Well the 42% offsim time is the # that stands out most.  So time to shuffle the deck. etting Selkra go as a GM,  letting @Nipton the Librarian go as aGM/Group Lead, sys stuff is between you and Ren.    Giving @Aliton and @Avram 3 days to give me some sort of status update to confirm GM status.
Rogue - Today at 3:24 AM
not trying to set any alarms off or anything, just pointing out. and yeah the 42% for sure
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:26 AM
O
I'm getting removed from Jedi?
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 3:28 AM
Uhm. Just saying that Nipton has been working hard on shit behind the scenes.
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 3:28 AM
Yeah,  I mean in the last 6 weeks you've spent a total of about 20 hours here, combined
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:28 AM
Yeah. Its fine hart
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 3:28 AM
You've spent 25%+ that today ALONE elsewhere
so the lack of care is pretty clear
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:28 AM
Alright
I've been working on things as of late and taking time to get some RP and get my head back in the game
I've had a list of council members and training NCs being written up and ideas for the future
but.
I understand so.
It's been fun
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 3:31 AM
Jesus now is NOT the time to be doing this.  Fucks sake
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 3:31 AM
There isn't going to be a RP to get back to though if all the leads are somewhere else all the time, the players notice this almost as much as I do, only they don't care as much as I do and I don't expect them to.  They say nothing, they just look at the staff boards see how many yellow offlines are there and go "next stop!"
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 3:32 AM
I've been the first to call out Nipton and others when they weren't doing anything. But yeah Nipton has been working on stuff lately. Zen you dont need another scapegoat situation. How many staff need to be driven off.
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 3:32 AM
Buy why kill off a lead when there is being progress made, steps taken?
Not to mention, NO ONE to take his spot?
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:35 AM
No, I've been on sim. I'm not going to deny that I have, and I gave my reasons why. If thats not okay then I'll accept it. I've been willing to step down as I know I've been in a literal shit way the past forever. I had a bit of hope but I see where we are now so.. It is what it is
Rogue - Today at 3:35 AM
i can confirm that liam has been working with people on stuff but at the same time it doesn't look good when several of our staff members are over spending their time at lynnea. how does that help the sim if no one's there to keep things active?
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:37 AM
I'm not arguing about my time on sim here, Rogue, by all rights throw it back in my face.
Like I said, I see the decision made and its been made, so I'm gonna say my goodbyes and wait for my stuff to be removed.
Rogue - Today at 3:37 AM
no need to get all defensive, i'm just pointing out, i'm on no one's side here
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 3:37 AM
Fucking Christ.  JUST STOP IT!
Shit
For fucks sakes.
WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT NOW
It was announced that a time jump would be made
EVERYONE Is focusing on that
It’s what people have wanted.
Nep is working on making the council and getting shit done
Going around with an axe while there is a ghost staff as is is NOT the way to handle it or putting more pressure on staff that were returning from LOA’s that clearly needed to be dealt with.
It’s almost emotional and verbal abuse what I read in here
And usually I keep my mouth shut but I really am pissed off right now.
I’m tired of stuff being bullied, tired of role players going else where because numbers are more important than long term role players that bring worth to story lines.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:38 AM
Need someone to get Cassandra some tags
nvm, got her
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 3:40 AM
How is that a scapegoat? 20 hours in six weeks..   That's like an average of like I don't know 3 hours a week, had 5 or more just today for elsewhere so yeah I'm not sure how I'm supposed to look at it.  I get it, everyone is friends while I'm on my island having to be objective to try to figure out what's best going forward.  I don't know how having some expectations of people in key roles is emotional abuse? I don't think you're looking at it objectively.
Rogue - Today at 3:41 AM
@Sume (Nekomatsume) i don't want anyone to step down either, if things are happening behind the scenes that's fine, but are people just supposed to not RP until the time jump? i mean, i'd like to see some stuff happen between now and then and right now there's not a whole lot happening. i still think it's a staff/player issue, meaning it's not just staff, it's the player base as well
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:41 AM
I told you exactly why I've been absent eva and I told you I'd get shit done in the timeframe you gave me
YOU didn't give me that timeframe while I was in the MIDDLE of working on it
So, I'll accept it graciously.
and I'll move on.
Guys.
Its fine.
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 3:42 AM
Shit needs to be worked on over time. BHG, Dregs, Black sun all need shit happening. Inquisiton and Jedi too. E.g why does Black sun still not have a leader publicly announced. A dozen players have slowly drifted into the void because their rp revolved around that.  Inqs too, lets be real the loss of Alex is fucking huge loss for that faction. Could nipton have done more previously, yeah for sure. Should have been addressed 4 weeks ago. Is he doing stuff now? I've noticed yes. Like this fucking culling shit is getting ridiculous. You're pushing people away through rash actions against people who help and then mass inaction against the things that dont or the people who actively drag the sim down. But every thing has to be vetted before changes go through, and no backups in place for any of it. Like What happens to the BHG if allissa stops doing stuff ???? What happens to the dregs with Avram ?? What is gonna happen to Inquisiton and Jedi??? Black sun is still rudderless even with a captain.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:42 AM
Someone will take my place just fine, people like jedi.
Tho I don't like that i don't even get to keep being a jedi so lol
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 3:43 AM
And its not all about friends. I've become friends with alex /after and because of/ the actions against her. I'm not friends with nipton at all.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:43 AM
Thats actually true. I haven't added hart. I need to do that
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 3:43 AM
We've spoken once outside of this discord and that was about jedi council stuff
Onnnnnce
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:44 AM
I'll keep the shady looking guy
Do you need to move him btw zen?
I remember you asking about that
Or is he cool where he is?
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 3:46 AM
I am just tired of all the negativity and yes, I see that as emotional abuse.
Rather than "You need to do this, we need to do this."

There is a different way to approach it so it doesn't seem like we are getting flogged to death.
"Hey guys, what can we do to make you and others want to be on the sim more?"
What can be done to boost staff moral?
A lot of us are tired.  Finals, return from LoA, doing as much as we can for the sim...
Some positive reinforcement is needed.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:48 AM
actually I'll just pick up shady guy
someone else can put him down
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 3:49 AM
I am tired of the verbal abuse I get in IMs all the time.  That is me... I can only tolerate so much.
I would like to see more positive things than negative and you'll see a boosted moral.
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 3:49 AM
Yeah,  and I was ok with that, but then your one of those ignoring the sim when it's most in need, and that's you and if that's what you want to do I'm not going to blast you as a person but I do need to take stock of who is invested in trying to get things back to where they should be and whose not.  I don't expect anybody to be like me but I put a ridiculous amount of time, effort and money into trying to keep SWRP going, while no one is being asked to bend over backwards I do expect some dedication out of thosewho want to have a say in a group, the sim as a whole, etc.  If they're not invested but making decisions it's like gambling with someone elses money.  This has already happened onmost accounts Hart.  We're at the point group leads is needing and getting a full overhaul.  Better to say something now.   He's ok I think I worked around them re Shady guy.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:50 AM
If you need either of the vendors moved lemme know, or return them,
Rogue - Today at 3:51 AM
i agree sume, i'm tired of the negativity as well and it's frustrating but at the same time it's not very encouraging to see things going the way they are and with a good portion of our player base on other sims, so that like compounds the negativity for me
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:52 AM
Listen, Eva, I've been putting work into the sim. Have for a long time. I took the Jedi from the ashes and did the best I could within the parameters I have, and NOW with what I know know about the future, I've been getting back into things. It was a slow start, and yeah I was RPing in Lynnea, because I needed some RP (without disturbances) to get me back on track. I get why its happening and thats whatever, I just thought I had the time you gave me. I feel lied to. I feel back stabbed for all the work I have put in, and its mostly backround shit. I GM, I take care of problems that occur, I'll give people tags, I've been getting a council ready. But none of that matters, all that matters is the numbers that you got to see on a screen, not what you've actually seen me do. I don't tend to fly everything I do high, but I've been doing THINGS THAT NEED DONE as of late, because I was ready to return like I said.
But its done and over with now
and thats all it is
so, I've been let go.
Big whoop.
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 3:53 AM
That is when you say "Hey... what can be done to have you here more?  What will give you incentive?"
And that is what is needed.
I get you @Zenless (What is sleep)  it IS a gamble but honestly... when it comes to some groups, it is worth it.
For the Jedi, who do you have to take the spot that wont cause a mass exodus?
For the Black Suns... they've been through the ringer and it was suggested before to down size and work on the factions still stable to support them.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:54 AM
I'd suggest Kora or someone similar
Maybe Valora if she can get more active.
She has good ideas and was the first to give me her NCs
Rogue - Today at 3:56 AM
kora's gonna need a few days to get back up to speed since she's been gone for so long (though she says she's ready to go) but i recommend her as well. in fact, i've heard she was being considered for council, but that's up to her. liam does bring up a good point though, he did handle some GM related affairs earlier tonight so that's... something? @Zenless (What is sleep)
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 3:56 AM
Yeah Val had some really good ones
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:56 AM
Prety much everyone so far has said I've been doing shit
I've just let my time go over somewhere while I recouped.
and I wasn't hiding it lol
BUH ANYWAY
I could probably catch whomever takes my place up I guess
maybe.
Meh.
Rogue - Today at 3:59 AM
@Nipton the Librarian maybe you weren't in the past but i know as recently as today you've been doing GM stuff and talking to people. but that's all i know
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 3:59 AM
past month or so I've been dealing with personal issues.
Kinda major.
A few people know.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:00 AM
Stems from the LOA I took from February suddenly, fortunately its gotten better recently (hence the activity)
Rogue - Today at 4:01 AM
i understand that liam, that being said, i do agree with zen that it's hard to retain traction when people (not saying you specifically) are elsewhere, and staff members' time on sim is spent partially elsewhere. so it's like half the focus on the sim is somewhere else when we need the focus to be on us because of the pit we're in at the moment
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 4:02 AM
There are holes all over the place to the point it's being considered to go on hiatus to figure it out, but several negatives to doing that as well.  I have tried very hard to be patient but it's hard for me personally to stay motivated when I feel like those around me do not care.   I couldn't get much help for the Expo, couldn't get much help to run events, can't even get much help to try to keep things stable on the weekends when I work more than during the week.   Making plans is good, but if people don't see you on the ground there is a disconnect that makes leading a group pretty hard to do.   Like how people will put a lot of work into the system and that's good, if there's no attention to the story the rp things go belly up.  If there's an alternative way to get focus and dedicated, I am all ears on it.  and yeah like i said that i could cope with, it's that you barely been back a minute and spending most of your time elsewhere, you explained your reasons but like I don't see that as a necessity when you've put the group on the back burner so long
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:02 AM
Well fuck me for needing to get a bit of my RP mojo back lol
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 4:02 AM
T.T
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!?
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 4:02 AM
I am not angry.
Rogue - Today at 4:02 AM
yeah, neither am i
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:02 AM
I'm not either, just very disappointed.
Rogue - Today at 4:03 AM
tired of the negativity yeah but not upset at anyone here
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 4:03 AM
I am sad and tired of seeing people leave.
Rogue - Today at 4:03 AM
^
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 4:03 AM
Whether of their own accord or not.
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 4:03 AM
Any frustrations I have are in having a hard time getting enough help.  They aren't directed at any individuals.  Nepsin like anyone else has the right to do what they enjoy, just I have to adapt sim for it's sake.
Rogue - Today at 4:04 AM
that, though i understand sometimes sacrifices have to be made to keep things moving along. i'm not saying anyone here hasn't done shit lately, maybe there've been a couple that haven't, but of the people present at the moment, i'm not so sure
to clarify, most here have put in effort
but of the people that aren't actually doing anything and haven't in a while? there's not really a point to having them on
unless they have a legit reason like a LOA for whatever
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:07 AM
Fuck it then, heres this. I'm disappointed. Have been. Severly in how we've handled things. The way we treat players is less of a community and of care and more a focus on numbers and what that means for the bottom line. Unfortunately, theres too much of one side, and we've gone and fucked it all up. We're bleeding people because we can't kick the people that make people sick and we chase people off that want to do work. We banned Atreyu because he was picking his shit up, IT WAS HIS SHIT. IT WAS HIS FUCKING RIGHT FRANKLY. And thats why he was banned. But it took kenny, sam, and brian 500 counts of bullshit and trolling to ban. Marron? We let run rampant till today, and its a 24 hour. He'll get off tomorrow. And his bs he pulled after the ban? Not even considered. Our focus has been compromised for a long time and its not me thats started all this. This has been a fundamental problem. I'm not mad. I'm disappointed, because frankly, I know where our problems are and I've BEEN working. If it SEEMS like I'm not invested, yeah sure for a bit I wasn't, I was making sure my girlfriend was fucking okay because I actually give 100x more of a shit about her than this place, and we all know RL comes first, and when I did get back I wanted to RP a bit. Lynnea was a place I could go and not be bothered by my GM duties. I was burned. Out. WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE, but I get a deadline, and I was sticking to it, getting things moving, so I am disappointed, frankly, I was lied to, and stabbed in the god damn back. I have nothing else left to give, and frankly, say. Thank you for having me, and good luck.
And no. Not mad. Disappointed.
Rogue - Today at 4:11 AM
honestly, atreyu kinda deserved what he did, he's not the most level headed person in the sim and he's spread lies and and slander about me and others in the sim. all he does is throw a fit when stuff gets taken away from him after it's decided he hasn't done a single thing to help the sim and instead spent most of his time elsewhere. he spazzed out over the forge stuff, he spazzed out over the casino, and spazzed out when he was temporarily a faction lead, all that stuff stemmed from inactivity from him or some other reason. i wasn't happy to see him get unbanned but it is what it is.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:12 AM
Oh he's an ass, but far from Brian and friends.
But he also helped the bottom line we care about.
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 4:12 AM
Sam and Brian been banned for months now, so I'm not really sure why that's even a thing as there's probably no way they're going to get their bans lifted.  Atreyu got his lifted, and he deserved his not just for messing upthe build but for lashing out and being verbally abusive.   If only we had people as passionate about doing things as we do people passionate about banning other players we'd be #1x10.
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 4:13 AM
Okay first up, people are allowed to spend their time elsewhere. Its normal. If people are spending their time off sim questions need to be asked. Why are they doing this? What is causing them to spend time off sim? How can we improve or fix the issues that drive them away? The two things that never work are Aggression and Inaction. Burning bridges is never the way. But neither is ignoring them.

 Every action needs to be vetted, no autonomy. Literally you could have a list of things that need to be done and ask who wants to do what. Who wants to set up black sun and assign a leader? Who wants to fix X issue. We need this done by X date. How is Y progressing?


I'll just repeat it one last time for the class.
There is too much toxicity and inaction towards it.
There is too much harassment towards both players AND STAFF.
There is too much bureaucracy stopping progress.
Try asking people why they are off sim and figure out ways on how to bring back their involvement or their patronage. Without solid information its grasping at straws.
Actually enact on this information.


Gasp turns out people don't like trolls. Or being stalked. Or toxic environments. Or being harassed oocly. Or having their personal information or photos spread by people. Or being gaslit. Or being physically threatened when they are not interested in someone oocly. Or being reported falsely. Or having to literally have e-sex with people to get into factions.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:14 AM
I can't really top that sry
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 4:15 AM
^
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 4:16 AM
And yes every one of those actions is something that a current or previous player told me happened to them (not second hand information) including the person who did it. Or the log of it was cited.(edited)
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:16 AM
Actually I'm a bit pissed I was removed from jedi altogether.
Rude.
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 4:17 AM
I can tell you that due to rumors and harassment, I've actually locked myself up in the forge most of the time and paranoid to engage in certain kinds of RP.  It is bad, really bad.
There was no apology, no nothing and yet that person talks to me in a friendly manner and because I do run an IC business, I cannot mute him and must endure interacting with him.
Rogue - Today at 4:18 AM
"Literally you could have a list of things that need to be done and ask who wants to do what. Who wants to set up black sun and assign a leader? Who wants to fix X issue. We need this done by X date. How is Y progressing?" i can't even count on two hands how many times zenless has tried to do that and it never worked out in the end. sometimes she doesn't even get a answer, which is why she has to do it herself
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 4:19 AM
People are not given actual autonomy to make the decisons. It needs to be triple checked and signed in triplicate before it can go ahead.
Rogue - Today at 4:19 AM
to follow up on what sume said, it hasn't gotten quite that bad for me but i am reluctant towards RPing with certain people for the reasons mentioned, yes
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 4:19 AM
Source: Every project I have worked on for this sim
Rogue - Today at 4:22 AM
sounds like there's a issue of trust then, which i can honestly understand. i've seen/dealt with a lot of bullshit in the past, i'd be wary of trusting most people, you don't know if they're going to go screw things up, fly off the handle, cause drama, or suddenly up and leave and take their stuff with them. and i've seen a lot of that even in the last iteration of this sim
from my point of view, having people on staff is never infinite (that is, until the end of the sim's run). i've seen numerous people on staff get replaced due to some reason or another. do i know why all those other people did? no, but some of them just couldn't be helped, or they had their own personal issues to deal with, so on
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:26 AM
A lot of staff v staff too.
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 4:27 AM
When it becomes a repeat pattern no matter what the circumstances you stop bothering investigating why.  This isn't the first time withNepsin, I don't want to throw him under the bus but if being given such a hard time about it, it's been a constant theme since the start of the tenure.   I let it go as I personally think he has good ideas and was still contributing in some ways but only so long I can keep letting things go. I'm not even sure what your talking about, e-sex to get into factions? sounds like someones making stuff up.  Photos are not the sims responsibility, happens everywhere.   Lot of the stuff falls into that category of things that are outside a sims role.   Huh, I didn't remove you from the Jedi group Nepsin.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:29 AM
I don't have jedi. Just associate
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 4:30 AM
I have never seen a player pressured by a faction lead OOCly into esex to be able to join or that person wouldn't be a faction lead anymore.
Weird, thought I only removed the lead role.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:30 AM
its fine.
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 4:31 AM
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Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:31 AM
o weird
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 4:31 AM
says you have it, but also says you have your current title set to associate
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:31 AM
o that may be it u rite
Rogue - Today at 4:31 AM
honestly, all that really bugs me is the negativity and people leaving. the latter just makes a bad situation worse. i only got judgmental about people spending time off sim because i've seen that kind of thing happen before and people act all coy about it, like they're afraid they're going to get exposed for something bad. and it turns out, it usually is.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:31 AM
my b
but
it doesn't matter I don't guess
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 4:35 AM
I dunno, two females and one man who don't know each other all commented that you used to have to fuck an inquisitor to become one before my arrival.  Also it doesn't fall outside of the category of outside of a sims role if it is happening on sim and repeatedly the same people come up. Its like saying "This person is  a known sexual predator(or physically aggressive person. Whatever floats your boat). its fine if he wanders around this place of business because its not our job to ensure the safety or wellbeing of our patrons". I dunno how you can look at this shit that keeps coming up and just say "not our problem" when its literally driving people away in droves.  Also, you have in the past acted upon shit that happened to people who aren't on the sim and did not happen on the sim and banned someone who was, permanently in fact.
Rogue - Today at 4:37 AM
i'm just gonna throw this out there just to be unusual and maybe even optimistic, and say, here's what i think: let's all take a step back and figure out where to go from here before crossing people off a list and see where things pan out over the next week or so, and forget this all ever happened. yeah, last week was a bad week, but we need to reassess before dumping people, especially if people are really saying they're putting effort into this sim. i say, let's see it happen, and go from there
i mean yeah, there's a clear issue with people starting drama in this sim and they are driving people away, but i don't think staff should take the blame for that
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 4:42 AM
As far as to why few get full autonomy is a need to stay informed because you've learned that people cannot be depended on so you need to be ready to grab some glue and put back together whatever got smashed.   That's not really directed at Nepsin to be clear, but it is something have had to deal with many..many times over the years.    As far as the Inquisitor stuff goes, I really doubt that  sounds like some people who decided they didn't like the lead so where going to smear them, unless evidence that'snot some out of context snippets was given sounds like salt.   Person may like esex but seen no evidence of them pressuring people into it for position .  So I agree it's toxic, but the toxic part is making allegations like that without presentation of evidence.  The only time someone got banned for things partly out of sim was Kietay as it got to the point it could clearly be defined as stalking though combined with her harassment of GM's.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:42 AM
She a crazy ho tho
Rogue - Today at 4:43 AM
in fact, i can probably guarantee you the reason rual/engrave left was due to drama from some person or another, without saying a name since i don't know how good my info is, and no it wasn't alex. granted, rual rarely knows how to get out of a argument when there's no winning it
@Zenless (What is sleep) actually i think it ties into what you're saying about the inquisitor stuff. a certain someone was stirring shit up/being toxic in imp chat during that imp vs rebel npcs event from like a month ago or so(edited)
i've had two different people tell me the same thing
it was like two days after that rual announced he was stepping down, so...
you're right about there being no evidence though but it sounds legit given what was going on around that time
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 4:50 AM
I am so tired... and so drained.
I do all that I can and literally get shit on.
My work load is not too much, regardless of what people are saying but I'm putting this out here now cause I'm at wits end.
If any more staff get axed, I'm leaving... cause it isn't going to help just make shit worse
If the sim closes with the notions of a grand opening, I won't be coming back because why?  It won't fix it.(edited)
and I mean in axing of staff that have been and are doing stuff.
Rogue - Today at 4:53 AM
i mean, let's say nipton has been doing stuff like he says he has been. would it be fair then to keep the rest of us folks on staff that are doing stuff as well?
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:54 AM
If you're doing stuff... you'd.. stay on staff, yes.
also, surprised my discord tags haven't been removed <_>
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 4:54 AM
Well his PC is busted atm is why he hasn't been about, the reason he left staff though was probably burnout from drama as certain people did have it out for him and this sounds like the type of thing they would have said to try to smear, whisper down the lane.  Never automatically believe allegations, require evidence.   SWRP has many people who are as interested in starting drama OOC as IC, so have to fully analyze each case.  I could fill a novel with all the mistruth that has been stated over the years about me.   You are correct, you have been doing more than your share Sume, but on close/reopen, every now and then it is needed to reorganize and try to put down a stronger foundation.   I'm not sure why you'd feel personally shit on as I've only said positive things about you.(edited)
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:55 AM
But I was removed because of one thing despite overwhelming evidence that I've been active.
.-.
its like. I was removed before I even got to say something lol
Rogue - Today at 4:56 AM
well that's my point, if people get removed regardless of the evidence, what's to stop the rest of us from being axed?
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 4:56 AM
It's not you that has been shitting on me Eva but the players that have been.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:56 AM
players are buttholes
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 4:56 AM
As for the if you're active you don't get axed, That is not historically correct Nipton. But the sudden action decisions without even information gathering (what im calling scapegoating) is definitely a problem.
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 4:57 AM
Which is part of what I feel like gets misunderstood.  Part of why I do what I do is to try to find people who are going to help even out the load so you(Sume), me, and others who are doing more than their share do not feel they have to try to handle so much.   I am only aware of Marrons antics Sume, as far as I know he's on a 24hour timeout, if he's done things since it can be increased.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 4:58 AM
He basically raised hell over his ban cause he's a tard.
Rogue - Today at 4:58 AM
there has been information gathering though. you look at nipton's activity in-sim compared to off-sim over the course of a month, he's been partially spending his time off sim. but nipton explained why he's been off sim, so...
Rogue - Today at 5:00 AM
and even then, he wasn't elsewhere on SL every single week
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 5:03 AM
I have been torn on it, I bit my lip last week since it had been so long since had gotten much of, making myself give more time.  Then I saw tonight where spent pretty much all night over there while we're just trying to keep head above water and became convinced that you just don't care all that much.  Which again is your pergotivebutit's mine to try to make the sim function in a way where I don't feel like I have to work 24/7.  I mean do you realize I probably put 80 hours of work on a weekly basis into it lately? It's a lot.  I have to find help, I can't keep doing that.   Even when you don't see me I'm probably in blender or on docs for the sim.  I can't be builder, admin, rp initiator, storyteller, faction leaderx20833.   Though I know things will pick up more than they have been, even if the sim is active I just can't keep doing so much and those who I've mentioned that are doing more than their share will burn out, inevitably if not already.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 5:04 AM
I'm not defending myself anymore eva.
You made it clear where I stand
I appreciate everyone else raising the concerns, rogue, hart, and sume, but you jumped the gun imo.
You saw one number and that set you off.
You didn't ask
you didn't want to find out
you didn't see.
And this is where we are, and it hurts, but I'm going to accept it.
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 5:07 AM
I'mma be honest too. I work hard here. I make a lot of shit. I help newbies. I make rp. I try to keep factions going. I yell at a lot of people. I try and fix and develop systems. At the moment I dont want to be on sim at all. Two of my major storylines have been destroyed because of OOC staff actions(Inquisition and now jedi). Another two have been destroyed because of ooc player drama drama(Forge and Rebels). I log in and I see the people causing drama huddling together and see logs of them talking shit even still. I try and get shit fixed and I hit a wall every time. I get people complaining almost daily to me (I'm talking non friends. I'm talking player base) about the inaction of staff to deal with issues and drama. I get questions about whats happening with X faction and Y storyline and I have no answer. My character is fucking stuck in this loop of being unable to progress in his storyline and the people I'm rping with are leaving because of the actions of others or because of drama. The people I work with here in staff chat... well most are either taking a break or wanting to because of issues not being fixed.

Also the only one saying you need to be those things is you Eva. People would happily do shit. People have offered to help or completely take over tasks. They get ignored or they are not trusted enough to oversee them.  And then its so frustrating to see you say that you get no help or that people arent offering.... when its like, they have and get ignored. Or it gets so micromanaged that it would have been easier for you to do it yourself.
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 5:12 AM
And you had offered to resign, so I'm not sure why it's an issue now.   Well hurting isn't my intention and I am sorryfor that.  I have ZERO issue with you.    Yes Hart, you are also one of those doing above your share but I think drama and/or player behavior is a scapegoat, it's no worse than it's been for the last decade.   Same with complaints, SWRPers are chronic in that.   I don't know, I've gotten few offers for things those who do are those who are already having to deal with too much so I would rather overload myself than them.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 5:12 AM
Because its really not for a reason I agree with I guess, and it was at a time I was actually getting excited to be here.
We talked.
I had an understanding I was going to get shit done by the day of Solo release
and the rug got pulled literally from under me in an off handed message to staff chat lol
My point isn't about me anymore
cause you've axed me
but for the future, these things are, well, words. They mean something
none of this, honestly, is about ME anyway
Its about why it happened and how that is stirring this..
besides that, I offered to resign when I was in a shit way and I Couldn't dedicate shit to the sim, cause, rl. but I was grateful to be kept around.
I saw that @Aliton
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 5:19 AM
Like, can you understand why I'd get another impression?
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 5:19 AM
Yes, I very much can.
Aliton - Today at 5:20 AM
I am  catching up, one moment.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 5:20 AM
Its not that I don't get why you did it, its that there was about half an iceburg still left on the issue, and the decision was made without seeing the rest
Aliton - Today at 5:22 AM
@Zenless (What is sleep) Living off a shitty laptop until I unpack my computer. Only does text viewer.
Rogue - Today at 5:25 AM
it does seem like there was a major misunderstanding here and conclusions were jumped to, i'm not sure there would be this big of a outcry if nipton didn't feel it was unfair. but i suppose the damage has been done
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 5:34 AM
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Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 5:36 AM
I don't know what to say anymore. I'm very very exhausted. And its not a scapegoat. Alex? She was a scapegoat. The literal drama that has caused people to leave, forced people out, or stopped storylines. Actual goat. I don't know how you can continue to hear the same complaints from staff and from the playerbase as to what the issues are and still ignore them.

Lets speak numbers. Currently out of the green text:  4/10 are active on the sim. Though two of those four are entirely system based. Out of blue text 5/10 are active. Though two weeks ago it would have been 3/7.

4/10 Blue text have expressed an interest in leaving staff in the last few weeks, including 2 tonight. But still its the same shit and the same reasons that get brought up. Better make sweeping changes instead of fixing the foundation. I'm really exhausted. Honestly I think im in the same boat as Sume. Theres only so much of this I can do. So many storylines I can lose due to shit that has nothing to do with IC. So many times a crowd of staff can say the same thing and then have none of the points addressed or have them be waved to the side.  Two weeks ago it was almost a running joke in here that I would leave because of the drama. Now it's almost the truth.

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Rogue - Today at 5:44 AM
i wasn't around for what happened with alex but from what i know it was more or less the same thing. i know people that had stories planned with her that are unable to do them now since she's more or less gone from the sim, though i hear she'll still help with that jedi/inq event thing, i don't know. for once i actually think this was the wrong idea because all removing staff has done has hurt the sim further, and now it's happened twice
Sume (Nekomatsume) - Today at 5:44 AM
@Rogue I was told by Darius that I need to find someone else to help me with that.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 5:45 AM
alex is done, I thinkl.
She was going to help but uh, shes kinda.. ye
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 5:47 AM
She absolutely had plans to continue and work in this sim. She had no plans on stopping until she was removed without warning or discussion and then it was said that she was poaching players. As for now? She has been on a couple of times, when i've asked very nicely to continue RP. But I don't blame her for not wanting to be around after the shitshow that whole debacle was.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 5:47 AM
yeah
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 5:50 AM
Like I said, the "drama" isn't any worse than it has been for the last decade.  Drama comes and goes, just like the trolls, it usually only grows if fed.   You want to blame me for all the problems when no one is working as hard as me to try to keep things going.   I have more flaws than I'd like but I think that is pretty unfair.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 5:52 AM
I think its unfair to put all the blame on you but, this decision? As far as we know, was yours. shrug idunno
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 5:54 AM
Trolls grow where they are allowed to. You literally have a safe space for them in this discord. Inaction also breeds them. And as for drama not being any worse... I dunno I've been staff on a dozen sims in the last 7 years. This is definitely peak drama out of them. I am not blaming you for all the problems. However some are definitely your fault. Some are the admin team as a whole as they have this 'boys will be boys' attitude to serious issues.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 5:57 AM
I'm confused, my activity on 4d is still over half of my total, even for last week. .
Hrm.
Hart (omen.zero) - Today at 5:58 AM
Ahh but if you look at just today, well you know, its a different story. Because Statistics.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 5:58 AM
Actually, this weeks (starting a few hours ago) is .27 and .27 online
so I'm technically 100 of 100.
Cause I'm amazing :heart:
Rogue - Today at 5:59 AM
@Zenless (What is sleep) and you're failing to recognize you're killing the sim with your inability to see when you've made a mistake, one that you've made twice over now and has clearly hurt the sim. and yet here you are, "i don't get enough help, blah blah blah" ignoring when there's help clearly right in front of you. the more i think about how two staff members were axed when they were part of the lifeblood of this sim, especially when it's becoming more evident that they were, the more upset it makes me and i don't know if i can support that kind of logic much longer. i will say though that the events of tonight have put me in a pretty low mood. i've defended your decisions many times in the past because i understood them, this one however i will not.
Rogue - Today at 6:03 AM
i mean, i basically have to worry now if me or my friends will be able to RP anything because the people we/they are planning with will get the ax because "omg inactivity! better jump the shark!"
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 6:04 AM
It is because you never registered with the system since you didn't come on sim at all .  So it doesn't show the 5+ who knows how many offsim on Sunday .
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 6:05 AM
oh.
Rogue - Today at 6:05 AM
@Nipton the Librarian you were off sim for several hours earlier so i know that's not true
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 6:05 AM
That would make sure, ye.
sense
not sure
wtf brain
Rogue - Today at 6:05 AM
however... your in-sim time compared to your online time last week was higher
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 6:05 AM
wot
Rogue - Today at 6:06 AM
Nepsin Feila -> On Sim [ 9.88h 62.2% ] , Logged In [ 15.88h 9.4% ]
like you were saying
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 6:06 AM
o yeah
yeah thats what I meant, I was joking about the .27 thing lol
Rogue - Today at 6:07 AM
in other words, you spent nearly 16 hours online last week. almost 10 of those 16 hours (over half!) was spent in sim
meaning, zenless made a mistake
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 6:07 AM
That is last week, yes,  but as I said that is after a month and a half of inactivity so was a red flag to me and then Sunday happened.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 6:08 AM
I mean, I was off sim. but I was barely at my PC at all too lol
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 6:08 AM
I don't know why your hopping on me when your one of the ones who advocated it Rogue.
Rogue - Today at 6:08 AM
i changed my mind
due to what was discussed
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 6:09 AM
That's fine, but it's a bit dickless to then pick up a sword and point it at me.
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 6:09 AM
guys. Guys.
srsly.
Srsly.
d..dun do this.
pls.
Not in front of the kids
Rogue - Today at 6:09 AM
not really, because my sword is my dick
badumtish
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 6:09 AM
is that a shakespear joke?
Rogue - Today at 6:10 AM
in all seriousness though
i'm upset that this had to happen and you're the one that made the decision. liam said he had RL issues to deal with, as to why he had rarely been on. i know he had told others on staff the same thing too, they can tell you the same thing
i can also attest to the fact that he had been helping here and there when he could, kora wouldn't be in the position she is now with the jedi if it wasn't for liam.
not to mention GM related matters
plus like i said, for him to protest being axed like this, and to see his numbers for last week, i now feel like there was a overstep
but he says he already made his decision to step down, so i'm not really sure what if any difference it makes with what i say
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 6:14 AM
I mean, I didn't make that decision.
It was made for me
I'm just rolling with the punches man, its what I do.
Rogue - Today at 6:16 AM
right and you're accepting it. but i'm hoping if things could still be worked out this could be all forgotten and we can go on business as usual and look forward to seeing what you have planned for the jedi. a second chance, if you will. though if it doesn't pan out, then by all means, we can do this again then and probably more justifiably at that point. but this is just my opinion
Nipton the Librarian - Today at 6:19 AM
True, well I do appreciate it man. All have to see how it goes.
Rogue - Today at 6:19 AM
i feel like cases like this need to be scrutinized as much as allegations of misconduct by players/staff in sim. you can't just toss someone out based on numbers when there may be more to it. otherwise there'd be a lot more people tossed out, and we don't need that right now. i do think there have been people in the past that have been given benefit of the doubt longer than they should've had as well
and @Zenless (What is sleep) don't get me wrong, i react kind of the same way you do when i see people off sim and not doing their job and you know as well as i do that i'm sometimes quick to judge. i really feel like liam should be given at least a bit longer, see if he plays his hand, and if not, go from there. i'm sure someone like kora will step up if things don't work out in the end
Zenless (What is sleep) - Today at 6:27 AM
Changing your mind is fine, going "I think this is a mistake" is fine, but to go around and start harping on me after you said the same exact thing,  I think that's what bothers me most out of all the attacks I've endured tonight.  As far as what's needed? yes, you absolutely have to make changes when things aren't working, I've been in this type of position for a very long time and while mistakes do get made it is a very tough thing to do and I think a lot of the judgement come from those who have not been in that position for an extended period of time.  I can acknowledge I may have misunderstood and made a mistake and I'm willing to go back on it if Nepsin wants to try to work through things as I get he may not want to now, but either way I think putting things on hiatus wouldn't be the worst idea .
Rogue - Today at 6:30 AM
well, you said the exact same thing too, which is my point. we both made mistakes, things were discussed, i now realize it's probably not quite what i thought was going on
i just wasn't sure if you'd budge on the matter is all. and yeah i understand that, it's easy to fall into the habit of being judgmental in a certain way based on past experiences, i'm like that too. i'd say in a certain regard i've become cynical after having dealt with so many people over the years
though not in a position of leadership
but i'm glad there's a possibility things can be worked out @Nipton the Librarian and @Zenless (What is sleep) since she is offering