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  1. [18:36:28] <l3M3w> Question.. is it better for a child to sit in a foster agency till he/she is 18, or get adopted by a loving gay couple?
  2. [18:37:52] <mime> That is a false dichotomy, i.e. no third option.
  3. [18:38:36] <mime> It is obviously best for the child to be adopted by a heterosexual, married couple.
  4. [18:38:57] <l3M3w> then my question will be, what is second best? :)
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  6. [18:39:40] <mime> That is a very biased and not at all neutral question, l3M3w.
  7. [18:39:50] <Zardoz> living with Honey Boo Boo
  8. [18:40:13] <l3M3w> hey mime
  9. [18:40:22] <l3M3w> I want to introduce you to a friend of mine.. Gregg Homme
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  11. [18:41:52] <mime> It is problematic when some are trying to fool others by biased and fallacious questions and statements.
  12. [18:42:19] <l3M3w> no it was a valid question
  13. [18:42:42] <l3M3w> because the fact remians that children do remain in foster care until 18...
  14. [18:42:59] <l3M3w> so the choice of every foster child being adopted by hetrosexual couples does not exist
  15. [18:43:25] <ELQEYNN> like when their foster parents get divorced?
  16. [18:43:57] <l3M3w> i meant.. in group homes...
  17. [18:44:04] <l3M3w> rather...
  18. [18:46:15] <mime> One could ask: what is best for an orphan - being taken care of by godly parents, or ungodly parents? The answer is obvious.
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  23. [18:51:03] <mime> Some atheists and other ungodly people might of course argue the opposite case, especially at a mere level of thoughts as when putting up a false dichotomy. Such false dilemmas can easily be made by saying; is it better to be raised by alcoholics, or homosexuals, who according to the Bible are perverts. It is obviously best for the child to be raised by two, loving heterosexual, married people.
  24. [18:53:07] <mime> Such false dilemmas often rests, as we see in this case, upon the notion of the lesser evil. But that is, a false dichotomy.
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  26. [18:54:14] <l3M3w> Better it focus on reality
  27. [18:54:19] <l3M3w> not some 'evils'
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  29. [18:56:34] <mime> According to reality, nature herself ordains the frameworks of how children are made and thus also who can make it, and under which circumstances. Producing children, is an ability only two people of different genders could attain.
  30. [18:57:27] <mime> I can thus not see, as l3M3w argues, that homosexual perverts should be an lesser evil for a child, than being raised by two, heterosexual, married people.
  31. [18:58:06] <l3M3w> but the fact that unadopted chldren DO exist, is clearly reason that only hetrosexuals should adopt
  32. [18:58:29] <mime> The fact that unadopted children exist, do not say anything about the fact of who should or should not adopt children.
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  34. [18:59:24] <mime> You should read Aristeles books about rhetorics, for its important how you formulate an argument. Yes, it actually dictates the whole argument.
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  37. [19:00:42] <mime> The mere fact that unadopted children exist, do not say anything about who should or should not adopted them. Murderers, criminals, homosexuals etc. No, the fact that unadopted children exist, merely says that unadopted children exist.
  38. [19:01:34] <l3M3w> but being homosexual is not a crime though
  39. [19:01:40] <l3M3w> so nice failed logic on your behalf
  40. [19:01:57] <mime> Being homosexual is not only a crime, but a very serious and sinful crime.
  41. [19:02:17] <l3M3w> where in the us statutes is it a crime?
  42. [19:02:37] <mime> That something is not illegal by codified, secular law, do not make a given behavior good or virtues. No, in primitive society many behaviors are not regulated by law, and they yet remain sinful, criminal and amoral behaviors.
  43. [19:02:54] <l3M3w> again
  44. [19:02:58] <l3M3w> your logic is flawed
  45. [19:03:04] <mime> No, your argument is.
  46. [19:03:09] <l3M3w> have a good day... you are just not worth the wasted bandwidth
  47. [19:03:56] <mime> The fact that it is OK to beat a child in certain parts of the U.S.A., do not make this behavior good and moral. Most leftists understand that, so it shouldnt be too much of a problem to understand the difference between codified, secular law, and actual morality.
  48. [19:04:00] Mouser wonders when Jesus sat and ate with the publicans and sinners, if homosexuals were present... I wonder if he called them out, and beat them with a sledgehammer?
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  50. [19:05:35] <Mouser> l3M3w - Good afternoone.
  51. [19:06:18] <l3M3w> good afternoon Mouser..
  52. [19:06:23] <l3M3w> interesting post you made :)
  53. [19:06:41] <l3M3w> I see mime has been silenced by your truth!
  54. [19:07:07] <Mouser> l3M3w - yes, something that occured to me when I was reading several years ago, was the lack of attacks on sinners that he was eating with..
  55. [19:07:20] <Mouser> the bible is clear that he ate with publicans and sinners..
  56. [19:07:43] <l3M3w> indeed
  57. [19:07:45] <l3M3w> :)
  58. [19:08:20] <mime> What did Jesus say to publicans and sinners? Go, and sin no more. So while it is interesting for some people to observe that Jesus was a peaceful person, it is even more interesting to view his teachings in this regard.
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  61. [19:10:30] <Toph> mime,,, other than the one occasion with the woman caught in adultery, where does Jesus say, go, sin no more?
  62. [19:10:56] <Mouser> Toph - What about the woman at the well?
  63. [19:11:08] <Toph> nope
  64. [19:11:16] <mime> Jesus speaks of repentance many and various times, Toph. Yes, all of Jesus ministry is a preaching of this doctrine, that Gods kingdom is near and that humankind must repent.
  65. [19:11:33] <Mouser> Toph - how about the lame man that had his sins forgiven?
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  67. [19:11:43] <Mouser> Conservative welcome back
  68. [19:11:52] <Toph> mime,,, I agree,, but Jesus used that phrase only once if I recall
  69. [19:12:15] <Conservative> thank you kindly
  70. [19:12:16] <mime> I dont understand what kind of bearing such has upon what is said, Toph.
  71. [19:12:17] <Conservative> how is the TEAM this morning
  72. [19:12:21] Conservative gags lol
  73. [19:12:50] <Toph> <mime> What did Jesus say to publicans and sinners? Go, and sin no more.
  74. [19:12:57] <mime> Are you arguing that Christians could live as they please, even in contradiction with Gods grace and the works of the Holy Ghost, Toph?
  75. [19:13:06] <mime> Yes, Toph.
  76. [19:13:58] <Mouser> Toph - He did not appear to deal with their sins specifically or generally most of the time
  77. [19:14:39] <mime> ?kjv Luke 13:3-5
  78. [19:14:39] <@pete-> Luke13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (KJV)
  79. [19:14:39] <@pete-> Luke13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? (KJV)
  80. [19:14:39] <@pete-> Luke13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (KJV)
  81. [19:15:21] <mime> This is the word Jesus preached to publicans and sinners, yes, to the whole generation of Adams children.
  82. [19:16:10] <mime> Christians understand that, of course. It would be most devious to try to give a different impression of Jesus teaching if one claims to be a Christian.
  83. [19:17:51] <mime> Yes, exactly because Christians are given to understand the doctrines of God, they will be held responsible for what they say about the same to the ignorants and sinners.
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  90. [19:28:39] <mime> ?kjv 1Tim 1:8-11
  91. [19:28:40] <@pete-> 1Tim1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; (KJV)
  92. [19:28:40] <@pete-> 1Tim1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (KJV)
  93. [19:28:40] <@pete-> 1Tim1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (KJV)
  94. [19:28:40] <@pete-> 1Tim1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. (KJV)
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