[01:57] <celphi> Did you know it's possible to make a JS walling script?
[01:57] <Zelow> Man, #alliance is super boring compared to #team lol.
[01:57] <Derrick> Team rules
[01:57] <Zelow> I am sure it is possible in a few languages
[01:57] <Derrick> This set is beyond hilarious
[01:58] <Zelow> But likely pushing it when it comes to the rules in this game.
[01:58] <Derrick> Oh it's fully stupid
[01:58] <celphi> The only one I can possibly think it can work in is JS
[01:58] <Zelow> Why is that?
[01:58] <celphi> Because it's a web game.
[01:59] <celphi> And JS rules the browser.
[01:59] <Zelow> So PHP has nothing to do with the web?
[01:59] <celphi> Cant use php.
[01:59] <Zelow> explain.
[01:59] <celphi> Would be CORS issues.
[01:59] <celphi> You dont have access to EE domain.
[01:59] <celphi> So you cant send POST to a differ domain.
[02:00] <Zelow> How much are you expecting to automate?
[02:00] <celphi> ie curl
[02:00] <celphi> Everything in JS.
[02:00] <Zelow> For it to respond to you being hit?
[02:00] <celphi> Anything you click to play EE
[02:00] <celphi> constantly read DOM
[02:00] <celphi> if pop < 300
[02:00] <celphi> run cash turn
[02:00] <Zelow> What is the point then?
[02:01] <celphi> of?
[02:01] <Zelow> You aren't even playing.
[02:01] <celphi> Sure you are.
[02:01] <Zelow> If you automate.
[02:01] <Derrick> ^
[02:01] <celphi> It's not all automated.
[02:01] <Zelow> eh,
[02:01] <celphi> Do you use 'orders'?
[02:01] <Zelow> honorless.
[02:01] <Zelow> orders?
[02:02] <Zelow> SOs?
[02:02] <celphi> Yeah orders.
[02:02] <celphi> Or bots?
[02:02] <Zelow> no
[02:02] <celphi> No bots?
[02:02] <celphi> war bots
[02:02] <Zelow> Not outside z-bot
[02:02] <celphi> It's a script outside of game no?
[02:02] <Derrick> I play on my phone
[02:03] <celphi> Doom bot.
[02:03] <Derrick> Have andchat and a browser
[02:03] <Zelow> You mean for ghq info and what not?
[02:03] <Zelow> That is differen
[02:03] <celphi> How so?
[02:03] <Zelow> compared to a script for auto walling?
[02:03] <celphi> Not all players have access to same tools.
[02:03] <celphi> Alerts.
[02:04] <celphi> same thing.
[02:04] <Derrick> ?
[02:04] <Derrick> As scripting?
[02:04] <Derrick> Lol
[02:04] <celphi> Alerts are scripts
[02:04] <Zelow> Alerts the same as having a bot make a purchase for you?
[02:04] <Derrick> Wow man
[02:04] <celphi> Yeah. I think so.
[02:05] <Zelow> bot/script**
[02:05] <Zelow> I disagree.
[02:05] <Derrick> Good to know they still let cheaters in over there
[02:05] <Derrick> I'm out
[02:05] <Derrick> Later
[02:05] <Zelow> ghq is information outside the game.
[02:05] <celphi> Over there. I'm not in anyone's clan.
[02:05] <celphi> lol.
[02:05] <Zelow> I don't think a script should be able to make actions for you IN the game.
[02:06] <celphi> Zelow. Lol. Man you're in for an eye opener once you play the game more.
[02:06] <Zelow> I am sure there are lots of cheaters.
[02:06] <celphi> Well-- i call alerts cheating. It's all the same.
[02:07] <celphi> Both use scripts outside the game.
[02:07] <Zelow> I use alerts, but scanning an IRC feed to alert me when I am attacked is not the same as having a script make an action on my country for me.
[02:07] <celphi> They're both programs outside of ee.
[02:07] <Derrick> One is a script provided to us by the game
[02:08] <Holocaust> Rules explicit say no scripts or bots can be used that do user function for you
[02:08] <Zelow> But they aren't when you have that script act ON ee
[02:08] <Derrick> One is specifically against the rules
[02:08] <celphi> Oh really?
[02:08] <Holocaust> So if it's not playing your country it's not cheatinf
[02:08] <celphi> What EE script does alerts?
[02:08] <Holocaust> ApI
[02:08] <Holocaust> API*
[02:08] <celphi> He doesnt use API
[02:08] <Holocaust> Having the API send out to mirc
[02:09] <Holocaust> Is a script
[02:09] <Zelow> All the info that is broadcasted to these IRC channels is public info.
[02:09] <celphi> Sure but that's not an alert
[02:09] <celphi> I'm not talking about broadcasts
[02:09] <Holocaust> It's the alert
[02:09] <Zelow> But my alert works off this public info
[02:09] <Derrick> You're allowed to use bots that don't make a user function
[02:09] <Holocaust> We just listen for it
[02:09] <Zelow> It doesn't do anything to my account.
[02:09] <Derrick> Like a war bot for example
[02:09] <celphi> Your scripts use the broadcast info
[02:09] <celphi> A script is a script.
[02:10] <Derrick> You just can't have scripts that do a user action
[02:10] <Holocaust> As long as the script or bot doesn't do anything in your account that requires user action
[02:10] <Derrick> Read the fucking rules man
[02:10] <Zelow> I think you're misunderstanding.
[02:10] <Holocaust> Rules page says
[02:10] <Holocaust> Scripts and bots are allowed
[02:10] <Holocaust> As long as no user action is taken with them
[02:10] <Derrick> ^
[02:11] <Zelow> ^^
[02:11] <Derrick> Now stop cheating
[02:11] * Derrick goes to bed
[02:11] <Holocaust> You can even have the script perform certain tasks in game as long as it requires you to initiate and use it
[02:11] <Zelow> lol
[02:11] <celphi> In addition, players are not permitted to collect news, scores, or market data with scripts or bots.
[02:11] <Holocaust> Just not a macro
[02:11] <celphi> https://www.earthempires.com/rules
[02:12] <celphi> It's all same.
[02:12] <Derrick> Some cheaters are also hopeless cheaters
[02:12] <Holocaust> Yeah but that was before the API and before the auto fill on market
[02:12] <celphi> I'm just sayin' black n' white.
[02:12] <celphi> It's all illegal.
[02:13] <Zelow> They mean storing it as a db
[02:13] <Holocaust> Yeah but to get purped you would have go cross the line pretty far
[02:13] <Zelow> because you can request the API key
[02:13] <celphi> That's a full sentence I pasted.
[02:13] <celphi> Only selected players can use the api
[02:13] <celphi> You have to request the api code from qzjul
[02:14] <Zelow> "For players who wish to use such data, the Earth Empires team grants API keys to developers. These keys can be obtained by contacting Earth Empires Staff directly via e-mail or through live chat. API codes are given out on a case-by-case basis: applying for a key does not automatically mean a user will be granted one."
[02:14] <celphi> Yeah. I'm one of the users.
[02:15] <Zelow> I am not storing it when it is alerting me.
[02:15] <celphi> There's a list of users on api dev team who can do it.
[02:15] <Holocaust> Dragon is one of the better API users
[02:15] <Zelow> But if you wanted to get technical then we are all guilty of that one as I am sure we all have logs turned on.
[02:15] <Holocaust> The way he setup GHQ to work with outside tools and bots
[02:15] <celphi> That was my only point Zelow.
[02:15] <celphi> Dragon is on the list.
[02:15] <Holocaust> As long as you and only you plays your country or interacts with it then not cheating
[02:15] <Zelow> But it is still pretty mute, as you know that is not what it was meant for.
[02:26] <Derrick> I wonder if he brags about the water he drinks too
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