[22-Mar-20 02:17 AM] Serene Grace#5243
can we get a cutie suspect up once ladder tour ends

[22-Mar-20 02:26 AM] Ninja#8225
yeah u can see my support in the club penguin screenshot above

[22-Mar-20 02:26 AM] Luthier#1578
i think cutie is absolutely ridiculous

[22-Mar-20 02:26 AM] Luthier#1578
ability to pivot, set up webs, versatility of sets

[22-Mar-20 02:27 AM] Luthier#1578
the fact that most digletts dont even run life anymore because theyre forced to adapt to the meta means that they dont reliably trap cutie from full

[22-Mar-20 02:27 AM] Luthier#1578
access to insane movepool + second highest speed in the tier is kinda nuts

[22-Mar-20 02:27 AM] Luthier#1578
i think its a joke that we havent suspected this mon yet

[22-Mar-20 02:27 AM] Serene Grace#5243
post the club penguin screenshot as the NP thing

[22-Mar-20 02:27 AM] Luthier#1578
like it FORCED ferro to run iron head

[22-Mar-20 02:28 AM] Luthier#1578
imagine a world where this fairy demolishes ferroseed if it doesnt run iron head

[22-Mar-20 02:28 AM] Luthier#1578
thats kinda crazy to think about

[22-Mar-20 02:29 AM] Luthier#1578
ironically, it gets super walled by pony but opny is so booty dick rn

[22-Mar-20 02:37 AM] hongli#4483
i mean since ferro's running giga a lot of the time over bseed anyways

[22-Mar-20 02:37 AM] hongli#4483
wishtect spritzee can even 1v1 non iron head ferro

[22-Mar-20 02:38 AM] hongli#4483
i dont think ferro running iron head is necessarily a facet of cutie's brokenness

[22-Mar-20 02:48 AM] Serene Grace#5243
> wishtect spritzee can even 1v1 non iron head ferro
heh

[22-Mar-20 02:55 AM] levi#6206
oh dear

[22-Mar-20 02:56 AM] hongli#4483
LOL

[22-Mar-20 03:01 AM] Luthier#1578
LMAO @Serene Grace

[22-Mar-20 03:01 AM] Luthier#1578
bro it was a misclick

[22-Mar-20 03:01 AM] Luthier#1578
can u pls accept it

[22-Mar-20 11:27 AM] jake#8907
LOL

[22-Mar-20 12:06 PM] BurntZebra#8147
spritzee loses to acid spray ferro too...

[22-Mar-20 01:14 PM] Kingler#6931
@Luthier wow

[22-Mar-20 01:14 PM] Kingler#6931
i thought u were the best player in this tier bro

[22-Mar-20 01:14 PM] Kingler#6931
maybe i must Reassess

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[22-Mar-20 01:28 PM] jake#8907
thats a great mentality kingler

[22-Mar-20 01:36 PM] Luthier#1578
lmfao

[22-Mar-20 05:15 PM] Kingler#6931
thanks man

[22-Mar-20 05:15 PM] Shrug#7659
cutiefly then rufflet

[22-Mar-20 05:16 PM] Kingler#6931
agreed

[22-Mar-20 05:16 PM] Kingler#6931
suspect test them all

[22-Mar-20 05:16 PM] hongli#4483
hard disagree

[22-Mar-20 05:16 PM] hongli#4483
trappers after qt..

[22-Mar-20 05:16 PM] Kingler#6931
D:

[22-Mar-20 05:16 PM] Shrug#7659
wrong

[22-Mar-20 06:12 PM] Shrug#7659
i am submitting ruff after cutie as a formal proposal. will explain my reasoning as required

[22-Mar-20 07:43 PM] Coconut#8762
rufflet is really really really strong

[22-Mar-20 07:43 PM] Coconut#8762
even with trappers gone I see rufflet being really really really strong

[22-Mar-20 07:44 PM] Coconut#8762
but I want to focus on cutiefly right now

[22-Mar-20 07:44 PM] Coconut#8762
and GETTING REQS FOR THE CUTIEFLY SUSPECT

[22-Mar-20 07:44 PM] BurntZebra#8147
was magnemite/gastbra the only stuff that was preventing rufflet/manual sun/veils from being good or what

[22-Mar-20 07:44 PM] levi#6206
is the cutiefly suspect happening during lcpl?

[22-Mar-20 07:45 PM] hongli#4483
yeah i think rufflet's still super good even without trappers

[22-Mar-20 07:45 PM] levi#6206
or is it happening now

[22-Mar-20 07:45 PM] hongli#4483
as well

[22-Mar-20 07:45 PM] hongli#4483
trappers just means it can run sub/bu/roost with little drawback

[22-Mar-20 07:45 PM] hongli#4483
since onix/pawn are so easily removable

[22-Mar-20 07:45 PM] Coconut#8762
strong special attackers zebra

[22-Mar-20 07:45 PM] levi#6206
well manual sun was just

[22-Mar-20 07:45 PM] Coconut#8762
staryu abra gastly

[22-Mar-20 07:45 PM] levi#6206
weather ball bulbasaur not being a thing

[22-Mar-20 07:45 PM] Coconut#8762
all could hit rufflet really hard and stop it from setting up

[22-Mar-20 07:45 PM] hongli#4483
16 spe being rather slow in sm

[22-Mar-20 07:46 PM] hongli#4483
was also bad for ruff

[22-Mar-20 07:46 PM] Coconut#8762
so it needed to run scarf

[22-Mar-20 07:46 PM] Coconut#8762
if it wanted to beat them

[22-Mar-20 07:46 PM] Coconut#8762
but then it lost to onix pawn and the like

[22-Mar-20 07:46 PM] BurntZebra#8147
is bulba significantly better than bellsprout

[22-Mar-20 07:46 PM] BurntZebra#8147
i never really used bellsprout

[22-Mar-20 07:46 PM] BurntZebra#8147
so idk the base stats

[22-Mar-20 07:46 PM] Coconut#8762
with weather ball?

[22-Mar-20 07:46 PM] Coconut#8762
yeah

[22-Mar-20 07:46 PM] Coconut#8762
close SpA

[22-Mar-20 07:47 PM] Coconut#8762
similar speed

[22-Mar-20 07:47 PM] Coconut#8762
better bulk on bulb

[22-Mar-20 07:47 PM] BurntZebra#8147
seems like bulba isnt outrageously bulky though

[22-Mar-20 07:48 PM] levi#6206
its a bit faster

[22-Mar-20 07:48 PM] Coconut#8762
it's not

[22-Mar-20 07:48 PM] levi#6206
and its a fair bit bulkier i think

[22-Mar-20 07:49 PM] hongli#4483
bulba hits better numbers w.o investment i believe

[22-Mar-20 07:49 PM] BurntZebra#8147
bellsprout seems faster to me in my mind

[22-Mar-20 07:49 PM] Coconut#8762
but like specially defensive vull can't ohko bulba

[22-Mar-20 07:49 PM] hongli#4483
nah, sprout max is 14, bulba is 15

[22-Mar-20 07:49 PM] levi#6206
bellsprout hits 14 bulba hits 15

[22-Mar-20 07:49 PM] levi#6206
i guess sashbra and sturdymag were both rlly bad for manual sun too

[22-Mar-20 07:49 PM] Coconut#8762
0+ Atk Vullaby Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 72 Def Eviolite Bulbasaur: 18-24 (85.7 - 114.2%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
Possible damage amounts: (18, 18, 18, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 24)

[22-Mar-20 07:49 PM] Coconut#8762
13 attack

[22-Mar-20 07:49 PM] Coconut#8762
vs 12 defense bulb

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] Shrug#7659
trappers are fine

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] Shrug#7659
suspecting trappers would be a mistake

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] BurntZebra#8147
bulba has a hard time doing everything with its evs

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] Coconut#8762
I think trappers are worth a suspect down the line potentially

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] Shrug#7659
not suspecting rufflet would be a mistake

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] BurntZebra#8147
i find it needs to be timid/15 speed

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] Coconut#8762
I do not think it should be before cutiefly

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] levi#6206
trappers dont rlly feel that bad anymore yea

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] Coconut#8762
and then potentially rufflet

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] Shrug#7659
cutiefly then rufflet.

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] BurntZebra#8147
cutiefly, then wait and see

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] BurntZebra#8147
ig

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] levi#6206
rufflet feels pretty broken without them even on reg birdspam

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] levi#6206
w.o trappers

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] levi#6206
agree w shrug

[22-Mar-20 07:50 PM] BurntZebra#8147
does cutiefly ban open up anything

[22-Mar-20 07:51 PM] Coconut#8762
I know levi and lily were sitting on rufflet for a while

[22-Mar-20 07:51 PM] hongli#4483
it opens up dewpider to viability

[22-Mar-20 07:51 PM] Coconut#8762
and pablo and I agreed the moment that rufflet got it's moves back it'd be banworthy

[22-Mar-20 07:51 PM] levi#6206
should i pick up council minnutes

[22-Mar-20 07:51 PM] Coconut#8762
wanna do it for the past couple weeks

[22-Mar-20 07:51 PM] levi#6206
ya

[22-Mar-20 07:51 PM] Coconut#8762
if not, don't bother

[22-Mar-20 07:51 PM] Coconut#8762
if you are, go nuts

[22-Mar-20 07:51 PM] BurntZebra#8147
coconut compromising the true duty of the council to help her theoretical spl teammate

[22-Mar-20 07:51 PM] levi#6206
well itd be pointless if i didnt

[22-Mar-20 07:51 PM] BurntZebra#8147
unbelievable

[22-Mar-20 07:52 PM] Coconut#8762
I didn't think

[22-Mar-20 07:52 PM] Coconut#8762
anyone else thought it was broken

[22-Mar-20 07:52 PM] Shrug#7659
rufflet gets like 20 turns a game where it just absolutely bombs something if band

[22-Mar-20 07:52 PM] levi#6206
@everyone are you guys fine if i pick up council minutes

[22-Mar-20 07:52 PM] levi#6206
also can i change it to council leaks

[22-Mar-20 07:52 PM] Shrug#7659
and sets up nice and easy on most shit

[22-Mar-20 07:52 PM] Coconut#8762
No.

[22-Mar-20 07:52 PM] BurntZebra#8147
didnt we want rufflet banned before veils

[22-Mar-20 07:52 PM] levi#6206
it makes it sound more dramatic

[22-Mar-20 07:52 PM] BurntZebra#8147
im like 90% sure me/levi/ninja/ a few others were on the ruff ban train

[22-Mar-20 07:52 PM] BurntZebra#8147
like a month ago

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[22-Mar-20 07:53 PM] Ninja#8225
Yea we were on it early

[22-Mar-20 07:53 PM] Coconut#8762
if you're going to claim you wanted it gone early

[22-Mar-20 07:53 PM] Coconut#8762
that's fine

[22-Mar-20 07:53 PM] Coconut#8762
make a serious push for it

[22-Mar-20 07:53 PM] Shrug#7659
i am

[22-Mar-20 07:53 PM] Shrug#7659
right now

[22-Mar-20 07:53 PM] Coconut#8762
instead of dropping the wingull paste

[22-Mar-20 07:53 PM] levi#6206
LOL

[22-Mar-20 07:53 PM] hongli#4483
that was levi

[22-Mar-20 07:53 PM] BurntZebra#8147

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[22-Mar-20 07:54 PM] LilyAC#7887
i wont mention corviknight this time

[22-Mar-20 07:54 PM] levi#6206
didnt corviknight rufflet end up being badass anyways

[22-Mar-20 07:54 PM] starmaster#8286
dicklet

[22-Mar-20 07:54 PM] hongli#4483
corvi ruff is good ya

[22-Mar-20 07:54 PM] Coconut#8762
we're not doing this

[22-Mar-20 07:54 PM] starmaster#8286
what the fuck is corvi ruff

[22-Mar-20 07:54 PM] starmaster#8286
what

[22-Mar-20 07:54 PM] BurntZebra#8147
does rufflet get taunt

[22-Mar-20 07:54 PM] starmaster#8286
sub bu?

[22-Mar-20 07:54 PM] hongli#4483
sub bu roost aace

[22-Mar-20 07:54 PM] Ninja#8225
wht about rufflet corv

[22-Mar-20 07:54 PM] Coconut#8762
unless you want to make a serious case

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] levi#6206
facts

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] Ninja#8225
agility bulk up

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] Coconut#8762
that we should do rufflet before cutiefly

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] BurntZebra#8147
rufflet came out before corviknight...

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] Coconut#8762
our focus should be on the bug

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] LilyAC#7887
agility over sub

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] levi#6206
no we arent doing that

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] starmaster#8286
ok obv cutie is more broken

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] levi#6206
cuties way more broken

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] BurntZebra#8147
does sub ruff set up on ferro

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] levi#6206
and theyre broken independently anyways

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] Shrug#7659
the bug is getting fucking insanely banned

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] Coconut#8762
then let's talk about cutiefly

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] hongli#4483
yes

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] hongli#4483
that's the point of it

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] BurntZebra#8147
i assume theres some 50/50s

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] Coconut#8762
can we like actually make sure of that then

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] levi#6206
whats there to say abt cutie

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] Coconut#8762
please

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] starmaster#8286
we should put a cutie suspect up

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] levi#6206
its not staying

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] starmaster#8286
like rn

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] BurntZebra#8147
i agree

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] Coconut#8762
actually get reqs

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] hongli#4483
i think doing cutie now that ladder tour is over

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] hongli#4483
is a good idea

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] Coconut#8762
maybe post

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] Shrug#7659
@Coconut you have one hour to post the cutie suspect or you go in fail jail

[22-Mar-20 07:55 PM] Coconut#8762
I do not have permission

[22-Mar-20 07:56 PM] Coconut#8762
to do that

[22-Mar-20 07:56 PM] Shrug#7659
59 minutes

[22-Mar-20 07:56 PM] Coconut#8762
or I would LOVE

[22-Mar-20 07:56 PM] Coconut#8762
to do so

[22-Mar-20 07:56 PM] Shrug#7659
58:30

[22-Mar-20 07:56 PM] BurntZebra#8147
@jake

[22-Mar-20 07:56 PM] hongli#4483
do we only have 1 tl rn

[22-Mar-20 07:56 PM] starmaster#8286
yep

[22-Mar-20 07:56 PM] Shrug#7659
jake 57:45 until coco goes in fail jail. only way to avoid this is putting up a cutie suspect

[22-Mar-20 07:56 PM] Coconut#8762
I can't go to jail I'm too soft

[22-Mar-20 07:56 PM] Shrug#7659
well tell jake he has 55 minutes then

[22-Mar-20 07:57 PM] BurntZebra#8147
i assume lc wont get picked for a tiebreak in spl, right

[22-Mar-20 07:57 PM] Shrug#7659
wasnt picked

[22-Mar-20 07:57 PM] Coconut#8762
doesn't matter

[22-Mar-20 07:57 PM] Coconut#8762
even if it was

[22-Mar-20 07:57 PM] hongli#4483
i cant imagine it getting picked

[22-Mar-20 07:57 PM] BurntZebra#8147
does anyone have bw OU teams here

[22-Mar-20 07:57 PM] hongli#4483
serene and jake are both pretty close

[22-Mar-20 07:57 PM] hongli#4483
game could easily go either way

[22-Mar-20 07:57 PM] Shrug#7659
it was not picked

[22-Mar-20 07:57 PM] Coconut#8762
we were hella gonna pick LC

[22-Mar-20 07:57 PM] BurntZebra#8147
my bw cup guy is online and i should prob play now

[22-Mar-20 07:57 PM] Coconut#8762
if we tiebroke

[22-Mar-20 07:58 PM] levi#6206
were you guys really

[22-Mar-20 07:58 PM] hongli#4483
would that have been the first time

[22-Mar-20 07:58 PM] hongli#4483
lc got picked for tie break

[22-Mar-20 07:58 PM] levi#6206
idt pablo is better than the rest of the top 5 rlly

[22-Mar-20 07:58 PM] levi#6206
he's definitely not worse either

[22-Mar-20 07:58 PM] hongli#4483
oh yea speaking of

[22-Mar-20 07:58 PM] hongli#4483
didnt jake approve adding pablo

[22-Mar-20 07:58 PM] hongli#4483
to council

[22-Mar-20 07:58 PM] Coconut#8762
we deffo would have

[22-Mar-20 07:58 PM] BurntZebra#8147
yeah i think you would pick lc vs like the evigaro/HT teams

[22-Mar-20 07:59 PM] Coconut#8762
pablo's just on another level.

[22-Mar-20 07:59 PM] Coconut#8762
we had total faith in him

[22-Mar-20 07:59 PM] BurntZebra#8147
or the hodor team

[22-Mar-20 07:59 PM] levi#6206
oh ya

[22-Mar-20 07:59 PM] levi#6206
get cutie suspect up then add pablo?

[22-Mar-20 07:59 PM] Coconut#8762
reverse order

[22-Mar-20 07:59 PM] Coconut#8762
ideally

[22-Mar-20 07:59 PM] levi#6206
or other way around

[22-Mar-20 07:59 PM] levi#6206
it doesnt matter, both are happening within 52 minutes or coco goes to fail jail

[22-Mar-20 07:59 PM] Shrug#7659
i just invited pablo

[22-Mar-20 07:59 PM] Coconut#8762
I am NOT going to fail jail

[22-Mar-20 07:59 PM] Shrug#7659
he says he needs a role

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 07:59 PM] starmaster#8286
idk

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] starmaster#8286
i think pablo was clearly better than any1 else in spl

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] starmaster#8286
play wise

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] Shrug#7659
coco can u give him the council role so he can read

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] Coconut#8762
I think pablo would have beat

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] Coconut#8762
literally any LCer

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] Coconut#8762
we put him against

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] starmaster#8286
serene was second most impressive to me

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] Coconut#8762
serene was very good

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] starmaster#8286
he did real well except the HT game

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] Coconut#8762
no discredit to him

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] levi#6206
the ht game was fantastic

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] starmaster#8286
or was it jyt

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] Coconut#8762
but if we tiebroke

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] starmaster#8286
w/e

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] starmaster#8286
idr

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] levi#6206
it was ht ya

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] Coconut#8762
we would have picked LC

[22-Mar-20 08:00 PM] BurntZebra#8147
i think luthier/lily/jake/serene could all beat pablo in LC

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] Shrug#7659
fail jail time clock doubles in speed every minute pablo doesnt have the role

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] levi#6206
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen8lc-474240

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[Gen 8] LC replay: Serene Grace vs. ht - Pokémon Showdown
Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Serene Grace and ht ([Gen 8] LC)

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] levi#6206
i think jake and pablo both came out w.o any misplays

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] levi#6206
unless im forgetting sth from jake

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] starmaster#8286
serene had a dick start

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] jake#8907
i made a few

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] starmaster#8286
like 1-3

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] jake#8907
but they weren't major

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] levi#6206
lily/luthier/serene each had one very embarrassing game

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] starmaster#8286
and woulda finished 8-3

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] starmaster#8286
without lck

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] Shrug#7659
nothing dire from us

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] starmaster#8286
luck*

[22-Mar-20 08:01 PM] Shrug#7659
iirc

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] BurntZebra#8147
teambuilding is a misplay

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] Coconut#8762
pablo had one big mistake

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] Shrug#7659
48 minutes coco

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] Coconut#8762
vs jake

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] Coconut#8762
but we recovered

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] Coconut#8762
he body pressed the scraggy

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] levi#6206
jake can we add pablo

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] Coconut#8762
when he should have eq'd

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] BurntZebra#8147
did that play matter

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] jake#8907
i posted idk how long it has to wait

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] BurntZebra#8147
wouldnt either have activated bj

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] jake#8907
it wouldve if i were a better set

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] Coconut#8762
oh.

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] levi#6206
oh

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] Coconut#8762
okay then it didn't matter

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] Coconut#8762
LOL

[22-Mar-20 08:02 PM] levi#6206
i usually added then posted

[22-Mar-20 08:03 PM] levi#6206
i guess i wasnt supposed to do that

[22-Mar-20 08:03 PM] jake#8907
bp pushed closer to mach range

[22-Mar-20 08:03 PM] jake#8907
if i were evio

[22-Mar-20 08:03 PM] Coconut#8762
apparently we're supposed to give

[22-Mar-20 08:03 PM] Coconut#8762
2 weekends

[22-Mar-20 08:03 PM] Coconut#8762
for suspects too

[22-Mar-20 08:03 PM] jake#8907
so i get what he was going for

[22-Mar-20 08:03 PM] Coconut#8762
so can we post

[22-Mar-20 08:03 PM] Coconut#8762
in alignment with that

[22-Mar-20 08:03 PM] jake#8907
im fine w that

[22-Mar-20 08:03 PM] Coconut#8762
possibly so the suspect ends on a weekend

[22-Mar-20 08:03 PM] jake#8907
if u guys are in agreement

[22-Mar-20 08:03 PM] Ninja#8225
do we need 2 weekends everyones like quarantined

[22-Mar-20 08:04 PM] jake#8907
yea probably

[22-Mar-20 08:04 PM] Coconut#8762
yes

[22-Mar-20 08:04 PM] Coconut#8762
not everyone sits at home

[22-Mar-20 08:04 PM] Coconut#8762
and does nothing

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:07 PM] Coconut#8762
but ya

[22-Mar-20 08:07 PM] Coconut#8762
two weekends

[22-Mar-20 08:07 PM] Shrug#7659
shouldve been friday then

[22-Mar-20 08:07 PM] Coconut#8762
means the suspect ends the 5th

[22-Mar-20 08:07 PM] Coconut#8762
shouldn't do it during ladder tour

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:08 PM] levi#6206
Should’ve done it with the ladder tour

[22-Mar-20 08:08 PM] levi#6206
Alas

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:08 PM] BurntZebra#8147
ladder tour is like a mid tier tour, right

[22-Mar-20 08:08 PM] Coconut#8762
it's a Type C

[22-Mar-20 08:08 PM] levi#6206
Done it through the ladder tour

[22-Mar-20 08:08 PM] BurntZebra#8147
so yeah that means we should be able to do a suspect during it

[22-Mar-20 08:09 PM] Coconut#8762
that doesn't mean literally anything

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:09 PM] BurntZebra#8147
considering the suspect results wont finalize until like during the finals

[22-Mar-20 08:09 PM] BurntZebra#8147
in which case you can just allow cutiefly

[22-Mar-20 08:09 PM] BurntZebra#8147
for the last round

[22-Mar-20 08:09 PM] Coconut#8762
we didn't have it for two weeks

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:09 PM] Coconut#8762
which happened to coincide with when the suspect ended

[22-Mar-20 08:09 PM] Coconut#8762
and levi

[22-Mar-20 08:10 PM] Coconut#8762
that idea was tacky and if it had a smell it'd be month old tuna.

[22-Mar-20 08:10 PM] Shrug#7659
too descriptive metaphors

[22-Mar-20 08:10 PM] Ninja#8225
why’s the ladder tour over anyway

[22-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Ninja#8225
Shouldn’t it still be going

[22-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Shrug#7659
at this rate fail jail is going to be the corona ward at rikers island

[22-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Coconut#8762
it's 2 weeks

[22-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Coconut#8762
+ playoffs

[22-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Shrug#7659
dont let the guards take you in the showers!

[22-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Ninja#8225
if u wanted the cycles to be remotely similar in length

[22-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Ninja#8225
this one was over 48 hours shorter

[22-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Coconut#8762
it doesn't really matter

[22-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Coconut#8762
it was exactly 48 hours

[22-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Coconut#8762
and ya

[22-Mar-20 08:11 PM] Coconut#8762
I messed up the dates

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:12 PM] Coconut#8762
but like long haul is it making a serious impact

[22-Mar-20 08:12 PM] Shrug#7659
no need for recriminations over math here

[22-Mar-20 08:12 PM] Shrug#7659
need for improving the metagame

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:12 PM] Shrug#7659
that being removing cutie and then rufflet

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:13 PM] Shrug#7659
ok easily rectified by writing a cutie suspect for jake to post by midnight

[22-Mar-20 08:13 PM] Coconut#8762
it's not being posted tonight

[22-Mar-20 08:13 PM] Shrug#7659
why not

[22-Mar-20 08:13 PM] Coconut#8762
two weekends, ten days

[22-Mar-20 08:13 PM] Shrug#7659
why

[22-Mar-20 08:13 PM] Coconut#8762
because we as an LC council

[22-Mar-20 08:13 PM] Coconut#8762
liked 10 days

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Shrug#7659
wrong

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Coconut#8762
and SS wants 2 weekends

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Coconut#8762
during our suspects

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] BurntZebra#8147
ok

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Shrug#7659
i as a sage lc council member say thats wrong

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] BurntZebra#8147
today is sunday

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] BurntZebra#8147
so we can end it next sunday

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] BurntZebra#8147
thats 2 weekends

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] BurntZebra#8147
bop

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Shrug#7659
make it longer so i can get them more lazily

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Coconut#8762
please don't make this

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Coconut#8762
more difficult

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Shrug#7659
just make it two weeks whocare

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Coconut#8762
we could make it 14 days

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Coconut#8762
but again, that's not really up to me

[22-Mar-20 08:14 PM] Coconut#8762
and if people weren't lazy shits

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Coconut#8762
during the last one

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Shrug#7659
no need to attack valued lc council members

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Coconut#8762
I'm reluctant to believe

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Coconut#8762
we need the extra time

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Coconut#8762
for this one

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Shrug#7659
lets just have a two week one

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Coconut#8762
we don't want the suspect to drag

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Shrug#7659
and a verbal pledge

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Shrug#7659
from @Council

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Shrug#7659
to get them

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Shrug#7659
ya?

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Luthier#1578
to do what

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Shrug#7659
get cutie reqs

[22-Mar-20 08:15 PM] Luthier#1578
We should vote first In here

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Luthier#1578
if we need. At all

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Shrug#7659
cutiefly: ban

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Luthier#1578
ban

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Coconut#8762
you need reqs.

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Coconut#8762
and we're doing an open suspect

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Luthier#1578
what if we ban at 80+

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Shrug#7659
ok put up the suspect

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Luthier#1578
we can’t

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Coconut#8762
that's not up for debate

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Shrug#7659
and i will get them

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Luthier#1578
Put up suspect

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Coconut#8762
this mon has been in the metagame for 5 months

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Luthier#1578
cuz ladder tour

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Luthier#1578
Is going on rn

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Shrug#7659
this mf is doing Kafka's the trial on me

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Luthier#1578
Wdym UU did vans

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Shrug#7659
it's over luth

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Luthier#1578
Bans

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Luthier#1578
Hello?

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Luthier#1578
UU did bans and it’s been out for less than LC

[22-Mar-20 08:16 PM] Luthier#1578
Wdym we can’t do bans

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] Luthier#1578
They banned gyara

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] Shrug#7659
cant qb she means

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] Coconut#8762
we're not doing qbs

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] Luthier#1578
oh

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] Luthier#1578
Bleh ok

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] Ninja#8225
If we’re 13-0 I don’t get why not

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] Coconut#8762
because it's not fair to the public

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] starmaster#8286
ya if its 13-0 i dont see the pt in a public suspect

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] starmaster#8286
.

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] starmaster#8286
isnt it tho

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] starmaster#8286
no sane human

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] starmaster#8286
thinks its balanced

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] Coconut#8762
see but the point of a quickban

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] starmaster#8286
shits just a waste of time

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] Coconut#8762
is that it's quick

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] Ninja#8225
it’s a waste of everyone’s time public included

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] starmaster#8286
yes.

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] Coconut#8762
this is the opposite of quick

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] Coconut#8762
it's been here 5 months

[22-Mar-20 08:17 PM] starmaster#8286
how is it the opposite

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] starmaster#8286
we had recent changes

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] starmaster#8286
to the meta

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] starmaster#8286
hello

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] starmaster#8286
home just came out

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] Shrug#7659
ok im deciding quickly: qb that shit rn and put up the ruff suspect tonight

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] Shrug#7659
damn im good

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] Coconut#8762
what date

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] starmaster#8286
and we banned some shit

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] Coconut#8762
did home come out

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] Shrug#7659
dawg im not taking out my abacus

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] Ninja#8225
We banned apix pretty recently

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] Shrug#7659
that shits broke

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] starmaster#8286
we banned apix very recently

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] jake#8907
i don't think there's any reason to quickban cutiefly outside of personal interest in its removal

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] Coconut#8762
and in that time, cutiefly became ridiculously broken with the moves roost and defog.

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] Ninja#8225
Can we just vote if everyone is in favour of banning a suspect seems a huge waste of time

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] starmaster#8286
i mean

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] Coconut#8762
cutiefly got a lot better

[22-Mar-20 08:18 PM] Coconut#8762
yes

[22-Mar-20 08:19 PM] Shrug#7659
i want ruff gone before lcpl

[22-Mar-20 08:19 PM] Coconut#8762
that's not up for debate

[22-Mar-20 08:19 PM] starmaster#8286
if its 13-0 how is a suspect anything more than a waste of time

[22-Mar-20 08:19 PM] starmaster#8286
idgi

[22-Mar-20 08:19 PM] Shrug#7659
why not

[22-Mar-20 08:19 PM] Shrug#7659
im debating it

[22-Mar-20 08:19 PM] Shrug#7659
rn

[22-Mar-20 08:19 PM] Coconut#8762
cutiefly didn't get better?

[22-Mar-20 08:19 PM] starmaster#8286
it literally did tho

[22-Mar-20 08:19 PM] starmaster#8286
the meta shifted quite a bit

[22-Mar-20 08:19 PM] Coconut#8762
it absolutely did

[22-Mar-20 08:19 PM] Shrug#7659
coco i think everyone is willing to fudge the qb time horizon because it's clearly fucking broken

[22-Mar-20 08:20 PM] starmaster#8286
idg the time horizon argument at all

[22-Mar-20 08:20 PM] starmaster#8286
like

[22-Mar-20 08:20 PM] Shrug#7659
and we have another suspect to do

[22-Mar-20 08:20 PM] starmaster#8286
we banned smth 2 weeks ago

[22-Mar-20 08:20 PM] Ninja#8225
It’s going to get >90% in a suspect anyway

[22-Mar-20 08:20 PM] starmaster#8286
was it even 2 weeks

[22-Mar-20 08:20 PM] Ninja#8225
Let’s just do it now

[22-Mar-20 08:20 PM] Coconut#8762
The quickbanning process will be as follows going forward.

1. We will only consider quickbans immediately following major metagame shifts that are otherwise out of our control, e.g. a new generation.

[22-Mar-20 08:20 PM] Coconut#8762
2. When a topic is being seriously discussed for a quickban, it will be mentioned in the metagame discussion thread at least a week before the potential quickban so that non-council members can share their thoughts. However, if the council unanimously agrees a topic is so overwhelming that it shouldn't even warrant a basic discussion (think Scyther/Sneasel/Swirlix levels of powerful) then it will be autobanned, completely bypassing quickban discussion and voting. This will be determined with a swift informal vote at or around the time of the release.

[22-Mar-20 08:20 PM] Shrug#7659
ok just define "immediately" broadly

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Coconut#8762
then our tier leader

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Coconut#8762
needs to make a serious post

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Coconut#8762
in the metagame thread

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Coconut#8762
about cutiefly

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Ninja#8225
Yea following a metagame shift

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Shrug#7659
idk why we need to hold a late-soviet election for cutiefly

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Shrug#7659
which impedes us

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Coconut#8762
and I expect people to post

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] levi#6206
A qb is valid right now

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] levi#6206
If we have posts

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Ninja#8225
We can all write like a paragraph

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Shrug#7659
from banning an actually suspectable broken mon from lcpl

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Coconut#8762
I don't think this is the definition of immediate

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Ninja#8225
like we did for dynamax?

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] levi#6206
By our tiering policy

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Coconut#8762
but this seems

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] levi#6206
I don’t agree w it though

[22-Mar-20 08:21 PM] Coconut#8762
really really bad policy-wise

[22-Mar-20 08:22 PM] Coconut#8762
and only seems in the interest

[22-Mar-20 08:22 PM] Coconut#8762
of removing cutiefly

[22-Mar-20 08:22 PM] Shrug#7659
yes ok i am using legal realism

[22-Mar-20 08:22 PM] Shrug#7659
stretch the statute to achieve the obvious end

[22-Mar-20 08:22 PM] Shrug#7659
formalism? fohhhhhh

[22-Mar-20 08:22 PM] levi#6206
Again i disagree w a qb here but

[22-Mar-20 08:22 PM] Ninja#8225
i don’t think any of the public would be upset

[22-Mar-20 08:22 PM] Coconut#8762
we said that about floon

[22-Mar-20 08:22 PM] Ninja#8225
does anyone even think it’s balanced

[22-Mar-20 08:22 PM] Shrug#7659
madoka might be the only one and thats for freak reasons

[22-Mar-20 08:22 PM] Shrug#7659
no offense

[22-Mar-20 08:22 PM] Coconut#8762
we said that about floon too

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] levi#6206
This is literally the earliest opportunity we have to vote on cuties qb following home

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Ninja#8225
there were ppl here who believed floon was balanced

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Shrug#7659
yea and those people were wrong and we were right

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] levi#6206
Since we did apix first

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Ninja#8225
levi do u seriously think it’s balanced

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Coconut#8762
we could have done cutiefly first

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Coconut#8762
or at the same time

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] levi#6206
A qb is valid and should be on the table

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Shrug#7659
ok im voting in favor

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Coconut#8762
for what it's worth

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Shrug#7659
and also in favor

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Shrug#7659
of a ruff suspect on thursday / friday

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] levi#6206
No I just prefer that we suspect

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] levi#6206
Idt there’s much to gain from a qb

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Coconut#8762
we need to follow the procedural things that were set in place

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Ninja#8225
what why would you do them same time

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Coconut#8762
if we're qbing it

[22-Mar-20 08:23 PM] Ninja#8225
It’s 2 weeks quicker

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] Ninja#8225
That’s the benefit

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] levi#6206
Also doing multiple suspects at the same time is terrible

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] Shrug#7659
voting in favor of a qb

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] Coconut#8762
we could have qb'd

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] Shrug#7659
and then a ruff suspect

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] Coconut#8762
not suspected

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] Ninja#8225
And saves everyone’s time

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] levi#6206
And should be avoided when possible

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] starmaster#8286
we can do the post nonsense for cutie now

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] starmaster#8286
then

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] levi#6206
But we’re in no hurry rn, there’s no spl or anything

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] levi#6206
And we’re quarantined

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] levi#6206
Ya we should do that I think

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] Coconut#8762
that shouldn't affect

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] Coconut#8762
how we're tiering

[22-Mar-20 08:24 PM] levi#6206
It does and it should

[22-Mar-20 08:25 PM] Shrug#7659
ok someone solicit cutie qb posts

[22-Mar-20 08:25 PM] Coconut#8762
I know I personally don't have extra time because of this situation

[22-Mar-20 08:25 PM] starmaster#8286
regardless every1 and their mother thinks cutie is broken

[22-Mar-20 08:25 PM] levi#6206
We absolutely shouldn’t be running suspects part way through lcpl or spl or w.w

[22-Mar-20 08:25 PM] levi#6206
W.e

[22-Mar-20 08:25 PM] Shrug#7659
i will post an explanation for rufflet getting suspected in meta discussion thread

[22-Mar-20 08:25 PM] levi#6206
Well the quarantine shouldn’t matter

[22-Mar-20 08:25 PM] Shrug#7659
ok?

[22-Mar-20 08:25 PM] levi#6206
But timing wrt tours does

[22-Mar-20 08:25 PM] Coconut#8762
there's reasoning for why we shouldn't try to shift the meta during major tours

[22-Mar-20 08:25 PM] Coconut#8762
but I think we can have a suspect during LCPL

[22-Mar-20 08:25 PM] levi#6206
Ya shrug I’d  support it

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] Coconut#8762
and not have to be locked in

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] levi#6206
Lcpl is the most important lc tour

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] Coconut#8762
I actually think it'd be really beneficial for members of our community

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] Coconut#8762
to have a suspect during LCPL

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] Ninja#8225
Nope that’s lcwc

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] starmaster#8286
idk about that 1

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] levi#6206
Snake and spls with lc are 2nd

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] Coconut#8762
maybe not whatever goons star drafts

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] starmaster#8286
i think suspects during tours just suck

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] levi#6206
Lcwc is 3rd

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] Coconut#8762
but there's a lot of fringe talents that aren't getting reqs

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] Ninja#8225
lcwc the most popular lc forum tour of all time

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] Ninja#8225
By signups

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] Ninja#8225
It’s the people’s tour

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] levi#6206
Nvm lcwc is first

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] starmaster#8286
how is it beneficial tho

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] starmaster#8286
idgi

[22-Mar-20 08:26 PM] levi#6206
Lcpl is 2nd

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
because managers and leaders of teams

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
can help these people

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
and have discourse with them

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] levi#6206
You’re diverting attention from the tour

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
to talk about the metagame

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
that's being played

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
in the tour

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] levi#6206
And eliminating valid teams built in earlier weeks

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] levi#6206
Both of these are rlly bad

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] starmaster#8286
ye

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
yes that sucks

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] levi#6206
And we for sure don’t want them to happen to lcpl

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Shrug#7659
ok can we have this plan:
we each in the next couple days write a short paragraph about a cutiefly quickban
we suspect rufflet starting on thursday or friday whichever day is policy-correct

[22-Mar-20 08:27 PM] Coconut#8762
but it's not like the only thing that people can put this focus on

[22-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Coconut#8762
is LCPL

[22-Mar-20 08:28 PM] starmaster#8286
bro do all of u rly think rufflet is broken

[22-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Coconut#8762
we can focus on both a suspect and LCPL

[22-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Coconut#8762
rufflet's really fucking good

[22-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Shrug#7659
yes and i am right star

[22-Mar-20 08:28 PM] LilyAC#7887
not sure if ruff is broken

[22-Mar-20 08:28 PM] LilyAC#7887
but dont suspect anything immediately after banning qt

[22-Mar-20 08:28 PM] LilyAC#7887
give it time

[22-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Coconut#8762
agreed

[22-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Shrug#7659
wrong, suspect it immediately

[22-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Coconut#8762
cutiefly's going to shift the meta

[22-Mar-20 08:28 PM] levi#6206
I do think ruffs broken

[22-Mar-20 08:28 PM] Coconut#8762
a lot

[22-Mar-20 08:29 PM] starmaster#8286
suspecting immediately would def be a mistake

[22-Mar-20 08:29 PM] Shrug#7659
only to make it more favorable

[22-Mar-20 08:29 PM] levi#6206
But we prob need to give it a bit since it’s a web abuser

[22-Mar-20 08:29 PM] levi#6206
There’s no way banning cutie actually makes ruff balanced

[22-Mar-20 08:29 PM] levi#6206
But like they’re still kinda related

[22-Mar-20 08:29 PM] Shrug#7659
therefore

[22-Mar-20 08:29 PM] levi#6206
No pt in taking chances

[22-Mar-20 08:29 PM] Coconut#8762
lots of things could become viable

[22-Mar-20 08:29 PM] Ninja#8225
I’m unsure on ruff I think it could be suspected though

[22-Mar-20 08:29 PM] Shrug#7659
like what coco

[22-Mar-20 08:29 PM] Coconut#8762
idfk

[22-Mar-20 08:30 PM] Coconut#8762
but it's a nonzero chance

[22-Mar-20 08:30 PM] levi#6206
Probably not rufflet checks

[22-Mar-20 08:30 PM] Shrug#7659
a mon is going to shoot from obscurity to check rufflet if and only if we remove cutiefly?

[22-Mar-20 08:30 PM] Coconut#8762
that there's a notable meta change

[22-Mar-20 08:30 PM] levi#6206
Bc they don’t exist lmao

[22-Mar-20 08:30 PM] Coconut#8762
that could laterally affect rufflet

[22-Mar-20 08:30 PM] Ninja#8225
Yea cuties the only thing holding binacle back

[22-Mar-20 08:30 PM] Shrug#7659
if we ban cutiefly the pokedex will open to include the fast special attackers and mienfoo

[22-Mar-20 08:31 PM] Ninja#8225
What if we free gastly

[22-Mar-20 08:31 PM] levi#6206
+1 from mk

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:31 PM] levi#6206
I feel like gastlys gonna be kind of dumb now that munch is bad again but

[22-Mar-20 08:31 PM] Coconut#8762
and resuspects are something we should consider a tad more

[22-Mar-20 08:32 PM] levi#6206
It should be open to discussion in the future

[22-Mar-20 08:32 PM] Coconut#8762
but I don't think he's right

[22-Mar-20 08:32 PM] Coconut#8762
agree with levi

[22-Mar-20 08:32 PM] levi#6206
We have more pressing things right now though

[22-Mar-20 08:32 PM] levi#6206
Cutie and ruff r both dumb

[22-Mar-20 08:32 PM] Shrug#7659
problem: Cutie and ruff r both dumb
solution: qb and suspect respectively

[22-Mar-20 08:32 PM] Coconut#8762
even if we qb cutiefly

[22-Mar-20 08:33 PM] Coconut#8762
we gotta wait to see what happens to rufflet.

[22-Mar-20 08:33 PM] Shrug#7659

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[22-Mar-20 08:33 PM] Shrug#7659
we do not

[22-Mar-20 08:33 PM] Coconut#8762
onix could become the most busted mon in existence

[22-Mar-20 08:33 PM] Serene Grace#5243
If everyone itc supports a cutiefly ban, can we qb it

[22-Mar-20 08:33 PM] Shrug#7659
it will not

[22-Mar-20 08:33 PM] Shrug#7659
so the "ruff will unbreak itself" counterargument appears to be just magical thinking?

[22-Mar-20 08:33 PM] levi#6206
Shrug your solution is p much the correct one from an immediate meta health perspective

[22-Mar-20 08:33 PM] Ninja#8225
Why would cutie banned make onix busted

[22-Mar-20 08:34 PM] Coconut#8762
it's not going to unbreak itself

[22-Mar-20 08:34 PM] Coconut#8762
but something could happen

[22-Mar-20 08:34 PM] levi#6206
Unfortunately smogon is a bureaucracy designed to hold back these correct takes

[22-Mar-20 08:34 PM] levi#6206
And if we don’t follow the Process then lc gets banned and we have to move to lpl

[22-Mar-20 08:34 PM] Coconut#8762
not like the metagame is unplayable.

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:34 PM] levi#6206
And I don’t want that bc I’m still banned

[22-Mar-20 08:34 PM] BurntZebra#8147
thats my man

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] Shrug#7659
well

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] Serene Grace#5243
LPL has banned cutiefly for anything lpl related

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] Shrug#7659
if we have grounds to qb

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] Serene Grace#5243
effective immedaitely

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] Shrug#7659
we can qb it

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] levi#6206
Yea

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] Shrug#7659
and then a suspect would be a suspect

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] levi#6206
I don’t think the grounds for it are invalid

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] Ninja#8225
Let’s just ban cutie

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] Coconut#8762
they aren't for sure

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] levi#6206
I’d rather we just take our time tho

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] Ninja#8225
Can we get a vote going

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] Coconut#8762
there hasn't been a single person

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] hongli#4483
i dont think a quick ban is the correct decision

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] Coconut#8762
really defending the bug

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] hongli#4483
for cutiefly

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] BurntZebra#8147
man

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] levi#6206
And suspect

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] hongli#4483
even though i'm pretty pro-ban

[22-Mar-20 08:35 PM] Ninja#8225
We don’t have the time to take u can’t suspect ruff before lcpl

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:36 PM] Serene Grace#5243
madoka is a democrat

[22-Mar-20 08:36 PM] levi#6206
Lpl has already banned cutie effective immediately

[22-Mar-20 08:36 PM] Shrug#7659
i dont want to see the first three weeks of lcpl be alternating rufflet bomb throwing

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:36 PM] Ninja#8225
if we waste 2 weeks on something everyone think is broken

[22-Mar-20 08:36 PM] levi#6206
I won’t accept that they made the correct decision

[22-Mar-20 08:36 PM] Coconut#8762
is the meta is in that much disarray from rufflet?

[22-Mar-20 08:36 PM] Coconut#8762
a mon that some people don't even think is broken?

[22-Mar-20 08:36 PM] Shrug#7659
yes

[22-Mar-20 08:36 PM] Shrug#7659
they are wrong

[22-Mar-20 08:36 PM] Ninja#8225
No idk if it’s even broken but we should suspect before lcpl anyway

[22-Mar-20 08:36 PM] Ninja#8225
I’d rather not suspect during it

[22-Mar-20 08:36 PM] Coconut#8762
okay this discussion isn't getting anywhere

[22-Mar-20 08:36 PM] Shrug#7659
agree w ninjadog

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] Coconut#8762
if you have something new to add

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] Coconut#8762
go ahead

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] starmaster#8286
i think rufflet isnt broken but i have no problem w/ suspecting it b4 lcpl

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] hongli#4483
does lcpl have to start at a certain date

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] Coconut#8762
but I'm tabling it

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] hongli#4483
or can it be pushed back a week or so

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] hongli#4483
if we wanted to do a suspect

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] hongli#4483
without completely rushing things

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] Coconut#8762
we really really really

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] Shrug#7659
or: we solve that problem

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] starmaster#8286
we set a draft date but like

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] Coconut#8762
shouldn't push back LCPL

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] Coconut#8762
but like if that's the only way it's possible

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] Coconut#8762
we already lost a week

[22-Mar-20 08:37 PM] hongli#4483
you can stick to draft date while postponing when the tour actually starts

[22-Mar-20 08:38 PM] hongli#4483
if it's necessary

[22-Mar-20 08:38 PM] Ninja#8225
The draft is already a week too late

[22-Mar-20 08:38 PM] Coconut#8762
if we keep pushing things back

[22-Mar-20 08:38 PM] Coconut#8762
we might have to cancel a tour

[22-Mar-20 08:38 PM] Coconut#8762
like LC majors

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:39 PM] Shrug#7659
my proposal is that we push lcpl back into august and also start corresponding only by the US Postal Service so proper bureaucratic procedure can be followed

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:40 PM] Ninja#8225
We don’t need to move anything back if we qb cutie anyway

[22-Mar-20 08:40 PM] Shrug#7659
good point

[22-Mar-20 08:41 PM] levi#6206
Idt the circuit tour schedule of all things needs to be rigid

[22-Mar-20 08:41 PM] Coconut#8762
I'd like to try to stick to it

[22-Mar-20 08:41 PM] Coconut#8762
and I'm sure merritt agrees

[22-Mar-20 08:41 PM] Shrug#7659
ok yes good

[22-Mar-20 08:41 PM] Shrug#7659
i know how!

[22-Mar-20 08:41 PM] Coconut#8762
shrug

[22-Mar-20 08:41 PM] Coconut#8762
nothing new to add?

[22-Mar-20 08:41 PM] Coconut#8762
cool.

[22-Mar-20 08:41 PM] Shrug#7659
why would i overelaborate my obviously correct points

[22-Mar-20 08:41 PM] Ninja#8225
I don’t think there’s a single argument in favour of not qbing

[22-Mar-20 08:42 PM] levi#6206
The Process

[22-Mar-20 08:42 PM] Ninja#8225
other than meme complaints like ‘more time’ for smth we all know is broken

[22-Mar-20 08:42 PM] brewfasa#4532
if we’re all voting ban idt there’s a very good argument to not qb

[22-Mar-20 08:42 PM] hongli#4483
home was released feb 12th

[22-Mar-20 08:42 PM] Coconut#8762
well the argument becomes why didn't we do this sooner.

[22-Mar-20 08:42 PM] levi#6206
Shrug

[22-Mar-20 08:43 PM] levi#6206
I’d make a post rn

[22-Mar-20 08:43 PM] levi#6206
Gather the support of the people

[22-Mar-20 08:43 PM] hongli#4483
we've had an actual suspect in the time that it's been out

[22-Mar-20 08:43 PM] Ninja#8225
Bc of the vulpix suspect

[22-Mar-20 08:43 PM] Ninja#8225
the public think it’s broken too no one’s seriously going to complain about some technicality

[22-Mar-20 08:43 PM] Coconut#8762
so the vulpix suspect, which we agreed wasn't really going to affect the greater metagame much

[22-Mar-20 08:44 PM] Ninja#8225
In general I don’t think time should matter

[22-Mar-20 08:44 PM] Coconut#8762
SS is the one

[22-Mar-20 08:44 PM] Coconut#8762
that's going to complain

[22-Mar-20 08:44 PM] brewfasa#4532
ppl were hyper focused on veils

[22-Mar-20 08:44 PM] Coconut#8762
about a technicality

[22-Mar-20 08:44 PM] brewfasa#4532
I think it’s reasonable

[22-Mar-20 08:44 PM] Coconut#8762
in the rules

[22-Mar-20 08:44 PM] Ninja#8225
If all 13 people here think something is broken we should be able to ban it at any time

[22-Mar-20 08:44 PM] Coconut#8762
that's called an autoban

[22-Mar-20 08:44 PM] Coconut#8762
and we have rules for that too

[22-Mar-20 08:44 PM] Coconut#8762
cutiefly is not on the level of sneasel or swirlix

[22-Mar-20 08:45 PM] levi#6206
We could have done cutiefly two weeks earlier

[22-Mar-20 08:45 PM] levi#6206
The reason we didn’t wasnt bc we wanted to wait

[22-Mar-20 08:45 PM] Ninja#8225
Everyone thinks it’s broken who cares if it’s sneasel level

[22-Mar-20 08:45 PM] levi#6206
It was bc of the ladder tour

[22-Mar-20 08:45 PM] Ninja#8225
The ladder tour has just further emphasised

[22-Mar-20 08:45 PM] Ninja#8225
That cutie needs to go

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:45 PM] levi#6206
Cutie was already on the plate as generally agreed upon to be banworthy during the apix suspect

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:45 PM] levi#6206
We delayed it for reasons independent of its brokenness

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:48 PM] hongli#4483
2. When a topic is being seriously discussed for a quickban, it will be mentioned in the metagame discussion thread at least a week before the potential quickban so that non-council members can share their thoughts. However, if the council unanimously agrees a topic is so overwhelming that it shouldn't even warrant a basic discussion (think Scyther/Sneasel/Swirlix levels of powerful) then it will be autobanned, completely bypassing quickban discussion and voting. This will be determined with a swift informal vote at or around the time of the release.

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:49 PM] hongli#4483
we haven't posted in forums

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 08:49 PM] hongli#4483
that we want to do a quickban on qt anyways

[22-Mar-20 08:49 PM] Ninja#8225
The premier LC side server and tour has alr made the move to ban cutie

[22-Mar-20 08:49 PM] Ninja#8225
We should follow

[22-Mar-20 08:49 PM] Coconut#8762
It's more just

[22-Mar-20 08:50 PM] Coconut#8762
blaming the ladder tour is really really bad

[22-Mar-20 08:50 PM] Coconut#8762
when we could have just quickbanned cutiefly

[22-Mar-20 08:50 PM] Coconut#8762
before or after the ladder tour

[22-Mar-20 08:50 PM] levi#6206
We could qb rn if we get 12 votes

[22-Mar-20 08:50 PM] Coconut#8762
we cannot

[22-Mar-20 08:50 PM] hongli#4483
i'm fine with doing a quickban if we at least post about it

[22-Mar-20 08:50 PM] hongli#4483
no

[22-Mar-20 08:50 PM] Coconut#8762
the rules that you wrote say

[22-Mar-20 08:50 PM] Coconut#8762
we need to wait a week

[22-Mar-20 08:50 PM] hongli#4483
that's only if it's sneasel level

[22-Mar-20 08:50 PM] Coconut#8762
after making a post

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] hongli#4483
where if it's unanimous makes a difference

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] levi#6206
Do we rlly not have a single post

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] hongli#4483
no

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] levi#6206
Unlucky

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] Ninja#8225
Let’s say it’s sneasel level

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] levi#6206
Guess we gotta suspect then

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] Ninja#8225
13-0 that’s good enough for me

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] Coconut#8762
no one on council has explicated stated

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] hongli#4483
then that'd be an incredibly bad faith argument

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] levi#6206
The bureaucracy wins again

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] Coconut#8762
this whole council should be thrown out

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] Coconut#8762
if we do that

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] Coconut#8762
genuinely

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] Coconut#8762
if we equate sneasel to cutiefly

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] Ninja#8225
the result is more important than the process

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] Ninja#8225
ok let’s equate it to swirlix

[22-Mar-20 08:51 PM] Coconut#8762
I agree, but that doesn't make the process unimportant

[22-Mar-20 08:52 PM] Coconut#8762
if it's similar to swirlix

[22-Mar-20 08:52 PM] Coconut#8762
we should have banned it

[22-Mar-20 08:52 PM] Coconut#8762
during SPL

[22-Mar-20 08:52 PM] Coconut#8762
or in november

[22-Mar-20 08:52 PM] hongli#4483
why not just make a post now that we're considering a cutie quick ban

[22-Mar-20 08:52 PM] Ninja#8225
Well this meta is only a couple weeks old

[22-Mar-20 08:52 PM] hongli#4483
if a week passes and it's all fine

[22-Mar-20 08:52 PM] hongli#4483
then it's still faster

[22-Mar-20 08:52 PM] Coconut#8762
this meta is over a month old

[22-Mar-20 08:52 PM] hongli#4483
than doing an entire suspect

[22-Mar-20 08:52 PM] Coconut#8762
veils being removed didn't change shit

[22-Mar-20 08:52 PM] Ninja#8225
Why did we make a rule saying it needs to be posted a week before

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] Ninja#8225
That’s so long

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] Coconut#8762
levi did it

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] Ninja#8225
Can we delete that rule

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] hongli#4483
to prevent the community being blindsided

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] Coconut#8762
and honestly it makes sense

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] hongli#4483
by quickbans like w floon

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] Coconut#8762
we're not just gonna ban things immediately

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] Coconut#8762
without making it clear why

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] Ninja#8225
floon was broken too it would’ve been better to ban it

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] levi#6206
This meta is over a month old bc we’ve repeatedly delayed cutie in favour of apix and then ladder tour

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] Coconut#8762
like what if we all just jerked each other off

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] Coconut#8762
that ziggy was busted

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] levi#6206
Not bc we were unsure about cutie during that month

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] Coconut#8762
everyone in this chat agreed

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] Coconut#8762
ziggy is broken

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] Ninja#8225
Well cutie being busted is an opinion held by the public

[22-Mar-20 08:53 PM] Coconut#8762
but no one outside of this chat does

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] levi#6206
We strongly considered its brokenness within like a week

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] Coconut#8762
Sure

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] Ninja#8225
like ppl have said it before

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] hongli#4483
so if it's held by the public

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] hongli#4483
we post a week in advance

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] hongli#4483
and things proceed smoothly

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] Ninja#8225
no ones going around saying Ziggy is broken

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] Coconut#8762
but we should be able to see

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] Ninja#8225
Yea but then there isn’t enough time

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] Coconut#8762
that no one thinks it's broken

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] levi#6206
Ok let’s post now

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] Ninja#8225
For rufflet before lcpl

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] levi#6206
Well we’re getting a shrugpost soon right

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] Coconut#8762
oh fucking well

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] levi#6206
@Shrug

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] Coconut#8762
if you wanted rufflet before LCPL

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] levi#6206
We won’t have time anyways

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] Coconut#8762
we should have posted about cutiefly

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] Coconut#8762
right the fuck away

[22-Mar-20 08:54 PM] levi#6206
..

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] levi#6206
Coco you were literally the one who wanted cutie delayed

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] Ninja#8225
i didn’t realise there was some dumb rule about a week’s notice

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] levi#6206
For the ladder tour

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] hongli#4483
that's because

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] hongli#4483
we were talking about

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] hongli#4483
doing a qt suspect

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] Coconut#8762
february 12th

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] hongli#4483
no one brought up

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] hongli#4483
quickbanning it

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] hongli#4483
until today

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] Coconut#8762
we should have posted

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] hongli#4483
no?

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] Coconut#8762
I wanted a cutiefly suspect test

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] levi#6206
Bc apix was on our plate first

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] Coconut#8762
after veils

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] levi#6206
That was the first delay

[22-Mar-20 08:55 PM] levi#6206
Then the ladder tour was the second

[22-Mar-20 08:56 PM] Coconut#8762
neither is a "delay"

[22-Mar-20 08:56 PM] Shrug#7659
im posting rn

[22-Mar-20 08:56 PM] levi#6206
But ya I think ruff before lcpl is prob unrealistic anyways

[22-Mar-20 08:56 PM] Coconut#8762
please make it a serious post shrug

[22-Mar-20 08:56 PM] levi#6206
I think we should delay lcpl if we want to look into it

[22-Mar-20 08:56 PM] hongli#4483
it's not like ladder tour makes ppl unable to discuss tiering decisions

[22-Mar-20 08:56 PM] hongli#4483
in here

[22-Mar-20 08:56 PM] levi#6206
Which idt is a serious concern

[22-Mar-20 08:56 PM] hongli#4483
i agree w coco, that's not rly a delay

[22-Mar-20 08:56 PM] hongli#4483
and we're discussing ruff now while qt is on the plate atm

[22-Mar-20 08:56 PM] Ninja#8225
What no don’t delay it

[22-Mar-20 08:56 PM] hongli#4483
veils  suspect wasnt a delay either

[22-Mar-20 08:56 PM] Ninja#8225
Signups are already too long

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] Coconut#8762
why not just

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] Coconut#8762
suspect it during week 1-2

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] brewfasa#4532
ya wtf why would we delay lcpl

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] levi#6206
What I mean is that I thought cutie should be dealt w during the ladder tour

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] levi#6206
But coco felt that it should wait until afterwards

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] Coconut#8762
I see no problem with delaying the most important tour in the LC community

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] hongli#4483
that's because we only ever talked about doing a suspect for cutie

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] hongli#4483
no one brought up quickbanning

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] brewfasa#4532
qb cutie in a week

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] Coconut#8762
again, we could have quickbanned it

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] Coconut#8762
today

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] Coconut#8762
if there was discussion

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] Coconut#8762
last week

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] Coconut#8762
and then we'd have time for rufflet

[22-Mar-20 08:57 PM] Ninja#8225
let’s just do it today anyway

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] Coconut#8762
that's dishonest

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] hongli#4483
i'm fine with holding a ruff suspect for like

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] Coconut#8762
no

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] hongli#4483
the first 1-2 weeks of lcpl

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] Ninja#8225
Oh well it gets the desired result

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] hongli#4483
the issue with suspects during lcpl is that it invalidates a lot of work/prep right

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] levi#6206
Let’s combine circuit and suspect

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] Coconut#8762
no

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] hongli#4483
it being only for the first week or two mitigates that issue

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] levi#6206
It also diverts focus

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] Coconut#8762
it doesn't mitigate it

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] Ninja#8225
Let’s give reqs to ladder tour qualifiers and we will vote now on Cutie

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] levi#6206
Which is probably less problematic for the first week

[22-Mar-20 08:58 PM] hongli#4483
it's less work wasted compared to

[22-Mar-20 08:59 PM] hongli#4483
if there was a suspect at like

[22-Mar-20 08:59 PM] hongli#4483
week 4 or 5

[22-Mar-20 08:59 PM] Coconut#8762
but it does dilute it

[22-Mar-20 09:00 PM] Coconut#8762
again, I think people can focus on

[22-Mar-20 09:00 PM] Coconut#8762
two things at once

[22-Mar-20 09:00 PM] levi#6206
Shrug is bringing up both cutie and ruff

[22-Mar-20 09:01 PM] Coconut#8762
if the post doesn't accurately reflect the council

[22-Mar-20 09:01 PM] Coconut#8762
I'm deleting it

[22-Mar-20 09:01 PM] Coconut#8762
@Shrug

[22-Mar-20 09:01 PM] Coconut#8762
I'll post one myself if I have to

[22-Mar-20 09:05 PM] Serene Grace#5243
I dont see the issue with posting now, quickbanning on friday, and then suspecting X so that we have two weekends and we get a suspect done before LCPL starts
The one week rule in principle was just to make sure we dont make rash decisions and the public knows about whats going on

[22-Mar-20 09:05 PM] Serene Grace#5243
we dont need to follow it literally

[22-Mar-20 09:05 PM] Serene Grace#5243
and 4 days instead of a week because of lcpl

[22-Mar-20 09:05 PM] Serene Grace#5243
is a perfectly justifiable exception to the one week rule

[22-Mar-20 09:06 PM] Serene Grace#5243
its just bureaucracy to have to literally wait a week

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 09:11 PM] starmaster#8286
឵឵ ឵឵Today at 8:53 PM
everyone in this chat agreed
ziggy is broken

[22-Mar-20 09:11 PM] starmaster#8286
nah i said u were all clowns

[22-Mar-20 09:11 PM] Coconut#8762
that was a hypothetical

[22-Mar-20 09:11 PM] starmaster#8286
anyway

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] starmaster#8286
can we just put up a

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] starmaster#8286
"considering cutie qb" post

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] starmaster#8286
tonight

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] starmaster#8286
and ban it in a week

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] Coconut#8762
that's what we're doing

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] starmaster#8286
barring some ridic outcry

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] starmaster#8286
bet

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] Coconut#8762
the problem is we can't suspect rufflet

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] Coconut#8762
the day after we ban cutiefly

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] BurntZebra#8147
i think thats fine

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] Coconut#8762
it isn't.

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] hongli#4483
cutie being gone will impact the meta a ton

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] BurntZebra#8147
wdym

[22-Mar-20 09:12 PM] BurntZebra#8147
im fine with waiting to touch rufflet

[22-Mar-20 09:13 PM] starmaster#8286
ya we should 100% wait

[22-Mar-20 09:13 PM] BurntZebra#8147
does anyone think that gastly should be freed

[22-Mar-20 09:13 PM] Ninja#8225
yea

[22-Mar-20 09:13 PM] Ninja#8225
i do

[22-Mar-20 09:13 PM] Coconut#8762
I think it's something we should consider

[22-Mar-20 09:13 PM] Coconut#8762
far down the line

[22-Mar-20 09:13 PM] Coconut#8762
what checks it ninja

[22-Mar-20 09:13 PM] hongli#4483
munch got terribad with knock coverage back to normal

[22-Mar-20 09:13 PM] BurntZebra#8147
munchlax... and uh

[22-Mar-20 09:13 PM] BurntZebra#8147
munch

[22-Mar-20 09:13 PM] starmaster#8286
i think gastly is for sure broken as shit

[22-Mar-20 09:14 PM] hongli#4483
which was like one of the only ways to not just check it hyper-offensively

[22-Mar-20 09:14 PM] starmaster#8286
theres no way this mon is ever balanced w/o pursuit

[22-Mar-20 09:15 PM] Serene Grace#5243
...

[22-Mar-20 09:15 PM] Serene Grace#5243
free gastly is a meme

[22-Mar-20 09:15 PM] Ninja#8225
idk broken offensive stuff is ok u cant switch in guaranteed rly

[22-Mar-20 09:15 PM] Ninja#8225
but it doesnt come in on much i think overall its a better meta w gastly

[22-Mar-20 09:16 PM] BurntZebra#8147
yeah but gastly forces out like 90% of the meta

[22-Mar-20 09:16 PM] BurntZebra#8147
once it comes in

[22-Mar-20 09:16 PM] hongli#4483
cutie being gone

[22-Mar-20 09:16 PM] hongli#4483
also means that there's one less offensive check for it

[22-Mar-20 09:17 PM] Coconut#8762
anything that comes into gastly (that isn't munchlax) can get 2hko'd by tbolt.

[22-Mar-20 09:17 PM] Ninja#8225
wht about mudbray

[22-Mar-20 09:17 PM] Ninja#8225
gastly cant run all 6 attacks it needs

[22-Mar-20 09:17 PM] hongli#4483
slammed by eball

[22-Mar-20 09:17 PM] Ninja#8225
maybe 7

[22-Mar-20 09:17 PM] Serene Grace#5243
broken donkey

[22-Mar-20 09:17 PM] Serene Grace#5243
lets ban mudbray

[22-Mar-20 09:17 PM] hongli#4483
it can't run all the attacks it wants no

[22-Mar-20 09:17 PM] hongli#4483
but it's not like

[22-Mar-20 09:17 PM] hongli#4483
you have the free room to scout

[22-Mar-20 09:17 PM] hongli#4483
vs a mon so potent like gastly

[22-Mar-20 09:18 PM] starmaster#8286
what do u even miss with

[22-Mar-20 09:18 PM] starmaster#8286
stabs psychic tbolt

[22-Mar-20 09:19 PM] Ninja#8225
ferro ground types

[22-Mar-20 09:19 PM] starmaster#8286
.

[22-Mar-20 09:19 PM] starmaster#8286
sball does a metric dickload

[22-Mar-20 09:19 PM] hongli#4483
!dt shadow ball

[22-Mar-20 09:19 PM] Ninja#8225
doesnt ferro live 2

[22-Mar-20 09:19 PM] hongli#4483
i would wager if it's running 16 spdef no

[22-Mar-20 09:19 PM] Coconut#8762
okay so we should unban gastly

[22-Mar-20 09:20 PM] hongli#4483
200 SpA Life Orb Gastly Shadow Ball vs. 84 HP / 100 SpD Eviolite Ferroseed: 9-13 (40.9 - 59%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

[22-Mar-20 09:20 PM] hongli#4483
ya

[22-Mar-20 09:20 PM] Coconut#8762
because two pokemon that lose to riolu

[22-Mar-20 09:20 PM] Coconut#8762
can come into it

[22-Mar-20 09:20 PM] hongli#4483
88% chance w.o rocks

[22-Mar-20 09:20 PM] Ninja#8225
no ones using riolu

[22-Mar-20 09:20 PM] Ninja#8225
its fine

[22-Mar-20 09:20 PM] Coconut#8762
what about tyrogue

[22-Mar-20 09:20 PM] Serene Grace#5243
tcr uses riolu

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 09:20 PM] Coconut#8762
someone used it

[22-Mar-20 09:20 PM] Coconut#8762
during ladder tour

[22-Mar-20 09:20 PM] Coconut#8762
idr who

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 09:21 PM] Shrug#7659
can i get a link to the thread w the rules on when we can qb something

[22-Mar-20 09:21 PM] Coconut#8762
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lc-tiering-info.3658274/

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[22-Mar-20 09:21 PM] Coconut#8762
first post

[22-Mar-20 09:25 PM] Serene Grace#5243
theres new evidence we did bring up the suspect publicly

[22-Mar-20 09:25 PM] Serene Grace#5243
we can quick ban

[22-Mar-20 09:26 PM] hongli#4483
was it in metagame discussion thread

[22-Mar-20 09:26 PM] levi#6206
the one week rule is good and idt it affects lcpl

[22-Mar-20 09:26 PM] levi#6206
we wont have time for rufflet regardless unless we do it immediately after cutie

[22-Mar-20 09:26 PM] levi#6206
in which case we'll have time anyways

[22-Mar-20 09:26 PM] levi#6206
but idt we should

[22-Mar-20 09:27 PM] Serene Grace#5243

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[22-Mar-20 09:27 PM] Coconut#8762
that's not a forum post

[22-Mar-20 09:27 PM] Coconut#8762
we've talked about it a bunch of times on the discord

[22-Mar-20 09:28 PM] Serene Grace#5243
in some ways the club penguin podcast was like a forum post

[22-Mar-20 09:28 PM] BurntZebra#8147
did we specify what forum

[22-Mar-20 09:28 PM] hongli#4483
yes

[22-Mar-20 09:28 PM] BurntZebra#8147
could be the club penguin roman forum

[22-Mar-20 09:28 PM] Ninja#8225
yea we posted it in every lc related discord

[22-Mar-20 09:28 PM] Coconut#8762
it will be mentioned in the metagame discussion thread

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 10:16 PM] Kingler#6931
If you guys are playing club penguin I’d definitely be down

[22-Mar-20 10:17 PM] Kingler#6931
After lcpl is there anyone you guys were looking to add?

[22-Mar-20 10:17 PM] BurntZebra#8147
pablo?

[22-Mar-20 10:17 PM] Coconut#8762
kingler you know the really old slowpoke meme

[22-Mar-20 10:17 PM] Coconut#8762
that's you like literally all the time my dude

[22-Mar-20 10:18 PM] Ninja#8225
we could do another club penguin discussion video

[22-Mar-20 10:18 PM] Ninja#8225
we could announce the cutiefly qb via a club penguin cast

[redacted]

[22-Mar-20 10:22 PM] levi#6206
i guess we have to exclude pablo until he turns 18 then

[22-Mar-20 10:22 PM] levi#6206
who are we adding instead

[22-Mar-20 10:22 PM] Ninja#8225
from shrug:

[22-Mar-20 10:22 PM] levi#6206
letes add bbb

[22-Mar-20 10:23 PM] Ninja#8225
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/518974491179876384/691471964157509686/unknown.png

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[22-Mar-20 10:23 PM] Shrug#7659
caption: doing my part for the council

[22-Mar-20 10:23 PM] Shrug#7659
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/metagame-discussion-thread.3656348/page-8

[22-Mar-20 10:24 PM] Coconut#8762
does band rufflet get worse with webs gone

[22-Mar-20 10:24 PM] BurntZebra#8147
quoting levi doesnt really do much, right

[22-Mar-20 10:24 PM] levi#6206
webs isnt gone but it does get worse with cutie gone

[22-Mar-20 10:25 PM] levi#6206
idt it was ever ruff's main set tho

[22-Mar-20 10:25 PM] BurntZebra#8147
seeing as hes not TL

[22-Mar-20 10:25 PM] Coconut#8762
does band rufflet get worse with cutiefly gone

[22-Mar-20 10:25 PM] Shrug#7659
he wrote the rules in question

[22-Mar-20 10:25 PM] Shrug#7659
like not rlly

[22-Mar-20 10:25 PM] Shrug#7659
maybe marginally

[22-Mar-20 10:25 PM] Coconut#8762
I think it still hits

[22-Mar-20 10:25 PM] Coconut#8762
stupid hard

[22-Mar-20 10:25 PM] Coconut#8762
but not being able to outspeed everything

[22-Mar-20 10:25 PM] Shrug#7659
there are so many situations where 16 outspeeds anyway

[22-Mar-20 10:25 PM] Coconut#8762
kinda sucks

[22-Mar-20 10:25 PM] Shrug#7659
like what one mon that cant come in?

[22-Mar-20 10:25 PM] Shrug#7659
two maybe?

[22-Mar-20 10:26 PM] Coconut#8762
it's still a nuke but having to lose a mon

[22-Mar-20 10:26 PM] Coconut#8762
to bring it in

[22-Mar-20 10:26 PM] hongli#4483
main things ur not outspeeding r like

[22-Mar-20 10:26 PM] Coconut#8762
or bringing it in on an EQ I guess

[22-Mar-20 10:26 PM] Shrug#7659
pivot

[22-Mar-20 10:26 PM] hongli#4483
ponyta/qt/onix

[22-Mar-20 10:26 PM] Coconut#8762
with what pivot

[22-Mar-20 10:26 PM] Coconut#8762
pancham?

[22-Mar-20 10:26 PM] hongli#4483
all three of which can be dealt w by trappers to some extent

[22-Mar-20 10:26 PM] Shrug#7659
vull

[22-Mar-20 10:26 PM] Coconut#8762
vull's faster

[22-Mar-20 10:26 PM] Coconut#8762
unless you're running like

[22-Mar-20 10:27 PM] Coconut#8762
slow pivot vull

[22-Mar-20 10:27 PM] Shrug#7659
vull checks are slow

[22-Mar-20 10:27 PM] Coconut#8762
onix and pawn

[22-Mar-20 10:27 PM] Coconut#8762
are not slow

[22-Mar-20 10:27 PM] Shrug#7659
well then u overload them

[22-Mar-20 10:27 PM] Coconut#8762
spritzee is

[22-Mar-20 10:27 PM] Coconut#8762
I guess

[22-Mar-20 10:27 PM] hongli#4483
you outspeed pawn anyways

[22-Mar-20 10:27 PM] hongli#4483
though it does have sucker

[22-Mar-20 10:29 PM] levi#6206
still think setup ruff is its most busted set but band/scarf play off it rlly well + the different setup ruffs do too

[22-Mar-20 10:29 PM] Coconut#8762
technically you do not outspeed pawn.

[22-Mar-20 10:29 PM] Coconut#8762
you tie at worst.

[22-Mar-20 10:30 PM] hongli#4483
i would assume most pawn

[22-Mar-20 10:30 PM] hongli#4483
r  running ada in this meta

[22-Mar-20 10:30 PM] hongli#4483
but yeah it's not a 100%

[22-Mar-20 10:30 PM] Coconut#8762
I don't think they would be

[22-Mar-20 10:30 PM] Coconut#8762
if rufflet is the top threat

[22-Mar-20 10:31 PM] hongli#4483
you deal w choice rufflet sets relatively well enough

[22-Mar-20 10:31 PM] hongli#4483
w sucker anyways

[22-Mar-20 10:32 PM] Coconut#8762
but then you get the bulky sets

[22-Mar-20 10:33 PM] hongli#4483
yeah but

[22-Mar-20 10:33 PM] hongli#4483
if you see it using bbird rather than aace

[22-Mar-20 10:34 PM] hongli#4483
you'll be able to tell which set it is

[22-Mar-20 10:34 PM] hongli#4483
or if bbird does less dmg than it should from a full atk choice ruff

[22-Mar-20 10:35 PM] hongli#4483
pawn isn't really bulky enough to be used as a like end-all check for birds anyways

[22-Mar-20 10:35 PM] hongli#4483
u usually have some other bird answer if ur running pawn

[22-Mar-20 10:35 PM] hongli#4483
checking choice sets on its own should be fine

[22-Mar-20 10:38 PM] hongli#4483
also set up ruff is often run w pinch

[22-Mar-20 10:38 PM] BurntZebra#8147
until pawn switches in vs a choice band brave bird

[22-Mar-20 10:38 PM] BurntZebra#8147
or any fighting move

[22-Mar-20 10:38 PM] BurntZebra#8147
from rufflet

[22-Mar-20 10:38 PM] hongli#4483
so i'd argue that ada pawn is better for dealing w ruff anyways

[22-Mar-20 10:39 PM] hongli#4483
yeah im not saying pawn is a good answer