[09:23] <Tang> Underdog is useful but I'd suggest sturdy instead
[09:23] <Tang> *for the likes of a monostat
[09:24] <LeftHandofGod> Sturdy is vastly more powerful on low VIT characters. It's also "fuck KB: the perk"
[09:24] <Trimangle> ^
[09:24] <Reikim> I'm building high-VIT, though
[09:25] <Reikim> But going "fuck your killing blow" is kind of her schtick, so
[09:25] <Kajiya> Sturdy really isn't the best choice then in all honesty
[09:25] <Kajiya> If you have high vit, then you need to take a hit that will count as that
[09:25] <Reikim> True
[09:25] <Kajiya> If they whittle your hp down in 3 hits, that's still not procing sturdy
[09:26] <Kajiya> 50% has to go down.
[09:26] <Reikim> Still, if Aiko ever comes knocking...
[09:26] <LeftHandofGod> If you're going high vit, then you might look at immortal, assuming you're going MonG
[09:26] <Rally> Yeah lol
[09:26] <Rally> Sturdy has fucked Aiko before.
[09:26] <Reikim> No, mahou
[09:26] <Kajiya> It's godly useful on some mahou (I have 8 hp, sturdy means I'll only take 2 successes of damage despite the restults
[09:27] <Kajiya> Compared to others I.E. Kyrie (I have to soak up twelve points of damage to proc it, you need to basically hit me with 5 successes even on an all out to do that)
[09:27] <Kajiya> Underdog meanwhile is also, statistically, really pretty meh, but in some cases also useful
[09:27] <Reikim> Hmmmmmmm
[09:27] <Kajiya> A monostat mag with no str/agi means if you must make a roll against something with those for some reason (Since mag can block agi now)
[09:28] <Kajiya> It +1's your dice for free
[09:28] <Kajiya> ...Granted
[09:28] <Kajiya> You're still at BEST 3 dice below your opposition
[09:28] <Reikim> Yeah, it's kind of not so useful. But hey, it's something.
[09:28] <Kajiya> And at that low of dice, you probably are only rolling like 3-4 dice
[09:28] <Kajiya> But yea. It can make an impossible situation only improbable
[09:28] <Kajiya> Also
[09:29] <Reikim> I'm basically waffling between Sturday, Defender, and Underdog for my mandatory Table 3 perk
[09:29] <Kajiya> If you want to say "Fuck killing blow"
[09:29] <Kajiya> Just make sure to get determination
[09:29] <Reikim> *sturdy
[09:29] <Kajiya> It doesn't matter HOW hard they nuke you,you get something
[09:29] <Kajiya> Also also
[09:29] <Kajiya> What mono-stat are you going as
[09:29] <Kajiya> and/or if you have a use for the character in mind
[09:30] <Reikim> Duo-stat Str/Vit, the mandatory Honorable Muscle of Arianne's mandatory Four Generals squad.
[09:30] <Rally> Well
[09:30] <Rally> Aiko isn't meant to murder PCs anyway
[09:30] <Rally> She's meant to murder bosses.
[09:34] <Reikim> I'm kinda tempted to take Mount just for flavor.
[09:34] <Kajiya> Mount is a very good flavor perk, as well as just flat out "FUCK IT RUN/CHASE" option
[09:35] <Kajiya> Last I recall mount's flee/chase boost was practically unbeatable if you had vaguely around the same dice count
[09:35] <Rally> Hehehe
[09:35] <Rally> I still remember when Nidhogg tried to Mount away
[09:35] <Rally> and then >Fortunate
[09:35] <Kajiya> Yea
[09:35] <Kajiya> Fortunate's a very powerful perk
[09:36] <Kajiya> If you can/have a thing that you might NEED to hit
[09:36] <Kajiya> Fortunate is the "Fuck you" button to add to it
[09:36] <Kajiya> Or counter someone elses
[09:36] <Reikim> >4 automatic successes
[09:36] <Reikim> uwot
[09:36] <Kajiya> That said
[09:37] <Kajiya> Fix it bandaids are pretty good too
[09:37] <Kajiya> There's not a lot of things that can add +soak or +fortune during something
[09:37] <Kajiya> And doublely so for extended encounter'y things
[09:38] <Zene> Were, they lost the FP.
[09:38] <Kajiya> Well then the last posted PDF for AMGC didn't update that
[09:38] <Reikim> It would also be rather funny having the super-serious warden character patch things up with bright ping Hello Kitty band-aids.
[09:38] <Reikim> *bright pink
[09:38] <Reikim> I'm not sure how I got g from k
[09:39] <Zene> Nope, it's there. Which version are you looking at?
[09:39] <Rally> Wait what
[09:39] <Rally> When did Fix it Bandaids lose the FP?
[09:39] <Rally> And why?
[09:39] <Kajiya> Checking archive for the last posted thread (that is dead) it was 1.13
[09:40] <Reikim> 1.14 is latest and can confirm no FP
[09:40] <Zene> Then someone posted the wrong version and my archives are still up
[09:40] <Reikim> Also maybe I could fluff it as the magic wrap-bandages that keep Roranoa Zoro alive...
[09:40] <Rally> Again I ask why?
[09:40] <Zene> The same reason anything else changed?
[09:40] <Rally> Fix it Bandaids, last I checked were already considered pretty crap.
[09:40] <Reikim> They can fix 2 HP now or MP now.
[09:40] <Reikim> Unless they could do that before.
[09:41] <Kajiya> The main thing I can figure is that it's basically "Here's an answer for out of combat recovery forever"
[09:41] <@Jran-Kri> !verify
[09:41] <@Puchuu> Verified.
[09:41] <Zene> The change was from "1 of any" to "1 soak / 2 HP / 2 MP". 12 for, 2 against.
[09:42] <Kajiya> Ah, so basically a buff to HP/MP and fixes soak
[09:42] <Reikim> On second thought I took Regeneration as power so band-aids aren't really that useful.
[09:42] <Kajiya> Yea
[09:42] <Rally> Being able to recover FP feels way more powerful than getting one more HP or MP
[09:42] <Rally> imo
[09:42] <Kajiya> Regeneration means you only don't regen FP
[09:42] <Kajiya> Also there is the outfit to regen FP too
[09:43] <Kajiya> If you want 100% sustainability
[09:44] <Reikim> Sustainability for a prolonged mall-crawl.
[09:44] <Reikim> Solo.
[09:46] <Reikim> So Avenger can double-up for wound thresholds. What about three or four?
[09:48] <Reikim> Also is it better to be odd or even for attacking stat
[09:49] <Rally> Errr
[09:50] <Rally> are you not planning to defend with that stat?
[09:51] <Kajiya> Odd adds offence, Even adds defense
[09:51] <Kajiya> In the way back when, before this was the case, odd was the go to answer for offence stats, and even for vit because +1 soak
[09:51] <Kajiya> Now it's subjective to what you want
[09:51] <Rally> actually no
[09:51] <Rally> even was VIT
[09:51] <Kajiya> (Vit still should end on an evens for optimality)
[09:51] <Rally> Because Even gave you +1 stat
[09:51] <Rally> er
[09:51] <Rally> soak
[09:51] <Rally> while odd didn't
[09:52] <Kajiya> ...That's what I said though Rally?
[09:52] <Rally> oh
[09:52] <Rally> oops
[09:52] <Kajiya> But yea, vit still should be even if you want to 'optimize'
[09:52] <Reikim> Right, okay
[09:53] <Reikim> Final stat spread: 16/14/4/4/4
[09:53] <Kajiya> (Also, Mag should end on even if you want spells. Else yea beyond that doesn't fully matter)
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[09:53] <Polly> Hello
[09:54] <@Jran-Kri> Heya, Polly!
[09:55] <Kajiya> Hello's Polly
[09:56] <LeftHandofGod> >I want to never have spells ever, declared bold new STR/AGI build
[09:56] <LeftHandofGod> Hullo Polly
[09:56] <memoo> hiya polly
[09:56] <Rally> Sounds like Rally.
[09:59] <Reikim> Spells are for the weak.
[10:00] <Kajiya> Who neeeds em, just punch the spells
[10:00] <Polly> Barbarians
[10:00] <Reikim> Fittingly, I took High Ward.
[10:00] <Kajiya> The issue becomes when you need to punch the bullets and just get them lodged in your lungs.
[10:00] <Polly> :P
[10:01] <Reikim> High Ward, Defender (enhancement), Regeneration, and Avenger
[10:02] <Reikim> I just realized there's a Defender enhancement, and a Defender perk.
[10:13] <Rally> Thinking of throwing a new girl out there.
[10:14] <Reikim> ROLL.
[10:14] <Polly> Really ? What kind ?
[10:14] <Rally> Empathy Spec.
[10:15] * Kajiya flops over on face
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[10:16] <Reikim> What kind of Empath?
[10:17] * BC-Phone snuggles with BarKeep|Laptop.
[10:17] <Rally> What do you mean what kind...?
[10:17] <BC-Phone> The only kind.
[10:17] <BC-Phone> The lewd kind (No, not really)
[10:18] <Joy> My mahous stat spread is 3/3/3/3/3
[10:19] <Joy> she saw mahou on the news and was inspired to dress super chic and fight evil and became a vigilante instead of an actual mahou
[10:20] <Joy> her secret power is being so convincing that even mahou (without magical perception) are fooled by her bravado
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[10:20] <Rally> How has she not died yet?
[10:20] <Trimangle> joy wat
[10:21] <Reikim> Wait wait wait
[10:21] <Reikim> Is she Diamond from Samurai Flamenco?
[10:22] <Joy> I haven't seen Samurai Flamenco!
[10:22] <BC-Phone> >Not 3/3/3/3/40 and just being so lucky that it's like being a mahou.
[10:22] <Joy> Should I?
[10:22] <memoo> yes
[10:22] <Reikim> ooooooooh yes
[10:22] <memoo> its quite the ride
[10:22] * LeftHandofGod notices a new message in overcity, realizes that trim responded after all.
[10:22] <Reikim> It is, in fact, the wildest of rides.
[10:23] <LeftHandofGod> ... Huh.
[10:23] <Reikim> And it's a ride you can't get off of.
[10:23] <Rally> BC: LUCKY TED
[10:23] <Reikim> Ever.
[10:23] <Rally> Joy: That statline is literally impossible anyway
[10:23] <Trimangle> LeftHandofGod, Hexchat did NOT fire off an alert
[10:23] <Rally> er
[10:23] <Trimangle> I was very distraught
[10:23] <Joy> Rally, the secret to her longevity is that I don't RP
[10:23] <LeftHandofGod> Null sweat chum
[10:23] <Rally> Makes sense.
[10:23] <Joy> haha
[10:24] <Joy> I thought that statline was the default for like, mundane humans
[10:24] <Kajiya> Well
[10:24] <Kajiya> 4 is the average mundane human, but I assume also an ADULT human
[10:24] <Kajiya> So, a teenage girl is probably actually hovering around 3 or even 2
[10:24] <Reikim> iirc out-of costume you're supposed to have 3 across the board
[10:24] <Kajiya> Magical stats are flat out 0's for non-magic folks
[10:25] <Kajiya> Out of costume you're a 4 across the board I think
[10:25] <Reikim> barring perks or spec-related shenanigans
[10:25] <Rally> Joy: Sorry I meant
[10:25] <Rally> 3/3/3/3/40 is impossible even for a mahou
[10:25] <Rally> hell
[10:25] <Rally> an Monster Girl
[10:25] <Rally> A*
[10:25] <Reikim> Mostly because you can't go below 4 in a stat.
[10:25] <Kajiya> You can
[10:25] <Rally> was gonna say an MG but erased and didn't fix the an
[10:25] <Kajiya> Vit/Twin Soul
[10:25] <Circe> Twin Souls an.
[10:25] <Circe> *Can
[10:25] <Kajiya> Erm
[10:25] <Rally> Kaj: 40 in one stat
[10:25] <Kajiya> Twin Soul/A way out
[10:25] <Reikim> Right, it's 3 across the board untransformed
[10:25] <Rally> is quite literally impossible
[10:25] <Kajiya> can nerf your stats below 4
[10:25] <Reikim> See: right under Costume
[10:25] <Rally> I have tried
[10:26] <Kajiya> As for the 40 in one stat though, yes
[10:26] <BC-Phone> If you're twin soul (fusable) with nothing that adds to base stats... You could in theory have a 1 in each stat...
[10:26] <Kajiya> It is quite impossible
[10:26] <Rally> Trust me
[10:26] <Trimangle> BC-Phone, your weapon and outfit would
[10:26] <Rally> if it was possible
[10:26] <Rally> hooo boy
[10:26] <Rally> Aiko would have it.
[10:26] <Reikim> Yeah she would.
[10:26] <Kajiya> OK just checked the Core PDF
[10:26] <Kajiya> It says 3's across the board there
[10:26] <BC-Phone> Trimangle: only while transformed.
[10:27] <Trimangle> BC-Phone, Fair point
[10:27] <Kajiya> (Which sadly means Kyrie only has 7 vit when untransformed)
[10:27] <Reikim> iirc though there are perks/specs that contribute to your base stats even out of costume.
[10:27] <Kajiya> There are
[10:27] <Kajiya> Your age also applies out of costume
[10:27] <Kajiya> So, a baseline mahou at minimum is 3/3/3/3/4 or something
[10:27] <BC-Phone> Ah, bugger, you're right.
[10:28] <Reikim> But then Twin Soul, theoretically?
[10:28] <Kajiya> Ah ,yep, AMGC also has it listed
[10:28] <Kajiya> Also
[10:28] <Kajiya> Twin soul indeed is -1 all -2 vit or -2 all that APPLIES OUT OF COSTUME too
[10:28] <Kajiya> So
[10:28] <Rally> Hummm
[10:29] <Rally> Should I have new character show in pub
[10:29] <Rally> or in streets somewhere
[10:29] <Rally> hmmmmmm
[10:29] <Kajiya> You can be a 1 str 1 mag 1 vit 1 agi 2 luk twin set
[10:29] <BC-Phone> So you'd have to take twin soul and JUST enough to cancel out the penalties out of costume...
[10:29] <Kajiya> . . . Comically
[10:29] <Kajiya> This means that with A Way Out
[10:29] <Reikim> Rally, tell us about your character
[10:29] <Kajiya> you can hit 0 vit
[10:30] <Reikim> Ghost girl.
[10:30] <BC-Phone> Kajiya: And then it REALLY becomes a way out!
[10:30] <Reikim> She is already dead.
[10:30] <Rally> Pffft
[10:30] <Kajiya> Well
[10:30] <Kajiya> More like in a coma
[10:30] <Rally> best part Kajiya
[10:30] <Reikim> "The only winning move is not to play" < she said, way too seriously.
[10:30] <Rally> is that someone could theoretically get that via rolling
[10:30] <Rally> >Puchuu makes you a mahou
[10:30] <Rally> >Instantly kills you
[10:30] <Kajiya> A single bronze coin can nope that though
[10:30] <Reikim> It would make an interesting character, though.
[10:30] <Kajiya> However, it IS technically valid
[10:30] <Reikim> How would you even play that?
[10:30] <BC-Phone> Can't remember the character name... But the girl that's a... Ogre? Oni?
[10:31] <Kajiya> Because your MAGICAL form
[10:31] <Reikim> Suika?
[10:31] <Kajiya> is still at 1 vit
[10:31] <Rally> Eprs?
[10:31] <Trimangle> Katsumi, the oni
[10:31] <Rally> Kasumi I think
[10:31] <Kajiya> That said
[10:31] <Rally> KaTsumi
[10:31] <Rally> damn it
[10:31] <Kajiya> I think that the mahou's untransformed state
[10:31] <BC-Phone> Could be represented as 0 VIT.
[10:31] <Kajiya> Would be a perpetual sickly girl
[10:31] <Reikim> > monostat mag Twin Soul with 0 VIT
[10:31] <Kajiya> Either that or she has Astral Projection
[10:31] <Reikim> > wake > fusion > obliterate > go back to coma
[10:32] <Kajiya> And when she's not transformed she has to be a spirit
[10:32] <Reikim> Actually imma spec this now.
[10:32] <Kajiya> >Mahou gets her body stolen, literally, and needs help having mahou retrieve it for her astral projection
[10:32] <Reikim> That's a plot hook I'd sink my teeth into.
[10:33] <Reikim> But you do need Twin Soul, so there'd be two of them.
[10:33] <Kajiya> Also
[10:33] <Reikim> \
[10:33] <Kajiya> Looking at it
[10:33] <Reikim> Or weird split fragments of personality.
[10:33] <Reikim> > your mahou is now Mimi
[10:33] <Kajiya> Ryah should technically be having this issue
[10:33] <Kajiya> She has two twin souls
[10:33] <BC-Phone> Heh.
[10:33] <Kajiya> And a way out
[10:34] <Reikim> ...wait you can double-up on Twin Soul?
[10:34] <Kajiya> Nah
[10:34] <Kajiya> She was made using old rules
[10:34] <Kajiya> And I've only just been updating her. I don't use her really
[10:34] <Kajiya> But by this logic: She shoul dhave -2 vit
[10:34] <Kajiya> as untransformed
[10:34] <Kajiya> (Applying normal logic though she actually is at 0 vit as an untransformed)
[10:35] <Kajiya> Bonus points too
[10:35] <Kajiya> Becaus unlike most mahou
[10:35] <BC-Phone> Pretty sure she would be dead at -2...
[10:35] <Kajiya> She's actually legal age of 18
[10:35] <Kajiya> The only adult mahou is more fragile than the non-adult ones
[10:35] <Kajiya> (That said, she's basicall ynot used outside of RP)
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[10:36] <Kajiya> (So her being literally insta-KO if hit fits)
[10:36] <Kajiya> But yea. Comically though
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[10:36] <Kajiya> I did actually roll them up more or less like this. (I had to re-roll to replace twin soul and got a way out)