Verlux v. Mik:

Verlux v. Mikhail
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Mik R1
 * Mik's team is smart/can predict the future so they can plan ahead n stuff
	* + Can communicate
	* Makes more effective
 * One shot at range
	* Force Choke kills 3/5 of opponents, incaps 2/5
	* Force lightning fries
	* Cap's shield is sharp
	* Wax has strong bullets + turns enemies weapons against them
 * Can take a lot of damage
	* Wax fucks over (metallic) ranged attacks
	* Wax can detect opponents
	* Rest tough to hit
 * Wins in CQC too
	* Palpatine can use lightsabers to cut
	* Cap stuff
	* Niko strong
	* Mannequin cutty
* Weaknesses n stuff
	* Jason has no piercing + feats
	* Satou gets trapped
	* Predator KE dura bad
	* Punisher/Roland have bad dura
Verlux R1
 * Jason
	* Can
tank bullets/KE/electricity
	* Jason can close the distance
	* Jason stabs and murder everyone on Mik's team
	* Jason will know where everyone is
 * Roland
	* Roland fires quickly
	* Roland is accurate and reloads quickly
	* Roland's bullets blow up everyone save Mannequin
	* Has meme senses
 * Satou
	* Mik's team will kill him, and then Satou can gank them
	* Fast enough to pull off regen kill
	* Black Ghost mogs
 * Predator
	* Stealth memes
	* Predator can deal a lot of damage
 * Punisher
	* Fires quickly/is accurate
	* Can tank most damage
	* Fucks with intent sensing
 * Goes into how he thinks the fight will go
 * Palpatine is slow/lightning largely useless
 * Cap gets shot
 * Niko gets shot
 * Wax too slow

Mik R2
 * Verlux's scenario requires a very specific plan w/ a team of loners
 * Palpatine
	* Senses aren't purely telepathic + feats
	* Verlux underestimates lightning
 * Cap
	* Context on Verlux scan/has good injury tolerance
	* Has shield/kevlar
	* More injury tolerance feats
 * Wax
	* Makes it statistically unlikely to be hit
	* Manips bullets
 * Mannequin
	* Fleshes out argument more
	* Satou's explosives are limited/will likely be set off early
 * Niko
	* Niko can only lose at range, mogs in CQC
 * Jason
	* Can be easily incapped
	* Decent movement, bad reaction
 * Roland/Punisher
	* Get force choked
	* Wax makes guns useless
 * Satou
	* Gets KO'd
	* Ghost not invisible/is one shot
 * Predator
	* Most of Mik's team has way around invis
	* Counters stuff
 * Synergy
	* Restates his synergy argument
	* Verlux team's bad
 * Mik's team has a huge edge in ranged

Verlux R2
 * Palpatine more like Badpatine
	* Argues Palpatine can't lift foes due to force movement stip
	* Palp doesn't open with force choke
	* Palp can't communicate with non force sensitives
 * Cap
	* Cap's shield isn't sufficiently durable to block Roland's bullets
 * Niko
	* Niko gets shot
 * Wax
	* Also gets shot
	* Not great out of range
 * Mannequin
	* Is slow
	* Chains bad
	* Not durable
 * Lots of rearguing stuff/more evidence

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OOT

Palpatine - Is in tier, most of his attacks are either ineffective against Tierminator or Tierminator has superiority in some way (i.e. range)

Wax - Is in tier, while he can likely deflect many of Tierminator's shots, I agreed with Mik on basically everything else

Roland - Is in tier, he can take out Tierminator, but not super duper quickly and is a glass cannon

Jason - Is in tier, its basically two tanks in a slugmatch

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Judgement

As I see it, the following arguments hold true in this debate (the debater who I'm agreeing with is in parentheses):

 * (Verlux) - Roland and Punisher will get off their shots first, targeting vital points
 * (Mik) Both will likely miss most of their shots due to stuff in the way (they are in separate rooms)
 * (Mik) Any of the bullets that reach his team if not all will veer off course and miss due to Wax's passive field
 * Mik's team will need to close the distance a bit and once they do Palpatine will start force choking
	* In the meantime the first three things will repeat themselves, with there being some possibility bullets don't

If Palpatine can get within force choke range, he can incap/kill most of the opponents team fairly handily.  Considering that Verlux's two key ranged fighters are the two most vulnerable to a force choke/most of Mik's teams attacks, and that Mik's team will have a decent understanding of the enviroment/intentions so a trap is unlikely imo its more probabilistic for Palpatine to survive to within range.

At the point hat Mik's team gets within range/CQC I think Mik argued sufficiently that his team has an edge there.

Its a damn close match, but I think Mik's team is more likely to have a coherent strategy to utilize the environment in their favor.  If this was a flat open field, I'd say Verlux probably would've won, but with the arena factored in **Mik Wins**