guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:41:28 AM): mmk and mods cut down and the lounge got up, nice
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:41:40 AM): yep
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:42:01 AM): just curious to know why I was unmodded though, anything particular?
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:42:46 AM): we had too many
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:43:06 AM): streamer does not = mod anymore
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:43:36 AM): this way you can focus on streaming, and people like kiki, deciver, and other who do not stream can focus on chat mod.
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:43:41 AM): others*
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:44:04 AM): too many mods = delete madness, i know you may have never done it but that's what happens.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:44:16 AM): so I take it adam rsm and edge aren't mods anymore?
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:44:30 AM): Edge is the chat admin
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:44:50 AM): Why
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:45:12 AM): In all honesty I just asked because of the mini war me and adam had which ended in the text deleting
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:45:28 AM): Just curious to know if he was still a mod
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:45:32 AM): it's not because of that
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:46:11 AM): it would just bug me that I did mod duties, and he text deletes and he might still be a mod, I get that he's helpful but he tens to get on alot of people's badsides
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:46:19 AM): tends*
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:46:53 AM): Adam is still a mod, he knows the rules and almost never bans anyone. I've spoken to him about what he can and can not do like the other mods. You don't need chat mod, someone else can handle it.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:47:22 AM): >knows rules
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:47:29 AM): >deletes text when someone disagrees with him
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:47:34 AM): >knows rules
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:47:39 AM): >hijacks a skyrim stream

cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:47:50 AM): I talked to him about all these issues
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:48:32 AM): you don't need chat mod, and it's meaningless to give out to any more users.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:48:59 AM): well, seeing as I strongly disagree with you(not the only one by far), you can take my streaming rights too, at least until I fix my table because I just flipped it after all this made I just OD'd, I'll be a reg, but I won't stream when he's a mod
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:49:15 AM): sorry bro
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:50:33 AM): i haven't added you, i was about to but don't start to think you can hold your streaming hostage if i don't do what you want. I'm the admin these are rules everyone else agreed on.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:50:57 AM): I'm not holding my streaming hostage
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:51:33 AM): I'm not trying to get adam off of his rights, I do however disagree with you, that's why I'm saying it,
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:53:20 AM): Then i'll ask now that you don't start drama in chat, don't try to lure users away to your own site, if you do these things i'll ban you myself. If you want streaming rights back just msg me but for now adam will be staying as chat mod.
cerulean86 (11/19/11 1:54:08 AM): you're always welcome here, but the mods list is what it is.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:54:10 AM): I understand the mods =/= streamers yet you chose to kept the one person who tends to break those rules, he's deleted text more than once, I've never jacked a stream on purpose, he has, yet he's the one who keeps the rights, there's been plenty other mods you could keep that wouldn't do the shit he does
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:54:16 AM): but I'm aware it's your decision
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:54:43 AM): and I'm no zaffe so you have nothing to worry about that but I will say that there are plenty PM's of why adam is still a mod
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:54:58 AM): and that's where the drama starts
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:55:32 AM): alot of people are waiting for adam to do one more thing so they can moan and complain to you
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:55:37 AM): so tell adam not to fuck it up
guzchuggler (11/19/11 1:58:05 AM): could you at least give me one decent reason for keeping adam as a mod? Because I'm full of WHAT atm

guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:03:16 AM): ?
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:08:05 AM): I let a lot of stuff go, at hexep I didn't add a single person to any of it and a lot of streamers had been breaking rules that only adam mentions. This is why most of you "hate" him, but he's usually saying what we're all thinking. Same thing with moderators, I was not in charge of who was and was not added. It got to the point where Ken thought it would be ok to spam U MADE over and over. You guys look at it and say adam is a cunt for deleting all of kens text, but you're ignoring what Ken does because you like him. Just because someone is your friend dosn't mean that it's ok to be fucking around on stream and chat we do have SOME rules. Adam is usually very direct and sometmes comes off as an asshole, me and him at raze would fight all the time. The main things you need to understand about adam is that as negatve as he is, he's never really seriously angry with you, secondly you have to understand that he is trying to help you and the stream in the end and you should usually take his advice. I'm not saying he's perfect but he is reasonable when you talk to him, and as for anyone who has complained about him they've done so behind my back as if I wont listen when in fact anyone who has mentioned it to me i've taken it to adam and we've sorted it out. He knows what i expect from him now, if he breaks those rules things will change but for now this is how ime and edge agreed to do the mod/streamer list.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:08:31 AM): whoa
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:08:40 AM): I didn't even know kendo did all that
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:09:09 AM): trust me guz adam is a reasonable man
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:09:20 AM): would you trust me f you were a mod
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:10:02 AM): honestly, the mod thing isn't what bothered me, it's jsut that fact that you'd keep him over someone who actually did the mod thing, and I do understand the spam is bad but let's be honest
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:10:14 AM): He's done it mroe than once
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:10:22 AM): and because of that people will always bring it up
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:10:28 AM): i'm def not saying you didn't do mod stuff
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:10:37 AM): i'm saying the list is full
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:11:29 AM): I only went over these things with adam yesterday, and we only switched chats tonight. So now i have more control over what happens with mods/streamers

guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:11:33 AM): I know but to keep him over some other ones is what made me made, if you were to pull the streamer = /= mod then I don't see how adam became a mod still after his past problems
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:12:09 AM): I understand he's helpful, but let's take the mod arguement we had
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:12:24 AM): You were both wrong.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:12:26 AM): he constantly deleted my text, kiki I believe retaliated by deleting his
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:12:47 AM): no one was right in that situation
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:12:55 AM): and i talked to him about it
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:12:55 AM): We got into an arguement, He used his mod powers to delete whatever I said
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:13:14 AM): that hasn't happened since, and it was two nights ago.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:13:21 AM): I understand you're going through alot with this site, but I'm jsut giving my two cents
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:13:45 AM): let me put it to you this way, let's say I modded you, and adam
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:14:25 AM): And while you deleted spam, porn, and unbanned whoever was in the ban list for a lengthy time, and you see adam, who's done his usual thing that people comlain about, keep his mod yet I take yours away
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:14:30 AM): when both of youa re streamers
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:14:35 AM): how would you feel?
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:14:50 AM): What you don't understand is that me keeping him as a mod has nothing to do with him being right and you being wrong.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:15:08 AM): I understand that, which is why I was asking him, why is he a mod
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:15:22 AM): I never approved you as a mod in the first place guz, keep this in mind.
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:15:31 AM): I didn't take anything away from you
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:15:56 AM): in fact i was about to give you streaming rights, something i never approved of in the first place.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:16:02 AM): I'm aware of this but you didn't approve anyone before this, so why would you approve someone who has a known tendency to do what he does
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:16:16 AM): Because it's my site and this is my choice?
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:16:23 AM): I'm jsut asking for a reason
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:16:26 AM): a legit reason

cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:17:10 AM): I gave you one, up in the TL;DR, we had too many mods adam can respect my rules or not and if he dosn't he will be removed as mod. You do not get mod because you don't need it. This is my reason like it or not.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:18:41 AM): well clearly I don't like it but it seems I don't have a choice, when everyone starts calling you zaffe 2.0, from which I heard from some people awhile ago, and they bring adam up as a ruling against you, don't get made. I'm just venting my anger because I honestly don't get why, but like I said, it's all your decision, you have to deal with them later on
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:19:32 AM): why are you name calling me, i havn't done a god damn thing ot you. That hurts man thanks.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:19:42 AM): I'm not name calling you
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:19:46 AM): the ban list is fucking empty and i'm zaffe 2.0
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:19:54 AM): To be perfectly honest
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:20:10 AM): you seem like a great guy to me, always have been ever since I saw you stream luigi's mansion
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:20:31 AM): I'm saying I got a buttload of pm's pertaining to "TL;DR" and they called you that
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:20:44 AM): and they complained about adam as well
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:21:08 AM): which tends to be their only arguement, now I'm aware the behind your back thing is a total dick move but other people need to vent their agner as well
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:21:37 AM): those same uses are so chldish they couldn't come ask me, or tell me what was wrong. These are the people you're basing your opinions about me on?
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:21:48 AM): seriously?
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:22:12 AM): I'm not basing opions on anything, I'm saying that's hat they're calling you, read where I said that again, and you'll clearly see I said "other people calling you x"
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:22:44 AM): and those childish people tend to be the majority of the regs, I'm just telling you so you can be aware, like I said, you're a great guy, but people get made
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:22:46 AM): it's the internet
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:22:49 AM): it alwayshappens
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:22:59 AM): try forming your own opinion next time, I am not zaffe 2.0 you guys just want a lawless chat and that will never happen. We have rules for a reason.

guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:23:16 AM): whoa whoa whoa, don't go all prejudice on me, read what I said again
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:23:22 AM):
I just said YOU'RE A GREAT GUY

guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:25:07 AM): I said other people call you that, to be frank I don't even know what happend
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:28:12 AM): to be honest I don't care about it seeing as I wasn't there and it's probably just drama on top of drama the regs love to start, I'm just saying that alot of people wanted adam out, not out of streaming, but as a mod, seeing as you just revealed to me that I'm probably the first one to point this out, then I guess the others haven't told you yet, I'm just basically trying to tell you what I'm getting from a crap load of pm's and my own opinion, and like I said before I think you're a stand up fellow, I love canada except for it's bacon products which aren't necessarily bacon, and I'm far from trying to start an arguement with you that ends with me leaving and getting butthurt, I'm just trying to inform you as to why I'm made, why others are made, and why alot of people are kinda in made mode atm
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:29:03 AM): which I'm guessing probably exaserbated the current thing that happend that led in people calling you that, people get made, they form baseless opinions, it happens
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:31:57 AM): And for the record, I'm aware that ken was abusing his powers, I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible, but hismod powers were taken away
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:53:38 AM): one last thing, I'm kinda hurt myself that you'd think I'd pull an anti zaffe and make people leave your site, just because I disagree with you
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:54:14 AM): Well if you're leaving it's just a warning.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:54:44 AM): a warning you believe is going to happen, which clearly won't because I'm not that low, and let's be honest, if i was planning that I wouldn't have even had this long chat with you
guzchuggler (11/19/11 2:55:00 AM): I'm just trying to talk with you and hopefully sort this out
cerulean86 (11/19/11 2:58:08 AM): Don't assume that just because I tell you somthing isn't ok to do that it means I think you will do it. At the same time the fact that you and kendo are talking in pm rather then bringing a problem to me leads me to believe you have something against me. You and five or six others may not like my rules, that dosn't change the rules. If they're broken I'll deal with it. We're now on chat and livestream I controll, rules for chat and stream are going up now as i type this and will be enforcing them. Try to understand that this is all happening today, anything that happened in the past was part of hexep stream where i was unable to say who was mod, streamer or do anything to change it.

guzchuggler (11/19/11 3:00:55 AM): you just said it as a threat when you brought it up, and we just started to pom not long after you said about the banning of me for making a new site threat, look, you may think it's 5 or 6, but it's a good chunk of the regs, I would give you the names but I'd rather they themselves told you and believe me, it's far from 5 or 6
guzchuggler (11/19/11 3:00:59 AM): pm*
cerulean86 (11/19/11 3:01:48 AM): Look
cerulean86 (11/19/11 3:03:10 AM): This is our site, and our rules. I have spent the last week with pystub ry, and other getting a site working for us. And you're talking like all i do is shit on you guys.
guzchuggler (11/19/11 3:03:23 AM): in all honesty this makes you and me no better than zaffe, clearly I won't change my perspective on this arguement, and neither will many others, and I understand running a site is hard, but when a vast majority of people have a problem it'd be better solve liked this
cerulean86 (11/19/11 3:03:28 AM): so thanks bro, thanks for making me feel like an asshole after everything i've done to do for you guys
guzchuggler (11/19/11 3:03:33 AM): rather than me "making a new site" which obviously won't happen
cerulean86 (11/19/11 3:03:38 AM): i'm not continuing this conversation
guzchuggler (11/19/11 3:03:37 AM): I'm not trying to do that cer
guzchuggler (11/19/11 3:10:44 AM): Look I see it from your point of view, and I'm aware of that, but look would you rather we just do what we did to zaffe and up and leave over one mistake? I'm grateful for all you ry and the other's have done, I really am, I'm trying to point out one thing ONE THING I hope you correct, I know I'm sounding like an asshole but it's not just me it's triple,derp,kendo,tehflan,garfield,ghetto taco (who also did what you did to some extent),D3,hobo, and many others who had the same point I have, but the thing is they don't want to do what I'm doing for the same reason I didn't want to start this arguement, I'm not trying to make you feel like an asshole I'm just saying, YOU run this site, YOU were the one who said it would be a site ran by the streamers, and YOU were the one who said it would be different, I'm clearly giving you a problem a majority of regs have but don't want to outright tell you, and you beleive I'm trying to call you an asshole
cerulean86 (11/19/11 3:11:24 AM): hreatening me?
guzchuggler (11/19/11 3:11:30 AM): what?
cerulean86 (11/19/11 3:11:40 AM): Why are you threatening me
guzchuggler (11/19/11 3:11:44 AM): IM NOT
guzchuggler (11/19/11 3:12:15 AM): I'm telling you the idea you brought upon yourself of a new website is preposterous because it clearly won't happen

guzchuggler (11/19/11 3:15:59 AM): tell me where I said that
guzchuggler (11/19/11 3:16:03 AM): I did not threaten you anywhere
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:09:37 AM): To pms it is, and remember when you told me not to bring it up in chat before
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:09:54 AM): and you immediately brought it up to chat right aftert
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:10:09 AM): and the drama being imminent wasn't directed at you, it's just a fact mainly
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:10:40 AM): I don't want to start another silly argument that ends with both of us not being happy, so I'm going to decide to just ignore it like you do, and stay in the lounge
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:17:34 AM): please tell me how I'm being unreasonable though, chryme brought up someone started drama and I said it's always imminent, it was in no way aimed at what happend before, I was just stating that it happens
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:18:21 AM): What gives you the right to act this way towards me? Tell me exactly what i have done *to* you.
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:19:03 AM): You're blaming all this crap on me, like i can;t make up my own mod list and rules on my own page
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:19:14 AM): WHOA WHOA WHOA
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:19:17 AM): i didn't even bring that up
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:19:22 AM): nor was I trying to reference that
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:19:30 AM): I just added one little quip like I tend to do
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:19:31 AM): You brought it up three times from last night
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:19:37 AM): when?
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:19:46 AM): During rsm abes strea,
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:19:53 AM): I told him internet drama
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:19:57 AM): that was all
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:20:18 AM): I didn't go "cer made made made" because that would exaserbate it, and make me a dick
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:20:51 AM): and you strictly told me to keep this on pm's yet right after you said that you basically brought it up on the stream chat
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:21:07 AM): "guz made me feel like an asshole" ect ect
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:21:22 AM): YOU DID

cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:21:26 AM): YOU ARE
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:21:31 AM): SO THANKS BRO
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:22:06 AM): Look, the best way I see this working out is we ignore each other for awhile because in all honesty I'm still steamed from last night, and I'm assuming you are too
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:22:18 AM): I promise I won't bring anything up
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:22:21 AM): if you do the same
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:22:23 AM): deal?
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:22:54 AM): you bring you bring up this drama in chat again i'll ban you from the site, that's the deal
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:23:23 AM): bringing it up is only making it worse and there IS NO DRAMA
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:23:49 AM): please don't go zaffe on us, I just said a truce, you don't have to act like that and make me feel like you're a god with a ban hammer
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:23:53 AM): I JUST SAID I WONT BRING IT UP
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:23:58 AM): I am asking you not to do something
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:24:00 AM): and clearly there is because we're having this chat
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:24:05 AM): you bring up this drama in chat again i'll ban you from the site, that's the deal
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:24:10 AM): i am not zaffe if i ask you, jesus you guys are so fucking mean.
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:24:10 AM): sounds like a threat more than anything
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:24:23 AM): How else are you to take it>?
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:24:33 AM): I want you to stop, if you do not you will be punished.
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:24:35 AM): "I agree not to bring it up if you won't
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:24:39 AM): simple as that
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:25:00 AM): All I did was say " >implying drama ins't imminent"
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:25:10 AM): which wasn't aimed at what happend last night
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:25:28 AM): it was over what happend with the situation chryme was talking about
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:26:15 AM): Like I said, I won't bring it up, if you don't and if people talk to me about it , I'll just change the topic

cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:26:30 AM): when have i brought it up past when it happened
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:26:34 AM): and now
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:26:37 AM): never
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:26:42 AM): You have brought it up twice
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:26:45 AM): You did last night
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:26:47 AM): Move on guz
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:26:55 AM): when you STRICTLY TOLD ME not to bring it up on chat
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:27:12 AM): I didn't go on chat and say cer made me feel like an asshole for not giving me mod rights
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:27:12 AM): and yet you did anyway
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:27:16 AM): you did first
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:27:21 AM): Of for fuck sakes
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:27:24 AM): after you told me not to and I respected it
cerulean86 (11/20/11 12:27:26 AM): how old are you?
guzchuggler (11/20/11 12:27:41 AM): old enough to be the bigger man and leave this arguement