this book,
- it just blew a hole in my mind.
- 1143
- 01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:46,776
- Really?
- 1144
- 01:05:47,777 --> 01:05:50,071
- Yeah.
- "What's been buried in the grave?
- 1145
- 01:05:50,154 --> 01:05:50,988
- Dust.
- 1146
- 01:05:51,155 --> 01:05:52,281
- -Perfect--"
- -"Perfect dust."
- 1147
- 01:05:52,365 --> 01:05:54,659
- "Perfect dust in time."
- 1148
- 01:05:55,409 --> 01:05:57,036
- He wrote a lot about being dead.
- 1149
- 01:05:58,204 --> 01:06:00,790
- "Once I went to a movie
- At midnight, 1940,
- 1150
- 01:06:00,873 --> 01:06:02,375
- Mice and Men, the name of it.
- 1151
- 01:06:02,458 --> 01:06:05,419
- The Red Block Boxcars
- Rolling by (on the Screen)
- 1152
- 01:06:05,878 --> 01:06:06,712
- Yessir
- 1153
- 01:06:06,796 --> 01:06:08,673
- life finally gets tired of living -
- 1154
- 01:06:09,215 --> 01:06:11,759
- On both occasions I had wild
- Face looking into lights
- 1155
- 01:06:11,842 --> 01:06:13,219
- Of streets where phantoms
- 1156
- 01:06:13,302 --> 01:06:16,180
- Hastened out of sight
- Into Memorial cello time."
- 1157
- 01:06:16,263 --> 01:06:17,848
- - Oh, yeah.
- 1158
- 01:06:17,932 --> 01:06:20,267
- Here's one.
- "Dead and don't know it,
- 1159
- 01:06:20,351 --> 01:06:21,394
- Living and do.
- 1160
- 01:06:21,811 --> 01:06:23,562
- The living have a dead idea.
- 1161
- 01:06:24,105 --> 01:06:25,856
- A person is a living idea;
- 1162
- 01:06:25,982 --> 01:06:27,775
- after death, a dead idea.
- 1163
- 01:06:27,858 --> 01:06:29,402
- When rock becomes air..."
- 1164
- 01:06:29,485 --> 01:06:30,569
- "I will be there."
- 1165
- 01:06:31,570 --> 01:06:33,280
- -He's here.
- -Yeah, this is where he is.
- 1166
- 01:06:33,364 --> 01:06:35,700
- -Yeah. So rock has become air.
- -Yeah.
- 1167
- 01:06:38,744 --> 01:06:40,705
- -Let's sit down a minute, relax.
- -Well, this is...
- 1168
- 01:06:41,330 --> 01:06:44,834
- -Yes, it's not every day...
- - Kerouac, he honored life.
- 1169
- 01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:48,963
- I had to read everything again,
- that Kerouac wrote.
- 1170
- 01:06:49,046 --> 01:06:51,882
- Not that I did,
- but I thought about it differently.
- 1171
- 01:06:52,425 --> 01:06:54,301
- All of a sudden, On the Road,
- 1172
- 01:06:55,761 --> 01:06:57,680
- he was talking about the road of life.
- 1173
- 01:07:07,231 --> 01:07:09,025
- "Strange now to think of you,
- 1174
- 01:07:09,108 --> 01:07:11,235
- gone without corsets and eyes,
- 1175
- 01:07:11,318 --> 01:07:13,112
- while I walk
- on the sunny pavement
- 1176
- 01:07:13,195 --> 01:07:14,405
- of Greenwich Village,
- 1177
- 01:07:15,197 --> 01:07:16,782
- downtown Manhattan,
- 1178
- 01:07:17,033 --> 01:07:18,242
- clear winter noon,
- 1179
- 01:07:18,576 --> 01:07:20,578
- and I've been up all night talking,
- 1180
- 01:07:20,661 --> 01:07:21,662
- talking,
- 1181
- 01:07:21,746 --> 01:07:23,247
- reading the Kaddish aloud,
- 1182
- 01:07:23,664 --> 01:07:25,166
- listening to Ray Charles
- 1183
- 01:07:25,249 --> 01:07:27,752
- blues shout blind on the phonograph
- 1184
- 01:07:28,169 --> 01:07:29,962
- The rhythm, the rhythm
- 1185
- 01:07:30,629 --> 01:07:32,798
- and your memory in my head..."
- "like a poem in the dark--
- 1186
- 01:07:32,965 --> 01:07:35,301
- escaped back to Oblivion--
- 1187
- 01:07:35,926 --> 01:07:37,178
- No more to say,
- 1188
- 01:07:37,261 --> 01:07:40,723
- and nothing to weep for
- but the Beings in the Dream,
- 1189
- 01:07:40,806 --> 01:07:42,516
- trapped in its disappearance,
- 1190
- 01:07:43,017 --> 01:07:43,893
- sighing,
- 1191
- 01:07:44,268 --> 01:07:45,227
- screaming with it,
- 1192
- 01:07:45,603 --> 01:07:48,856
- buying and selling pieces of phantom,
- 1193
- 01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:51,525
- laughing and weeping over mahjong,
- 1194
- 01:07:51,776 --> 01:07:53,444
- worshipping each other,
- 1195
- 01:07:53,611 --> 01:07:56,072
- worshipping the God included in it all--
- 1196
- 01:07:56,447 --> 01:07:58,908
- longing or inevitability?--
- 1197
- 01:07:59,116 --> 01:08:01,327
- while it lasts, a Vision--
- 1198
- 01:08:01,786 --> 01:08:05,164
- Death, stay thy phantoms!
- 1199
- 01:08:05,748 --> 01:08:08,292
- O mother
- what have I left out
- 1200
- 01:08:08,876 --> 01:08:11,420
- O mother
- what have I forgotten
- 1201
- 01:08:11,796 --> 01:08:14,465
- O mother
- farewell
- 1202
- 01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:16,801
- with a long black shoe
- 1203
- 01:08:17,301 --> 01:08:19,720
- farewell
- with Communist Party
- 1204
- 01:08:19,804 --> 01:08:21,305
- and a broken stocking
- 1205
- 01:08:21,764 --> 01:08:23,933
- farewell
- with six dark hairs
- 1206
- 01:08:24,016 --> 01:08:25,684
- on the wen of your breast
- 1207
- 01:08:26,185 --> 01:08:28,562
- farewell
- with your old dress
- 1208
- 01:08:28,646 --> 01:08:31,649
- and a long black beard around the vagina
- 1209
- 01:08:32,066 --> 01:08:35,569
- with your eyes
- with your eyes of Russia
- 1210
- 01:08:35,653 --> 01:08:37,822
- with your eyes of no money
- 1211
- 01:08:37,947 --> 01:08:40,241
- with your eyes of Aunt Elanor
- 1212
- 01:08:40,533 --> 01:08:42,326
- with your eyes of shock
- 1213
- 01:08:42,618 --> 01:08:44,829
- with your eyes of lobotomy
- 1214
- 01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:49,583
- with your eyes of divorce
- with your eyes of stroke
- 1215
- 01:08:49,792 --> 01:08:52,002
- with your eyes alone
- 1216
- 01:08:52,169 --> 01:08:53,337
- with your eyes
- 1217
- 01:08:53,754 --> 01:08:54,964
- with your eyes
- 1218
- 01:08:55,214 --> 01:08:57,883
- with your death full of flowers."
- 1219
- 01:09:20,406 --> 01:09:23,701
- ♪ She walks alone
- Through the city blocks ♪
- 1220
- 01:09:24,493 --> 01:09:27,705
- ♪ Oh, hears the tickin' of the clocks ♪
- 1221
- 01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:31,625
- ♪ Hunts for her by the waterfront docks ♪
- 1222
- 01:09:31,834 --> 01:09:34,670
- ♪ Where the sailors all come in ♪
- 1223
- 01:09:35,838 --> 01:09:38,340
- ♪ Maybe he'll see her there once again ♪
- 1224
- 01:09:39,592 --> 01:09:42,803
- ♪ How long must he wait? ♪
- 1225
- 01:09:44,638 --> 01:09:48,976
- ♪ One more time
- For a simple twist of fate ♪
- 1226
- 01:09:52,021 --> 01:09:53,981
- Tell me a bit
- about the spirit of the tour.
- 1227
- 01:09:54,064 --> 01:09:56,442
- -'Cause you're doing new songs, right?
- - Yeah.
- 1228
- 01:09:56,525 --> 01:09:59,528
- And a lot of people in
- the audience expected the old songs.
- 1229
- 01:09:59,612 --> 01:10:01,405
- But Ratso, you know,
- that's the first--
- 1230
- 01:10:01,488 --> 01:10:03,324
- -one of the first rules--
- - What's that?
- 1231
- 01:10:03,407 --> 01:10:04,783
- The expectations, you know?
- 1232
- 01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:07,369
- If you have big expectations,
- you're gonna be let down.
- 1233
- 01:10:07,453 --> 01:10:09,371
- You can't have any expectations.
- 1234
- 01:10:09,455 --> 01:10:11,123
- But people do
- have preconceptions.
- 1235
- 01:10:11,207 --> 01:10:13,918
- That's their problem, Ratso.
- That's their own problem.
- 1236
- 01:10:14,001 --> 01:10:16,587
- We can't account for everybody
- who's walking around, you know?
- 1237
- 01:10:16,670 --> 01:10:18,088
- Like having expectations.
- 1238
- 01:10:18,172 --> 01:10:19,590
- I mean, who gives a shit?
- 1239
- 01:10:19,673 --> 01:10:20,841
- Yeah.
- 1240
- 01:10:20,925 --> 01:10:24,094
- ♪ They sat together in the park ♪
- 1241
- 01:10:25,137 --> 01:10:27,723
- ♪ As the evening sky got dark ♪
- 1242
- 01:10:28,933 --> 01:10:31,477
- ♪ She looked at him and he felt a spark ♪
- 1243
- 01:10:32,853 --> 01:10:35,356
- ♪ Tingle to his bones ♪
- 1244
- 01:10:36,774 --> 01:10:39,360
- ♪ 'Twas then he felt alone ♪
- 1245
- 01:10:40,611 --> 01:10:43,739
- ♪ And he wished he'd gone straight ♪
- 1246
- 01:10:44,990 --> 01:10:49,828
- ♪ And watched out
- For a simple twist of fate ♪
- 1247
- 01:10:53,874 --> 01:10:56,919
- ♪ They walked along by the old canal ♪
- 1248
- 01:10:57,962 --> 01:11:00,714
- ♪ A little confused, I remember well ♪
- 1249
- 01:11:02,091 --> 01:11:04,885
- ♪ And stopped into a strange hotel ♪
- 1250
- 01:11:05,469 --> 01:11:08,430
- ♪ With a neon burnin' bright ♪
- 1251
- 01:11:09,598 --> 01:11:12,601
- ♪ He felt the heat of the night ♪
- 1252
- 01:11:13,519 --> 01:11:17,731
- ♪ Hit him like a freight train ♪
- 1253
- 01:11:18,023 --> 01:11:22,778
- ♪ Moving with a simple twist of fate ♪
- 1254
- 01:11:26,907 --> 01:11:29,952
- ♪ A saxophone someplace softly played ♪
- 1255
- 01:11:30,869 --> 01:11:33,831
- ♪ As she was walkin' on by the arcade ♪
- 1256
- 01:11:34,999 --> 01:11:37,876
- ♪ She heard the melody rise and fade ♪
- 1257
- 01:11:38,585 --> 01:11:41,380
- ♪ The sun was coming up ♪
- 1258
- 01:11:42,214 --> 01:11:45,551
- ♪ She dropped a coin into the cup ♪
- 1259
- 01:11:46,343 --> 01:11:49,680
- ♪ Of a blind man at the gate ♪
- 1260
- 01:11:50,681 --> 01:11:55,686
- ♪ And forgot about
- A simple twist of fate ♪
- 1261
- 01:12:00,024 --> 01:12:03,110
- ♪ He woke up, she was gone ♪
- 1262
- 01:12:03,902 --> 01:12:06,739
- ♪ He didn't see nothing but the dawn ♪
- 1263
- 01:12:07,906 --> 01:12:11,076
- ♪ He got out of bed
- And put his clothes back on ♪
- 1264
- 01:12:12,161 --> 01:12:14,288
- ♪ Pushed back the blinds ♪
- 1265
- 01:12:15,247 --> 01:12:18,292
- ♪ Found a note she'd left behind ♪
- 1266
- 01:12:19,126 --> 01:12:22,629
- ♪ To which he just could not relate ♪
- 1267
- 01:12:24,214 --> 01:12:28,469
- ♪ All about a simple twist of fate ♪
- 1268
- 01:12:34,391 --> 01:12:37,853
- ♪ He hears the ticking of the clocks ♪
- 1269
- 01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,024
- ♪ And walks alone
- Through the city blocks ♪
- 1270
- 01:12:42,649 --> 01:12:45,861
- ♪ Hunts her down by the waterfront docks ♪
- 1271
- 01:12:45,944 --> 01:12:48,947
- ♪ Where the sailors all roll in ♪
- 1272
- 01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:52,993
- ♪ Maybe he'll spot her once again ♪
- 1273
- 01:12:53,494 --> 01:12:57,206
- ♪ How long must he wait? ♪
- 1274
- 01:12:58,791 --> 01:13:03,337
- ♪ One more time
- For a simple twist of fate ♪
- 1275
- 01:13:07,549 --> 01:13:10,177
- ♪ People tell me it's a crime ♪
- 1276
- 01:13:11,428 --> 01:13:14,640
- ♪ To know too much for too long a time ♪
- 1277
- 01:13:15,724 --> 01:13:18,977
- ♪ She should've caught me in my prime ♪
- 1278
- 01:13:19,728 --> 01:13:22,106
- ♪ She would've stayed with me ♪
- 1279
- 01:13:22,773 --> 01:13:26,026
- ♪ Instead I'm going off to sea ♪
- 1280
- 01:13:26,652 --> 01:13:30,531
- ♪ And leaving me to meditate ♪
- 1281
- 01:13:31,824 --> 01:13:37,079
- ♪ Upon that simple twist of fate ♪
- 1282
- 01:14:27,504 --> 01:14:30,924
- I shall resign the presidency
- effective at noon tomorrow.
- 1283
- 01:14:31,008 --> 01:14:33,927
- Vice President Ford will be sworn in
- as president
- 1284
- 01:14:34,428 --> 01:14:37,055
- at that hour in this office.
- 1285
- 01:14:37,139 --> 01:14:40,851
- ♪ I dreamed I saw Saint Augustine ♪
- 1286
- 01:14:40,976 --> 01:14:43,896
- ♪ Alive as you or me...♪
- 1287
- 01:14:44,188 --> 01:14:47,274
- Thomas Jefferson said,
- "The people...
- 1288
- 01:14:48,108 --> 01:14:52,821
- are the only sure reliance
- for the preservation of our liberty."
- 1289
- 01:14:52,905 --> 01:14:56,867
- ♪ With a blanket underneath his arm ♪
- 1290
- 01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:58,994
- ♪ And a coat of solid gold... ♪
- 1291
- 01:14:59,077 --> 01:15:02,831
- Abraham Lincoln renewed
- this American article of faith
- 1292
- 01:15:02,915 --> 01:15:08,003
- asking, "Is there any better way
- or equal hope in the world?"
- 1293
- 01:15:08,128 --> 01:15:09,129
- Go!
- 1294
- 01:15:09,213 --> 01:15:10,964
- Everybody get out of the way, now!
- 1295
- 01:15:11,131 --> 01:15:11,965
- Get down!
- 1296
- 01:15:12,341 --> 01:15:13,383
- Get out of the way!
- 1297
- 01:15:16,136 --> 01:15:19,389
- ♪ Come out ye gifted kings and queens... ♪
- 1298
- 01:15:19,473 --> 01:15:22,976
- We've got too many people
- who are knocking every institution,
- 1299
- 01:15:23,143 --> 01:15:25,521
- including the Congress, the president,
- the flag,
- 1300
- 01:15:25,604 --> 01:15:26,438
- everything.
- 1301
- 01:15:26,813 --> 01:15:28,398
- I think it's time to stand up and say,
- 1302
- 01:15:28,482 --> 01:15:31,527
- "Well, we believe in these institutions,
- and we believe in America."
- 1303
- 01:15:32,236 --> 01:15:34,154
- And I think America ought to sing
- a little bit.
- 1304
- 01:15:34,238 --> 01:15:35,822
- ♪ ...accordingly ♪
- 1305
- 01:15:35,906 --> 01:15:40,786
- ♪ And know you're not alone ♪
- 1306
- 01:15:44,248 --> 01:15:46,792
- Now, we're talking about
- Bob Dylan the man,
- 1307
- 01:15:46,917 --> 01:15:49,836
- that's who we're talking about,
- the message he preaches when he sings...
- 1308
- 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,172
- -You can't use microscopes on everything.
- -The happiness...
- 1309
- 01:15:52,256 --> 01:15:53,549
- You're not using microscopes.
- 1310
- 01:15:53,632 --> 01:15:56,426
- -You can't use a scalpel that way.
- -You're using the message.
- 1311
- 01:15:56,969 --> 01:15:58,971
- I thought it was sort of depressing...
- 1312
- 01:15:59,555 --> 01:16:02,683
- that people would stand in line
- for two days to see a man.
- 1313
- 01:16:02,766 --> 01:16:04,142
- It just so-- shows...
- 1314
- 01:16:05,894 --> 01:16:08,564
- they have that need for something
- or somebody to...
- 1315
- 01:16:10,816 --> 01:16:13,318
- bring salvation or something. You know?
- 1316
- 01:16:13,986 --> 01:16:15,153
- But I did it, too.
- 1317
- 01:16:16,196 --> 01:16:17,030
- I don't know.
- 1318
- 01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:20,033
- About five in the afternoon,
- the day before the show, right?
- 1319
- 01:16:20,117 --> 01:16:20,993
- -Yeah.
- -You were there,
- 1320
- 01:16:21,076 --> 01:16:23,579
- you'd been there for a couple of days,
- you hit on me right away.
- 1321
- 01:16:23,662 --> 01:16:25,205
- You said you wanted this button, right?
- 1322
- 01:16:25,289 --> 01:16:26,957
- Thought I was Dylan
- or some shit like that.
- 1323
- 01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,584
- -Yeah, right. Mm-hmm.
- -Yeah.
- 1324
- 01:16:29,167 --> 01:16:31,336
- A lot of people think you are, Larry.
- 1325
- 01:16:31,753 --> 01:16:34,256
- Well, it's pretty obvious.
- 1326
- 01:16:34,339 --> 01:16:36,341
- Take your glasses off
- for a minute.
- 1327
- 01:16:37,467 --> 01:16:39,511
- -I'm not him.
- - Well, anyways...
- 1328
- 01:16:39,636 --> 01:16:42,806
- That little shit Ratso,
- he was the worst.
- 1329
- 01:16:42,889 --> 01:16:45,517
- He dressed like Dylan,
- he tried to talk like Dylan,
- 1330
- 01:16:45,601 --> 01:16:47,561
- always trying to ingratiate himself.
- 1331
- 01:16:47,644 --> 01:16:49,104
- He thought he was Hunter Thompson
- 1332
- 01:16:49,187 --> 01:16:51,481
- just because he was writing
- for Rolling Stone.
- 1333
- 01:16:51,565 --> 01:16:54,276
- He didn't want anyone else
- with vision around.
- 1334
- 01:16:55,235 --> 01:16:57,279
- Did he wind up
- causing problems for you?
- 1335
- 01:16:57,362 --> 01:16:58,363
- Please.
- 1336
- 01:16:58,655 --> 01:17:01,450
- Does the cockroach really cause problems
- for the house?
- 1337
- 01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:03,368
- No, it's just a nuisance.
- 1338
- 01:17:03,702 --> 01:17:05,871
- Van Dorp was an unusual guy.
- 1339
- 01:17:06,455 --> 01:17:09,416
- He's one of those kind of people
- who's trying to... just needs an enemy.
- 1340
- 01:17:09,499 --> 01:17:10,334
- And...
- 1341
- 01:17:10,542 --> 01:17:13,420
- uh, he was trying to make enemies
- where there weren't any,
- 1342
- 01:17:13,670 --> 01:17:16,256
- and, uh, he-- he was--
- 1343
- 01:17:16,340 --> 01:17:17,966
- he was successful at that.
- 1344
- 01:17:20,052 --> 01:17:23,764
- He-- He angered a lot--
- lots of people, especially in catering.
- 1345
- 01:17:23,847 --> 01:17:26,975
- He would eat two or three, uh, meals
- 1346
- 01:17:27,142 --> 01:17:30,437
- that really...
- really were for somebody else.
- 1347
- 01:17:31,813 --> 01:17:34,441
- So, he ate more than he was supposed to,
- 1348
- 01:17:35,025 --> 01:17:36,985
- and I think-- and I think he...
- 1349
- 01:17:39,529 --> 01:17:43,950
- ...uh, I think he stuck his nose in places
- it might've should not have been.
- 1350
- 01:17:45,661 --> 01:17:47,496
- He was also a very paranoid person.
- 1351
- 01:17:48,246 --> 01:17:50,540
- Complained to people
- that his room was bugged.
- 1352
- 01:17:51,708 --> 01:17:54,961
- Uh, which, you know,
- McGuinn was on that tour,
- 1353
- 01:17:55,170 --> 01:18:00,384
- and McGuinn who at that point was into,
- uh, very sophisticated electronics.
- 1354
- 01:18:00,467 --> 01:18:02,469
- So I'm not saying it wasn't bugged but...
- 1355
- 01:18:03,261 --> 01:18:05,430
- but I'm not saying that it was bugged,
- 1356
- 01:18:05,514 --> 01:18:07,099
- because I don't know that for a fact.
- 1357
- 01:18:07,182 --> 01:18:09,267
- All tickets are $8.50 a ticket.
- 1358
- 01:18:10,018 --> 01:18:11,937
- What were the audiences like...
- 1359
- 01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:13,105
- that you played to?
- 1360
- 01:18:15,357 --> 01:18:17,609
- Well, they would all be...
- 1361
- 01:18:18,652 --> 01:18:19,820
- hysterically happy.
- 1362
- 01:18:20,404 --> 01:18:22,155
- So, I mean, you can't really judge much
- 1363
- 01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:24,282
- from saying,
- "What would the audiences be like?"
- 1364
- 01:18:24,366 --> 01:18:27,536
- They would all be people who would've
- slit each other's throats to get there.
- 1365
- 01:18:32,624 --> 01:18:35,877
- - What a lovely couple!
- 1366
- 01:18:38,422 --> 01:18:41,466
- -Don't make myths. A couple of what?
- -A couple of what?
- 1367
- 01:18:52,519 --> 01:18:57,190
- ♪ They say ev'rything can be replaced ♪
- 1368
- 01:19:00,444 --> 01:19:04,322
- ♪ That ev'ry distance is not near ♪
- 1369
- 01:19:07,701 --> 01:19:11,872
- ♪ So I remember ev'ry face ♪
- 1370
- 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,045
- ♪ Of ev'ry man who put me here ♪
- 1371
- 01:19:19,588 --> 01:19:21,757
- Joan Baez
- and me could sing anything.
- 1372
- 01:19:22,632 --> 01:19:24,551
- We could sing together in our sleep.
- 1373
- 01:19:25,427 --> 01:19:26,553
- As a matter of fact,
- 1374
- 01:19:27,095 --> 01:19:29,931
- lot of times when I was sleeping,
- I'd hear her voice.
- 1375
- 01:19:32,142 --> 01:19:35,896
- ♪ Yonder down here in this lonely crowd ♪
- 1376
- 01:19:39,649 --> 01:19:43,904
- ♪ Is a man who swears he's not to blame ♪
- 1377
- 01:19:47,491 --> 01:19:51,953
- ♪ All day long I hear him shouting loud ♪
- 1378
- 01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:59,044
- ♪ Crying out that he been framed ♪
- 1379
- 01:20:01,630 --> 01:20:03,006
- ♪ I see my light... ♪
- 1380
- 01:20:03,131 --> 01:20:05,133
- Joan was so courageous.
- 1381
- 01:20:06,092 --> 01:20:07,010
- Self-disciplined.
- 1382
- 01:20:08,011 --> 01:20:11,264
- When I first met her, it seemed like
- she'd come down to Earth from a meteorite.
- 1383
- 01:20:11,890 --> 01:20:12,849
- And she's never changed.
- 1384
- 01:20:12,933 --> 01:20:15,852
- She always seems like she's just come down
- from a meteorite.
- 1385
- 01:20:20,482 --> 01:20:23,318
- You had no reservations
- about going on tour?
- 1386
- 01:20:24,152 --> 01:20:24,986
- Well...
- 1387
- 01:20:25,654 --> 01:20:27,030
- Sure.
- 1388
- 01:20:27,781 --> 01:20:28,615
- I mean...
- 1389
- 01:20:29,533 --> 01:20:34,579
- I think it probably sounded like... fun,
- but I also had experienced Dylan,
- 1390
- 01:20:34,913 --> 01:20:38,500
- and, you know, how much fun
- that can be on any tour or not.
- 1391
- 01:20:38,959 --> 01:20:39,876
- So, um...
- 1392
- 01:20:40,418 --> 01:20:43,630
- But I think, know-- knowing
- that it was gonna be a lot of people,
- 1393
- 01:20:43,713 --> 01:20:46,842
- and I was gonna have my own family
- with me...
- 1394
- 01:20:51,638 --> 01:20:54,391
- It sounded exciting, you know.
- 1395
- 01:21:04,401 --> 01:21:06,027
- I had my own freedom...
- 1396
- 01:21:06,111 --> 01:21:09,865
- to sing and dance in a way
- that I didn't do on my own stage.
- 1397
- 01:21:16,830 --> 01:21:18,707
- Maybe there wasn't enough
- for her to do
- 1398
- 01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:20,417
- and she'd begin to go a little stir-crazy.
- 1399
- 01:21:20,500 --> 01:21:21,376
- Started doing, uh...
- 1400
- 01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:25,422
- boogaloo and hanging out with people
- maybe she shouldn't be hanging out with,
- 1401
- 01:21:25,505 --> 01:21:26,506
- and, um...
- 1402
- 01:21:27,299 --> 01:21:28,258
- Ugh.
- 1403
- 01:21:29,593 --> 01:21:30,927
- I don't know what happened.
- 1404
- 01:21:32,387 --> 01:21:34,890
- Boy, sitting right next to Bob Dylan, man.
- Whew.
- 1405
- 01:21:34,973 --> 01:21:37,017
- I got a light if you got a smoke.
- 1406
- 01:21:37,726 --> 01:21:40,103
- One time,
- I got all dressed up as Bob,
- 1407
- 01:21:40,186 --> 01:21:41,855
- which I would do periodically.
- 1408
- 01:21:42,063 --> 01:21:45,567
- I used to put these little beard markings
- all over and have a mustache on.
- 1409
- 01:21:45,901 --> 01:21:48,028
- And then I'd put his hat on
- 1410
- 01:21:48,570 --> 01:21:49,863
- and some whiteface.
- 1411
- 01:21:50,155 --> 01:21:52,240
- ♪ All the time you dress so fine ♪
- 1412
- 01:21:53,617 --> 01:21:56,745
- ♪ Threw the bums a dime in your prime... ♪
- 1413
- 01:21:56,828 --> 01:21:59,623
- I walked over with nobody really
- paying attention,
- 1414
- 01:21:59,706 --> 01:22:01,166
- and I'd be Bob.
- 1415
- 01:22:01,666 --> 01:22:05,003
- And there was this table of,
- like, food and catering and coffee,
- 1416
- 01:22:05,337 --> 01:22:07,213
- and Louie was there, and I said...
- 1417
- 01:22:07,297 --> 01:22:09,215
- "Handsome, give me some coffee."
- 1418
- 01:22:09,966 --> 01:22:12,552
- Instantly,
- people got me some coffee like that.
- 1419
- 01:22:13,136 --> 01:22:16,014
- "D'you want this? D'you want this?
- You want milk? Do you want sugar?"
- 1420
- 01:22:16,097 --> 01:22:18,934
- And I just had a cigarette in my hand,
- going like that,
- 1421
- 01:22:19,017 --> 01:22:21,019
- and they treated me
- the way they treat Bob.
- 1422
- 01:22:21,102 --> 01:22:23,063
- "D'you want this? D'you want that?
- What can we do?"
- 1423
- 01:22:23,146 --> 01:22:24,272
- It was amazing.
- 1424
- 01:22:24,981 --> 01:22:27,859
- It was amazing
- until finally I said something like,
- 1425
- 01:22:27,943 --> 01:22:31,196
- "Oh, for Christ sake, Louie."
- And then he realized.
- 1426
- 01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:34,366
- Oh, yeah, and I had a little wig on
- with my hair coming out underneath it.
- 1427
- 01:22:34,658 --> 01:22:36,910
- Terrible.
- 1428
- 01:22:40,330 --> 01:22:43,625
- It's like the court of Henry VIII
- or something, you know?
- 1429
- 01:22:43,833 --> 01:22:46,836
- Who's Anne Boleyn, you know?
- Which one is gonna get the ax, you know?
- 1430
- 01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,465
- You know what I mean?
- You know, there's that kind of dynamic.
- 1431
- 01:22:50,548 --> 01:22:52,884
- And people are maneuvering to get closer,
- 1432
- 01:22:52,968 --> 01:22:55,804
- and then there are the people
- who are using you to maneuver.
- 1433
- 01:22:56,137 --> 01:22:58,974
- David Mansfield wanted to sing a song
- with me, uh...
- 1434
- 01:22:59,182 --> 01:23:00,934
- Ugh. God.
- 1435
- 01:23:01,226 --> 01:23:03,687
- That, uh, a drummer did.
- 1436
- 01:23:03,812 --> 01:23:06,022
- I didn't see what the point of it all was.
- 1437
- 01:23:07,691 --> 01:23:11,069
- - What does makeup do for you?
- -I don't know.
- 1438
- 01:23:11,152 --> 01:23:13,780
- Just hides, you know, the ugliness
- a little bit.
- 1439
- 01:23:16,032 --> 01:23:19,828
- Everyone, of course, you know,
- wanted their shot,
- 1440
- 01:23:19,911 --> 01:23:21,454
- wanted their time in the sun.
- 1441
- 01:23:22,330 --> 01:23:24,582
- But we all know that, you know,
- you have to...
- 1442
- 01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,543
- give for the good of the show.
- 1443
- 01:23:26,668 --> 01:23:28,753
- And it was such an honor to be there,
- 1444
- 01:23:29,838 --> 01:23:31,297
- so that was no problem.
- 1445
- 01:23:36,094 --> 01:23:38,680
- Who were the people
- you were closest with on the tour?
- 1446
- 01:23:38,763 --> 01:23:41,558
- I know this sounds funny,
- but I felt close to Bob.
- 1447
- 01:23:42,058 --> 01:23:45,145
- I just always felt close to him
- from the moment I met him.
- 1448
- 01:23:45,353 --> 01:23:48,273
- Um, I'm sure many people
- that feel that way.
- 1449
- 01:23:49,107 --> 01:23:50,108
- Um...
- 1450
- 01:23:50,942 --> 01:23:54,070
- I know Mick Ronson told me, however,
- when I said, um...
- 1451
- 01:23:54,988 --> 01:23:57,282
- you know, "Don't you love Bob?"
- and he said, "I don't know.
- 1452
- 01:23:57,365 --> 01:23:58,616
- He's never spoken to me."
- 1453
- 01:24:00,118 --> 01:24:03,371
- Um, and then once we were
- in Massachusetts,
- 1454
- 01:24:03,913 --> 01:24:05,540
- and people were about to arrive.
- 1455
- 01:24:05,623 --> 01:24:08,501
- I don't know who they were,
- but not our little group.
- 1456
- 01:24:09,002 --> 01:24:12,380
- Bob and I were alone in the basement,
- and Bob said, "Ronee, help."
- 1457
- 01:24:12,714 --> 01:24:13,923
- And I said, "Help what?"
- 1458
- 01:24:15,175 --> 01:24:19,137
- And-- And I felt so bad about that
- afterwards because I didn't mean to be...
- 1459
- 01:24:19,846 --> 01:24:23,850
- cruel or thoughtless to Bob,
- but I always thought, you know,
- 1460
- 01:24:23,933 --> 01:24:25,935
- I had to treat him
- just like a regular person
- 1461
- 01:24:26,019 --> 01:24:27,896
- if I were going to be friends with him.
- 1462
- 01:24:29,814 --> 01:24:33,777
- But later on, I understood a little more
- what he might be asking help for.
- 1463
- 01:24:34,027 --> 01:24:35,361
- What was he asking help for?
- 1464
- 01:24:35,445 --> 01:24:37,280
- I think the onslaught of strangers.
- 1465
- 01:24:39,157 --> 01:24:41,076
- Hello, take my picture, please!
- 1466
- 01:24:41,493 --> 01:24:42,577
- Hiya, man.
- 1467
- 01:24:47,957 --> 01:24:52,796
- I was in the park
- with another one of my modeling jobs.
- 1468
- 01:24:53,421 --> 01:24:55,423
- Of course, the whole park is full
- of everybody doing
- 1469
- 01:24:55,507 --> 01:24:59,511
- whatever they're doing,
- and suddenly I hear, "Hey, Kiss,"
- 1470
- 01:24:59,928 --> 01:25:01,888
- and I'm just, of course, mortified.
- 1471
- 01:25:01,971 --> 01:25:03,389
- And then I realize...
- 1472
- 01:25:03,973 --> 01:25:05,350
- that it's him.
- 1473
- 01:25:05,767 --> 01:25:08,436
- So, of course, I'm even more mortified.
- 1474
- 01:25:09,938 --> 01:25:12,065
- I think I met her with her mother.
- 1475
- 01:25:12,190 --> 01:25:13,316
- She was a nice girl.
- 1476
- 01:25:13,608 --> 01:25:14,442
- Uh...
- 1477
- 01:25:15,527 --> 01:25:17,278
- She was so young, anyway, you know.
- 1478
- 01:25:18,822 --> 01:25:20,323
- But she seemed old for her age.
- 1479
- 01:25:22,575 --> 01:25:24,869
- Everybody wants
- to be a movie star...
- 1480
- 01:25:25,036 --> 01:25:25,912
- don't they?
- 1481
- 01:25:26,955 --> 01:25:29,749
- But, you know, when you live
- in the middle of nowhere,
- 1482
- 01:25:29,833 --> 01:25:32,544
- when you tell somebody you wanna be
- a movie star, they think you're...
- 1483
- 01:25:33,294 --> 01:25:34,129
- insane.
- 1484
- 01:25:36,005 --> 01:25:38,133
- She, uh, used to tell me,
- 1485
- 01:25:38,216 --> 01:25:40,718
- uh, someday
- she's going to be a famous actress.
- 1486
- 01:25:41,511 --> 01:25:42,470
- Uh, okay.
- 1487
- 01:25:43,263 --> 01:25:45,807
- A couple of days later he said, um...
- 1488
- 01:25:47,183 --> 01:25:48,268
- "You know, hey...
- 1489
- 01:25:49,686 --> 01:25:53,439
- how about if you just
- come on the road with us?"
- 1490
- 01:25:55,275 --> 01:25:58,319
- And I thought, "And do what?"
- 1491
- 01:26:01,030 --> 01:26:03,658
- "You know, you could help out
- with the costumes
- 1492
- 01:26:03,741 --> 01:26:06,369
- and help out backstage and stuff."
- 1493
- 01:26:07,453 --> 01:26:10,123
- - "Just Like a Woman."
- -What?
- 1494
- 01:26:10,540 --> 01:26:12,750
- -"Just Like a Woman"?
- - Yeah!
- 1495
- 01:26:12,834 --> 01:26:15,170
- -Do we know that song?
- - I don't know, we could fake it.
- 1496
- 01:26:15,378 --> 01:26:17,422
- It was one of the first shows.
- 1497
- 01:26:18,256 --> 01:26:20,717
- -I was backstage.
- - ...we'll try it.
- 1498
- 01:26:21,050 --> 01:26:23,261
- Joan Baez had asked me to iron her shirt.
- 1499
- 01:26:24,387 --> 01:26:27,682
- A second later I hear, "Hey... Sharon."
- 1500
- 01:26:28,766 --> 01:26:32,854
- And there was this, um,
- really decrepit old piano
- 1501
- 01:26:32,937 --> 01:26:37,650
- shoved off to the side,
- and Bob was kinda hunched over it.
- 1502
- 01:26:37,942 --> 01:26:40,069
- And he gives me that-- that look.
- 1503
- 01:26:41,613 --> 01:26:44,324
- He's like, "I wrote a song about you."
- 1504
- 01:26:44,824 --> 01:26:49,746
- ♪ Nobody feels any pain ♪
- 1505
- 01:26:52,248 --> 01:26:57,003
- ♪ Tonight as I stand inside the rain ♪
- 1506
- 01:26:58,254 --> 01:27:00,131
- And then he gets to the line...
- 1507
- 01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:06,179
- ♪ And she makes love just like a woman ♪
- 1508
- 01:27:08,014 --> 01:27:10,141
- ♪ But she breaks ♪
- 1509
- 01:27:10,767 --> 01:27:16,439
- ♪ Just like a little girl ♪
- 1510
- 01:27:18,608 --> 01:27:23,738
- I just broke out crying. You know?
- Full-on tears.
- 1511
- 01:27:23,947 --> 01:27:26,991
- I get-- I think T Bone's the one
- who told me that the song was...
- 1512
- 01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,619
- ten years old.
- 1513
- 01:27:29,953 --> 01:27:31,287
- "Just Like a Woman."
- 1514
- 01:27:31,371 --> 01:27:33,289
- - Yeah!
- 1515
- 01:27:33,748 --> 01:27:35,083
- What's just like a woman?
- 1516
- 01:27:35,375 --> 01:27:36,626
- What's just like a woman?
- 1517
- 01:27:36,751 --> 01:27:39,379
- - Nothin' like a woman.
- 1518
- 01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:46,970
- Do a protest song!
- 1519
- 01:27:51,933 --> 01:27:53,393
- Yeah, here's the one for you.
- 1520
- 01:28:19,252 --> 01:28:24,257
- ♪ Oh, sister, when I come
- To lie in your arms ♪
- 1521
- 01:28:26,426 --> 01:28:31,055
- ♪ You should not treat me
- Like a stranger ♪
- 1522
- 01:28:33,599 --> 01:28:39,439
- ♪ Our Father would not like
- The way that you act ♪
- 1523
- 01:28:40,732 --> 01:28:45,778
- ♪ And you must realize the danger ♪
- 1524
- 01:29:16,601 --> 01:29:21,356
- ♪ Oh, sister, am I not a brother to you ♪
- 1525
- 01:29:23,733 --> 01:29:29,072
- ♪ And one deserving of affection? ♪
- 1526
- 01:29:31,032 --> 01:29:36,371
- ♪ And is our purpose not the same
- On this earth ♪
- 1527
- 01:29:38,122 --> 01:29:43,169
- ♪ To love and follow His direction? ♪
- 1528
- 01:30:13,491 --> 01:30:15,952
- ♪ We grew up together ♪
- 1529
- 01:30:16,244 --> 01:30:19,205
- ♪ From the cradle to the grave ♪
- 1530
- 01:30:20,289 --> 01:30:22,959
- ♪ We died and were reborn ♪
- 1531
- 01:30:23,167 --> 01:30:30,133
- ♪ And then mysteriously saved ♪
- 1532
- 01:30:35,972 --> 01:30:41,185
- ♪ Oh, sister, when I come
- To knock on your door ♪
- 1533
- 01:30:42,937 --> 01:30:48,025
- ♪ Don't turn away, you'll create sorrow ♪
- 1534
- 01:30:49,944 --> 01:30:55,241
- ♪ Time is an ocean
- But it ends at the shore ♪
- 1535
- 01:30:56,993 --> 01:31:01,622
- ♪ You may not see me tomorrow ♪
- 1536
- 01:31:40,786 --> 01:31:42,830
- Bob Dylan for president!
- 1537
- 01:31:45,500 --> 01:31:47,084
- President of what?
- 1538
- 01:31:49,587 --> 01:31:52,131
- Was he in a special mode
- of singing at that time?
- 1539
- 01:31:52,215 --> 01:31:54,175
- Was he different
- than you'd seen him before?
- 1540
- 01:31:54,258 --> 01:31:56,385
- It was-- There was
- a Rolling Thunder energy.
- 1541
- 01:31:57,053 --> 01:32:00,223
- That was his invention, you know,
- and all these people showed up.
- 1542
- 01:32:00,848 --> 01:32:01,724
- So, yeah.
- 1543
- 01:32:05,186 --> 01:32:07,647
- -What do you got, Larry?
- - The tour was very open-ended,
- 1544
- 01:32:07,730 --> 01:32:10,066
- so whatever city they went to,
- 1545
- 01:32:10,358 --> 01:32:12,485
- if there was a local friend and musician,
- 1546
- 01:32:12,777 --> 01:32:14,820
- there would be a slot for them
- to come up and play.
- 1547
- 01:32:14,904 --> 01:32:17,573
- For example, uh, in Connecticut,
- Joni Mitchell...
- 1548
- 01:32:18,157 --> 01:32:20,076
- came up, did a couple of songs,
- 1549
- 01:32:20,368 --> 01:32:22,870
- and loved it so much that she stayed on
- for the rest of the tour.
- 1550
- 01:32:22,954 --> 01:32:25,289
- She just became part of the...
- this experience.
- 1551
- 01:32:30,753 --> 01:32:32,880
- How did you two end up on the road?
- 1552
- 01:32:32,964 --> 01:32:34,423
- -I don't know--
- -I came through Allen.
- 1553
- 01:32:34,507 --> 01:32:36,133
- She came through Allen Ginsberg.
- 1554
- 01:32:36,467 --> 01:32:39,428
- Um... I had finished a project and...
- 1555
- 01:32:40,137 --> 01:32:40,972
- was, you know,
- 1556
- 01:32:41,055 --> 01:32:42,765
- in a kind of a postnatal state
- 1557
- 01:32:42,848 --> 01:32:45,560
- and wanted to come and see a concert,
- 1558
- 01:32:45,643 --> 01:32:48,312
- and, uh, got sucked into it.
- 1559
- 01:32:48,396 --> 01:32:50,982
- You know, just shelved everything that...
- 1560
- 01:32:51,524 --> 01:32:54,652
- Everything else seemed, uh,
- minorly important
- 1561
- 01:32:54,735 --> 01:32:56,988
- compared to this, like, as an experience,
- 1562
- 01:32:57,071 --> 01:33:01,033
- and an experiment in communal existence.
- You know?
- 1563
- 01:33:01,909 --> 01:33:02,952
- What do you think?
- 1564
- 01:33:03,035 --> 01:33:05,454
- I think you've gotta come on the stage
- right now.
- 1565
- 01:33:05,538 --> 01:33:06,956
- Okay, I'm coming.
- 1566
- 01:33:08,374 --> 01:33:11,252
- ♪ Ah ♪
- 1567
- 01:33:21,846 --> 01:33:24,724
- Some days, I'd see it
- as this kind of allegorical thing
- 1568
- 01:33:24,807 --> 01:33:29,228
- or as this group of pilgrims
- on a kind of journey and quest.
- 1569
- 01:33:29,312 --> 01:33:32,857
- Of course, you-- you know, you--
- the deal is you find yourself back home,
- 1570
- 01:33:32,940 --> 01:33:34,900
- but you have to take this whole journey.
- 1571
- 01:33:35,443 --> 01:33:38,487
- And then when you open it up to, you know,
- here you are in America,
- 1572
- 01:33:38,571 --> 01:33:41,824
- and-- and all the things
- that Bob seemed to care about
- 1573
- 01:33:41,907 --> 01:33:44,493
- in terms of these other...
- the-- the folk culture
- 1574
- 01:33:44,577 --> 01:33:46,245
- is getting thrown in there.
- 1575
- 01:33:48,497 --> 01:33:50,708
- And that's another weave.
- This sort of...
- 1576
- 01:33:50,791 --> 01:33:54,211
- This-- This American yearning for,
- I don't know, redemption.
- 1577
- 01:33:55,838 --> 01:34:00,092
- ♪ ...circle be unbroken ♪
- 1578
- 01:34:00,176 --> 01:34:04,555
- ♪ By and by, Lord, by and by ♪
- 1579
- 01:34:05,556 --> 01:34:06,724
- ♪ There's a better... ♪
- 1580
- 01:34:06,807 --> 01:34:10,394
- Columbus didn't discover America.
- There were people here already.
- 1581
- 01:34:10,811 --> 01:34:14,440
- Even though they stole most everything
- they could get their hands on.
- 1582
- 01:34:15,483 --> 01:34:20,029
- Our land, children,
- women, whatever, they took it.
- 1583
- 01:34:20,821 --> 01:34:22,615
- Left us very poor people.
- 1584
- 01:34:22,865 --> 01:34:25,368
- A lot of our people homeless
- in our own country.
- 1585
- 01:34:26,285 --> 01:34:28,162
- But the best things of all,
- 1586
- 01:34:29,038 --> 01:34:30,331
- that they had no value,
- 1587
- 01:34:30,915 --> 01:34:32,458
- was our way of life.
- 1588
- 01:34:40,466 --> 01:34:43,594
- It's beautiful music
- when that thunder rolls.
- 1589
- 01:34:44,845 --> 01:34:46,764
- And that's the way I got my name.
- 1590
- 01:34:47,431 --> 01:34:50,726
- I used to scream like a little eagle
- is what they told me.
- 1591
- 01:34:50,893 --> 01:34:54,897
- Even when I was a baby in diapers,
- run right out in the storm.
- 1592
- 01:34:55,690 --> 01:34:56,649
- Yeah, I love it.
- 1593
- 01:34:57,233 --> 01:35:00,945
- And that lightning flash,
- there's a lot of power in it, I tell you.
- 1594
- 01:35:03,572 --> 01:35:05,991
- This tour was named after
- Chief Rolling Thunder.
- 1595
- 01:35:06,450 --> 01:35:11,539
- So, it made sense that we go
- to the Tuscarora Indian Reservation and...
- 1596
- 01:35:12,957 --> 01:35:13,833
- and play.
- 1597
- 01:35:14,083 --> 01:35:15,876
- We're gonna let our guests get their food.
- 1598
- 01:35:16,210 --> 01:35:19,797
- I was just told it's gonna be
- cafeteria style.
- 1599
- 01:35:20,506 --> 01:35:22,883
- Bob was seated
- right across the table from me,
- 1600
- 01:35:22,967 --> 01:35:23,801
- and he said,
- 1601
- 01:35:24,009 --> 01:35:28,389
- "You remember Peter's song
- about Ira Hayes?"
- 1602
- 01:35:29,348 --> 01:35:33,018
- And even today,
- there are things to write about...
- 1603
- 01:35:34,019 --> 01:35:36,188
- for a cowboy, and I'm a cowboy.
- 1604
- 01:35:36,772 --> 01:35:38,858
- An Indian, and I'm part Indian.
- 1605
- 01:35:39,108 --> 01:35:40,568
- Or a human being.
- 1606
- 01:35:41,402 --> 01:35:43,654
- This is a song about a human being,
- 1607
- 01:35:45,156 --> 01:35:46,741
- who is also an Indian.
- 1608
- 01:35:49,326 --> 01:35:51,412
- And if you don't remember his name,
- 1609
- 01:35:52,371 --> 01:35:55,416
- I think you may after this song.
- 1610
- 01:35:55,583 --> 01:35:58,461
- It's called Ira Hayes.
- 1611
- 01:36:04,925 --> 01:36:08,262
- -Where would you want me to stand?
- -Anywhere you want. It'll be all right.
- 1612
- 01:36:31,911 --> 01:36:35,831
- ♪ Come gather 'round me, people
- And a story I will tell ♪
- 1613
- 01:36:36,791 --> 01:36:40,836
- ♪ About Ira Hayes, an Indian
- You should remember well ♪
- 1614
- 01:36:41,962 --> 01:36:46,425
- ♪ From the tribe of Pima Indians
- A proud and a peaceful band ♪
- 1615
- 01:36:47,259 --> 01:36:51,263
- ♪ They farmed the Phoenix Valley
- In the Arizona land ♪
- 1616
- 01:36:52,807 --> 01:36:57,603
- ♪ Down their ditches for a thousand years
- The running water rushed ♪
- 1617
- 01:36:57,853 --> 01:37:00,439
- ♪ Till the white man
- Stole the water rights ♪
- 1618
- 01:37:00,523 --> 01:37:02,483
- ♪ And the running water hushed ♪
- 1619
- 01:37:05,402 --> 01:37:10,491
- ♪ Now Ira's folks were hungry
- And their farms grew crops of weeds ♪
- 1620
- 01:37:11,325 --> 01:37:16,580
- ♪ But when war came, Ira volunteered
- And forgot the white man's greed ♪
- 1621
- 01:37:17,581 --> 01:37:22,086
- ♪ Now they started up Iwo Jima hill
- With two hundred and fifty men ♪
- 1622
- 01:37:22,837 --> 01:37:27,174
- ♪ But only twenty-seven lived
- To walk back down that hill again ♪
- 1623
- 01:37:27,758 --> 01:37:32,012
- ♪ And when the fight was over
- And Old Glory raised ♪
- 1624
- 01:37:32,763 --> 01:37:36,892
- ♪ One of the men that held it high
- Was the Indian Ira Hayes ♪
- 1625
- 01:37:37,810 --> 01:37:40,521
- ♪ Call him drunken Ira Hayes ♪
- 1626
- 01:37:40,604 --> 01:37:42,606
- ♪ He won't answer anymore ♪
- 1627
- 01:37:43,357 --> 01:37:45,484
- ♪ Not the whiskey-drinkin' Indian ♪
- 1628
- 01:37:45,568 --> 01:37:47,945
- ♪ Or the Marine that went to war ♪
- 1629
- 01:37:48,737 --> 01:37:51,323
- ♪ Call him drunken Ira Hayes ♪
- 1630
- 01:37:51,407 --> 01:37:53,701
- ♪ He won't answer anymore ♪
- 1631
- 01:37:54,368 --> 01:37:56,579
- ♪ Not the whiskey-drinkin' Indian ♪
- 1632
- 01:37:56,745 --> 01:37:59,456
- ♪ Or the Marine that went to war ♪
- 1633
- 01:38:00,666 --> 01:38:03,794
- This is a United States
- diplomatic medal.
- 1634
- 01:38:04,461 --> 01:38:06,297
- It has-- It has, uh...
- 1635
- 01:38:07,339 --> 01:38:12,177
- an Indian and the first diplomatic team
- of-- of the United States,
- 1636
- 01:38:12,553 --> 01:38:17,725
- was given in Philadelphia
- on July the 4th, 1776.
- 1637
- 01:38:18,559 --> 01:38:21,270
- Also, been told that there's a possibility
- 1638
- 01:38:21,562 --> 01:38:23,731
- that these could be the same beads,
- 1639
- 01:38:23,856 --> 01:38:26,734
- these, uh, larger ones, that Peter Minuit
- 1640
- 01:38:27,484 --> 01:38:30,571
- traded the--
- our people for Manhattan Island.
- 1641
- 01:38:30,654 --> 01:38:33,115
- - Will you accept this?
- 1642
- 01:38:34,700 --> 01:38:36,619
- Thanks for everything.
- What do you say, folks?
- 1643
- 01:38:38,996 --> 01:38:40,748
- But somewhere along the line,
- 1644
- 01:38:40,831 --> 01:38:42,291
- something has failed, and...
- 1645
- 01:38:42,458 --> 01:38:46,170
- we hope that this country
- can straighten out before too long,
- 1646
- 01:38:46,253 --> 01:38:49,590
- because there are many things
- that's going to happen to shape
- 1647
- 01:38:49,673 --> 01:38:51,508
- not only this country but the world.
- 1648
- 01:38:53,135 --> 01:38:53,969
- Bob.
- 1649
- 01:38:55,137 --> 01:38:56,889
- What you-- You guys still here?
- 1650
- 01:38:58,349 --> 01:39:00,309
- Can I ask just one question?
- 1651
- 01:39:06,565 --> 01:39:09,652
- ♪ William Zanzinger
- Killed poor Hattie Carroll ♪
- 1652
- 01:39:10,319 --> 01:39:13,989
- ♪ With a cane that he twirled
- Round his diamond ring finger ♪
- 1653
- 01:39:14,281 --> 01:39:17,701
- ♪ At a Baltimore hotel
- Society gath'rin' ♪
- 1654
- 01:39:18,285 --> 01:39:21,914
- ♪ And the cops were called in
- And his weapon took from him ♪
- 1655
- 01:39:22,247 --> 01:39:25,960
- ♪ As they rode him in custody
- Down to the station ♪
- 1656
- 01:39:26,043 --> 01:39:30,255
- ♪ And booked William Zanzinger
- For first-degree murder ♪
- 1657
- 01:39:33,133 --> 01:39:36,971
- ♪ Yes, and you who philosophize disgrace ♪
- 1658
- 01:39:37,054 --> 01:39:39,974
- ♪ And criticize all fear ♪
- 1659
- 01:39:41,225 --> 01:39:45,020
- ♪ Take the rag away from your face ♪
- 1660
- 01:39:45,312 --> 01:39:48,732
- ♪ Now ain't the time for your tears ♪
- 1661
- 01:39:54,279 --> 01:39:58,659
- Everything is forgiven
- whenever I would see Bob sing.
- 1662
- 01:39:59,743 --> 01:40:01,078
- It is so...
- 1663
- 01:40:01,495 --> 01:40:02,830
- the charisma...
- 1664
- 01:40:03,914 --> 01:40:06,291
- that he has, I've never seen anywhere,
- 1665
- 01:40:06,917 --> 01:40:08,293
- before or since.
- 1666
- 01:40:09,169 --> 01:40:12,047
- And the beauty of those songs...
- 1667
- 01:40:13,924 --> 01:40:14,925
- I don't.
- 1668
- 01:40:15,134 --> 01:40:17,553
- Jack Kerouac, uh, writes like ticker tape.
- 1669
- 01:40:18,554 --> 01:40:20,681
- I used to see you write like ticker tape.
- 1670
- 01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:25,227
- I used to feed you salad and red wine
- while you wrote like ticker tape.
- 1671
- 01:40:25,811 --> 01:40:26,687
- Yeah, I remember.
- 1672
- 01:40:26,770 --> 01:40:28,856
- Brilliant stuff. William Zanzinger.
- 1673
- 01:40:29,064 --> 01:40:31,150
- Overlooking the Pacific.
- 1674
- 01:40:31,859 --> 01:40:34,069
- The wild Pacific Ocean in Big Sur, right?
- 1675
- 01:40:34,153 --> 01:40:36,030
- -William Zanzinger.
- -Where was that written?
- 1676
- 01:40:36,113 --> 01:40:38,741
- "Hattie Carroll." One of the best songs
- I think you ever wrote.
- 1677
- 01:40:38,824 --> 01:40:40,492
- I think it's one of the best songs
- you sing.
- 1678
- 01:40:40,576 --> 01:40:43,579
- Thank you.
- How come you take it on the stage now?
- 1679
- 01:40:43,954 --> 01:40:46,123
- -'Cause you won't sing it.
- 1680
- 01:40:47,249 --> 01:40:48,208
- Oh, Bob.
- 1681
- 01:40:49,251 --> 01:40:50,085
- Sure, I will.
- 1682
- 01:40:51,211 --> 01:40:52,796
- Just 'cause I screwed up the words.
- 1683
- 01:40:53,047 --> 01:40:54,882
- -Well, it really...
- -How do you like my dress?
- 1684
- 01:40:54,965 --> 01:40:57,676
- ...displeases me that you--
- that you went off and got married
- 1685
- 01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,011
- and-- and, uh...
- 1686
- 01:41:00,637 --> 01:41:03,140
- You went off and got married first
- and didn't tell me.
- 1687
- 01:41:03,682 --> 01:41:05,684
- Yeah, but--
- 1688
- 01:41:09,188 --> 01:41:12,399
- -You should have told me or something.
- -But I married the woman I loved.
- 1689
- 01:41:12,483 --> 01:41:13,442
- I know, that's true.
- 1690
- 01:41:14,568 --> 01:41:17,404
- That's true.
- And I married the man I thought I loved.
- 1691
- 01:41:22,284 --> 01:41:24,244
- See, that's what thought
- has to do with it.
- 1692
- 01:41:24,328 --> 01:41:25,829
- Thought will fuck you up.
- 1693
- 01:41:27,206 --> 01:41:28,540
- You're right. I agree with that.
- 1694
- 01:41:28,624 --> 01:41:30,876
- See, it's heart, it's not-- it's not head.
- 1695
- 01:41:39,718 --> 01:41:42,221
- ♪ Hattie Carroll was
- A maid of the kitchen ♪
- 1696
- 01:41:42,638 --> 01:41:46,225
- ♪ She was fifty-one years old
- And gave birth to ten children ♪
- 1697
- 01:41:46,725 --> 01:41:50,521
- ♪ She cleaned up the dishes
- Hauled out the garbage ♪
- 1698
- 01:41:50,896 --> 01:41:53,816
- ♪ And never sat once
- At the head of the table ♪
- 1699
- 01:41:54,608 --> 01:41:57,945
- ♪ She just cleaned up
- All the food from the table ♪
- 1700
- 01:41:58,529 --> 01:42:01,824
- ♪ And emptied the ashtrays
- On a whole other level ♪
- 1701
- 01:42:02,282 --> 01:42:06,078
- ♪ Got killed by a blow
- Lay slain by a cane ♪
- 1702
- 01:42:06,245 --> 01:42:09,915
- ♪ That sailed through the air
- And came down through the room ♪
- 1703
- 01:42:10,290 --> 01:42:13,794
- ♪ Doomed and determined
- To destroy all the gentle ♪
- 1704
- 01:42:14,002 --> 01:42:17,881
- ♪ And she never done nothing
- To William Zanzinger ♪
- 1705
- 01:42:20,801 --> 01:42:27,516
- ♪ Yes, and you who philosophize disgrace
- And criticize all fears ♪
- 1706
- 01:42:28,809 --> 01:42:32,771
- ♪ Take the rag away from your face ♪
- 1707
- 01:42:32,855 --> 01:42:36,066
- ♪ Now ain't the time for your tears ♪
- 1708
- 01:43:00,007 --> 01:43:03,552
- ♪ In the courtroom of honor
- The judge pounded his gavel ♪
- 1709
- 01:43:04,094 --> 01:43:07,681
- ♪ To show that all's equal
- And that the courts are on the level ♪
- 1710
- 01:43:07,890 --> 01:43:11,310
- ♪ That the strings in the books
- Ain't pulled and persuaded ♪
- 1711
- 01:43:11,852 --> 01:43:15,480
- ♪ And that even the nobles
- Get properly handled ♪
- 1712
- 01:43:15,856 --> 01:43:19,484
- ♪ Once that the cops
- Have chased after and caught 'em ♪
- 1713
- 01:43:19,735 --> 01:43:22,946
- ♪ That the ladder of law
- Has no top and no bottom ♪
- 1714
- 01:43:23,655 --> 01:43:27,326
- ♪ Stared at the person
- Who killed for no reason ♪
- 1715
- 01:43:27,492 --> 01:43:31,288
- ♪ Who just happened to be feelin'
- That way without warnin' ♪
- 1716
- 01:43:31,455 --> 01:43:35,375
- ♪ And he spoke through his cloak
- So deep and distinguished ♪
- 1717
- 01:43:35,709 --> 01:43:39,171
- ♪ Handed out strongly
- For penalty and repentance ♪
- 1718
- 01:43:39,421 --> 01:43:43,383
- ♪ William Zanzinger
- With a six-month sentence ♪
- 1719
- 01:43:46,011 --> 01:43:49,806
- ♪ Yes, and you who philosophize disgrace ♪
- 1720
- 01:43:49,932 --> 01:43:52,851
- ♪ And criticize all fear ♪
- 1721
- 01:43:54,186 --> 01:43:57,814
- ♪ Bury the rag deep in your face ♪
- 1722
- 01:43:58,148 --> 01:44:01,151
- ♪ Now is the time for your tears ♪
- 1723
- 01:44:25,092 --> 01:44:27,678
- ♪ But sleep won't come ♪
- 1724
- 01:44:29,388 --> 01:44:31,515
- ♪ The whole night through ♪
- 1725
- 01:44:33,642 --> 01:44:37,646
- ♪ Your cheatin' heart ♪
- 1726
- 01:44:37,938 --> 01:44:39,898
- ♪ Will tell on you ♪
- 1727
- 01:44:42,317 --> 01:44:45,570
- ♪ You'll walk the floor ♪
- 1728
- 01:44:46,655 --> 01:44:49,241
- ♪ And shout my name ♪
- 1729
- 01:44:50,951 --> 01:44:52,411
- The hours are creeping down.
- 1730
- 01:44:52,494 --> 01:44:55,122
- -We got to get the story.
- - I'm getting it!
- 1731
- 01:44:55,205 --> 01:44:58,417
- I'm only up all fuckin' night
- when the hours are creeping down.
- 1732
- 01:44:59,042 --> 01:45:01,044
- Well, I mean,
- you had two fuckin' weeks, Larry.
- 1733
- 01:45:01,128 --> 01:45:01,962
- To do what?
- 1734
- 01:45:02,045 --> 01:45:05,215
- - To get a story, instead of--
- - I gave you a story, I gave you--
- 1735
- 01:45:05,299 --> 01:45:07,426
- That had a lot
- of fuckin' holes in it.
- 1736
- 01:45:07,509 --> 01:45:09,928
- - Well, but you're a bureaucrat.
- - Oh, bullshit.
- 1737
- 01:45:10,012 --> 01:45:11,888
- -Where do you get that crap?
- - You ask--
- 1738
- 01:45:11,972 --> 01:45:13,932
- You are a bureaucrat.
- You ask me fuckin'...
- 1739
- 01:45:14,016 --> 01:45:15,934
- uh, Wall Street Journal questions.
- 1740
- 01:45:16,018 --> 01:45:17,978
- - Bullshit.
- - Those are the questions--
- 1741
- 01:45:18,061 --> 01:45:19,771
- Everybody in the fuckin' country
- wants to know--
- 1742
- 01:45:19,855 --> 01:45:23,066
- You're asking me
- music business questions, man.
- 1743
- 01:45:23,483 --> 01:45:24,651
- That's part of it, isn't it?
- 1744
- 01:45:24,735 --> 01:45:26,403
- But that's not
- what the kids wanna read.
- 1745
- 01:45:26,486 --> 01:45:29,281
- - How do you know?
- - I know kids, man! I ask them.
- 1746
- 01:45:29,364 --> 01:45:33,118
- ♪ ...and call my name ♪
- 1747
- 01:45:33,201 --> 01:45:36,288
- Rolling Stone magazine
- was interested in the economics,
- 1748
- 01:45:36,371 --> 01:45:38,290
- how much are these people getting paid...
- 1749
- 01:45:38,373 --> 01:45:41,084
- You know, why are they playing
- bigger halls as the tour went on?
- 1750
- 01:45:41,168 --> 01:45:43,128
- Those were the kind of questions
- they were asking,
- 1751
- 01:45:43,211 --> 01:45:44,629
- and I didn't give a shit about that.
- 1752
- 01:45:44,713 --> 01:45:48,717
- I mean, what I was concerned with was,
- you know, chronicling this...
- 1753
- 01:45:49,593 --> 01:45:51,470
- this, uh, cultural event.
- 1754
- 01:45:52,846 --> 01:45:55,182
- - Can I offer you a beer?
- - Sure.
- 1755
- 01:45:57,184 --> 01:45:58,935
- - There we go.
- - Thank you.
- 1756
- 01:46:00,312 --> 01:46:02,689
- There ain't too many Medicis
- around these days,
- 1757
- 01:46:03,065 --> 01:46:06,276
- and whether you're out on the road
- with a lot of people,
- 1758
- 01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:07,652
- or you're making a movie,
- 1759
- 01:46:07,736 --> 01:46:11,031
- or any kind of creative endeavor
- that takes resources,
- 1760
- 01:46:11,865 --> 01:46:12,741
- you need money.
- 1761
- 01:46:12,949 --> 01:46:15,410
- And you gotta go to somebody
- who believes
- 1762
- 01:46:15,494 --> 01:46:18,497
- that they're gonna get their money back
- and maybe a little more.
- 1763
- 01:46:18,580 --> 01:46:21,583
- So, yeah,
- there's always this natural tension
- 1764
- 01:46:21,666 --> 01:46:22,918
- between art and commerce.
- 1765
- 01:46:23,001 --> 01:46:25,003
- Okay, how 'bout--
- We gotta cut one of Jack's.
- 1766
- 01:46:25,087 --> 01:46:28,173
- - He says to cut "Muleskinner."
- - He wants to cut "Muleskinner."
- 1767
- 01:46:28,256 --> 01:46:30,217
- All right. Okay.
- 1768
- 01:46:31,051 --> 01:46:32,719
- I'll talk to Bob about this.
- 1769
- 01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:36,515
- -All right, Allen's gonna do something?
- -Five minutes. Very brief.
- 1770
- 01:46:36,598 --> 01:46:39,351
- You got a whole different audience.
- Did you look at those people?
- 1771
- 01:46:39,434 --> 01:46:42,354
- They're not familiar with Dylan or Baez
- or anybody else.
- 1772
- 01:46:42,437 --> 01:46:43,271
- Right.
- 1773
- 01:46:43,355 --> 01:46:45,690
- If you go up and spill poetry
- for any length of time,
- 1774
- 01:46:45,774 --> 01:46:47,734
- they're gonna be, you know, gone,
- you know?
- 1775
- 01:46:47,818 --> 01:46:49,319
- Make it two minutes, Allen.
- 1776
- 01:46:49,403 --> 01:46:51,238
- Two minutes is plenty,
- I'm telling you.
- 1777
- 01:46:51,321 --> 01:46:52,864
- -Okay.
- - What about more cuts?
- 1778
- 01:46:52,948 --> 01:46:54,866
- -Two minutes.
- - We're still cutting.
- 1779
- 01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:57,202
- The show was originally
- three hours.
- 1780
- 01:46:57,285 --> 01:47:00,372
- Ginsberg, who appeared
- in the show originally,
- 1781
- 01:47:00,997 --> 01:47:04,584
- there was not enough time for him
- to perform during the show,
- 1782
- 01:47:04,668 --> 01:47:06,711
- so his section was cut.
- 1783
- 01:47:10,715 --> 01:47:13,760
- He and Peter Orlovsky
- became the baggage handlers.
- 1784
- 01:47:15,137 --> 01:47:18,807
- We would put our bags outside the door,
- and he would take them every day.
- 1785
- 01:47:19,641 --> 01:47:21,059
- You're a fuckin' luggage handler?
- 1786
- 01:47:21,143 --> 01:47:23,645
- -God, yeah, and I give massages sometimes.
- -You're a poet!
- 1787
- 01:47:23,728 --> 01:47:26,314
- I make myself useful around, on the, uh...
- 1788
- 01:47:27,023 --> 01:47:31,403
- Uh... helping Chris with the newsletter
- and putting out the newsletter.
- 1789
- 01:47:31,486 --> 01:47:32,904
- -You do errands?
- -Errands, right.
- 1790
- 01:47:32,988 --> 01:47:34,531
- I can't believe this shit.
- 1791
- 01:47:34,614 --> 01:47:37,367
- What kind of tour is this?
- You're a fuckin' great poet, Peter.
- 1792
- 01:47:37,451 --> 01:47:40,871
- I'm learning-- Been practicing banjo,
- and I've been sitting every morning...
- 1793
- 01:47:40,954 --> 01:47:44,166
- Uh, tomorrow morning, we're gonna sit
- with Allen for one hour.
- 1794
- 01:47:44,249 --> 01:47:46,585
- -To do what?
- -After we wake up, sit and meditate.
- 1795
- 01:47:49,087 --> 01:47:51,423
- At a party
- at Gordon Lightfoot's house,
- 1796
- 01:47:51,506 --> 01:47:52,966
- Toronto, Canada.
- 1797
- 01:48:19,117 --> 01:48:22,496
- Joni Mitchell, she would go out
- and do her new songs.
- 1798
- 01:48:22,579 --> 01:48:23,872
- She wouldn't do any hits.
- 1799
- 01:48:24,289 --> 01:48:27,459
- And the audience reaction
- was a little sort of muted
- 1800
- 01:48:27,542 --> 01:48:28,835
- for these new songs,
- 1801
- 01:48:28,919 --> 01:48:31,421
- as it usually is when artists
- try to do new songs.
- 1802
- 01:48:31,505 --> 01:48:33,548
- And I remember,
- she came off and she said,
- 1803
- 01:48:33,632 --> 01:48:36,927
- "McGuinn, I don't know why
- I'm so scared out there. I just don't..."
- 1804
- 01:48:37,010 --> 01:48:38,553
- I said, "You're just doing new songs.
- 1805
- 01:48:38,637 --> 01:48:40,430
- You ought to do something
- that they recognize,
- 1806
- 01:48:40,514 --> 01:48:42,349
- and then they'll, you know, loosen up."
- 1807
- 01:48:42,432 --> 01:48:45,727
- She said, "No, no, I-- I can't do that.
- I think that's a bad idea."
- 1808
- 01:48:52,025 --> 01:48:56,196
- I admired her for her courage
- to do the new stuff only.
- 1809
- 01:48:58,615 --> 01:49:00,909
- Joni wrote this song
- about this tour,
- 1810
- 01:49:00,992 --> 01:49:03,370
- and on this tour, and for this tour.
- 1811
- 01:49:23,014 --> 01:49:24,182
- Okay, D-minor now.
- 1812
- 01:49:28,603 --> 01:49:30,063
- Yeah, some dissonance.
- 1813
- 01:49:31,356 --> 01:49:37,153
- I had been loudly proclaiming
- that my three favorite male songwriters
- 1814
- 01:49:37,529 --> 01:49:40,156
- were Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen,
- and Kinky Friedman.
- 1815
- 01:49:40,949 --> 01:49:45,870
- So, Joni started interrogating me
- backstage one day, saying,
- 1816
- 01:49:46,621 --> 01:49:48,206
- "What do you mean, male?
- 1817
- 01:49:48,290 --> 01:49:50,458
- Why do you make that distinction,
- male songwriters?
- 1818
- 01:49:50,542 --> 01:49:52,210
- I mean, what about my stuff?
- 1819
- 01:49:52,419 --> 01:49:55,338
- I mean, don't you characterize my stuff,
- like, you know,
- 1820
- 01:49:55,422 --> 01:49:57,882
- in the same league as Bob
- and Leonard Cohen?"
- 1821
- 01:50:00,552 --> 01:50:02,637
- And we got into
- this long discussion about,
- 1822
- 01:50:02,721 --> 01:50:06,182
- well, the male versus female perspective,
- and anima-animus,
- 1823
- 01:50:06,266 --> 01:50:08,810
- and, you know, male-female dynamic,
- and everything, you know.
- 1824
- 01:50:08,893 --> 01:50:12,731
- But it became this long,
- drawn-out confrontation,
- 1825
- 01:50:12,814 --> 01:50:14,274
- and we bonded on that.
- 1826
- 01:50:15,442 --> 01:50:17,152
- ♪ No regrets, Coyote ♪
- 1827
- 01:50:17,861 --> 01:50:20,905
- ♪ We just come from such different sets
- Of circumstance ♪
- 1828
- 01:50:20,989 --> 01:50:22,699
- ♪ I'm up all night in the studios ♪
- 1829
- 01:50:22,782 --> 01:50:26,453
- ♪ And you're up early on your ranch ♪
- 1830
- 01:50:26,995 --> 01:50:29,289
- ♪ Brushing out a broodmare's tail ♪
- 1831
- 01:50:29,456 --> 01:50:31,041
- ♪ While the sun is ascending ♪
- 1832
- 01:50:31,124 --> 01:50:34,961
- ♪ And I'll just be getting home
- With my reel-to-reel ♪
- 1833
- 01:50:35,545 --> 01:50:37,255
- ♪ There's no comprehending ♪
- 1834
- 01:50:38,006 --> 01:50:40,425
- ♪ Just how close
- To the bone and the skin ♪
- 1835
- 01:50:40,675 --> 01:50:43,428
- ♪ And the eyes and the lips you can get ♪
- 1836
- 01:50:43,887 --> 01:50:46,389
- ♪ And still feel so alone ♪
- 1837
- 01:50:46,931 --> 01:50:49,059
- ♪ And still feel related ♪
- 1838
- 01:50:49,517 --> 01:50:51,519
- ♪ Like stations in a relay ♪
- 1839
- 01:50:51,936 --> 01:50:54,939
- ♪ You're not a hit-and-run driver
- No, no ♪
- 1840
- 01:50:55,565 --> 01:50:57,150
- ♪ Racing away ♪
- 1841
- 01:50:58,234 --> 01:51:00,070
- ♪ You just picked up a hitcher ♪
- 1842
- 01:51:00,654 --> 01:51:05,408
- ♪ A prisoner of the white lines
- On the freeway ♪
- 1843
- 01:51:15,418 --> 01:51:17,462
- ♪ We saw a farmhouse burning down ♪
- 1844
- 01:51:18,296 --> 01:51:21,007
- ♪ In the middle of nowhere
- In the middle of the night ♪
- 1845
- 01:51:21,132 --> 01:51:23,343
- ♪ And we rolled right past that tragedy ♪
- 1846
- 01:51:23,551 --> 01:51:26,346
- ♪ Till we came to some roadside lights ♪
- 1847
- 01:51:26,638 --> 01:51:29,015
- ♪ And a local band was playing ♪
- 1848
- 01:51:29,099 --> 01:51:32,185
- ♪ Locals were mincin'
- And shakin' on the floor ♪
- 1849
- 01:51:32,477 --> 01:51:33,978
- ♪ The next thing I know ♪
- 1850
- 01:51:35,271 --> 01:51:36,815
- ♪ That Coyote's at my door ♪
- 1851
- 01:51:37,899 --> 01:51:40,694
- ♪ And he pins me in a corner
- And he won't take no ♪
- 1852
- 01:51:41,111 --> 01:51:42,946
- ♪ He drags me out on the dance floor ♪
- 1853
- 01:51:43,029 --> 01:51:46,032
- ♪ And we're dancin' close and slow ♪
- 1854
- 01:51:46,366 --> 01:51:48,493
- ♪ He's got a woman at home ♪
- 1855
- 01:51:48,827 --> 01:51:52,080
- ♪ One for the night
- And now he wants one for the day ♪
- 1856
- 01:51:52,414 --> 01:51:56,501
- ♪ Oh, why'd you have to get so drunk
- And lead me on that way? ♪
- 1857
- 01:51:57,711 --> 01:51:59,629
- ♪ You just picked up a hitcher ♪
- 1858
- 01:52:00,296 --> 01:52:04,467
- ♪ A prisoner of the white lines
- And the freeway ♪
- 1859
- 01:52:32,954 --> 01:52:34,581
- Let's call Hopper, man.
- 1860
- 01:52:34,664 --> 01:52:36,458
- Fuck yeah.
- Let me change channels.
- 1861
- 01:52:36,541 --> 01:52:38,251
- Why do you have that?
- 1862
- 01:52:38,334 --> 01:52:39,878
- What are you on, channel 31?
- 1863
- 01:52:39,961 --> 01:52:41,796
- - Uh, give me, uh...
- - Okay.
- 1864
- 01:52:42,005 --> 01:52:42,839
- Okay.
- 1865
- 01:52:42,922 --> 01:52:45,967
- ♪ I took my troubles
- Down to Madame Rue ♪
- 1866
- 01:52:46,885 --> 01:52:49,971
- ♪ You know that gypsy
- With the gold-capped tooth ♪
- 1867
- 01:52:50,555 --> 01:52:53,892
- ♪ She's got a pad
- Down on Thirty-Fourth and Vine ♪
- 1868
- 01:52:54,392 --> 01:52:59,564
- ♪ Sellin' little bottles
- Of Love Potion Number Nine ♪
- 1869
- 01:52:59,647 --> 01:53:01,065
- What poetry is,
- 1870
- 01:53:01,941 --> 01:53:04,861
- the natural object, where we are now,
- 1871
- 01:53:04,944 --> 01:53:06,696
- is always adequate symbol,
- 1872
- 01:53:06,780 --> 01:53:09,616
- so you don't have
- to invent romantic myths,
- 1873
- 01:53:10,033 --> 01:53:12,702
- diamond dancers on oceansides.
- 1874
- 01:53:13,953 --> 01:53:18,124
- The scratching of the pen
- or the noise in the back of the bar
- 1875
- 01:53:18,541 --> 01:53:19,667
- is part of the music.
- 1876
- 01:53:21,211 --> 01:53:24,756
- ♪ She bent down, turned around
- And gave me a wink ♪
- 1877
- 01:53:25,006 --> 01:53:28,384
- ♪ She said, "I'm gonna mix it up
- Right here in the sink" ♪
- 1878
- 01:53:28,718 --> 01:53:30,553
- ♪ It smelled like turpentine... ♪
- 1879
- 01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:33,848
- I've never had more faith in America
- 1880
- 01:53:34,516 --> 01:53:35,558
- than I do today.
- 1881
- 01:53:36,351 --> 01:53:37,644
- We have an America
- 1882
- 01:53:38,186 --> 01:53:39,896
- that, in Bob Dylan's phrase,
- 1883
- 01:53:40,438 --> 01:53:42,190
- is busy being born,
- 1884
- 01:53:43,525 --> 01:53:44,776
- not busy dying.
- 1885
- 01:53:48,154 --> 01:53:50,990
- I was very enamored
- of Jimmy Carter.
- 1886
- 01:53:51,074 --> 01:53:54,994
- He-- I thought he was a really soulful,
- interesting guy,
- 1887
- 01:53:55,078 --> 01:53:56,246
- and he liked me.
- 1888
- 01:53:56,788 --> 01:53:59,874
- So, you know, I maintained
- a relationship with him for a long time.
- 1889
- 01:53:59,958 --> 01:54:01,167
- And he's the guy
- 1890
- 01:54:01,709 --> 01:54:05,338
- who got me into the Rolling Thunder
- concert that night.
- 1891
- 01:54:05,547 --> 01:54:06,756
- Jimmy Carter.
- 1892
- 01:54:07,340 --> 01:54:08,508
- Which is another story.
- 1893
- 01:54:09,467 --> 01:54:13,137
- I was-- I was one of the youngest members
- of the Congress.
- 1894
- 01:54:13,221 --> 01:54:14,931
- And so I was, um...
- 1895
- 01:54:16,140 --> 01:54:19,269
- Yeah, I mean,
- I was torn between two generations there.
- 1896
- 01:54:19,352 --> 01:54:22,480
- I was being pulled in both...
- You know, you want to get anything done,
- 1897
- 01:54:22,564 --> 01:54:24,691
- you have to get along
- with people in the Congress.
- 1898
- 01:54:24,858 --> 01:54:28,361
- You know, you don't get anything done
- anymore because nobody wants to, but...
- 1899
- 01:54:28,736 --> 01:54:30,905
- in my day you, you know,
- you made an effort
- 1900
- 01:54:31,155 --> 01:54:32,365
- to get along with these guys.
- 1901
- 01:54:32,448 --> 01:54:34,492
- And most of them were considerably older
- than I was.
- 1902
- 01:54:34,576 --> 01:54:38,413
- And Dylan was considered the enemy,
- really, by a lot of these guys.
- 1903
- 01:54:38,746 --> 01:54:41,541
- I had grown up in this era where,
- you know, you wanted to be an adult,
- 1904
- 01:54:41,624 --> 01:54:44,085
- you wanted to drink a martini
- with your dad, you know.
- 1905
- 01:54:44,168 --> 01:54:45,211
- And now...
- 1906
- 01:54:45,503 --> 01:54:48,131
- you know, "Never trust anybody over 30."
- Right?
- 1907
- 01:54:48,214 --> 01:54:51,092
- And I'm caught in the middle of this,
- and I'm dealing in the Congress
- 1908
- 01:54:51,175 --> 01:54:52,760
- with all these old guys, and...
- 1909
- 01:54:52,927 --> 01:54:55,555
- You know, it's an interesting conundrum.
- 1910
- 01:54:56,598 --> 01:54:59,517
- My own
- interest in the criminal justice system
- 1911
- 01:54:59,601 --> 01:55:00,935
- is very heartfelt.
- 1912
- 01:55:01,436 --> 01:55:03,646
- One of the sources
- for my understanding about
- 1913
- 01:55:03,771 --> 01:55:05,523
- what's right and wrong in this society
- 1914
- 01:55:05,607 --> 01:55:08,318
- is from a personal,
- very close friend of mine
- 1915
- 01:55:08,693 --> 01:55:10,653
- a great poet named Bob Dylan.
- 1916
- 01:55:11,696 --> 01:55:15,199
- After listening to his records
- about "The Ballad of Hattie Carroll"
- 1917
- 01:55:15,283 --> 01:55:17,160
- and "Like a Rolling Stone,"
- 1918
- 01:55:17,744 --> 01:55:23,666
- I've learned to appreciate the dynamism
- of change in a modern society.
- 1919
- 01:55:24,542 --> 01:55:27,587
- I grew up as a landowner's son,
- 1920
- 01:55:27,962 --> 01:55:31,132
- but I don't think I ever realized
- that the proper interrelationship
- 1921
- 01:55:31,215 --> 01:55:33,968
- between the landowner
- and those who worked on a farm
- 1922
- 01:55:34,385 --> 01:55:36,846
- until I heard Dylan's record,
- 1923
- 01:55:36,930 --> 01:55:39,349
- "I Ain't Gonna Work On Maggie's Farm
- No More."
- 1924
- 01:55:40,433 --> 01:55:42,894
- So I went to this meeting,
- I believe it was in Atlanta.
- 1925
- 01:55:43,478 --> 01:55:47,690
- Jimmy was there,
- and he and I spoke about a few things.
- 1926
- 01:55:47,774 --> 01:55:51,402
- And I can't remember exactly
- what was left unsaid,
- 1927
- 01:55:51,486 --> 01:55:54,072
- but I told him that I would call him back
- that night,
- 1928
- 01:55:54,155 --> 01:55:56,074
- and we were gonna finish
- this conversation.
- 1929
- 01:55:56,157 --> 01:55:57,700
- I had to get to the airport.
- 1930
- 01:55:58,201 --> 01:56:00,328
- So I get on the flight,
- I'm trying to get home.
- 1931
- 01:56:00,828 --> 01:56:05,375
- And I got caught in a storm,
- and we got diverted to Niagara Falls.
- 1932
- 01:56:06,042 --> 01:56:08,962
- And I get stashed
- in this cheesy little motel
- 1933
- 01:56:09,045 --> 01:56:10,546
- that the airline put us up in.
- 1934
- 01:56:11,005 --> 01:56:12,674
- I called Jimmy to say
- I hadn't reached home,
- 1935
- 01:56:12,757 --> 01:56:15,009
- but we could talk tomorrow,
- and he said, "Where are you?"
- 1936
- 01:56:15,093 --> 01:56:17,387
- And I said, "I'm in Niagara Falls."
- And he says, "Well,
- 1937
- 01:56:17,470 --> 01:56:19,764
- you just hit the jackpot because--
- 1938
- 01:56:19,847 --> 01:56:22,934
- because Bob Dylan's
- doing this Rolling Thunder concert
- 1939
- 01:56:23,017 --> 01:56:25,144
- there tonight, and you can go."
- 1940
- 01:56:25,603 --> 01:56:29,232
- He said, "I'll call him
- and I'll get you in."
- 1941
- 01:56:29,691 --> 01:56:32,151
- - Dylan!
- 1942
- 01:56:33,069 --> 01:56:34,862
- Dylan, you're beautiful!
- 1943
- 01:56:36,823 --> 01:56:39,325
- Uncle Sam is going to sing
- 1944
- 01:56:39,409 --> 01:56:42,537
- one of his versions
- of "The Star-Spangled Banner."
- 1945
- 01:56:42,787 --> 01:56:43,746
- Ladies and gentlemen...
- 1946
- 01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:46,541
- I saw
- the best minds of my generation
- 1947
- 01:56:46,624 --> 01:56:48,334
- destroyed by madness,
- 1948
- 01:56:48,418 --> 01:56:49,627
- starving hysterical...
- 1949
- 01:56:49,752 --> 01:56:52,255
- This song about a human being
- 1950
- 01:56:52,338 --> 01:56:53,589
- who is also an Indian.
- 1951
- 01:56:55,550 --> 01:56:58,803
- - "Let America be America again."
- - And if you don't remember...
- 1952
- 01:56:58,886 --> 01:57:00,972
- "Let it be the dream it used to be."
- 1953
- 01:57:08,312 --> 01:57:09,939
- No, I'm sorry, you-- you can't...
- 1954
- 01:57:10,023 --> 01:57:12,859
- -Excuse me. You can't shoot in here.
- - You need authorization.
- 1955
- 01:57:12,942 --> 01:57:14,819
- You cannot shoot in here, sir.
- 1956
- 01:57:14,902 --> 01:57:17,780
- - Why can't I shoot in here?
- -He's running the camera.
- 1957
- 01:57:17,864 --> 01:57:19,323
- What organization are you from?
- 1958
- 01:57:21,826 --> 01:57:23,494
- Do you know
- where you're going to?
- 1959
- 01:57:23,578 --> 01:57:25,121
- I don't know. You'll have to ask him.
- 1960
- 01:57:26,539 --> 01:57:30,501
- I'm sorry you had the hassle.
- Uh, we didn't know you were coming.
- 1961
- 01:57:31,335 --> 01:57:32,295
- Obviously.
- 1962
- 01:57:32,378 --> 01:57:34,088
- We just happened to be
- in the neighborhood.
- 1963
- 01:57:34,172 --> 01:57:37,050
- -I heard it was you.
- -I brought a friend if you don't mind.
- 1964
- 01:57:37,133 --> 01:57:40,011
- No, I don't mind, but I'm sorry
- you had any trouble downstairs.
- 1965
- 01:57:40,094 --> 01:57:41,554
- Uh, Irwin, this is Bob.
- 1966
- 01:57:41,637 --> 01:57:42,847
- -How are you?
- - Good.
- 1967
- 01:57:42,930 --> 01:57:44,182
- But if you're looking...
- 1968
- 01:57:45,224 --> 01:57:46,726
- to help the guy, in effect,
- 1969
- 01:57:46,934 --> 01:57:50,646
- you know, and your purpose is a social one
- rather than a record one,
- 1970
- 01:57:51,022 --> 01:57:54,275
- then I think it probably would make sense,
- you know, to comment, you know, early.
- 1971
- 01:57:54,358 --> 01:57:56,986
- You know what I'm saying?
- I don't know what your motivations are.
- 1972
- 01:57:57,320 --> 01:57:59,781
- You're kind of throwing it out
- and I haven't given a lot of thought.
- 1973
- 01:57:59,864 --> 01:58:01,532
- I think there's a Top 40 AM problem.
- 1974
- 01:58:01,616 --> 01:58:05,453
- Conversely,
- there may be a lot of black radio play,
- 1975
- 01:58:05,536 --> 01:58:06,954
- for example, in the east.
- 1976
- 01:58:07,205 --> 01:58:09,916
- - Or you make it AM play.
- -So WWRL would--
- 1977
- 01:58:09,999 --> 01:58:12,835
- It's a Bob Dylan statement,
- that it is unique.
- 1978
- 01:58:12,919 --> 01:58:14,212
- Whoever wants to play it can play it,
- 1979
- 01:58:14,295 --> 01:58:15,922
- but the idea is he wants it
- on the streets,
- 1980
- 01:58:16,005 --> 01:58:18,257
- so people can do with it what they want.
- 1981
- 01:58:18,341 --> 01:58:19,842
- But with those caveats,
- 1982
- 01:58:19,926 --> 01:58:22,970
- your motivation is to try to do
- what you can for the guy,
- 1983
- 01:58:23,054 --> 01:58:25,431
- then it probably makes sense
- to do it as quickly as possible.
- 1984
- 01:58:25,515 --> 01:58:27,809
- -That's the motivation.
- - Uh...
- 1985
- 01:58:27,892 --> 01:58:31,104
- ♪ Pistol shots ring out
- In a barroom night ♪
- 1986
- 01:58:31,646 --> 01:58:35,358
- ♪ Enter Patty Valentine
- From the upper hall ♪
- 1987
- 01:58:35,775 --> 01:58:39,028
- ♪ She sees the bartender
- In a pool of blood ♪
- 1988
- 01:58:39,612 --> 01:58:43,199
- ♪ Cries out, "My God
- They killed them all"... ♪
- 1989
- 01:58:43,282 --> 01:58:46,452
- If they can get it out on the street
- in a week that's, you know, that's good.
- 1990
- 01:58:46,536 --> 01:58:47,995
- That's what they were talking about.
- 1991
- 01:58:49,122 --> 01:58:52,041
- Rubin Carter
- was an amazing boxer,
- 1992
- 01:58:52,125 --> 01:58:53,000
- middleweight,
- 1993
- 01:58:53,084 --> 01:58:54,794
- who had been framed
- 1994
- 01:58:55,419 --> 01:58:57,713
- for a murder in New Jersey
- 1995
- 01:58:57,797 --> 01:59:01,425
- and was languishing now
- in Rahway State Prison.
- 1996
- 01:59:02,677 --> 01:59:04,262
- Bob wrote this incredible song,
- 1997
- 01:59:04,846 --> 01:59:08,641
- "Hurricane," and was very concerned
- about getting him out.
- 1998
- 01:59:09,267 --> 01:59:12,854
- I'd written songs about boxers before,
- so that was nothing new, but, uh...
- 1999
- 01:59:13,938 --> 01:59:16,357
- I hadn't really thought about,
- uh, Hurricane...
- 2000
- 01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,318
- because I didn't know about Hurricane.
- 2001
- 01:59:19,610 --> 01:59:20,444
- Uh...
- 2002
- 01:59:21,028 --> 01:59:21,904
- It...
- 2003
- 01:59:23,114 --> 01:59:24,949
- It never really crossed my path.
- 2004
- 01:59:26,367 --> 01:59:27,910
- I got the book. I read it.
- 2005
- 01:59:27,994 --> 01:59:30,997
- Um, I, you know, made a mental note
- that if I was coming east,
- 2006
- 01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:33,249
- or if I was east, I would, uh, visit him.
- 2007
- 01:59:33,499 --> 01:59:36,294
- We were there for, you know,
- most of the day,
- 2008
- 01:59:36,377 --> 01:59:37,628
- as far as I can remember.
- 2009
- 01:59:37,837 --> 01:59:40,923
- Uh, we got there in the morning
- and then left him when it was dark.
- 2010
- 01:59:41,757 --> 01:59:43,217
- I realized the man's philosophy
- 2011
- 01:59:43,301 --> 01:59:46,679
- and my philosophy were running
- on the same road.
- 2012
- 01:59:46,888 --> 01:59:49,765
- You know, and, uh,
- you don't meet too many people like that,
- 2013
- 01:59:49,849 --> 01:59:55,062
- you know, that you just know that kinda
- on the same path, mentally, you know.
- 2014
- 01:59:55,146 --> 01:59:56,272
- Yeah.
- 2015
- 01:59:56,355 --> 02:00:00,401
- Dylan was different than other people
- who came to see me.
- 2016
- 02:00:00,776 --> 02:00:03,571
- I mean, other people would ask
- the obvious questions.
- 2017
- 02:00:03,654 --> 02:00:05,198
- "Rubin, are you guilty?"
- 2018
- 02:00:05,573 --> 02:00:08,784
- You know, "Did you commit this crime?"
- "Did you do that?" You know.
- 2019
- 02:00:08,868 --> 02:00:10,328
- But Dylan wasn't asking that.
- 2020
- 02:00:10,828 --> 02:00:14,373
- Not at all. It seemed
- like he was searching for something else.
- 2021
- 02:00:14,665 --> 02:00:16,417
- It was as if he was saying,
- 2022
- 02:00:17,543 --> 02:00:18,544
- "Who are you, man?"
- 2023
- 02:00:19,045 --> 02:00:21,422
- You know, "Are you what I see?"
- 2024
- 02:00:22,590 --> 02:00:26,928
- I had a friend of mine send me his lyrics
- to his songs,
- 2025
- 02:00:27,511 --> 02:00:29,138
- and so I could read his lyrics,
- 2026
- 02:00:29,222 --> 02:00:33,601
- so I can get an-- an idea
- of who I'm talkin' to here, you know.
- 2027
- 02:00:34,518 --> 02:00:35,353
- And...
- 2028
- 02:00:35,853 --> 02:00:39,523
- I found something
- that was, uh, very interesting. Very...
- 2029
- 02:00:39,857 --> 02:00:41,234
- That really connected us.
- 2030
- 02:00:41,525 --> 02:00:46,280
- Both of us were... were performers
- and crowd-pleasers.
- 2031
- 02:00:46,572 --> 02:00:49,033
- You know, me with the vicious left hook,
- 2032
- 02:00:49,825 --> 02:00:54,080
- you know, whose parents grew up
- in the Jim Crow South,
- 2033
- 02:00:54,664 --> 02:01:00,378
- and Dylan, uh, you know, with his... uh...
- the troubadour.
- 2034
- 02:01:00,836 --> 02:01:03,631
- So you got back, and you had
- the germ of an idea to do a song?
- 2035
- 02:01:03,714 --> 02:01:04,799
- - Yeah.
- - Why?
- 2036
- 02:01:04,882 --> 02:01:07,176
- I mean, you know,
- is this a return to protest...
- 2037
- 02:01:07,301 --> 02:01:08,594
- I mean...
- 2038
- 02:01:08,678 --> 02:01:11,681
- You know,
- is this, uh, "Hattie Carroll" revisited?
- 2039
- 02:01:12,932 --> 02:01:15,851
- Um, there's an injustice
- that has been done, you know.
- 2040
- 02:01:15,935 --> 02:01:18,437
- And the fact is
- that it can happen to anybody.
- 2041
- 02:01:18,521 --> 02:01:19,897
- - Mm-hmm.
- - You know?
- 2042
- 02:01:19,981 --> 02:01:22,525
- -And we have to be confronted with that.
- - So-- So--
- 2043
- 02:01:23,025 --> 02:01:25,027
- This song is called "Hurricane."
- 2044
- 02:01:26,821 --> 02:01:28,864
- If you got any political pull at all,
- 2045
- 02:01:28,948 --> 02:01:31,367
- maybe you can help us get this man
- out of jail,
- 2046
- 02:01:31,993 --> 02:01:33,536
- back onto the streets.
- 2047
- 02:01:58,477 --> 02:02:01,314
- ♪ Pistol shots ring out
- In the barroom night ♪
- 2048
- 02:02:01,814 --> 02:02:04,817
- ♪ Enter Patty Valentine
- From the outer hall ♪
- 2049
- 02:02:05,276 --> 02:02:07,987
- ♪ She sees the bartender
- In a pool of blood ♪
- 2050
- 02:02:08,279 --> 02:02:11,282
- ♪ Cries out, "My God,
- They've killed 'em all!" ♪
- 2051
- 02:02:11,949 --> 02:02:14,410
- ♪ Here comes the story of the Hurricane ♪
- 2052
- 02:02:15,328 --> 02:02:17,705
- ♪ The man the authorities came to blame ♪
- 2053
- 02:02:18,581 --> 02:02:20,583
- ♪ For somethin' that he never done ♪
- 2054
- 02:02:21,876 --> 02:02:25,421
- ♪ Put in a prison cell
- But one time he coulda been ♪
- 2055
- 02:02:25,671 --> 02:02:27,965
- ♪ The champion of the world ♪
- 2056
- 02:02:36,599 --> 02:02:38,893
- ♪ Three bodies lyin' there
- Does Patty see ♪
- 2057
- 02:02:39,894 --> 02:02:43,064
- ♪ And another man named Bello
- Movin' mysteriously ♪
- 2058
- 02:02:43,189 --> 02:02:45,941
- ♪ "I didn't do it," he says
- And he throws up his hands ♪
- 2059
- 02:02:46,025 --> 02:02:49,362
- ♪ "I was only robbin' the register
- You understand ♪
- 2060
- 02:02:49,737 --> 02:02:52,323
- ♪ I saw them leave, though" he says
- And he stops ♪
- 2061
- 02:02:52,990 --> 02:02:55,618
- ♪ "One of us had better
- Call on the cops" ♪
- 2062
- 02:02:56,243 --> 02:02:58,412
- ♪ And so Patty calls the cops ♪
- 2063
- 02:02:59,538 --> 02:03:03,167
- ♪ And they arrive on the scene
- With their red lights flashin' ♪
- 2064
- 02:03:03,250 --> 02:03:05,169
- ♪ In the hot New Jersey night ♪
- 2065
- 02:03:14,011 --> 02:03:16,514
- ♪ Meanwhile, far away
- In another part of town ♪
- 2066
- 02:03:16,680 --> 02:03:19,892
- ♪ Rubin Carter and a couple of friends
- Are drivin' around ♪
- 2067
- 02:03:20,142 --> 02:03:23,062
- ♪ Number one contender
- For the middleweight crown ♪
- 2068
- 02:03:23,354 --> 02:03:26,524
- ♪ Had no idea what kinda shit
- Was about to go down ♪
- 2069
- 02:03:27,066 --> 02:03:29,568
- ♪ When a cop pulled him over
- To the side of the road ♪
- 2070
- 02:03:30,194 --> 02:03:33,114
- ♪ Just like the time before
- And the time before that ♪
- 2071
- 02:03:33,197 --> 02:03:35,574
- ♪ In Paterson, that's the way things go ♪
- 2072
- 02:03:35,908 --> 02:03:40,079
- ♪ If you're black, you might as well
- Not show up on the streets ♪
- 2073
- 02:03:40,287 --> 02:03:42,832
- ♪ 'Less you want to draw the heat ♪
- 2074
- 02:03:51,048 --> 02:03:53,634
- ♪ Alfred Bello, he laid this rap
- On the cops ♪
- 2075
- 02:03:53,717 --> 02:03:56,804
- ♪ "Me and Arthur Dexter Bradley
- Were in here prowlin' around ♪
- 2076
- 02:03:57,138 --> 02:04:00,141
- ♪ We saw two men runnin' out of here
- They looked like middleweights ♪
- 2077
- 02:04:00,433 --> 02:04:03,686
- ♪ Jumped into a white car
- With out-of-state plates" ♪
- 2078
- 02:04:04,061 --> 02:04:06,730
- ♪ And Miss Patty Valentine
- Just nodded her head ♪
- 2079
- 02:04:06,856 --> 02:04:09,608
- ♪ Cop said, "Wait a minute, boys
- This one's not dead" ♪
- 2080
- 02:04:09,692 --> 02:04:12,361
- ♪ So they took him to the infirmary ♪
- 2081
- 02:04:13,612 --> 02:04:15,573
- ♪ And though this man could hardly see ♪
- 2082
- 02:04:15,656 --> 02:04:19,452
- ♪ They told him that he could identify
- The guilty men ♪
- 2083
- 02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:30,296
- ♪ Four in the mornin'
- And they haul Rubin in ♪
- 2084
- 02:04:30,963 --> 02:04:34,049
- ♪ Took him to the hospital
- And they brought him upstairs ♪
- 2085
- 02:04:34,133 --> 02:04:36,886
- ♪ The wounded man looks up
- Through his one dyin' eye ♪
- 2086
- 02:04:37,136 --> 02:04:40,514
- ♪ Says, "Why'd you bring him in here for?
- He ain't the guy!" ♪
- 2087
- 02:04:40,764 --> 02:04:43,184
- ♪ Yes, here's the story of the Hurricane ♪
- 2088
- 02:04:44,018 --> 02:04:46,395
- ♪ The man the authorities came to blame ♪
- 2089
- 02:04:47,229 --> 02:04:49,315
- ♪ For somethin' that he never done ♪
- 2090
- 02:04:50,399 --> 02:04:53,652
- ♪ Put in a prison cell
- But one time he coulda been ♪
- 2091
- 02:04:54,069 --> 02:04:56,238
- ♪ The champion of the world ♪
- 2092
- 02:05:04,663 --> 02:05:07,291
- ♪ Four months later
- The ghettos are in flame ♪
- 2093
- 02:05:07,625 --> 02:05:10,503
- ♪ Rubin's in South America
- Fightin' for his name ♪
- 2094
- 02:05:11,086 --> 02:05:13,756
- ♪ Arthur Dexter Bradley's
- Still in the robbery game ♪
- 2095
- 02:05:13,839 --> 02:05:15,591
- ♪ And the cops are
- Puttin' the screws to him ♪
- 2096
- 02:05:15,674 --> 02:05:17,384
- ♪ Lookin' for someone to blame ♪
- 2097
- 02:05:17,593 --> 02:05:20,054
- ♪ "Remember that murder
- That happened in a bar? ♪
- 2098
- 02:05:20,763 --> 02:05:23,265
- ♪ Remember you said you saw
- The getaway car? ♪
- 2099
- 02:05:23,682 --> 02:05:26,227
- ♪ You think you'd like to play ball
- With the law? ♪
- 2100
- 02:05:26,936 --> 02:05:30,356
- ♪ Think it mighta been that fighter
- That you saw runnin' that night? ♪
- 2101
- 02:05:30,439 --> 02:05:33,817
- ♪ Don't forget now, you're white" ♪
- 2102
- 02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:43,911
- ♪ Arthur Dexter Bradley said
- "I'm really not sure" ♪
- 2103
- 02:05:44,328 --> 02:05:46,914
- ♪ Cops said
- "A poor boy like you could use a break ♪
- 2104
- 02:05:47,331 --> 02:05:50,626
- ♪ We got you for the motel job
- We're talkin' to your friend Bello ♪
- 2105
- 02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:54,171
- ♪ You don't wanna have to go back to jail
- Be a nice fellow ♪
- 2106
- 02:05:54,296 --> 02:05:56,882
- ♪ You'll be doin' society a favor ♪
- 2107
- 02:05:57,341 --> 02:06:00,177
- ♪That son of a bitch is brave
- And gettin' braver ♪
- 2108
- 02:06:00,553 --> 02:06:02,680
- ♪ We want to put his ass in stir ♪
- 2109
- 02:06:03,764 --> 02:06:07,101
- ♪ We want to pin this triple murder
- On him ♪
- 2110
- 02:06:07,393 --> 02:06:09,853
- ♪ He ain't no Gentleman Jim" ♪
- 2111
- 02:06:17,861 --> 02:06:20,614
- ♪ All of Rubin's cards were marked
- In advance ♪
- 2112
- 02:06:20,906 --> 02:06:23,826
- ♪ The trial was a pig-circus
- He never had a chance ♪
- 2113
- 02:06:24,076 --> 02:06:27,121
- ♪ The judge made Rubin's witnesses
- Drunkards from the slums ♪
- 2114
- 02:06:27,204 --> 02:06:30,416
- ♪ To the white folks who watched
- He was a revolutionary bum ♪
- 2115
- 02:06:30,749 --> 02:06:33,377
- ♪ And to the black folks
- He was just a crazy nigger ♪
- 2116
- 02:06:34,128 --> 02:06:36,547
- ♪ No one doubted
- That he pulled the trigger ♪
- 2117
- 02:06:37,172 --> 02:06:39,550
- ♪ And though they could not produce
- The gun ♪
- 2118
- 02:06:40,342 --> 02:06:43,512
- ♪ The DA said he was the one
- Who did the deed ♪
- 2119
- 02:06:43,762 --> 02:06:46,599
- ♪ And the all-white jury agreed ♪
- 2120
- 02:06:54,773 --> 02:06:56,984
- ♪ Rubin Carter was falsely tried ♪
- 2121
- 02:06:57,401 --> 02:07:00,279
- ♪ The crime was murder one
- Guess who testified? ♪
- 2122
- 02:07:00,946 --> 02:07:03,282
- ♪ Bello and Bradley, and they both lied ♪
- 2123
- 02:07:03,741 --> 02:07:06,910
- ♪ And the newspapers
- They all went along for the ride ♪
- 2124
- 02:07:07,286 --> 02:07:09,455
- ♪ How can the life of such a man ♪
- 2125
- 02:07:10,539 --> 02:07:13,000
- ♪ Be in the palm of some fool's hand? ♪
- 2126
- 02:07:13,459 --> 02:07:15,753
- ♪ To see him obviously framed ♪
- 2127
- 02:07:16,837 --> 02:07:20,174
- ♪ Couldn't help but make me feel ashamed
- To live in a land ♪
- 2128
- 02:07:20,507 --> 02:07:23,135
- ♪ Where justice is a game ♪
- 2129
- 02:07:30,726 --> 02:07:33,687
- ♪ Now all the criminals
- In their coats and their ties... ♪
- 2130
- 02:07:34,521 --> 02:07:37,858
- "Now all the criminals
- in their coats and ties
- 2131
- 02:07:37,941 --> 02:07:41,737
- are free to drink martinis and watch the--
- and watch the sun rise."
- 2132
- 02:07:42,154 --> 02:07:45,282
- "While Rubin sits like Buddha
- in a ten-foot cell,
- 2133
- 02:07:45,491 --> 02:07:47,534
- an innocent man in a living hell."
- 2134
- 02:07:47,743 --> 02:07:49,745
- I thought that was great.
- 2135
- 02:07:50,204 --> 02:07:53,374
- Because the ballad of the Hurricane...
- 2136
- 02:07:54,208 --> 02:07:59,463
- uh, sent an indelible message
- of justice gone awry,
- 2137
- 02:08:00,089 --> 02:08:01,173
- you know what I mean?
- 2138
- 02:08:01,298 --> 02:08:02,257
- So... So...
- 2139
- 02:08:02,508 --> 02:08:07,388
- Dylan doing that
- spread the word far and wide.
- 2140
- 02:08:10,265 --> 02:08:12,476
- ♪ That's the story of the Hurricane ♪
- 2141
- 02:08:13,394 --> 02:08:15,938
- ♪ But it won't be over
- Till they clear his name ♪
- 2142
- 02:08:16,605 --> 02:08:18,774
- ♪ And give him back the time he's done ♪
- 2143
- 02:08:19,692 --> 02:08:23,237
- ♪ Put in a prison cell
- But one time he coulda been ♪
- 2144
- 02:08:23,529 --> 02:08:26,532
- ♪ The champion of the world ♪
- 2145
- 02:08:35,749 --> 02:08:37,376
- Let me introduce you to everybody.
- 2146
- 02:08:38,752 --> 02:08:41,255
- Many of the people who came
- to help me were white people,
- 2147
- 02:08:41,797 --> 02:08:44,216
- which must have surprised the authorities,
- 2148
- 02:08:44,299 --> 02:08:47,428
- because the authorities claimed
- that I committed this crime
- 2149
- 02:08:47,511 --> 02:08:49,346
- because of my hatred for white people.
- 2150
- 02:08:49,513 --> 02:08:51,473
- But here's all these white folks
- 2151
- 02:08:52,099 --> 02:08:54,435
- coming to help this poor black man
- 2152
- 02:08:54,643 --> 02:08:56,895
- who's in prison for something
- that he didn't do,
- 2153
- 02:08:56,979 --> 02:08:59,606
- something that he didn't do.
- I mean, it-- it was great.
- 2154
- 02:08:59,982 --> 02:09:02,860
- What happens if the courts
- say no, where do you go from there?
- 2155
- 02:09:02,943 --> 02:09:05,320
- Are you gonna go back into the courts
- once again?
- 2156
- 02:09:05,404 --> 02:09:07,990
- If the courts say no,
- we just keep on fighting.
- 2157
- 02:09:08,240 --> 02:09:10,868
- There's no such--
- There's no such thing as no.
- 2158
- 02:09:11,326 --> 02:09:12,578
- There's just yes,
- 2159
- 02:09:12,661 --> 02:09:15,289
- and the road is straight ahead,
- and we keep on going.
- 2160
- 02:09:16,415 --> 02:09:18,083
- Bob always been searching.
- 2161
- 02:09:18,167 --> 02:09:22,171
- Every time I see Bob now, and which
- we don't see each other frequently,
- 2162
- 02:09:22,504 --> 02:09:26,759
- but every time I see him, I ask Bob,
- "Have you found it yet, Bob?"
- 2163
- 02:09:27,968 --> 02:09:29,636
- And Bob says, "Yeah, I found it."
- 2164
- 02:09:30,095 --> 02:09:33,849
- But I know he hasn't,
- 'cause he keeps searching.
- 2165
- 02:09:35,142 --> 02:09:38,187
- He'd always say,
- "Hey, what are you searching for today?"
- 2166
- 02:09:38,270 --> 02:09:39,354
- I'd say, "What?"
- 2167
- 02:09:39,438 --> 02:09:42,191
- He'd say, "I know you're a searcher.
- What are you searching for?"
- 2168
- 02:09:42,566 --> 02:09:46,528
- I'd say, uh, "Well, Hurricane,
- I'm searching for the Holy Grail."
- 2169
- 02:09:46,904 --> 02:09:47,905
- And he'd say, "What?"
- 2170
- 02:09:48,155 --> 02:09:52,326
- I said, "I'm gonna search until I find it,
- like Sir Galahad."
- 2171
- 02:09:54,453 --> 02:09:55,788
- That's what I'm looking for.
- 2172
- 02:09:58,749 --> 02:10:02,628
- - Five minutes. Five minutes.
- - Do you think he's a genius?
- 2173
- 02:10:03,462 --> 02:10:05,005
- Is Bob Dylan a genius?
- 2174
- 02:10:06,423 --> 02:10:08,884
- I don't know.
- That's a strange word.
- 2175
- 02:10:10,052 --> 02:10:10,886
- Maybe.
- 2176
- 02:10:11,220 --> 02:10:15,140
- I think the most brilliant thing he did
- was putting a group of highly motivated
- 2177
- 02:10:15,349 --> 02:10:18,393
- and ambitious people
- on a train with no supervision,
- 2178
- 02:10:18,602 --> 02:10:21,939
- and then let them become
- the most extreme versions of themselves.
- 2179
- 02:10:22,439 --> 02:10:24,566
- Is that how you'd describe
- what happened?
- 2180
- 02:10:24,650 --> 02:10:26,401
- I know that's what happened to me.
- 2181
- 02:10:26,527 --> 02:10:28,904
- - Let's go. Let's go.
- 2182
- 02:10:30,364 --> 02:10:31,198
- Let's go.
- 2183
- 02:10:31,865 --> 02:10:33,951
- So, why did you come here
- to speak to me?
- 2184
- 02:10:34,034 --> 02:10:38,497
- Well, to try and, you know, stake my claim
- 2185
- 02:10:38,580 --> 02:10:42,334
- and say, "Here I am, this is me.
- I'm the one who made this.
- 2186
- 02:10:42,417 --> 02:10:43,544
- You're using it.
- 2187
- 02:10:43,961 --> 02:10:47,631
- This wouldn't exist without me.
- I'm the filmmaker here."
- 2188
- 02:10:49,132 --> 02:10:52,135
- December 4th, 1975, Montreal, Canada,
- 2189
- 02:10:52,219 --> 02:10:54,847
- last scheduled concert
- for the Rolling Thunder Revue.
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- 02:10:55,806 --> 02:11:00,644
- We phantoms are assembled
- at the end of the Rolling Thunder tour.
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- 02:11:00,769 --> 02:11:02,479
- Roger? Let's go. Luther?
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- 02:11:02,563 --> 02:11:05,399
- We started out
- trying to recover America.
- 2193
- 02:11:05,482 --> 02:11:08,318
- We discovered a certain amount of truth
- about ourselves.
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- 02:11:08,777 --> 02:11:11,363
- Old friends who thought
- their loves had been lost
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- 02:11:11,613 --> 02:11:15,325
- were able to get together
- and, uh, face each other eye to eye
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- 02:11:15,617 --> 02:11:17,995
- and sing over an electrical microphone
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- 02:11:18,078 --> 02:11:22,332
- to please the desires
- of myriad young yearners,
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- 02:11:22,416 --> 02:11:25,544
- who had been seeking some kind
- of union and community
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- 02:11:25,627 --> 02:11:27,629
- and saw therein an image
- of that community.
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- 02:11:28,755 --> 02:11:30,340
- Was the tour a success?
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- 02:11:30,757 --> 02:11:33,427
- The tour was a disaster,
- it was a catastrophe.
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- 02:11:33,510 --> 02:11:34,761
- - Why?
- -Well,
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- 02:11:34,845 --> 02:11:37,764
- I told 'em we should be playing
- to 20,000-seaters,
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- 02:11:37,848 --> 02:11:40,559
- but instead, you know, they wanted
- to play all these small joints.
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- 02:11:40,642 --> 02:11:43,645
- Now you've got 16 to 18 people onstage,
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- 02:11:43,729 --> 02:11:46,356
- and you got 15 people on the back line.
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- 02:11:47,024 --> 02:11:50,485
- Buses and hotel rooms and catering,
- and you're only playing to houses
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- 02:11:50,569 --> 02:11:53,363
- with 3,000 seats,
- so you're gonna hemorrhage money.
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- 02:11:53,447 --> 02:11:55,532
- We were in the red
- before we even got on the road.
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- 02:11:55,616 --> 02:11:57,868
- No, it wasn't a success.
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- 02:11:58,619 --> 02:12:00,954
- Not if you measure success
- in terms of profit.
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- 02:12:02,247 --> 02:12:03,916
- But it was a sense of adventure.
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- 02:12:05,208 --> 02:12:09,379
- So, in many ways, yes,
- it was very successful.
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- 02:12:10,797 --> 02:12:11,840
- Let's go.
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- 02:12:12,758 --> 02:12:14,009
- Time to go.
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- 02:12:14,760 --> 02:12:17,721
- - Come on. We're on.
- - Yeah, Rob, you look pretty.
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- 02:12:22,392 --> 02:12:24,561
- What remains of that tour to this day?
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- 02:12:24,645 --> 02:12:25,479
- Nothing.
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- 02:12:26,855 --> 02:12:28,106
- Not one single thing.
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- 02:12:28,690 --> 02:12:29,524
- Ashes.
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- 02:12:33,236 --> 02:12:37,240
- ♪ Mama, wipe the blood off of my face ♪
- 2222
- 02:12:40,911 --> 02:12:44,164
- ♪ I can't see through it anymore ♪
- 2223
- 02:12:47,584 --> 02:12:51,922
- ♪ I need someone to talk to
- And a new hiding place ♪
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- 02:12:55,676 --> 02:12:59,221
- ♪ I feel like I'm knockin'
- On heaven's door ♪
- 2225
- 02:13:02,975 --> 02:13:06,561
- ♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
- On heaven's door ♪
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- 02:13:10,315 --> 02:13:13,944
- ♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
- On heaven's door ♪
- 2227
- 02:13:17,656 --> 02:13:21,952
- ♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
- On heaven's door ♪
- 2228
- 02:13:24,955 --> 02:13:29,209
- ♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
- On heaven's door ♪
- 2229
- 02:13:32,421 --> 02:13:35,674
- ♪ Mama, I can hear that thunder roll ♪
- 2230
- 02:13:39,803 --> 02:13:43,473
- ♪ Echoing down from God's distant shore ♪
- 2231
- 02:13:46,852 --> 02:13:50,856
- ♪ I can hear Him calling out for my soul ♪
- 2232
- 02:13:54,317 --> 02:13:57,863
- ♪ l feel I'm knocking on heaven's door ♪
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- 02:14:01,867 --> 02:14:05,620
- ♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
- On heaven's door ♪
- 2234
- 02:14:09,249 --> 02:14:13,503
- ♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
- On heaven's door ♪
- 2235
- 02:14:16,673 --> 02:14:21,053
- ♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
- On heaven's door ♪
- 2236
- 02:14:23,930 --> 02:14:28,643
- ♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
- On heaven's door ♪
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- 02:14:51,374 --> 02:14:55,212
- You who saw it all,
- or saw flashes and fragments,
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- 02:14:55,629 --> 02:14:58,173
- take from us some example,
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- 02:14:58,256 --> 02:15:00,467
- try and get yourselves together,
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- 02:15:00,550 --> 02:15:03,345
- clean up your act, find your community,
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- 02:15:03,637 --> 02:15:07,182
- pick up on some kind of redemption
- of your own consciousness,
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- 02:15:07,432 --> 02:15:10,018
- become more mindful of your own friends,
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- 02:15:10,102 --> 02:15:11,186
- your own work,
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- 02:15:11,269 --> 02:15:13,063
- your own proper meditation,
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- 02:15:13,146 --> 02:15:14,397
- your own proper art,
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- 02:15:14,481 --> 02:15:15,482
- your own beauty.
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- 02:15:15,607 --> 02:15:18,819
- Go out and make it for your own eternity.
- 2248
- 02:15:23,115 --> 02:15:27,786
- ♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
- On heaven's door ♪
- 2249
- 02:15:30,580 --> 02:15:35,001
- ♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
- On heaven's door ♪
- 2250
- 02:15:37,754 --> 02:15:42,717
- ♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
- On heaven's door ♪
- 2251
- 02:15:45,178 --> 02:15:50,142
- ♪ Knock, knock, knockin'
- On heaven's door ♪
- 2252
- 02:15:54,521 --> 02:15:59,317
- ♪ The water is wide ♪
- 2253
- 02:15:59,568 --> 02:16:02,529
- ♪ And I can't cross over ♪
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- 02:16:05,949 --> 02:16:09,911
- ♪ I've neither wings ♪
- 2255
- 02:16:11,246 --> 02:16:16,001
- ♪ That I could fly ♪
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- 02:16:16,376 --> 02:16:21,131
- ♪ Build me a boat ♪
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- 02:16:21,882 --> 02:16:26,136
- ♪ That can carry two ♪
- 2258
- 02:16:27,387 --> 02:16:30,891
- ♪ And both shall row ♪
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- 02:16:33,059 --> 02:16:37,731
- ♪ My love and I ♪
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- 02:16:46,364 --> 02:16:50,785
- ♪ There is a ship ♪
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- 02:16:51,536 --> 02:16:54,372
- ♪ And it sails on the sea ♪
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- 02:16:57,709 --> 02:17:01,713
- ♪ Loaded deep ♪
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- 02:17:02,464 --> 02:17:07,052
- ♪ As deep can be ♪
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- 02:17:07,802 --> 02:17:12,515
- ♪ But not as deep ♪
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- 02:17:13,058 --> 02:17:17,854
- ♪ As the love I'm in ♪
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- 02:17:18,563 --> 02:17:21,816
- ♪ And both shall row ♪
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- 02:17:23,777 --> 02:17:29,741
- ♪ My love and I ♪
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- 02:17:55,517 --> 02:17:57,519
- - Bob!
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- 02:18:00,146 --> 02:18:01,898
- Encore!
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- 02:18:08,113 --> 02:18:10,407
- ♪ Hot chili peppers
- In the blistering sun ♪
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- 02:18:13,326 --> 02:18:16,121
- ♪ Dust on my face and my cape ♪
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- 02:18:18,790 --> 02:18:21,710
- ♪ Me and Magdalena on the run ♪
- 2273
- 02:18:24,212 --> 02:18:27,924
- ♪ I think this time we shall escape ♪
- 2274
- 02:18:29,384 --> 02:18:32,429
- ♪ Sold my guitar to the baker's son ♪
- 2275
- 02:18:34,889 --> 02:18:38,685
- ♪ For a few crumbs and a place to hide ♪
- 2276
- 02:18:40,312 --> 02:18:43,189
- ♪ But I can get another one ♪
- 2277
- 02:18:45,191 --> 02:18:49,279
- ♪ And I'll play for Magdalena as we ride ♪
- 2278
- 02:18:50,322 --> 02:18:53,033
- ♪ No llores, mi querida ♪
- 2279
- 02:18:53,825 --> 02:18:55,535
- ♪ Dios nos vigila ♪
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- 02:18:56,036 --> 02:18:59,873
- ♪ Soon the horse will take us to Durango ♪
- 2281
- 02:19:00,498 --> 02:19:03,251
- ♪ Agárrame, mi vida ♪
- 2282
- 02:19:03,460 --> 02:19:05,545
- ♪ Soon the desert will be gone ♪
- 2283
- 02:19:06,171 --> 02:19:09,924
- ♪ Soon you will be dancing the fandango ♪
- 2284
- 02:19:21,144 --> 02:19:24,189
- ♪ Past the Aztec ruins
- And the ghosts of our people ♪
- 2285
- 02:19:26,066 --> 02:19:29,444
- ♪ Hoofbeats like castanets on stone ♪
- 2286
- 02:19:30,612 --> 02:19:33,823
- ♪ At night, I dream of bells
- In the village steeple ♪
- 2287
- 02:19:35,367 --> 02:19:39,287
- ♪ Then I see the bloody face of Ramon ♪
- 2288
- 02:19:40,372 --> 02:19:43,666
- ♪ Was it me that shot him down
- In the cantina? ♪
- 2289
- 02:19:45,960 --> 02:19:49,130
- ♪ Was it my hand that held the gun? ♪
- 2290
- 02:19:50,799 --> 02:19:53,635
- ♪ Come let us fly, my Magdalena ♪
- 2291
- 02:19:55,428 --> 02:19:58,640
- ♪ The dogs are barking
- And what's done is done ♪
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- 02:19:59,849 --> 02:20:02,727
- ♪ No llores, mi querida ♪
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- 02:20:03,269 --> 02:20:05,021
- ♪ Dios nos vigila ♪
- 2294
- 02:20:05,647 --> 02:20:09,025
- ♪ Soon the horse will take us to Durango ♪
- 2295
- 02:20:09,818 --> 02:20:12,362
- ♪ Agárrame, mi vida ♪
- 2296
- 02:20:12,445 --> 02:20:14,656
- ♪ Soon the desert will be gone ♪
- 2297
- 02:20:15,240 --> 02:20:18,743
- ♪ Soon you will be dancing the fandango ♪
- 2298
- 02:20:29,212 --> 02:20:32,465
- ♪ At the corrida, we'll sit in the shade ♪
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- 02:20:34,008 --> 02:20:37,345
- ♪ And watch the young torero stand alone ♪
- 2300
- 02:20:39,013 --> 02:20:42,308
- ♪ Drank tequila
- Where our grandfathers stayed ♪
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- 02:20:43,393 --> 02:20:46,896
- ♪ When they rode with Villa into Torreón ♪
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- 02:20:48,356 --> 02:20:51,901
- ♪ And the padre will recite
- The prayers of old ♪
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- 02:20:53,194 --> 02:20:56,948
- ♪ In the little church this side of town ♪
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- 02:20:57,991 --> 02:21:01,453
- ♪ I'll wear new boots
- And an earring of gold ♪
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- 02:21:02,662 --> 02:21:06,458
- ♪ You'll shine with diamonds
- In your wedding gown ♪
- 2306
- 02:21:08,126 --> 02:21:10,962
- ♪ Was that the thunder that I heard? ♪
- 2307
- 02:21:12,797 --> 02:21:15,842
- ♪ My head is vibrating
- I feel a sharp pain ♪
- 2308
- 02:21:17,385 --> 02:21:20,138
- ♪ Come sit by me, don't say a word ♪
- 2309
- 02:21:22,182 --> 02:21:25,393
- ♪ Oh, can it be that I am slain? ♪
- 2310
- 02:21:26,895 --> 02:21:29,397
- ♪ Quick, Magdalena, take my gun ♪
- 2311
- 02:21:31,608 --> 02:21:34,819
- ♪ Look up in the hills
- That flash of light ♪
- 2312
- 02:21:36,529 --> 02:21:39,157
- ♪ Aim well, my little one ♪
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- 02:21:41,117 --> 02:21:44,621
- ♪ We may not make it through the night ♪
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