00:00
don't get to talk to you for the first
00:01
time in a stream ever and it looks like
00:05
we're live well hi everybody is that
00:11
kind of your standard-issue intro I
00:12
don't usually listen to your podcast
00:14
series there is no standard issue intro
00:17
this is this is a fucking hat man show
00:20
what do you expect it's always late and
00:24
something is going to go that's just the
00:26
standard operating procedure here you
00:29
got a little bit of tininess going on
00:31
your voice too kind of some distortion
00:32
just super help well let's see if I can
00:35
fix that
00:37
hopefully this won't kill me I'm the one
00:41
running on the super budget $25 best buy
00:43
microphone I used to have a pretty
00:49
decent little headset and then I guess
00:52
one day my cat decided the court looked
00:54
tastier than her dinner no God
00:58
alright hopefully hopefully I'm not I'm
01:00
not a robot now but I can't make any
01:02
promises
01:03
there you go you sound better okay yep
01:05
that's that's what it is sometimes you
01:07
gotta use your phone as as your fucking
01:09
modem so are you actually running off
01:12
your cell phone yep well using using
01:17
that is basically the modem for my
01:19
fucking laptop because okay well they
01:22
got that they had that bridging the
01:24
software stuff I know about her do you
01:26
have one of the little docs that plugs
01:27
into your USB not basically just my
01:32
iPhone is magic
01:34
iPhone I told you I am a Mac even Oh God
01:40
in all senses of the term I sold my soul
01:44
to Apple probably a decade and a half
01:46
ago do you know what Mac OS is it's an
01:51
operating system for people who are too
01:53
posh to use Windows but too dumb to run
01:55
Linux you're really not wrong at least
02:04
that's the way we use and say it back in
02:05
the day
02:06
you're really not wrong but anyway uh hi
02:11
everyone if if you're actually
02:14
listening to to this bullshit I'm I'm
02:18
the goddamn hat man he's the goddamn
02:21
acid man we well I talked about
02:25
gamergate stuff last night and I sort of
02:30
named dropped acid here and it was like
02:33
you know what fuck it let's let's do a
02:35
stream where we talk about some shit
02:37
well it was actually one of our Mutual's
02:39
on Twitter I'd been out with friends all
02:42
day and I got back home and I was
02:43
checking my DMS cuz I've been talking
02:45
with the head honcho over at tech Raptor
02:48
trying to kind of calm down this
02:50
bubbling volcano that we've got going on
02:52
and I caught this diem in there he said
02:55
hey you were mentioned on this stream
02:56
and that basically said where the hell
02:59
is acid man who could talk about some of
03:01
this crap I was like you know it's been
03:03
a long time I've never done one of these
03:04
things
03:05
owing to an old promise I made to the
03:06
board but there was an exception to that
03:08
for talking about gamergate related
03:10
stuff and I think this would probably
03:12
qualify seems like it at the very least
03:16
well lord knows we got a lot of shit
03:18
happening right now no holy hell I mean
03:24
at least at least it's not the the level
03:29
of weekend drama that we were used to
03:32
years ago I remember the calendars that
03:36
used to get sent around as an image
03:37
macro it's like Monday ethics Tuesday
03:41
dis not Wednesday
03:45
you know emails to developers or
03:47
whatever then Saturday drama Sunday
03:50
drama yep pretty much that's that's how
03:54
it went that man goes on vacation extra
03:58
helping of drama I don't think I ever
04:02
took a vacation when the board was like
04:04
super active yeah that kindness
04:09
Disneyworld was a thing in Star Wars
04:11
Weekends was a thing and then I later
04:14
found out that was the last Star Wars
04:15
Weekends that they were going to have so
04:18
kind of uh kind of ruined it for me
04:21
there you a bunch of assholes but only
04:24
kind of
04:26
I work way too much to take vacation
04:30
time most of the time but it's nice got
04:34
a situation where I love my job so it
04:35
never really feels like work
04:39
unfortunately
04:41
I I don't I don't have one of one of
04:46
those jobs the job that I just quit on
04:49
Saturday was abysmal
04:51
and I'm glad to be out of there what
04:57
were you doing of retail that work yeah
05:02
it was awful especially especially
05:04
coming off of working at a fucking news
05:08
station I mean that's that's kind of a
05:11
shift in the it really is I was making
05:14
more money in retails surprisingly
05:17
enough but I hated every every damn day
05:21
of it and it was it was always just a
05:25
slog to get through I had headaches
05:29
constantly I mean I had to I had to
05:31
carry fucking excedrin in my pocket
05:34
whenever I would go in because I would
05:36
need four or five pills by the time my
05:40
shift was over
05:44
fuck that shit yeah I can see that glad
05:50
to be out of there though
05:54
retail is better than being a waiter uh
05:56
are they really so different though are
06:00
they really that much different well it
06:06
kind of depends on the circumstances I
06:07
think trying to think here real quick
06:13
like when I got out of college and I
06:15
went after my first major employment I
06:19
made a rule for myself and that was I
06:22
was not going to work in two places no
06:24
matter what I was not gonna do big-box
06:26
retail and I was not gonna do fast food
06:29
and so what I wound up actually doing
06:32
was I trove around all the nearby towns
06:35
and I went until I found a store that
06:37
looked kind of interesting it was a
06:40
place that actually sold army equipment
06:43
right outside an army base not too far
06:45
from here and I walked in and I talked
06:49
with the manager a little bit and they
06:50
happened to have a you know we're hiring
06:52
sign up on one of their windows and I
06:54
went back in it was one of those
06:55
businesses that was small enough you
06:57
could actually walk in and talk to the
06:58
guy who owns the place mm-hmm and I told
07:02
him my story I was just out of college
07:03
my father had recently passed away it
07:06
was my first time kind of out in the
07:07
workforce and his stuff looked
07:09
interesting and I'd be happy to try
07:11
learning how to sell it and we talked
07:13
for probably two hours back there over
07:15
cups of coffee and in the end we shook
07:17
hands and he said fill out an
07:18
application and they called me back the
07:20
next day said you're hired damn
07:26
how long ago was that if you don't mind
07:29
my asking that was oh seven I did theirs
07:34
again yep they started me off as a
07:36
part-time register monkey and I did that
07:38
for about three months and then they
07:40
moved me to full-time and I did that for
07:42
about six months and they transferred me
07:44
back to shipping and I did really well
07:48
back there they put me in charge of
07:49
training new employees after the first
07:51
month and then I got promoted again at
07:54
the end of that year and actually for a
07:56
while I had my own office in the company
07:58
headquarters of the shipping manager I
08:00
did that for about a year and it was a
08:05
good job I got decent pay but I was
08:07
sitting in a chair at a computer all day
08:09
and the town that I was working in a
08:13
small town a lot of greasy spoon diner
08:16
tight places mm-hmm I'm a big guy I eat
08:21
a lot and I went from being a 265 pound
08:25
muscley X weight lifter to 360 pounds
08:30
Jesus Christ yeah and I started having
08:33
circulation problems in my legs and at
08:35
the end of that year I had to do
08:38
something to get me out and active again
08:40
so I took up shooting which is a hobby I
08:42
had when I was a kid and I joined the
08:45
local gun range up there and I fell in
08:47
with this little gun store and I
08:49
to know the owner real well became kind
08:52
of a regular customer it is and in about
08:57
Oh probably Oh nine I think it was
09:01
February he took an interest in selling
09:04
guns on the internet which he was an old
09:06
guy you know cannot into computer type a
09:09
deal and so I taught him how to sell
09:13
guns on the internet and things kind of
09:16
started to pick up for his business and
09:18
one day I was in there and he told me
09:20
you know look I kind of need you to
09:21
shoot her get off the pot if you want to
09:24
come work for me full-time and help me
09:25
sell guns here's your invitation and I
09:29
said oh hell yes and so that got me out
09:32
of my office job and I went to work for
09:34
him as a full-time sales staff and I did
09:37
that for about two years and got
09:39
promoted to store manager and then a
09:42
year after that he kind of semi-retired
09:44
and appointed me as the operations
09:45
manager for his gun business and I did
09:48
that all the way up until February March
09:53
April would have been about the end of
09:55
May 2015 and I moved out of there
10:00
because I got an invitation from some of
10:01
my customers who were running their own
10:03
gun store to come up and run their
10:06
operation for him full time because the
10:08
guy that I was working under was looking
10:09
at retiring so I waltzed in and they
10:13
turned over the keys and said kind of
10:15
you know here you go make it run that's
10:18
where I've been ever since and it's been
10:19
a blast
10:22
um I don't know if you if you can really
10:27
answer this question I know it's a
10:29
little or it could violate some kind of
10:33
confidentiality if you or whatever have
10:36
you had any interesting quote-unquote
10:41
customers come into your gun stores at
10:44
all
10:44
you always get interesting customers
10:47
both kinds you know I've got I've got a
10:51
group of guys who comes in about once a
10:53
month who could probably stock a UH a
10:56
National Guard Armory with the amount of
10:58
stuff that they've bought but they're
11:00
just a bunch of cool old country guys
11:02
and then every once in a while
11:04
especially at the old store because it
11:06
was a kind of a smaller nastier town
11:08
close to an army base we used to get the
11:10
occasional weirdos coming in but they
11:13
they got introduced to the exit in a
11:16
pretty reasonable manner if they did or
11:18
said anything that was untoward any
11:25
massive conspiracy theorists popping in
11:28
nor I got one he's he's kind of on the
11:31
borderline of getting asked not to come
11:33
back
11:34
he pops in every couple of months and
11:37
he's always on a rant about the Jews and
11:39
every other thing so far he hasn't done
11:44
anything to upset other customers or
11:46
give me a concrete reason to ask him to
11:48
leave but I don't look forward to him
11:50
wandering in though the point where you
11:53
need to stop taking Alex Jones literally
11:57
but no one no one who's come in talking
12:00
about how the the Hispanics are alerted
12:04
on it's not quite that bad I'll tell you
12:08
the weirdest one I ever had I met my
12:12
first Guido gangbanger one time I want
12:16
you to picture a guy scrawny white kid
12:18
and a wife beater in the middle of fall
12:21
comes in an old cargo shorts this white
12:24
wife beater
12:24
he's got bleach blonde dreadlocks all
12:28
the way down to his ass he's wearing two
12:32
he's where I never forget he's wearing
12:34
two different kinds of shoes he has like
12:37
a red Reebok on his right foot and like
12:40
a black Nike on his left foot strike me
12:47
down if I'm lyin and this dude comes in
12:49
and he asks me if I got a deuce deuce
12:51
with him beams and threw out you know a
12:56
complicated sequence of hand gestures
12:58
and grunting we eventually managed to
13:01
communicate across that a deuce deuce
13:03
referred to a semi-automatic 22 caliber
13:06
target pistol with dim beams
13:10
representing a tactical laser sight
13:12
that's fitted to its front rail so what
13:15
the guy wanted was like a Walther p22
13:17
with a laser sight on it but in his in
13:20
his particular I'm not sure what
13:23
dimension he was from but in their
13:24
vernacular you described that as a deuce
13:26
deuce with dim beams
13:28
and I rather quickly informed him that
13:32
no we didn't I don't have any any deuce
13:35
deuces with dim beams which you may wish
13:37
to try the the pawn shop and get him
13:39
pour him up the way there they may have
13:41
one for you Jesus that was my worst one
13:46
I have them I will never forget the
13:49
shoes thing oh I've heard some crazy
14:00
stories but I did have a guy come in one
14:02
time that I would swear to God with some
14:03
kind of Russian hitman he this was
14:06
during the height of the big Obama gun
14:08
boom and and this that this is my old
14:10
store that I was managing which is was
14:12
the biggest gun shop in the region by a
14:14
good-sized margin and I have this older
14:18
gentleman come in one day and he was
14:22
wearing a suit and he was wearing a suit
14:24
like he wore a suit every day if you
14:27
understand my meaning mm-hmm
14:29
nice jewelry nice shoes like alligator
14:32
leather and he came in and he asks me if
14:35
I could get one of the then at the time
14:36
brand new Barrett m107 50 caliber sniper
14:40
rifles and I called my big big big
14:44
distributor I do business with out of
14:45
Texas and he says yeah we got four of
14:47
them in the warehouse if you really want
14:49
one so I quoted this guy on one and the
14:52
price was like 13,500 and he says thank
14:57
you very much and he strolls on out the
14:59
door
14:59
I didn't see him again for about a week
15:01
and he walked in he was carrying a
15:03
briefcase and he comes back to the back
15:06
counter and he says could you call your
15:08
supplier and see if they still have that
15:10
Barrett available and so I call my guy
15:13
backup and he says yeah we've still got
15:15
four of them and I tell the guy that
15:17
they've got four he says I'd like to
15:19
order two is your price that you gave me
15:22
still good
15:23
and I says absolutely and like out of a
15:25
fucking mobster movie he puts this
15:27
briefcase up on my counter and pops it
15:29
and inside are stacks of $50 bills with
15:33
the bank band still around him and this
15:36
guy counts me out $17,000 in cash and
15:42
I've got this massive steel drop safe in
15:45
the gun store and we counted all of that
15:48
shit out and we put it in there and I
15:49
ordered him to 50 caliber sniper rifles
15:52
and about two weeks later they showed up
15:55
he came in we did his paperwork passed
15:57
his background check with flying colors
15:59
picked up these two massive Pelican
16:01
cases and strolled on out the door I
16:03
never saw him again
16:05
damn damn 50 dollar bills that's that's
16:12
actually kind of creative yep
16:19
damn so yeah I've never had anything
16:23
anything quite like that where I work
16:27
but I wholly expect I would not well
16:34
that was one of the more interesting
16:35
ones I mean you always get all types a
16:37
good gun the store is like a good bar
16:39
everybody's got a story everybody who
16:42
works there knows your name it's that's
16:45
kind of what separates us from the big
16:46
box places like Academy Sports and
16:48
things like that people want to come in
16:50
and deal with somebody they actually
16:51
know what the hell are talking about
16:53
yeah and you don't get that you know the
16:56
a place like Walmart they hire somebody
16:59
to run their gun counter back at
17:00
Sporting Goods they the person usually
17:02
might as well be selling shoes yeah
17:04
they've got a little bit of retail
17:06
experience but they're not a gun guy
17:09
it's funny I actually went to college
17:11
for five years on a double major doing
17:14
physics and math and never wound up
17:17
using a lick of it apart from a few bits
17:19
when we were doing an indoor gun range
17:21
design it's like there's no college
17:23
degree for what I do no not not really
17:27
it's basically hobbyist or ex-military
17:34
seems like yeah it's
17:36
well even ex-military and I love
17:38
soldiers probably a third of my major
17:40
friends circle are all soldiers from
17:42
Fort Riley they know weapons but they
17:47
know the weapons that they were trained
17:48
on hmm like I can hand any of those guys
17:51
any brand of ar-15 and they're as much
17:53
of an expert on it as I am we start
17:55
talking about the more exotic vanilli
17:57
shotguns and just like everybody else is
17:59
kind of deer in headlights I was it I
18:07
got a laugh out of that because you
18:09
always hear liberals talking about shit
18:10
like you know one of the old arguments
18:13
we used to see for gun control back in
18:14
the 90s was hey people need like
18:17
military or police level training
18:19
experience to handle guns and stuff like
18:21
that and it doesn't really work that way
18:29
nope nope I don't think you need
18:33
military or police level experience to
18:38
operate a fucking 2 to 3 rifle you know
18:43
I'll tell you what we actually had
18:44
police qualifying at our indoor range
18:47
police have here's the test that police
18:50
at least in our state have to pass they
18:52
have to fire 50 rounds every six months
18:55
that's a single box of ammo and at 7
18:59
yards I think of a 7 yards you know on a
19:04
silhouette target you got the big like
19:05
two and a half by three paper target has
19:08
a silhouette on it they have to get at
19:10
least 25 out of 50 in the black in the
19:14
actual target zone that represents the
19:16
person if they can do that that's their
19:18
weapon qualification Wow yeah Wow the AB
19:25
the average pistol hobbyist who goes to
19:28
the range once a month just to have fun
19:30
can shoot that well if not far better
19:32
now is there is there a caliber
19:35
requirement for that at all
19:37
no they have to qualify with whatever
19:39
their normal service pistol is okay
19:41
which in this state is probably 90% a
19:44
combination a nine millimeter and 40 Cal
19:46
with a few departments using 45s
19:49
nope ten millimeter anywhere no I am a
19:53
huge 10 millimeter geek but it's not
19:55
using any official capacity around here
19:59
it was about to say if if if they could
20:02
use it with with any any fucking gun
20:04
just take it 22 out there and you
20:06
basically sent that's actually what a
20:08
lot of people do for their concealed
20:10
carry license qualifications is
20:12
especially the women they'll come and
20:14
they'll qualify with a 22 where they
20:15
wind up actually packing like a 38
20:17
revolver or something mm-hmm I think I
20:22
think for here whatever you take the
20:26
shooting test with you it has to be what
20:29
you're planning on carrying but I I
20:30
could be completely wrong on that I
20:32
don't know much about I just want to say
20:35
to the Joker's over in the chat real
20:36
quick that osku is my waifu not my best
20:44
girl countdown to the how disgusting
20:49
jokes you know half the reason why i use
20:54
her as my freakin uh kinda go everywhere
20:57
representation just because the salt it
21:00
generates you wouldn't you wouldn't
21:05
think it would it would generate that
21:08
much outrage i don't know yeah well
21:13
let's just say that the there's a
21:15
copypasta not a copypasta an image macro
21:18
that makes its way around hm sometimes
21:21
that it's like oscar versus ray you two
21:25
have been doing this shit for 20 fucking
21:27
years or something like that i really
21:32
want to just pin trump down sometime and
21:34
ask him which one he would pick and if
21:40
trump says cow rude then we're fucked
21:43
now you know he's gonna want the the
21:46
energetic go-getter redhead he was all
21:48
competitive and shit he's not he's not
21:50
gonna put up with some submissive little
21:52
silver haired doll well obviously if he
21:55
answers anything but oscar the the
21:57
proper response is what are you stupid
22:00
or something on top Baca
22:03
I guess if you if you want to go with
22:06
the whole subtitle thing but hey it's
22:15
the Internet and then we reserve the
22:16
right to discuss means at our leisure
22:20
dankmemes in the electric dream the
22:24
electric dream you lost me on that one
22:26
yeah the electric dream Do Androids
22:31
Dream of Electric meems oh okay gotcha
22:33
uh well I guess we should probably turn
22:42
on some of the gamergate related stuff
22:44
problem probably so I think some people
22:47
are that was the stated point of our
22:48
discussion I guess what some people are
22:50
waiting for so where the hell do we
22:53
start should we start with the whole
22:54
tech Raptor thing yeah that's kind of
22:56
what I've been thinking about it's like
22:57
there's so much backstory to this and
23:00
it's not like I've come out with you
23:01
know regular updates on this streaming
23:03
type crap yeah I guess we can take a
23:09
look at the at the tech Raptor scenario
23:11
so I've been talking a little bit with
23:13
the owner of tech Raptor by a Twitter DM
23:15
just trying to kind of smooth a little
23:17
bit of this stuff over and most
23:20
importantly figure out what they're you
23:22
know what their intentions with what
23:23
they did really were and I'm not perfect
23:27
you know I'm not I'm not Denzel
23:30
Washington the negotiator but I do a lot
23:33
of business and a lot of it's
23:35
face-to-face and conversation type stuff
23:36
I don't think I'm a terrible
23:37
conversationalist when it comes to the
23:39
issues and what I think is going on is
23:43
that tech Raptor they got the spotlight
23:46
shone on them
23:47
by the the whole scheme curator
23:50
controversy there from about a week ago
23:52
and when that happened attention got
23:55
drawn to a lot of their older gamergate
23:57
related articles because that was you
23:59
know of course the evidence that
24:00
everybody was pointing out from the from
24:02
the sjw and Jerr no click shit media
24:05
side at hey these guys are gamergaters
24:07
blah blah blah well it wasn't the tech
24:11
Raptor was offended by their gamergate
24:13
content being pointed out is that they
24:16
were offended
24:17
by the low quality level of the articles
24:19
that were written at the time basically
24:23
I guess what I'm trying to say is if the
24:25
same articles containing the same
24:27
information we're on the site but in a
24:30
better written and presented form those
24:33
articles would not have been deleted
24:35
irrespective of them being involved with
24:36
gamergate but they jumped the gun to try
24:40
and clean up and sort of curate this old
24:42
content because it and I read back
24:45
through some of the pieces and while the
24:46
information and the pieces was good you
24:48
know especially for the time as we were
24:51
still trying to figure out a lot of the
24:52
shit that was going on - yeah the
24:55
writing and the the overall quality of
24:58
the pieces was kind of spotty no I'm not
25:02
a professional journalist or a writing
25:03
analyst or anything like that but they
25:05
read like something you'd read on a I'm
25:07
kind of an amateur blog yeah speaking as
25:10
someone with that kind of a background
25:12
yeah and I I think it could really be
25:14
attributed to the fact that Tec Raptor
25:17
was a fledgling site exactly time yeah
25:20
it started I think like a month or two
25:23
before gamergate actually got into full
25:25
swing yeah between then and now their
25:28
own standards for the work that they
25:29
have has gone way up yes and they were
25:32
embarrassed at the quality of those
25:33
pieces and so they decided that hey
25:36
let's shit can these real quick and then
25:38
we had two fuck-ups happen almost
25:40
simultaneously one was that the article
25:43
that announced that those pieces was
25:45
going to be removed has that infamous
25:46
paragraph in it where they kind of and I
25:50
don't I really should have looked before
25:51
I started talking about this but the
25:53
author of that piece whose name I don't
25:55
know at the moment that one paragraph
25:58
sounded like he was trying to distance
26:00
tech Raptor from any involvement in
26:02
gamergate that was in jarate
26:04
yeah that that and it's if you want to
26:07
read it that way you can definitely read
26:09
it as being a weasel worded condemnation
26:11
of us so that perked up a lot of ears
26:15
and I think got a lot of folks kind of
26:17
focused on our side toward this article
26:20
and what tech raptor was doing from the
26:22
get-go and then the other issue was that
26:25
they decided to just delete the articles
26:27
outright without just you know up
26:30
eating them or posting a not exactly a
26:32
retraction but you know some sort of
26:35
statement on the article this is an
26:36
older piece it's not up to our current
26:38
quality standards and archiving them or
26:40
something like that yeah they just kind
26:42
of opted to memory hold them instead
26:43
which is an understandable mistake to
26:46
make because Tec Raptor is not a
26:48
professional outlet still they're an
26:50
amateur outlet in the process of
26:52
transitioning to become a professional
26:54
outlet they're gonna fuck things up from
26:56
time to time but when you combine that
26:59
with the way it looked with that
27:01
paragraph that they wrote and the fact
27:02
that most of those early articles were
27:04
Gigi related yeah it looks pretty
27:06
fucking bad to say to say the least yeah
27:11
but at the same time you got to remember
27:14
that looks can be deceiving and at least
27:16
in my view and this is the view that
27:17
I've been trying to convince some other
27:18
people to when in doubt you give your a
27:23
lie is your you know at least friendly
27:26
neutrals because I don't think we could
27:27
call tech Raptor and unfriendly neutral
27:29
the benefit of the doubt when you have
27:32
at least a plausible explanation you
27:35
give them the benefit of assuming that
27:37
it's not the that it's not the malicious
27:40
intent right off the bat yeah this is
27:45
and is something that you know me as a
27:50
former contributor tactic Raptor I was
27:54
there for a couple of months a year ago
27:56
almost exactly it's something that's
28:00
been a little bit difficult for me to
28:03
process because it's it seems like the
28:07
whole situation got bungled in how they
28:10
handled it but at the same time knowing
28:13
these guys and having worked with him
28:16
fairly recently I
28:18
I can say that I don't think that there
28:20
was any sort of malicious intent I don't
28:23
think this was - not so much like kowtow
28:29
to the typical SJW crowd that was
28:32
crucifying them for being pro gamer gate
28:34
but rather a way to further legitimize
28:40
themself or themselves as
28:42
you know becoming esteemed curator was
28:45
was going to write a lot of don't go
28:48
ahead a lot of a lot of the things that
28:51
got hit were editorials
28:53
and in in their explanation they said
28:56
they want to focus more on on gaming
28:58
news and whatnot less on editorials and
29:01
also less on the the tech side which is
29:04
probably not going to do them too well
29:07
for the name tech Raptor right now what
29:10
what the hell can you do
29:11
yeah but you know maybe in a year we see
29:13
their spin-off become a game Raptor or
29:15
something along those lines you know
29:17
it's I I think I understand why they
29:20
might make the move and getting away
29:22
from tech and more into gaming because
29:24
to me it seems just logically that it's
29:27
probably a lot more work intensive and
29:30
money intensive to cover the tech
29:32
industry specifically this on a more
29:36
narrow corner of it like gaming that and
29:39
also if I remember correctly they only
29:41
had like one or two guys actively
29:44
publishing tech articles and most of the
29:47
time it was just news just repackaged
29:51
stuff it right we're very difficult
29:54
because you basically had to obtain it
29:56
on on your time and it wasn't worth it
30:00
either because those articles didn't get
30:03
a whole lot of attention tech Raptor
30:04
mostly got their traffic from gaming
30:08
related itself right and it's you know
30:10
you can say that tech rafter is not an
30:13
explicitly Pro GG site I think that's
30:15
true but at the same time we did provide
30:18
them with a good deal of backing you
30:20
know it was our campaign that got them
30:22
that they Kickstarter funding to go to
30:23
e3 for example you know we did a lot of
30:27
little things like that we promoted them
30:29
and some polls we backlink them a lot in
30:32
certain places when we did like link
30:34
bombings and just a lot of little things
30:36
like that to try and help boost their
30:38
exposure in the web as a whole because
30:40
you know a lot of the time any click
30:42
that they get it is when the Kotaku
30:43
doesn't truth and I I think I can
30:48
understand the move away from tech I'm
30:51
just imagine if you if you want to cover
30:54
the tech industry and be kind of the
30:56
first
30:56
one's to cover it on the bleeding edge
30:58
type of deal you're gonna have to have a
31:00
presence in the in the Hellmouth in San
31:04
Francisco that end a lot of capital yeah
31:07
you know if you want to go to these
31:09
trade shows yes you know it's not free
31:13
you know even if your admittance as free
31:15
as a journalistic outlet you got to go
31:17
down there you're paying the travel trip
31:19
you're paying room you're paying board
31:20
you're paying expenses and then you've
31:24
got the the issue with potential
31:26
corruption that comes in because if
31:28
you've got these companies who are
31:30
paying your way you know as we
31:32
discovered so commonly back at the
31:33
beginning of gamergate then you wind up
31:36
even with a subconscious bias not to
31:39
piss those people off less you end up
31:40
with a kind of a Jeff Gerstmann scenario
31:42
mm-hmm exactly
31:45
so I think that's probably a smarter
31:47
move for them to just stick to covering
31:49
gaming I mean God knows there's plenty
31:51
of audience out here from us who were
31:52
interested in honest gaming sites see
31:58
the thing with tech Raptor is David they
32:02
never outright claim to be pro gamer
32:05
like from the get-go but they hang and
32:08
just as a counterpoint to that though
32:10
we've never had an obligation in the
32:12
past that any of them had to to receive
32:14
our support exactly that's that is the
32:16
truth if if anyone would give gamergate
32:21
a fair shake period then naturally you
32:24
know they were they were going to get
32:25
more support from us because right let's
32:29
face it the other web sites didn't so of
32:31
course you know we sort of had a grudge
32:34
against them we would take neutrals of
32:36
as readily as we would take allies yeah
32:41
and that you know contrast that with the
32:45
other side who declaring yourself to be
32:47
neutral on the gamergate issue you might
32:49
as well you know thrown up the room in
32:51
the salute and shout at Sieg Heil to a
32:53
portrait of kick yeah I think so but I
32:57
think the whole tech Raptor is is Pro GG
33:00
thing still stems from that old fucking
33:03
medium article
33:05
that zoe quinn herself pin about how
33:08
after kissed up to gamergate there's a
33:11
whole section in there is talking about
33:14
ethics and games journalism and she just
33:16
blast tech raptor because oh they they
33:20
talked about me and they weren't
33:22
positive so fuck yeah they're pro gamer
33:24
game well if you remember back in 2014
33:27
and looking back on this and kind of a
33:29
big-picture strategic viewpoint the
33:32
articles and hit pieces and even shit
33:34
like medium blogs that zoe quinn did
33:36
were all ammunition that they could have
33:39
from the from the time of deployment to
33:42
reference back to mm-hmm I mean we
33:45
gamergate had the rare event of watching
33:48
saito genesis of false media in real
33:52
time happening right in front of us why
33:59
why didn't we come up with fake news
34:02
back then well I think even fake news in
34:07
the current day didn't really take off
34:08
until dr. president god-emperor the
34:11
United States of America Donald J
34:12
timetraveler Trump decided to decided to
34:16
make it a major issue using his social
34:18
media platform yeah I mean according to
34:21
my responses F will be back in the day
34:23
at our height gamergate numbered about
34:25
two hundred and fifty thousand people
34:27
across the world Jesus but Trump has one
34:30
point four million Twitter followers I
34:33
think there might even be more than that
34:35
and I think it's way I think it's
34:36
several million yeah I think I'm
34:38
misrepresenting that number real quick
34:40
I'm a little bit leery of using this
34:43
standalone version of Firefox too
34:45
heavily because uh forty two million
34:48
followers on Twitter oh hell just this
34:52
straight number can you hear me yeah I
34:56
can hear you uh hang on a second I just
34:59
lost my volume well shit
35:08
let's try that there you want to say
35:12
something real quick something real
35:14
quick
35:14
hey there we go okay much better yeah
35:17
case in point I don't want to push this
35:19
browser real hard uh see here at real
35:26
Donald Trump he is presently sitting at
35:31
yeah about 42 million yeah that's just
35:34
uh just uh ignore me I suck cocks type
35:39
of situation there
35:41
let's regard that I suck cocks there you
35:44
go that's what I was thinking of yeah so
35:47
he was able to put that out on blast and
35:49
the mean kind of stuck I don't think
35:50
even at our height we would have been
35:52
able to engage the mainstream media to
35:55
that level no you know it was no secret
35:58
even during the early days of gamergate
36:00
I was kind of I've always been rooting
36:02
for a sort of gamergate like campaign to
36:05
kick the MSM in the nuts and it it took
36:10
a crazy billionaire real estate mogul to
36:12
make it happen I don't it was really
36:15
living the weirdest timeline this
36:17
absolutely is and it just it blows my
36:21
mind how how people still are trying to
36:24
say that gamergate was the precursor to
36:26
all this gamergate effectively made the
36:30
Trump campaign what it was and got him
36:32
elected King or gate is in the White
36:35
House right now you know what though
36:37
fucking owned it why not if they have to
36:41
have a boogeyman why not let it be us I
36:44
mean that's that's why that's why I said
36:46
after after those first articles dropped
36:48
if if I was the head of K ia
36:51
and gamer Gates gotten to the fucking
36:56
White House and effectively became the
36:59
most powerful person in the world does
37:03
that make me the man who sold the world
37:04
I don't know I you know at that the very
37:10
beginning I was not firmly on the Trump
37:12
train I was one of the people who
37:15
believed back at the start the Trump was
37:18
in there because of his prior friendship
37:20
the Clintons especially back in the 90s
37:22
he was there to be a spanner in the
37:24
works that he was going to go for the
37:27
Republican nomination and then
37:28
intentionally fuck it all up to hand the
37:31
presidency to Hillary because Trump is
37:34
as a I love him as president now but as
37:36
a personal individual he's a sleazy son
37:40
of a bitch he always kind of has been
37:42
but he's a sleazy businessman son of a
37:45
bitch which if you're a if you're a
37:47
wealthy businessman trying to do
37:48
business in New York and you're not a
37:50
scumbag you're not gonna make it pretty
37:52
much yeah I originally voted for him on
37:55
the troll' ticket you know I I said to
37:57
myself the media hates this guy the
37:59
Republicans hates this guy the Democrats
38:02
hate this guy if he does all these
38:04
people that I hate if you made a laundry
38:06
list of every scum-sucking idiot from
38:09
the United Nations on down through the
38:11
American political establishment all of
38:15
them hated trunk and I said to myself
38:18
you know what if he wins and he
38:20
accomplishes nothing else but going in
38:23
and sitting in that chair for four years
38:25
and making all of those son of a bitches
38:27
mad as hell every day he was worth the
38:30
vote but after he actually got in you
38:35
know just his first month in office was
38:37
incredibly impressive and after he kept
38:40
taking the slings and arrows from the
38:42
media and kept kind of swinging back I
38:44
realized that you know this guy he is
38:47
kind of a mouth breathing demagogue but
38:48
goddamn it he's for real yeah I mean I I
38:55
certainly don't agree with him on on
38:57
everything I've certainly made my my
39:01
criticisms of him known on social media
39:04
and our politics podcast but yes I'll be
39:11
damned if he's if he's not if he's not
39:15
doing if not a a fine job a job
39:18
nonetheless even where he's failed he's
39:21
at least attempted which is more than he
39:23
prior administrations would have dared
39:25
to do yeah exactly and I do I really
39:28
also appreciate the fact that he's he's
39:31
trying to undo a lot of the
39:33
executive meddling that was was present
39:37
in the Obama administration basically
39:39
just sending it back to Congress and
39:41
saying okay now now we don't have to
39:45
worry about one person the fucking
39:48
around with all this we can we can let
39:49
the proper elected officials decide it
39:53
correct and if it gets bungled then you
39:55
can blame Congress for that and then
39:57
fuck them over and you don't have to
39:59
wait for years tailors or or eight years
40:03
that's right this is I've got you know
40:06
liberal friends and conservative friends
40:08
I'm pretty big in the gamer circles
40:10
around my hometown here and this is the
40:13
way that I took to describing my
40:16
thoughts on Trump to my liberal friends
40:18
I would say if you're you know your
40:22
country ideally should be more important
40:24
to you than your own life this is why
40:25
soldiers go to war and if your life is
40:29
important to you and you're going on
40:31
trial and the penalty for losing your
40:34
court case is that you're going to be
40:35
executed you have a choice of two
40:38
lawyers one of them is a shining golden
40:42
boy honest injun always tells the truth
40:46
does everything right proper and by the
40:48
books your other choice is a
40:52
scum-sucking sleazebag from the lowest
40:55
gutter of New York City who will lie who
40:58
will cheat who will steal who would sell
41:01
his own mother into sexual slavery if
41:04
that's what it took to win your case I
41:07
want the sleaze ball and I found that
41:12
when I just started describing him and
41:13
those kind of terms it it kind of turned
41:18
some light bulbs on you know it sort of
41:20
bashed its way through the the Nazi
41:23
deflector shield you know that they run
41:25
on their eyeball blinders these days and
41:27
I was actually able to have a cogent
41:28
conversation with them yeah I don't I
41:32
don't get that many feminine
41:34
conversations it see it seems like of
41:36
the people I know there are very very
41:40
few and by that I mean like maybe one or
41:43
two total that are
41:47
there are not either that are you know I
41:51
guess I could say ambivalent enough to
41:53
have a conversation that allows for
41:57
criticism of you know either either
42:00
candidate in last year's election
42:03
everyone else is either a hundred
42:06
percent Trump is evil Hillary should
42:08
have been president or a hundred percent
42:10
Trump Escada Emperor Mago yeah I enjoy
42:19
the God Emperor means I like them mostly
42:21
because of how much they piss off
42:22
liberals I I will I will say I do
42:27
I do enjoy enjoyed the memes I do enjoy
42:30
the god Emperor the can I still say rare
42:34
peppe's is that is that even a thing
42:36
anymore yeah I'm pretty sure it's still
42:39
a thing the are they still rare that's
42:41
the thing oh god I am so looking forward
42:43
to this rollout of Twitter's new
42:45
censorship horseshit for hey holy hell
42:48
I've got a $500 bet writing that they
42:51
put Vivian on the list oh my fucking god
42:55
if they do well you know Pepe's on it
43:00
because you know Empress Hillary told
43:02
them source year ago said cart like a
43:05
cartoon frog they just yeah and you know
43:09
they've got to be taking input on this
43:10
from the glorious Twitter trust and
43:12
Safety Council which we all know who the
43:14
fuck is sitting on that so I will bet
43:17
you dollars to dragon dildos that we
43:19
wind up with live on that list what will
43:21
be hilarious is to see if everybody's if
43:24
everybody switches to Gilda just to
43:26
troll them or um oh god what was what
43:35
was the the color swap to one Oh Lillian
43:38
woods yes there's some really good porn
43:41
of her out there I just want to point
43:43
that out
43:48
good you say I hear I hear a siren in
43:50
the background you must be getting
43:51
swatted right now yep I just got a UH I
43:54
just got text from my dad if there was a
43:57
bad wreck on my Road uh he's an EMT so
44:01
that's he's always like I just want to
44:04
make sure I'm not you know responding to
44:07
a call that involves you being dead
44:10
that's always a nice phone call to get
44:13
yeah well yeah you know hey Dad sorry
44:17
but I kind of died in this in this car
44:19
accident if you if you get my computer
44:23
just delete my internet history please
44:26
don't don't don't share it with the
44:28
coroner as we see a few days later
44:34
somebody's got you like national news we
44:37
see the the Gilberry search history of
44:40
the hat man that that one open tab in
44:44
the browser now one open tab is the hell
44:48
was that was that I can Wald oh yeah the
44:51
guy who was showing it was a tentacle
44:54
calling to his kids uh I was my kids
45:00
were showing me how to find tentacle
45:02
portlets no it was he was showing his
45:04
kids to prove they to prove that it
45:06
exists oh my fucking god yeah I think
45:08
that was it I don't remember what the
45:10
hell it was all it knows that involved
45:12
tentacle porn and children and it
45:13
reminded me of that that one part of
45:17
whose line is it anyway I think it was a
45:20
deleted scene where Colin Mochrie goes
45:21
we're watching animal porn so yeah we've
45:32
got if you want to take a quick recap
45:35
there's a running thread over on
45:36
gamergate HQ kind of the current status
45:39
of our old rogues gallery in the media
45:41
we got all these outed as sex pests
45:45
there's a threat running for that and of
45:48
course we've got three X bigwigs of GG
45:50
revolt are all in jail at the moment
45:53
three of them yeah new Ralf in Seattle
45:57
but who's the other one
45:58
endomorph asus is currently serving a
46:01
prison sentence
46:01
hey Zoran AIDS both for their revenge
46:05
porn law and for running from his first
46:08
jail appointment and having to get
46:09
caught that's right I totally forgot
46:13
about them
46:13
yeah they finally caught his ass a month
46:16
or two ago holy shit yeah I don't know
46:20
what kind of railroading he's gonna get
46:22
for skipping out on his court date but
46:23
hopefully he's spending some comfortable
46:25
bunk time with Bubba well I guess we can
46:28
say that operation killed the hat man
46:30
has officially been cancelled involved I
46:34
pretty much everyone in GG revolt was
46:37
involved that was holy oh my god that
46:44
was um that was fun I still I still
46:48
think it was that there was some sort of
46:50
coordination between the hat man was to
46:55
remove all sjw content from ki a post on
47:00
on ki hey of course and that the fact
47:04
that that was the day that I went on
47:06
fucking vacation like there's no way
47:08
that that wasn't coordinated did you
47:12
ever announce any where you were going
47:13
on vacation I did I did on twitter and i
47:18
think that i think the the tweet in
47:20
question was like a month or two old at
47:22
the time and it just got dredged up and
47:26
like right things with her mo yeah that
47:30
that whole arrangement was a fucking
47:32
shit show and my god the fucking the
47:35
layers of tin foil they put on
47:37
everything
47:37
I liked addition to this day when I get
47:40
into the occasional argument with one of
47:42
their ex idiots
47:43
I'll get accused of the same exact thing
47:45
trying to censor SJW content on
47:48
gamergate HQ they had a fucking sticky
47:52
thread at the top of the board that they
47:55
could discuss all they wanted in that
47:57
and for a time we even did cyclical
48:00
threads it's like it's literally right
48:03
there you can go to the board and click
48:05
on it right now and talk about anything
48:07
SJW related you want or if it's an
48:10
industry-related sjw problem and you
48:13
want to do an operation or a dig on it
48:15
you can make
48:15
thread right on the fucking board but
48:20
that wasn't the point the point wasn't
48:22
that wasn't that compromise wasn't good
48:25
enough it was something they could fit
48:26
in a bumper sticker soundbite and uses
48:28
ammunition to attack the board with
48:33
pretty much so from the chat if I get
48:38
killed by a Russian hitman who's going
48:40
to avenge me I don't I don't think
48:45
anyone is going to give enough of a fuck
48:47
to avenge me I think I think someone
48:50
will will probably take up the mantle of
48:52
the hat three and and that will be that
48:55
will be as much as as is done oh god I
48:58
got a point from the chat here - what is
49:00
GG revolt know my fucking god okay
49:05
ladies and gentlemen smoke if you got
49:07
them and buckle the fuck up I'm gonna
49:09
need the liquor for this one my rate of
49:13
monster juice consumption as it has
49:15
exceeded my rate of monster juice
49:16
acquisition all right so let's open this
49:22
can of worms real quick you're gonna
49:24
have to forgive me a little bit because
49:25
I may get a couple things out of order
49:27
it's been a long fucking time and a lot
49:29
of stuff happened so let's rewind this
49:33
to about 2015 it's not real commonly
49:37
known outside of 8chan how the fucking
49:40
how gamergate HQ wound up becoming the
49:43
main board as far as gamergate
49:46
discussion went to make a very long
49:47
story very short the previous two
49:52
gamergate boards both had a problem or
49:55
the owner of the board was involved
49:57
heavily in social media and kind of got
49:59
mixed in with basically trolls to give
50:03
you a good example for those who
50:04
remember who pterodax is hi yes he got
50:07
in cozy with Niko of death who was the
50:10
original board owner of the /gg board
50:12
that was the original board that V set
50:16
up when we first moved to hm and that
50:20
the idea was that V would be the main
50:23
discussion hub at the time that's where
50:24
all the detailed planning and stuff
50:26
would go but then we had this large
50:28
public
50:29
that was open to everybody and that was
50:31
it was designed to kind of serve as a
50:33
shill and troll magnet because it was
50:35
right there a parent on the top bar so
50:37
if you came to 8chan looking to fuck
50:39
around with gamergate there's the
50:42
gamergate board right there at the top
50:43
of the site that'll be the first place
50:44
that you'd click and so things went on
50:48
pretty well for quite a while but then
50:50
Nico got kind of close with pterodax and
50:53
he started fooling around with these
50:54
trolls on Twitter and other social media
50:56
sites IRC especially and it wound up
51:00
where I don't remember what started the
51:02
drama but something he was in some kind
51:04
of a slap fight with a big chunk of the
51:06
community on the board for a while and
51:08
he made this stupid joke that he was
51:09
going to turn over a mod position on the
51:13
board to pterodax
51:14
and people lost their shit and a mass
51:20
migration started basically it came up
51:22
the decision was made that the board
51:24
owner was no longer trustworthy because
51:25
this was you know this was still in the
51:28
beginnings of 2015 late 2014 shit was
51:31
pretty sensitive back then the war was
51:33
still at its peak we were still getting
51:34
happening as every fucking day we
51:37
couldn't afford to be risking shit
51:38
getting screwed around so there was a
51:40
mass migration from Jiji to the slash
51:44
gamergate board and at the time I
51:48
actually was mistaken the person who set
51:50
up the board as far as I had known had
51:52
been dry bones and so I had operated for
51:57
a long time under the assumption that
51:58
dry bones was actually the owner of the
52:00
board in reality ownership of the board
52:02
had transferred to a guy named blade and
52:05
things went on for a while and were
52:07
pretty good and then I noticed that a
52:10
pattern was kind of emerging where blade
52:12
was falling in on Twitter with some of
52:14
these same trolls some of the same guys
52:17
in the IRC pterodax was back in there
52:20
and then this group of trolls that Ted
52:22
popped up on Twitter kind of nominally
52:25
Pro GG at first to call themselves a a
52:27
team or at least other people know them
52:29
that it's kind of disputable depending
52:31
on who you're talking to anyway I was
52:36
watching dry bones at the time and he'd
52:38
been going through some drama and some
52:40
kind of minor personal issues
52:42
and he was starting the sour on the
52:45
community on the boards a little bit and
52:47
I was watching him and I kind of had
52:48
this thoughts like you know these guys
52:51
are all sort of in this in this big
52:53
social circle together and this is the
52:56
same kind of thing that happened with
52:57
Nikko so if dry bones is about to burn
53:00
out and it kind of looked like he might
53:02
have been what the hell is gonna happen
53:04
to the board this time so I've always
53:08
been a little bit of the industrious
53:10
side I guess god help me so I said fuck
53:13
it I'm gonna go make a backup board on
53:15
8th Jan just in case dry bones loses his
53:18
shit and so I created gamergate HQ I
53:20
left it as an unlisted board I set up
53:24
some basic you know little shit I
53:26
created some moderator accounts in case
53:28
it would ever be needed and I just I
53:30
never figured on using it it's like I'm
53:32
gonna create this as a just in case and
53:34
it's just gonna chill here and if shit
53:37
somehow hits the fan at least we have a
53:38
fallback I've always been a little bit
53:41
of a commando so kind of be prepared
53:42
it's just that's something that's sort
53:45
of in my blood I guess anyway two
53:48
fucking days later I get home from work
53:51
and I check in on the V threats and
53:53
8chan is in an uproar because not dry
53:56
bones who I thought was the owner of the
53:58
board but blade who actually was had
54:01
flipped his shit and had turned the keys
54:05
to the board over to some trolls from a
54:07
team who had trashed the place
54:08
utterly in fact I still have screen caps
54:10
so what the board looked like in the
54:11
aftermath and V was already at work they
54:15
had poles running and shit trying to
54:17
figure out who the next board was going
54:18
to be anyway to prune things down a
54:22
little bit simpler up so I don't get
54:23
lost in the exposition here I threw my
54:28
running in the I threw my hat into the
54:30
running and when I did that the choice
54:33
was coming down in between the GG board
54:36
the original board supposedly under new
54:38
ownership and gamergate HQ because I was
54:41
a fairly known quantity on a chance V
54:43
board it's like a you know self-admitted
54:46
I'm a little bit of a spurt but I'm a
54:47
responsible sperg and so at least people
54:50
knew me they figured I wouldn't be
54:52
burning the fucking place down any time
54:54
soon if I got ownership
54:56
so we wound up with this weird split
54:59
where Gigi took about 50% of the people
55:02
who were migrating from the old board
55:04
and we got about the other 50% and my
55:07
whole shtick was the main thing that I
55:10
always hated in terms of the gamergate
55:12
boards was the drama and the infighting
55:15
and basically the rules on the board
55:20
were tailored so that everybody was
55:22
allowed to contribute from ki a to
55:24
fuckin pol the most hardcore on any side
55:27
you wanted to go the worst SJW haters
55:30
the most hardcore people pushing for the
55:32
ethics front type stuff but they weren't
55:35
allowed to shit on each other on the
55:37
board it was the rule of the day was
55:39
kind of when you guys come here set your
55:41
differences aside do whatever it is you
55:43
came to do and then when you head back
55:45
on into end of your own spaces if you
55:46
want to bitch at each other from there
55:48
no problem and that was kind of the rule
55:53
system that we set up it was it was
55:55
actually it was kind of made more
55:58
four-pole in all honesty because the
56:00
moderation staff of the gamergate board
56:03
the / gamergate had you know i'd been
56:06
over there and i'd posted numerous times
56:08
anonymously and i had watched a lot of
56:10
people from pole trying to contribute
56:12
stuff and getting shat on like the whole
56:15
you know the go back to pole memes type
56:17
of deal well i'm i don't call myself
56:20
explicitly right-wing but i am a little
56:22
bit of a pole AK I'm kind of a
56:24
right-leaning militant centrist
56:26
and they I just never liked the way that
56:29
they got treated and I never liked the
56:30
fact that the mods allowed them to be
56:32
treated that way if I got treated that
56:35
way I'd have a pretty short temper about
56:37
and eventually I'd fuck off and just
56:38
quit contributing and I think that's
56:40
what happened to a lot of them so the
56:43
rules on my board were tailored to not
56:45
let that happen anymore that was the
56:47
original rule 3 I believe was no
56:49
infighting and then of course we had the
56:52
usual you know the the word filters to
56:54
prevent direct linking from ship sites
56:55
like Kotaku and things like that well
56:59
the guys who didn't want to have a
57:01
heavily moderated board and who just
57:03
kind of wanted to be able to do whatever
57:05
sort of a the way I used to describe it
57:07
was they wanted be but gamergate
57:10
they went to Gigi because that was the
57:12
kind of moderation that was being
57:13
promised there and things were split for
57:16
a little while I want to say probably
57:19
like three weeks something like that
57:21
maybe less but a leak came out from
57:25
meowstic who you'll probably remember
57:27
from ki a yep yep from I believe it was
57:31
a team's private chat where they were
57:34
describing how they had they had gotten
57:36
ahold of the G G board and were actually
57:38
the ones who owned it and their plan was
57:40
that they were gonna let everybody
57:41
rebuild on gg and then trash it again to
57:45
kind of yank the rug out from under us
57:46
for a leg troll so that put the final
57:50
nail in that coffin and the refugees
57:52
leaving GG came over to our board and
57:55
things were alright it was a little bit
57:58
tense at first they there were some
58:03
complaints about the rules that were
58:04
existent I pointed out to the community
58:07
it's like look if you guys want the
58:08
rules change you're free to petition
58:10
that but in the time that you've been
58:11
over there we've been wrestling with
58:14
this shit we've taken votes on the rules
58:16
that we wanted if you guys wanted to
58:17
participate this was it this would be
58:21
the you're a little late to the party
58:24
it's basically what I was saying like
58:26
you guys get to have input on changes
58:28
but we're not gonna rewrite the whole
58:29
rules list just to suit you yeah and
58:32
that caused a little bit of drama but
58:34
things settled in for a while I took a
58:36
community satisfaction poll after the
58:38
first month or so and the vast vast
58:41
majority was at least positive about the
58:43
board so thanks for going pretty good
58:46
well then we come along let's see there
58:51
were two major issues I think that
58:53
caused the split the first one was the
58:56
the probably the biggest of the two
58:58
which is the great gamer gaming site
59:01
game developer boycott debacle and
59:05
basically we had this operation that had
59:08
been long-running in GG called Operation
59:10
rebuild and the point of rebuild was to
59:12
reach out to friendly outlets and
59:14
directly to developers to try and build
59:17
a bridge between the gaming communities
59:19
and the developer communities that would
59:21
bypass the shit
59:22
Media entirely well at the same time we
59:26
would prop up and boost you know good
59:28
kind of pro gamer outlets like like tech
59:31
Raptor like a niche gamer I think it was
59:35
Jenny barage was pushing one for a while
59:37
called basedgamer I'm not entirely sure
59:39
what ever happened with that one but it
59:41
was that was kind of the long-term
59:43
operation that we'd come up with and
59:47
that generated a lot of heat because at
59:52
the same time we had this major push
59:54
coming from certain sides of the
59:56
community that wanted to boycott sort of
59:58
SJW tainted game developers and there
60:02
was a good argument there on both sides
60:04
of it but the issue was that op rebuild
60:06
was longer running it was meant to be a
60:08
very long term kind of industry
60:11
improvement plan and frankly it had come
60:14
along first and kind of made its place
60:15
on the board already having an operation
60:18
that was Pro developer on one hand but
60:22
also boycotting and punishing developers
60:25
on the other being run out of the same
60:27
board the same hub site it's it's a
60:30
pretty big conflict I think and I think
60:36
I put my dog here for saying go lay down
60:42
basically the two operations conflicted
60:45
with one another
60:46
I wasn't immediately opposed to the
60:48
boycott idea in fact there's a couple of
60:49
companies that I boycott Capcom being a
60:51
good but you can't you can't give with
60:56
one hand while beating with the stick
60:58
with the other hand and expect either
61:00
side to take you seriously there was
61:03
also a lot of resentment in the
61:05
community to the boycotting idea it had
61:07
come up for a vote several times on GGN
61:09
gamergate every time it had been shot
61:11
down so we tried to do all this what we
61:14
thought was a decent compromise at the
61:16
time which was if you guys want to
61:17
discuss boycotts on the board you can't
61:20
but you can discuss merits for against
61:24
philosophical positions and things like
61:26
that but actually organizing a boycott
61:29
against a specific developer needs to go
61:32
over to the v boards the video games for
61:34
it instead and not use the gamer
61:36
hashtag and the reason why we split it
61:39
up that way was so that if the community
61:41
opinion should change we didn't want
61:45
people to not be able to argue the
61:47
position for boycotts
61:48
but until community consensus changed be
61:52
pro boycott we weren't gonna let people
61:54
actually organize it you know if they
61:56
had you know three months or six months
61:58
or a year or whatever and the opinion of
62:00
the board had slowly changed to say okay
62:02
operation rebuild is clearly not going
62:04
to work in the long term we would be
62:07
better off boycotting unfriendly game
62:10
developers and outlets instead if that
62:12
became the majority opinion we could
62:13
have changed the rules to reflect that
62:15
but then in the meantime if you wanted
62:18
to run a boycott right to eff now you
62:20
could go over to V and organize it their
62:22
boycotts were welcomed on V they always
62:23
were or somebody I think it was uh I
62:28
think it was that faggot Wulfgar he
62:31
created I think it was him they created
62:34
a gamergate boycotts or GG boycotts
62:37
board that we directed traffic to for a
62:40
little bit until somebody pointed out
62:42
that it might be some kind of a shill
62:43
board at which point we just directed it
62:45
over to V I thought the whole situation
62:48
was a fairly decent compromise on the
62:50
matter but there were some very loud
62:52
minority factions on the board were not
62:55
pleased with it at all and there was a
62:56
lot of drama that started up over that
62:58
and to the point that I want to say it
63:05
went on for probably about a month like
63:07
that and we had this big issue come up
63:10
on the board we were getting these
63:12
visits kind of you could actually see it
63:16
in the moderator panel when you're in
63:18
the admin panel on an H hand board
63:19
there's an option where you can see the
63:21
most recent posts and you get an idea
63:24
after looking at that for a while what
63:25
your normal posting patterns on the
63:27
board looked like you know regular
63:29
people show up most of the users on the
63:31
board had post histories going back for
63:33
months for instance and we would get
63:38
these visits you have a bunch of people
63:40
all show up at the same time within two
63:42
or three minutes of each other like a
63:44
cluster of about a dozen of them and if
63:46
you check their IP hashes none of them
63:48
had ever posted on the
63:49
word before and they would all show up
63:52
and they would push some idea like well
63:55
great example we should boycott game
63:57
developers and they do this for a couple
64:00
of hours across multiple threads bumping
64:04
multiple threads sometimes showing up in
64:07
you know getting moderated because they
64:09
push things a little too hard and then
64:11
they'd all disappear around the same
64:13
time then a couple of minutes of each
64:14
other that all just go poof after about
64:16
two hours of hitting the board and you'd
64:19
never see him again those same IP hashes
64:21
would never appear again until about a
64:23
week later it was usually on a Friday or
64:25
a Saturday a new group about the same
64:28
size doing about the same thing which
64:30
show up again and they do it for about
64:32
the same amount of time and then poof
64:34
they'd all vanish again so we got this
64:37
idea we took to calling these shill
64:39
storms kind of a play on words for
64:41
shitstorm it was it had every earmark of
64:45
a group coming onto the board who had
64:47
sort of coordinated elsewhere it'd be
64:49
like if you or I had a whole bunch of
64:51
close friends on Twitter and we wanted
64:52
to go breed a thread you know it was
64:55
that type of a deal mm-hmm
64:57
and so we started paying more attention
64:59
to these and we started getting a lot of
65:01
them suddenly that we're pushing for
65:02
gamergate boycott developers and it
65:06
actually got so bad that at one point I
65:08
had something like a dozen threads in
65:10
the catalog that were locked because at
65:12
that time the way we were enforcing the
65:14
rules was we weren't just outright
65:16
deleting the threads that were causing
65:17
problems we'd lock them usually with a
65:19
statement from the mods and so I had
65:23
like a dozen threads locked in the
65:25
catalog and somebody else finally posted
65:28
another one and I just got pissed off at
65:30
the whole thing it's like I can't sit
65:32
here all fucking day babysitting this
65:34
especially when we've laid it out on the
65:36
rules we've explained why we're doing it
65:38
this way a dozen times and it's clearly
65:40
not the majority of the board who's
65:42
doing it because all of these posts are
65:44
being made by these fucking little
65:45
visitors coming in so I remember I
65:48
posted a final response in the bottom of
65:50
the most current thread and then I
65:52
locked that thread and then I sticky did
65:54
it and then I started handing out bands
65:56
to all the IEP hashes that were pushing
65:58
it and there's probably about ten of
66:00
them I think
66:01
and I don't remember if it was permit or
66:04
I did like a three-day or what the
66:05
dealio was been a long time anyway
66:09
within about an hour of that the board
66:11
fucking blew up with spam fresh IP
66:14
addresses on every post there was some
66:16
janitor you know he does it for free
66:18
type copypasta being pushed out on their
66:22
usual tactics but the fact that it was
66:25
coming from fresh IPS on every post was
66:28
what was telling us that it wasn't the
66:29
normal community members who were there
66:31
who were pissed at us over this like we
66:34
took plenty of complaints from like what
66:36
I would call actual Anton's who were
66:38
posting on the boards like you look at
66:39
him okay they've you know here's his
66:41
post history he's contributed a few
66:42
things across a couple of threads he is
66:44
making a valid criticism and not just
66:47
reading into the dark let's listen to
66:50
him we did that a lot but these guys
66:52
were in here just kind of causing a
66:54
shitstorm so we fought back the spam for
66:57
a while and this went on for like three
66:59
solid hours as the moderators and I
67:02
playing whack-a-mole with spammers and
67:05
finally this stream request pops up from
67:09
a guy named Ray ziyal who is acquainted
67:11
with Gaytan Satan who you may remember
67:13
used to do a lot of gamers in streams
67:14
and they were gonna do a stream about
67:17
the boycott issue and so this stream
67:21
pops up and everybody Tunes in to watch
67:24
it they were actually trying to get me
67:25
to come on it but I had a very strict no
67:27
stream no IRC policy back then the whole
67:30
point of that was to guarantee that I
67:32
would not fall to the same type of
67:33
cancer that had wrecked the prior two
67:35
boards that was kind of my that was my
67:37
promise to them that I wasn't in this
67:39
for my ego and so we have this talk and
67:45
they're trying to push for boycotts on
67:46
this stream a lot of people were against
67:48
it and finally it comes down that they
67:51
want to do a it was boycotting
67:53
pre-orders of games for the holiday
67:55
season I think was the final idea that
67:57
they put out and quite a few times yeah
68:00
quite a few people were actually on
68:01
board with that when hell I was one of
68:02
them one thing that I did is I spoke
68:06
with gate and Satan privately on Twitter
68:09
and I told him it's like you've got to
68:11
stop calling this a boycott it's like if
68:14
we want to do in a
68:15
awareness campaign excuse of shitty
68:18
industry practices that's one thing but
68:23
if you call it a boycott you're gonna
68:25
turn off the entire anti developer
68:27
boycott faction of gamergate which at
68:30
the time was the majority if you just
68:33
change up how you're describing it a
68:34
little bit but push the same essential
68:36
idea I think this can really take off I
68:38
actually offered to sticky him a thread
68:40
on gamergate HQ promoting it but they
68:44
were not interested they insisted that
68:46
it be called a preorder boycott and
68:48
after going back and forth with him
68:50
probably for 45 minutes or an hour I
68:52
finally threw my hands up just walked
68:54
away from it but something stuck out
68:57
about the whole thing that as soon as
69:00
there seemed to be a kind of tacit
69:01
agreement with Satan that the developer
69:05
boiler that the nut developer preorder
69:06
boycott thing might go forward suddenly
69:09
the spam all stopped and the little
69:13
visitor accounts all disappeared and the
69:15
janitor copypastas stopped we hadn't
69:18
changed anything on the rules we hadn't
69:19
unlocked any of the threads but it was
69:22
like as soon as Satan had something that
69:24
he wanted the whole thing just went away
69:27
and that kind of set off a red flag in
69:31
the back of my mind it's like that's the
69:33
timing was way too much of a coincidence
69:34
I'm not like super paranoid I do believe
69:37
that coincidences exist but this
69:39
repeated pattern that I had of these
69:42
people showing up combined with the
69:45
timing of this stream and the whole
69:47
boycott issue and just how seriously
69:49
they were you know they almost took it
69:51
personally that gamergate wasn't
69:53
interested in pushing developer boycotts
69:55
at that time that kind of set off a red
69:58
flag and I started to get this suspicion
70:00
in the back of my head as to just whom
70:02
it might have been it was paying visits
70:04
to our board to push this shit in groups
70:08
well anyway the as far as I remember the
70:11
preorder boycott thing never really
70:13
amounted to anything they insisted on
70:15
continuing to call it a boycott a bunch
70:17
of people were turned off on it the
70:19
sticky threat that I offered on G GHQ
70:22
never really materialized because they
70:23
never really made a threat for it and I
70:26
vaguely recall like at least some
70:28
people word is to outright shouting him
70:30
down like it was a they were trying to
70:31
get the camels nose under the tent as
70:33
far as pushing developer boycotts later
70:36
so that kind of fizzled out and then we
70:41
had the continuing issue for about the
70:45
next three months over the Christmas
70:47
season of constant complaints about the
70:50
board rules there was a very loud very
70:53
vociferous minority on the board who
70:56
were extremely agitated about any
70:59
enforcement of the rules he got to the
71:01
point we could spot these what we were
71:03
calling shill storms coming in pretty
71:05
quickly and it actually as you'll
71:09
probably recall remember I used to give
71:11
you a heads up on those yeah I do you
71:14
remember that yeah we would get hit and
71:17
we could watch the thing go down in real
71:20
time and I would shoot you at DM and a
71:22
couple hours later when they got done
71:24
bombarding us they were over on ki a
71:26
hitting you guys yep that's when this
71:29
one I started making a list of people
71:33
for the UH I think I think we called
71:36
them the the Cabal and I think that's
71:38
that was their actual name yeah I
71:42
actually spoke I had a private
71:43
conversation with Satan a long time
71:46
after that where he broke down what the
71:48
whole thing was and yeah that cabal
71:50
quote-unquote was the word that they
71:51
used to describe themselves that's kind
71:53
of kind of ironic cuz that's what that's
71:55
what we use for them but yes that's when
71:57
I started making notes of but who was
72:00
who to say once I figure out why this is
72:06
happening my audio is like randomly
72:08
muting itself for some reason there we
72:10
go
72:11
might be a glitch in this Firefox
72:13
browser so we went through the Christmas
72:17
season with these increasingly loud
72:19
calls to relax the rules on the board
72:21
and a lot of them not all there were a
72:26
few honest like actual and on users who
72:29
were regular users there who took some
72:31
issue with the way we were enforcing
72:32
things but probably 70 or 80 percent of
72:35
the complaints that we got were coming
72:37
from these no post history nobody
72:40
mystery anton's coming on
72:42
the board come in post once maybe twice
72:44
disappear never to be seen again so we
72:48
took to ignoring that at first and then
72:50
as it started to get worse we begin
72:52
banning them we didn't know exactly who
72:55
it was or exactly why they were doing
72:56
what they were doing but it was pretty
72:57
clear that they in the bar the southern
73:00
vernacular they weren't from around
73:02
these parts
73:03
and so we started banning I'm like we
73:06
would any other shill or troll that was
73:08
coming onto the board and a lot of the
73:09
time to kind of a swayed the community
73:11
for they know we're not actually banning
73:13
people just for dissenting opinions we
73:15
would go in and screencap their post
73:17
history and post it like here is
73:19
everything this person has ever posted
73:21
on our board and it's three posts one of
73:24
them is yelling at the mods and calling
73:26
us Kooks and two of them are demanding
73:28
that the rules be relaxed not exactly
73:32
your your model image board citizens so
73:35
after a while we just kind of wrote them
73:36
all off his trolls and started you know
73:38
it slapped their post history up there
73:40
and then we banned the shit out of them
73:42
but at the same time they were causing
73:45
enough of a stir that we started to get
73:47
actual calls for relaxing the moderation
73:49
on the board they were the campaign was
73:52
having some success at convincing people
73:54
and so we began to do that we at first
73:58
we went from deleting certain topics and
74:01
threads that were obviously trolls to
74:02
just locking them and we went from
74:04
locking them to just saging them or saw
74:07
gay as the proper term is basically bump
74:09
locking them and then after a while it
74:12
was to the point we really weren't doing
74:14
anything at all and the whole board had
74:16
kind of gone to pot so this was sort of
74:21
the status quo I want to say in about
74:23
February when I had a conversation with
74:26
Hot Wheels 8chan admin on Twitter we'd
74:29
noticed that the UID is our user count
74:31
on the board had been dropping for a
74:33
while and I was under the impression
74:35
that 8chan was still tabulating its UID
74:38
counts for the board based on active
74:40
posts which is how it was originally
74:42
back before some of the software updates
74:44
and so some of the oldest which were
74:46
also the biggest threats on the board
74:48
were falling off the last page I figure
74:51
well here's this 800 post thread full of
74:54
all these UID is that my
74:55
not have posted you know much since then
74:58
or they might have only been here in the
74:59
beginning or changed IPs or something
75:01
like that that drops off and we lose
75:02
some you IDs no big deal well hot wheels
75:06
corrected me on that he informed me that
75:08
no it was actually the UID count was
75:11
tabulating data based on current active
75:13
posts from only that's the most recent
75:15
three days I think it was meaning that
75:18
we were actually hemorrhaging users at a
75:20
ridiculous rate I did a little bit of
75:22
math and we were losing like 350 people
75:24
a month which that was an honest to god
75:27
oh shit moment for me so I sat down with
75:31
the moderators and we had this big
75:33
roundtable meeting we went over every
75:34
possible thing that we could think of
75:37
that might be causing people to leave
75:38
the board and yeah I was in the running
75:41
for that it's like maybe acid man fucked
75:43
up massively
75:44
but the more we looked at it and the
75:46
more we looked at it and we looked at
75:47
some of the complaints that we'd
75:49
received and who we'd received them from
75:51
it didn't seem like the regular users on
75:54
the board really had any problem with us
75:56
they were just kind of drifting away and
75:59
so finally I made a unilateral decision
76:02
one of the few that I made without
76:04
taking the you know Oprah open
76:06
consultation with the moderators I said
76:08
we're gonna clean the place up the board
76:11
looks like ass we've got off-topic
76:13
threads you know Twitter drama and just
76:16
bullshit everywhere gamergate operations
76:19
and digs that we try to run get buried
76:21
off the first page within an hour people
76:24
are missing them they're not posting in
76:25
them we don't have the boycott of the
76:26
day thing anymore we need to clean the
76:28
place the fuck up and maybe if the board
76:31
looks nice and is running well and it's
76:33
not full of shills and assholes being
76:35
dicks to each other maybe folks will
76:37
want to come back and so we said to hell
76:41
with it and that was where I came up
76:42
with the idea for the quote-unquote
76:44
purge and that was kind of an
76:48
interesting show a lot of people don't
76:50
know this but I actually had hotwheels
76:51
himself as the admin in the chat with us
76:54
watching us pull this whole thing off
76:56
because I'm there there's a clause and
76:58
the board ownership for hm that if you
77:01
intentionally damaged or destroyed or
77:04
fucked up your board in some malicious
77:06
way that the administrator could take
77:07
your board from
77:08
so I wanted to make sure that we did
77:10
everything kind of on the kosher and I
77:12
actually invited hot wheels to come in
77:13
and watch us while we planned and did
77:15
this oh I see what's happening with that
77:19
microphone
77:23
haha problem solved
77:26
can you hear me yeah yeah you're fine
77:30
okay there we go
77:31
this thing has one of those little uh
77:33
little mute unmute buttons built-in to
77:36
the court I've been bumping it with my
77:37
elbow without realizing it ah I see no
77:40
but you've been able to speak to
77:42
de-spawn the whole time
77:43
okay good so anyway we carried out the
77:47
purge which I made this great big deal
77:49
out of it I even made this sort of meta
77:51
mega thread with it was was a sabatons
77:55
nuclear attack with with the
77:58
accompanying footage of b-29 is dropping
78:01
atomic bombs the actual reality of what
78:05
we did was we deleted about six pages
78:07
worth of just crap threads from the
78:09
catalog and then anybody who popped up
78:13
with these the no post history janitor
78:16
copypasta fucking spam and issues or who
78:20
like tried to start a drama storm about
78:22
it just got the fucking band hammer we
78:25
didn't give him any quarter on this one
78:27
it's like if you're not here to do
78:29
anything but complain about what the
78:31
fuck we do then you don't need to be
78:32
here and I think we banned a total of
78:35
maybe 25 or 30 people by the time it was
78:37
said and done but at the end of it the
78:41
board did look really good and we got
78:43
rid of quite a few problem users and the
78:45
reason why I did it in such a dramatic
78:46
way was I wanted this sort of hard
78:48
stopping point that I could point back
78:50
to in the board's history it's people
78:54
were used to rules lawyering with us hmm
78:56
and I think you'll know what I mean by
78:58
that absolutely that's why when we have
79:01
whenever we ever whenever we ever my god
79:03
when we did rule changes I would always
79:07
make a conscious effort to to try and
79:10
make them this watertight as possible
79:12
right I did not want any rule
79:15
slaughtering but that ended up
79:16
backfiring on me because then some of
79:19
those fucking people just went to
79:20
outright lying about how we
79:22
we're enforcing the rules so and that's
79:24
also exactly what happened to us it was
79:26
so bad that the post purge rules list I
79:29
had to add a rule to make lying about
79:32
the board its rules and policies of
79:33
animal offense that's I think that's
79:36
what we did too so we carried this whole
79:41
thing out and it actually did stem the
79:44
user bleed we went down from I remember
79:47
how many you IEDs we had at that point I
79:49
want to say it was in the mid 900 range
79:51
and the numbers kept ticking down but we
79:54
went from 370 be something a month to
79:57
like 20 people and that was something I
80:00
could easily chalk up to just regular
80:02
old-fashioned lack of interest and so in
80:06
my opinion we probably done the right
80:08
thing but during the purge we had this
80:13
faction split off from the main board
80:15
who went running over to poll and as we
80:19
found out later this was the same
80:20
faction that you guys had tangled with
80:22
it you know some familiar names in their
80:25
mail goddess Swami Wolf Garvey helter
80:31
feed Rijn I don't know if QQ was
80:35
involved at the time and he's probably
80:36
lurking around there somewhere like a
80:37
bad smell these were the anonymous
80:41
posters who were over here in this pole
80:43
threat getting the place set up and they
80:46
picked the name which was GG revolt and
80:48
they went through this big long song and
80:50
dance about how they were gonna have a
80:52
true Anonymous board owner instead of
80:55
the evil named fag from V acid man all
80:57
this others needed so they went and they
81:00
made their board they thought they went
81:03
and they offered it to seed Rijn who was
81:05
the leader of the IRC group at the time
81:07
who declined it and it we came to find
81:10
out much later on that this whole thing
81:12
was a dog and pony show
81:14
they went from seed Rijn to the board
81:17
owner of GG - who is san who is one of
81:21
the streamers from the early days of GG
81:23
who was also tied in with this major IRC
81:27
Clubhouse cabal shit anyway he became
81:32
the interim board owner for the actual
81:35
there was some you know quote unquote
81:37
based and on that nobody knew anything
81:39
about well I'm sure you realize by now
81:42
who exactly the board owner was so
81:46
anyways Anne takes over the board GT
81:48
revolt becomes a thing int annul who
81:51
Swamy was involved with a little bit on
81:53
and off help spam their board up into
81:55
the top bar on the site and so it became
81:57
sort of a fight between gamergate HQ and
82:00
GG revolt and my words to the mods on it
82:05
were to just concentrate on keeping
82:07
board quality the kind of the thing that
82:09
we always had done that was what put us
82:11
in line with GG in the first place when
82:14
the original board contest was going on
82:16
it's like if we take care of our board
82:18
and they have this sort of anarchist
82:21
utopia over here they're gonna collapse
82:23
under their own weight and we should be
82:24
just fine
82:25
well I think I ended up a throwing of a
82:28
bone on K at one point Shannon had
82:32
requested a a sticky about the whole
82:35
situation they described it as as a
82:38
split yeah so I said okay well we'll do
82:40
a sticky and we'll we'll talk about GG
82:44
revolt there but that's about it
82:46
right I think I think somebody to to
82:50
fuck with them quit GG revolt in the
82:53
sidebar at some point - yeah revolt and
82:56
I Wiggles in the sidebar at one time
82:58
yeah that didn't go over well well that
83:05
all boils down to the one thing that GG
83:08
revolt found that they could offer in
83:09
terms of being a gamergate board that we
83:11
refused to and that was the ability to
83:15
shit on and kind of attack other pro
83:17
gamergate members pro GG people on
83:24
gamergate HQ weren't above criticism but
83:27
there was kind of an expectation on the
83:29
case on that point of the moderators
83:31
that you make a really good case if
83:33
you're gonna criticize somebody who's
83:34
overtly pro GG i mean goddamn think of
83:36
the risks that people had to take back
83:39
in the early days especially if your
83:41
name is known just to come out and
83:42
support us
83:46
and revolt didn't give two shits about
83:50
that they were free speech to the point
83:53
that you could basically operate a would
83:57
be the best way to describe it it would
83:59
be like if if the US military in
84:03
accordance with the Constitution was so
84:05
Pro free speech that they would allow
84:08
Isis to build an encampment in the
84:11
middle of the united states army base
84:13
because they don't want to infringe upon
84:15
Isis's free speech now that's kind of
84:18
the level of retarded that we were
84:21
dealing with in fact I think I even
84:23
described it in terms similar to that at
84:25
least once and because we sort of had
84:31
you know everything else related to
84:33
gamergate operations digging and such
84:35
you know working against journals
84:37
working against the media keeping an eye
84:38
on the SJW threat in the industry on
84:41
lockdown that was already what we were
84:42
doing these guys kind of morphed into a
84:46
I don't even know what the fuck to
84:48
describe it do you think of a good term
84:55
nope I've got nothing almost like a like
85:00
a monkey on our back but not quite no
85:03
they considered themselves to be
85:05
nominally gamergate but they spent all
85:07
their fucking time attacking other
85:08
people in gamergate I think I think
85:11
she'll would would be probably the best
85:14
word for it but they were more like the
85:17
divide-and-conquer chills yeah but they
85:20
weren't really shilling for anybody that
85:22
we ever found out apart from themselves
85:23
well Ralph well yeah that kind of came
85:27
later though I mean there's a whole
85:29
other involvement story with that
85:31
including some details that I can't get
85:33
into but I don't know what the fuck you
85:37
call him I guess you know what how about
85:40
janitors team killers yeah that that it
85:45
was they got they were tired of playing
85:47
on the regular team tired of playing the
85:49
same old map so they started to get
85:51
their jollies by decaying their
85:52
teammates I think that's probably the
85:56
best way I can describe
85:58
I could understand the hate that they
86:00
had for me because at least for most of
86:02
the normal Anton's who went over there
86:04
in the initial migration
86:06
it was my actions that put them over
86:08
there but then you had them going after
86:10
people like you people like cult of
86:13
Vivienne people like Oliver Campbell and
86:15
Sargon and here's another interesting
86:18
thing though almost all the targets that
86:21
Gigi revolt went after were people who
86:25
had kind of crossed paths with or
86:27
offended or refused the advances of this
86:31
stupid cabal operating in the IRC and it
86:37
after a while I got to the point of kind
86:39
of wondering exactly who it was who is
86:41
making those threats targeting specific
86:44
GG individuals over there all the time I
86:46
mean we say things do I you can post
86:48
anonymously it could be anybody but when
86:50
you look at means motive and opportunity
86:52
there's a certain list of names that
86:55
keeps coming up repeatedly and after a
86:59
while there was sort of a mounting body
87:01
of evidence between you know
87:04
corroborating things that were discussed
87:06
on Twitter between various members of
87:07
the group with what happened on GG
87:09
revolt with what would happen on
87:11
Baphomet the daxing and trolling board
87:14
that H Han had for quite a while which
87:16
it still exists but it's kind of dead
87:18
now and after a while if you looked at
87:22
it in the long term that a pattern sort
87:23
of emerged where you would see this IRC
87:27
click this this cabal they put
87:30
crosshairs on somebody and the next
87:33
thing you know it would turn up on GG
87:35
revolt as a thread and everybody would
87:37
get riled up over there and start going
87:39
after this person and then a little
87:41
while after that suddenly a thread would
87:43
pop up on Baphomet now this person's
87:45
been doxed here's their personal
87:46
information here's all this other stuff
87:48
about them and then suddenly the thread
87:50
on Baphomet gets linked back to the
87:52
threads on GG revolt and the next thing
87:56
you know you have people being harassed
87:57
off of social media you know getting
88:00
shit in the mail you know moderators on
88:04
various sites are being doxed shit like
88:07
that but it became such a predictable
88:10
pattern after a while in
88:12
the order of events and the same names
88:14
always popping up that it started to
88:17
become pretty obvious that there was
88:19
something more going on and I don't
88:23
remember exactly when this was probably
88:25
about March ish March April yeah
88:29
somewhere in that time zone hey what the
88:33
hell did they do I think it was they doc
88:35
stile no they didn't Doc's him they
88:36
attacked all of her Campbell I think it
88:38
was John Kelly at the time and this one
88:41
was overt because you had the stuff
88:43
going down on revolt you had the stuff
88:45
going down on Baphomet yeah the stuff
88:47
going down I think they had Cal threats
88:49
too but at the same time they were
88:50
overtly targeting Oliver from their own
88:53
social media accounts and it was a lot
88:55
of the same talking points and it wasn't
88:57
always you know the information might
88:59
pop up on a revolt and then they would
89:01
use it but then also they would put out
89:03
information that would pop up on a
89:05
revolt at the same time you could tell
89:07
there was quite a bit of back-and-forth
89:08
going on there and this sort of network
89:12
analysis picture emerged and at that
89:16
point I realized that you know this is
89:19
kind of what we're dealing with this is
89:21
this organized group that they have
89:24
their own social circle they have their
89:26
IR C's they've got their Twitter DM
89:28
groups and something like this this is
89:30
who's been fucking with us
89:31
this is who was fucking with us on the
89:33
boards this is who's been fucking with
89:35
us on social media
89:37
why and after a while of this Oliver
89:41
actually got kind of pissed off and fed
89:43
up and he quit social media for a while
89:45
and that pissed me off
89:46
I like Oliver quite a bit he's a really
89:48
good guy especially if you talked to him
89:50
in private he's got a little bit of a
89:52
temper when he gets super riled up about
89:53
stuff but he's just a pretty great dude
89:55
in general yeah nothing like good things
89:57
to say about him yeah and this was
90:00
around the same timeframe that they
90:02
managed to finally Docs me and I decided
90:06
I had to make a judgment call it's like
90:08
okay so I can do the smart thing and I
90:11
can transfer board ownership to somebody
90:13
else and I can pack up my bags and
90:14
disappear quietly into the night or I
90:17
can throw two middle fingers up and I
90:20
can deal with this fucking problem
90:21
because I've already been hit I can take
90:24
the hits
90:25
and I sat down and I have a little
90:29
circle of friends
90:31
we still kind of keep in touch but they
90:32
were privy to some of this shit that was
90:34
going on at the same time mostly
90:37
unrelated to V fortunately anyway we
90:43
started doing analysis on this stuff
90:45
like who talks to who who really talks
90:47
to not just looking at sort of general
90:49
pictures on social media but like
90:51
digging into these people and where they
90:54
meet and what they do and I got mad
90:55
enough I finally put out a Doc's call on
90:58
gamergate HQ first and only time I've
91:01
ever done that I said there's this group
91:03
of guys who are fucking with us here's
91:05
my email address anybody who wants to
91:07
who has it send me anything and
91:09
everything you have on them and a couple
91:13
three days later I had my first leaker
91:14
come out and this guy was a member of
91:17
the group who was a little bit less than
91:19
thrilled at the way his buddies have
91:21
been conducting themselves and on the
91:24
condition of protecting their anonymity
91:26
and making sure that you know basically
91:28
that I didn't DOX them in the process of
91:30
going through this whole thing they gave
91:32
me chat logs they gave me DM histories
91:34
they gave me timelines of events they
91:38
pointed me to two other people who also
91:40
were able to corroborate the same
91:41
information and then the most important
91:43
one and this is a small leak that I'm
91:45
going to make Alexander Makris the
91:48
better known as Archon from The Escapist
91:50
was one of the people who was named at
91:53
having been invited into one of these
91:54
secret IRC rooms that these assholes
91:56
were running I happen to know Archon we
91:59
spoke several times by a Twitter DM
92:01
especially in the early days so I
92:04
contacted him and I said hey this is the
92:06
information that I've got can you verify
92:08
that this shit all happened and he did
92:10
he remembered the IRC chat and was even
92:14
able to recognize partially some of the
92:16
names of people that I ran by and hey
92:17
was this guy in there was this guy in
92:19
there his memory was a little bit fuzzy
92:21
but he had the details down and matched
92:23
what my insiders told me so it's like
92:26
okay we've got some verification of this
92:28
shit
92:28
and so the it was right about that same
92:32
time for the whole FBI thing fucking
92:35
and I can actually talk about that now
92:37
because both of the major players who
92:39
were involved with it was since retired
92:40
from their respective agencies I had a
92:43
regular customer of mine for years who
92:45
worked at the local police department he
92:48
actually stopped by my store and kind of
92:51
you know a little bit of a wink and a
92:53
nudge you didn't hear this for me kind
92:54
of thing said you might want to check
92:56
some stuff out we're getting some weird
92:57
reports from people and so I did and
93:01
that was the night that I learned that
93:02
I'd been doxed and the-the-the how did
93:09
it go
93:10
I'm trying to remember the order it was
93:11
like 3 o'clock in the fucking morning I
93:14
got home from work and I started poking
93:16
around and I think it was on a bath
93:18
baphomet where my Doc's had suddenly
93:21
popped up and there was a bunch of
93:24
people in the thread some of them very
93:25
recognizable both by posting styles and
93:28
the fact that the dip shits always
93:29
reused the same image macros that was
93:32
how we identified a couple of the people
93:33
that were in there was the the the
93:38
goddamnit the original file names that
93:41
you save an image as from an image board
93:44
site our persistent if you post that
93:48
picture on one site it's gonna have a
93:50
unique image tag like you know one two
93:53
three four five six seven eight nine ten
93:54
jpg and you can see that same image with
93:58
that same randomized filename posted
94:00
elsewhere you can link that person
94:02
together and we were actually able to
94:05
get into these this doxxing thread that
94:07
was going on about me it's like oh well
94:09
here's this son of a bitch from the IRC
94:11
group and here's another of these son of
94:14
a bitches from the IRC group and so we
94:17
tied them in with that too they were the
94:19
ones pushing for that
94:20
and finally the the guys on the Baphomet
94:23
thread put out a SWAT call and that was
94:27
the point where shit kind of hit the fan
94:29
so I called my buddy over at the local
94:32
PD and I actually described to him what
94:34
the hell was going on they called him in
94:35
on night shift and they sent another
94:38
officer down not him himself who came
94:41
down and talked to me at my place and I
94:42
actually showed him on my smartphone I
94:44
scrolled the thread here's what the fuck
94:45
they're doing you know if you guys get
94:47
any weird calls tonight
94:49
which they did to ignore it and they put
94:53
a bulletin out and everything it kind of
94:54
covered me on that well I go back to
94:56
work and a couple of days later I get a
94:59
phone call from a fellow who works for
95:02
the Federal Bureau of Investigation
95:03
we've been a customer of mine for
95:06
probably seven or eight years and he
95:08
says that my name had turned up had been
95:11
sent in to them on an anonymous tip and
95:14
he said it sounded like it was some
95:16
bullshit but he thought he'd better talk
95:17
with me about it
95:18
so he came down to the shop and I
95:20
actually I pulled a Chan up on my work
95:23
computer and I showed him the fucking
95:26
threads like all of them I showed him
95:28
the threads on revolt I showed him the
95:29
threads on Baphomet we archived him on
95:32
archive got today I emailed him links to
95:36
the archives and he said you know what
95:40
if you know so much about the people who
95:41
are putting this all together just
95:43
gather all the information that you can
95:45
on them and we have this Cyber Crimes
95:47
Division guys who specialized in this
95:49
type of stuff I'll show you where to go
95:51
take that information over to them and
95:53
if they find something there will
95:54
investigate it I said okay so we did
95:59
that and there was this about two or
96:01
three week long just mass digging
96:03
escapades that we did in to everybody
96:06
that we could find who was involved with
96:07
that IRC cabal feed Rijn cuckoo Seattle
96:11
for truth all that kind of shit
96:13
basically anybody and everybody burning
96:16
the forest down to catch the Bandit was
96:19
the descriptor that I used so I took him
96:22
up there to that Kansas City office and
96:23
I dropped him off on a thumb drive and
96:27
then we came back and I had a an IRC
96:30
chat session a couple of days later that
96:33
I invited the members of the Cabal and
96:35
GG revolt - it's called predator chat
96:37
and I could actually put a put a link up
96:41
in the chat for anybody who wants to
96:42
read the original unedited logs but it's
96:44
some pretty nasty shit there was overt
96:47
threats in there there was covert
96:49
threats in there I was making some
96:51
threats of my own - particularly related
96:53
to the whole FBI investigation deal and
96:56
then I waited about two weeks and we had
96:59
this the bomb drop
97:03
thread on gamergate HQ which is where i
97:07
made a public announcement of the FBI's
97:08
involvement and posted some stuff to
97:10
prove that it was actually happening
97:12
including a neat little picture that I
97:14
took of their main office Lobby had this
97:17
Federal Bureau of Investigation sign on
97:18
it I stuck some post-it notes on it with
97:21
their names on the fucking thing and
97:22
they let me take a picture and just like
97:27
I figured they would after that they
97:28
flipped the fuck out on Twitter I just I
97:31
had this this this imagined fantasy of
97:35
like hard drives going into microwaves
97:37
all over the United States you know what
97:39
I mean oh dear God that was my payback
97:47
was running their blood pressure up
97:49
through the fucking roof but it also
97:51
drew enough attention to it that I was
97:53
able to expose what I did know was going
97:55
on and that was when the whole I think
97:58
it was about the time the cancer crew
97:59
meme started on a chin and all of these
98:04
guys wound up being fucking pariahs
98:07
kelly yeah somehow the only one who
98:10
maintained any sort of decent PR front I
98:13
think was cuckoo mostly because he
98:14
stayed the fuck out of it yeah but like
98:17
I don't know how many alts male goddess
98:19
got himself banned under Jesus okay yeah
98:23
like all of those guys on social media
98:26
and on fucking all the gamergate hubs
98:28
they became fucking a lepers everywhere
98:31
outside of GG revolt itself and yeah
98:36
that was kind of a and I the worst part
98:39
was I couldn't brag about it I needed to
98:40
let them stew I wanted that paranoia to
98:44
be there just get under their fucking
98:46
skin and burn into their brain that was
98:48
my payback so I had to keep my damn
98:51
mouth shut about all the details of it
98:53
for a super long time in fact even now
98:55
there's things that I still can't say
98:57
things that were said and things that
98:59
were done and people that were talked to
99:01
but yeah that's that was kind of the
99:05
story of GG revolt it split off from
99:06
gamergate HQ they were teen killers
99:09
against the rest of gamergate with very
99:11
few exceptions and the place was ran and
99:15
most of their major like operations and
99:17
stuff were actually done by this
99:19
retarded IRC cabal who thought they were
99:22
the gamergate Illuminati and then they
99:25
ran into a fucking autistic bored owner
99:28
who turned their own little FBI
99:30
reporting gambit back on them and now
99:32
they hate me forever and ever the end
99:36
but there were there were some names
99:38
that that popped up and I know we we
99:41
sort of cross-checked them with uh with
99:44
her own notes like invisible Jim was was
99:48
one of the big well I remember him uh
99:50
who the fuck else hang on a sec I got
99:52
notes my own oh shit I made a mistake
99:57
opening this file oh shit no I I opened
100:01
my I need to open my text my text editor
100:03
and go in from the outside
100:05
my main gamergate folder is like 6
100:08
terabytes holy shit yeah if that tries
100:11
to load it'll completely crash my
100:13
computer hang on a second here text
100:15
editor
100:17
so anyway among other things I doxed
100:20
every member of the group and actually
100:22
handed their docs over to the FBI
100:26
here we go open now we go into the
100:30
gamergate folder show text files only
100:34
where is it because my gamergate folder
100:38
I'm curious now they're in the so she's
100:44
150 megabytes I got so much shit in here
100:53
so they're still in a subfolder marked
100:56
faggots like one of my helpers what this
101:00
was joking about it's like two FBI
101:02
agents staring over a computer it's like
101:04
quick check the faggots folder Johnson
101:06
we'd better catch these assholes
101:07
[Laughter]
101:13
what I titled it as it was just a bunch
101:17
of notes that I took while I was
101:18
interviewing these leakers ah here it is
101:20
uh let's see who else did we have a few
101:24
names in here john kelly sidrón ethics
101:29
suck bacon from hell
101:31
Jim yeah those go goddess Koro
101:35
oppressed fart oh here we go molt our
101:38
dry bones yep sale hatin s mix Mar bug
101:44
chan synthol vine s mix yep interesting
101:51
he was uh he was a K mod yeah for a
101:55
while I knew that ki a actually had one
101:58
of their members on your guys mod team
101:59
he was it was a pretty cool guy though
102:02
so sucked him from time to time oh yeah
102:04
that's right Hot Wheels was in the group
102:06
listed mostly inactive zing gar yeah see
102:12
somebody named Red Queen she a couple
102:20
others going on in here but yeah I got
102:23
basically the complete history of most
102:25
of the group how they started at their
102:27
own little splits and internal dramas
102:30
John Cal OH ethics suck the guy who
102:33
started the ethics cook meme yeah there
102:38
was a whole fuckin pack of these guys
102:43
silver Ranger Raziel yeah Seattle for
102:47
truth of course
102:48
yeah Seattle apparently according to
102:51
what I was told he got brought into the
102:52
group to become their new sort of videos
102:54
and presentation guy after bacon from
102:56
l-left
102:58
but yeah the what we have here is a
103:01
clique of faggots with an extremely
103:03
unwarranted sense of self-importance who
103:07
caused a lot of trouble for everybody in
103:08
gamergate and as far as the answer the
103:11
question that was in the chat earlier
103:12
what they actually were hoping to
103:15
accomplish I don't fucking know I don't
103:18
think they knew every time I got a
103:20
leaker from the group or I was actually
103:22
able to have a semi cordial conversation
103:23
with one of them I always made sure to
103:26
ask him the
103:27
question of what the hell is the end
103:28
game of all of this like whether it's
103:31
you know whether it's Theed Rijn who's
103:35
kind of though you know I don't have any
103:36
hard proof on it that I can present but
103:39
it's sort of the ringleader of the whole
103:40
thing he always owns the venues and shit
103:42
like that everywhere you look he hangs
103:45
around like a bad smell whether somebody
103:48
calling the shots had a goal for all of
103:50
this or whether it was just dogs chasing
103:52
cars I did I came up with a theory a
103:57
long time after in fact it was only a
103:59
few months ago as to why they put so
104:01
much emphasis on taking hold of the
104:02
8chan boards like these guys were trying
104:05
to get control of the hub when it
104:07
shifted they got control of both of the
104:09
previous gamergate boards by co-opting
104:11
the owners they tried to co-opt me I
104:14
turned down three different invitations
104:17
to join their little IRC Club I couldn't
104:23
figure out why it's like we're an image
104:25
board on a chan like ki a is ten times
104:27
the size of us even back at our peak
104:29
it's like why the fuck did they care so
104:31
much about us but then I clicked that it
104:33
had to do with information distribution
104:35
and my theory was because the way the
104:38
flow of information would usually start
104:39
envy and that would move to gamergate HQ
104:43
is kind of a proving ground and then
104:45
once it was proven and tweaked there it
104:48
would be taken over to ki a by our
104:50
reddit cross posters and it would get
104:52
blown up over there a whole bunch and
104:53
then disseminated out on the social
104:55
media through the major Twitter accounts
104:56
and things like that we had a pretty
104:58
good Information Network gamergate did
105:00
and I realized that if you can if you
105:03
controlled the first step you couldn't
105:05
really co-opt it they couldn't get into
105:08
the V threads we're basically pretty
105:10
show proof there's about a hundred and
105:11
ten people in there and we all kind of
105:13
know each other and we all kind of know
105:15
what's normal and what's not so the wolf
105:18
in sheep's clothing bit doesn't really
105:20
work on us and ki a was just too fucking
105:23
big if you wanted to try and control the
105:25
information that was flowing out of ki a
105:27
there's no way that you could do it
105:28
without actually controlling the
105:30
moderator slots well I I think I think
105:33
there was a goal with with that and I
105:37
think that's that's basically what it
105:38
was
105:39
change the ideology of kaa change the
105:42
audience there right I thought of it as
105:46
at first as people were throwing a
105:49
bitch-fit
105:50
because they wanted Karma for their
105:52
posts I thought oh my god they they just
105:54
want the attention they want the
105:56
reputation but it was a little bit
105:58
deeper than that this happened around
106:02
the time of the the self post rule where
106:05
if you had any Content that it was not
106:08
immediately related to gaming or nerd
106:12
culture then you had to have it in a
106:14
self post explaining why it was relevant
106:17
to the interests of gamergate
106:18
right I like people she didn't like I
106:22
don't know about your guys karma rules
106:23
and all that shit I haven't read it
106:25
account but I use it very little but no
106:29
I do vaguely remember that event though
106:31
yeah well basically with the karma thing
106:34
is people tend to take someone more
106:38
seriously that with the more karma they
106:41
have it's basically like a penis level
106:44
see this is one of the reasons why
106:46
imageboard users consider reddit to be
106:48
cancerous I just want to get out there
106:51
really on that front but anyway so so we
106:56
made that a rule and the big stink was
106:58
your relegating all this shit to
107:00
second-class content whereas this was
107:04
what we saw as a compromise to allow
107:07
stuff like unrelated social justice
107:10
content like the the Matt Taylor
107:14
incident and the fucking are you beach
107:17
body ready controversy oh yeah yeah what
107:21
we would allow that but in that sort of
107:24
capacity and one of the talking points
107:27
that kept coming up was self posts don't
107:30
do as well in karma so we won't have as
107:34
good of a chance to reach our all which
107:36
was a conglomeration of the top posts on
107:39
Reddit at the time which ki a was
107:42
regularly hitting and at first I thought
107:45
okay so this is just a karma thing
107:47
they're gonna lose their their influence
107:49
because
107:50
they won't get as much post karma from
107:52
their shit but then it just sort of
107:54
dawned on me that no what they wanted to
107:57
do was push this content to the top of
108:00
our all bring in more people that South
108:04
Korea is more of a yeah who agreed with
108:07
it worse okay is a anti sjw General sub
108:11
that they could just you know dump all
108:13
their shit in and basically run out the
108:15
people who were in it for you know the
108:18
typical reasons that they were for
108:20
gamergate of ethics and the gaming shit
108:22
right I think I would agree with that
108:25
actually yeah so good what had dawned on
108:30
me is if you manage to get control of
108:32
that middle step if you had control of
108:35
the 8chan hub then you could filter what
108:39
information was passed from V where a
108:43
lot of our operations and stuff were
108:44
conceived before it got to ki a which
108:48
was kind of a major megaphone that we
108:49
had that introduced gamergate s-- ideas
108:51
and content to a lot of new people and a
108:53
lot of you know redditor normies
108:55
quote-unquote it's like gay if you have
108:58
a multi-step amplifier and you change
109:01
the voltage at the second plate you can
109:03
have a massive effect on the on the
109:05
output voltage at the end without having
109:08
to put in nearly as much work you don't
109:10
have as much information flow to control
109:12
you can make a lot more subtle movements
109:14
that are harder to pick up on just by
109:16
you know just by saje flooding or
109:19
bumping the correct threads at the
109:21
correct time also broadcasting them from
109:23
major social media accounts there's
109:25
actually a surprisingly large amount of
109:27
power that you can exert over the whole
109:30
GG information network just by
109:33
controlling the little board on a chin
109:34
and that when that dawned on me it kind
109:37
of smacked me upside the head and it's
109:38
like I cannot think of a better reason
109:40
why they fought so fucking hard to try
109:42
and get control of us yeah and it was
109:46
more or less the same thing with
109:47
controlling vote totals on ki when you
109:51
could clearly see the votes score we
109:54
noticed that people were more likely to
109:58
go with whatever had the highest vote
110:01
total at the time and so we noticed that
110:04
there was coordination between the usual
110:07
suspects who would post this shit
110:09
railing against the mods calling us
110:11
cocks and saying needed to go were
110:13
abusing the rules or whatever and within
110:15
minutes they would have like 10 or 12 up
110:18
votes and if we ever came in to fire
110:23
back at them or try to address some of
110:25
the criticisms that other people were
110:27
leveling at us we wouldn't instantly get
110:30
those 10 12 down votes and I'll tell you
110:34
something interesting those notes I was
110:37
talking about earlier one of the entries
110:40
in here was that what I was told from
110:42
The Insider is that their teams that
110:44
they had that went around bumping or
110:46
saging certain threads and influencing
110:48
vote totals was between 12 and 20 people
110:52
hmm makes sense since with exactly the
110:57
things we observed but yeah so there was
111:02
that and there was also lots of rules
111:04
lawyering so one user in particular I
111:08
mentioned him last night who actually no
111:10
it was it was two users one of them
111:12
actually I believe got his account
111:13
suspended on reddit and that was
111:15
invisible Jim but the other one was
111:18
based I clawed and this guy would push
111:23
the rules as far as they could possibly
111:25
go he was outright lying about how we
111:29
would enforce them if we ever had a new
111:33
thread about new new changes that we
111:37
were implementing in the Sun he was
111:39
always there always railing about how we
111:42
were abusing our powers and how myself
111:46
and menos lemons and gamma King and
111:49
Oregon sea guy all needed to sit down
111:52
and later that expanded to chaos as well
111:55
which kind of funny because in our
111:58
private chats we wanted to ban this guy
112:00
like really bad we knew that it was
112:04
going to be a stretch of the rules but
112:05
we wanted we wanted this guy out because
112:07
he was good for nothing except stirring
112:09
shit and
112:12
chaos was very adamant about not banning
112:15
him to the point where when it actually
112:18
did happen
112:19
chaos do a fucking fit in and demanded
112:22
to know who the hell did it and I think
112:25
it was actually Manos slim ins who did
112:28
but that's neither well actually no I
112:30
suppose I should talk about that because
112:33
well both before you go into it real
112:36
hard let me pause for just a second
112:38
because I got to use the little boy's
112:39
room I will be right back
112:43
with that pause I will talk to the chat
112:46
a little bit then all right be right
112:47
back we've been on the cliffhanger
112:54
so how is everyone doing I'm doing ok if
113:01
you don't know what's going on here
113:03
talking with acid man acid man is the
113:06
board owner of gamergate HQ on 8chan has
113:11
been since the board was created
113:13
basically reminiscing on the old days in
113:17
talking about shit that happened you
113:19
could sort of consider this a
113:21
continuation of last night's stream
113:23
about gamergate KY I quit things that
113:28
happened that sort of thing and the big
113:33
point of this is a cement hasn't really
113:36
gone on streams much if ever so
113:40
everybody needs to not bully
113:43
please oh God
113:50
so rules lawyers huh talking about
113:59
yellow space rock in fucking Myers so
114:01
some rocky Dennis fag
114:04
though so all the Myers posting stuff
114:08
came like much much later on the stuff
114:11
we're talking about was like two and a
114:13
half to three years ago so this is this
114:19
is way way before all that in in
114:22
internet terms like some of the some of
114:27
the people that we're talking about have
114:29
had their reddit accounts banned for
114:33
that long or some of them have gone off
114:38
of Twitter or had those accounts of
114:40
banned for a long time like uh actually
114:44
let me see if John Kelly is still on
114:46
Twitter I think he got suspended
114:57
uh nope his look this account's tweets
115:02
are protected
115:04
looks like he deleted everything because
115:08
he's got the default avatar um let's see
115:15
there was another one a pressed fart
115:22
believed they were too spent nope not
115:25
suspended
115:26
oh well holy shit somewhat active last
115:33
thing posted was July 7th though
115:36
something in German looks like pretty
115:42
much given up on gamergate now it's more
115:44
of a trunk train sort of account don't
115:53
know why people are still following them
115:57
let's see we find another one this is
116:01
very low Earl Oh was suspended and I'm
116:09
back what's up not much I feel about two
116:13
gallons lighter
116:14
oh good everything came out okay yeah I
116:17
fell in but I didn't flush I was just
116:23
going over accounts that that I knew
116:26
were a part of GG revolt or at least
116:28
sympathetic to them and talking about
116:30
which ones were still around and which
116:32
ones were fans oh that's an interesting
116:34
little piece of history I can chime in
116:36
on I see John Kelly and Vera Lowe both
116:38
getting mentioned yeah they shot Kelly
116:41
looks like he deleted everything yeah
116:44
they did not get doxed by GG revolt they
116:46
got doxxed by Wolff Garvey helter AKA
116:49
Koro on twitter he was kind of Theed
116:53
ruins hitman there was a stream again
116:57
you have to forgive me if my timing is
116:59
off on this it's been a while
117:01
but probably about five or six months
117:05
after they doxxed me Vera Lo and theater
117:08
and were on a stream together and Vera
117:11
lo pissed seed ran off and he lost his
117:14
shit was screaming at Vera low at the
117:16
top of his lungs right on the stream
117:20
shortly after that theater and basically
117:23
declared very low excommunicate us from
117:25
their little Clubhouse and my
117:28
understanding is that when John Kelly
117:30
took Vera low-side cedar and kicked him
117:32
out as well once they were out of the
117:35
group though it was actually Wulfgar
117:38
slash Koro who went after both of them
117:41
he was still part of theater in his
117:43
group so this you know my my intonation
117:46
of it was always that he did this on
117:48
Theed Rijn say so
117:49
and he actually doxxed both of them and
117:51
harassed him both pretty extensively
117:53
there was multiple threads on GG revolt
117:56
on Baphomet on a cow and basically tried
117:59
to try to drive these guys off of the
118:02
internet for offending his Lord and
118:03
Master Theed Rijn it wasn't a general GG
118:07
revolt thing it was just this one
118:08
particular artist who is you're probably
118:11
aware with a Wulfgar he's a freaking
118:14
autistic canadian black dude furry i the
118:20
guy was so cancerous he got ran out of
118:22
the encyclopedia dramatica forums let
118:24
that sink in but yeah he was the guy who
118:30
did in old John Kelly and Merrill Oh
118:36
looks like a looks like the trend is
118:38
still somewhat active on Twitter he is
118:42
he and cuckoo or to the last ones left
118:46
yeah I know
118:47
I noticed cuckoo retweeting some old
118:49
we're not old shit but new shit that oh
118:52
yeah both are denote servicer Wolfington
118:56
okay yep those were his three names
119:08
fun fact he also put up a alt board on a
119:12
Chan trying to get people out of the
119:14
main gamergate board back in the day too
119:16
he created gamergate hb4 gamergate home
119:20
base hmm i remember that yeah you caught
119:23
it I've not heard that in a long time
119:24
yep he wanted to be the board owner so
119:26
bad space cat boys when I remember I
119:31
don't know if he changed names or I
119:34
vaguely remember that guy see Christi
119:44
jr. he was one of our Ralph's guys yeah
119:47
he's on gab these days he's also one of
119:49
the head honchos of the vote gamergate
119:52
board thank his name they're singing Oh
119:55
Chris ah yes that I recognize you know
119:59
Chris and I looks like he gots to spin
120:02
it on Twitter too let's see course mail
120:06
goddess is under a different name
120:08
yeah like that 11th fucking one well
120:13
when you're part of a when you're part
120:16
of a subgroup whose main thought leaders
120:18
seem to consistently wind up in prison
120:20
for anything from punching police
120:22
officers to murder it doesn't surprise
120:24
me that most of the lesser ones would
120:26
wind up getting their Twitter accounts
120:27
suspended
120:28
yeah pretty pretty much yeah so anyway
120:32
back to where we were based iCloud yeah
120:37
rolls wiring basically everything he did
120:43
was just barely within line of all the
120:47
rules that that we had said in order to
120:51
curb that sort of behavior and the
120:56
behavior of the other names that we had
121:00
noted such as I'll just go ahead and
121:03
read some off the list here cuz I know
121:05
some people last night were asking me
121:06
about it
121:09
jayveer core mentlegen
121:12
Oh mail goddess was on that list
121:15
invisible gym team complete control
121:19
DEATH BATTLE fan 1 2 3 dr. Diane DIF I'm
121:25
butchering these names bucket with it
121:29
and of course they drain was the drain
121:33
here
121:33
yes or thorat thora didn't I don't know
121:40
things yeah I thought that was somebody
121:42
else
121:43
well there were a lot of them that were
121:45
spelled very very differently but all
121:52
running along the same sort of
121:54
conventions but anyway point being there
121:57
you know these were people that that we
121:59
were watching out for and a lot of the
122:03
time if they ever commented in the
122:05
thread where we were present it was
122:07
almost always attack or the rules are
122:12
shit you were shit
122:13
get out you're not the leaders of
122:15
gamergate you're janitors that is your
122:17
role right oh dear God so we changed the
122:23
rules up in an attempt to basically
122:25
purge these sorts of people but we had
122:30
to make them as airtight as as possible
122:33
because we didn't want anyone who was
122:36
lawyering to get around it but we had
122:40
made an exception we're not really an
122:43
exception but we had made a note in one
122:46
of the rules where if you are
122:48
intentionally lying about how we applied
122:51
this shit that was grounds for a ban and
122:55
sure enough a base icloud took the bait
122:59
and started lying about how we were
123:03
applying the rules so he got a ban on
123:07
that one I wasn't around when that
123:11
happened I had like just gotten into the
123:14
Skype call or not Skype call Skype chat
123:17
since that's where we know we're
123:19
basically discussing stuff and we would
123:21
always invoke on on bans gonna just drop
123:25
something into the chat here real quick
123:27
give it something to be very careful
123:31
because
123:32
it's a pastebin link to the complete
123:35
logs of that chat that I had with these
123:38
guys right before the whole FBI thing
123:39
happened
123:40
yeah just put some spaces in between the
123:43
dots and the comm and all that shit
123:45
so it'll post because Google's of
123:47
asshole but anyway um so he ended up
123:53
getting banned and immediately went over
123:57
to subreddit cancer which was a sub that
124:02
really didn't like a lot of what Kay was
124:06
doing at the moment and a lot of the
124:08
usual suspects ran around there too and
124:11
it was basically a house where you could
124:16
spray paint censorship as much as
124:19
possible and people would call it art so
124:24
he immediately went over there rallying
124:28
about how it was so terrible he was
124:31
specifically targeted and the mods were
124:33
cuts and almost immediately came right
124:38
back over to kay i unban based i clap
124:40
why did you ban him you know this is
124:42
this is terrible what the fuck are you
124:44
doing so I get a text from one of the
124:48
other mods saying dude you need to get
124:51
in this skype chat right now shits going
124:53
down and sure enough that's the drama
124:57
that I that I come to chaos is pissed he
125:00
wants know who the who the fuck band
125:02
based iCloud someone had owned up to it
125:07
I think it was man oh and I think he had
125:10
the approval of gamma King and someone
125:15
else to I think it was porygon see you
125:17
guy but a whole bunch of fucking drama
125:21
and eventually we just said you know
125:23
what the board is going to burn the fuck
125:26
down if we don't do something let's just
125:30
make it a temp ban and that's it well
125:34
we'll go from there and I think he ended
125:38
up getting permabanned again not long
125:41
after that to which he tried to raise
125:43
hell again but eventually people
125:46
stop giving a fuck about him but that
125:50
incident was one where we basically
125:55
fucked up and did exactly what he wanted
126:00
us to do and leave they were good well
126:05
yeah gave the Cabal all the ammo that
126:07
they could have possibly wanted about
126:10
your you're baiting people based on
126:12
based on feelings and whatnot and I
126:16
think part of their strategy on top of
126:18
that was basically make make life hell
126:24
for the mods there until you moderate
126:27
them and then use that as ammunition
126:30
against you yeah they used to do the
126:33
same thing to us they'd come in and
126:35
they'd say they'd make a post talking
126:37
about a controversial subject and the
126:40
subject that they were talking about
126:41
might be perfectly fine not against the
126:44
board rules at all but they make the
126:47
thread with just an incredibly
126:50
inflammatory opie it's like all right
126:53
you know the first sentence out is
126:55
listen up you fucking Kooks I know
126:56
you're too busy sucking your own dicks
126:58
or whatever but take a look at this if
127:00
you're not a bunch of faggots type of
127:01
thing and they make the post so
127:06
inflammatory that it would start a flame
127:07
war and so it would go on for a little
127:11
bit and finally we'd come in and we'd
127:12
moderate that thread lock it or delete
127:14
it or you know if it was a repeated
127:16
pattern we'd ban the opie in about ten
127:20
minutes later they'd be back over on GG
127:23
revolt or on pole posting screen caps of
127:27
their banned message claiming that they
127:29
were banned and it was censorship
127:31
because we just didn't like the ideas
127:32
that they were presenting hm hmm nothing
127:35
to do with the shitstorm that they were
127:36
trying to stir up in the way that they
127:38
presented it as censorship was their
127:40
trigger word yeah it's like it's
127:42
argument absence of context and the part
127:46
that I always found frustrating was how
127:47
well it worked on some people well yeah
127:52
all I had to do was was say we're being
127:55
censored that the mods are going down
127:57
the same route as the
127:59
the janitors and the the mods on 4chan
128:03
oh yeah or they or they have been
128:06
infiltrated that was another line I saw
128:08
very frequently and you're still seeing
128:11
it today on on kie though yeah the mod
128:14
team has been infiltrated by sjw's oh
128:16
they accused us of having our mod team
128:19
infiltrated by redditors they thought
128:21
that some of our mods were also my mods
128:24
oh that's funny that's funny the only
128:32
the only board that I ever at least
128:35
tried to moderates on HN was the kotaku
128:40
in action board the the Kea board and
128:43
that actually might need to come into
128:45
use here in the not-too-distant future
128:47
the way reddit's getting their head up
128:48
their ass again yeah wouldn't um
128:52
wouldn't be a bad idea to grab control
128:57
that again because I think I lost it but
128:59
fuck it was it /ki a slash I think it
129:08
was yeah yeah I vaguely remember that
129:14
yes very long we took in the refugees
129:18
from fat people hate for a while until
129:19
vote opened up their subscriptions oh
129:21
Jesus God yeah in fact that actually
129:26
quite a row on hm
129:28
fat people hate came to H and and
129:30
started a board and then fucking in t'l
129:33
the International Board was this this
129:36
just retarded the anarcho communist
129:40
asshole board I don't know we wound up
129:43
spamming their whole board into oblivion
129:44
with buffalo somebody it'd be your B and
129:48
VB or V I'm not sure who all was
129:50
involved but it was nice to come home
129:52
and see that day they actually raided
129:55
fat people hate to try and drive people
129:57
out just cuz they didn't want HN to grow
130:03
god I remember fat people late tumblr in
130:06
action had to deal with a lot of that
130:08
shit too and eventually we just had to
130:10
put a stop to it ah you still gotta
130:14
follow the rules before you rage on
130:17
about hand planets yeah well the problem
130:20
we have with fucking reddit is that the
130:22
rules aren't enforced fairly no just no
130:26
no I know you're probably not the
130:28
world's biggest fan of the Donald but I
130:30
lurk there because it's say uh it's kind
130:32
of a fun place to be a lot of the time
130:34
and just the amount of shit that they
130:37
get from the reddit admins the vote
130:40
fixing the the quarantine from are all
130:44
the the general like every time you hear
130:47
the admins talk about him and any of the
130:49
blog posts and stuff they do it's
130:51
they're practically groveling an apology
130:53
for even allowing them to exist what
130:57
what do you want to know about how the
130:59
admins feel about that I heard I heard
131:02
some little quips on your your stream
131:05
from yesterday after I got the chance oh
131:06
no no this is this is stuff that I don't
131:09
think I've actually talked about before
131:11
by all means go ahead
131:13
so before before reddit changed their
131:20
whole algorithm on new accounts and what
131:25
subs they'd be subscribed to they had a
131:27
list of default subreddits where every
131:30
new accountant beats subscribed to it
131:32
you might remember that our atheism was
131:36
one of those at one point I be honest
131:39
the only reason my reddit account exists
131:41
was to post on ki a and like i lurk a
131:44
couple of game related forums in the
131:46
donald well that was that was uh that
131:51
was something that happened a few years
131:53
back and you would you would oftentimes
131:56
hear people say i made an account just
131:58
so i could not see our atheism on my
132:02
front page because the default reddit
132:05
front page from people that weren't
132:06
logged in were also from all the default
132:10
subs okay so when we added manos lemons
132:15
as a
132:16
to ki a he and I sort of got close and
132:20
I've sent him some shit some Winnipeg
132:24
Jets shit that I found Disneyworld for
132:27
him because he's a huge Jets fan and he
132:31
ended up asking me to mod our jokes with
132:34
him and jokes just happened to be a
132:37
default sub at the time so as a result
132:41
of that I got into the default mods
132:45
subreddit which was private very
132:49
exclusive
132:50
I'm talking like 500 users or less and
132:54
all these people were if you frequent
132:57
read it you'd recognize a lot of the
133:00
names there but that's where also they
133:04
would have communications with the
133:06
admins this was different from mod talk
133:10
mod talk was a different sub that had
133:14
shit leaked out from from there courtesy
133:17
of a Xavier Mendel yeah this all that
133:19
yeah but this one was a little bit more
133:22
exclusive because it wasn't just a you
133:24
have to be invited it was you have to be
133:27
or have been a moderator of a default
133:30
sub in order to even know that the damn
133:33
place existed I didn't know it existed
133:35
until I got that message saying oh
133:38
you're now an approved contributor holy
133:40
shit okay eventually they moved from
133:44
that board to a slack channel and I
133:48
still have access to it to this day I
133:51
don't know what exactly the rules are
133:54
for it since they got rid of the default
133:57
subs with the new algorithm for hey if
134:00
you make a new account you can pick
134:02
which subs that you're subscribed to
134:05
based on your interests but we won't
134:07
automatically sub you to anything so I
134:11
have no idea really like if this gets as
134:16
much use as as it should but I know that
134:21
the admins still frequent this there's a
134:24
whole channel for communicating with
134:26
admins such as
134:29
requesting bans requesting checks to see
134:33
if people are body counts band evasion
134:38
all that shit and occasionally you would
134:42
see people talking about the Donald in
134:47
there and I'll just look at this right
134:53
now
134:55
in in the admin comes as a five o'clock
135:00
yesterday Eastern time I believe they
135:07
were talking about the Donald posting
135:11
links based on the Texas Church shooting
135:16
there's a Boston bomber situation
135:19
starting up the sub is about to start a
135:23
witch-hunt against a random person who
135:25
was unrelated and an admin is in there
135:28
right away I'm going to poke them
135:30
momentarily but you see you see this
135:36
sort of thing very frequently people are
135:40
watching the Donald looking for for
135:43
anything that they can use to hit them
135:45
and at one point there was actually an
135:47
impassioned plea by I believe the the
135:51
user was all the Foxes asking the admins
135:56
to ban the Donald
135:58
because the the sub was basically
136:01
becoming too much of a liability for
136:03
Reddit as a whole and there was a risk
136:06
that they would end up causing if not
136:10
real-world trauma to somebody they would
136:13
end up basically being complicit in
136:17
someone being killed not like all the
136:22
the anti-fur reddit's with their bike
136:24
locks and bash the fash yeah well all
136:27
those reddit's are private now for very
136:30
obvious reasons but but yeah and on
136:35
occasion you'll you'll see big stuff
136:38
like that in in the default mods slack
136:42
so why the admins are still allowing the
136:47
Donald to exist I don't know because
136:50
pretty much everyone that I've seen
136:52
talked about them there has made it
136:56
pretty clear that they don't want the
136:59
Donald to be a thing but well the
137:02
current state of the rules means that
137:04
they have to allow them let me
137:09
contribute a little theory on that what
137:14
do you recall happened when 4chan banned
137:18
gamergate from v hn not just eight chann
137:26
we used to have a word for it we called
137:29
it twitter chan oh god i forgotten about
137:34
that yep we invaded their fucking hug
137:38
box with an army from hell and they have
137:41
never been the same since they uh they
137:46
believe I think an an on and the V
137:48
threats put it best when he said they
137:50
broke the spaghetti container and it
137:53
spilled out all over the Internet no
137:59
come on that is probably what the reddit
138:01
admins are trying to avoid in a way the
138:04
fact that the Donald is so goddamned
138:08
rowdy to use the polite term presents a
138:12
kind of passive credible threat of mass
138:15
destruction if they ever actually banned
138:18
their board because all of that content
138:21
is going to go somewhere all of the you
138:25
know hypothetical six million users that
138:28
are in that place are going to go
138:30
somewhere to talk about those issues and
138:32
that somewhere will probably mean the
138:34
end of our politics as a functional
138:36
subreddit as well as many other places
138:40
on Reddit as if our politics wasn't
138:44
already fucked him agin with it is but
138:47
it's liberal fucked yeah correct the
138:51
record fucked ya know that when they're
138:53
putting up I've browsed it just long
138:56
enough
138:56
see some threads on there popping up
138:58
actually linking share blue articles
139:00
oh Jesus and I just ah like fuck that
139:05
fuck you clicking the back button now
139:07
well Cheryl incorrect the record what
139:09
the fuck is the difference
139:10
not much ones Hillary Clinton the others
139:13
David Brock remember David Brock helped
139:19
found correct the record I did not
139:21
recall that but thank you for reminding
139:22
you know it's weird isn't it it's like
139:26
life is a fractal you know it's it's I'm
139:30
a firm believer in the butterfly effect
139:32
or every little choice that you make in
139:35
how you live your life and engage with
139:37
fameless' can have like massive
139:39
ramifications and the biggest of the big
139:41
picture and you can follow these little
139:44
water droplets flowing down the fractal
139:47
before they fall off the edge and you
139:49
know land who knows where it only takes
139:50
a little nudge here and there especially
139:53
near the beginning of an event happening
139:55
too wildly chain is the way its outcome
139:58
is yes theory chaos theory and
140:03
catastrophe theory and just you know
140:06
think back three years did you ever
140:08
expect we would fucking be here no no I
140:13
did not so he's perfectly honest I
140:17
thought there'd be more achievements in
140:20
gamergate well here this is my
140:25
philosophy on that and it actually comes
140:27
right back to what I was saying a minute
140:28
ago let me use a firearms analogy you
140:34
can have a gun that shoots straight as
140:35
an arrow and you pointed a target that's
140:38
ten feet away you fire a bullet and it
140:40
hits exactly where you're aiming it you
140:43
fire at a target 10 miles away or 10,000
140:47
yards away say the tiniest little
140:51
imperfection in the barrel the tiniest
140:53
little nudge against that bullet at the
140:55
start of its journey is gonna throw it
140:57
off by dozens of feet by the time it
141:00
traverses all that distance going down
141:01
there small changes that happen early on
141:06
in an event over a long period of time
141:09
have
141:10
SIV effects and I think that's one of
141:12
the one of the few credible arguments
141:15
that you can really make that gamergate
141:17
led to something like Trump you know
141:20
it's it's we joke about it it's a meme
141:22
you know God knows the freakin sjw media
141:25
likes blaming us for it so they can rope
141:27
all their boogie men into one nice
141:28
little picnic basket
141:30
but I think the reality is that we we
141:34
kind of grabbed the system and we shoved
141:36
it hard we kicked it in the fucking
141:39
balls and we're not gonna see results in
141:41
six months in a year in two years in
141:44
three years but the sjw's and their
141:49
their cultural Marxist ilk didn't
141:51
accomplish all of this in two or three
141:53
years either the long march through the
141:57
institution's is is uh I'm gonna quote
142:01
sticks hexon hammer for a minute it's
142:03
leaning harder to one side than a
142:05
one-legged unicyclist doing ninety down
142:08
the autobahn because we fucking shoved
142:10
it that way and it's it's it's it's a
142:16
matter of patience really I think like
142:19
we get blamed for everything gamergate
142:21
is still a almost daily fixture in the
142:24
media some we're living rent-free yes
142:28
you cannot say with a straight face that
142:31
we have not had a major impact we may
142:34
not know what that impact is because
142:37
we're not inside the loop on all these
142:39
these you know quasi-governmental
142:42
corporate ideological academic
142:45
shenanigans going on throughout the
142:46
world we try to be but we have a we have
142:51
a absence of diggers these days we don't
142:56
know how big it is we don't know how big
142:57
it's going to get it's still progressing
143:00
it's still spiraling it's uh you know
143:04
it's probably not even going to end
143:06
during our lifetime and that being said
143:09
there's also a lot of little concrete
143:11
things that the ki a guys and you know
143:14
no offense but somebody like you who's
143:16
kind of pulled back from a lot of it
143:17
aren't going to know about I mean he'll
143:19
V is still active the gamergate threads
143:22
have never stopped
143:23
we pushed Operation torrential downpour
143:26
pushing for better localization in games
143:28
this was just some number of months ago
143:30
in that caught
143:32
we're running operations against tree
143:34
house I'm not sure exactly how the whole
143:36
localization issue got worked into our
143:38
core goals over there but it did and
143:40
there's been a lot of progress on it
143:44
just a lot of little things like that
143:46
now there's still day-to-day stuff
143:49
that's happening it's just not the
143:50
massive explosions of whoa holy shit
143:53
it's happening that we had for that
143:55
first you know eight or twelve months
143:57
this thing kicked off I suppose still
144:06
given that has been now three years
144:08
since the start that the effects it
144:12
would least be a little more visible
144:15
than Kotaku begrudgingly offering their
144:22
disclosures well article here's what
144:25
I'll point out on that it's not the
144:27
concrete thing that Kotaku did in
144:30
begrudgingly admitting their their
144:33
potential ethical violations and their
144:35
articles it's Kotaku the entire state of
144:38
being I'm not sure how old you are but
144:42
I've gotten the impression that you're
144:43
you're one a little bit older crowd kind
144:45
of like I am 25 okay you're still
144:49
probably old enough to remember when
144:51
Kotaku was a somewhat respected
144:53
publication yes I do okay what is
144:57
Kotaku's reputation today everywhere not
145:01
just with us the the opposite of that
145:03
exactly we did that gamers kind of the
145:09
hardcore crowd already knew that sites
145:11
like Kotaku and polygons were shit you
145:14
know we'd known it for a good number of
145:15
years the last time I think Kotaku was
145:17
good you know I was still in fucking
145:20
college but now it's the mainstream they
145:24
know this is the analogy that I used on
145:27
a chain here probably in a discussion
145:29
maybe a month ago I said gamergate died
145:33
in the same way that a cell that's
145:35
infected
145:36
the bullet dies it ceases its internal
145:40
function and then the husk busts open
145:42
releasing the virus into the bloodstream
145:44
to flood the entire system they may not
145:48
use our hashtag but gamer gates memes
145:51
and our way of thinking have spread all
145:53
over the Internet the gaming communities
145:56
were the catalyst for this everybody is
145:59
a gamer the guy who makes your fucking
146:00
pizza Papa John's as a gamer fucking Vin
146:05
Diesel plays video games mr. t did
146:09
commercials for world of warcraft ok
146:11
your grandmother plays candy crush
146:13
everybody is either part of or connected
146:17
to somebody by word of mouth
146:19
who plays fucking video games and our
146:23
ideas went mainstream in the gamer
146:25
community and spread like wildfire
146:28
you don't need to use the hashtag to
146:30
shit on Kotaku you can pop into a Kotaku
146:33
thread today on any gaming forum and
146:36
you'll find people who have never heard
146:38
of gamergate shitting all over them we
146:42
did that we might not have a we might
146:46
not have a flag to raise at Iwo Jima but
146:49
we caused a paradigm shift that's
146:52
something I think we are perfectly free
146:53
to claim credit for and enjoy well one
146:59
other thing I suppose we're responsible
147:03
for the the FCC guidelines yep that I
147:09
think that is especially a big
147:12
achievement because well I mean he'll
147:14
now the in the Freedom of Information
147:16
Act request that we got back didn't they
147:18
cite both Kotaku inactions threads and
147:21
links to Deep Freeze yes they did yes
147:24
they did but considering now the the
147:28
rise in half fall I guess of YouTube
147:34
personalities content that that's pretty
147:38
huge yeah this is also the force of the
147:41
Empire striking back they would not be
147:44
targeting people like PewDiePie if they
147:47
did not understand what a threat they
147:49
are
147:50
in the current environment like we're
147:52
issuing a issuing not exactly issuing
147:56
mouths getting dry and trying to find a
147:59
proper term here we we kind of ushered
148:02
in a new era the I'm gonna go on a
148:07
little bit of a a quick diatribe here
148:09
just to kind of give you the background
148:10
of my thinking but I used to read a lot
148:12
of history and philosophy books when I
148:14
was young I yeah I was a kid grew up out
148:16
in the country television had four
148:18
channels my mother hated video games so
148:20
I didn't get to play him until I was
148:21
like 16 I read a lot and I came up with
148:26
this I had a question I had described
148:31
real quick give me a give me a one
148:33
sentence description of a king can I can
148:39
I use a game of Thrones no just be as
148:43
boring and bland as you can first thing
148:45
that comes to mind an individual who
148:48
rules over a large populous not
148:53
democratically chosen okay
148:55
can you describe him what's he look like
149:00
gold lots of gold
149:06
obviously crown because there ain't some
149:09
king without a crown alright so this
149:11
this was a thought that I had I'm trying
149:13
to I want to spell it all out here at
149:15
once so I don't take too long and so I
149:16
don't sound too retarded you know the
149:21
way the first king if you think about it
149:24
the way human tribal civilization
149:26
developed almost all of them fell into
149:28
this same kind of mold where you have a
149:30
single patriarchal leader who passes
149:35
their authority down in a hereditary
149:37
manner from the king to the Prince to
149:39
the princes son so on and so forth
149:41
of course we've all moved away from that
149:43
and in this modern day but for the vast
149:45
majority of especially Western
149:47
civilization's
149:48
way back in the day this is kind of how
149:49
it all started and so you have to ponder
149:53
how the original king got chosen the
149:55
very first one and I think a reasonable
149:59
argument could be made that you would
150:01
take the population of the city or
150:03
city-state
150:04
a tribal village or whatever you're
150:05
looking at and you would kind of filter
150:07
it so you have a hundred people you
150:10
filter out the ten of the eldest and
150:13
wisest of them and then you take those
150:15
ten and you take the five they're the
150:17
strongest of those and of them you take
150:20
the two that are the best orators or
150:23
have done the best negotiations with
150:25
other tribes or something like that and
150:27
then this being you know barbarian times
150:29
maybe you make those two guys fight to
150:31
the death Highlander style for the
150:32
blessing of the gods or some shit anyway
150:35
the winner is the representative of the
150:38
best qualities of the tribe he's the
150:40
wisest man he's the strongest man he's
150:43
the the most reasonable man with the
150:46
best judgment and this is the person
150:48
that they appoint as the first King
150:50
because who could be better a leader
150:51
than that and the question that I was
150:54
trying to answer is why would Kings pass
150:57
their lines down in a hereditary manner
150:59
and the answer that came back was
151:01
because it would be expected that the
151:03
King's successor his son would be
151:06
educated by the king and take on his
151:09
qualities the father teaches the son to
151:12
be honorable teaches him to be wise
151:14
teaches him to be to make smart
151:16
decisions to negotiate properly and
151:18
things like that there are certain
151:19
attributes that you could expect would
151:21
be passed down well the question that
151:24
comes up is what do you do about the
151:27
asshole prince who will become king the
151:30
reason why monarchies kind of died out
151:32
and why dictatorships are bad you know
151:35
it's said that the best form of
151:36
government that you can have as a
151:38
benevolent dictatorship and that's
151:40
probably true in all honesty but the
151:43
problem with dictatorship is dictators
151:45
aren't immortal and sooner or later you
151:47
get the asshole dictator who comes in
151:49
afterward and the the thing that I was
151:53
trying to understand in my readings back
151:55
in these days was why would anyone
151:57
follow an asshole Kingdom obviously a
152:01
king is not a god he has to have people
152:03
under him willing to follow and enforce
152:05
his orders so if everybody you know you
152:09
have a just a noble King and his son is
152:11
a douche bag and the King dies and the
152:13
son takes over why does anyone listen to
152:16
the douche bag still
152:17
when if nobody was willing to obey him
152:19
he could be ousted in a heartbeat any
152:22
three people could walk up on him and
152:24
March him out of the castle and then the
152:25
kingdom could just appoint a new king
152:27
who wasn't an asshole and the answer
152:31
that I eventually came to was that it
152:33
has to do with a I think human beings
152:36
are subconsciously susceptible to
152:40
associating the trappings of quality
152:44
with the position that traditionally
152:46
carries and you actually just gave me a
152:49
perfect example when I asked you to
152:51
describe a king you didn't say the
152:54
smartest man in the village or the
152:56
kingdom you didn't say the wisest man
152:58
you gave a physical description of him
153:01
you said he had power that was not
153:03
democratically elected he has lots of
153:05
gold and he wears a crown so if you take
153:09
a plumber and you give him power and
153:11
crown and a bunch of gold does that make
153:13
him a king the answer of course is no
153:17
but people come to associate the
153:20
trappings the crown the sceptre the robe
153:22
the throne with being the king even if
153:27
the person who is occupying that
153:28
position doesn't deserve them because
153:30
they don't have the qualities that
153:32
establish the kingship in the first
153:34
place in fact it's so bad that we apply
153:37
them after the fact as adjectives we'll
153:39
say that this person was a good King
153:41
this person was a wise King this person
153:44
was an asshole King and a tyrant where
153:48
the original concept of the idea that
153:52
these trappings were granted the kind of
153:54
reward was their qualities as a person
153:57
and now I'm going to make my point this
154:01
is why people still listen to the
154:03
fucking media the media that we have
154:07
today is not the media it is wearing the
154:11
trappings of the legitimate media that
154:13
we used to have people see them come up
154:16
the channel name is still CNN you still
154:19
have the two guys sitting behind their
154:20
desk wearing suits with
154:22
world map or whatever in the background
154:24
and they're talking about current events
154:26
people associate those trappings with
154:30
news with honest journalism because the
154:33
original conception of journalism and
154:35
the news media is an industry was
154:37
awarded those trappings in return for
154:40
doing a good job of informing the public
154:42
and so you wind up with this weird
154:45
scenario where you have the imma steal a
154:48
popular term here you have the red pill
154:50
to people for whom it's clicked that the
154:55
King doesn't deserve to be a king he's
154:58
an asshole he doesn't have the qualities
155:00
of a king no matter what he's wearing
155:02
and he shouldn't be in power and those
155:05
people are always going to conflict with
155:08
the other half of the population who are
155:11
still kind of following this human
155:14
psychological trend where they associate
155:16
those trappings with the qualities they
155:20
don't say that this man is a great man
155:22
he's wise he's intelligent he's all this
155:25
and all that therefore he should be king
155:28
and thus he should have a crown in a row
155:31
of in a throne they pointed the guy and
155:33
say well he's sitting in the throne and
155:35
he's got the crown in the robe ergo he
155:38
is the king they don't take it that one
155:41
step up they don't recall the original
155:43
intent behind the trappings and so the
155:46
two factions fight and it's those people
155:49
who the King can count on even if he's
155:52
an asshole king to continue enforcing
155:54
his authority where if everybody was
155:56
aware of the you know the original
155:58
intent behind the trappings they could
156:00
just unload him off the throne and kick
156:02
him out and we have the same problem
156:05
going on today with the media you and I
156:07
and the rest of gamergate err in the red
156:09
pill army we got to watch the son of a
156:12
bitches in real time perform an act of
156:15
Saito Genesis on us lie about us lie
156:18
about things that we were personally
156:20
involved in we know that it's a fraud
156:24
but at the same time what we have is the
156:28
people outside of our group the SJW is
156:31
the worst of them all because they also
156:33
bring their cultural Marxist nonsense
156:35
the mix is a reinforcing factor they
156:39
look at the median they say that's the
156:41
media that these are the people who
156:43
argue that Trump loosening libel laws
156:46
infringes freedom of the press this is
156:50
not the press that we have what we've
156:52
got is propaganda outlets wearing the
156:55
trappings of the free press and I think
156:59
the greatest hurdle probably of our
157:00
times is making the a significant enough
157:03
majority of the masses to become aware
157:07
of this that they that they might
157:11
actually be able to do something about
157:12
it because right now the emotion against
157:15
it is bigger than it's ever been at
157:17
least in any history I'm aware of in the
157:19
United States but we still haven't
157:21
gotten big enough to have palpable
157:22
change yet that can certainly say having
157:28
God having worked in in media yeah you
157:34
you will day a certain sort of power
157:37
over people you you control their
157:40
perception just language alone changing
157:45
around terminology it is enough to
157:48
change how people view things why we see
157:51
the shifts from well a simple one from
157:56
illegal immigrant to undocumented
157:58
immigrants you know an interesting thing
158:00
I stumbled across a while back was the
158:02
publishers of the style guide who
158:06
actually make those recognize our
158:10
colossal fucking sjw's yes they are
158:15
that's another axis we've been
158:18
infiltrated on have you noticed this as
158:21
well there's been a shift from the
158:25
leftists and general sjw's from using
158:29
the term equality to equity uh-huh keep
158:34
in mind that equity inequality are not
158:37
the same thing
158:38
they're the wreck like it's on paper
158:41
stems from the whole theory of justice
158:44
by John Rawls and that's basically the
158:47
text
158:48
for the modern social justice movement
158:51
that it is perfectly okay to give
158:54
certain and specific advantages to
158:57
people that are considered marginalized
158:58
or otherwise underrepresented in order
159:02
to balance the scales visually yep it's
159:08
all about appearances of superiority and
159:11
oppression absolutely oh dear God
159:20
critical theory was one of the classes
159:22
that I had to take for my journalism
159:24
minor funnily enough so I picked up a
159:29
lot of a lot of that stuff in there well
159:32
on the upside you have that working
159:34
knowledge of your enemy's weapons it's
159:35
always helpful
159:36
absolutely it's like now I don't know
159:43
well I know you did frequent for gym
159:48
yeah on and off several times over the
159:50
years I'd actually come away from a long
159:53
absence when I came back to be four
159:54
gamergate how how how closely did you
159:59
follow their Scientology opps that
160:03
happened during the time that I was away
160:05
although I could I look quite a bit of
160:07
the history in the long march afterwards
160:09
okay that all that happened about a year
160:12
to a year and a half after I first
160:15
started frequenting this site but that
160:21
was one of those things where you
160:22
basically had to learn the terminology
160:25
to talk about it and talk about it to
160:32
Scientologists and that's something that
160:34
I've noticed has been repeated since
160:37
Leah Remini started doing her
160:40
Scientology expose ace like you've got a
160:43
you've got to know the lingo if if
160:46
you're even going to get your words out
160:49
to these people pretty much the same
160:53
thing with far left social justice
160:58
cultural marxists now
161:01
you have to know the terminology they're
161:04
using you have to be able to decipher
161:06
what they mean when they say things like
161:08
cultural appropriation or something that
161:14
that would be kind of obvious like black
161:16
and brown people right that's another
161:19
thing that's that's sort of been shifted
161:21
to instead of people of color which
161:23
would include you know Asians what we
161:26
would think of as Chinese Japanese
161:28
Vietnamese Korean that's not descent to
161:32
black and brown folks because the
161:37
typical Asians that we think of still
161:39
benefit from white privilege right so I
161:43
noticed that they rarely have anything
161:46
to say about Native Americans - very
161:49
very rarely usually if they do it's
161:52
about the fact that the u.s. is on
161:56
occupied territory or the Dakota access
162:00
pipeline or oh god don't even get me
162:03
started on that debacle the
162:07
appropriating headdresses or don't say
162:10
you're 1/16 Cherokee because you're
162:12
bullshitting that that sort of thing I
162:15
find that there is a very loud silence
162:21
on reservations on prevalence of
162:26
alcoholism among native peoples that
162:31
sort of thing it's largely about
162:33
cultural appropriation and occupied
162:37
territory right I think what it boils
162:40
down to at least in my opinion is that
162:42
they get offended over the things that
162:45
they have been taught they should be
162:46
offended by rather than the things that
162:50
are actually causing problems for these
162:52
demographic groups that they're claiming
162:53
to defend yep and right now it seems
162:57
like black people are are the big ones
163:02
to to really focus on especially since
163:05
black lives matter which was funded by
163:12
major
163:14
George Soros there you go I almost call
163:20
him a doctor but I don't want to insult
163:22
the phd's no but holy shit and we almost
163:31
managed to make it through this whole
163:32
conversation without naming the Jew
163:36
almost although given the current time
163:41
and the fact that I still have some
163:44
things to accomplish today yeah that's
163:47
why I was gonna say that up myself
163:48
suppose we'll have to leave it here but
163:54
kind of like this kind of think this
163:56
needs to happen again probably with a
163:59
little more fanfare yeah you know the
164:02
way things are it's my original promise
164:05
to the board was that I wouldn't do
164:07
streams or IRC chat so there wouldn't be
164:09
any risk of being corrupted by the same
164:11
pack of Twitter troll assholes who wound
164:14
up co-opting and wrecking our first two
164:16
boards I think after two years of being
164:20
the board owner and still retaining my
164:22
sanity I'm pretty sure I can handle a
164:23
stream or two probably so as long as
164:27
schedules permit as well yeah if you
164:30
invite me to IRC I will find you let
164:36
that let that be the moral of the story
164:38
don't don't attempt to Doc's acid man
164:41
because you will end up on an FBI watch
164:44
list attempting is funny
164:48
succeeding will get your ass in trouble
164:50
I just have to wonder it's like you
164:54
think about Seattle for truth in his
164:57
fucking trial right now what are the
165:00
odds what are the odds that somewhere
165:04
that faggots folder in his entry and it
165:06
is floating around between the hands of
165:08
the people involved in setting his trial
165:10
up we will never know but just you would
165:17
think that the FBI might be somebody
165:19
that they would call concerning his
165:20
circumstances
165:22
it'd be interesting that's a hence
165:25
that's a happy little thought in the
165:26
back of my mind so last question before
165:30
we close it out acid who you think wrote
165:33
the tighten posts and what do you think
165:35
of it from the chat um I actually know
165:38
who wrote the tighten post I'm not going
165:41
to say too much about it because I don't
165:43
want to let too much slip as far as what
165:45
I think of it it was like a lot of the
165:48
early material that came in the support
165:50
of GG revolt it raised up a few good
165:53
points and then it turned them around
165:55
always finding some way to kind of
165:58
tangle it back against the main body of
166:00
GG for my personal philosophy I'm not
166:05
exactly the type who drifts with the
166:07
winds but I firmly believe that wherever
166:09
this whole non movement consumer revolt
166:14
wants to go the only choice that I have
166:17
to make is do I want to follow them or
166:19
is it time for me to step aside telling
166:22
them what they should and shouldn't be
166:24
doing and then throwing a hissy fit if
166:26
they decide not to listen to me is not
166:28
an option try to persuade try to argue
166:32
but when you come out with you know the
166:35
ethics cuck type condemnations and all
166:40
the various other kind of shaky nuri
166:41
that went on especially back in those
166:43
days when everything was so hot I can't
166:46
say that I support I probably support
166:50
maybe a third of the content that was in
166:52
the tighten post and probably zero
166:54
percent of its overall intentions
166:56
related to the rest of GG as a whole if
167:00
that's a satisfactory answer I suppose I
167:06
don't have to be well anyway I suppose
167:11
everyone who stuck around came in thank
167:15
you guys
167:16
yeah it was interesting I was kind of
167:19
glad to see a smaller audience it's it's
167:22
always nice to to not have to be
167:25
watching the chat for comments and
167:27
outrage you can just kick back and talk
167:32
and monologue without interruption
167:35
I apologize for monologuing too much no
167:38
no no no no no no no that's that's what
167:40
this was for
167:41
this is this was for this was for
167:43
monologues for God's sake there's a time
167:46
and place and this was it well the
167:49
problem is when I do it in text I always
167:51
sound like such a fucking artist it I
167:54
even notice it myself like I'll be going
167:55
back through old the archives or
167:57
something and I'll see a post that I
167:58
made you know twelve months ago it's
168:01
like I remember that conversation but I
168:04
don't remember like why do I sound so
168:06
energetic or angry it's like I don't
168:09
remember being upset about any of that
168:11
at all it's just something that comes
168:13
out of me and the way I type I guess
168:15
hopefully I did a little bit better via
168:17
voice chat I think I think you did all
168:22
right even for a $25 best buy headset
168:25
yeah I can't hear myself on this so I
168:28
hope I don't sound like too much shit no
168:30
it's nuts alright alright well anyway I
168:34
suppose we will close this out so thanks
168:37
again everybody thanks for joining me
168:39
the acid man and we will see if we can
168:43
do another one of these in the future
168:44
yeah might be fun
168:46
alright hat you have a good night
168:47
alrighty you too bye