The End of Laughter, the rise of the AI

12:45:43 PM+Renjinhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasshouse_(novel)
12:45:45 PM+RenjinThis is interesting
12:45:59 PM+RenjinA long series of these wars plagued posthumanity, starting around 300 years before the novel begins, lasting for almost a century (two centuries, according to Yourdon). Censor factions used A-gates to propagate redactive worms throughout the Republic's networks, which targeted historical data and even memories of why the wars had started in the first place. Historians and archaeologists were singled out for annihilation. These events placed a great strain on the political cohesiveness of the Republic of Is – but worse was to come.
12:46:12 PM+commieStep 1: SPACE ELEVATOR
12:47:11 PM@xsnlxyeah, the first company that hauls back a few thousand tons of gold will only completely decimate the price of gold
12:47:27 PM+RenjinAI is much closer than this analysis indicates
12:47:39 PM+RenjinI think that you're confused as to what 'reality' looks like later this century.
12:47:47 PM+RenjinReality fragments before 2100.
12:48:17 PM+RenjinBy 2025, AI will be able to generate video of 'real' people that you cannot distinguish from reality
12:48:28 PM+RenjinThis includes audio you cannot distinguish from reality
12:48:45 PM+RenjinEvidence, by itself, becomes meaningless, as there are indistinguishable variations for every situation of importance.
12:49:01 PM+commiehttps://news.vice.com/en_us/article/vbq38d/google-is-listing-nazism-as-the-first-ideology-of-the-cal... lol
12:49:07 PM+RenjinSociety fragments into block chain communities with differing anchors of trust.
12:49:21 PM+RenjinYou might belong to the New York Times anchor, while another belongs to the Breitbart anchor.
12:49:25 PM@xsnlxsounds about right
12:49:34 PM+RenjinEvery claim made by Breitbart has evidence proving its truth.
12:50:03 PM+RenjinBefore 2035, AI is able to generate entire immersive digital words surrounding each piece of digitally created evidence
12:50:10 PM+RenjinGot that video of Obama shooting JFK?
12:50:18 PM+RenjinWell, here's the relevant newcasters of the day referencing that event
12:50:30 PM+RenjinAnd here's a version of Some Like it Hot talking about the rise of Obama
12:50:58 PM+RenjinSearch engines come into existence that use a combination of your personal information along with your search query to generate, dynamically an entirely immersive epistemic world on the fly.
12:51:06 PM+RenjinIt is impossible to know what reality is, anymore.
12:51:13 PM+RenjinNow you think, well, heck, that's just for the internet!
12:51:16 PM+RenjinWhat about real life outside the box
12:51:19 PM+RenjinSo, let me ask you this
12:51:27 PM+RenjinHow many times have you engaged with Trump outside the internet?
12:51:42 PM+RenjinHow many times have you engaged with Obama or the EU or Russia or NASA outside the internet?
12:52:12 PM+RenjinYour entire worldview, right now, is mostly formed from information you get from TV or the internet or conversations with other people who got their information from TV or the internet
12:52:37 PM+RenjinThe idea of a universal society is a grand narrative that many Westerners believe in without question
12:52:40 PM+RenjinIt's never going to exist
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12:52:56 PM+RenjinThere's never going to be a time when space companies haul asteroids to Earth and you and your buddies notice that
12:53:17 PM+RenjinBy 2035, there will be stories of that, and you'll have no idea whether it's 'real' or 'not'.
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12:54:07 PM@xsnlxAI isn't fiction
12:54:24 PM@xsnlxartificial intelligence
12:54:37 PM+RenjinHuman future is about the generation of new digital ecosystems nested inside each other -- whole worlds being lived out by real and imagined beings without almost any of that realm's inhabitants ever being the wiser
12:55:10 PM+RenjinIf you wish to connect this reality to what you currently consider reality, i.e. bacteria evolving on Earth, dinosaurs, etc., then that looks like a few oligarchs with AI interest battling for supremacy of knowledge control
12:55:14 PM+RenjinWhich you're currently living through
12:56:03 PM+RenjinAll these other conflicts, like race conflicts, which religion is best, whether or not like you like Trump or Obama, are meaningless
12:56:22 PM+RenjinThe only battle that matters is control of knowledge and AI mastery
12:56:43 PM+RenjinThe entity that controls information won all historical battles and all future battles
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12:56:59 PM@xsnlxAI what is new is when the AI is smarter than us, whether it's conscious or not
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12:57:28 PM+RenjinGoogle's reinforcement learning model in Alpha Go became the best entity at chess, ever, in four hours.
12:57:39 PM+RenjinAI is already much, much, much, much smarter than us in some important ways
12:57:57 PM+RenjinIf you simply have clever humans employ AI in the areas in which it is already better, humans are already obsolete
12:58:04 PM+RenjinWell, democratic masses of humans
12:58:18 PM@xsnlxlike high-speed trading platforms and deep analytics
12:58:32 PM+RenjinReinforcement learning is an extremely generic paradigm of machine learning that is perhaps most closely related to how our own minds work
12:58:52 PM+RenjinGeneral society never talks about this because it has no solutions and no understanding
12:59:06 PM+RenjinWe're off structure, floating free, in pre-crisis
12:59:12 PM@xsnlxsome people can't see past their keyboard
12:59:22 PM+RenjinThis happens from time to time. We float until a new reality is asserted by the winner of the top-level conflict
12:59:55 PM@xsnlxmost people won't even understand when AI is dominating their life
1:00:29 PM+RenjinCorrect
1:00:48 PM+RenjinTrump supporters have already been domesticated by a combination of humans and AI
1:00:54 PM+RenjinThey're never getting free
1:00:58 PM@xsnlxdominated?  no, but it's clearly already having an affect
1:01:10 PM+RenjinThe rest of our lives require calculations in which we have to taken into account Trump supporters
1:01:19 PM+RenjinLike tuberculosis slumbering in our cells
1:01:26 PM@xsnlxjust imagine what AI and genetic engineering will do
1:01:38 PM+RenjinOur current society is so woefully inept
1:01:45 PM+RenjinIt's simultaneously terrifying and liberating
1:02:01 PM@xsnlxand as AI recurses it accelerates its own growth beyond Moore's Law
1:02:22 PM+RenjinDo you any mainstream analysis is going to serious apply viral/computational models to various sub-populations of our society wondering if their 'will/choice' has been captured by oligarchs + AI?
1:02:24 PM+RenjinNever gonna happen
1:02:28 PM@xsnlxas AI starts designing AI designing AI designing AI designing AI....
1:02:51 PM+Renjinhttps://arxiv.org/abs/1606.04474
1:02:58 PM+RenjinLearning to learn by gradient descent by gradient descent
1:03:41 PM+RenjinNeural networks are universal computers, and gradient descent generally reaches good solutions
1:03:52 PM+RenjinThere is your recursive AI, then
1:04:41 PM@xsnlxwe already have computer-aided design, eventually we'll have computers dedicated to designing the next generation of computers
1:05:01 PM@xsnlxAI designing AI
1:05:22 PM@xsnlxand then we'll have AI designing AI designers
1:05:32 PM+Renjinxsnlx: A genetic algorithm built a better antenna than a team of Ph.D. materials scientists
1:05:32 PM@xsnlxand so on
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1:05:47 PM+RenjinThe goal was to be able to meet some communications constraints while efficiently dissipating heat
1:06:05 PM+RenjinBayesian inference is a universal inference scheme
1:06:14 PM@xsnlxRenjin, surely, just as evolution has achieved 1000s of things beyond our ability to design
1:06:15 PM+RenjinNot sure what parameters to use in your Bayesian model?
1:06:24 PM+RenjinJust use a Bayesian model to estimate them
1:08:02 PM+RenjinWhen you observe baboons in Africa, what do we notice?
1:08:17 PM+commieMultiplicities of AI designing a multiplicity of AI.
1:08:22 PM+RenjinWe notice that the things we know to be important, like climate change and devastation of their habitat, doesn't seem to be very important to them
1:08:32 PM+RenjinBecause they're too dumb and don't have enough information
1:09:05 PM+RenjinYet, the little social dynamics of their 10km^2 world is EVERYTHING THAT EVER WAS AND EVER WILL BE
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1:09:19 PM+RenjinRemember that when you see humans talking about Roseanne and their Starbucks cups
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1:09:52 PM+RenjinSome of the smarter humans in these Starbucks worlds will tell you how they're much, much smarter than the baboons
1:09:59 PM+RenjinHeck, even God made the whole universe for them
1:10:22 PM+RenjinMeanwhile, their climate removes the ground from underneath their feat while AI companies move their bulldozers ever closer through the rainforest
1:11:40 PM+RenjinSome of the leaders of these Starbucks world insist that the climate is FOREVER ETERNAL and that there are no bulldozers
1:11:53 PM+RenjinThey work on banishing from their troop those that show pictures of the bulldozers
1:13:51 PM+RenjinIn time you will know what it’s like to lose. To feel so desperately that you are right, yet to fail all the same. dread it. run from it. AI still arrives. - AI photographers
1:16:13 PM+RenjinFun isn't something an AI considers when creating new realities. Fun is an programming heuristic in you meat popsicles that AI fully understands and uses to domesticate your minds to goals you cannot hope to understand in 10k years.