The Great Prescription Skip Debate [Chap. 5 - Ideas]

The Great Prescription Skip Debate
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Chapter 1 - Discovery:	http://pastebin.com/uxWcRhka
Chapter 2 - It Begins:	http://pastebin.com/wRsNmmhP
Chapter 3 - Analysis:	http://pastebin.com/iuStxa0J
Chapter 4 - Challenger:	http://pastebin.com/AuNF3GhC
Chapter 5 - Ideas: 	http://pastebin.com/7SaRZAvA
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[23:08] <@Cosmo> if we didnt label "WR" we could separate N64, VC, GCN, iQue, and emulators
[23:08] <@Cosmo> into separate tables
[23:08] <@jiano> down with separate tables
[23:09] <%RingRush> down with separate tables
[23:09] <@Cosmo> what about the option to split the tables
[23:09] <@Cosmo> filtering language etc
[23:09] <%RingRush> filters are the future
[23:09] <@Cosmo> like what ZSR tries to do but kinda doesnt do good enough
[23:09] <Orch|Brian> i dont like the idea with sepearate tables- it'd be complicated and cluttered for people new to speedrunning
[23:09] <boris> i dont even know about filters
[23:09] <%RingRush> separate tables are the stone age
[23:09] <poodleskirt> filtering is good
[23:09] <+zodiac> i dont like seperate tables
[23:09] <+zodiac> filtering owns though
[23:09] <%RingRush> dude some thing where you toggle a button that says "english"
[23:09] <Orch|Brian> i like filtering
[23:09] <boris> maybe if u could submit multiple runs for same category, different versions?
[23:09] <%RingRush> and all the times that aren't on english get grayed out
[23:09] <boris> and they are all hidden unless u split tables
[23:09] <@jiano> yeah, put themn all together, and have filter options
[23:09] <%RingRush> and the numbers get readjusted
[23:09] <%RingRush> would look sick
[23:09] <boris> cause when i split alttp by us version
[23:09] <boris> its just like
[23:09] <+zodiac> boris i think maxx wanted a feature like that
[23:10] <Orch|Brian> i agree with with jiano
[23:10] <boris> i suddenly have the best (usually only) time
[23:10] <boris> lol
[23:10] <+zodiac> you could submit more than 1 time but it would only show the best time unless you filter that time out
[23:10] <@jiano> emulator allowed/disallowed game by game basis
[23:10] <+Kryssstal> boris: that's why falcoeagle listed your english master sword time as "WR" lollll
[23:10] <@Cosmo> yea boris theres no way to submit more than 1 time for zsr at the moment
[23:10] <+Kryssstal> even though master sword is faster on eng ver than jp
[23:10] <boris> WHAT
[23:10] <poodleskirt> zodiac that's smart
[23:10] <boris> whyyyyyyyyyy
[23:10] <boris> i need to have a chat with him :p
[23:10] <%RingRush> if emulator is allowed at all it has to be game by game
[23:10] <@Cosmo> i agree w/ zodiac
[23:10] <+zodiac> why am i getting cred for this it was maxx's idea
[23:10] <+zodiac> lol
[23:10] <+Kryssstal> well I told him about it now
[23:10] <boris> o
[23:11] <boris> when you say ms is faster on eng
[23:11] <poodleskirt> i think the idea of emulator not being allowed at all is probably off the table
[23:11] <boris> are you talking about srl timing or sda timing
[23:11] <+Kryssstal> that's actually why I bothered to find out that master sword is 3 sec faster (under sda timing!! woo timing paradigms)
[23:11] <+Kryssstal> it's equal for srl
[23:11] <@Cosmo> what about N64 game without VC and emu is broken
[23:11] <boris> ah
[23:11] <+Kryssstal> like 3 frame difference
[23:11] <%RingRush> timing lol
[23:11] <boris> 3 frame difference in which direction? just curious
[23:11] <+Kryssstal> aside from boomdash or two, which is like 15 frames lol
[23:11] <%RingRush> that is a whole nother discussion
[23:11] <+Kryssstal> don't remember
[23:11] <poodleskirt> since it would translate to lots of records being delegitimized on a technicality which would hurt the credibility of the leaderboards imo
[23:11] <boris> dang
[23:12] <+Kryssstal> basically any version is 100% fair and equal for races in lttp master sword
[23:12] <+Kryssstal> a rarity for sure
[23:12] <poodleskirt> you wouldn't want ppl around saying "well SRL leaderboards say X has the record but THE REAL record is held by Y"
[23:12] <@Cosmo> exactly poodle
[23:12] <@Cosmo> that would ruin the entire point of them
[23:12] <poodleskirt> that would make it no better than SDA
[23:12] <@Cosmo> yea
[23:12] <+Kryssstal> except SRL people generally know more than others so I dunno why that would be an issue
[23:13] <poodleskirt> in that case i think you should only limit anything very very carefully
[23:13] <+Kryssstal> SDA also claims to just "archive videos" instead of host records
[23:13] <boris> i can respect sda saying that but in that sense i hate the fact that they list "best time" on the game pages
[23:13] <+Kryssstal> if someone looks to SDA for a record instead of looking around the actual community, that's their problem
[23:13] <Orch|Brian> ok, just wondering Cosmo are you planning to make srl a place to record WR for games?
[23:13] <boris> ppl infer wr from that lol
[23:14] <@Cosmo> well I think a lot of ppl agree we need leaderboards
[23:14] <@Cosmo> and it would be fun for everybody
[23:14] <@Cosmo> and we could stop having random google docs for leaderboards
[23:14] <+Kryssstal> also I wouldn't recommend just putting "WR" by default for whatever run is #1 on the board
[23:14] <@Cosmo> and we could point ppl to one place instead of 10 different places
[23:14] <@Cosmo> yea I dont think we could do that by default
[23:14] <+Kryssstal> like hotarubi wouldn't submit stuff for the games he still holds lol
[23:14] <Orch|Brian> ok, would there be varying people in charge for games?
[23:14] <Mr_Carter> Twin Galaxies does claim to host world records lol
[23:14] <@Cosmo> yea they do heh
[23:14] <boris> oh yeah thats one thing
[23:14] <Orch|Brian> like, you wouldn't be in charge of a game that you've never played before
[23:14] <boris> if we know about a record are we going to put it up ourselves
[23:15] <+pokey> SDA doesnt claim to have WRs
[23:15] <+pokey> they told me
[23:15] <@Cosmo> I wont be in charge at all
[23:15] <+pokey> i tried getting my run removed and they were like "we don't host wrs so leave it up"
[23:15] <+pokey> or something
[23:15] <@Cosmo> who is in change = the people who run the gmae
[23:15] <%mzxrules> twin galaxies has all the wrs
[23:15] <+Kryssstal> twin galaxies has a literally unobtainable time listed as the wr for dkc1 btw
[23:15] <+Kryssstal> it's a :28 or something
[23:16] <Mr_Carter> i agree, the community that runs the game should decide
[23:16] <+Kryssstal> they used the map warp (skips levels) in the "all levels" category
[23:16] <boris> how did that coem to be?
[23:16] <@Cosmo> i have a long history with OoT and OoT seems like one of the most disconnected games for running right now so thats one reason im trying to have this discussion
[23:16] <boris> lol
[23:16] <+pokey> dont use TG for times
[23:16] <+Kryssstal> no idea, tompa literally made a tas showing them that the record can't be obtained with frame perfect inputs
[23:16] <+pokey> they are great for points
[23:16] <+Kryssstal> and they didn't care
[23:16] <+zodiac> ya who cares about tg outside of bill mitchell
[23:16] <+pokey> he doesnt have the record anymore
[23:16] <+pokey> theres an exploit to get more points
[23:17] <+pokey> jumpining next to DK on the rivet stage
[23:17] <boris> >exploit
[23:17] <boris> thats not gonna fly with tg!!
[23:17] <+zodiac> thats been around forever
[23:17] <+pokey> and u get points like ur jumping over barrels
[23:17] <+pokey> ya
[23:17] <+pokey> but billy mitchell doesnt have the record anymore
[23:17] <+pokey> because of that
[23:17] <Orch|Brian> Cosmo any idea when you'll implement the leaderboards?
[23:17] <poodleskirt> maybe like, next to categories / versions listed on the board you could have an option exclusively for ppl who have raced the game to vote up or down on the legitimacy of the category / version or something
[23:17] <%RingRush> I saw those two /s and immediately started reading it like song lyrics
[23:17] <+zodiac> good fuck billy mitchell
[23:17] <qwerty1605> that is pretty retarded imo
[23:17] <poodleskirt> and if that cat/version reaches like less than 95% approval with at least 15 voters or something it is deleted
[23:18] <boris> the reddit of speedruns
[23:18] <boris> lolll
[23:18] <poodleskirt> idk i'm just shooting shit out there.
[23:18] <Orch|Brian> what if community hate that particular person poodleskirt
[23:18] <+zodiac> lol i just went on TG to look up the dk wr
[23:18] <+zodiac> and theyve got a new site design
[23:18] <+zodiac> still looks like a 12 year olds geocities page
[23:18] <Orch|Brian> but the run is legit
[23:18] <%RingRush> "people who have raced the game" would be way too broad of a category for that
[23:18] <poodleskirt> i don't think 95% of ppl hate me
[23:18] <+pokey> billy mitchell is terrible i agree
[23:18] <%RingRush> it would have to have some higher standard
[23:18] <+pokey> hot wife tho
[23:18] <+pokey> rlly hot wife
[23:18] <poodleskirt> i think the 95% is a pretty high standard
[23:18] <+zodiac> pics plz
[23:18] <Fenrikaz> Than what about
[23:18] <+Kryssstal> 4:58:02 Demon9 comment, rate, subscribe, +1
[23:19] <+pokey> have you not seen king of kong?
[23:19] <Fenrikaz> 95% than it gets pushed for a SRL op to check
[23:19] <poodleskirt> yeah, something like that fenrikaz
[23:19] <boris> lol
[23:19] <poodleskirt> obviously it can't be deleted outright
[23:19] <%RingRush> hopefully this starts small
[23:19] <boris> i dont think it should ever get to that point
[23:19] <@Cosmo> i think that upvote thing sounds more complex than its worth
[23:19] <%RingRush> since this is going to take a huge staff if it ever gest big
[23:19] <poodleskirt> yeah cosmo that crossed my mind
[23:19] <@Cosmo> ringrush : yes i think at first it would only allow a very small amount of games and categories
[23:19] <@Cosmo> and could slowly expand
[23:19] <@Cosmo> as we're sure what the rules / categories should be
[23:20] <+pokey> idk i thought she looked different in the movie
[23:20] <%RingRush> what would be the standard at the start
[23:20] <Orch|Brian> just do like, if a game is popular then the game would get its own group of leaders
[23:20] <Orch|Brian> to dicate the rules/categories
[23:20] <%RingRush> a certain amount of races on srl?
[23:20] <+Kryssstal> interest in leaderboards is certainly there though, look at how this picked up in the course of like a week or whatever http://deertier.com/RealTime.aspx
[23:20] <%RingRush> or approval of some srl streamer? or something
[23:20] <@Cosmo> games without controversy would be easy enough to add
[23:20] <@Cosmo> yea kryssstal
[23:20] <@Cosmo> ppl want leaderboards
[23:20] <+pokey> where will you host this
[23:20] <+pokey> ZSR??????
[23:20] <@Cosmo> but I think making like 100 different sites, wikis, and google docs is sort of bad
[23:20] <@Cosmo> we could unify it
[23:21] <%RingRush> dkspeeedruns.com
[23:21] <%RingRush> was made just to have leaderboards
[23:21] <+pokey> that site rules
[23:21] <+Kryssstal> lol
[23:21] <+pokey> thats the first site that comes up when i type "d" on chrome
[23:21] <+zodiac> speedrunslive.com/leaderboards
[23:21] <+zodiac> plz
[23:21] <@Cosmo> ya
[23:21] <+pokey> zsr should host all the leaderboards
[23:21] <Theworm826> that would be nice
[23:22] <poodleskirt> so yeah... i think the only things that should be banned from those leaderboards are things the players of the game pretty much unanimously agree should be banned
[23:23] <poodleskirt> controversial rules are solved by the filtering
[23:23] <poodleskirt> outside of that just let the circlejerk ride
[23:24] <+zodiac> ya pretty much agreed with poodle
[23:24] <%RingRush> you'ld ahve to be able to submit multiple times though
[23:24] <%RingRush> for thign like Super Metroid w/, w/o GT Code
[23:24] <@Cosmo> yea
[23:24] <%RingRush> that is controversial
[23:24] <@Cosmo> well those would be separate categories
[23:24] <+Kryssstal> GT code is just a separate category
[23:24] <+Kryssstal> lol
[23:24] <poodleskirt> yeah, if you don't filter just list the top time, problem solved
[23:24] <poodleskirt> ^zodiacs idea
[23:25] <%RingRush> dude, tsc style color codes
[23:25] <%RingRush> are so good
[23:25] <%RingRush> coloring by percentile somehow makes improving way more fun lol
[23:25] <+zodiac> is the gt thing in super metroid actually a code
[23:25] <+zodiac> i thought it was some weird glitch
[23:25] <+Kryssstal> probably a debug thing
[23:25] <+zodiac> didnt it only get found a year or two ago
[23:26] <+Kryssstal> yea
[23:26] <RME> NARPASSWORD v2
[23:26] <DLH> so.... you still need jp n64 cart or emu to do fastest oot 100%?
[23:27] <+zodiac> yes
[23:27] <+zodiac> does it really matter though
[23:27] <poodleskirt> or just be a baus on VC
[23:27] <+zodiac> you need vc for fastest every other category
[23:27] <+Kryssstal> also Cosmo I assume stuff like the mega man X collection wouldn't be allowed?
[23:27] <+Kryssstal> a rerelease of the game that eliminates lag
[23:27] <Fenrikaz> Zodiac you mean iQue right. Lol
[23:27] <@Cosmo> thats similar to VC, idk how that would work, it would basically depend on the mmx players
[23:28] <+zodiac> doesnt megamanx collection not display properly on modern tv
[23:28] <@Cosmo> im in no position to judge that
[23:28] <+zodiac> s
[23:28] <+Runnerguy2489> guys
[23:28] <+Kryssstal> no idea
[23:28] <RME> MMX2 vc actually has proper CX4 emulation I think
[23:28] <+Runnerguy2489> in 10 years nintendo will release a version of oot
[23:28] <+Kryssstal> but it's not a release of the "same game" like VC is
[23:28] <+zodiac> i know theres some megaman game that doesnt work right on 480p
[23:28] <+Runnerguy2489> where you press START to skip cutscenes
[23:28] <+Runnerguy2489> and all your problems will be solved
[23:28] <trackftv> x1 should be allowed imo
[23:28] <+zodiac> could u imagine tho rg...
[23:28] <@Cosmo> @RG they probably will lol
[23:28] <trackftv> x2 and x3 idk ask ygg
[23:28] <+zodiac> capcom did that with re2/3 on gamecube and naturally those versions are rare as fuck and cost like $80
[23:29] <+Kryssstal> does x1 XC play like the snes version then?
[23:29] <Theworm826> you could sell that for $80?
[23:29] <Theworm826> I should sell mine...
[23:29] <trackftv> no but it has the save screen after each level lol
[23:29] <trackftv> so the gain becomes almost nothing
[23:29] <+Kryssstal> lol
[23:29] <+Kryssstal> well if you're playing a version of the game that's that different, like a gba version, shouldn't it be a different thing anyway (or not listed at all)
[23:30] <+Kryssstal> lttp gba being on leaderboards would be bad because people would begin to care more about it probably
[23:30] <@Cosmo> this is sort of why separate tables are needed for certain things
[23:30] <+Kryssstal> it's just a different game
[23:30] <+Kryssstal> like sm64 ds
[23:30] <trackftv> xc has its own game lol
[23:30] <trackftv> people just forget about it
[23:31] <+Runnerguy2489> I like the idea of seperate tables
[23:31] <@Cosmo> yea like we COULD have separate tables for all versions but idk
[23:32] <@Cosmo> N64-U Any% table lol
[23:32] <@Cosmo> but there would be so many
[23:32] <+Runnerguy2489> then you'd have like GC
[23:32] <+Runnerguy2489> with 2 entries ever
[23:32] <@Cosmo> yep
[23:32] <Orch|Brian> please dont use tables, unless it's for arbitrary categories
[23:32] <Orch|Brian> just use filters
[23:32] <boris> my time would go in the n64-u any% table :)
[23:32] <+Kryssstal> HTML Tables, by Garrison
[23:33] <+zodiac> the only way youd need seperate tables is if a game version came out thats totally different
[23:33] <+zodiac> like oot vs oot 3d
[23:33] <%RingRush> n64-u-1.0/1.1, n64-u-1.2 for 101%
[23:33] <%RingRush> er
[23:33] <%RingRush> 100%
[23:33] <%RingRush> damnit I do that for every game now
[23:33] <%RingRush> (oot)
[23:33] <Theworm826> looooooool
[23:33] <%mzxrules> why use 1.2 for 100%
[23:34] <boris> that might be all you have
[23:34] <Herooftermina> becuase some people only have VC
[23:34] <Herooftermina> and 1.2 is the only thing available
[23:34] <%RingRush> all I have is n64 1.2
[23:34] <%RingRush> so if you create seperate charts for all versions
[23:34] <%RingRush> you better create a 1.2 chart
[23:34] <%RingRush> which is stupid
[23:34] <@Cosmo> yea
[23:34] <%RingRush> especially because not everyone knows what version they have
[23:35] <Herooftermina> well thats not a hard thing to tell
[23:35] <%RingRush> and splitting by console or language is just that to a lesser extent
[23:35] <poodleskirt> just make one table for each game with the categories as the top filters.
[23:35] <poodleskirt> only reason to make separate tables for separate categories is to... like... further separate them... or something
[23:35] <boris> if you are serious about 100%
[23:35] <boris> you will probably run on n64
[23:35] <@Cosmo> if you would initially see all the categories combined that is weird
[23:35] <@Cosmo> SM64, best time is 7 min by funila
[23:36] <boris> so the n64 times probably deserve to be at the top
[23:36] <+Kryssstal> mixing categories is the worst idea ever
[23:36] <boris> ya i dont even think that should be discussed Cosmo lol
[23:36] <poodleskirt> lol sorry for saying the worst idea ever
[23:36] <boris> keep the diff categories in separate tables
[23:36] <boris> but
[23:36] <boris> the different versions etc within the same category
[23:36] <poodleskirt> i thought it was pretty good.
[23:36] <boris> filters
[23:37] <Herooftermina> well since the 100% routes are so different
[23:37] <boris> bleh
[23:37] <trackftv> boris nice idea
[23:37] <Herooftermina> why not just make two categories, with prescription skip and without?
[23:37] <boris> prescription skip is not enough of a difference for someone to want to watch without
[23:37] <%RingRush> SM64: Categories: Beat the game (0 Star), 100% (120 star), no BLJ (170 star), I can't even think of a proper name for this (16 star) | Filters: Region -U- -J- -E-, Console -N64- -VC-, Version -1.0- -1.1- (do versions exist for sm64?)
[23:37] <Fenrikaz> Heroof. There is already like a Billion OoT catagories
[23:37] <+cafde> why not just make 2 mst routes, one with wrong warps and one without
[23:38] <poodleskirt> the two different categories would just be 100% on VC or 100% not on VC
[23:38] <poodleskirt> it sort of takes care of itself
[23:38] <@Cosmo> i feel like
[23:38] <@Cosmo> for 100%
[23:38] <@Cosmo> the VC ppl should switch 2 N64
[23:38] <@Cosmo> cause its the faster one
[23:38] <%RingRush> yes
[23:38] <@Cosmo> and makign it separate is weird
[23:38] <boris> agreed
[23:38] <%RingRush> down with vcheaters
[23:38] <boris> if you are serious about running 100% then  youll get n64
[23:38] <+zodiac> is there a real reason to keep inject banned
[23:38] <boris> mainly for races
[23:38] <boris> lol
[23:38] <trackftv> stik
[23:39] <poodleskirt> i don't understand that either zodiac
[23:39] <boris> but uh
[23:39] <%RingRush> inject and emulator should have the same fate tbh
[23:39] <boris> maybe it makes a difference in any% no wrong warp
[23:39] <@Cosmo> inject was banned back when nobody played on emu
[23:39] <poodleskirt> i agree with ringrush
[23:39] <+zodiac> like i dunno maybe back when any% was all rba 1.0 on vc was ridiculous
[23:39] <boris> the special thing about inject is
[23:39] <%RingRush> you can ban inject if you ban emulator
[23:39] <boris> stick b
[23:39] <@Cosmo> err
[23:39] <@Cosmo> then VC 1.0 is now the best version for speedrunning oot 100%
[23:39] <@Cosmo> which is kinda weird 2 me
[23:40] <Herooftermina> and?
[23:40] <Orch|Brian> keep emu banning to game by game basis
[23:40] <poodleskirt> oh shit lol
[23:40] <@Cosmo> cause its not even a real version
[23:40] <+cafde> put emu and inject in the same table and separate from the legit versions
[23:40] <boris> yeah
[23:40] <poodleskirt> that solves the problem doesn't it
[23:40] <boris> ban that shit
[23:40] <%RingRush> and vc 1.0 doesn't actually exist
[23:40] <%RingRush> it is a hack
[23:40] <+zodiac> yeah having an illegitimate version be the best is kinda dumb
[23:40] <%RingRush> a hack shouldn't be the fastest version
[23:40] <@Cosmo> right
[23:40] <%RingRush> I mean taken to its extreme sm74 is a faster version of sm64
[23:40] <@Cosmo> i hear what cafde is sayin
[23:40] <+Kryssstal> why would you try to play a video game fast, I like to take my time and enjoy it
[23:40] <boris> i thoguht of another reason that vc inject should be banned
[23:40] <@Cosmo> lol
[23:41] <Herooftermina> cafde i dont think "legit versions" is the right way to put it
[23:41] <boris> playing on vc but still being able to drink a fish
[23:41] <%RingRush> so all sm64 players should go play on sm74
[23:41] <boris> would help some people in mst or 100% or w/e maybe
[23:41] <%RingRush> or star road idk which is faster
[23:41] <+cafde> sure it is
[23:41] <poodleskirt> lol putting emu and inject on separate boards would be good if no one ran either of them
[23:41] <boris> the inject should be banned outright imo
[23:41] <Exodus> whoa am i the only one who didnt know theres a red rupee on the unfinished house in kak
[23:41] <poodleskirt> but since they do it's the equivalent of saying "you guys can't compete. go to the back of the bus."
[23:41] <poodleskirt> that's right.
[23:41] <poodleskirt> i played the race card.
[23:42] <+cafde> or how about get a legit version and you can sit in the front
[23:42] <boris> if you have the means to play on vc 1.0 then you have the means to play on vc 1.2
[23:42] <+Kryssstal> I don't think inject is a problem if it's a "legit" version (lttp 1.0 inject) at least
[23:42] <%RingRush> the "race" card means something else in this context
[23:42] <boris> for alttp it is fine
[23:42] <boris> for oot it is not
[23:42] <boris> because vc has significant difference from n64
[23:42] <%RingRush> http://speedrunslive.com/tools/oot-bingo/?seed=795828 <-- the race card
[23:42] <@jiano> oot 1.0 vc is overpowered as fuck
[23:42] <boris> like, outside of lag
[23:43] <@jiano> combines the best of vc with best of n64
[23:43] <@jiano> lol when i used it in races and cosmo + rg etc got mad
[23:43] <Exodus> lol rr
[23:43] <Jbop> now all we gotta do is get void hovers in there and its the best
[23:43] <@jiano> HAHA !!!!
[23:43] <@Cosmo> HEH
[23:43] <@Cosmo> jiano used to wait for suns song to appear so he could turn on his GCN
[23:43] <%RingRush> void hovers all over the place
[23:43] <%RingRush> might as well submit to the mm boards
[23:43] <@jiano> ya
[23:43] <@jiano> well
[23:44] <@jiano> it was more like
[23:44] <@jiano> if it was any% id use n64
[23:44] <@jiano> otherwise id use gc
[23:44] <@Cosmo> yea
[23:44] <boris> dont you mean other way around
[23:44] <boris> or is that before stick b was used
[23:44] <+Runnerguy2489> this was when any% didn't use stick B and savewarping around was better lol
[23:44] <boris> oh lol
[23:44] <@jiano> ya
[23:44] <boris> christ
[23:45] <+Runnerguy2489> like 2009 strats
[23:45] <@jiano> ftw
[23:45] <@jiano> old well chus
[23:45] <boris> jiano did you play oot on n64 for zelda420
[23:45] <+Runnerguy2489> spirit chus all day
[23:45] <@jiano> hope for the best jumpslash
[23:45] <boris> i literally dont remember
[23:45] <+Runnerguy2489> hahaha
[23:45] <+Runnerguy2489> that jumpslash
[23:45] <@jiano> ya pretty sure i did
[23:45] <@Cosmo> i think RG agrees that VC 1.0 as the 100% standard would be pretty silly
[23:45] <+cafde> man that jumpslash
[23:45] <+Runnerguy2489> yeah that'd be dumb
[23:45] <@jiano> vc 1.0 being used at all is ridiclous
[23:45] <boris> ^
[23:45] <boris> vc 1.0/1.1 should not be allowed period
[23:46] <boris> if ur using them u have the means to use 1.2
[23:46] <+Runnerguy2489> but then, I feel like using jp VC on an english wii is iffy
[23:46] <RME> what was old wellchus
[23:46] <ChocoPoptart> I thought that's how it already was
[23:46] <boris> Runnerguy2489 the thing is you can accomplish the same thing by importing a japanese wii
[23:46] <+Runnerguy2489> you could but it's not done
[23:46] <+zodiac> its not done cuz theres an easier way for the exact same result
[23:46] <+cafde> you can also make perm changes to your wii to make it jap
[23:46] <@jiano> vc 1.0 is a hacked version, nintendo didnt release dat shiet
[23:46] <+Runnerguy2489> that is also illegal
[23:46] <+Runnerguy2489> either way, it's so far allowed that I know that won't change
[23:47] <@jiano> pretty sure oot community w ould never allow vc 1.0
[23:47] <@jiano> anyway
[23:47] <@jiano> regardless
[23:47] <@jiano> it caught a lot of shit even when there was like 5 of us raciing
[23:47] <Herooftermina> well would how much better would vc 1.0 be than n64 and emu?
[23:47] <@jiano> way better
[23:48] <boris> btw
[23:48] <boris> isnt there a graphics plugin for emu that lets you use stick as adult without crashing
[23:48] <@Cosmo> yes
[23:48] <+cafde> yeah
[23:48] <boris> is that only for mupen? i remember it being discussed on tasvideos
[23:49] <boris> for the ganonless route
[23:50] <+Kryssstal> i'm gonna run vc 1.0 inject on project64
[23:50] <boris> pretty sure you need dolphin to do that :p
[23:50] <+Kryssstal> dang
[23:50] <Jbop> lol
[23:50] <%RingRush> might as well use savestates while you're at it
[23:51] <Herooftermina> and run at 1000 fps
[23:51] <%RingRush> oh man now I remember
[23:51] <@Cosmo> i should make mockups
[23:51] <%RingRush> when hacking a bottle into your inventory with emulator was considered legitimate for races
[23:51] <@Cosmo> of the leaderboards
[23:51] <%RingRush> by only one person ever
[23:51] <@Cosmo> and ask what looks better
[23:51] <Herooftermina> who needs video/audio synch
[23:51] <@jiano> dq in first race gj mrgrunz
[23:51] <boris> i remember that bottle thing
[23:51] <@jiano> truly a rolemodel
[23:51] <boris> and people being like
[23:52] <boris> "instead of dqing him, lets factor in the time it would take to get a bottle"
[23:52] <boris> lmao
[23:52] <%RingRush> oh wait boris is elminster what the fuck
[23:52] <boris> hi
[23:52] <@Cosmo> secret elm
[23:52] <@Cosmo> iddint realize that wasu
[23:52] <boris> :)
[23:52] <%RingRush> I was like "how the hell does this new kid know about that"
[23:52] <%RingRush> then I used whois
[23:52] <%RingRush> and was educated
[23:52] <boris> the whois master
[23:53] <+cafde> it said elminster when he joined
[23:53] <+cafde> and who doesn't know about boris anderson ;)
[23:53] <poodleskirt> oh hey can you guys tell me how to do that nickflash thing
[23:53] <poodleskirt> nicflash
[23:53] <poodleskirt> or is that on SRL only
[23:53] <@Cosmo> so cafde u think there should be 2 tables, one for all official releases and one for "anything goes"
[23:53] <Exodus> on mirc?
[23:53] <boris> its on a real irc client only
[23:53] <%RingRush> nickflash others or get nickflasehd
[23:53] <boris> so not on mibbit
[23:53] <+cafde> it was a suggestion
[23:53] <poodleskirt> oh okay sry idk anything about irc
[23:54] <%RingRush> "anything goes" sm64 wr in 4:03 playing on sm74!!
[23:54] <Herooftermina> well i'll always be on the side that 100% should be how fast you can legitimately do 100%
[23:54] <boris> lol
[23:54] <poodleskirt> they will be separate but equal
[23:54] <Herooftermina> but the where the line on "legitamately" is doesnt help
[23:54] <@Cosmo> poodle get mirc its good
[23:54] <poodleskirt> okay
[23:55] <poodleskirt> i think separating the boards like that would do nothing but cause more useless rift in the community. the whole point of the filter is the separation
[23:55] <@Cosmo> filter seems pretty good idea
[23:55] <Orch|Brian> Cosmo is there any of chance that we could get a timeline for the leaderboards?
[23:55] <@Cosmo> no
[23:55] <Wodahs-Reklaw> okay so I tested loading times and vc has a clear advantage over emu and n64, but n64 and emu have about the same in terms of loading. I have a video to support this, it is rendering right now.
[23:56] <poodleskirt> wodahs what exactly were your results and how did you test them?
[23:56] <boris> lag, though
[23:56] <Wodahs-Reklaw> the difference is over a second between the best case (vc) vs emu
[23:56] <@jiano> we already know vc has faster loading
[23:56] <Wodahs-Reklaw> yes but I wanted to know and have a video or something
[23:56] <Wodahs-Reklaw> I didn't see any proof
[23:56] <@jiano> lol
[23:56] <Exodus> i think ive seen a video
[23:57] <Wodahs-Reklaw> and now I have da proofz
[23:57] <@jiano> i remember when me and cosmo were racing gc vs vc, sittingn ext to each other, and i past him during intro
[23:57] <@Cosmo> HEH
[23:57] <Wodahs-Reklaw> EHE
[23:57] <@jiano> he was like wtf OP
[23:57] <poodleskirt> who won jiano Kappa
[23:57] <Enterim> Runnerguy did
[23:58] <poodleskirt> but yeah it's like a 3 second advantage in the intro
[23:58] <@jiano> i won cus cosmo forgot a key in spirit
[23:58] <poodleskirt> "forgot a key" wat
[23:58] <@jiano> needed one as child, but he didnt get it
[23:58] <@jiano> iirc
[23:58] <poodleskirt> ohh lol
[23:59] <+cafde> loading zone times make only a small difference over a whole run
[23:59] <Wodahs-Reklaw> acutally no
[23:59] <Wodahs-Reklaw> I did a rough estimation for mst, which has 107 transitions
[23:59] <@jiano> loading time is the reason sm64 and mm are way faster on vc than n64
[23:59] <poodleskirt> about 2 minutes lost to load times VC over EMU i think
[23:59] <Wodahs-Reklaw> so thats about 107 seconds vs emu and vc
[23:59] <Wodahs-Reklaw> not including classic controller screen
[23:59] <+cafde> there's no way it's a whole second each time
[23:59] <poodleskirt> wow that's like super close to my estimate lol
[00:00] <@jiano> its a little less than a second
[00:00] <Wodahs-Reklaw> so its more like 1:30
[00:00] <Wodahs-Reklaw> its a little less
[00:00] <poodleskirt> well, load times are about 2 min
[00:00] <+Runnerguy2489> damn man
[00:00] <Wodahs-Reklaw> I may have forgotten a few loading places
[00:00] <poodleskirt> we were takling about load times
[00:00] <+Runnerguy2489> how the fuck do I beat anyone in bingos?
[00:00] <poodleskirt> not reset screens lol
[00:00] <@jiano> also not all loading zones are the same
[00:00] <@jiano> some are faster some are slower
[00:00] <Wodahs-Reklaw> yes that is also true
[00:00] <@Cosmo> ok so
[00:00] <poodleskirt> ganondoor is like multiple seconds difference
[00:00] <+cafde> also depends if it's loading a cs too
[00:01] <Wodahs-Reklaw> I think lost woods vs kokiri forest was a good esitmate on the average loading zone
[00:01] <Wodahs-Reklaw> so that excludes cs's and everything else that may be more strenious or easier to load
[00:01] <%RingRush> okay in conclusion
[00:01] <%RingRush> I spent way too much time today talking about this shit oh my god
[00:01] <@Cosmo> from general discussion i feel like its learning toweards: 1 table per category, with filters, the ability to submit multiple versions to 1 category, and perhaps not declaring anything as "WR"
[00:02] <@Cosmo> leaning*
[00:02] <@Cosmo> this is for OoT alone
[00:02] <@Cosmo> not for anythin else
[00:02] <%RingRush> I mean you don't actually have to write "WR" at the leaderboard
[00:02] <Wodahs-Reklaw> I agree
[00:02] <poodleskirt> that sounds appropriate to me
[00:02] <%RingRush> just rank it by a number
[00:02] <%RingRush> but everyone will call it a wr
[00:02] <poodleskirt> yeah i thought the WR record thing was already separate from the leaderboards
[00:02] <Wodahs-Reklaw> ^this and I am fine with that
[00:03] <Herooftermina> how would everything compare if we just flat out banned vc injjects and had one table? would any of them have a substantial advantage?
[00:03] <Wodahs-Reklaw> well currently only 1.1 / 1.0 inject for 100%
[00:03] <Wodahs-Reklaw> that is the one thing I wish was allowed
[00:03] <poodleskirt> if we just unanimously agree vc inject should be banned then it should be banned
[00:03] <@Cosmo> i think currently OOT community wants to ban VC inject
[00:03] <@Cosmo> as for ique idk haha
[00:03] <poodleskirt> ^
[00:03] <Herooftermina> yeah
[00:04] <RME> I feel like ique is soft banned out of rarity
[00:04] <boris> ^
[00:04] <@Cosmo> yea pretty much
[00:04] <poodleskirt> dat soft ban
[00:04] <Wodahs-Reklaw> I care about 100% and I am raw about having to switch to emulator or n64 which I for me crashes randomly
[00:04] <boris> what about banning emulator for 100%
[00:04] <Enterim> Someone's dissertation project is going to be making a stable iQue emulator one day
[00:04] <Wodahs-Reklaw> if I want the best route
[00:04] <@Cosmo> i dont think ppl will be convinced to ban emu for 100%
[00:04] <@Cosmo> too much disagreement
[00:04] <boris> hm
[00:04] <poodleskirt> the fact that banning emu for 100% is contravercial means it shouldn't be banned
[00:05] <poodleskirt> uhh yeah what cosmo said
[00:05] <Herooftermina> emu is fine imo
[00:05] <+zodiac> having to switch versions to go faster shouildnt be a reason for banning anything
[00:05] <+zodiac> i have to play ntsc because pal is shit, lets ban ntsc
[00:05] <@Cosmo> true
[00:05] <boris> i think that a 100% record on emulator
[00:05] <boris> would be really sketchy
[00:05] <@Cosmo> yea i feel like itd be shitty if the 100% record was on emu
[00:05] <boris> but that poodleskirt's mst record is not
[00:05] <poodleskirt> if you don't think it's legit consult the filter boris
[00:05] <boris> just because vc exists and would beat him
[00:05] <boris> but
[00:05] <boris> that sorto f distinction
[00:05] <+zodiac> why would 100% be sketch on emu
[00:05] <boris> is difficult to advetrtise on the ldaerboard
[00:05] <+zodiac> without other cats being sketchy
[00:06] <@Cosmo> because VC exists
[00:06] <boris> because vc doesnt have the advantage
[00:06] <@Cosmo> also:
[00:06] <poodleskirt> the point of the filter would be to compensate for people having conflicting opinions boris
[00:06] <@Cosmo> at some point, somebody is going to do a really good 100% J run
[00:06] <@Cosmo> and it will be controversial
[00:06] <Herooftermina> having the 100% record on emu would not be shitty
[00:06] <boris> oh yeah fuck
[00:06] <boris> 100% j
[00:06] <poodleskirt> you can't prevent controversy
[00:06] <boris> thats gonna be tough for us
[00:07] <Herooftermina> how much time does J save for 100%? 20 min?
[00:07] <Orch|Brian> i dont know why people arent doing 100% j runs already yet
[00:07] <+zodiac> but emu isnt trying to emulate vc its trying to emulate n64
[00:07] <boris> and it does a shitty job of it
[00:07] <+zodiac> i know that
[00:07] <poodleskirt> i plan on committing to 100% j
[00:07] <poodleskirt> so that ZFG will switch to it
[00:07] <poodleskirt> he said he would
[00:07] <boris> emu has less lag than n64
[00:07] <boris> so it has the advantage over n64
[00:07] <+zodiac> does it have less lag than n64 though
[00:08] <poodleskirt> imo the difference is negligible so i don't care. if you have a problem consult the filter
[00:08] <+zodiac> ive heard so many conflicting things
[00:08] <Jbop> where's the proof of that?
[00:08] <%mzxrules> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86RC5ecziAc
[00:08] <boris> i guess it depends on ur hardware and settings
[00:08] <boris> (which is also dumb)
[00:08] <poodleskirt> wodahs just did a bunch of research, we could easily estimate the difference
[00:08] <+zodiac> i thought he did n64 vs vc
[00:08] <@Cosmo> loading and lag are 2 different things
[00:08] <poodleskirt> oh, true, cosmo
[00:08] <+zodiac> also that
[00:09] <Herooftermina> does emu do pauses more slow than n6
[00:09] <Herooftermina> 4?
[00:09] <+zodiac> yes
[00:09] <Herooftermina> just making sure
[00:09] <+cafde> could limit emu to 1.2 and just have n64 be the standard for 100%
[00:09] <poodleskirt> idk. in my opinion the filter would take care of everything. i wouldn't care if i got a good run in that category and people thought it didn't count
[00:09] <+zodiac> emu has a chunk of lag when you hit start to unpause
[00:09] <+zodiac> like at all times
[00:09] <+Runnerguy2489> don't we already have all the filters?
[00:10] <@Cosmo> rg: you cant submit multiple times yet
[00:10] <@Cosmo> like J and U records
[00:10] <+Runnerguy2489> ah yeah
[00:10] <Herooftermina> U=emu?
[00:10] <+TestRunner> u = us
[00:10] <aldelaro5> us
[00:11] <+TestRunner> so hows the discussion going?
[00:11] <Herooftermina> oh well i sounded pretty dumb there
[00:11] <+Runnerguy2489> yeah because a huge component of the leaderboard and it's timing was that you could submit a race time
[00:11] <+Runnerguy2489> which might be U, but then if you wanted to do a J run or whatever you could submit that too? I think that would be cool
[00:11] <@Cosmo> yea that would be cool
[00:12] <+TestRunner> yea, for SS-harp. I have the only J time, and it feels wierd
[00:12] <+TestRunner> I might take my j time off
[00:12] <+TestRunner> but i don't really play U anymore :/
[00:12] <poodleskirt> yeah that's another reason the boards should be consolidated
[00:13] <poodleskirt> the question is, is it more unfair that test runner has to be alone in his leaderboard because he used a different language, or is it more unfair to ppl on u boards that it's topped by a jp run
[00:13] <poodleskirt> and in my opinion the former is much more unfair, because if the other runners want to improve their time they should get jp
[00:14] <+TestRunner> personall,y I don't really care about my ranking, i i think me being above for no reason is bad
[00:14] <+TestRunner> tlozsr has complained about that
[00:14] <+TestRunner> apparently it caused a lot of confusion among his viewers
[00:14] <poodleskirt> didn't consider that
[00:15] <+TestRunner> which is why i was thinking of taking my time off
[00:15] <+Runnerguy2489> question: who are we catering with this more to: ourselves or general average joe twitch viewer?
[00:16] <@Cosmo> ideally both
[00:16] <Orch|Brian> ^, filtering would statsify both
[00:16] <poodleskirt> ^
[00:16] <+TestRunner> maybe, but i think most ppl don't bother with filters
[00:16] <Orch|Brian> yes, so they'll see the #1
[00:16] <%sockfolder> maybe you should just have a standard list of filters
[00:16] <poodleskirt> just adequately emphasizing the importance of filters
[00:16] <+TestRunner> they just see someone ranked #1
[00:16] <Orch|Brian> no filtering necessary
[00:16] <poodleskirt> would solve the problem
[00:16] <%sockfolder> like "official categories"
[00:16] <+zodiac> have the page open with select a filter
[00:17] <%sockfolder> filters being possible if you want to see more than that
[00:17] <poodleskirt> sockfolder i mentioned that earlier and it was the worst idea ever
[00:17] <+zodiac> and then have like none | us | jp | w/e
[00:17] <%sockfolder> oh?
[00:17] <+Runnerguy2489> I like the page opening with filters first
[00:17] <Orch|Brian> i dont like that idea
[00:17] <+Runnerguy2489> then you pick what you want and know what you are getting when you click it
[00:17] <benstephens1000> Agreed the page should open with filters
[00:17] <+zodiac> that definitely makes it easier for newbie guys
[00:17] <Orch|Brian> the page should be any%/quickest game completition/whatever
[00:17] <poodleskirt> lol
[00:17] <%sockfolder> filters first = not casual though
[00:17] <Orch|Brian> then you can filter for categories
[00:17] <+zodiac> like if theyre watching some US player on twitch and they go to leaderboard theyre not gonna click jp
[00:18] <+Runnerguy2489> well yeah category first
[00:18] <+zodiac> theyre gonna click US
[00:18] <+TestRunner> yea, the general viewer doesn't understand the differences of versions
[00:18] <+cafde> the problem with filters is most people don't care what both the fastest U and the fastest J times are
[00:18] <+cafde> they just see the top time
[00:18] <benstephens1000> hmm yeah, well that is a problem
[00:18] <Orch|Brian> the first thing should be the quickest time
[00:18] <Orch|Brian> like cafde said
[00:18] <+TestRunner> most common question i get is: "Why are you playing jap?"
[00:18] <Jbop> im a noob and i care
[00:18] <@Cosmo> Version: All, no emulator, n64, gcn, vc, ique, pj64
[00:18] <@Cosmo> Language: All, jp, en
[00:18] <@Cosmo> is this like a fair thing
[00:19] <+zodiac> should we even tolerate ique
[00:19] <poodleskirt> i like the "no emulator" instead of "emulator"
[00:19] <poodleskirt> so it only shows up in all i guess lol
[00:19] <poodleskirt> oh pj64
[00:19] <poodleskirt> yeha that's fair i think
[00:19] <%sockfolder> does anyone play on mupen?
[00:19] <Orch|Brian> ennopp does
[00:19] <Orch|Brian> for mm 100%
[00:19] <@Cosmo> "Console Only" rather than "no emulator"
[00:19] <benstephens1000> Maybe the leader boards should have an explanation? Like you click a category, and then you have a selection of filters with an explanation saying that different versions are certainly different :P
[00:19] <+zodiac> i dont see the point in even acknowledging ique runs
[00:19] <+zodiac> if someone does it its purely as a gimmick
[00:19] <+TestRunner> does anyone own an ique?
[00:19] <@Cosmo> my idea is
[00:20] <poodleskirt> yeah ique can be cut i think
[00:20] <@Cosmo> dont put it up
[00:20] <+TestRunner> or knows someone who owns one?
[00:20] <@Cosmo> until somebody actually does a run
[00:20] <@Cosmo> lol
[00:20] <@Cosmo> or just ban it idk
[00:20] <poodleskirt> ohhhh good
[00:20] <boris> aleckermit and natalyahasdied own iques i think
[00:20] <Orch|Brian> wait
[00:20] <poodleskirt> no your idea is good
[00:20] <poodleskirt> lol
[00:20] <+TestRunner> aleck, i shouldn't be surprised, lol
[00:20] <Orch|Brian> Cosmo is there any reason to make it pj64 only
[00:20] <boris> alec did some uhh
[00:20] <Orch|Brian> cuz theres runners with mupen
[00:20] <@Cosmo> mupen is shittier for runs afaik ?
[00:20] <boris> he did an any% no wrong warp run on ique didnt he
[00:20] <@Cosmo> yea he did I think
[00:20] <Orch|Brian> idk, ennopp said that it had quicker resets for him
[00:21] <+Runnerguy2489> yeah
[00:21] <RME> but is mupen64plus better?
[00:21] <Orch|Brian> and he preferred it
[00:21] <+TestRunner> might as well leave it in then
[00:21] <boris> lol\\
[00:21] <+Runnerguy2489> alec did the sda marathon any% type route
[00:21] <@Cosmo> hell we could put that ru nup
[00:21] <@Cosmo> lol
[00:21] <@Cosmo> why not
[00:21] <poodleskirt> okay, emulator should be standardized
[00:21] <@Cosmo> yea
[00:21] <+TestRunner> agreed
[00:21] <poodleskirt> there shouldn't be ppl having preferences between emulators lol
[00:21] <Orch|Brian> pj+mupen
[00:21] <@Cosmo> ban mupen
[00:21] <benstephens1000> yes they should be
[00:21] <poodleskirt> BAN MUPEN
[00:21] <boris> ##vote mupen
[00:22] <+TestRunner> it's basically the reason VC is allowed
[00:22] <+TestRunner> standardized
[00:22] <%mzxrules> hey uh
[00:22] <Orch|Brian> ok
[00:22] <+Runnerguy2489> are you focing an n64 controller for mupen? or could someone use an xbox one?
[00:22] <+Runnerguy2489> sorry not mupen pj
[00:22] <+zodiac> emulator preference is fine if we know enough about the emulators
[00:22] <boris> paladrima plays on x360 controller
[00:22] <+zodiac> see lttp allowing GT, snes9x, and bsnes
[00:22] <@Cosmo> i figure what ever controller is fine as long as its not w/ turbo use or w/e
[00:22] <%RingRush> omfg mupen is bad
[00:22] <poodleskirt> i agree with cosmo
[00:22] <%RingRush> don't make me pull out the twitch highlight
[00:22] <+TestRunner> yea, standard SDA rules for controllers
[00:22] <boris> what twitch highlight
[00:22] <%sockfolder> well turbo just needs to be banned naturally
[00:22] <benstephens1000> Yeah any controller just no turbo or enhancements
[00:22] <+zodiac> pull it out rr let me see
[00:23] <%mzxrules> anyone look into how much time early eyeball frog may/may not save?
[00:23] <%RingRush> i'd actually have to splice it out I never highlighted
[00:23] <@Cosmo> yea sock
[00:23] <+zodiac> splice it then IDIOT
[00:23] <%RingRush> I did ad emo of dk64 on mupen on stream
[00:23] <%RingRush> and it is the worst shit
[00:23] <+zodiac> is it worse than pj64 dk64
[00:23] <@Cosmo> rr would only N64 be legit for DK64
[00:23] <%RingRush> and...I didn't save
[00:23] <%RingRush> it is 100x worse
[00:23] <%RingRush> yes cosmo
[00:23] <@Cosmo> i know theres no VC for that game
[00:23] <@Cosmo> and emulates poorly ?
[00:23] <%RingRush> in pj there is this glitch
[00:23] <%RingRush> where when you grab onto something
[00:24] <%RingRush> you can get warped to another position on the map
[00:24] <+TestRunner> >_>
[00:24] <%RingRush> which can both be terrible or useful depending on when it happens
[00:24] <boris> does a dk64 tas exist
[00:24] <%RingRush> no
[00:24] <boris> rofl
[00:24] <%RingRush> dk64 on mupen
[00:24] <boris> oh yea
[00:24] <boris> right
[00:24] <%RingRush> 1. can't even play us version, which is the faster one
[00:24] <%RingRush> 2. physics change in some points
[00:24] <%RingRush> like, your jump height is halfed
[00:24] <%RingRush> or speed is cut
[00:24] <%RingRush> or your animation changes
[00:24] <boris> lol
[00:24] <+TestRunner> O.o
[00:24] <%mzxrules> i wonder how that's even possible
[00:25] <%RingRush> it is just so bad
[00:25] <%RingRush> some parts it is perfectly fine, but usually when there is a tunnel nearby
[00:25] <%RingRush> it goes to shit
[00:25] <%mzxrules> there were n64 emulators before DK64 came out right
[00:25] <RME> emulation is not a simple task, that's how it's possible
[00:25] <RME> like
[00:25] <%RingRush> the kickjump to the switch in japes is really hard
[00:25] <RME> not a simple task at all
[00:25] <%RingRush> on mupen
[00:25] <RME> especially for n64 and later gens
[00:26] <%mzxrules> idk, the cd based games seem like they'd be significantly easier to emulate since you don't have to deal with tech built into the individual cartriges
[00:26] <+TestRunner> yea
[00:26] <+TestRunner> like Starfox
[00:28] <boris> so uh
[00:28] <boris> mafia anyone? :p
[00:28] <%mzxrules> then again, you have the 3ds where everything is encrypted
[00:28] <%RingRush> boris: closed roles?
[00:28] <poodleskirt> i want to play killing floor
[00:28] <+TestRunner> i don't remember how ot play mafia, lol
[00:28] <boris> uhh
[00:29] <boris> that sounds awful
[00:29] <boris> if i remember what it is
[00:29] <%RingRush> you kids
[00:29] <RME> I don't think n64 did coprocessors either mzxrules
[00:29] <%RingRush> just make sure you set the allowed roels to good stuff
[00:29] <%RingRush> like not baker
[00:29] <%RingRush> and not crappy girl
[00:29] <%RingRush> etc
[00:29] <RME> but the 3D math gets complicated quickly without good documentation
[00:29] <%mzxrules> Reality Coprocesser
[00:30] <+zodiac> ps1/2 emulation owns
[00:30] <%mzxrules> part of n64 tech
[00:30] <%RingRush> ps1 emulation ftw
[00:30] <%RingRush> it makes ps1 games more playable
[00:30] <RME> ps1 emulation is kind of poor
[00:30] <+zodiac> itsj ust n64 emulators that are really agonizingly shit
[00:30] <%RingRush> because the load times are so bad normally
[00:30] <RME> in terms of accuracy
[00:30] <boris> how is ps1 emulation compared to playing on ps2 with fast disk speed
[00:30] <%RingRush> play croc 2 on pcsx or psxjin
[00:30] <+TestRunner> even playing a ps1 game on your ps2 >_>
[00:30] <%RingRush> and you have to use a trick to get past the title screen
[00:30] <boris> i kinda dislike the ps2 fast disk speed setting but
[00:31] <boris> i really cant think of a good reason to disallow it
[00:31] <%mzxrules> you serious rr?
[00:31] <%RingRush> yes
[00:31] <%RingRush> if you try to start game it'll just softlock except for pausing
[00:31] <%RingRush> so you have to pause, save, exit, and reload
[00:31] <%RingRush> and you'll appear at the start of the game
[00:31] <+TestRunner> lol?
[00:31] <boris> that sounds like how i had to operate my dvd player when i lost the remote
[00:31] <boris> lmao
[00:32] <%mzxrules> that is the funniest shit ever
[00:32] <%RingRush> I mean thats how I found wrong warp to final world
[00:32] <%RingRush> by trying to bypass this
[00:32] <%RingRush> and staring the file and exiting at the same time
[00:32] <%RingRush> so I guess it is cool?
[00:33] <%RingRush> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OejbQZPZZs
[00:33] <Venick409> Eww croc 2
[00:34] <%RingRush> ^
[00:36] <+TestRunner> so, uh, is this discussion wrapped up then?
[00:36] <+TestRunner> seems like ppl are ok with cosmo's compromise?
[00:36] <@Cosmo> i want to make mockups of some leaderboards for oot
[00:36] <%RingRush> cosmoprise
[00:36] <@Cosmo> and maybe then we can discuss more, but i think the discussion was pretty goo
[00:36] <@Cosmo> good*
[00:36] <@Cosmo> pretty goo
[00:36] <+TestRunner> kk
[00:36] <%RingRush> timing is going to be weird
[00:36] <%RingRush> like for standardization using real time would be best
[00:36] <@Cosmo> timing is another discussion
[00:37] <%RingRush> but the question is when to start timing
[00:37] <+TestRunner> btw, i have a couple suggestions for the srl streams page
[00:37] <@jiano> timing will prob be on the leaderboard where it starts/stops for each game
[00:37] <+TestRunner> like, the stream title of the selected stream should also appear at top
[00:37] <+TestRunner> and it would be cool if there was a follow button for the stream you are watching
[00:38] <@Cosmo> i dont think follow button is possible
[00:38] <+TestRunner> dang
[00:44] <%RingRush> a follow button would need a twitch login
[00:44] <+TestRunner> but aren't you already logged into chat?
[00:46] <aldelaro5> and for stream title why put it on top it's allready whrited under the streamer
[00:47] <boris> i dont want to have to scroll down to read the stream title
[00:47] <+TestRunner> ^
[00:47] <+TestRunner> especially if you aren't watching the top 2 streams
[00:47] <boris> also since the streams have the title written rather than the short bio
[00:47] <boris> the boxes have felt kinda empty
[00:47] <boris> maybe a larger font would be better?
[00:48] <boris> eh some people put long titles
[00:49] <+TestRunner> it's pretty minor tho, doesn't really matter that much
[00:50] <aldelaro5> but if you want to switch to another stream you have to scroll down anyway
[00:51] <boris> so?
[00:51] <boris> if i sit watching a stream for a while
[00:51] <boris> im not gonna remember what exactly was in the title
[00:52] <boris> also if someone has a link in their title
[00:52] <boris> i dont think i can click/cp it
[00:53] <+TestRunner> yea, you can't copy+paste links from the titles
[00:54] <aldelaro5> well it's true also the "featured stream (stream username)" is kinda useless
[00:54] <Enterim> it already uses your twitch cookie for chat
[00:54] <Enterim> a follow button shouldn't be an issue
[00:55] <boris> it doesnt need to say featured stream but that's w/e
[00:55] <boris> it shows srl username, not stream username, and that's a link to their srl profile
[00:55] <boris> that should stay
[00:55] <%mzxrules> "Complete the Shadow Temple without the need of the Lens of Truth (practically impossible considering the boss though?)"
[00:56] <+TestRunner> wut?
[00:56] <@Cosmo> good points about the titles
[00:56] <@Cosmo> i can work on that
[00:56] <boris> huh
[00:56] <+TestRunner> kk
[00:56] <boris> thanks Cosmo
[00:57] <aldelaro5> this is why I said it's useless the featured stream can be replaced and should not be here
[00:57] <@Cosmo> yea
[00:57] <@Cosmo> i want to keep improving that page
[00:57] <@Cosmo> thx for suggestions
[00:58] <@Cosmo> they are good ones
[01:18] <@Cosmo> ok
[01:19] <@Cosmo> I figure its like
[01:19] <@Cosmo> layers of filtering
[01:19] <@Cosmo> for wind wkaer it would be like
[01:19] <@Cosmo> Category: Any%, 100%
[01:19] <@Cosmo> Language: All, Japanese, English
[01:20] <@Cosmo> Tingle Tuner: All, uses GBA, no GBA
[01:20] <@Cosmo> you would just click on shit
[01:20] <+TestRunner> seems good
[01:20] <@Cosmo> it would default to Any%, All, All
[01:20] <@Cosmo> for OoT it would be like
[01:20] <@Cosmo> Category: Any%, MST, 100% (if we keep it simple for now)
[01:20] <+zodiac> i think for tuner it should just be all, and then no gba
[01:21] <+zodiac> how often are people gonna want to see just tuner times? all you have to do is look at all the top times
[01:21] <@Cosmo> Version: N64 GC VC Emu Console-Only iQue PJ64 etc
[01:21] <@Cosmo> Language: JP EN all w/e
[01:21] <@Cosmo> no reason you couldnt have that option though
[01:21] <@Cosmo> it would default to All
[01:21] <@Cosmo> so that would be displayed by default