Dyskinesia - Today at 6:50 PM
Yeah, I'm just not dealing with PC's discord anymore. It doesn't feel worth it to contribute to when everything gets taken off topic so quickly by people like Eloh/Waterkirby/Darkpsychic/Wobb Jokes etc
Esp with having to explain the trans thing every other day
Like I literally don't understand at all how Eloh hasn't been banned for spam
Or even reprimanded at all
After multiple people have reported multiple admins
Jake - Today at 6:52 PM
In response to the Eloh thing, he's never really been offensive, nor has he spammed any more than someone like me or Wobb has
He's about as off-topic as we are
he's just weird as fuck, not funny, and doesn't fit in
that's really the main difference
and you can't really ban over that
but he's definitely on their radar
Dyskinesia - Today at 6:53 PM
He treats the chat like a twitter feed half the time and does his own thing rather than engaging is the difference. At least with the wobb jokes, those are so central that they're on topic for the channel when they happen
Eloh spamming "meow" and cat pics for 15 minutes without engaging at all is not nearly the same
Jake - Today at 6:54 PM
it's not much worse than "No u"
Dyskinesia - Today at 6:54 PM
Again, those are community memes that are participating with one another
Jake - Today at 6:54 PM
I'm more or less annoyed by Eloh most of the time
but
he hasn't really done anything wrong
aside from being weird as fuck
Romhacking is offtopic 90% of the time anyways
Hell, we were literally offtopic last night
Dyskinesia - Today at 6:55 PM
I'm annoyed by him too, and if I'm getting in trouble for saying that but he isn't getting in trouble for taking up space by saying "meow". then it's not a community that's worth my time
Jake - Today at 6:56 PM
Why not just block him then?
Dyskinesia - Today at 6:56 PM
As soon as he joins the chat, it moves the conversation to how weird he is literally every time
Jake - Today at 6:56 PM
Like, instead of going after him, just block him
Dyskinesia - Today at 6:56 PM
So it doesn't matter if I have him blocked, nobody else does, so it doesn't change the usability of the channel
Like, we're frequently off topic from ROM Hacking, but we frequently have fairly well structured conversations of other kinds that he interrupts
Jake - Today at 6:57 PM
You're not exactly wrong, but if everyone wants to hop onboard the Eloh train whenever he says one of his weird things about being a deity, they're just as much at fault as Eloh is
And that includes myself.
It's not an ideal situation for anyone.
Dyskinesia - Today at 6:58 PM
Disagree, because as soon as it's in the chat, it's on-topic to talk about it. Nobody should be under obligation to not talk about something that's happening in the chat, but people should be kept from actually making that off-topic shift
Jake - Today at 6:58 PM
I'm just trying to look at it as objectively as possible
Dyskinesia - Today at 6:59 PM
As objectively as possible, it's more worth my time to work with a community like Pret would would ban Eloh instantly as soon as he starts talking to himself about how sexy Gastly is or spams "Meow" in the chat for 15 minutes
Jake - Today at 7:00 PM
He's steered the conversation less and less with each time he pops up
People were getting tired of the same old shit
In fact yesterday he was talking to himself for over an hour
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:01 PM
Exactly, and the mods still don't do anything about it
Jake - Today at 7:01 PM
He's weird as fuck, I get that. But you really just don't like him.
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:01 PM
It's spam.
Jake - Today at 7:01 PM
And that's all that this is about
So is Wobb
so is what I do
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:01 PM
Literally wobb talks to people
you talk to people too
Jake - Today at 7:02 PM
Hilariously enough, in that conversation where Eloh was talking to himself and people were ignoring him and continuing on with their convesations, Eloh was the only one talking about romhacking
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:02 PM
I can ask Wobb how his day went, and he'll answer. He'll respond to people in chat. Same with you
You have memes, but they're still fundamentally conversational
But yeah, the second Eloh's posts saying whatever the fuck he wants with no consequence are worth more than mine of the same, I left
Jake - Today at 7:04 PM
They weren't worth more than yours
Last night, the only person that responded to Eloh's meows was Farore saying "bork" and then you going off on him
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:06 PM
Last night was clearly not the only instance of Eloh taking conversation off topic.
Jake - Today at 7:06 PM
the conversations are always off-topic tho
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:06 PM
I said
earlier
Topic of the channel? Yes, they aren't always about rom hacking. But they generally have a basic flow to it that a normal conversation has
But for whatever reason Eloh is exempt from that
Jake - Today at 7:07 PM
This is all chalking him up to being annoying
He's not clogging up the discord all on his own
People are responding and are contributing to the clog
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:08 PM
Disagree, because as soon as it's in the chat, it's on-topic to talk about it. Nobody should be under obligation to not talk about something that's happening in the chat, but people should be kept from actually making that off-topic shift
If you're taking off of discussion about college or whatever to talk about hacking, sure. But if you're moving it to talk about how you're a cat now and you're turning water into wine and you think gastly is hot, that's clearly less ok
Like
Jake - Today at 7:10 PM
It is less okay. But is that a bannable offense? Probably not.
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:10 PM
Spam isn't bannable?
Jake - Today at 7:10 PM
He's as off-topic as we are.
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:10 PM
Did you not read what I keep saying about being off topic means
Jake - Today at 7:11 PM
And are you not looking at this from a point of view other than your own?
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:11 PM
It's not off topic if everyone is talking about it
Jake - Today at 7:11 PM
When he brings up bullshit, everyone talks about it.
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:11 PM
EXACTLY
Jake - Today at 7:12 PM
When Wobb brings up bullshit, everyone talks about it.
When I bring up bullshit, everyone talks about it.
There is zero difference
Well, there is one thing
you just don't like Eloh's bullshit
and that's it
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:12 PM
There's people I don't like in the Discord. I hate DarkPsychic's bullshit, but he doesn't do it unprompted at least
I'm not calling for him to be out of the discord
Clearly the flat earth stuff is just as ridiculous
Jake - Today at 7:13 PM
In fairness, you brought it up the most recent time.
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:13 PM
As I said, when you guys do memes it's conversational
Eloh's aren't.
Jake - Today at 7:13 PM
Is Eloh's less conversational when, as you said, people start talking about it?
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:14 PM
Anyway, there's a reason so many of the old school ROM Hackers don't spend time in the PC Discord anymore.
And they're spending more time in Pret instead
Jake - Today at 7:14 PM
That's fine
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:15 PM
Sorry for expecting more out of PC
and wanting them to keep being a hub for people active in the hacking community
clearly there's differing visions there though
clearly including people like Eloh is more important than including people like me
Which is fine
Jake - Today at 7:16 PM
How do you draw a conclusion like that?
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:17 PM
I got scolded for saying Meow over and over again after Dakota told me to stop talking about Eloh
and told to stop
in pms
Jake - Today at 7:17 PM
Because you were doing it to spite Eloh and probably Dakota
that's how I saw it at least.
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:17 PM
So his meows are more valuable than mine, exactly
Jake - Today at 7:18 PM
wat.
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:18 PM
I was doing it to show how ridiculous it was to be allowed in the first place.
Jake - Today at 7:18 PM
So... to spite them.
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:18 PM
Since apparently describing that with words isn't allowed
Spite: a desire to hurt, annoy, or offend someone.
I wasn't trying to hurt anyone, just to point out hypocrisy
and ridiculousness of the concept of that being okay
Clearly nobody is getting offended by "Meow"
Jake - Today at 7:20 PM
the context in which you were doing that is very important
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:20 PM
I'm not denying I did it at all, but "spite" is very clearly intent-based, and you can't claim my intent
Jake - Today at 7:21 PM
"that's how i saw it at least"
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:21 PM
I literally just explained that I was doing it to make a point, not to make people mad or hurt or offended.
Jake - Today at 7:21 PM
and I'm explaining that it did not come off that way at all.
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:22 PM
That's on you for misinterpreting then.(edited)
Jake - Today at 7:22 PM
I can't make a claim as to whether or not you were truly trying to spite anyone. I can't make any claims for any of your intentions
But if I interpreted it like that, and Dakota interpreted it like that, and others interpreted it like that
you probably should've done it more delicately
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:22 PM
Then I'm less wanted in PC than Eloh is. Which is why I left
Jake - Today at 7:22 PM
Where are you drawing those conclusions?
You're victimizing yourself when you were attacking Eloh last night
Whether the attack was justified or not is irrelevant
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:23 PM
Because when Eloh says whatever he wants its ok but when I do the same its not ok
Jake - Today at 7:23 PM
Eloh wasn't attacking anyone.
You were clearly looking to offend.
as i recall, you called him a shitstain
and then got that post deleted
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:24 PM
Piece of shit
and it's because he's being a piece of shit
Jake - Today at 7:24 PM
I could have sworn I saw shitstain
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:24 PM
Not the context by calling him toxic beforehand
Literally never said that in my life
Jake - Today at 7:25 PM
then im misremembering
toxic piece of shit then
which isn't exactly any better
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:25 PM
It was the second thing I'd said
I first asked why he had to always take everything off topic
then he responded "meow"
then I said
it
Clearly his meow there was no less malicious
but fine
Jake - Today at 7:26 PM
in his defense, he said that meow after you called him a toxic piece of shit
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:26 PM
sure, you can ascribe intent to my words but not his(edited)
fine, do whatever
exactly the kind of attitude that makes me feel like he's clearly being favored over me
Jake - Today at 7:27 PM
=\
In that case, I'm sorry you feel that way then.
Dyskinesia - Today at 7:27 PM
sure