[00:02:11] <csdserver> at the same time you could have a little foresight to know when something is futile
[00:02:12] <strike_> this is the future...of now
[00:02:16] <csdserver> and not bother with it.
[00:02:22] <Prot> quite
[00:02:29] <WithinADream> Prot: 7 billion people aren't a minority of protestors. The Rulers of the system are very few yes. But if all the people change individually, the system has no choice but to change aswell.
[00:02:30] <Prot> thats why I"m always railing against distractions like end the fed
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[00:02:39] <Prot> if you want change, you should focus on things that can change
[00:02:47] <somerton1951>  the point is finding a way to change your own life -- not someone else
[00:02:48] <Prot> and not harp over conspiracy. thats how you waste your movement
[00:03:01] <somerton1951> how to become more effective as a person
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[00:03:05] <Prot> WithinADream: i don't know how you managed to get confused on that point
[00:03:24] <Chrisguitarpiano> well I'll see you guys later.
[00:04:16] <strike_> I like to change by planting something with love that may grow into something beautiful later on weather or not i'm around to see it or not
[00:04:59] <somerton1951> what do people think is going to change? living? needing shelter? strike -- you mean you've never planted anything? where do you live?
[00:05:01] <Prot> good, you're changing something else, not yourself
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[00:05:30] <Prot> awareness, engagement, education. these are the ideals of ows
[00:05:32] <raijin> troll infestation
[00:05:34] <csdserver> strike_, like cannabis?
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[00:05:37] <strike_> take care of your garden and it may take care of you
[00:05:45] <WithinADream> Prot: How is that not changing yourself?
[00:05:50] <raijin> Prot: justice peace equality actually
[00:05:52] <Prot> education is, I"ll agree there
[00:05:54] <strike_> like life
[00:06:08] <Prot> raijin: i'd say those are the goals
[00:06:11] <raijin> and each occupation is different
[00:06:14] <raijin> ideals
[00:06:14] <somerton1951> maybe the problem is that young people have no real experience with basics, too much entertainment/technology
[00:06:19] <Prot> symantics
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[00:06:29] <raijin> awareness engagement and education are goals
[00:06:33] <raijin> not semantics
[00:06:36] <akrazyrunner> Hello there eveyone
[00:06:37] <strike_> something like that
[00:06:43] <Prot> I say education is most important. people are still completely clueless on the most basic information about money, govt, everything
[00:06:48] <Prot> chronically clueless
[00:06:52] <WithinADream> Prot: I'm just pointing out that we can't just continue doing what we are normally doing afterwards, and expect a different result. So we have to change ourselves first. And the people in this movement are doing exactly that. And it is because of this that things are changing.
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[00:07:02] <raijin> Prot: and you are so clever i suppose
[00:07:07] <somerton1951> how many people here grew up with gardens? planting veggies? flowers?
[00:07:11] <Prot> raijin: indeed
[00:07:14] <Prot> ask me anything
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[00:07:21] <Prot> lol really
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[00:07:30] <somerton1951>  how many people really have studied economics? finance?
[00:07:30] <strike_> learned from my mom
[00:07:41] <Prot> somerton1951: basic. and I mean basic
[00:07:47] <strike_> which can you eat
[00:07:51] <raijin> somerton1951: why
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[00:08:03] <somerton1951> so many people seem LOST. well I guess this is the time to get back to reality
[00:08:06] <csdserver> somerton1951, i just slept in a holiday inn express
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[00:08:15] <George__> sleep
[00:08:15] <somerton1951> ??
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[00:08:27] <csdserver> well that's an abuse of power...
[00:08:34] <raijin> actually
[00:08:37] <Prot> people, especially in here, are constantly harping over obama doing tarp, when he wasn't even president. shit like that. education needs to be paramount
[00:08:38] <raijin> you want to see abuse?
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[00:08:57] <Prot> ...
[00:09:06] <Prot> done being funny?
[00:09:20] <Pharsalia> Wow.
[00:09:25] <raijin> ? you think i am joking?
[00:09:32] <Prot> you're really banning him?
[00:09:32] <WithinADream> Prot: Don't underestimate a change in the way you see things and the way you interact with people. That's the real catalyst of any actual change. We can help eachother to do things more efficiently, but as long as we still have the mindset of separation and survival of the fittest and that sort of thing. "Take what you can for yourself, don't worry about the one next to you". Then we will quickly find ourselves in similar
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[00:10:23] <raijin> Prot: I suggest you go back to your convo if you value it
[00:10:33] <Prot> raijin: things were kinda interrupted by your ban here
[00:10:46] <raijin> ok ban over
[00:10:56] <somerton1951> what happened to csdserver??
[00:11:05] <csdserver> i was unoccupied
[00:11:17] <raijin> lawl
[00:11:23] <strike_> May the earth continue to live May the heavens above continue to live May the rains continue to dampen the land May the wet forrest continue to grow Then the flowers shall bloom And we people shall live again.
[00:11:23] <somerton1951> what was that?
[00:11:24] <raijin> de-occupied
[00:11:40] <somerton1951> explain?
[00:11:48] raijin rolls eyes
[00:11:53] <csdserver> it's not worth discussing.
[00:11:53] <Prot> i'd like to hear why he was banned as well
[00:11:57] <strike_> Hawaiian prayer
[00:12:00] <dutchie_> me too
[00:12:15] <akrazyrunner> and these children that you spit on as they try to change their worlds, they are immune to your consultations, they're quite aware of what they're going through
[00:12:21] <Pharsalia> Abuse of power?
[00:12:27] <raijin> ok
[00:12:27] <strike_> censorship happens
[00:12:29] <Prot> i'm going with abuse of power as well
[00:12:36] <Prot> oakland style
[00:12:38] <raijin> y'all want to continue
[00:12:49] <raijin> i suggest you stfu and go on about your business
[00:12:56] <Prot> move along citizen, right?
[00:13:00] <raijin> yup
[00:13:10] <Pharsalia> Ugh.
[00:13:14] <strike_> don't worry about what you can't fix, fix what you can
[00:13:16] <Prot> i'd like to see you ban people less when they did nothing wrong, raijin
[00:13:16] <meefs> raijin, no way to run a chatroom sir
[00:13:23] <raijin> meefs: did nto ask you
[00:13:33] <raijin> Prot: who have i banned
[00:13:35] <meefs> I told you, you're welcome
[00:13:35] <raijin> not*
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[00:13:42] <WithinADream> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXsoakk3GRk Chaplin Speech
[00:13:44] <anarchabot> WithinADream: [        The Great Dictator Speech (Charlie Chaplin) & Inception Soundtrack (Time)      - YouTube  ]
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[00:13:57] <raijin> you are now officially whinging about nothing
[00:14:04] <meefs> thanks for bringing this channel down to the morality of the playground raijin
[00:14:11] <somerton1951> So is this about a discussion or is that not possible here?
[00:14:11] <raijin> yhw
[00:14:25] <raijin> not possible, people want to complain  too much
[00:14:30] <strike_> it possible
[00:14:33] <meefs> dude
[00:14:34] <Prot> hey guys, who wants to whine about nothing with me? join #occupywallst-adm
[00:14:38] <Prot> gonna report raijin
[00:14:43] <meefs> we were discussing stuff earlier
[00:14:45] <csdserver> as the victim of the mistaken banning, i do not hold raijin in contempt.  we can all get overzealous at times, especially when this forum and this topic draw major attention from trolls.
[00:14:54] <raijin> HA
[00:14:55] <strike_> love may be needed
[00:15:04] <meefs> digital love
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[00:15:22] <raijin> Prot- i am now tired of you and you little power games
[00:15:25] <somerton1951> so has ows come up with any consensus about goals or objectives?
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