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  1. Manic sighs.
  2. [1:32:14 AM] JL_muserwolves: what's wrong, good sir
  3. [1:32:14 AM] Manic: I swear to god, every time I turn around, great swathes of replies to my thread get culled. Even stuff that isn't spam.
  4. [1:32:28 AM] JL_muserwolves: Hmm.
  5. [1:32:39 AM] Manic: I try to take a reasonable view on it, but this is actually starting to get on my fucking nerves.
  6. [1:35:00 AM] Manic: Enough people have been scared away from replying to my runs that spam isn't an issue anymore. Seriously, if the mods don't start backing off...
  7. [1:37:29 AM] JL_muserwolves: Well, seeing as Kinkajou and Pillow are both on this chat it couldn't be that hard to just talk to them about it...
  8. [1:37:48 AM] Manic: I've lost count of the number of times I've tried talking about it.
  9. [1:38:08 AM] Manic: It's always the same justification. "You're popular so we're cracking down on you extra-hard", in essence.
  10. [1:38:49 AM] JL_muserwolves: And yet, we don't particularly see the same thing happening with other popular threads in FCR proper
  11. [1:39:15 AM] Manic: There was a time when this was necessary. Now, what with all the shrieking and all the threats and all the overenforcement, enough people are terrified to reply to my threads for any reason that spam just isn't a factor anymore.
  12. [1:39:39 AM] Manic: And still, I see updates that were on different pages combined onto the same page because huge numbers of replies get ripped away.
  13. [1:41:28 AM] JL_muserwolves: Very strange. I have no explanation to offer, unfortunately.
  14. [1:41:47 AM] Manic: I wouldn't expect you to.
  15. [1:42:22 AM] Manic: Honestly, working WITH the moderation team has gotten me nowhere fast. I'm seriously tempted to take the opposite tactic.
  16. [1:43:27 AM] Manic: Go on hiatus now, during the finale. Encourage my readers to let the moderators know, in great detail, how they feel about the fact that they - and I - have been harassed enough that I'm not terribly interested in continuing on this forum.
  17. [1:43:36 AM] Manic: If nice doesn't work, maybe nasty will.
  18. [1:55:22 AM] Shinymon/Ikande: Well, I wouldn't suggest it
  19. [1:55:23 AM] Shinymon/Ikande: to be fair
  20. [1:55:35 AM] Shinymon/Ikande: but I mean, rebellions are always fun.
  21.  
  22. [6:28:57 AM] Raverist: Manic, just cut an update at a crucial point, likeTerry getting hit with an SE attack that you know he survives, then go on hiatus until shit changes.
  23. [6:29:05 AM] Raverist: That's what I would do.
  24. [6:29:28 AM] C'est Levi: yes
  25. [6:29:32 AM | Edited 6:29:37 AM] C'est Levi: of course
  26. [6:29:33 AM] C'est Levi: best idea
  27. [6:30:32 AM] C'est Levi: may I remind you you're complaining about meaningless comments on a Pokemon fanfiction forum being removed to reduce clutter and improve readability for users committed to making an intelligent post, at the age of 37? :V
  28. [6:30:38 AM] C'est Levi: there's really no need to be angry at all
  29. [6:30:44 AM] C'est Levi: even if you want to argue by principle
  30. [6:33:31 AM] Raverist: Sheesh levi, what's your problem with folk?
  31. [6:35:25 AM] Raverist: He's irked because positive comments are being nuked along with the spam.
  32. [6:35:42 AM] Raverist: And yet you come out with that sorta crap despite there being much worse out there?
  33. [6:35:50 AM] Raverist: read: the beeyoncelocke
  34. [6:36:01 AM] Raverist: I just don't get you at all.
  35. [6:44:00 AM] C'est Levi: I ignore that run?
  36. [6:44:09 AM] C'est Levi: and nobody who owns it is complaining on Skype
  37. [6:44:21 AM] C'est Levi: Manic doesn't have any good reason to be angry about anything
  38. [6:44:23 AM] C'est Levi: :Y
  39. [7:18:42 AM] Manic: Levi is just kind of a bitch.
  40. [7:18:55 AM] Manic: Always has been, always will be, and not just toward me. I've just come to accept it.
  41. [7:19:26 AM] Manic: Also, I'm not 37, so check yourself before you wreck yourself. <3
  42.  
  43. [4:20:25 PM] C'est Levi: [7:19 AM] Manic:
  44.  
  45. <<< Levi is just kind of a bitch.
  46. Always has been, always will be, and not just toward me. I've just come to accept it.
  47. Also, I'm not 37, so check yourself before you wreck yourself. <3sorry, you're 36, I apologise for forgetting again
  48.  
  49. [5:48:55 PM] Manic: It's true, doesn't change your still-irrelevant point. :)
  50.  
  51. [5:55:25 PM] C'est Levi: http://www.avaaz.org/en/maldives_global/?cqQFreb
  52. [5:55:26 PM] C'est Levi: :I
  53. [5:55:44 PM] C'est Levi: [5:49 PM] Manic:
  54.  
  55. <<< It's true, doesn't change your still-irrelevant point. :)my point's not irrelevant >_>
  56. [5:55:54 PM] C'est Levi: it also makes perfect sense
  57. [5:55:57 PM] LadyChocobo: rawr~
  58. [6:16:52 PM] Mountain Bandit worth 8 million: i love how that argument's still a thing
  59. [6:17:26 PM] LadyChocobo: it is kinda entertaining~
  60. [6:18:06 PM] MagicalPanda: :v
  61. [6:18:08 PM] MagicalPanda: what even happened
  62. [6:18:25 PM] LadyChocobo: idunno, but from what i've read on the backlog
  63. [6:18:46 PM] LadyChocobo: i guess levi was questioning why manic was mad about the mods removing posts from his thread
  64. [6:19:11 PM] Manic: Not so much questioning as claiming I had no right to be upset.
  65. [6:19:46 PM] MagicalPanda: ...Is that really still a thing
  66. [6:19:53 PM | Edited 6:20:03 PM] LadyChocobo: apprentely >__>
  67. [6:20:01 PM] C'est Levi: my point was that you're being upset about things you have no reason to be
  68. [6:20:02 PM] C'est Levi: like this
  69. [6:20:20 PM] MagicalPanda: okay okay okay. hold up, levi.
  70. [6:20:26 PM] MagicalPanda: Manic, you're still upset about it?
  71. [6:20:48 PM] Manic: Yes, there's no reason at all for me to be upset that I'm receiving discriminatory treatment and huge swathes of non-spam comments are -currently- being removed from my threads.
  72. [6:21:21 PM] C'est Levi: can you provide some example of the posts getting deleted?
  73. [6:21:22 PM] MagicalPanda: "discriminatory treament"
  74. [6:21:27 PM] MagicalPanda: could you be more specific
  75. [6:22:12 PM] Manic: No, because they're gone.
  76. [6:22:51 PM] Manic: Panda, my thread is being actively watched by moderators and routinely 'cleaned'. I don't object to spam being removed, but non-spam comments are being killed too. The sorts of things I can find in other threads all over the place.
  77. [6:23:14 PM] Manic: As in, updates are winding up on the same page because the comments between are being killed.
  78. [6:25:20 PM] MagicalPanda: hmm.
  79. [6:25:36 PM] MagicalPanda: you've talked to pillow about it already, right?
  80. [6:27:32 PM] C'est Levi: it might be unneccessary but if a moderator that doesn't like you is removing comments from your run there's nothing you can do
  81. [6:27:35 PM] C'est Levi: and it's a Pokemon forum
  82. [6:27:45 PM] C'est Levi: so there's no use getting so worked up
  83. [6:27:47 PM] C'est Levi: like you always do
  84. [6:27:53 PM] MagicalPanda: [6:28 PM] C'est Levi:
  85.  
  86. <<< it might be unneccessary but if a moderator that doesn't like you is removing comments from your run there's nothing you can dothat's a bit untrue
  87. [6:28:00 PM] C'est Levi: it's probably what caused any feeling of resentment in the first place
  88. [6:28:23 PM] C'est Levi: well of course you can report them
  89. [6:28:25 PM] C'est Levi: :V
  90. [6:28:31 PM] Manic: I've talked to several mods.
  91. [6:28:47 PM] C'est Levi: how do you know the comments are being removed?
  92. [6:29:43 PM] MagicalPanda: actually, WHY were these comments removed? If you don't think they were spam or attacks, what possible reason could the mods have to remove them?
  93. [6:30:10 PM] C'est Levi: the mods don't like Manic so they're channelling their dislike in silly ways
  94. [6:30:16 PM] C'est Levi: or they just consider the comments spam
  95. [6:30:17 PM] C'est Levi: and you don't
  96. [6:30:46 PM] Manic: They've openly said that they're being over-aggressive with enforcement because of who I am.
  97. [6:31:03 PM] Manic: Anyway, Levi, you're utterly ignorant about this entire topic, by your own admission.
  98. [6:31:16 PM] C'est Levi: by my own admission? :V
  99. [6:31:53 PM | Removed 6:32:03 PM] MagicalPanda: This message has been removed.
  100. [6:32:05 PM] MagicalPanda: oh wait
  101. [6:32:07 PM] MagicalPanda: I misread it
  102. [6:32:18 PM] MagicalPanda: well then that's kinda...stupid...
  103. [6:33:02 PM] Manic: You've admitted that you don't read the run and you don't pay attention.
  104. [6:33:26 PM] LadyChocobo: LadyChocobo rolls
  105. [6:33:43 PM] MagicalPanda: I'm just going to say that I don't read the run either, lol
  106. [6:37:00 PM] Manic: You don't have to read the run to understand that what's happening is wrong.
  107. [6:37:16 PM] MagicalPanda: And I do.
  108. [7:11:23 PM] SABERinBLUE: Manic, have you heard of Hale?
  109. [7:12:16 PM] SABERinBLUE: Hale was one of the first extremely popular Nuzlockers
  110. [7:12:26 PM] SABERinBLUE: no one had any single thing against him
  111. [7:12:34 PM] SABERinBLUE: especially not the admins or mods
  112. [7:12:51 PM] SABERinBLUE: but
  113. [7:12:57 PM] MagicalPanda: ohai saber
  114. [7:12:57 PM] SABERinBLUE: his thread had so many fans
  115. [7:12:59 PM] Castform (Taprus): And then...he disappeared?
  116. [7:13:02 PM] SABERinBLUE: that
  117. [7:13:05 PM] SABERinBLUE: for his first run
  118. [7:13:13 PM] Bullet: http://s7.zetaboards.com/Nuzlocke_Forum/topic/848749/1/
  119.  
  120. http://s7.zetaboards.com/Nuzlocke_Forum/topic/8326594/1/
  121.  
  122. these were the two threads that his one run had to go in
  123. [7:13:16 PM] SABERinBLUE: the thread became massively overrun with spam and offtopic stuff
  124. [7:13:28 PM] SABERinBLUE: the admins were tearing their hair out over it
  125. [7:13:33 PM] SABERinBLUE: it had NOTHING AT ALL to do with Hale
  126. [7:13:41 PM] Castform (Taprus): Something about abominations or something?
  127. [7:13:42 PM] SABERinBLUE: it had EVERYTHING to do with the fact that Hale was popular
  128. [7:14:00 PM] Castform (Taprus): As far as why the first thread was locked I mean
  129. [7:14:05 PM] SABERinBLUE: because he was popular, a lot more posts were happening in the thread, and a lot more attention to it was needed from moderators
  130. [7:14:08 PM] Bullet: too much spam
  131. [7:14:22 PM] SABERinBLUE: no one's persecuting you, Manic
  132. [7:14:31 PM] SABERinBLUE: they're just enforcing the rules
  133. [7:14:53 PM] MagicalPanda: I think the problem that Manic has is that the posts in question aren't what he labels as spam
  134. [7:15:03 PM] SABERinBLUE: well frankly it's not his call
  135. [7:15:07 PM] SABERinBLUE: it's the mods' call
  136. [7:15:09 PM] MagicalPanda: hm.
  137. [7:15:13 PM] MagicalPanda: true.
  138. [7:15:17 PM] SABERinBLUE: yes
  139. [7:16:07 PM] MagicalPanda: I don't really see a problem with that unless said posts were obviously not spam and were insightful and thought-provoking etc
  140. [7:16:25 PM] SABERinBLUE: from what I understand
  141. [7:16:54 PM] SABERinBLUE: they were spam by the definition of the board rules
  142. [7:17:05 PM] MagicalPanda: I see.
  143. [7:22:44 PM] SABERinBLUE: like, stuff like posting a youtube link to a buzz lightyear reaction to something happening in the run
  144. [7:22:58 PM] SABERinBLUE: this isn't GBS on something awful, it's a forum for sharing art
  145. [7:22:59 PM] SABERinBLUE: and commenting on art
  146. [7:24:40 PM] MagicalPanda: :U oh...
  147. [7:25:27 PM] LadyChocobo: yeah :V
  148. [7:29:17 PM] Bullet: if i may?
  149. [7:29:29 PM] Bullet: the mods might be doing a little too much
  150. [7:29:38 PM] Bullet: (i don't know, i don't really look at the thread)
  151. [7:29:58 PM] Bullet: but that's only because they want to make sure it doesn't blow up again
  152. [7:33:05 PM | Edited 7:37:17 PM] Kinky: [6:31 PM] Manic:
  153.  
  154. <<< They've openly said that they're being over-aggressive with enforcement because of who I am.Let me make this perfectly clear since you didn't listen the first several times we mods have said this
  155. [7:33:15 PM] Kinky: and put this in small words so you can understand them
  156. [7:33:19 PM | Edited 7:37:08 PM] Kinky: you are not that important
  157. [7:33:31 PM] Kinky: no one fucking cares that you write POKEMON FANFICTION on a pokemon forum
  158. [7:33:40 PM | Edited 7:37:25 PM] Kinky: we mods care insomuch that spam breaks the rules
  159. [7:34:02 PM] Kinky: we haven't hidden any of your posts
  160. [7:34:22 PM] Kinky: the amount of posts in your topic means shit in the long run
  161. [7:34:54 PM | Edited 7:36:57 PM] Kinky: and before you whine about us mods "not treating you fairly," it might help to talk to one more than every two weeks
  162. [7:35:29 PM] Kinky: instead of being passive-aggressive and airing it out to a bunch of people where two mods, who are ALWAYS around and willing to answer questions, can see it
  163. [7:37:51 PM] Manic: Fuck you, Kinky.
  164. [7:38:02 PM] Manic: You want to talk to me? Talk to me like a person.
  165. [7:38:15 PM] Manic: You want to put it in 'small words'? Let me reciprocate: back off.
  166. [7:38:19 PM] MagicalPanda: i do believe the proverbial shit has hit the proverbial fan
  167. [7:38:38 PM] LadyChocobo: it would appear so, yes
  168. [7:39:03 PM] Manic: I've tried playing nice with you. Obviously, it's not helping.
  169. [7:39:35 PM] Manic: I shouldn't have to badger mods constantly to receive fair treatment.
  170. [7:41:08 PM] SABERinBLUE: they kinda did tell you this was the way it was going to be, manic
  171. [7:41:34 PM] SABERinBLUE: now they're just...doing what they said they were going to do
  172. [7:48:07 PM] Manic: That doesn't make it acceptable.
  173. [7:49:11 PM] Manic: If my thread was generating spam, that would be one thing...but it's not.
  174. [7:49:15 PM] SABERinBLUE: you don't make the rules, manic
  175. [7:49:33 PM] SABERinBLUE: as defined by the board rules, yes it is
  176. [7:51:02 PM] Manic: *shrug* So I'm just supposed to lay down and accept unequal enforcement?
  177. [7:51:28 PM] SABERinBLUE: what about it is unequal?
  178. [7:51:34 PM] SABERinBLUE: they delete spam wherever they see it
  179. [7:51:40 PM] Manic: That's not true at all.
  180. [7:51:47 PM] SABERinBLUE: stay out, levi
  181. [7:52:53 PM] SABERinBLUE: I'm...kind of interested as to how you've come to this conclusion
  182. [7:53:25 PM] Manic: Because I can go to a dozen different threads and find posts -less- relevant than the ones that get deleted from my thread, and nobody breathes a word about them.
  183. [7:53:49 PM] SABERinBLUE: if you see spam you're very welcome to report it
  184. [7:54:24 PM] SABERinBLUE: of course the mods can't be everywhere at once, and of course they pay more attention to the more popular threads like yours
  185. [7:54:55 PM] SABERinBLUE: not because they're more suspicious of them
  186. [7:54:59 PM] Manic: I don't mind attention all that much. It's when huge swathes of replies, some of which have merit, go missing that I take exception.
  187. [7:55:09 PM] SABERinBLUE: just because there are more posts in them
  188. [7:55:16 PM] Manic: It definitely makes people feel like they can't post their feelings about the run.
  189. [7:55:37 PM] Manic: Of course, Kinky's psychotic screeching threats don't help.
  190. [7:55:44 PM] SABERinBLUE: hey I'm just gonna step aside here man, it's honestly between you and the staff
  191. [7:55:58 PM] Manic: *nod* Thank you for at least hearing me out.
  192.  
  193. [7:57:17 PM] Manic: I really have tried cooperating with them in every way, and it's gotten me nowhere.
  194. [7:57:23 PM] MagicalPanda: what
  195. [7:57:24 PM] MagicalPanda: what
  196. [7:57:27 PM] MagicalPanda: what is happening
  197. [7:57:29 PM] C'est Levi: that is totally unrelated to this
  198. [7:57:31 PM] C'est Levi: I assure you
  199. [7:57:43 PM] MagicalPanda: wow talk about bad timing, hmm?
  200. [7:57:50 PM] C'est Levi: she was pestering me :Y
  201. [7:57:54 PM] MagicalPanda: :v
  202. [7:57:54 PM] C'est Levi: I'm done, I'm going again
  203. [7:57:59 PM] LadyChocobo: later, levi
  204. [7:58:02 PM] MagicalPanda: levi you silly
  205. [7:58:06 PM] Castform (Taprus): hmm?
  206. [7:58:06 PM] C'est Levi: not actually leaving the chat
  207. [7:58:10 PM] C'est Levi: just shutting up
  208. [7:58:39 PM] Castform (Taprus): no just...that was random
  209. [7:59:14 PM] C'est Levi: it was random of her
  210. [7:59:16 PM] C'est Levi: not of me >_>
  211. [8:02:21 PM] Manic: So, uh.
  212. [8:02:27 PM] Manic: Hi there, khatrishouray!
  213. [8:03:06 PM] C'est Levi: I'm going to assume he isn't online
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