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	Cubewarrior	Hey
	Cubewarrior	So lets get straight to it, we'd like to do our community cup semi-final next saturday(20th of aug)
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	Cubewarrior	Hii.
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	Cubewarrior	Alright sooo, saturday 20th august as a date for community cup semi is good for you guys?
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	Cubewarrior	Ayush_s92, ready to talk?
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	GITS	If you're not going to respond i've got better things to do.
	Cubewarrior	hama i don't think we can see what they're saying
	Cubewarrior	lets try #iivstr
	GITS	Oh wait
	Cubewarrior	or wut
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	GITS	adeel put that mode on
	Ayush_S92	Okay
	Nty_Shez_Fat	whattup homies
	Ayush_S92	Yes, so saturday is good for us
	Cubewarrior	sweet.
	Nty_Shez_Fat	affirmative
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	Cubewarrior	Seeing as we have alot of esters, we were looking for around 10pm gmt
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	Ayush_S92	That means, 3.30am for us, certainly not possible
	Cubewarrior	Ugh
	Nty_Shez_Fat	Offer decent timings atleast lol
	Cubewarrior	Sorry but it is the weekend, nothing like late night scaping lol
	Cubewarrior	9pm gmt is 2:30am ,come onnn
	Ayush_S92	Lol, we won't even pull 5 people
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	Cubewarrior	Ughhh, the problem with earlier gmt times for us is alot of people are very busy especially on the weekend
	Cubewarrior	esters in particular
	Ayush_S92	And we don't have vacations like most other countries
	Ayush_S92	Our vacations got over a month back
	Bow_King_Joe	you have a national holiday tommorow i believe
	Ayush_S92	Yes
	Evenstar8888	Bow_King_Joe erm how is it related to sat war?
	Bow_King_Joe	its not
	Cubewarrior	Listen we could try 8pm gmt but we'd be missing a large number of ACTIVE members.
	Evenstar8888	8pm gmt we will miss whole clan tbh
	Nty_Shez_Fat	^
	Cubewarrior	Why?
	Ayush_S92	Good for us would be 10am GMT
	Cubewarrior	You guys are gmt + what?
	Ayush_S92	Not idea
	Evenstar8888	8pm gmt is 1.30am for us
	Ayush_S92	ideal*
	Ayush_S92	but good enough
	Evenstar8888	gmt+5.30
	Cubewarrior	i see
	GITS	people are more likely to stay up long on a weekend than wake up early
	Evenstar8888	not really we have tutorials on sunday
	Evenstar8888	and exams-.-"
	Cubewarrior	i'm sure people would be pumped enough to stay up an hour later to fight tr
	Ayush_S92	An hour, yes I believe so
	Ayush_S92	but the timings you offer are way more than an hour from the normal timings
	Ayush_S92	We usually war at afternoon with eu clans and evenings for most est
	Cubewarrior	we can't war in the afternoon we'd pull around 5 people, people just aren't around for us
	Ayush_S92	What is your % breakdown of est/gmt?
	Cubewarrior	Erm I don't have exact figures lol, but we have almost have our players coming from est
	Ayush_S92	Sorry? Didn't get you
	Bow_King_Joe	40% EST 60% GMT roughly
	Ayush_S92	And no need to be accurate, just an approx
	Ayush_S92	Ah..
	Bow_King_Joe	cube, darth did that poll a couple months ago
	Bow_King_Joe	ill find out the exact figure actually
	Bow_King_Joe	lol, 60% EST, 40% GMT
	Cubewarrior	no, 59%
	Cubewarrior	nub
	Bow_King_Joe	troll...
	Nty_Shez_Fat	Rofl he just asked for an estimate , relax brah
	Ayush_S92	Well, this can be tough then
	Bow_King_Joe	evidently
	Cubewarrior	Yeah, really awkward timezone differences =_=
	Ayush_S92	It's really impossible for us to war that late...
	Cubewarrior	equally impossibly for us to war earlier >.<
	Cubewarrior	hmmm
	Cubewarrior	Come on, 8pm GMT, that's actually late for our gmters and a bit early for our est memberbase, a time hard enough as it is
	Ayush_S92	1.30am ist..that's too late for 100% of our members lol
	GITS	Not really
	Cubewarrior	01:30am on a saturday, on a weekend..
	GITS	not everyone is indian in your clan
	Bow_King_Joe	you dont have to be indian to join II
	Ayush_S92	Yes, that is correct
	Ayush_S92	But most people are
	Cubewarrior	That gives you an greater flexibility with times.
	Cubewarrior	*a greater.
	Ayush_S92	How does it?
	Bow_King_Joe	if you're 100% indian, you have fixed times
	Bow_King_Joe	if you're not, you dont
	Cubewarrior	if you have non indians who can war in timezones such as est/gmt, then you can war later
	Ayush_S92	War without even 1 of our leader? Because all of them are Indians living in India.
	Ayush_S92	And 90% are Asians anyways
	Bow_King_Joe	so 1 of your leaders wouldnt be able to stay up late on a saturday?
	Ayush_S92	I don't believe 1 leader would suffice in such a war
	Cubewarrior	You have a whole week before this war, train some more leaders
	Bow_King_Joe	wasnt even a need for :p, thats good advice
	Ayush_S92	Meh..even the leaders we have aren't properly trained tbh lol
	Ayush_S92	No offense Nty
	Bow_King_Joe	thats not our fault
	Ayush_S92	Not said it was
	Cubewarrior	come on, I mean surely alot of people are allowed to stay up late, and yeah we can't really bring the ability of fall in leaders here into the equation lol
	Bow_King_Joe	so your inability to bring more than 1 leader shouldnt affect the war time
	Bow_King_Joe	if what you say is true that is
	Ayush_S92	I certainly think leader>no leader
	Ayush_S92	No matter what the caliber of the lead is
	Cubewarrior	That's 100% true
	Bow_King_Joe	yep
	Cubewarrior	I don't want to ask for 19:30pm gmt, but i don't think we have much of a choice in this problem, so 19:30pm gmt.
	Bow_King_Joe	-.-.....
	Bow_King_Joe	holy said not to do that...
	Ayush_S92	That is still 1 am for us...
	GITS	another early cup war :L
	Cubewarrior	I seriously don't think i can offer any more than 30 mins beyond that, i'm going against my own leaders strict time order, as well as what people have said about the early wars we've already had in the last few weeks
	Bow_King_Joe	lol, you're gonna get de-ranked, and i shall be the top warlord, mwuahaha
	Ayush_S92	1pm GMT is as far I can go as well...
	Ayush_S92	So, that's quite a difference
	Bow_King_Joe	1pm GMT is 6.30pm for you, you can go further
	GITS	1pm gmt is as far as you can go?
	GITS	you've warred later and pulled 40+
	Ayush_S92	Our pull will fall drastically if I do
	GITS	while ours is around 35
	Ayush_S92	Yea, that pull wasn't too good for the war
	Ayush_S92	we had
	Bow_King_Joe	lol, you're asking 59% of our clan to turn up at 9am
	Ayush_S92	And if I'm right you guys have also warred at earlier times many a times
	Cubewarrior	WHat you mean a whole year ago and that was against II lol
	Bow_King_Joe	please name an occasion where that's happened?
	Ayush_S92	Not talking of that actually
	Ayush_S92	Saw your RCW tourny negotiations
	Bow_King_Joe	link me
	Bow_King_Joe	or do you have a picture or anything?
	GITS	the tourny that didn't even start...
	Ayush_S92	Na it must be there in the RCW thread
	GITS	lol
	Bow_King_Joe	no pic no proof lol
	Ayush_S92	The first round, both time did
	Cubewarrior	In the past year we've never done wars before 7pm gmt and pulls have been in the 20s
	Cubewarrior	*actual wars
	Cubewarrior	as in cwa
	Ayush_S92	We did war once in RCW, it was about 7pm IST, you still pulled 24 lol
	Ayush_S92	And thrashed us
	Bow_King_Joe	pic?
	Ayush_S92	Meh...I don't go around with a camera lol
	Cubewarrior	i actually remember warring you guys in rcw, and that was not at 1:30pm my time
	GITS	lol i know someone who does go around with one
	GITS	--.-
	Bow_King_Joe	ok
	Bow_King_Joe	back to the topic
	Bow_King_Joe	the lowest we're going is 7.30pm GMT (according to cube...)
	Cubewarrior	Wait how can 1pm gmt be as far as you can go when your last few wars have been 2-3pm gmt
	Bow_King_Joe	8pm GMT according to our leaders
	Ayush_S92	Bst
	Ayush_S92	one hour difference
	Ayush_S92	and they were pure EST
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	Cubewarrior	If you think about it, as a majority, people are willing to STAY UP late especially for big events, rather than get up early, getting up early just doesn't happen lol
	Cubewarrior	People stay up if needed and, they'll stay up for an hour longer for a fight with tr i bet
	Or_Else	what's the latest you're willing to go ayush?
	Ayush_S92	An hour, as I sais might be possible
	Ayush_S92	but this is way beyond an hour
	Ayush_S92	and come on waking up doesn't happen? People go to school/college I'm sure they can wake up
	Or_Else	what time is late for you ayush? gmt wise
	Ayush_S92	for one day for this evemt..
	Ayush_S92	Late as in?
	Or_Else	too late for you to be able to war
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	Ayush_S92	MAX I can go is 2pm GMT
	Ayush_S92	or 3pm BST as it is
	GITS	you pull 45+ at 3pm gmt
	Or_Else	so you're saying that no-one in your clan will be able to war past 7.30pm IST?
	GITS	that's more than we pull at our normal times
	Cubewarrior	that pull ^ is early jcup stages
	Or_Else	as in, they have to sleep at 8pm IST?
	Cubewarrior	i bet you can get alot more than that even a bit later than your norm for vs tr
	Ayush_S92	Oh don't worry about early or later..that pull ain't going up
	Ayush_S92	Agreed people are pumped about tr, but MM was equally important
	Or_Else	you warred MM before FOE
	Ayush_S92	We were massing for a 100 people from MM war
	Or_Else	and you pulled higher foe FOE
	Or_Else	for foe*
	Or_Else	so by that fact, the later the better
	Ayush_S92	yea, people are lazy...that's why I keep 1 hour masses
	Ayush_S92	Not really, yesterday we had a festival
	Ayush_S92	So, whenever they finished with it they must have come online
	Or_Else	anyway, you're saying, that on a saturday night, you wont be able to war, at 8pm your time?
	Ayush_S92	Are you proposing 8pm?
	Or_Else	no
	Or_Else	i'm just saying that your clan must be able to stay up late
	Or_Else	at least to 7.30pm GMT
	Ayush_S92	I told you that is 1am...
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	Cubewarrior	Come on, it's the weekend man, people do stay up late!
	Ayush_S92	Not really lol
	Ayush_S92	Maximum about 10-12 people are there at 12 midnight for us
	Cubewarrior	Are Indians completely different to all other rsers?
	Ayush_S92	1am is even more
	Cubewarrior	that's because there's been no event
	Cubewarrior	when we have no events planned people aren't around lol, even at our prime times
	Ayush_S92	Yea, and if I were to ever do an event at that time my clan will rage the hell out at me lol
	Cubewarrior	if people know they have a massive war against tr, at night, they will come
	Ayush_S92	Especially an event such as this
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	GITS	lol
	Ayush_S92
	Cubewarrior	We all have to take risks in this cup, i've already taken a hurdle by offering times below 8pm gmt =_=
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	Ayush_S92	Lol, what you are asking is not a risk it is a suicide for us
	Cubewarrior	All you have to do is ask for your indian members to stay up a bit late...
	Cubewarrior	on a saturday night.
	GITS	nah
	GITS	suicide is when you go in gwd with no arm
	Ayush_S92	Well, same way all you have to do is ask your members to wake up earlier one day, just like a normal weekday
	GITS	off topic, my bad
	GITS	people have work at fridays
	Cubewarrior	As i said before, people prefer alot more to stay up late than get up early
	GITS	they don't have anything on a sunday
	Ayush_S92	We are talking of Saturday actually
	GITS	yeah
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	GITS	it's easier for them to stay up late for sunday since they got nothing to wake up early for
	Ayush_S92	Just treat this Saturday like a normal weekday for this war? Can't be that hard
	Cubewarrior	But that's not how it works, saturday = weekend
	Cubewarrior	it's not a weekday lol
	Cubewarrior	and it's always gonna be a weekend
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	Ayush_S92	Yea, just telling them to treat it like a weekday, of course it's a weekend
	Ayush_S92	Making people stay up is not as easy as it sounds
	Ayush_S92	Most people stay with parents
	Cubewarrior	For most people it's far easier than getting up early
	Ayush_S92	It's not like people move out of their home after 18 like other countries
	GITS	and making people to wake up early is even worse
	Ayush_S92	How is it worse?
	GITS	after a week of work you'd like to sleep long for once
	Cubewarrior	I'm pretty sure it's how the average human being works
	Ayush_S92	They have the Sunday
	Cubewarrior	you prefer to stay up late than getting up early lol
	Cubewarrior	sunday exactly for lying in, so why not stay up late saturday
	Ayush_S92	and I'm pretty sure waking up one day earlier won't effect their metabolism much
	Ayush_S92	They will still have the whole day to themselves
	Ayush_S92	Evenstar8888 here is a doctor
	Ayush_S92	MBBS
	Cubewarrior	Chances are the vast majority would never bother eventrying to get up early on their weekend
	Ayush_S92	You can ask her if you need to
	Cubewarrior	and we'd have 2 people sitting in cwa
	Cubewarrior	vs 60
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	Cubewarrior	Another thing about waking up and staying up, alot of people work in the mornings
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	Cubewarrior	a whole lot lot lot more than people who work at night on a saturday( literally nobody)
	Ayush_S92	Then it's even better, we can have the war before they go to work
	Ayush_S92	Earlier
	Ayush_S92	And won't be late for GMT also
	Cubewarrior	Doesn't work like that, who on earth would wake up at 6am rather than staying up to 12-1 am (they'd probably be staying up to then anyway it's a saturday night)
	Ayush_S92	It's not like that here...no one stays up that late
	Ayush_S92	Especially children
	Ayush_S92	And they're going to work anyways, they can wake up one hour earlier for war
	GITS	sorry, but jagex has stated th game is for people that is 13 years or older
	GITS	if they are younger then it's their problem
	Ayush_S92	They are not younger than 13
	Ayush_S92	But most are in school
	Ayush_S92	below 18
	Ayush_S92	Hence my point.
	Cubewarrior	and sleep on a sunday morning...
	GITS	if they are below 18 they're even more likely to stay up that long on a saturday night
	Ayush_S92	How is that so?
	Ayush_S92	That's certainly not the case
	Cubewarrior	clubs, parties, other acitvities...
	Ayush_S92	Clubs? Under 18 going to clubs?
	GITS	that and they rarely take work at the weekends
	GITS	there are lots of clubs for those under 18
	Ayush_S92	Well, I think your assumption of India is not quite close to the reality
	Cubewarrior	Think of it this way: you're asking us to war when most are asleep or at work and when you guys are awake in the evening/night, and your non indians are probably all also wide awake
	Ayush_S92	It's certainly not that way
	Ayush_S92	Indians are not awake at the times you have offered us
	GITS	so i guess india is a dead country (all asleep) at 1am then
	Ayush_S92	Yes, that is correct
	Ayush_S92	1am is considered extremely late here
	Cubewarrior	Very interesting.
	Ayush_S92	You would be lucky to find traffic on the roads even
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	Cubewarrior	So there is no night life in India, there are NO people staying up at all, it's just completely dead at night, that's 1.2billion people ish, all asleep.
	Ayush_S92	Nightlife for children, no there isn't
	GITS	the most populated country in the world, and no one awake after 1am
	Ayush_S92	Your facts are inaccurate, it's second most populated
	Cubewarrior	barely though, it's still massiiivee
	Ayush_S92	And I never said no one, we are talking of my clan and their habbits, not the whole country
	Nty_Shez_Fat	Cubewarrior sorry to say but 1.2 billion indians dont play rs brah
	Nty_Shez_Fat
	Ayush_S92	Oh, I wish they did
	GITS	we weren't saying that either
	Cubewarrior	Runescapers aren't
	GITS	we didn't specify rs players
	Cubewarrior	a difference race to normal people
	Nty_Shez_Fat	then why would you go on the 1.2 billion people topic at the first place?
	Nty_Shez_Fat	the whole of india doesnt play rs am i correct?
	Ayush_S92	It's okay, they were referencing
	Cubewarrior	because ayush said india is a ghost town at night lol
	Ayush_S92	But still, what I said doesn't imply no one is awake at that time
	GITS	i asked if no one was awake at 1am in india
	Nty_Shez_Fat	Yup
	GITS	he said yes
	Ayush_S92	It is considered a late time, 1am
	Ayush_S92	Doesn't mean 100% of the countey sleeps
	Ayush_S92	country*
	GITS	[18:18] GITS so i guess india is a dead country (all asleep) at 1am then
	Nty_Shez_Fat	yup thats what my point is
	GITS	[18:19] Ayush_S92 Yes, that is correct
	Cubewarrior	it's considered late on a weekday and for some late yes on a weekend
	Cubewarrior	but people still stay up way past there, including runescapers
	Cubewarrior	that's regardless of their race.
	Cubewarrior	*ethnic background w/e
	Ayush_S92	Sorry, I still don't quite get your point?
	Cubewarrior	I just find it incredibly hard to believe that the runescape population in india does not ever stay up at night, like the majority of the world, i for one have quite a few indian rs friends who are on well into my late hours
	Ayush_S92	There are a few, such as myself who stay up till 6am. But I do not speak for the much bigger majority.
	Ayush_S92	As I already said, I am lucky to see even 10 people in CC at 12midnight
	Ayush_S92	And most of them aren't even our Indian population at that time
	Ayush_S92	Mostly the 4-5 Canadians we have
	Cubewarrior	most kids regardless of where ever they are or whatever they do, stay up late on weekends. its not a big issue. but getting up early is always an issue plus some people even work in the morning on weekends.
	Ayush_S92	I can't really see how you can compare those 2, staying up till 1am and waking up earlier in the morning?
	Ayush_S92	People wake up early 5 days a week
	Ayush_S92	And stay late...? Hardly anytime
	Ayush_S92	Most children, even my brother are asleep by 10-11 latest
	Ayush_S92	My mother would never let him stay awake till 1, I think it is the same with most other families
	Ayush_S92	And I know my clan quite well, so I am sure this is the case with most of them
	Cubewarrior	A weekend is not a weekday though, the whole point is so people can have freetime and stay up later than normal because they have the freedom to do so
	Ayush_S92	A weekend is exactly that, a weekend. You are free to do anything different from what you normally do.
	Ayush_S92	I'd say waking up early qualifies
	Cubewarrior	Staying up is a far more accepted thing on a weekend, it's also preferred by people (to stay up rather than force yourself to wake up early morning rather than getting your usual sleep or a lie in)
	Ayush_S92	Accepted thing? I already said, not for most people here.
	Ayush_S92	Anyways, I guess its just a culture thing.
	Ayush_S92	And this conversation ain't going anymore
	Ayush_S92	anywhere*
	Ayush_S92	I started watching Avatar and it finished, and we're still here
	Ayush_S92	And it's a damn long movie
	Cubewarrior	lol.
	GITS	err avatar lasts more than 2hrs i think
	GITS	we're still at 1hr and 45 mins
	GITS
	Ayush_S92	It's coming throughout the day again and again
	Ayush_S92	When we started I was seeing it, and not it's started again
	Ayush_S92	lol
	Ayush_S92	It's at the point when they come to know he can't be trusted
	Ayush_S92	Anyways offtopic
	Ayush_S92	My dinner is also waiting for me since the time we started lol
	Ayush_S92	And I don't think we are anywhere nea reaching a decision
	GITS	go eat, we can wait
	GITS	or atleast cube i think can
	Ayush_S92	Okay then, I'll be back later
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	Ayush_S92	So, from where shall we start?
	Cubewarrior	we were and still are at a stalemate lol
	Ayush_S92	Let's decide the war rules for a change
	Ayush_S92	?
	Ayush_S92	Or you wanna talk time first?
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	Cubewarrior	sorry but we have our combat cup war in around 1 hour against vr so it's not the best time for us to talk now lol
	Ayush_S92	ooo
	Ayush_S92	gl
	Cubewarrior	lol it's just a bit of good fun for us
	Cubewarrior	we can't actually win >.>
	Cubewarrior	thanks anyway
	Ayush_S92	I'm online, as I said most probably till 4 atleast
	Ayush_S92	so lots of time
	Cubewarrior	ok
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	Ayush_S92	Hey
	Nty_Shez_Fat	?
	Nty_Shez_Fat	wp
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	Ayush_S92	Okay, let's continue then
	Ayush_S92	Hmm?
	Ayush_S92	Ready to chat yet?
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	Cubewarrior	Sorry about that, let us continue.
	Ayush_S92	Okay
	Cubewarrior	So our problem is we both want two very contrasting times
	Ayush_S92	Yes
	Ayush_S92	The worst kind of problem
	Or_Else	ayush, what is the latest you can go, bare in mind that its a saturday night
	Ayush_S92	I already went from 10am GMT to 2pm GMT
	Or_Else	may i ask why the latest you can war is 7.30 your time? while that is peak time to the clan world
	Or_Else	and jagex recognise the peak time is 8pm
	Ayush_S92	As I said before +/-1 is fine, but after that numbers drastically drop
	Ayush_S92	most people go for dinners and that's that
	Or_Else	what about after dinner?
	Ayush_S92	Half of the people won't get on after dinner
	Adeelasim	Why not
	Or_Else	half of ours wont be on during breakfast
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	Ayush_S92	How am I supposed to know -.-
	Adeelasim	cuz you're leader
	Ayush_S92	I don't know why, I just observe they don't lol
	Or_Else	i'm sure they would for this war
	Ayush_S92	And also, did you talk about 2 rounds thing?
	Or_Else	i have literally no idea what you're on about
	Ayush_S92	We need to have 2 wars, one for community and one for under 90
	Or_Else	i know
	Ayush_S92	So I don't think there is any point in fixing it exclusively when fixing one war alone is this tough
	Or_Else	its not tough
	Or_Else	we're making it tough
	Or_Else	the earliest we can go is 7.30, simple
	Or_Else	which is 3.30 in the afternoon on a saturday for a lot of our clan
	Ayush_S92	You fought both of your last wars at 8...
	Ayush_S92	Only half an hour leeway?
	Or_Else	which is 1am for you on a saturday night
	Or_Else	8 is early for us
	Or_Else	we negotiated
	Ayush_S92	Well, it is extremely late for us
	Or_Else	the time's you've suggested are almost impossible
	Ayush_S92	Same for us.
	Or_Else	you have to change your suggested time significantly
	Ayush_S92	I already did.
	Or_Else	was it 3pm BST or GMT that you warred FOE?
	Ayush_S92	Yes
	Or_Else	what time was it your time?
	Ayush_S92	Sorry, I meant it was BST
	Adeelasim	wtf 7:30 pm GMT X_X
	Ayush_S92	7.30
	Adeelasim	Oi ppl live in north america too you know x_X
	Or_Else	oh yeah, adeel we went further than you said we could
	Or_Else	shiit...
	Ayush_S92	Most of FOE and MM does also, that is why we reached 3pm BST
	Adeelasim	10 pm GMT plz, u think teenagers can wake up early LOL
	Adeelasim	most stay up till like 4am on saturday nights studying/partying/etc
	Ayush_S92	We've had this discussion before.
	Adeelasim	crasha nd die and not even House can revive them before 5 int he evening x_X
	Or_Else	it is literally impossible for us to war at your time ayush
	Or_Else	you know that
	Ayush_S92	And you know that it is impossible for us at the time you suggested too.
	Or_Else	its not
	Or_Else	staying up late on a saturday night shouldnt be a problem
	Ayush_S92	1am? Seriously...
	Or_Else	not all of your clan is II
	Ayush_S92	It is.
	Ayush_S92	1am is impossible..
	Or_Else	sorry, i meant not all of your clan is indian
	Ayush_S92	We are repeating the same chat I had with GITS
	Or_Else	you need to negotiate further in time
	Ayush_S92	And that reached no where
[18:22]	Ayush_S92	I went from 10am to where we are now
[18:22]	Adeelasim	you're tleling me teenagers cant stay up till 1am
[18:22]	Or_Else	why is it impossible for you to war at 8pm your time? do you have dinner for 5 hours?
[18:22]	Ayush_S92	Sorry, going much more is literal suicide
[18:22]	Ayush_S92	I said +/-1 is the MAX already
[18:22]	Ayush_S92	8pm comes in that, but there is no point talking about that
[18:23]	Ayush_S92	What you are asking is way more than that
[18:23]	Adeelasim	Goes both ways
[18:23]	Or_Else	completely both ways
[18:23]	Adeelasim	you're gonna kill off North America
[18:24]	Ayush_S92	You're gonna kill off India..
[18:24]	Ayush_S92	Which is infact 90%
[18:24]	Adeelasim	of what, your clan?
[18:25]	Ayush_S92	We literally have 4-5 Canadians, which are in your time zones
[18:25]	Or_Else	we have literally 0 indians
[18:25]	Ayush_S92	That's pretty much it
[18:25]	Ayush_S92	You don't need Indians
[18:25]	Ayush_S92	I'm talking of GMT
[18:25]	Ayush_S92	And last I remember you had 3-4 indians
[18:25]	Or_Else	the point between EST and IST is GMT (roughly)
[18:26]	Or_Else	yeah we havent got any indians anymore, unless we do and i just dont know
[18:26]	Ayush_S92	Lol kk
[18:27]	Ayush_S92	The point between EST and IST might be GMT, but our both clan populations aren't equally divided in those regions
[18:27]	Or_Else	anyway, seeing as GMT is pretty much halfway between IST and EST, we can go for 8.30pm GMT, is that okay adeelasim?
[18:27]	Or_Else	9pm gmt*
[18:27]	Adeelasim	I might need to buy one of those alarm clocks that electrocutes you when you dont wake up.
[18:28]	Ayush_S92	Might be handy.
[18:28]	Adeelasim	k 9pm GMT -.-
[18:29]	Ayush_S92	2.30IST, not a chance.
[18:29]	Ayush_S92	Try 12 hours earlier
[18:29]	Or_Else	nor is +/-4 of the times you've suggested
[18:29]	Or_Else	+/-5 , my maths -.-
[18:33]	Ayush_S92	So, I don't think we're reaching any agreement anytime soon...
[18:33]	Or_Else	not unless you've had a epiphany
[18:46]	Ayush_S92	Okay...let's decide the rules.
[18:46]	Or_Else	okay, saturday 20th 10pm GMT, turrets all styles, dung/corr off
[18:47]	Or_Else	agreed?
[18:47]	Adeelasim	all styles hmm
[18:47]	Adeelasim	ok
[18:47]	Ayush_S92	Na, I'll pass
[18:47]	Or_Else	ok to the rules
[18:47]	Adeelasim	im fking poor but i'll scrape enough for deathr unes lol
[18:48]	Or_Else	all styles
[18:48]	Or_Else	dung/corr off
[18:48]	Ayush_S92	Would prefer MBR and Dung corr on...
[18:49]	Adeelasim	dung and corr on for a community clan fight
[18:49]	Or_Else	your dungeoneering levels are significantly higher than ours, and corrupt isnt a good idea for a "community" war
[18:49]	Ayush_S92	What does community have to do with all that?
[18:49]	Or_Else	and all styles
[18:50]	Adeelasim	less war-oriented and lower-stats, i.e. not as 'hardcore'
[18:50]	Or_Else	for clans that dont have requirements, having corrupt on is not good
[18:50]	Or_Else	so we go for basic rules pretty much
[18:50]	Adeelasim	hence the term "community", "everyone welcome", "big happy family"
[18:50]	Or_Else	all styles, turrets, dung/corr off
[18:50]	Ayush_S92	I'm sure the majority of our members have 60 def
[18:51]	Ayush_S92	You guys have significantly higher 99 defence people than us
[18:51]	Or_Else	idk about that
[18:51]	Adeelasim	why bother having no requirements to join the clan if you're going to put corrupt on
[18:51]	Ayush_S92	I still don't see the relation between corrupt and no levels
[18:51]	Ayush_S92	It's not like it is mandatory
[18:51]	Ayush_S92	no reqs*
[18:52]	Or_Else	having corrupt on is a ridiculous idea
[18:52]	Or_Else	for a community war
[18:52]	Adeelasim	it's an unfair advantage and bias towards higher levelled players who are more war oriented, thus detracting from the community aspect of the entire subdivision
[18:52]	Or_Else	and in general tbh
[18:52]	Or_Else	thats excactly how it is ^
[18:53]	Adeelasim	other sub divisions exist for hardcore gritty corrupt on/dung on etc. wars.
[18:53]	Ayush_S92	Corrupt requires money not warring experience
[18:53]	Ayush_S92	That too pretty less in today's economy
[18:53]	Or_Else	it requires 60 defence and money
[18:53]	Ayush_S92	Which most of your members has
[18:53]	Ayush_S92	Tlaking of the level
[18:54]	Ayush_S92	talking*
[18:54]	Or_Else	having a rule which has a requirement ina community subdivision is hypocritical
[18:54]	Or_Else	corrupt off.
[18:54]	Or_Else	simple
[18:54]	Or_Else	ayush
[18:54]	Or_Else	wait
[18:54]	Ayush_S92	As I said, it is not mandatory so it isn't like we won't allow people below 60 def in war
[18:54]	Ayush_S92	?
[18:55]	Adeelasim	Same thing applies with money, it's rewarding the rich and detracting from the "Everyone welcome" aspect.
[18:55]	Or_Else	we cant have a rule which has a requirement in the community subdivision
[18:55]	Or_Else	its not possible
[18:55]	Adeelasim	Unless you bot :>
[18:55]	Ayush_S92	Don't see how that is related with the conversation..
[18:55]	Or_Else	we refuse to have corrupt on.
[18:55]	Or_Else	corrupt is off.
[18:56]	Or_Else	we cant have a rule with a requirement in the community subdivision, its hypocritical of both clans
[18:56]	Ayush_S92	Well, then allow Dung..
[18:56]	Adeelasim	I'm merely saying it's going against the very premise of what a community clan should be.
[18:57]	Ayush_S92	Hypocritical? What about Rune and other armours then?
[18:57]	Ayush_S92	Don't they require 40 defence?
[18:57]	Or_Else	our members dont have to bring it
[18:57]	Ayush_S92	They don't have to bring corr either
[18:57]	Or_Else	corrupt is off
[18:57]	Or_Else	simple
[18:57]	Ayush_S92	It's optional
[18:57]	Or_Else	we will not war with corrupt on
[18:58]	Ayush_S92	Then let dung be on, simple.
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[19:00]	Or_Else	corrupt and dung have to be off.
[19:00]	Or_Else	all styles, corr+dung off
[19:01]	Ayush_S92	Can't have both ways, I'm afraid.
[19:01]	Or_Else	you refuse to negotiate enough with time, so the rules have to be fair
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[19:02]	Ayush_S92	Let's leave the time for now and discuss the rules
[19:02]	Ayush_S92	It's not like you were negotiating for time either
[19:02]	Or_Else	you claim corrupt gives us an advantage, thats not ture
[19:02]	Or_Else	true*
[19:02]	Or_Else	dung gives you a clear advantage
[19:02]	Ayush_S92	I never said that.
[19:02]	Ayush_S92	Well, give us either of that, I don't mind which
[19:03]	Or_Else	neither
[19:03]	Ayush_S92	As I can't, can't have all things your way.
[19:03]	Or_Else	nor can you
[19:03]	Ayush_S92	I am willing to negotiate on one of dung or corr.
[19:04]	Or_Else	both have to be off.
[19:04]	Ayush_S92	Then which rules are you willing to negotiate on?
[19:04]	Or_Else	so we cant even agree on that
[19:04]	Or_Else	ALL STYLES
[19:04]	Ayush_S92	Willing to make it MBR?
[19:05]	Or_Else	all styles is more fun
[19:05]	Ayush_S92	We prefer MBR
[19:05]	Or_Else	why?
[19:05]	Ayush_S92	Just a personal choice
[19:06]	Or_Else	so you have no reasons?
[19:06]	Or_Else	apart from it being a personal choice?
[19:07]	Ayush_S92	I don't think it's needed when you want both dung and corr off.
[19:07]	Or_Else	dung and corr is neccessary to be off
[19:07]	Ayush_S92	Why so?
[19:08]	Or_Else	we explained corrupt
[19:08]	Ayush_S92	Oh right...
[19:08]	Or_Else	and dung items also have requirements
[19:08]	Ayush_S92	Blasts require quite high mage level
[19:08]	Or_Else	which is anti-community clan
[19:08]	Ayush_S92	Sorry.
[19:08]	Or_Else	you need level 1 mage for a offensive spell
[19:09]	Ayush_S92	Yes and you need 1 level for not wearing corrupt too, which as I said isn't mandatory
[19:09]	Ayush_S92	1 defence&
[19:10]	Adeelasim	bow noob lurn to put prayer on
[19:10]	Or_Else	its hard to tank and talk
[19:10]	Adeelasim	too bad it wasn't dangerous ffa
[19:10]	Or_Else	shup nub
[19:10]	Or_Else	anyway
[19:10]	Or_Else	wait
[19:10]	Or_Else	ayush
[19:10]	Or_Else	please explain that sentance again
[19:11]	Ayush_S92	You don't need to have any level for having corrupt on as well.
[19:11]	Ayush_S92	It's not mandatory to wear it
[19:11]	Ayush_S92	It's just for those who can
[19:11]	Or_Else	but giving certain players an advantage over others based on meeting requirements is literally against the ethos of the community subdivision
[19:12]	Ayush_S92	I don't think we're here to have an idealistic chat, we're here to put forth what our clans prefer.
[19:12]	Or_Else	so corrupt and dungeoneering cannot be on for this Community Cup
[19:12]	Ayush_S92	So there is nothing such as "cannot"
[19:12]	Or_Else	there is
[19:12]	Or_Else	and there will be
[19:12]	Ayush_S92	There is no rule that it cannot be on.
[19:12]	Or_Else	dung and corrupt will not be on.
[19:12]	Or_Else	they require stats
[19:12]	Ayush_S92	Everything requires stats.
[19:13]	Or_Else	but giving certain players an advantage over others based on meeting requirements is literally against the ethos of the community subdivision
[19:13]	Adeelasim	not in the spirit of community cup
[19:13]	Adeelasim	bbl
[19:13]	Or_Else	ask timbo if u want
[19:13]	Ayush_S92	We might both be 3+ clans but we are certainly not 3 ONLY clans
[19:13]	Ayush_S92	I don't think I need to ask.
[19:13]	Or_Else	we have level 3's in our clan
[19:13]	Ayush_S92	It is my clans preference not his.
[19:13]	Ayush_S92	Unless you want to go default rules.
[19:14]	Or_Else	okay, evidently that'd be simpler in this situation
[19:14]	Or_Else	but turrets would be a better map
[19:15]	Ayush_S92	No, if we're going the default way, there shall be no deviations.
[19:15]	Ayush_S92	Unless, I also get somethings I want
[19:18]	Or_Else	we can agree the rules at a later date tbh, we need to sort that time out
[19:19]	Or_Else	we could have rules and no time or date for them
[19:19]	Or_Else	next saturday 10pm gmt
[19:19]	Ayush_S92	Na 9am GMT
[19:19]	Or_Else	nah 10pm gmt
[19:19]	Or_Else	hmm ayush
[19:20]	Or_Else	you made a statement earlier saying that none of your leaders would be able to turn up to the war at 8pm GMT
[19:20]	Ayush_S92	yup
[19:20]	Or_Else	and right now, in india, correct me if i'm wrong
[19:20]	Ayush_S92	yup nearly 5am
[19:20]	Or_Else	it has to be 4.49?
[19:20]	Ayush_S92	Yes
[19:20]	Or_Else	so all the players in your clan dont log off before dinner
[19:21]	Ayush_S92	Never said all did.
[19:21]	Or_Else	and if you've been able to stay up
[19:21]	Or_Else	then surely your members would be able to stay up, 4 hours less
[19:21]	Ayush_S92	And if you were there when I was talking to GITS I already said I am up till 6am usually
[19:21]	Ayush_S92	I am not a warlord either.
[19:21]	Or_Else	then why are you negotiating? or attempting to anyway
[19:21]	Ayush_S92	I am the clan leader.
[19:21]	Ayush_S92	There is a difference in warlord and leader.
[19:22]	Or_Else	and your powers do not include being a warlord?
[19:22]	Ayush_S92	Nop, they do not.
[19:22]	Adeelasim
[19:22]	Cubewarrior	is nty shez fat indian as well?
[19:22]	Or_Else	then please explain
[19:22]	Ayush_S92	We are not an exclusive warring clan. I have other duties.
[19:22]	Ayush_S92	Yes he is.
[19:22]	Or_Else	why are you here if you're not a warlord?
[19:22]	Cubewarrior	How come he was on at 3-4 am as well lol
[19:22]	Ayush_S92	3-4am?
[19:22]	Ayush_S92	He went off at 2.
[19:23]	Or_Else	oh, so fellow warlords are able to stay up?
[19:23]	Or_Else	so its not just you then
[19:23]	Ayush_S92	Because I usually decide the war timings.
[19:23]	Or_Else	look how that turned out...
[19:23]	Cubewarrior	okay 2. that's still strange despite all indian rsers going off rs after dinner
[19:23]	Cubewarrior	*2am
[19:23]	Ayush_S92	*ALL*?
[19:23]	Ayush_S92	You're misinterpreting.
[19:24]	Ayush_S92	I have 3 people in CC now.
[19:24]	Ayush_S92	And that time I had 9.
[19:25]	Cubewarrior	It just seems like Indians don't go to sleep alot earlier than everyone else in the world, in fact they seem to resemble the rest of the world.
[19:26]	Or_Else	hmm, i've eaten too many jaffa cakes so im gonna go now, i hope you'll have an epiphany ayush
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[19:26]	Cubewarrior	of course people from everywhere have to go to bed, that applies to all clans
[19:26]	Cubewarrior	but only certain members, or younger ones.
[19:26]	Ayush_S92	Oh, I didn't know you did a full blown research on India Cube.
[19:26]	Cubewarrior
[19:26]	Ayush_S92	Unfortunately, it is still not accurate.
[19:27]	Ayush_S92	I'm talking about the average Indian clanner, which is what my clan is based on.
[19:27]	Ayush_S92	No use pinpointing 2-3 people.
[19:28]	Cubewarrior	sometimes the leaders represent many, as in when the leaders are on, so too are clan members. It just doesn't make sense that you and a few other high ranks have late bed times yet the others never do even on a weekend
[19:28]	Ayush_S92	They are ranked high because of the very fact they are active alot.
[19:29]	Ayush_S92	I don't see why our members should reflect us.
[19:29]	Ayush_S92	They have their own times, we have our own.
[19:30]	Ayush_S92	That is why we have events at such a time when the majority is on.
[19:30]	Ayush_S92	Also, you still didn't tell why it is so impossible for waking up a bit earlier.
[19:30]	Ayush_S92	Which, as it seems is much easier in my opinion.
[19:31]	Adeelasim	Only if you're 65+ years old
[19:32]	Adeelasim	Ever heard of teens managing to wake up early as compared to staying up late lol
[19:33]	Cubewarrior	People do not like to wake up early, especially on a weekend when they want to sleep a bit more. take also the fact that we have people who work on saturdays and work starts in the morning meaning they cannot war. also there is the lazy people of the clan who simply would not get up. it's easier for someone to stay up before going to bed to war than trying to force themselves up at 7am.
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[19:33]	Cubewarrior	Cubewarrior People do not like to wake up early, especially on a weekend when they want to sleep a bit more. take also the fact that we have people who work on saturdays and work starts in the morning meaning they cannot war. also there is the lazy people of the clan who simply would not get up. it's easier for someone to stay up before going to bed to war than trying to force themselves up...
[19:33]	Cubewarrior	...at 7am.
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[19:34]	Ayush_S92	"do not like"
[19:34]	Cubewarrior	As you probably know, the vast majority of runescapers are teenagers or young adults
[19:34]	Ayush_S92	Well, if they work on Saturday, I don't think they would be able to attend anyways.
[19:34]	Cubewarrior	they like to sleep late and stay up late, in all parts of the world ..
[19:34]	Adeelasim	with shitty ass night jobs
[19:34]	Ayush_S92	Or they could attend before going to work.
[19:34]	Adeelasim	T_T
[19:35]	Cubewarrior	lol you'd expect them to not get ready for work and try fitting in a war which
[19:35]	Cubewarrior	they have no idea how long may last
[19:35]	Cubewarrior	including mass
[19:35]	Ayush_S92	Jobs? In India people usually do jobs after 24 years of age.
[19:35]	Cubewarrior	before going to work
[19:35]	Ayush_S92	After post grad
[19:35]	Adeelasim	thats india
[19:35]	Cubewarrior	part-time jobs
[19:35]	Adeelasim	here you start work at 16, usually weekends, at night
[19:35]	Ayush_S92	Yea, that doesn't exist here.
[19:35]	Adeelasim	to make a bit of money
[19:35]	Adeelasim	and then you come home at like 6am and DIE lol
[19:36]	Adeelasim	especially with the economy being the way it is -.-
[19:36]	Ayush_S92	Well, you may have to depend on your GMTers then.
[19:37]	Cubewarrior	you would face around 5 people at the time you propose, NOBODY is on and would come on for a war at that time
[19:37]	Ayush_S92	Same goes for the time you gave me.
[19:37]	Cubewarrior	well no because people can stay up, they can if they know there's an event.
[19:37]	Cubewarrior	anyway this isn't going anywhere and my bed await
[19:37]	Cubewarrior	*awaits
[19:38]	Cubewarrior	good bye for now