staff meeting full 5/28/2013

[12:02 PM] <Ironhill> Woo
[12:02 PM] <Alex> Oi
[12:02 PM] <Ironhill> Everybody here that wants to be here?
[12:03 PM] <Alex> Nihilism aint
[12:04 PM] <Asio> nihil is here
[12:04 PM] <Ironhill> lol
[12:04 PM] <Asio_> Ok this is better
[12:04 PM] <Asio_> :)
[12:04 PM] <Alex> mind fucked
[12:05 PM] <Asio_> We are next to each other atm so..:)
[12:05 PM] <Alex> ASIO AND NIHILISM ARE ONE!
[12:05 PM] <Nihil> >.>
[12:05 PM] <Alex> Oh, yeah that seems more likely
[12:05 PM] <Nihilism> his wswtwuid kewwywboard
[12:06 PM] <Asio_> Ou an yeah, he is using my pc, so he is stuck with that broken keyboard.
[12:06 PM] <Asio_> xDDD
[12:07 PM] <Ironhill> lol
[12:08 PM] <Ironhill> So my middle of the day is everybody else's evening and night.
[12:08 PM] <Ironhill> Fantastic. ._.
[12:08 PM] <Alex> :<
[12:08 PM] <Asio_> We are both GMT+1, so it's fine:)
[12:09 PM] <Asio_> ACtually gmt + 2
[12:10 PM] <Ironhill> ^^
[12:11 PM] <Ironhill> Alright, so lets get this underway.
[12:11 PM] * Alex slaps Synque around a bit with a large trout
[12:12 PM] <Nihilism> jej
[12:14 PM] <Ironhill> The first thing on my impromptu list is the reward to effort quotient.
[12:14 PM] <Ironhill> The amount of events being held recently has been fantastic, but be sure to keep an eye on which rewards you're handing out. Don't give out spectral tigers for managing to jump further than a spaniard.
[12:15 PM] * Asio_ hides behind KaNNis :)
[12:15 PM] <Ironhill> Which isn't really a topic for discussion, just something I'd like you to keep in mind before we need to take action on it.
[12:16 PM] <Ironhill> For discussion however is the transmog project that Asio has been working on.
[12:16 PM] <Ironhill> Asio, if you'd like to provide a summary on your efforts.
[12:17 PM] <Asio_> Ok, so..
[12:17 PM] <Asio_> The only thing that we really need to discuss is if we wanna take such step or not.
[12:17 PM] <Asio_> Since it is completly custom content.
[12:17 PM] <Alex> Nah, explain to them how it works at the moment xD
[12:18 PM] <Asio_> My idea is to follow retails transmog as much as possible.
[12:18 PM] <Asio_> Player is allowed to transmog equiped item into any item moddel that can be equiped in same slat
[12:18 PM] <Asio_> slot*
[12:19 PM] <Asio_> And yeah player needs to have item that he wants to transmog to in his iventory
[12:19 PM] <Alex> What this means is that players can transmog every item, with the exeption of legendaries, if they have the item they wish to transmog in their bags
[12:19 PM] <Alex> free of charge
[12:20 PM] <Asio_> This is purly a testing version, any kind of restriction or price can be added.
[12:21 PM] <Asio_> Also, implementation won't interfere with items and it will be possible to enable/disable transmogs anytime.
[12:21 PM] <Asio_> Nihil and Alex had a chance to see it, so they could say something bout this as well.
[12:22 PM] <Ironhill> How does it actually work in terms of editing the item, an how does this open the server to potential abuse?
[12:22 PM] <Alex> There is no potential to abuse such a thing, the only thing that is edited is the appearance of the item
[12:22 PM] <Alex> Stats remain the same
[12:22 PM] <Asio_> Items are not edited in any way. Trasmogs are kept in DB under new table.
[12:23 PM] <Asio_> By transmoging an items, server just displays curently equiped item using some other item model.
[12:23 PM] <Ironhill> Excellent
[12:23 PM] <Alex> I think Ironhill was worried if they could combine the stats from both items, and use it to their advantage
[12:23 PM] <Alex> that kinda bug
[12:23 PM] <Asio_> What Im trying to say that items not added nor removed so there can such abuse.
[12:24 PM] <Nihilism> we also tried to test for any possible abuse that came on our mind, but it was ground solid.
[12:24 PM] <Alex> Deleting, selling, destroying the item removes the transmog right?
[12:24 PM] <Alex> DEing
[12:24 PM] <Asio_> yeah.
[12:24 PM] <Alex> and such
[12:24 PM] <Asio_> Each time current item instance is removed from DB, transmog related to it will be removed as well.
[12:25 PM] <Alex> And did you manage to fix the set bonus?
[12:25 PM] <Nihilism> it is 99% retail- like with difference that this is on expansion earlier
[12:26 PM] <Asio_> Set bonuses work as intended, however there is a visual problem that can not be solved right now.
[12:26 PM] <Alex> Yeah that's what I was asking about
[12:26 PM] <Asio_> Or, at lest, problem is out of my reach.
[12:26 PM] <Alex> And it only works with the same armor/weapon types right?
[12:27 PM] <Nihilism> yes
[12:27 PM] <Asio_> Yeah, however I repeat that any kinda of restriction can be implemented.
[12:27 PM] <Asio_> I tried to follow rules that are applied to retails transmog, but we can do basicly anything when it comes to this.
[12:28 PM] <Nihilism> u currently cannot transmog chest into legs, or dagger into polearm. :)
[12:28 PM] <Alex> XD
[12:28 PM] <Alex> What I meant was, cloth for cloth, swords for swords etc
[12:28 PM] <Nihilism> yep
[12:28 PM] <Nihilism> same slot for same slot
[12:29 PM] <Nihilism> also, you have to be able to vear same type of gear that is in ur beg in order to transmog it
[12:29 PM] <Asio_> also, you can only transmog to items that you can equip.
[12:29 PM] <Nihilism> example, mage cannot transmog t1 for priest etc
[12:29 PM] <Alex> Yeah
[12:29 PM] <Asio_> For example, player level 7 can not use lev 80 item to transmog to.
[12:29 PM] <Nihilism> bag*
[12:29 PM] <Nihilism> and only items u can transmogs are greenie rare and epics
[12:29 PM] <Nihilism> commons and legendaries are out of option
[12:29 PM] <Nihilism> retail-like
[12:30 PM] <Alex> Mhmm, logical
[12:30 PM] <Nihilism> u cannot transmog into commons and legendaries as vell
[12:30 PM] <Nihilism> but u can transmog ur epic into greenie
[12:30 PM] <Asio_> I would also like to say that I started this project to satisfy my personal curiosity, if there is a chance of transmogs hitting live server, we would do proper testing and trial runs.
[12:30 PM] <Nihilism> or oposite, if u can vear that epic
[12:31 PM] <Asio_> I would like to give each staff member a chance to try it out, before we decide.
[12:31 PM] <Asio_> Solution feels hacky since there is no client support for transmog vendors.
[12:31 PM] <Asio_> So the real question here is, do we see transmogs in future on m4a.
[12:32 PM] <Asio_> Do we see a custom feature on m4a.
[12:32 PM] <Alex> Ironhill?
[12:33 PM] <Ironhill> How is global development on cata going?
[12:33 PM] <Alex> Slow
[12:33 PM] <Ironhill> Months or years?
[12:33 PM] <Asio_> Hmm, well...no one knows. I can not say anything on this subject.
[12:33 PM] <Alex> Asio would be more qualified to answer that
[12:34 PM] <Asio_> We need some base emu that we could work on.
[12:34 PM] <Alex> But I don't think we'll see Cata, at least on TC, any time soon
[12:34 PM] <Ironhill> hum de dum, let me get a drink and then I'll type.
[12:35 PM] <Asio_> Deri said something on this subject recently, he can prolly say more than me.
[12:35 PM] <Alex> I don't know where they came from, but I've heard some rummors that we are getting cata this summer
[12:35 PM] <Nihilism> i read that trinity core said that stable server vill come at summer, 2053
[12:36 PM] <Nihilism> i look forvard to i
[12:36 PM] <Nihilism> it *
[12:36 PM] <Asio_> It is haed to say, current state of 3.3.5 emu is just to good to trade it for something not playabl.
[12:36 PM] <Asio_> playable.
[12:36 PM] <Alex> Is that a typo or? XD
[12:36 PM] <Alex> 2053
[12:36 PM] <Nihilism> nop :))
[12:36 PM] <Alex> XD
[12:36 PM] <Asio_> I did not even try to test cata emus, but from what I can see it is really going slowly.
[12:36 PM] <Alex> Mhmm
[12:37 PM] <Nihilism> i don't make typos yo
[12:37 PM] <Asio_> Deri, would you like to say something bout Cata?
[12:39 PM] <timothy003> no
[12:39 PM] <Ironhill> I'm not a huge fan of the idea of custom content largely because it's against the concepts of the original progenitors. However, I can see the value of it, especially given the tendencies of the population and our need for growth.
[12:41 PM] <Ironhill> hmm
[12:42 PM] <Alex> As I have already told Asio, the idea of implementing transmogs, being the custum content they are, is bugging me a lot
[12:42 PM] <Alex> We'll lose that WOTLK feeling
[12:42 PM] <Alex> on the other hand, players might find transmogs refreshing
[12:43 PM] <Asio_> I just want to say that Im not up for having transmogs on live, nor should you have obligation towards me since I put some small effort into implementing it.
[12:43 PM] <Asio_> I am big fan of 100% blizzlike path.
[12:43 PM] <Alex> and it may be appealing to others that are not playing on our server atm
[12:43 PM] <Ironhill> I was more comfortable with the idea of transmogs as a stepping stone for cata. But as it seems that we won't be getting that any time soon..
[12:43 PM] <Ironhill> oh shit my soup
[12:43 PM] <Alex> XD
[12:44 PM] <Asio_> However it seems that transmogs are something that players are looking for when it comes to choosing server.
[12:44 PM] <Nihilism> it is not something that retail did on votlk patch, but retail never had votlk for hov much... 4+ years? Any kind of change is a good change, anything that vill make players enjoy and play game more is good thing. And this change is nothing but good, if you ask me, from player's point of viev
[12:46 PM] <Alex> It's a matter of personal taste
[12:46 PM] <Alex> There are pros and cons
[12:46 PM] <Nihilism> yep, and also, keep in mind, that private servers all over the vorld are kinda hitted vith this transmogs since AT introduced the vorld vith it
[12:47 PM] <Alex> Yeah I mentioned it earlier
[12:47 PM] <Alex> <Alex> and it may be appealing to others that are not playing on our server atm
[12:47 PM] <Nihilism> i vanted to say, not having transmogs and having it, is something noticable on those voting vebsites as vell
[12:48 PM] <Ironhill> Now that's an interesting point.
[12:49 PM] <Alex> Also, we have no way of knowing how the general population might react to this
[12:50 PM] <Nihilism> that vill be visible after fev days
[12:50 PM] <Nihilism> ofc ve should tell pplz to leave comments and impressions on forums as vell
[12:50 PM] <Nihilism> complaints v/e
[12:51 PM] <Ironhill> From what I've heard, there's a small and obstinate portion of the population that seems to have started this. Namely two or three people that have been lying and postulating to move us into position. It's not a prospect that I'm particularly fond of.
[12:51 PM] <Alex> We could poll it, or make a survey
[12:52 PM] <Nihilism> burn haters vith fire
[12:52 PM] <Alex> xD
[12:53 PM] <Alex> Because lets face it, it's a major change that would affect everyone on the server
[12:53 PM] <Asio_> Poll would go in favor of transmogs that is for sure, but still, players will vote for anything new even if it's bad.
[12:53 PM] <Ironhill> I'm fairly sure that the majority of the server will be in favor of it. However Athens proved that democracies don't always make the best decisions. Their input is important but this may not be the time to give them the illusion of athority.
[12:54 PM] <Nihilism> trial transmog period?
[12:54 PM] <Alex> I was thinking the same
[12:54 PM] <Ironhill> That may be possible. A week of experimentation at some date may be useful.
[12:55 PM] <Nihilism> start tomorrov? >.<
[12:55 PM] <Ironhill> And somewhat easily retracted.
[12:55 PM] <Asio_> We dont need to go that far. If Deri agrees we can try it on his test realm.
[12:55 PM] <Asio_> After each staff member gets to see it
[12:55 PM] <Asio_> we can set up public testing
[12:55 PM] <Ironhill> This isn't something that will happen immanently. This is the first of several meetings on the matter.
[12:56 PM] <Asio_> Yeah, I really would't like to rush it.
[12:57 PM] <Alex> Of course, we should not take this lightly
[12:58 PM] <Alex> On the other hand
[12:58 PM] <Alex> We can use transmogs to promote a certain activity
[12:58 PM] <Alex> Let's say voting, or pvp/pve
[12:58 PM] <Alex> world pvp
[12:58 PM] <Alex> events
[12:58 PM] <Alex> anything
[12:59 PM] <Asio_> That is another thing that we could do.
[12:59 PM] <Alex> We could use transmogs to our advantage
[12:59 PM] <Asio_> We could use special transmogs as a event rewards or something.
[1:00 PM] <Asio_> Whole feature will be supported with proper GM commands, so we can use it for events.
[1:00 PM] <Alex> Sure, I don't like seeing custom content of this scale, mainly because it won't feel as much as wotlk as I'd like it to, but I can recognize the benefits we can get from this
[1:00 PM] <Asio_> Also we can set any price on transmogs.
[1:00 PM] <Alex> There are a lot of options on the table
[1:01 PM] <Nihilism> i agree we should promote this as much as possible (im hoping VAY more then RS promotion), and ve should use this in our advantage to full extent.
[1:02 PM] <Nihilism> but ve shouldn't think of this as something that once done, cannot be reverted, since Asio can revert entire server's transmogs literaly vith 2 clicks.
[1:02 PM] <Alex> We can make it free for a couple of hours if or when it goes live, to hook them up on the idea, and then implement a currency or a condition that they will need to meet if they want to transmog
[1:02 PM] <Nihilism> That's vhy, ve can test it on public, after ve (gms) see it on Test Realms. Ve can test it and observe people's reactions in upcoming days
[1:03 PM] <Asio_> Also public testing can be set up that way that transmogs last only untill they logout.
[1:04 PM] <Alex> But if we implement some sorta currrency we don't really wanna overdo it because it will only be a nuisance in their eyes
[1:04 PM] <Nihilism> I knov ve shouldn't take it lightly, and I might have personal desire as vell to run this as fast as possible, but I am more convinced then anything server has done before, that this vill be the best fresh feature on rusty old expansion.
[1:04 PM] <Nihilism> I am just giving my opinion. Nothing else. :)
[1:05 PM] <Alex> Yeah that's why we are here XD
[1:06 PM] <Alex> We need to look at this from every possible angle
[1:07 PM] <Nihilism> yep
[1:08 PM] <Alex> Hmm, how did the retail players react to transmogs, the first time they were introduced?
[1:08 PM] <Ironhill> The same way I did, like a giddy schoolboy.
[1:08 PM] <Nihilism> more avesome then expected. Their old gear and sets they could use again...
[1:08 PM] <Ironhill> And the grinches.
[1:08 PM] <Alex> XD
[1:08 PM] <Nihilism> :))
[1:09 PM] <Ironhill> However, the context was quite different.
[1:11 PM] <Asio_> Well, nowdays it is just a standard feature on retail. Difference here is that players on private servers already know about the feature, they are kinda being teased.
[1:11 PM] <Alex> I donno, I guess I take the game more serious than I should. Seeing someone killing LK with a wedding dress (so to speak) is not that epic and adventurous in my eyes XD
[1:11 PM] <Nihilism> just, no matter hov much I think about it, only bad revievs and comments vill come from people that qq even nov. U can even name them 1 by 1
[1:11 PM] <Asio_> I really doubt that there is some player whos against trasnmogs, but still, I dont think player can be really objective.
[1:12 PM] <Alex> We should ask 20-30 players about it, how they feel and think about transmogs4all
[1:13 PM] <Alex> Some info is better than no info
[1:13 PM] <Nihilism> u take game normaly, and u von't be able to kill LK vith vedding dress even vith transmogs :D
[1:13 PM] <Alex> I know I know it was just an example XD
[1:13 PM] <Nihilism> ^^
[1:13 PM] <Asio_> You can always set up a public poll, I'm just sure it will be something like 300 - 3 in favor of transmogs:)
[1:13 PM] <Alex> My guild master on retail had a whorish set on him
[1:13 PM] <Alex> ah memories
[1:13 PM] <Nihilism> I guess asio is right, ve are kinda teased vith it, since ve knov it is possible
[1:14 PM] <Alex> I'm interested in what they have to say about it, and their reasoning
[1:15 PM] <Alex> I'm more interested in that than the outcome of the poll because it's pretty obvious
[1:16 PM] <Nihilism> vell I already spoke vith more then I guess 20 people, casually in past during a years about cata and transmogs, and I already knov they vould love it :D
[1:16 PM] <Asio_> Well, as far as I know, there was not much about it on retail.
[1:16 PM] <Nihilism> actually, there vasn't even 1 person that objected it, not even those lore achievements freaks like peryite and atina
[1:16 PM] <Asio_> Just another feature added at the end of Cata.
[1:17 PM] <Ironhill> Regardless, we're going in circles here.
[1:17 PM] <Alex> As I said, we could go with a trial period and then use them to promote a certain activity. We can make transmogs work to our advantage
[1:18 PM] <Ironhill> We know that most of the players will want it, but it will have a profound effect on the direction that we will be taking the server, which deserves far more consideration than we have time for today.
[1:19 PM] <Alex> However we do not want to bore our players to death by being idle for a long period of time
[1:19 PM] <Ironhill> We'll start talking to players discreetly about their feelings on the matter with an eye to objectivity, prepare a system for implementation, and gather any pertinent data on the subject.
[1:19 PM] <Ironhill> Then we'll decide whether to actually use this or not.
[1:21 PM] <Alex> Hmm, I guess we could talk to a few people from each major guild on the server, people you can trust, people who won't go spoiling everything and starting rummors
[1:22 PM] <Asio_> Somehow word is already out.
[1:22 PM] * Nihilism hides behind Alex.
[1:22 PM] <Alex> Keep it to a minimum then
[1:22 PM] <Nihilism> :DD jk
[1:22 PM] <Ironhill> That's problematic to say the least.
[1:23 PM] <Asio_> I've been PMed by some players with a questions about transmogs.
[1:23 PM] <Alex> Eradius PMed me XD
[1:23 PM] <Alex> He also asked me about cata in the summer
[1:23 PM] <Ironhill> Most of what I've heard has come from Eradius.
[1:23 PM] <Nihilism> they just randomly guessing I think
[1:23 PM] <Alex> I don't know what the hell is that guy smoking
[1:23 PM] <Asio_> My guild staff could hear it from me, but just as transmog feature, nothing related to m4a.
[1:24 PM] <Asio_> I've been PMed by random players that I've never heard of, so it might be a guess or something.
[1:24 PM] <Alex> [14:51] <Eaten> Aleeex
[1:24 PM] <Alex> [14:54] <Alex> Yeees
[1:24 PM] <Alex> [14:57] <Eaten> Umm
[1:24 PM] <Alex> [14:57] <Eaten> I got a question
[1:24 PM] <Alex> [14:58] <Eaten> There have been tons of rumours about Cata in summer
[1:24 PM] <Alex> [14:58] <Eaten> Please, say a no
[1:24 PM] <Alex> [14:58] <Eaten> I haven't gotten my SM ye :@
[1:24 PM] <Ironhill> Regardless of where it came from, and without assigning any blame, this is an opportune moment to reiterate the need for discretion and professionalism.
[1:24 PM] <Nihilism> he von't get it before summer alex don't vorry :D
[1:25 PM] <Nihilism> No problem Ironhill.
[1:25 PM] <Alex> Very well
[1:25 PM] <Alex> If we are done with this subject I'd like to go on to the other
[1:26 PM] <Alex> Anything else you'd liek to add?
[1:26 PM] <Nihilism> nop, just looking forvard to it.
[1:26 PM] <Ironhill> It's easy to put trust in the wrong person or to accidentally say more than we intend. Just remember that we need to create a professional and consistent front in our dealings with the players. And so on, and on, and on. I'm sure you all get the point.
[1:26 PM] <Ironhill> But yeah, if anybody has any other topics.
[1:26 PM] <Alex> Yeah
[1:26 PM] <Alex> Old fs chars
[1:27 PM] <Ironhill> Ah yes
[1:27 PM] <Ironhill> There's a bit of work to be done there.
[1:27 PM] <Alex> Now I spoke with Asio on this couple of weeks ago, he says we can prevent them from transfering skills
[1:27 PM] <Alex> Meaning they wont be able to transfer their profs
[1:28 PM] <Alex> but their wep skills aswell XD
[1:28 PM] <Ironhill> Can those be limited to just profs?
[1:28 PM] <Ironhill> Via a filter or some such
[1:29 PM] <Asio_> yeah.
[1:29 PM] <Alex> And it's not just the profs, there are other spells too, and on top of all belfs can speak every language there is XD
[1:29 PM] <Asio_> We could say that proffs will not be transfered.
[1:30 PM] <Asio_> We can however work with them to unlearn additional proffs once they transfer
[1:30 PM] <Asio_> that way we will let them coose which proffs they can keep.
[1:30 PM] <Alex> Yeah I've been checking old fs chars
[1:30 PM] <Alex> and unlearning them
[1:30 PM] <Alex> leaving 2 of their chocie
[1:31 PM] <Asio_> I can make a website page for GMs
[1:31 PM] <Asio_> that will auto update and list player with more than 2 profs
[1:31 PM] <Asio_> and listing which proffs they have
[1:31 PM] <Ironhill> The problem is that the majority of them have no interest in unlearning their extra profs. The most useful thing this an indicator for players that are probably hiding something else.
[1:31 PM] <Asio_> allowing you to just go trough list and work with players
[1:32 PM] <Ironhill> scratch that in consideration for Asio's statements made while I wasn't reading. xD
[1:32 PM] <Asio_> Yeah, we do not need any collaboration from their side.
[1:32 PM] <Asio_> We just need them to choose which profs they want to keep.
[1:33 PM] <Asio_> I guess that would be fair from us.
[1:33 PM] <Asio_> However it will require some work on GMs part.
[1:33 PM] <Alex> Of course
[1:33 PM] <Nihilism> alvays...
[1:33 PM] <Alex> That's not a problem, that's what we are here for anyways
[1:33 PM] <Ironhill> If you're up for making such a site, I have no qualms with this.
[1:33 PM] <Ironhill> I'm always interested in who was cheating anyway. lol
[1:33 PM] <Alex> What about their spells?
[1:34 PM] <Asio_> I just need a list of such spells
[1:34 PM] <Alex> Also, can you separate the transfered belfs? THey have every god damn language
[1:34 PM] <Alex> Only 2 come to mind atm
[1:34 PM] <Asio_> I need to know for which spells to look and same thing could be done.
[1:34 PM] <Nihilism> I think everything ve need can be done, ve just need to ask Asio specifically vhat ve need
[1:34 PM] <Alex> mana tap, blessing of zim'abwa
[1:35 PM] <Alex> i noticed few other spells but cant remember
[1:35 PM] <Alex> I also made a macro to unlearn their languages XD
[1:36 PM] <Alex> Damned belfs
[1:37 PM] <Asio_> :)
[1:37 PM] <Nihilism> they are hot
[1:37 PM] <Ironhill> As you notice spells; and this also applies to rumors of spells, leave me a pm and tell Asio about it. Given the unfortunately chaotic nature of FS, a lot of things were possible and may have found their way onto the new server. They need to be investigated with the same gravity as suspected hackers and such.
[1:37 PM] <Nihilism> female ones
[1:37 PM] <Alex> Mhmm
[1:37 PM] <Alex> <Nihilism> female ones
[1:37 PM] <Alex> nice save
[1:37 PM] <Alex> XD
[1:37 PM] <Ironhill> lol
[1:37 PM] <Nihilism> :P
[1:37 PM] <Asio_> There are male belfs?!
[1:38 PM] <Nihilism> Asio had male BE hunter vho looked like gay samurai
[1:38 PM] <Asio_> Anyway, I will set up web page with those lists so we can deal with this. I guess that by tommorow night everything should be ready.
[1:38 PM] <Alex> Aight leave me a pm when its done
[1:39 PM] <Nihilism> k so, next topic I guess?
[1:39 PM] <Alex> shitwa
[1:39 PM] <Alex> it
[1:39 PM] <Alex> osdhgsd
[1:39 PM] <Ironhill> Oh, also old fs characters have mounts from both factions.
[1:40 PM] <Alex> wow the fuckign fuck
[1:40 PM] <Alex> i just saw a spider on my keyboard
[1:40 PM] <Ironhill> Poor Alex :s
[1:40 PM] <Ironhill> Did you set it on fire?
[1:40 PM] <Alex> yes
[1:40 PM] <Alex> called the police too
[1:40 PM] <Ironhill> Good man
[1:40 PM] <Asio_> Yeah, all those characters transfered first time have those spells/mounts.
[1:41 PM] <Asio_> I have access to Minis accs and he has like tone of transfered chars, so I will look up for everything I find there.
[1:41 PM] <Alex> kk
[1:42 PM] <Alex> Oka, moving to another topic if you are ok with it
[1:42 PM] <Ironhill> I'll put together a list of each factions mounts so they can delete them from the players as we find them.
[1:42 PM] <Ironhill> Unless that's what you intended.
[1:43 PM] <Ironhill> Anyway, next topic if anybody has one.
[1:43 PM] <Alex> Aye
[1:43 PM] <Alex> You probably remember how we talked about implementing char transfers from other servers
[1:43 PM] <Ironhill> Yeah
[1:43 PM] <Alex> Asio and Hitman were working on the gear setup
[1:43 PM] <Alex> They didnt finish it tho
[1:44 PM] <Alex> Couple of classes remain
[1:44 PM] <Alex> So lets get that done once and for all
[1:44 PM] <Ironhill> Hmmph. Somebody else will need to do that. I have no idea what people use for gear these days. >_<
[1:44 PM] <Alex> I'll do it
[1:44 PM] <Ironhill> Good man.
[1:45 PM] <Alex> I just need acces to the chars they geared already
[1:45 PM] <Alex> Idk the account
[1:46 PM] <Ironhill> Asio?
[1:47 PM] <Asio_> Im sorry, I had to asnwer phone.
[1:47 PM] <Asio_> Let me read.
[1:47 PM] <Ironhill> ^^
[1:48 PM] <Asio_> Im sorry, I do not have access to acc.
[1:48 PM] <Asio_> Hitman was logging them, I was just suggesting items.
[1:48 PM] <Ironhill> Ah, I'll deal with it then.
[1:48 PM] <Asio_> And spawing vendors.
[1:48 PM] <Alex> Do you remember the acc or char names?
[1:48 PM] <Asio_> spawning*
[1:49 PM] <Asio_> No, but I character naming had a pattern
[1:49 PM] <Asio_> something like <transferrogue>
[1:49 PM] <Asio_> mfarogue
[1:49 PM] <Asio_> or something like that
[1:49 PM] <Nihilism> Ill help u Alex vith those remaining classes, just I am on spring break atm, so kinda busy to log in that oftenw
[1:49 PM] <Alex> Oh
[1:49 PM] <Asio_> I should be able to track it down.
[1:49 PM] <Alex> Alright
[1:49 PM] <Alex> Thanks
[1:50 PM] <Asio_> Also, about that transfer, how we gonna do it?
[1:50 PM] <Alex> Ill have to dig up my logs, I know we worked it out XD
[1:50 PM] <Asio_> It would be nice if we could have some sort of application form implemented in our website.
[1:50 PM] <Nihilism> lets finish those classes, then ve can do announcement and talk about formalities
[1:50 PM] <Alex> yup
[1:51 PM] <Asio_> But how we gonna do it? What will someone have to submit in order to trasfer char?
[1:51 PM] <Ironhill> What information are other servers using?
[1:52 PM] <Asio_> Nihil did a reaserch on this
[1:52 PM] <Alex> We talked this through I just cant really remember the specifics atm
[1:52 PM] <Ironhill> We can use "inspiration" from their applications to create our template.
[1:52 PM] <Nihilism> Those that ve talked about last time. Screenshots of login serv msg, screenshot of realm list, character and /who in dalaran
[1:52 PM] <Nihilism> ofc Items as vell
[1:52 PM] <Alex> But anwyay
[1:52 PM] <Alex> <Nihilism> lets finish those classes, then ve can do announcement and talk about formalities
[1:52 PM] <Alex> and we will dicuss details after
[1:53 PM] <Nihilism> yes, so, can ve move to next topic?
[1:53 PM] <Asio_> Ok, but I was thinking about having a website feature that would suport this.
[1:54 PM] <Alex> Why not
[1:54 PM] <Ironhill> Alright, next topic then.
[1:55 PM] <Nihilism> ok so, I vanted to say something regardwing our organization
[1:55 PM] <Ironhill> Ok
[1:56 PM] <Nihilism> u see, I vould like us to have our assingments, for example, Alex said "I vill take care of transfer classes", that means that in 1-2 veeks Ironhill can ask Alex "vhats going on vith that", and ve can see from there, is somewthing done about it, or should ve assing another person
[1:57 PM] <Nihilism> I mean, alvays after meeting ve are full of ideas, but somehov, noone is onto certain subject and topic, and some things are left unfinished for so long time, and ve can't really knov is anyone doing something about it, or sohuld someone take care of it
[1:57 PM] <Nihilism> cause ve have no idea, vho is doing vhat, if u understand vhat I mean
[1:58 PM] <Nihilism> I vould like you Ironhill, or ve all together, on staff meetings, to assing certain custom things that ve vanna do, Game Masters their ovn, Developers their ovn
[1:58 PM] <Nihilism> Just was ve did nov, but to have certain people on certain jobs, so ve knov vhat vho is doing, and ve can keep track of progress
[1:58 PM] <Ironhill> Hmm, you have a good point. I'll look into putting together a google calendar or diary of some sort so that people can look at the work that's going on and have a reference point.
[1:58 PM] <Nihilism> If someone cannot handle it, he should tell us or you, so ve find another man for that job
[1:59 PM] <Asio_> Yeah, I agree that having some sort of "TO DO" list, and having someone who would assign staff members, would be good.
[2:00 PM] <Nihilism> Also, someone vho can keep everyone checked all the time, and I think Ih is perfect for that job ^^
[2:00 PM] <Nihilism> I believe you vill like it as vell
[2:01 PM] <Alex> Ironhill, the all-seeing eye
[2:01 PM] <Ironhill> We used to have a more coordinated system, but that's sort of fallen by the wayside when development slowed in favor of a more informal system. But you're perfectly correct that we have a need for a more coordinated system now.
[2:02 PM] <Ironhill> I'll have something for you all on it later today or so. It's buried somewhere in the old harddrive.
[2:02 PM] <Nihilism> yeeeeeeey
[2:02 PM] <Nihilism> giv us a vork man, so i can justify my non-studying time
[2:02 PM] <Asio_> Yeah, thats great:)
[2:02 PM] <Nihilism> k thx
[2:02 PM] <Alex> yeah thanks a lot nihilism.... thanks a lot
[2:02 PM] <Ironhill> Those were some damned inspired words, Nihilism.
[2:02 PM] <Nihilism> :))
[2:05 PM] <Ironhill> In the same vein, I'd like to remind you to let me know if you're going to be taking personal time or reducing your activity on the server for a period of time as a courtesy to your fellow staff members. It's important for scheduling and to let me know if we need to hire more staff if we're incapable of covering the server adequately.
[2:06 PM] <Nihilism> yes regarding that, I also vill slack until 10th May, vhen im coming back to my coledge tovn
[2:06 PM] <Nihilism> but u can expect me online vhen ever sowething important is going on
[2:07 PM] <Nihilism> k so, any other topic?
[2:07 PM] <Ironhill> ^
[2:07 PM] <Nihilism> :D sorry for taking charge jej
[2:07 PM] <Asio_> Well I have somethig
[2:07 PM] <Ironhill> I'd like to go sit on my deck, so I'm not complaining. lol
[2:07 PM] <Asio_> ITs not really a topic, but what the hell.
[2:07 PM] <Ironhill> That's fine
[2:08 PM] <Asio_> There was that problem with players not being able to achieve certain acvhievements
[2:08 PM] <Asio_> even tho they are working
[2:08 PM] <Asio_> I was thinging making something like queue on forum
[2:08 PM] <Asio_> where player would apply and than I would copy character to gm acc
[2:08 PM] <Ironhill> Which achievements?
[2:08 PM] <Asio_> to check thse achivs and than if everything seems valid, add them
[2:08 PM] <Asio_> to those players
[2:09 PM] <Asio_> Some players have a problem where
[2:09 PM] <Alex> Huh
[2:09 PM] <Ironhill> For example, because I'm not sure I've heard of this problem before.
[2:09 PM] <Asio_> for example they have killed all bosses in pit of saron, but they never got PoS achiv.
[2:09 PM] <Alex> Me neither
[2:09 PM] <Asio_> Let me dig up posts from forum.
[2:10 PM] <Ironhill> Do you know if this is a widespread problem, or has it just been affecting certain players?
[2:11 PM] <Nihilism> http://m4a.fate4gaming.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=286
[2:11 PM] <Nihilism> It affected only old chars.
[2:11 PM] <Nihilism> There was that issuew before, it is gone know.
[2:11 PM] <Nihilism> now.
[2:11 PM] <Nihilism> *
[2:12 PM] <Alex> But we cant add achievs
[2:12 PM] <Nihilism> However it did permanent dwamage to those chars.
[2:12 PM] <Alex> You or Iron will have to do that
[2:12 PM] <Asio_> Sorry it was my typing from other pc
[2:12 PM] <Ironhill> Alex: I can look into changing that, I just need to make sure the command won't do any harm to the server.
[2:13 PM] <Asio_> since I had browsing history there.
[2:13 PM] <Ironhill> At the moment the command is a console specific command.
[2:13 PM] <Alex> Yeah GMs will have to be carefull with that
[2:14 PM] <Ironhill> If this command does change runlevels, there will be strenuous controls over its use. Because it's a damned pain. -.-
[2:15 PM] <Alex> ^^
[2:15 PM] <Asio_> I was thinkng having a queue where players apply, than we check any answer.
[2:16 PM] <Ironhill> Anyway, Asio's brought up a legitimate problem, I'll look into utilizing the command and I'll let you all know how and if that will be a suitable solution or if we need to find another.
[2:16 PM] <Asio_> Than we can have someone like IH adding achivs
[2:16 PM] <Ironhill> I like the idea of a form.
[2:16 PM] <Alex> Yeah sounds good
[2:16 PM] <Asio_> I believe that just letting those players know that we recognize the problem
[2:16 PM] <Asio_> would be enough.
[2:16 PM] <Alex> I like being helpful XD
[2:16 PM] <Ironhill> Nothing like a bit of bureaucracy to warm the heart.
[2:17 PM] <Synque> Holy fuck you guys said a lot
[2:17 PM] <Alex> Ah Synque
[2:17 PM] <Alex> Just in time
[2:17 PM] <Ironhill> It was a meeting, what did you expect? lol
[2:17 PM] <Synque> Yeh, I got lost.
[2:17 PM] <Alex> I was about to start a topic about your event Synque GM
[2:17 PM] <Alex> As agreed
[2:18 PM] <Synque> Ok
[2:19 PM] <Ironhill> Event?
[2:19 PM] <Alex> Um, yeah Synque can take it from here
[2:19 PM] <Alex> http://m4a.fate4gaming.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=69
[2:19 PM] <Synque> Oh right
[2:19 PM] <Synque> I wrote a topic about an event that takes a shitload of work but MIGHT be really good
[2:20 PM] <Synque> And about a week ago I started thinking about it again.
[2:20 PM] <Alex> There is one problem tho
[2:21 PM] <Synque> Which is?
[2:22 PM] <Ironhill> oh this
[2:22 PM] <Ironhill> I remember you talking about this, I thought you ended up trying it.
[2:22 PM] <Synque> No, it only came as far as that topic.
[2:24 PM] <Ironhill> hmm ok
[2:24 PM] <Synque> Since I didn't think many of you would agree using level 80s would be a good idea
[2:24 PM] <Synque> Buuuuut!
[2:25 PM] <Synque> I recently discovered we can level ourselves to level 80+
[2:25 PM] <Synque> So what if I use level 85 chars or something
[2:25 PM] <Alex> XD
[2:25 PM] <Synque> Or level 10000 people
[2:25 PM] <Alex> What do you mean?
[2:25 PM] <Synque> That way, I (we) make sure they only get used for the event
[2:25 PM] <Synque> Well, my thoughts were
[2:25 PM] <Alex> Leveling is not the problem GM
[2:25 PM] <Synque> First we let people sign up for the event
[2:26 PM] <Synque> Then I randomly make 2 teams
[2:26 PM] <Synque> And THEN I hand out level 80 characters for just the event
[2:26 PM] <Synque> And after the event I ban all the accounts again
[2:26 PM] <Alex> Setting up UI, keys and keybinds, macros and all, that's the problem. It might turn up to be a lot of work for people
[2:27 PM] <Synque> Idd
[2:27 PM] <Synque> That's why we only do the event when there are 78 people willing to join.
[2:27 PM] <Synque> I say 78, cos there should be 1 GM in each group
[2:28 PM] <Ironhill> Can we get 78 people?
[2:28 PM] <Alex> Maybe we should try it with less
[2:28 PM] <Alex> 20 for a start
[2:28 PM] <Alex> 20 per faction that is
[2:29 PM] <Synque> Hmm...
[2:29 PM] <Synque> We could also try that
[2:29 PM] <Synque> As you can obviously see, I don't really have a final plan yet
[2:29 PM] <eggy> Do we even have that many players? ;)
[2:29 PM] <Synque> It's just there in big lines
[2:29 PM] * Synque slaps eggy around a bit with a large trout
[2:29 PM] <Alex> xD
[2:29 PM] <Ironhill> We have plenty of players, we just need to get them in one place. :p
[2:30 PM] <Ironhill> It can be like herding cats.
[2:30 PM] <Synque> Mentally retarded cats.
[2:31 PM] <Ironhill> Oh that's just cruel. xD
[2:31 PM] <Alex> lmao
[2:31 PM] <Synque> It's not entirely untrue though
[2:32 PM] <Synque> When Alex hosts a hide and seek event
[2:32 PM] <Synque> And explains everything
[2:32 PM] <Synque> People still start asking
[2:32 PM] <Synque> gm que we search por??!?!
[2:32 PM] <Alex> invit gm
[2:32 PM] <eggy> Right.. don't most of them not understand English?
[2:32 PM] <Synque> Not really
[2:33 PM] <Ironhill> Unfortunately not. But we're working on it.
[2:33 PM] <Ironhill> The American agenda continues onward. >:D
[2:33 PM] <Synque> Alex' Spanish is really good though
[2:33 PM] <Alex> ._.
[2:33 PM] <Synque> Yesterday he had an actual convo with some Spanish people
[2:34 PM] <Synque> And then he banned them.
[2:34 PM] <Ironhill> Good man.
[2:34 PM] <Synque> Oh btw
[2:34 PM] <eggy> And that's why I don't play (:
[2:34 PM] <Alex> I try
[2:34 PM] <Synque> Since Ulduar is bugged
[2:34 PM] <Synque> I banned someone yesterday for wearing Ulduar gear
[2:34 PM] <Synque> Is that bad?
[2:35 PM] <Alex> Oh that reminds me, I have a list of 10-20 chars wearing ulduar gear
[2:35 PM] <Alex> Well the thing is
[2:35 PM] <Alex> transf chars have ulduar gear XD
[2:35 PM] <Ironhill> It's acceptable. Although we should consider closing the instance if it's as bugged as you're inferring.
[2:35 PM] <Asio_> What do you mean by "Ulduar is bugged"
[2:35 PM] <Asio_> Bosses are doable all the way till Hodir.
[2:36 PM] <Ironhill> Granted I really enjoy going there simply to ban people for hacking. >_>
[2:36 PM] <Nihilism> about 8 bosses are doable
[2:36 PM] <Nihilism> even more
[2:36 PM] <Asio_> And there are all those transfered chars that have a lot of Uld gear.
[2:36 PM] <Synque> Yes, but they're not entirely green except for some Ulduar pieces
[2:36 PM] <Synque> And they have some playtime
[2:37 PM] <Synque> This dude had 1 day playtime or something
[2:37 PM] <Synque> You can't convince me that's a transferred char
[2:37 PM] <Asio_> Im not saying they are not hackers, just a heads up that Uld gear is kinda obtainable
[2:37 PM] <Synque> And Ulduar might work,  it doesn't get raided
[2:37 PM] <Asio_> and even if it is not right now, there is a lot of transfered chars that got gear on FS.
[2:37 PM] <Ironhill> If you had reasonable cause to believe he was a hacker, then it's fine. It falls under the criteria of your job.
[2:37 PM] <Synque> Whenever there are people in Ulduar, they use the demo's and flyhack to bosses
[2:38 PM] <Alex> Yeah thats true
[2:38 PM] <Synque> But yeh, I take more things in consideration before I ban them, dw.
[2:38 PM] <Alex> <Alex> Well the thing is
[2:38 PM] <Alex> <Alex> transf chars have ulduar gear X
[2:38 PM] <Alex> ops
[2:38 PM] <Asio_> As I said, I am not talking bout those player that you banned, jsut talking bout Uld gear in general.
[2:38 PM] <Alex> was about to paste that before Asio replied
[2:39 PM] <Alex> not just chars transfered now
[2:39 PM] <Alex> the old transfers too
[2:40 PM] <Nihilism> is there any other topic that you need us (me and asio) guys, or ve can go grab something to eat
[2:40 PM] <Alex> What are you going to eat?
[2:40 PM] <Alex> im thinking about it too
[2:40 PM] <Alex> :<
[2:40 PM] <Ironhill> >:D
[2:40 PM] <Nihilism> Bechka Shnicla
[2:40 PM] * Ironhill pulls out his cookbook
[2:40 PM] <Alex> NO IRON
[2:40 PM] <Alex> NO
[2:40 PM] <Alex> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[2:41 PM] <Alex> http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
[2:41 PM] <Ironhill> Nah, I'm actually going out tonight. lol
[2:41 PM] <Ironhill> Tomorrow though
[2:41 PM] <Nihilism> ^^
[2:41 PM] <Alex> Dodged a bullet
[2:41 PM] <Nihilism> k, so Ih, please ve ALL are looking forvard to that assingning
[2:42 PM] <Nihilism> specially alex
[2:42 PM] <Alex> Son of a
[2:42 PM] <Nihilism> je
[2:42 PM] <Ironhill> Assignment for Alex: Recipe searching
[2:42 PM] <Synque> So should I read everything you guys said so far?
[2:42 PM] <Nihilism> noo he vill quit
[2:42 PM] <Nihilism> Syn
[2:42 PM] <Alex> yeah, was totally gonna say that
[2:42 PM] <Nihilism> 1 question
[2:43 PM] <Alex> I QUIT
[2:43 PM] <Alex> !
[2:43 PM] <Synque> What's up?
[2:43 PM] <Nihilism> hov do you feel about character transmogrification on m4a? :)
[2:43 PM] <Synque> E to the pic
[2:43 PM] <Alex> Just type the way Asio used to
[2:43 PM] <Alex> Hovv*
[2:43 PM] <Alex> XDDXDXDXDDD
[2:43 PM] <Synque> :P
[2:44 PM] <Synque> But yeh, if you can make that work, awesome.
[2:44 PM] <Nihilism> im on his stupid lap top
[2:44 PM] <Alex> I knovv
[2:44 PM] <Nihilism> ok :)
[2:44 PM] <Alex> lolol
[2:44 PM] <Synque> Doesn't it bring bugs/problems, though?
[2:45 PM] <Ironhill> Assuming that's all taken care of.
[2:45 PM] <Synque> I mean, we won't having tickets popping up saying "omg tranmog npc eat mi shadormarn plis .additem gm :)))"
[2:45 PM] <Ironhill> lol, I'm sure we will. xD
[2:46 PM] <Synque> And would there be any restrictions?
[2:46 PM] <Alex> Damn I was about to do that
[2:47 PM] <Synque> I mean, would clothies be able to transmog plate to cloth and vice versa?
[2:47 PM] <Alex> No
[2:47 PM] <Alex> same armor types
[2:48 PM] <Synque> And what about legendaries?
[2:48 PM] <Alex> no
[2:48 PM] <Nihilism> u cant transmwog legendaries or into legendawriwes
[2:48 PM] <Nihilism> omg this wis winsanew
[2:48 PM] <Alex> lol
[2:48 PM] <Synque> The W works again :D
[2:48 PM] <Alex> i lold
[2:49 PM] <Alex> Wihilism
[2:49 PM] <Nihilism> novv it doesn't vvanna stop
[2:49 PM] <Nihilism> ok, i guess ve can go eat :D
[2:49 PM] <Nihilism> it vas fun and i hope meaningful meeting
[2:50 PM] <Ironhill> Yep, you're all released.
[2:50 PM] <Alex> FREEDOM!
[2:50 PM] <Nihilism> ^^ goodwbye guyswwwwwwwwwwww
[2:50 PM] <Nihilism> omg
[2:50 PM] <Nihilism> sworrwy
[2:50 PM] <Ironhill> I can go eat that icecream cone now, and stare at the dryrot that I'm not going to be fixing.
[2:50 PM] <Alex> Wihilism!
[2:50 PM] <Nihilism> :D
[2:50 PM] <Nihilism> ill swtop
[2:50 PM] <Alex> Wokay
[2:51 PM] <Alex> I'll just go drink water :(
[2:51 PM] <Synque> Wait IH
[2:51 PM] <Synque> Should I read all you guys have said
[2:51 PM] <Synque> Or are there just a couple of points I should know about?
[2:51 PM] <Alex> Yes, read it all!
[2:52 PM] <Alex> Do it.
[2:52 PM] <Alex> Read it
[2:52 PM] <Alex> all
[2:52 PM] <Ironhill> Well, I'm not going to summarize it, so I'd at least try to skim it.
[2:52 PM] <Ironhill> Or well, I probably will summarize it on the forum. -.-
[2:53 PM] <Ironhill> i just want my icecream at the moment.
[2:53 PM] <Synque> Ok, I will allow you to get your icecream
[2:53 PM] <Ironhill> lol
[2:54 PM] <Asio_> Ok guys, Im out as well. Till tommorow:)
[2:56 PM] <Alex> Cyah
[3:38 PM] <Synque> Ok read it
[3:38 PM] <Synque> Now I'm off
[3:38 PM] <Synque> GN
[3:41 PM] <Alex> GN GM
[5:03 PM] <Ironhill> http://m4a.fate4gaming.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=744