Disaster AreaToday at 22:27
what did you think of my play anyway was it ok :joy:
always aiming to be better
even tho i won 2-0 vs a decent opponent when i got froze early both games
still
RaishToday at 22:28
Yeah pareto optimal play as far as i can tell
Disaster AreaToday at 22:28
:grin:
RaishToday at 22:29
The major moments I would have made a different play, yours achieved similar results usually
There was 1 series that resulted in a net loss while trying to save a mon
And out you back in the same spot down resources
+but there was a chance for it to work
Disaster AreaToday at 22:30
what spot was that
RaishToday at 22:34
actually wasnt pure loss
you lost low health zam
in exchange for opportunity to boom lax for benefit
but putting in zam straight after kill rather than tauros
cost you the zm
zam
turn 39
like why did you play tauros there
rather than zam
Disaster AreaToday at 22:38
well i didnt need para on chansey but hmm
yeah maybe zam was the play idk
RaishToday at 22:38
yeah it could heal up vs chansey
if you would switch to zam on chansey anyway
Disaster AreaToday at 22:38
could stoss vs egg psychic vs tauros and attack vs chans too
mm
RaishToday at 22:38
or attack either way
Disaster AreaToday at 22:38
yeah i think youre right
that it was a misplay
RaishToday at 22:38
but yeah just that 1 choice was outclassed in teh whole game
would tauros have stayed in vs eggy?
prbably not
and vs tauros, if you're going to beam, zam still better. only better if you're going to slam
to avoid switch
unless they don't switch beam out of fear
but unneeded risk on that play
although high reward
Disaster AreaToday at 22:43
for what its worth
part of my thinking with the zam switch
was that it was a roll for chans to KO there too
but well
RaishToday at 22:44
ah ok I didnt know dmg
Disaster AreaToday at 22:44
hm i was thinking
if i went vic and he went tauros
then thats not great i go zam sack there then bring in my own tauros and slam but he can go egg then i dont have fodder
if he goes chans or egg i can at least bring in zam to sack and force the matchup i want
RaishToday at 22:44
yeah vic had a losing outplay
Disaster AreaToday at 22:44
so maybe it was zam not tauros
since zam vs tauros is also fine
RaishToday at 22:45
yeah he gets an easier switch out but you get some tempo
if you spec fall chansey guaranteed heal
Disaster AreaToday at 22:45
yup
RaishToday at 22:45
even through traded paras
Disaster AreaToday at 22:45
well
i wouldnt be paraing chansey w zam
even if i could
RaishToday at 22:46
oops yeah
lol
not in that situ
Disaster AreaToday at 22:46
i mean yeah like really all i can do is spam psychic and recover
RaishToday at 22:46
yeah but that's still relevant
Disaster AreaToday at 22:46
but realistically zam can die without chans being at full most of the time which is all it really wants but
if chans is at full and then he switches in tauros on a recover / anticipated recover + I  FP
then that's bad
cos then even after i get to retaliate w tauros
he can still have his own tauros + egg to beat me with
like sack chans then go egg and land sleep powder
and then i lose
RaishToday at 22:48
so you're saying 86 vs 100 is very meaningful?
for chans
Disaster AreaToday at 22:48
hmm
actually i guess not so much but
so with zam i really just needed
it to actually die to chansey
and not let tauros in
RaishToday at 22:48
yeah die on a turn you psychic
Disaster AreaToday at 22:48
if tauros comes in
then i lose more often than not
cos then i cant bring vic back in im forced tauros
RaishToday at 22:49
but up 100% to 43
you can double slam
oh but then vic has trouble
yeah
but still same situation presented as here actually
basically he misplayed by killing zam
Disaster AreaToday at 22:50
yup
RaishToday at 22:50
so the play could have been good mental bait
cuz it made him take that opportunity to let vic in
but
if he realized that, could tried to either set up a para or freeze for tauros switch
and still starting zam vs switching it in are similar
so yeah vs a perfect player your play was suboptimal
but vs a human it baited him giving you the tempo you needed to finish
Disaster AreaToday at 22:53
well
im not sure actually
if maybe tauros is right
cos if i have tauros vs tauros
at least its actually painful for him to switch
RaishToday at 22:53
if he switches egg into noncrit beam you lose
Disaster AreaToday at 22:53
whereas w zam we just end up where i ended up
well
no i can just bslam
RaishToday at 22:54
yeah
Disaster AreaToday at 22:54
i live slam slam beam
its just a question of if he goes desperation move
but if i have tauros vs tauros
RaishToday at 22:54
I mentioned that before haha as the only good situation out of his 3 options
Disaster AreaToday at 22:54
i bslam
RaishToday at 22:54
so yeah not strict misplay because more pressure in 1/3 cases
and because in action baited him