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[05:06] <Paladin> I'd be ok with using magic very sparingly
[05:06] <Nathan2000> Both ways as in both ponies and deer?
[05:06] <Paladin> Like for instance what if only a few of the deer are able to use "special abilities"
[05:06] <Topper> So even his special talent, or destiny, doesnt help him decide, putting more stress on him.
[05:06] <Nathan2000> That might go against what cutie marks are supposed to be.
[05:06] <Topper> Like zecora?
[05:06] <Rainb> what the..
[05:06] <Paladin> and maybe these abilities are like, being able to move super quickly, through a forest, or I dunno, something else
[05:06] <Topper> Stealth? That could work.
[05:06] <Topper> Like, being camo or invisible with special cloaks. Sounds like it would fit.
[05:06] <Paladin> Yeah, maybe something like that, we'd have to work it out in the concepting phase
[05:06] <Nathan2000> So that's what deer talent is. And Treebark's?
[05:06] <Paladin> Perhaps, it would be like... I dunno the difference between Wizard mana, and Demon hunter discipline
[05:06] <Paladin> Both are used to create certain effects
[05:06] <Paladin> but are inherantly different
[05:06] <Nathan2000> I don't even know what you're talking about. Some game apparently.
[05:06] <Topper> This is something else that builds the episode up. I imagine he already has it, but he doesnt know what it means, since hes been living with deers.
[05:06] <Paladin> We can come up with something for the deerfolk, that's for sure, but the question is whether or not we should
[05:06] <Paladin> Diablo 3
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[05:07] <Stinkmeaner> So what's everyone leaning on right now?
[05:07] <Topper> Maybe there should be a scene showing a monster attacking, and the deer folk show they are capable of not only taking care of themselves, but protecting others. hm?
[05:07] <Slashy> Topper, Nah
[05:07] <Topper> Im sure there will be deers in it.
[05:08] <Stinkmeaner> they aiming for slice of life+adventure or just slice of life?
[05:08] <Slashy> slice of life
[05:08] <Paladin> Mmm, I'm not sure we should portray deerfolk as people who can "fight"
[05:08] <Topper> Im just trying to get some action in there. This whole episode is going to be watching a little deer making a hard decision. For 20 minutes..
[05:08] <Nathan2000> Finding a foal living with the deer sounds pretty much like an adventure to me.
[05:08] <Stinkmeaner> anyone read that crazy ass anon's story about deers being like forest spirits?
[05:08] <Paladin> Maybe instead, we can have the "warriors" of the pack use something to "distract" the monsters so the other can escape
[05:09] <Nathan2000> With that astral plane?
[05:09] <Stinkmeaner> yeah that michael bay one...
[05:09] <Nathan2000> There was no lesson coming out of that.
[05:09] <Paladin> It's not really that find him living among them is interesting, but WHY he's there that's interesting
[05:09] <Topper> I dont like a distracting plan though. That shows its dangerous to live with them..
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[05:10] <Paladin> Topper is thinking exactly about what I was thinking about earlier
[05:11] <Paladin> Yeah, but it's danger is danger, how different species deal with that danger is what matters.
[05:11] <Paladin> If they were going up against royal guards, ... yeah they'd probably fight the monster
[05:11] <Topper> Yeah. Trying to balance everything out is a challenge. IT can be done though..
[05:11] <Paladin> but if we're taking about a herbavore who's means of defese is to "run the hell away" then we can't put them in as these warriors
[05:11] <Nathan2000> This is what we should've been doing today. Brainstorming.
[05:12] <Paladin> Well ... we could but it wouldn't make sense
[05:12] <Topper> What were people doing earlier? I came on as soon as I could.
[05:12] <Paladin> bickering about who's idea was better
[05:12] <Nathan2000> Idea of a moral. We didn't even touch outlines.
[05:12] <Topper> Thats a waste, if no new ideas were being thrown around.
[05:13] <Paladin> We're trying to come with a central theme for our story
[05:13] <Topper> I think the moral speaks for itself really.
[05:13] <Paladin> and i'm getting these stone set ideas that are just rediculous to have so early in the development process
[05:13] <Paladin> Well, the central idea is important
[05:14] <Topper> Adoption vs birth parents. What we say about that is another issue, but that seems to be the focus with this concept.
[05:14] <Paladin> It's the most important idea, because it's going to determine whether this be a slice of life ep, or action, or comedy, etc
[05:14] <Stinkmeaner> So how many of the mane6 are gonna get their own scenes?
[05:14] <Paladin> I don't know, but I've argued for no more than 3
[05:14] <Nathan2000> We don't know yet.
[05:15] <Paladin> Anything more and we run a problem with rescourses and VA's, and planning
[05:15] <Topper> So far, TS and AJ seem like good candidates. Still thinking though.
[05:15] <Paladin> I can't remember who suggested it, but TS, AJ, and Flutershy seem to be the candidates
[05:15] <Paladin> If you can come up with a reason to have someone else over the other, please feel free
[05:16] <Topper> Yeah, that person was a genius, whoever came up with those three.
[05:16] <Paladin> They do fit really well
[05:16] <Paladin> AJ = honest, can tell TB like it is
[05:16] <Paladin> Twi = logical, can give both sides of argument
[05:16] <Stinkmeaner> Anyone argued about the brainstorming to also be held in the curren thread? It's just that Europe, Australia, maybe others don't have the american timezone
[05:16] <Paladin> Spike = can show perspective and context
[05:17] <Paladin> Flutershy = well.. she's the instigator
[05:17] <Topper> Yeah. It gives a chance for more interaction between those three as well.
[05:17] <Paladin> indeed
[05:17] <MileHigh> so do you guys have an outline yet or are you working on other stuff?
[05:17] <Paladin> We rarely see them together much in the series
[05:18] <Paladin> Um, we've just be brainstorming over the past few hours here
[05:18] <Topper> Yeah. I only remember AJ and FS during the discord reformation.
[05:18] <Paladin> Honestly, I don't think a single one of us is a writer, but I really considering just making an outline myself
[05:18] <Paladin> Based on this discussion
[05:18] <Topper> Yeah, we're trying to get the best story possible. Im just coming up with ideas really.
[05:18] <Rainb> wha not
[05:18] <Rainb> can I see the outher outlines, please?
[05:19] <Rainb> or put them on the topic
[05:19] <Slashy> Quick question
[05:19] <Rainb> please
[05:19] <Slashy> Random thought
[05:19] <Topper> hm?
[05:19] <PaladinArcana> jewtube?
[05:19] <Paladin> I believe this bin has all the links to stuff
[05:19] <Paladin> http://pastebin.com/zd3437eQ
[05:19] <Slashy> Hasbro is unlikely to take the video down if we upload it on othersites besides YT
[05:19] <Slashy> Dailymotion, Vimeo
[05:19] <Slashy> NicoNicoDouga
[05:19] <Rainb> meh
[05:19] <Rainb> yeah, so?
[05:20] <Paladin> Hasbro can suck a cock, they gave us Twilicorn, THEY OWE US
[05:20] <Topper> Someone will have it somewhere.
[05:20] <Rainb> slashy, what
[05:20] <Slashy> In fact
[05:20] <Slashy> If it isn't on EqD
[05:20] <Slashy> err
[05:20] <Nathan2000> So the main appeal of Treebark is that it's unusual for a pony to live in the forest. That's what the main theme should revolve around.
[05:20] <Slashy> If it isn't on Youtube
[05:20] <Topper> It gives the hiatus some action.
[05:20] <Slashy> EqD won't post it
[05:20] <Rainb> what's your point slashy
[05:20] <Slashy> Why are we worried
[05:21] <Paladin> Well, we've got a couple of options in the direction it can go Nathan2000
[05:21] <Rainb> who is worried?
[05:21] <Rainb> no one is worried
[05:21] <PaladinArcana> HAI GUIZE
[05:21] <Topper> worried? about what?
[05:21] <Nathan2000> Idea: Treebark's abilities don't match deer's; it's a problem, but also an opportunity -- he lags behind in some areas, but can exceed them in others.
[05:21] <PaladinArcana> WUT R WE GUNNA DU ABOT HASBRO?
[05:21] <Rainb> ....
[05:21] <Paladin> Either 1) We can delve directly into "Why is there a pone living among deer?" Which seems to be the current plotline
[05:21] <Topper> Ignore them. thats what..
[05:21] <PaladinArcana> Yeah.
[05:21] <Slashy> okay
[05:21] <Rainb> >ignoring will solve the probem
[05:21] <Rainb> yeaaaahhhhh no
[05:22] <Paladin> 2) Have it be an adventure and chance TB into an actual Deer, and have them learn some basic moral like "Don't stea;"
[05:22] <PaladinArcana> Oh god.
[05:22] <Paladin> steal*
[05:22] <PaladinArcana> I was being sarcastic.
[05:22] <Paladin> or 3) Some...thing else
[05:22] <Rainb> that's not a real moral
[05:22] <MileHigh> I figured if the deer are nomadic it explains why you don't see them.  but what if they're like hardcore naturalists and don't appreciate ponies cutting down trees and resources for their towns?
[05:22] <Rainb> there are very good reasons why you should steal
[05:22] <Topper> Well, its just a fan creation, with no one getting credit. They cant target people they cant see.
[05:23] <Slashy> Topper,
[05:23] <Slashy> Uhh
[05:23] <Rainb> or rather, why stealin is not actually bad
[05:23] <Slashy> Not entirely true
[05:23] <Rainb> (huehuehue)
[05:23] <Paladin> Well, liek what Nathatn2000?
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[05:23] <Topper> Naw, they can be kinda hippies, but not so much it detracts the story.
[05:23] <Paladin> Nathan2000*
[05:23] <Nathan2000> Hell if I know.
[05:24] <MileHigh> Well i figured it gives them a reason to not interact with the ponies and not having handed the kid over sooner.
[05:24] <Nathan2000> If he's a unicorn, he can become like an actual D&D druid.
[05:24] <Paladin> It's a cool idea but how would it add to the central plot
[05:24] <Paladin> Assuming you're picking a central plot
[05:25] <Nathan2000> Could be that he learns life in Ponyville and picks up some skills that later help him in life in the forest.
[05:25] <Nathan2000> Even save his herd.
[05:25] <Paladin> Milehigh it's an interesting idea, but then it kinda changes the plot to envirnmentalism
[05:26] <Paladin> That would maybe make sense if he was a unicorn
[05:26] <Stinkmeaner> Found the last thread if anyone wants it. http://www.mediafire.com/?rebx7nttrahba5g
[05:26] <MileHigh> Well maybe the plot could be about balance between environmentalism and industrialism....like maybe the deer try to sabotage a factory or something.
[05:26] <Paladin> Maybe he could make a magical mist so that deerkfold could get away
[05:27] <MileHigh> Like maybe it's not good to strip mine but you also need to let people live their lives as they've done what they must to get by.
[05:28] <MileHigh> But I dunno
[05:28] <Nathan2000> So Treebark is a bridge between environmentalist deer and industrialist ponies?
[05:28] <Topper> Ehh.. This strays off the issue of personal identity, a story on its own.
[05:28] <MileHigh> Just throwing it out there.
[05:28] <Topper> But maybe its what it needs to be interesting.
[05:29] <Paladin> Mmm, unless you can create a more compelling reason to turn the deerfolk into hardcore environmentalists, I don't think many people would go for that idea
[05:29] <Paladin> Nathan2000 We've just journeys into Avatar / Pocahantas
[05:30] <Paladin> It's actually a pretty interesting idea
[05:30] <Paladin> but you'd have to create some kind of conflict
[05:30] <Paladin> Ok, so they're touchy about their forests being cut down, now what?
[05:30] <Topper> I dont wanna rehash over a barrel, or do naturalists theme..
[05:31] <Paladin> Will it play out like the Buffulo vs. Appelusa?
[05:31] <Paladin> I mean, if done well enough, we can make it work
[05:31] <Topper> But there is a concept here thats interesting..
[05:31] <MileHigh> Well yeah, that's the thing it would've kind've already been done in buffalo appleoosa.
[05:31] <Paladin> but it might be too similar
[05:31] <MileHigh> But I figured it could give a reason as to why the kid suddenly appears...like say ponyville is having some kind've festival or something I haven't figured that out.
[05:32] <Paladin> So, this is a means for first contact
[05:32] <MileHigh> And it kind've facilitates a lot of resource hogging?  Eh I dunno....anyway the deer show up and try to stop it but get run off and the kid gets left behind homehow in the scuffle.
[05:32] <Paladin> but it's too complex
[05:32] <Stinkmeaner> I'm gonna have some pie, and by that mean another PBS-esque show
[05:32] <Stinkmeaner> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jArhlKrlP2g
[05:33] <MileHigh> And then we go to the whole fish out of water deer rehab or whatever for the kid.
[05:33] <MileHigh> and maybe he's finally coming around after a while and the deer try to get him to help them sabotage something.
[05:33] <MileHigh> Since he's got an in with them.
[05:33] <Topper> I dont know.. IF the deer are nomads, they would naturally come by town every couple of years.
[05:34] <Paladin> Mmmm
[05:34] <Topper> I dont want to portray the deer in any negative light like that.
[05:34] <Topper> It makes the end to predictable. and the episode boring overall.
[05:34] <MileHigh> So the kid maybe has to make a choice between helping his deer brethren or his new ponyville friends.
[05:34] <Paladin> So you're proposing it be deer pone vs. Equine empire
[05:35] <MileHigh> Eh maybe...I dunno like I said this is very rough in my head.  But I feel like there's a few ways it could be played.
[05:35] <MileHigh> Maybe the moral could be that they reach a compromise instead of having to sabotage each other.
[05:35] <Paladin> Yeah, but aside from a few differences, mainly Tb, it'd be really similar to Over a barrel
[05:36] <Paladin> It'd be like if Little Strong-heart was ont he Appleoosa's side instead
[05:36] <MileHigh> But in my mind the meat of the episode would be the deer kid being rehabilitated and this would just kind of be a skeleton to hold it together.
[05:36] <Paladin> And while that might be interesting, it might also be overtly comple
[05:36] <Paladin> x
[05:36] <MileHigh> Or attempted to be.
[05:36] <Topper> Yeah. I like that deer have a some grudge against "civilazation" but not so much they want to destroy it.
[05:37] <MileHigh> I mean I don't want to force some lame message down anybodies throat.  I just figured it could be a semi-plausible way to have this deer kid suddenly in ponyville.
[05:37] <MileHigh> And why they didn't just talk it out in the first place.
[05:38] <Paladin> It's becoming a little too political, would the deer really send someone they trusted to openly attack another species
[05:38] <Paladin> It just doesn't seem plausible
[05:38] <Topper> I think a good explanation will come from the deer nomad culture.
[05:38] <Stinkmeaner> What is Treebark's personality like, so far?
[05:39] <Topper> What if, the deer have a tradition of traveling to different parts of the world over a se period of time, because of tradtion and such.
[05:39] <Topper> They come by ponyville specifically every 8 years or so, as they gather herbs from the everfree.
[05:39] <Paladin> I'm ok with them not being ok with the destruction of their habitat, but ... at the same time, it feel like an extraneous piece of information that doesn't really serve a purpose in the story, unless we make the story about the envirnmentalism itself
[05:40] <Paladin> What if they have a migration cycle?
[05:40] <Topper> So TB would be around a young adult when they come back here, and it happens his family is from this town..
[05:40] <Paladin> What if they travel from forest to forest
[05:40] <RatChieftain> Rape
[05:40] <Topper> Yeah, a migration cycle. Thats what nomads have.
[05:40] <Paladin> a "hello" will suffice Rat
[05:40] <Nathan2000> That's why I tried to direct our outline with one of my previous comments. On what the episode should be about.
[05:41] <PaladinArcana> >rape
[05:41] <Paladin> -.-
[05:41] <Nathan2000> Some ideas don't require the protagonist to be a pony living with the deer.
[05:41] <RatChieftain> What if they travel a lot but their main village is in White-Til woods. Thus the name of the forest.
[05:41] <MileHigh> I thought that was the whole concept.
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[05:42] <Nathan2000> Yes, but it should go with the rest of the story.
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[05:42] <Paladin> So, anyways, I like the idea of TB being found by the deerfolk who migrated away for the winter or something, then came back and Fltrshy happens to stumble upon the herd mid migration
[05:42] <Rainb> oh, hey MileHigh
[05:43] <Paladin> It works, and Flutershy is a catalyst that begins the story
[05:43] <Nathan2000> Which is?
[05:43] <Topper> OH! Maybe, he was separated when his family was traveling/camping, but were unable to get together again. Deer find him, raise him. hm?
[05:43] <Paladin> Of course, this still depends on what we want the central idea behind the story to be
[05:44] <Topper> That could be the reason, anyways.
[05:44] <Paladin> Which is something we shoudl be discussing
[05:44] <MichaelBay> And the deer fly!, they have good relations with santa and Rudolph. But they turn into floating ghosts at night and every full moon they turn into serial killers hell bent on destroying Luna.
[05:44] <Nathan2000> Let's ignore him
[05:44] <Topper> no.
[05:44] <Paladin> That's a decent idea Topper
[05:44] <Paladin> Oh Michael... you so cray cray
[05:45] <Topper> It makes the most sense on to why he is living with them, and his parents gave up looking for him.
[05:45] <Paladin> Well, we must consider the scenario
[05:45] <Topper> Then they have another kid, then boom! He comes into town with the deer herd.
[05:45] <RatChieftain> We aren't going to get into his back story. We don't need to explain what happened to his parents. We can hint he was either orphaned, lost, abandoned and leave the viewer's imagination do the rest.
[05:45] <Topper> Episode ensures.
[05:45] <Paladin> They lost their child because of negligence?
[05:45] <Nathan2000> RatChieftain: this.
[05:46] <Paladin> Or becaue of unforseen forces
[05:46] <Paladin> Yes, but if he ever comes into contact with his real family we'd need an explination
[05:46] <Nathan2000> Unless those forces play part in the story, we shouldn't even mention them.
[05:46] <Topper> I think his backstory is central to the plot really. If the episode focuses on his decision, then there needs to be history shown.
[05:46] <RatChieftain> Like how the show hints the Apple siblings to be orphans, or Scootaloo as orphaned or abandoned.
[05:47] <RatChieftain> There are ways to hint that he was abandoned or orphaned without showing it.
[05:47] <Nathan2000> Now it's not important.
[05:47] <Stinkmeaner> How long is their break in ponyville suppose to be? Wouldn't wanna let the circus move out without the mane6(unless there's gonna be a climatic point). Unless you're going a little Dragon's Quest on this.
[05:47] <RatChieftain> It can be shown through concern for his family, or through insecurity.
[05:47] <Topper> If we dont show why he is with the deer folk then, the choice to stay with them will no longer be the main point of the episode.
[05:48] <RatChieftain> Obviously he's with them in the first place because they accepted him.
[05:48] <Topper> Yeah, but why?
[05:48] <Stinkmeaner> Falling in love with one of the deers could seem a tad cliche...
[05:48] <RatChieftain> Perhaps we can add a part where his parents let him know that they will always be their son no matter what and they respect his choice.
[05:49] <Topper> Thats the explanaation we need to give.
[05:49] <Paladin> But did they do it out of necessity or because his parents didn't want him?
[05:49] <RatChieftain> But to put a back story where he was abandoned or something would be 3edgy5u.
[05:49] <RatChieftain> Not fit for a kids show.
[05:49] <Topper> I know. Im not going for bambi here.
[05:49] <Paladin> It really wouldn't though, it could be an easy 1-2 minute flashback when he meets his parents
[05:50] <Topper> But if its too big an issue, then maybe his parents shouldnt be shown at all then. Only mentioned.
[05:50] <Stinkmeaner> Travelling along the world with the deer pack to find his original parents.....meh, sorta works...
[05:50] <Paladin> The reason he's with them in the first place has a HUGE effect on whether or not he stay with them
[05:51] <Nathan2000> Idea: he doesn't consider the deer his parents, but his pony parents discover him. The episode centers on difficulties of reintegrating with pony society.
[05:51] <Paladin> What if
[05:51] <Nathan2000> Or with no parents at all.
[05:51] <RatChieftain> Hmm, well, we should put that into consideration. We still have to time things, but we shouldn't get into detail untill a set skeleton of the episode is done. We still have no idea what we are going to do except that he's going to experiencing pony culture out of curiosity and that he has to make a choice..
[05:51] <Topper> Yeah. So is the episode about tarzan, adoption, or some natural message? We can focus on everything.
[05:52] <RatChieftain> Also, that little deal with Spike.
[05:52] <Paladin> He got separated from his parents somehow, (and lets assume both of them want to find each other) he finally finds his biological parents only to realize that the deerfolk have become his real family
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[05:52] <Topper> Yeah, thats what I was thinking.
[05:52] <RatChieftain> I was thinking that too.
[05:52] <Nathan2000> That's what absolutely everyone is thinking.
[05:52] <Topper> But they have an agreement to see each other whenever they come by again.
[05:52] <RatChieftain> It would be a remake of an AiE story though.
[05:53] <Paladin> I mean, that's pretty much the story arc now
[05:53] <Paladin> but at what point did he get seperated?
[05:53] <Nathan2000> You mean Anon in Equestria? I haven't read that.
[05:53] <Paladin> Does he remember his parents?
[05:53] <Topper> Very young, and barely.
[05:53] <Paladin> If not, the decision to stay with deer is easier
[05:53] <RatChieftain> In where Anon goes hunting and he finds a lost filly in the forest. He moves to Ponyville so he can send her to school but all the ponies hate him and bully his daughter and she hates him.
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[05:54] <Paladin> If he's got attachments to his parents, then the decision is more difficult and the audience is more invested int he outcome
[05:54] <RatChieftain> Then he saves her and she finally accepts him as her dad but they find her real parents after a few years so she has to make a choice.
[05:54] <Topper> Yeah, but the parents are crushed. Might be too sad, but its the logical outcome.
[05:54] <RatChieftain> The story ends before she makes the choice.
[05:54] <RatChieftain> It was up for the reader to decide.
[05:55] <Nathan2000> Pretty nice story.
[05:55] <Topper> Im crying. aw. But yeah, cool story.
[05:55] <RatChieftain> The story was pretty feels, and the writer took it down.
[05:55] <Paladin> I'm pretty sure that about the kind of story arc we're trying to make
[05:55] <RatChieftain> I can upload it though. I have all the ancient AiE threads.
[05:55] <RatChieftain> and stories.
[05:55] <Paladin> It couldn't hurt
[05:56] <Topper> It does sound similar to our supposed story.
[05:56] <Paladin> If you do make sure you bring it to the attention of those who need to know
[05:57] <RatChieftain> Ohh, the version I have in incomplete. Some people wanted the last part to be removed because they thought it was too depressing.
[05:57] <Paladin> lewl
[05:57] <RatChieftain> Also he gets with Cheerilee, who happens to be barren and can't have any kids of her own.
[05:58] <RatChieftain> http://pastebin.com/sihCefeY
[05:58] <Nathan2000> I was thinking on why Treebark wears fake antlers. I came to an idea that he wants to prove himself as a deer, but he's very insecure. The story could be about him accepting and embracing his differences.
[05:59] <Nathan2000> I'm very sleepy right now.
[05:59] <Paladin> "Ms. Cheerilee, how come you don't have a very special somepony?"
[05:59] <Paladin> Ouuuu.... right int he feels
[05:59] <RatChieftain> His insecurity could be that hint that he was abandoned.
[05:59] <RatChieftain> He wants to be exactly like the deer, becasue he doesn't want to be left alone again.
[05:59] <RatChieftain> No need for a flash back.
[06:00] <Topper> I guess that can work. Hinting at a backstory without showing it.
[06:00] <Paladin> but then the decision not to stay with the Ponies is already decided
[06:00] <Nathan2000> Is it?
[06:00] <RatChieftain> Not really.
[06:00] <Paladin> Yeah, if he was abandoned
[06:00] <Paladin> and he's presented with a choice to go back to ponyvilee or stay withe the deer...
[06:00] <RatChieftain> Being able to chose to go back with other like him where he doesn't need to pretend to be someone else=/=being left alone again.
[06:00] <Paladin> What's the obvious choice here?
[06:01] <RatChieftain> I'm sure the mane 6 especially pinkie pie would remove all doubt that he would feel lonely.
[06:02] <Paladin> Sure, but that could have been done ragardless of whether or not he was "abandoned"
[06:02] <Paladin> In this case we're agruing Should he stay with deerfolk with: emotional attachments vs. practicality
[06:02] <Topper> We may wanto show, then, that the deer already consider him family, but he still has an urge to prove himself.
[06:03] <Paladin> Emotional attachment wins almost automatically
[06:03] <Paladin> unless you throw soemthing else int he mix
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[06:04] <Paladin> It would be like taking a high paying job that you hate, over one that doesn't pay as much but you love being there
[06:04] <Paladin> For any no/mlp/erson this is no contest
[06:04] <Nathan2000> I've heard about people doing exactly that.
[06:04] <RatChieftain> This is where we even things out.
[06:05] <Nathan2000> They take high-paying jobs that they hate and then use the money to pay for things they like.
[06:05] <Paladin> Yeah, but if we're trying to make this about a moral, the decision is obvious
[06:05] <Paladin> well, about a "good moral"
[06:05] <RatChieftain> Sure he has a family, but what if the other fawns don't let him play in any reindeer games, so to speak?
[06:05] <Paladin> So he's being accepted but ostrocized?
[06:06] <Paladin> that's ... I dunno, it works, but it's starting to get complicated
[06:06] <Topper> Nah, maybe ostrocized by bullies or something, but generally loved. Its not a large nomad group, is it?
[06:06] <RatChieftain> What if his parents are the only emotional attachment and he feels like he really doesn't belong. That is until he finds out he doesn't really fit in with the ponies either after giving them a chance.
[06:06] <Paladin> We want our story to have DEPTH, but we do not want our story to be complex
[06:07] <Paladin> http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/depth-vs.-complexity
[06:07] <Paladin> Check it
[06:07] <Paladin> This talks about video games, but it applies to storytelling as a whole
[06:07] <Paladin> This is something ALL of use REALLY need to be aware of
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[06:08] <Nathan2000> That's it for me. I'm going to sleep.
[06:08] <Nathan2000> Bye.
[06:08] <Paladin> Ok, g'night Nathan
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[06:14] <Paladin> I hope that sheds some light on what we should be trying to do in our story too
[06:14] <Paladin> We should have the simplest idea possible, and make it a meaningful as possible
[06:15] <Paladin> I gotta go do the dishes, I'll brb
[06:15] <RatChieftain> Alright, and I agree with you.
[06:15] <RatChieftain> I'm going to shower and eat breakfast.
[06:19] <Stinkmeaner> I still wonder why the heck didn't /mlp/ start off with a free for all concept, instead of trying to work with a pre-determined one.
[06:20] <PaladinArcana> As am I.
[06:20] <froglegstew> I think they figure it'll have more credibility if it was once considered by the actual writers.
[06:20] <PaladinArcana> But that's just how the people who lunged for power in the project decided it to be.
[06:20] <froglegstew> But I dunno
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[06:21] <MileHigh> I'm getting the impression this episode was scrapped for a reason.
[06:21] <PaladinArcana> It's a difficult angle to work with.
[06:22] <Paladin> Milehigh EXACTLY
[06:22] <Paladin> Don't get me wrong, I think it's still doable
[06:22] <Paladin> but it's going to be difficult
[06:23] <Paladin> Can we do it? Sure, if we can pull our heads out of our asses
[06:23] <Paladin> Will we do it ... I don't know
[06:23] <~ForA1000Years> To be fair, it was discussed before people knew the characters of MLP:FiM, at the very beginning.
[06:23] <Paladin> What was discussed?
[06:24] <Topper> Yeah, its possible, but this is just a delicate topic to pick on, without going crazy in expostion and the show's theme. Its too sad, or too shallow, depending how it turns.
[06:25] <Paladin> Topper's right, it's going to have to be a very difficult balancing act
[06:25] <Paladin> I think it's possible but we're really going to have to collaborate and not be afraid to tell each other if something doesn't make sense, or won't add to the story
[06:25] <Paladin> or is, in general a bad direction
[06:26] <Paladin> The pro's at Hasbro aren't
[06:26] <Paladin> neither should we
[06:26] <Paladin> and we're not constrained by corporate execs
[06:26] <Topper> Yep.  We need to get all the contributors on the same page.
[06:27] <Topper> Yeah, we all have a common goal to make this great.
[06:27] <Topper> No need to fight about sticking to an idea.
[06:27] <Paladin> Well, what we could really use is orgonization, because everyone shouting over one another like earlier when th meeting started, wasn't helping anyone
[06:27] <Paladin> Where's our Twilight Sparckle when we need her
[06:28] <Paladin> Sparkle*
[06:28] <Topper> Heh. We need some sort of large writing board really.
[06:29] <PaladinArcana> Flue Tei-Shai.
[06:29] <Topper> A place to write ideas, have people look at them, then think of some more.
[06:29] <Topper> Then we build on ones that people think are good.
[06:30] <Topper> ...actually. a mopad might work in this scenariao.
[06:30] <Paladin> We need like an equivalent of a virtual black board
[06:30] <Topper> Do you know how to work a mopad?
[06:30] <Paladin> No, what is it?
[06:30] <Rainb> ....
[06:30] <PaladinArcana> We tried a mopad.
[06:30] <PaladinArcana> We got hitler bombed.
[06:30] <Topper> Did we?
[06:30] <Paladin> We got what?
[06:30] <Topper> That sucks..
[06:31] <Paladin> OH
[06:31] <Paladin> One of those things where everyone can edit ti?
[06:31] <Paladin> See, I feel like we need something like google hangout
[06:31] <Paladin> Hang on...
[06:32] <Topper> Yeah, that. It is like a a place to put ideas, but we need people to not screw it up.
[06:33] <Paladin> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6b0b7c4eb1b23e99a05aaadf2c1f2679c88b7f7a?gpsrc=selm0&utm_medium=embd&enfplm&utm_campaign=lrnmre&utm_source=lmnavbr&rtsl=1&hl=en
[06:33] <Paladin> See if that works
[06:33] <Paladin> Careful cause your g-mail name will come up
[06:33] <Paladin> so, go anon if you need to
[06:35] <Topper> Hmm.. is there an easy way to go anon without making another account?