Women and Sexism? The Wage gap? etc?
Person A
1 in 5 and gender pay gap have not been debunked. Educate yourself. I am sick and tired of having to teach reactionaries like you these stuffs.
The gender pay gap does exist. There's a significant unexplained factor (which is probably discrimination), and most "factors that the gap doesn't correct for" (i.e occupational choices) are discriminatory factors in and of themselves. Case in point, the very well documented tendency of discouraging women to pursue STEM fields.
As for 1 in 5, it includes non-report rates, something the statistics conservatives cite in response do not account for. In fact, when MRAs and conservatives mention the under-servicing of male rape victims, they use these same batch of statistics they derided earlier, often using a gas-lighting mechanism to escape ("Oh but these statistics are wrong and you just proved it!" "But you just used them to prove your point about male rape victims!").
Person B
A gender pay gap certainly exists, but it's not between Men and Women but between Mothers and Fathers and has nothing to do with discrimination. There have been many studies, I would love to send them to you, about it Study 1 and Study 2
As I said before, Women and Men function differently when it comes to their neurochemistry. The different sexual psychologies lead to different choices. Most Women prefer careers that don't allow a person to work a normal schedule like medicine (ta dah), politics, law... (Study 3)
Another big part of it is scalability of careers. Most jobs occupied by Women, such as nursing, teaching, etc. that primarily deals with people are extremely hard to quantify, whereas work that most Men prefer are much more easily quantifiable and therefore scalable.
So there's your unknown explanation that had been suggested a long time ago, ignored for its lack of substantiation, and righteously so, but that has since been observed time and time again in demographic studies.
As for the 1 in 5, the "research" was basically statistics based on a study which included members of 2 universities, with less than 5500 Women. This is NOT an accurate sample. Furthermore, the study, which was actually a 20 minute web survey and the questions were very poorly worded. One example is a questions which asks whether they have experienced sexual activity while they were unable to provide consent because they were incapacitated, inebriated, drugged, etc. and if the answer was yes, it counted towards rape. Having sex while drunk is very common and people would answer this questions with a yes without it being even a close indicator of actual rape.
Other questions also asked about events that they were unsure about and counted it as well.
The statistics are correct, the interpretation isn't. You look into any other study being done and it doesn't add up.
Person A
Maybe women just choose what they choose! And that’s a point of view that lacks...sense, to put it mildly. Because to think that you need to think those things are innate. And they’re not. We have no evidence of it. And if they’re not innate- then they’re influenced by society. So men are not just better, there are sexist reasons why that may be the case (Alison with just straight up sexism, because men are held to lower standards in the workplace, but alright). And women don’t just choose things- those choices are influenced by society. And that society has a long, long history of sexism.
Person B
There is evidence to support both. I don't see why it's so hard to believe that two, slightly, different organisms, anatomically and biochemically, who have been shown, statistically, to perform better at interpersonal sensitivity tasks and relationship-driven jobs, which are also in agreement with the statistics shown on different personality traits between the sexes, are indeed innately different. No form of life is static, evolution happens and the male/female evolution isn't the same. They're closely tied together but they are indeed different biologically and as such their small evolutive differences are going to be different. To assume that both men and women have evolved into the exact same neurochemical response than men is being extremely naive and disregarding studies that have shown that on average, female brains ARE different than male brains, even if we don't know what that differences mean.
I've never disregarded social impact, but to say that there is no innate characteristic that plays a role is simply naive, I don't know how else to put it. You CAN say that the world as it is now, and the way men and women are, HAS BEEN influenced by sexism, A LOT. The way people have evolved are very likely the direct cause of sexism, as women and men who "behaved" within their role were more successful and more prone to having a decent life where a big family was possible and as such the propagation of certain genetic characteristics was more dominant.
Consider that every single thing you do, and when I mean you I mean your whole body, from temperature regulation to replication, to synaptical neurtransmission, etc.., is simply a response to stimuli. Many stimuli are external, such as pressure, temperature, etc, but many are internal, differentiation, respiration, kinase-mediated responses, apoptosis, etc...
You are always reacting to internal and external signals. However, they're not isolated. External signals can trigger internal ones, like bad whether triggering an emotional response. But in the same way that external signals interact with each other, internal signals do too. So for every external signal you're receiving, which are millions and millions of them, there's an internal response (mostly), which triggers many other responses internally. That's present in what you call "free will". Every choice we make, every single thing we do, is a simple reaction to the collection of internal and external variables interacting together. In theory, if we could measure ALL of these variables and simulate the entire neurochemical response to all of them, we could completely predict every single action that person takes.
Considering this, is it possible that the small observable differences between men and women, as well as the BIG ones (Anatomically speaking they're very different, as well as in some biological aspects, both which changes, in ways that have and cannot be understood quite yet, the consistency and the way that external signals are interpreted and the way that they react with each other internally), do in fact contribute to the a different psychological development, leading to different personality traits which can drive their lifestyle?
-Yes. Not only is it possible, it's probable...
I focused on Women, but the exact same thing can be said for Men.
Consider creating a completely new world, isolated from the one we live in. A complete replica of ours. Placing a representative sample of babies, girls and boys, inside of it, in every country. Have people go in once a week for health checks as well as functional MRIs, brain and body CTs, etc.. Place people to raise them, too, but to try not to influence them, simply giving them food, until they learn how to eat and drink on their own by having a place where food goes (and the people who take care of them need to be switched from another sample so as to not influence the kids' perception of people in a biased way). They grow up, they don't know much, but they figure out how to use their bodies, how to stand, walk, eat, etc. Leave them be for a couple years and hopefully, if they don't all die, they will have started to socialize in a very primitive way. Hopefully by the point they're adult, we should have a nice collection of brain evolution. Now leave them be for enough time... What do you expect to observe and what differences are you expecting there to be?
I would say, with no reservations, that if the external conditions were close enough to the real ones, that they would evolve into the same kind of society that we see.
You see, I am considering that these social factors and the external environment, is simply an established product of the collection of biochemical reactions occurring in the bodies of billions of people before. Tracing the origins of these societal standard, or even the origins of society, one would find that the neurochemistry of men and women, which was extremely similar, evolved in slightly different way, but ultimately, that difference is exactly what favored the development of our society, as it is.
