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21:05	Kiri	I think Mewtwo is just weird like that.
21:05	Kiddo	Mewtwo is kinda weird in general, being a man-made "Legendary"
21:05	Leafia_Barrett	the consensus reached by the game is that Dialga overrides Celebi outright
21:06	Kiddo	I mean, heck, technically the idea of a man-made legendary doesn't make sense.
21:06	Kiri	It couldn't be more obvious that Mewtwo is 'manmade' and thus isn't a Legend in the proper sense.
21:06	Leafia_Barrett	and can literally rip her back into a spot in time if she tries to travel
21:06	eXcavator	I mean he was originally the ultimate pokemon
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21:06	Leafia_Barrett	Mewtwo is legendary because he's just that fucking strong
21:06	eXcavator	since there was no other gen 1 pokemon that could come even close
21:06	Kiddo	Legendaries are meant to be shrouded in mystery, but Mewtwo is a highly-documented and engineered lifeform by scientists.
21:06	Kiri	I think he's just considered a legend because he's fucking amazing.
21:06	eXcavator	and iircc he was actually stronger in gen 1
21:06	Leafia_Barrett	the only reason he isn't a force of nature is that he doesn't want to be
21:06	eXcavator	but he's still ridiculously op
21:06	Kiri	Like, if the label fits, slap it on.
21:06	Leafia_Barrett	he had equivalent 754 BST in Gen 1
21:06	Kiddo	I suppose.
21:07	Leafia_Barrett	that kinda shit makes Arceus blush
21:07	Leafia_Barrett	(154 SpA/154 SpD)
21:07	Kiri	Even now his Megas are fuckin' shaming Arceus.
21:07	Leafia_Barrett	The Megas are putting Arceus even MORE to shame
21:07	Leafia_Barrett	780 BST
21:07	Leafia_Barrett	or is it 770
21:07	Kiri	Frankly the fact that the world is not yet fire is a godsend for the people.
21:07	Leafia_Barrett	I think it's 780
21:07	Kiri	I think 780 sounds right.
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21:07	Leafia_Barrett	it's Mewtwo's BST + 100
21:08	eXcavator	I always classified legendaries by base power tbh
21:08	Kiri	And Mewtwo's was 680 I think.
21:08	Kiri	Meanwhile going back to what I said about Legends needing to be gods, what the hell is Manaphy?
21:08	Leafia_Barrett	the fact that the world isn't yet fire is because there are a great deal more pokemon that wish to see the world remain intact
21:08	Kiri	The god of sea travel?
21:08	Leafia_Barrett	because they kinda count on it to exist
21:08	Leafia_Barrett	Manaphy is mythical
21:08	Kiri	The center of all sailor religions.
21:09	Kiri	And let's not even start on Phione, not even official sources can agree on that one.
21:09	Leafia_Barrett	there are some pokemon where the distinction is not clear
21:09	Kiddo	Manaphy can also breed.
21:09	Leafia_Barrett	whether they're one or the other
21:09	Leafia_Barrett	Manaphy is not one of those pokemon
21:09	Kiddo	And considering he doesn't have adefined gender...
21:09		Nimono hugs kiddo
21:09	Kiddo	Maybe Manaphy's meant to be some joke about Sailors out at sea.
21:09	Kiddo	... o.o;;; AWKWARD TIMING, NIMONO.
21:09	Nimono	lol
21:09	Kiri	I want to hear a Manaphy curse like a sailor now,
21:09	Leafia_Barrett	haha
21:09	eXcavator	like uh
21:09	eXcavator	regigigas?
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21:10	Kiri	The Regis are a good question actually.
21:10	eXcavator	it doesn't directly control anything but I think it mentioned something about it being able to move continents
21:10	eXcavator	I think the other 3 regis would def be mythical
21:10	Leafia_Barrett	Regigigas falls under legendary because what eX said
21:10	eXcavator	they can't even escape from stupid braille caves
21:10	Leafia_Barrett	the other Regis I'm not so sure on
21:10	eXcavator	(dumbest part of rse)
21:10	Kiri	I think my guess is that Regigigas is a God of like contintental shift or whatever
21:11	Kiri	And he made his little Regis to be gods of Rock, Ice and Steel.
21:11	Leafia_Barrett	they kinda report to Regigigas in hierarchy
21:11	eXcavator	(who even reads braille who isn't blind)
21:11	Kiri	Or something.
21:11	eXcavator	hey maybe the regis are blind
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21:11	eXcavator	that would make a lot of sense
21:11	Kiri	Well they don't have eyes.
21:11	Leafia_Barrett	I dunno
21:11	Leafia_Barrett	I always thought the dots were eyes
21:11	eXcavator	but they have lock on to target things
21:11	eXcavator	but they need the writing in their caves to be braille
21:11	Kiri	That's why they learn Lock-On, to compensate for utter blindness.
21:11	Leafia_Barrett	who says they needed it
21:12	Leafia_Barrett	Even once you opened the caves, they didn't look like they were exactly in a hurry to leave
21:12	eXcavator	true
21:12	Leafia_Barrett	maybe they were in hibernation too, like Regigigas
21:12	Kiri	Regirock with Hustle, the joke being that he just throws punches harder because he can't fuckin' see.
21:12	Leafia_Barrett	just not as deep of one
21:12	Leafia_Barrett	or maybe they kinda just didn't give a fuck until some random kid came along and screwed with them
21:13	Kiri	I think it's safe to say the Swords are Mewtwo type 'Legend in name only' things too, right?
21:13	eXcavator	the four musketeers? (that don't even have muskets)
21:13	Kiri	Like, they're literally just the Three Musketeers of Pokemon and there happens to be only one of each of them.
21:13	eXcavator	well I remember hearing that the different legendary groups from gen 5
21:14	Leafia_Barrett	I don't know what they are
21:14	eXcavator	represented different cultures
21:14	eXcavator	because of the multiculturality of unova
21:14	Kiri	Virizion, Cobalion, Terrakion, Keldeo?
21:14	Leafia_Barrett	they appear to fit under Mythical better than Legendary
21:14	eXcavator	and those 4 represent france
21:15	eXcavator	kami trio could be considered borderline
21:15	Kiri	Meanwhile Genesect is pretty much just Mewtwo but a bug and cybernetic.
21:15	eXcavator	although they control weather
21:15	Kiri	I think they're weather and fertility gods, yeah.
21:15	eXcavator	...except maybe landy
21:15	Kiri	Thus Legends.
21:15	eXcavator	I dunno what the fuck he controls
21:15	eXcavator	not weather
21:15	Kiri	No, Landorus is fertility.
21:15	eXcavator	I guess crops and shit
21:15	Kiri	I wanna see him broing out with Shaymin now.
21:16	Leafia_Barrett	winds, storms, and fertility
21:16	Leafia_Barrett	yeah, I guess they do fit under Legendary better
21:18	Kiri	And again, Genesect is pretty much just Plasma's answer to Mewtwo.
21:18	Kiri	Just 'Hey, these things were a thing back in prehistory, let's bring one back to life and give it a cyber suit of armor'.
21:18	Kiri	'What if we stuck a cannon on its back?'
21:18	Kiri	'YOU'RE A GODDAMN GENIUS PHIL! I'm giving you a raise!'
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21:22	Leafia_Barrett	21:18 Kiri	'YOU'RE A GODDAMN GENIUS PHIL! I'm giving you a raise!'
21:22	Leafia_Barrett	well it worked, didn't it?
21:23	Kiri	I'd normally say 'well fuck yeah, cannons are awesome'
21:23	Kiri	But on Genesect all it gave him was a signature move outclassed 90% of the time or whatever,
21:23	Kiri	Actually wait, did they buff Techno Blast in this game?
21:24	Kiri	If not, why do I think that suddenly?
21:25	Azure	they did
21:25	Azure	but competitive players still hate it because it means you use up your life orb / choice scarf slot
21:25	Kiri	Yeah, true, I guess.
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21:27	Kiri	Well, if you have something else with a Life Orb, I guess that way you don't have to feel weird giving it, like... an Insect Plate out of just lack of options.
21:30	sonicspin	hi
21:33	Kalir	comp players are dorks
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