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04:31 <+GrandApe> and how do u know that Psa and Isa are true?
04:31 <@Ross> you do not have to believe me but that is what the text says
04:31 <+GrandApe> i know that it is what the text says.  but how do u know that the text is saying truth, and not made up lies.
04:32 <@Ross> 60 plus years of study of human histor on earth
04:33 <+GrandApe> so what did u find in those 60+ years that shows that the text is truth?
04:34 <@Ross> the harmony within the book along with the Spirit of Prophecy demonstrate the bible to be true

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05:21 <+GrandApe> u also falsely claimed that the bible is harmonous, which it is not.  for example exodus 21:23-25 directly dontradicts matthew 5:39
05:22 <+GrandApe> !kjv exo 21:23-25
05:22 <@BibleBot> Exo21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
05:22 <@BibleBot> Exo21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
05:22 <@Ross> well, all the references of the nt to the ot demonstrate that the nt is based on the ot
05:22 <@BibleBot> Exo21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. (KJV)
05:22 <+GrandApe> !kjv matthew 5:39
05:22 <@BibleBot> Mat5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. (KJV)
05:22 <@Ross> !kjv mat 7:2
05:22 <@BibleBot> Mat7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (KJV)
05:22 <+GrandApe> :) so much for "harmony".
05:22 <@Ross> and how you judge Jesus to be, is how you are in fact judged
05:22 <+GrandApe> ya, so ur 65 chapters are less harmonious than the Game of Thrones.
05:23 <@Ross> i dont watch tv
05:23 <+GrandApe> fine.  harry potter.
05:23 <+GrandApe> anyway, ur bible is not harmonious, which by your standard should be a proof that it is therefore not from God.
05:23 <@Ross> havent read them harry potter books
05:24 <+GrandApe> how can u harmonize between exodus 21:23-25 and matthew 5:39?
05:25 <@Ross> i do not have a problem with the "eye for an eye"
05:25 <+GrandApe> but it contradicts matthew 5:39
05:26 <@Ross> i do not have a problem with God destroying Satan and his disciples whether they be fallen angels of fallen men/women/children/infants
05:26 <@Ross> how are they contradictory when God  is going to destroy all those who reject His Son
05:26 <+GrandApe> ya but we are not talking about ur taste here.  we are talking about the harmony in the bible, which is violated by the contradictions, such as "eye for an eye" vs. "turn ur other cheek to let him slap u once more"
05:26 <@Ross> how are they contradictory when God  is going to destroy all those who reject His Son
05:27 <@Ross> !kjv gen 2:17
05:27 <@BibleBot> Ge2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (KJV)
05:27 <@Ross> you were threatened by God <--- He's a terrorist
05:27 <@Ross> you know what ... you still do die
05:28 <+GrandApe> well, it's contradictory, because 1st it says go kill that who kills u, poke the eye of that who pokes ur eye.  but then gets a bipolar disorder and says "u know wat?  how about just turn ur other cheek and get one more slap lol!"
05:29 <@Ross> and one of the main issues within the bible is acknowledging what isa 54:5 says .... that Yehovah/Iesous is the Holy One of Israel Who Created us and Who redeems/saves us
05:30 <+GrandApe> totally unrelated to my point.  u can't sink ur head in sand and play dead.  u can but it won't work as u hope.
05:30 <@Ross> acknowledging we are created by Him, and not of our ownselves, is probably the main issue
05:30 <@Ross> afterall Satan got eve to disobey God on the issue of the immortality of the soul
05:31 <@Ross> we debunked the koran as a true book
05:31 <+GrandApe> to be clear.  you claimed that the bible has perfect harmony.  my question is:  how can you harmonize between "go kill that who kills u, poke his eye if he poked ur eye".  then later on it says "turn ur other cheek and let him give u yet another slap"?
05:31 <@Ross> God is destroying ppl throughout the bible .... OT & NT
05:32 <@Ross> the bible book of esther deals with what you are asking
05:33 <+GrandApe> do u agree that there is a contradiction between "eye for an eye" and "turn ur other cheek"?
05:33 <@Ross> the bible book of esther gives the answer you seek
05:33 <@Ross> yes and no
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