Important segments of the American Right are traitorous/dumb

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Topic set by realiste!32007919@ircip1.mibbit.com on Tue Jan 30 2018 14:21:08 GMT-0800 (PST)
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15:07	sn00p	deport these bastards
15:07	sn00p	http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/30/republican-congressman-wants-illegal-immigrants-who-attend-state-union-arrested-and-deported.html
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15:07	far	In cognitive psychology and decision science, conservatism or conservatism bias is a bias in human information processing, which refers to the tendency to revise one's belief insufficiently when presented with new evidence.
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15:10	luldangs	amen
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15:11	luldangs	if they're allowed than that is showing current administration and trump weakness, if they're there right in front of his face and nothing is done
15:11	kball	I can’t decide whether or not to watch the SOTU
15:11	sn00p	you're a idiot if you have to think about that
15:12	far	just read the transcript, way more efficient
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15:12	luldangs	yep
15:13	kball	true, but that loses something, for sure
15:13	nharris	It's lose lose.  If those bean....err.. illegal immigrants are taken out of the audience, it'll just add to the false "Trump is a fascist" narrative.
15:13	AriHiraf	far: Where's that from?
15:13	luldangs	doesn't really matter, just ignore that
15:13	AriHiraf	kball: I am not going to watch the SOTU.
15:13	AriHiraf	Reason: Donald Trump is a traitor who hates American democracy.
15:14	kball	that doesn’t seem like a very good reason
15:14	AriHiraf	Reason: He is currently attempting to destroy neutral law and order in the USA and the GOP is complicit.
15:14	nharris	How much anti-democracy has Trump done exactly?
15:14	AriHiraf	kball: Why?
15:14	kball	i mean, wouldn’t you want to see what a traitor is up to?
15:14	synaptic	far, that statement itself has bias, naturally new evidence is considered but weighted against a lifetime of other evidence.. if that new evidence proves to be true over the long haul, then it will be incorporated
15:14	luldangs	yeah. and obama, who literally did things that matches the definition of treason and sedition, is just fine. toss another on the ignore pile.
15:14	AriHiraf	kball: I prefer to see it through a interpretative lens by those I trust.
15:14	mac^^^	how would we know a person at SOTU is an illegal?
15:14	synaptic	this speaks to the weights assigned to the connections of the neural network
15:14	AriHiraf	His words are poison.
15:14	AriHiraf	mac^^^: The brown ones.
15:14	synaptic	somebody who immediately weights new evidence greater than all other evidence may be easily misled
15:14	sn00p	Cuck Schumer needs to fucking shut the hell up
15:15	kball	nharris, i haven’t even said anything of substance
15:15	AriHiraf	luldangs: What is the best example of treason by Obama?
15:15	luldangs	looks like AriHiraf has been here under lots of nicks: Ascend , BingBongP , CasualBri , CitlaliSh , Duressed , EsFeo , Gabbon , gruffdog , Kibash , LovingCat , MovingOve , n00b699 , n00b813 , n00b961 , NalaniEke , NewChatte , Wickaninn
15:15	luldangs	actually i got more Anaru , AriHiraf , Ascend , BingBongP , CasualBri , CitlaliSh , dragoon , Duressed , EsFeo , FreyrFrey , Gabbon , Gideon , gruffdog , inverted , ivarr , JegaPRIME , Kibash , KupRavage , LovingCat , makana , Meren , MovingOve , n00b699 , n00b813 , n00b961 , NalaniEke , NewChatte , Simd , Teferi , temurian , Wickaninn
15:15	AriHiraf	luldangs: As a believer in Madison republican democracy, I support investigating and imprisoning all traitors.
15:16	AriHiraf	Because, as Madison articulated in Federalist 10, factionalism is the primary threat to the republic.
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15:16	luldangs	http://pressbull.com/stumped-socialist-sen-bernie-sanders-goes-silent-when-asked-if-hes-happy-people-are-getting-tax-bonuses-thanks-to-president-trumps-tax-cuts/
15:16	redryder	far, maybe thier not biasd but just put more weight in certain factors than just blowing them off equally
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15:17	AriHiraf	synaptic: You are correct that learning is a difficult problem.
15:17	luldangs	leftists worried about bias. that's gold
15:17	AriHiraf	If you have seen a lot of evidence, and the new evidence you see is a small percentage of the amount of evidence you've seen so far, you should generally be conservative in moving your beliefs.
15:17	mac^^^	I know 1 day makes no difference in the stock market but Trump might stutter if he brags about the market tonight
15:17	sn00p	obama cant troll worth shit
15:17	AriHiraf	For the record: luldangs was unable to provide an example of treason by Obama.
15:18	AriHiraf	Note: His bringing up any possible treason by Obama in response to a statement about possible treason by Trump is an example of whataboutism -- a pervasive fallacy.
15:18	kball	there were no ‘pallets of currency given to iran’
15:18	AriHiraf	Of course, in machine learning, it's difficult to know just how much to weight recent evidence v. old evidence.
15:18	kball	i can’t believe so many people so readily bought that lie
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15:18	AriHiraf	Depending on context/problem-domain, it might make sense to weight recent evidence much more than old evidence.
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15:19	redryder	factionalism is a concern, but if you believe in your course of action as opposed to just tearing down everything like the dems do
15:19	AriHiraf	For example, if you are trying to provide recommendations for a video on Youtube.
15:19	synaptic	a population, genetic algorithms and a fitness test are in order
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15:19	AriHiraf	redryder: Can you expound?
15:19	AriHiraf	The Framers advocate violence and tearing down.
15:19	AriHiraf	I have a citation.
15:19	synaptic	yeah that's consistent with liberty
15:20	AriHiraf	"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations...
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15:20	AriHiraf	..., pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
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15:20	AriHiraf	So, for example, the GOP is currently in a long train of usurpations.
15:21	redryder	that in itself is like a negative positive, like negative esp, you should get 10 flips of a coin half right but is you get less thats negative esp, so but negativism could encourage one to believe he's right
15:21	AriHiraf	They pursue legislation that is extremely unpopular with the American people -- including GOP voters.
15:21	AriHiraf	They actively work to undermine the US intelligence and law enforcement communities.
15:21	AriHiraf	They participate in the Russian cyberwarfare against the USA.
15:21	AriHiraf	If a wave election occurs in 2018, and the results do not indicate that, then the American government will no longer be valid, per Declaration of Independence.
15:22	AriHiraf	The CIA director, Mike Pompeo, a Trump sycophant, yesterday stated that Russia will absolutely interfere with the 2018 election.
15:22	AriHiraf	The GOP is taking no attempts to secure our elections.
15:22	julz	how do they interfere?
15:23	AriHiraf	julz: There hasn't been a full audit of the 2016 election, but here is what we know:
15:23	AriHiraf	1. They use a network of bots on social media platforms to push ideology that disrupts the social fabric in the USA
15:23	AriHiraf	2. They hacked the DNC
15:23	AriHiraf	3. They attempted to hack the RNC
15:23	julz	no proof of DNC hack
15:23	AriHiraf	4. They provided assistance to the Trump campaign with Hillary's emails
15:23	mac^^^	AriHiraf: who the fuck cares?
15:24	aquarius	Seth Rich
15:24	AriHiraf	mac^^^: Your question is "who the fuck cares?" about a foreign nation interfering with our elections?
15:24	aquarius	shareblue shills on efnet
15:24	AriHiraf	5. They exploit Citizens United to funnel dark money to the GOP.
15:24	AriHiraf	6. They at least attempted to hack 39 state election systems
15:24	mac^^^	AriHiraf: depends on what you mean by "interfering"
15:24	AriHiraf	julz: Those are some of the known ways they have interfered.
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15:25	AriHiraf	mac^^^: I am currently using the definition and evidence from the 16 US intelligence agencies.
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15:25	AriHiraf	Do you consider those valid?
15:25	julz	state election systems vary from state to state they are not uniform some precincts still use paper ballots
15:25	AriHiraf	Or, like the US president, Donald Trump, do you consider them fake news.
15:25	synaptic	how do you know election hackers are russians?
15:25	mac^^^	AriHiraf: I do n ot respect our intelligence agencies
15:25	AriHiraf	synaptic: Because Five Eyes, the Dutch, and the 16 of 16 US intelligence agencies say so.
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15:25	AriHiraf	mac^^^: I see.
15:25	julz	how do you hack voter machines no in synch with the net?
15:25	julz	not
15:26	mac^^^	AriHiraf: I also do not see a problem with fake stories
15:26	AriHiraf	julz: There is publicly available data for your question.
15:26	julz	Ari, I don't  need it
15:26	AriHiraf	julz: Why?
15:26	synaptic	arihiraf, that's demo talking points.. 17 intelligence agencies right?
15:26	julz	none of the things you posted makes sense
15:26	AriHiraf	julz: Are you an anti-intellectual?
15:26	julz	are you?
15:26	AriHiraf	julz: Pick one of my six points and then tell me why it doesn't make sense.
15:27	AriHiraf	julz: I respected FIFO ordering on question asking.
15:27	julz	I told you no proof of DNC hacking
15:27	AriHiraf	As it promotes social reciprocity and conversational turn taking.
15:27	julz	by the Russians
15:27	AriHiraf	Which are essential components of the c-factor of group intelligence.
15:27	kball	the ’17 US intelligence agencies’  line is stupid and people ought to drop it
15:27	AriHiraf	(Citation available)
15:27	mac^^^	interference can mean whatever you want it to mean
15:27	synaptic	arihiraf, how do you like living in Denver?
15:27	HomeTrout	julz: our supreme court asked the same question... and a hacker gave a live demo in front of the court... took him less then 30 seconds to vote for a candidate not even in the system.
15:27	AriHiraf	julz: There was a report signed off by 16 of the 16 US intelligence agencies that stated Russia hacked the DNC.
15:27	AriHiraf	Do you dispute this report?
15:28	AriHiraf	synaptic: Do you resign?
15:28	julz	Trout, your voting is uniform throughout the Germany?
15:28	AriHiraf	I ask because your question is meaningless.
15:28	gatti	Do... You... Confess
15:28	synaptic	AriHiraf, but your IP is in Denver.. surely you are from Denver
15:28	redryder	personnally i don't see why foreign powers, given the scope in the us hasn't bought thier own air time to champion thier candidate rather than just contributed to thier campagain
15:28	julz	Ari, not all those agencies deal in cyber security, do you dispute this?
15:28	HomeTrout	julz: yes. with pen and paper. no votingmaschines.
15:28	AriHiraf	I disengaged from interacting with you, synaptic.
15:28	AriHiraf	julz: I asked you a question.
15:28	AriHiraf	Remember the FIFO ordering.
15:29	redryder	all they have to do is hire an ad agency
15:29	AriHiraf	I will answer your questions in turn order.