Misunderstanding

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[00:34] <FisherP> I'd like to see some method to switch the 3D acceleration requirement off and on when needed for games etc
[00:35] <FisherP> unity is a good interface, but any sort of application that needs OpenGL requires you to exit unity3D and go into 2D
[00:35] <tripknotix> i believe 3d accelleration of 2D elements actually run significantly faster than non 3d accel'd
[00:35] <tripknotix> ultimately they do it more efficiently as well
[00:36] <FisherP> that's fine
[00:36] <tripknotix> a graphics card can do 2d in under 10% wattage,  where the cpu would use 100% wattage
[00:36] <FisherP> and it's oood to use a gpu for anything graphical
[00:36] <FisherP> oood=good
[00:36] <tripknotix> infact thats the current issue right now with flash, all of these facebook games were built fro 2d,  but behind the scenes i hear alot of chatter about building systems to por ttheir current games to 3d acceleration
[00:37] <FisherP> but for applications that need to use opengl if the desktop is hogging that resource the fps drops too
[00:37] <jorgenpt> Flash accelerates 2D rendering, though.
[00:37] <tripknotix> the idea being that if the machine doesnt have a card, it will function th esame as if they built it for 2d
[00:38] <FisherP> do you know what i mean tripknotix
[00:39] <FisherP> i know that linux really isn't a gaming platform, but (and this is an area of contention) if it ever expects to really win against windows or apple on the desktop it needs to appeal a bit more to gamers
[00:40] <Deozaan> I'd probably switch to linux if all my games worked on it.
[00:40] <FisherP> thanks for supporting my point Deozaan
[00:40] <tripknotix> theres an official adobe version of this, but i cant find the link, it was on adobe labs, http://www.flashrealtime.com/m2d/
[00:41] <FisherP> well, partially anyway
[00:41] <Alphacat> Define 'win'
[00:41] <jorgenpt> FisherP: http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/26/left4dead4linux-valve-working-on-penguin-steam-client/
[00:41] <tripknotix> apple didnt need to appeal to gamers, and was profitable in gettign into college hands for graphic design, and video production, you just gotta find a niche for linux
[00:41] <tripknotix> like hacking
[00:42] <tripknotix> =P
[00:42] <Deozaan> servers
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[00:42] <tripknotix> http://blog.flash-core.com/ theres another 2d gpu accelled engine
[00:42] <FisherP> I suppose i would define "win" as becoming more popular
[00:43] <Alphacat> It's not going to be gaming that drives wider adoption of Linux, it's going to be usability and application support.
[00:43] <Alphacat> Well, not gaming by itself, anyway.
[00:44] <FisherP> Alphacat: this is true too, but with gaming companyies like Valve and Steam supporting linux
[00:44] <jorgenpt> FisherP: Did you get my link?
[00:44] <tripknotix> i think what wil be interesting, is the Windows 8 Arm,  without support for any applications not redesigned for it, its hard to say
[00:44] <jorgenpt> FisherP: Also, Valve = Steam.
[00:44] <FisherP> we can't afford to alienate another market
[00:44] <FisherP> jorgenpt: sry, the irc client crashed, can you link me again
[00:44] <tripknotix> if anything linux shouldve tried to make tablet os compatibility
[00:44] <jorgenpt> FisherP: http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/26/left4dead4linux-valve-working-on-penguin-steam-client/
[00:44] <FisherP> jorgenpt: sry, thot they were diff
[00:44] <tripknotix> what if tablets take over, what would be teh point in linux then
[00:44] <Alphacat> Actually, I didn't think Valve had actually made an official statement saying they're supporting Linux yet.
[00:45] <Deozaan> tripknotix Haven't you heard of Ubuntu on Android?
[00:45] <jorgenpt> FisherP: Steam is an app, Valve made it.
[00:45] <jorgenpt> Alphacat: To Phoronix, supposedly.
[00:45] <tripknotix> i had ubuntu on my windows phone 6.5
[00:45] <FisherP> no, valve isn't yet, but they are seriously developing for it
[00:45] <Alphacat> Yeah, but that's second hand. =P
[00:45] <tripknotix> when android was a baby i had linux on my windows phone Deozaan
[00:45] <Deozaan> :)
[00:45] <tripknotix> were talking about serious linux popularity here
[00:46] <tripknotix> not a few thousand people playing with a hack
[00:46] <jorgenpt> Alphacat: I'm a bit skeptical to Phoronix in general, but I'd have assumed they would've debunked it if it it was all hogwash.
[00:46] <Deozaan> Slackware?
[00:46] <FisherP> i guess my point is, that i think the unity team should think about the option of either dynamically or manually allowing a switch
[00:46] <tripknotix> a switch for what
[00:46] <Alphacat> jorgenpt: Oh, they probably are. I'm just pointing out that Valve hasn't /officially/ stated they are yet.
[00:46] <jorgenpt> Also, Alphacat: http://www.valvesoftware.com/job-SenSoftEngineer.html
[00:46] <jorgenpt> Alphacat: "Port Windows-based games to the Linux platform"
[00:47] <Nameless> The problem with Linux is that it's directly competing against microsoft as a software desktop OS. Reason Apple succeeded is because they didn't compete directly with Microsoft and they aren't just selling by software. They enter the market as a total package. Right now there's not enough reason for most users to adaopt Linux because they don't see the value in it. And they don't want to
[00:47] <Nameless> relearn how to use another OS. If Linux wish to reach critical mass, it needs hardware support.
[00:47] <FisherP> to change the desktop rendering to 2d when another app required the performance of the 3d acceleration
[00:47] <tripknotix> i think trying to run any unity game on the cpu would yeild the same results as flash,  5,000 polygons total
[00:47] <FisherP> at the moment games have a big fps hit
[00:47] <tripknotix> does that do more harm then help
[00:47] <tripknotix> ask yourself that question FisherP
[00:47] <tripknotix> for the majority of people out there
[00:47] <tripknotix> the bigger picture
[00:48] <Alphacat> jorgenpt: Sure, but lots of companies work on things that never get released. (Although I'd say this one has a pretty good shot.)
[00:49] <Alphacat> You don't have to convince me. =P I'm just pointing out nothing's official until Valve says something about it.
[00:49] <jorgenpt> Sure. :-)
[00:50] <Alphacat> And Nameless has a good point.
[00:50] <FisherP> tripknotix: do you play minecraft?
[00:51] <Alphacat> I installed a dual-boot into Ubuntu on this machine when I set it up, but I never got around to using it because I was too lazy to refigure out my workflow.
[00:52] <FisherP> i play minecraft a little bit, and I know that I can't play in unity3d
[00:52] <FisherP> i have to resort to unity2d
[00:52] <FisherP> for decent performance
[00:52] <Alphacat> ( Also, I forgot my Ubuntu password at some point. That was a little embarrasing. )
[00:53] <FisherP> or kde where i can toggle compositing off
[00:53] <Alphacat> Unity2D? What?
[00:54] <FisherP> i take it this is an irc channel for the unity desktop for ubuntu (otherwise I'm really in the wrong place and very embarassed)
[00:54] <Alphacat> No, this is a chatroom for the game development tool Unity 3D.
[00:54] <Alphacat> *engine
[00:55] <FisherP> oh, (turns red with embarassment)
[00:55] <FisherP> sry guys
[00:55] <FisherP> forget everything I said
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[00:57] <jorgenpt> Hahaha
[00:57] <Alphacat> Wow.
[00:57] <jorgenpt> That's hilarious.
[00:57] <Alphacat> Yeah, he said Unity2D, I went 'wtf', Googled it, and was thinking 'there's no way...'