[20:49:11] Elemyr tells you 'heh'
[20:49:13] Elemyr tells you 'damn'
[20:49:54] Elemyr tells you 'Imagine returning to the game when you don't remember all the skills of your char and you realize some of your eq is gone and some is expired and your redemption is hungry.'
[20:50:03] Elemyr tells you 'just makes it a bit worse.'
[20:50:31] You tell Elemyr 'well, that's what we deal with when we go inactive'
[20:50:45] Miaa tells you 'so how do you get the redemption'
[20:51:01] You tell Elemyr 'it's not right that someone should be able to leave for 5 years, come back, and still fuck everyone up who plays every day'
[20:51:01] Miaa tells you 'now i got timepiece, i know you have to pay something to upgrade it to redemption.'
[20:51:06] Miaa tells you 'and have 3 spells pracd.'
[20:51:11] You tell Miaa 'you don't pay anything'
[20:51:30] Elemyr tells you 'That doesn't work as a reason'
[20:51:31] A sepulchral voice announces, 'All congratulate Arlox, who has undertaken the Quest of Arbaces!'
[20:51:41] Elemyr tells you 'Unless you want people to not come back'
[20:51:50] You tell Miaa 'you find the down in decara ocean and go down there, with lev on,and tell the leper <<killology>>'
[20:52:09] You tell Elemyr 'mm has always been that way'
[20:52:24] Elemyr tells you 'Not always but increasingly over time'
[20:52:38] Miaa tells you 'and he just upgrades it right there'
[20:52:40] You tell Miaa 'ever since they made the important items nodecay'
[20:52:41] You tell Miaa 'mis'
[20:52:52] You tell Elemyr 'ever since they made the important items nodecay'
[20:52:54] Elemyr tells you 'When a player leaves for a while, upon coming back, they're not into the game yet.'
[20:53:17] You tell Elemyr 'right, but when you come back, your aura is yours, your spell delivery is yours, etc'
[20:53:24] You tell Elemyr 'that used to have a year lifespan each'
[20:53:32] You tell Elemyr 'every year you have to donate to stay good'
[20:53:42] You tell Elemyr 'i'd argue it's gotten easier to leave and come back'
[20:54:14] You tell Weezy 'how about it?'
[20:54:34] Weezy tells you '420k just for fun'
[20:54:38] Weezy tells you 'where are you'
[20:55:13] Elemyr tells you 'When a player returns and is not into the game again yet, they need damn strong nostalgia to choose to get into the game while dealing with punitive measures'
[20:55:16] Elemyr tells you 'Some do'
[20:55:31] Elemyr tells you 'Some just sit in social until they more engaged bit by bit and get some stuff'
[20:55:42] You tell Elemyr 'it's not punative though'
[20:55:50] You tell Elemyr 'if it were punative'
[20:55:54] Elemyr tells you 'I'm not refering to the intent'
[20:56:00] Elemyr tells you 'I'm referring to the effect'
[20:56:01] You tell Elemyr 'right but even still'
[20:56:06] Sevaum@#troll: wait a second
[20:56:13] Sevaum@#troll: you didnt practice perception??
[20:56:16] Sevaum@#troll: lol
[20:56:16] Elemyr tells you 'it's negative reinforcement'
[20:56:30] You tell Elemyr 'not really though'
[20:56:35] You tell Elemyr 'so like'
[20:56:50] You tell Elemyr 'the object isn't negative reinforcement of coming back'
[20:56:58] You tell Elemyr 'it's positive reinforcement of staying active'
[20:57:25] You tell Elemyr 'that trickiest mights is going to expire regardless of your activity, by your own descion do you go inactive, it's not punative'
[20:57:32] Elemyr tells you 'As long as you're active, you don't notice it. It's just the normal state'
[20:57:48] You tell Elemyr 'but the point still remains it decays regardless of you being signed on'
[20:58:12] You tell Weezy 'the 20k comes on delivry'
[20:58:14] You tell Weezy 'heh'
[20:58:22] Weezy tells you 'ha'
[20:58:23] You tell Weezy 'simply because i have it on hand'
[20:58:35] You tell Weezy 'where arey ou'
[20:58:47] Weezy tells you 'dio but i'll be in sigil in a min'
[20:59:16] You tell Weezy 'be there in a min'
[20:59:25] You tell Iyara 'man'
[20:59:53] You tell Iyara 'i'm not encouraging you to snoop on me but you'd be happy about my stance on the convo i'm having'
[21:00:00] You tell Iyara 'hah'
[21:00:47] Elemyr tells you 'It would be better if the expiration timer wasn't always active when a player is away for an extended time. For example, it could be like alignment. The timer is active for some time and is then frozen for extended absence. The 'some time' could be reasonably long.'
[21:01:22] [TALK C] Arlox: 'anyone selling a heavens wrath??'
[21:02:46] You tell Elemyr 'see but that isn't fair either'
[21:03:02] You tell Elemyr 'because i could just take my trickiest and put it on an alt i dont touch for a year until pk spices back up or something'
[21:03:17] You tell Elemyr 'put all my op stuff on an alt for storage until i need it'
[21:03:25] Elemyr tells you 'There are many reasons for such an absense. Military service often causes this even just with training and regular tour. Other things coming up in life. But also it's silly to blame a player for quitting a game for some time.'
[21:03:48] You tell Elemyr 'nobody is being blamed'
[21:03:53] Elemyr tells you 'Religions require constant dedication - I don't want games to be like that.'
[21:04:09] Elemyr tells you 'If one can put eq on an alt, that's an issue to solve with accounts'
[21:04:45] Signoff at Mon Jun 11 23:04:43 2018 for Apex detected.
[21:04:50] You tell Elemyr 'and devalue half the equipment by making it owner only?'
[21:05:13] You tell Elemyr 'mights won't sell for much if only one person can wear them'
[21:05:38] Elemyr tells you 'no'
[21:05:40] Elemyr tells you 'not owner only'
[21:05:46] You tell Elemyr 'how many people quit when relics started to bind'
[21:05:58] Elemyr tells you 'I'm not talking about binding or owner only'
[21:06:31] Elemyr tells you 'I'm talking about player account management rather than management of individual character accounts'
[21:07:15] You tell Elemyr 'that's also tricky'
[21:08:06] You tell Elemyr 'i don't want to bind all my alts to supernac'
[21:08:31] Elemyr tells you 'Yes it's tricky to enforce'
[21:08:36] You tell Elemyr 'and the value of the items would still plummit, not entirely but severely'
[21:08:50] Elemyr tells you 'Why?'
[21:09:00] You tell Elemyr 'because only i can wear my mights'
[21:09:04] Elemyr tells you 'Why?'
[21:09:13] You tell Elemyr 'how can i sell you something that's bound to me?'
[21:09:18] Elemyr tells you 'Why should it be bound to you?'
[21:09:25] You tell Elemyr 'bound to my "account"'
[21:09:33] Elemyr tells you 'I'm not saying items are account bound'
[21:09:37] You tell Elemyr 'you just did lol'
[21:09:43] You tell Elemyr 'instead of player bound'
[21:09:45] Elemyr tells you 'I'm saying account activity is considered, rather than player activity'
[21:09:57] Elemyr tells you 'No, no, I'm not talking about binding items at all'
[21:10:04] Elemyr tells you 'I'm trying to move you away from that discussion'
[21:10:31] You tell Elemyr 'so you're saying, if my mightiest is bound to my account and the timer stops after (x) amount of time not logged in'
[21:10:40] Elemyr tells you 'It's not bound to your account'
[21:10:44] Elemyr tells you 'no binding!'
[21:10:45] Iyara tells you ':)'
[21:10:45] You tell Iyara 'okay'
[21:10:47] You tell Iyara 'miss'
[21:10:50] You tell Elemyr 'okay but'
[21:10:54] Iyara tells you '(reply is evil)'
[21:11:28] You tell Elemyr 'you want an item to recognize i haven't signed on in over (x) days and timer to pause'
[21:11:40] You tell Elemyr 'what's to stop me from having a storage character for all my good gear?'
[21:11:43] You tell Elemyr 'unless it's bound'
[21:11:58] Elemyr tells you 'You don't need to bind anything to determine when to freeze all item timers on characters. But the freezing would need to be account-based with multiple characters per account. This would not devalue items. The difficult part is in preventing fake accounts.'
[21:12:06] You tell Elemyr 'but you do, if you want it to work.'
[21:12:11] Elemyr tells you 'you don't'
[21:12:20] You tell Elemyr 'then why don't i just use a storage char?'
[21:12:51] Elemyr tells you 'because as long as you log on to any char in your account, nothing is frozen on your storage char'
[21:13:06] You tell Elemyr 'my "account" '
[21:13:11] You tell Elemyr 'how do you determine i'm on my account'
[21:13:14] Elemyr tells you 'doesn't mean items are account-bound'
[21:13:17] You tell Elemyr 'right'
[21:13:19] Elemyr tells you 'they're not bound'
[21:13:44] You tell Elemyr 'if i don't associate the char's together'
[21:14:09] Elemyr tells you 'That's the thing - keeping one account per player is easy in pay to play games but requires some changes that might make people unhappy in free to play games. It would be a loss of anonymity.'
[21:14:22] You tell Elemyr 'track they already monitor your ip bro'
[21:14:30] You tell Elemyr 'but what happens when i go to my moms?'
[21:14:37] Elemyr tells you 'that is not a reliable thing to monitor'
[21:14:38] You tell Elemyr 'or my brothers'
[21:14:42] You tell Elemyr 'exactly'
[21:14:46] You tell Elemyr 'i could sign on with a vpn'
[21:14:59] You tell Elemyr 'all of a sudden my account can't be validated'
[21:15:05] Elemyr tells you 'Why are you insisting they monitor IP to do this though?'
[21:15:20] You tell Elemyr 'how else could you succesfully know i'm using my "account" like'
[21:15:22] You tell Elemyr 'i'm saying'
[21:15:25] You tell Elemyr 'if i use a char'
[21:15:27] You tell Elemyr 'that nobody knows is me'
[21:15:33] You tell Elemyr 'which is probable'
[21:15:38] You tell Elemyr 'and put gear on it'
[21:15:43] You tell Elemyr 'and don't touch it for a year'
[21:15:56] You tell Elemyr 'how would you know that's my char and since i'm on super don't pause the timer?'
[21:16:20] Elemyr tells you 'I already said, when you were still talking about items binding, and again after, that the difficult part is in ensuring that players can't make fake accounts so that there is one per person.'
[21:16:29] Elemyr tells you 'Which is not difficult for pay to play games.'
[21:16:30] You tell Elemyr 'but, how?'
[21:16:43] You tell Elemyr 'i have over a dozen characters'
[21:16:47] You tell Elemyr 'none of them are "fake"'
[21:16:55] You tell Elemyr 'only 3 are known'
[21:17:14] Elemyr tells you 'No because there is no such thing as "fake" in this game because there is no such thing is a single account per person.'
[21:17:23] You tell Elemyr 'so, how then?'
[21:17:34] You tell Iyara 'man i want to pastie this to ya'
[21:17:45] You tell Iyara 'lol too bad it's not a public discussion'
[21:17:57] You tell Iyara 'it'd make for a good one tbh'
[21:18:57] Elemyr tells you 'In pay to play games, an account is easy to link to a real identity by requiring a real identity backing a payment. In free to play games, it's tricky to get anything reliable that is flexible. There are mechanisms like facebook and google sign in but these can be gamed by anyone determined to do so.'
[21:19:25] You tell Elemyr 'okay so now you're saying to take in my personal information'
[21:19:40] You tell Elemyr 'link my account to a payment method'
[21:19:46] Elemyr tells you 'It's not a pay to play game'
[21:20:11] You tell Elemyr 'and the security wouldn't support it'
[21:20:19] You tell Elemyr 'so, link my facebook to my account then?'
[21:20:29] You tell Elemyr 'or my google account?'
[21:21:03] You tell Elemyr 'that still doesn't stop me from having several emails, to which players are attached. it's still circumventable, until it is foolproof they're going with this method'