Randy Credico Interviews Roger Stone (03/26/2016)

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"You're Crazy If You're Up This Early" hosted by Randy Credico, transcript excerpt with guest Roger Stone. Broadcast date: March 26, 2016.

File link: http://www.mediafire.com/file/ff3qq94h2c8706k/wbai_160326_070000youcrazy+-+Roger+Stone.mp3

Excerpt runs from 34:23 to 55:30.

RANDY CREDICO
And here's a guy who knows a lot about impressions, knows a lot about everything. That was the legendary John Byner, we're going to have the legendary political consultant on at this point, really, one of the most interesting individuals I have ever met...in my life. And that is, of course, Roger Stone. Hello Roger?

ROGER STONE
Randy Credico.

CREDICO
What did you think-

STONE
Boy, that John Byner is unbelievable. This guy's George Jessel is a classic.

CREDICO
Yeah. What did you think of his Jolson?

STONE
Much better than your Jolson.

CREDICO
Well, you would know. You're a fan of Jolson. He lived-

STONE
World's greatest entertainer. Perhaps the greatest showman that ever lived. A guy whose career spans from 1917, when he breaks through, to being the number one male vocalist in the country in 1950. That's a pretty good run.

CREDICO
Yeah, well, he started out before 1917...didn't he, Jolson? I mean-

STONE
His first Broadway hit, his big hit, is 1917.

CREDICO
That's "Swannee", right? Or not?

STONE
Correct.

CREDICO
That was- That was George Gershwin. And that was Jolson.

STONE
Correct.

CREDICO
"Jolson Story", "The Jazz Singer" is a pretty good movie. First talkie, right?

STONE
It's actually unwatchable, it's so bad.

CREDICO
Is it?

STONE
Jolson's a terrible actor. The one thing is...he is too hammy, way over the top, but the movie is a giant commercial success, and of course, it makes Jolson a very rich man. Because instead of compensation, he agrees to take Warner Brothers stock. Warner Brothers is on the balls of their ass...I think I can say that on WBAI...they're broke, they implore Jolson to come make the movie. Now, ironically, the stage play "The Jazz Singer" starred George Jessel...

CREDICO
No kidding.

STONE
They went around Jessel, to find Jolson, to play the part in the movie without Jessel's knowledge. And, of course, it makes Jolson a superstar. Although he's already pretty big. Ultimately makes him very wealthy because the Warner Brothers stock soars after making the first talking picture.

CREDICO
You know Jolson lived in Winter Park, and there was a codicil, or whatever it's called, something in the...if you wanted to move in, into that neighbourhood, it forbade anyone except white people. Is that true? About Jolson?

STONE
I really doubt that's true. Although I must say, I don't know. I am reminded of the famous story, of George Jessel, taking Lena Horne to the Stork Club, which was notoriously segregated. It did not admit blacks. The maitre'd looks at his book, and says "I'm sorry, who made your reservation?" And Jessel says, "Abraham Lincoln, you sonofabitch!"

CREDICO
[laughs] That's hilarious. That's a great line. That is a great line. Did he actually bring her in? Did they actually sit down?

STONE
I guess they finally sat- Yes. She was seated after that.

CREDICO
Yeah. The famous Stork Club. Well, so, Jolson continued, made the comeback, in the forties, his, they did the movie..."Larry Parks", "Jolson Sings Again"...that voice _then_ is not the same voice of Jolson from the 1920s. Because I think he had emphysema, right?

STONE
Well...no, I think the real difference is in 1920, the teens and the twenties, the recording equipment is very primitive, and therefore the greatest single quality a singer can have, is volume. The ability to put a song over, and reach the people in the back rows. Jolson was very loud, and his voice was high...and he had power. By the 1930s, this style of singing is out, because we have more sophisticated microphones. In comes Bing Crosby and the crooners. And pretty soon, Jolson's style of singing becomes very over the top. Too hammy, too old time. Jolson essentially adjusts his vocal style, brings his voice down three octaves...it's much warmer, and more resonant, and more pleasant, and then, of course, for the preparation of the movie, he goes back into a more modern recording studio, and he records every song he's ever done. Re-records. And he dies shortly thereafter. So all that, of course, is captured.

CREDICO
All those were Decca records, right?

STONE
Yeah. That's correct.

CREDICO
I grew up listening to them...and then I went and got...because I started out, and I know my Jolson is not as good as John Byner's...I started out when I was seventeen years old, I grew up listening to Jolson records, singing in a little place in Montclair, California, with a piano player that was worse than Edith Bunker [character on the old sitcom, "All in the Family"]. I would do Jolson tunes, and the compensation was beer. That's what I got. I got beer and pizza...Inside Family Restaurant was the name of it. And I did Jolson. And I had some great Jolson albums that I used to get at Tower Records, "Jolson Rambulating", "Jolson Reminiscing", just sitting around, playing with Harry Ruby, playing the piano. You know, and singing. So, an interesting character.

STONE
Little did we know that that would be the pinnacle of your career, and it would be-

CREDICO
YES! I know, I could never ever ever, get to that level again. You know, it's been a big drought [does Reagan] Well, [goes to Nixon] did he [Jolson] ever play for Richard Nixon? That's what I'd like to know. Because I know, Roger, you got a story there. [stops Nixon] We started out playing Louis Armstrong [intro music], "Kiss To Build A Dream On", and I read from The Stone Zone [Stone's website and blog], this story with Louis Armstrong and Richard Nixon. Do you remember that story that you wrote?

STONE
Sure.

CREDICO
What happened? You knew Nixon. You worked with Nixon. Right? And so I guess you got this first-hand. What is that story about Nixon and Louis Armstrong?

STONE
I actually heard the story from two different people. Ironically, I heard it from a guy named Charlie McWhorter, who worked for Nixon...when he was Vice President. And I also heard it from a musician...the story goes like this: Louis, was, as you know, a habitual user of marijuana, and Louis was doing these tours, for the government. These goodwill tours, where they would send him on around the globe performances...of course, the United States would get great publicity out of it. And whenever Louis was coming back into the country, of course, he would pick up some Thai stick, and he'd bring it back with him. Didn't think much of it, but on this one particular occasion, he flew into Idlewild airport, then, now Kennedy...and he had a large cache of marijuana in his bag, [CREDICO laughs] but unlike the previous occasions, when he had just been given diplomatic immunity and been waved through customs, they put him on line to go through customs. And Louis begins to sweat, because he realizes they're going to find the stuff in his bag, and it's going to be an incident, and probably be in the newspapers, and the entire tour will be ruined along with his reputation. It's at that juncture that Vice President Richard Nixon lands at Idlewild coming into Washington, he's walking through the terminal, sees Armstrong, and says, "Louis! What are you doing here?" He says, "I just came back from Asia, we had this great tour..." And Nixon says, "Why are you waiting to go through customs?" And he says, "Somebody waved me into this line...", the customs agents. Nixon picks up his bags, and says, "Well, let the Vice President of the United States take those bags for you." Takes Louis to the curb, Louis hops into his car, and he's gone. In other words, Nixon muled drugs for Louis Armstrong.

CREDICO
Wow. Wow. [does Nixon] That is unbelievable. Come with me, Louis. And Nixon had that kind of clout. [stops Nixon impression] You, of course, worked with Nixon, and you worked with Reagan. Who was more interesting, to be around, Reagan or Nixon?

STONE
Oh, Nixon, there's no question. He was- He had an encyclopedic knowledge of baseball, politics, uuuuuh, just much more, a warmer, more engaging guy, one-on-one, just more interesting.

CREDICO
Yeah.

STONE
Reagan was very reserved, very disinterested in the details, invariably when you hung out with Reagan, you ended up talking about women.

CREDICO
No kidding.

STONE
Sure. Because Reagan, in between his marriages, to Jane Wyman and Nancy Reagan - Nancy Davis - Reagan had a bit of a reputation as a rake.

CREDICO
No kidding. [does Reagan] Now Roger, wait a sec...is that true?

STONE
Absolutely true. There's one thing that Jack Kennedy and Ronald Reagan had in common...Marilyn Monroe. They were eskimo buddies, shall we say.

CREDICO
No kidding. I've never heard that before.

STONE
Actually, terrific piece about this in the U.K. Daily Mail, not that long ago...Reagan, Betty Grable, Lana Turner...he knocked out all the great talent of his day when he was briefly a bachelor.

CREDICO
Wow. Wow. But he was very loyal to Nancy, right? And the stories about Nancy and Sinatra are not true?

STONE
That's just nonsense. She was cultivating Sinatra, Sinatra had been a Democrat, Sinatra campaigned for Hubert Humphrey in 1968...

CREDICO
[does Humphrey] That's right, what happened to him. Why did he go with Ronald Reagan?

STONE
I bet you don't get to use your Humphrey impression anymore.

CREDICO
I DON'T. Who am I going to be doing this year when the election's finally over? Do you think?

STONE
Do you have a decent Ted Cruz? 'Course, you won't be able to use that for much longer, I should say.

CREDICO
Wait- wait a second, now. You think Cruz is finished now, with this latest scandal?

STONE
Well, he attacked me yesterday-

CREDICO
I saw that!

STONE
He said that I am a rodent copulator.

CREDICO
I don't know what that means, and I can't believe it came out of his mouth, but I saw the National Enquirer story...you were quoted in. Why would he go after you?

STONE
This story, in fact, has been swirling around for- every major news outlet has been chasing it, I've heard all of these allegations from Texas, Powell, for some years, I doubt we've heard the end of this story...but...look, when you're the champion of the Moral Majority, when you're out there preaching the morality of the evangelical Christian, and you're claiming to be something that you're not, I think you're especially vulnerable.

CREDICO
This is Jimmy Swaggart level [reference to a Christian televangelist who was caught having affairs with multiple women in the 1980s], though.

STONE
Yeah. And I think at least most of it is true, if not all of it. But, look I've seen the women he's been accused of being with...I'd say he's the rat copulator, actually.

CREDICO
[laughs] That's- I'm not even going to comment...I haven't seen the pictures, but the eyes and the face are pixelated...right? As Gary Cooper would say in _Mr Deeds Goes To Town_. [does Cooper, maybe] "The eyes are pixelated." [stops impression, if it was even started] Right? So, you don't know who they are. But the National Enquirer got photos? Of these women?

STONE
Yeah. I think in political circles, everyone is known. And it's only a matter before [sic] one of them comes forward, and confirms...what seems to be happening today on the internet, is relatives of these women....are coming forward, and saying "Oh, yes, she said that she had something going with Ted."

CREDICO
Wow.

STONE
Look, the guy's- look, he's a total confection. Let's be very clear. This guy is a George W. Bush Republican. He was George W.'s chief issues advisor the year he ran for president, and the first year of his presidency. He's a globalist. He voted for TPP, the international trade deal.

CREDICO
He did vote for it.

STONE
-Bernie Sanders correctly realizes these international trade deals are ruining our country. Sucking the jobs out of our country. Here's a good chance to use your Ross Perot, by the way. I guess you don't get much use for that.

CREDICO
[laughs, does Perot] It's got that sucking wind. That sucking wind's going to go to China. Now. If they have this TPP, all the jobs are going to go to China. Or they're going to go to Thailand. All these other places. [stops Perot] How's that?

STONE
[pause] Not bad.

CREDICO
I haven't done it in twenty years.

STONE
You better work on your Trump.

CREDICO
The Trump voice I'm having difficulty with...everyone else seems to do it...I'm going to work on it this week, because I know one thing: if Hillary Clinton is the nominee for the Democratic party, Trump wins. Trump absolutely wins it. Is she working with Trump? Is she working with Trump? Does she want Trump to win?

STONE
She is incredibly talentless. But I just think- Look, her husband's record as a sexual predator, and at least twenty eight women he has assaulted and raped...

CREDICO
Twenty eight women. Is that going to be an issue?

STONE
I suspect Trump will make it an issue, because Hillary is an accessory after the fact. You could say, "Oh, that's not her." No, she's the one who threatened these women, she's the one who bullies them, intimidates them out of testifying, going public. Sometimes she does it directly, in the case of Juanita Broaddrick, the woman who was raped during Clinton's 1978 campaign for attorney general, and other cases she hires heavy handed private detectives, to go out and threaten these women. So, the idea of Hillary as a feminist is a joke.

CREDICO
Right.

STONE
It's just a joke.

CREDICO
I tell you, I agree with you on that, she's not a feminist. There's a book that you wrote, called _The Clintons' War On Women_, which people can get on Amazon, I believe? It's-

STONE
Amazon, or they can go to Roger Stone dot com-

CREDICO
Right.

STONE
-or they can pop into Barnes and Noble. Look, the point here is, the Clintons are not liberals or progressives.

CREDICO
What are they?

STONE
They're crony capitalists. Just like the Bushes.

CREDICO
Right.

STONE
She's for sale. If Bill- The only place she wants to feed poor Black people is in a prison cafeteria.

CREDICO
Where- Where- What do you think, are inside these transcripts of the speeches [does Bernie] that Bernie Sanders keeps asking for her to release? [stops doing Bernie, thankfully] What do you think are in these speeches? Why doesn't she just release them?

STONE
I suspect they're not all that interesting. I just think she is- She wants the whole issue to go away. Six hundred and five thousand dollars for a twenty minute speech? That looks like a bribe to me.

CREDICO
What about the daughter? Didn't the daughter make some money too? She made like sixty grand.

STONE
The daughter- Look, these people would steal a hot stove. They're all about the money. You could not- You could not-

CREDICO
Well, why does she- Yes.

STONE
You could not sign three strikes legislation, putting, I guess, literally, the millions of young Black men in prison for the possession of small amounts of  marijuana and call yourself an advocate for the Black community. Bill Clinton has an abandoned Black son, Danny Williams...the Washington Post in 1999 wrote a completely bogus story claiming a DNA test absolved him. This is the same Bill Clinton who signed legislation cutting funding for single mothers.

CREDICO
Right.

STONE
These people- Who abandons their own son?

CREDICO
Right.

STONE
It's just astounding. And I-

CREDICO
Why do people think- still think, that she's a progressive? On foreign policy, Trump came out the other day, and Sanders did, and so did Tulsi Gabbard did, that Hillary has to take some responsibility for the quagmire in Syria and in Libya. And Iraq. No?

STONE
No, because she has this weird idea that you are whatever you say you are at the time. And therefore, the fact that she was a cheerleader for the Iraq war, she'd like to erase from her record. Like it never happened. Like today, she says "Oh, in retrospect, NAFTA was a mistake." Uh duh, we knew that at the time. She'll do another international trade deal, just like TPP. But because Bernie is pasting her with NAFTA, which has cost thousands of people in the Midwest and the Northeast of this country and the Rust Belt of this country their jobs, she's like a chameleon. She'll be whatever you need to be. But my real question, Randy, is, why doesn't she stop shouting? Why is she always shouting?

CREDICO
I don't know. If I were- If I could do female impressions, like George Kirby did Sarah Vaughn, I would be doing her voice. [does a bad variation of "Democrat voice"] "I want you people to know that I'm going to go against what they're trying to shove down her-" Everything is a scream job with her. She is a horrible speaker. Probably the worst speaker I've- Andrew Cuomo is pretty bad. She's worse than Cuomo. I would say. Horrible speaker. Terrible-

STONE
He's much better than her.

CREDICO
The other day I'm watching her, her head looks like one of those lawn sprinklers, going back and forth looking at the teleprompter, in this so-called off-the-cuff foreign policy speech, that she delivered.

STONE
Her real fundamental problem as a speaker is her inability to sound sincere about anything.

CREDICO
She's not sincere.

STONE
She could be reading the breakfast menu out loud, and you'd say "That's a lie! That sounds like a lie to me."

CREDICO
Yeah. Really. She could be reading...yeah, I guess so...That's a pretty...I can't top that one. She's pretty bad. She's one of the worst speakers. And so...is there a roadmap here...for Sanders...are we finished? Are people who support Sanders, are we finished here? Are they going to shove Hillary Clinton down our throat? You look at the execution of Ricky Ray Rector, which she was totally involved in. And that's why I can't understand why African Americans support her. Because you go back to Ricky Ray Rector, who was murdered basically, a guy missing his brain...she's the one who has Bill Clinton go down there, just prior to the New Hampshire primary, where he does the Comeback Kid, she's the one who told him to do that.

STONE
Yeah, I think there's an education process. Unfortunately, it looks like it's going to happen in the fall, because Bernie hasn't raised any of these issues.

CREDICO
Why doesn't he raise it? Why doesn't Bernie Sanders raise it, the fact that they overlook what happened in Rwanda, her support of Goldwater in '64...there's a lot of things that they could bring up. Kissinger. I know you like Kissinger. [does a run of the mill Kissinger] Kissinger, you like. [stops Kissinger] That's her foreign policy advisor. And, you know, the trade deals. Welfare as we know it.

STONE
I'm not a Kissinger fan, of course, I'm a hardliner.

CREDICO
Yeah, you're a hardliner [laughs]. So, let me ask you a question about Hillary. Where does Bernie Sanders go from here? I think there are a lot of machinations going on. Like, in Arizona, a lot of people think he won Arizona. I mean, could they actually manipulate-

STONE
I think that's exactly what happened. Bernie needed to understand this before he got into the race. That they were not going to be denied this nomination. And they'll cheat to win it. I understand that Bernie himself realizes that there is no path at this point, and he would like to get out. But his campaign is generating so much cash, and so much cash for his handlers-

CREDICO
Tad Devine must be making a fortune, right? Alright.

STONE
Yeah.

CREDICO
All those consultant guys must be making a fortune.

STONE
Maybe he could buy himself a chin.

CREDICO
A chin. [laughs loudly] That's funny. I know what that means. Alright. And he's got a weird thing with his mouth. Listen, we gotta let you go. Thank you, that was a fascinating, quick twenty five minutes of Roger Stone, the Stone Zone dot com, and you can get his book, _The Clintons' War On Women_, that's a fascinating book, and it gives you more insight into Hillary's mindset. Alright? Are we done?

STONE
Well? Alright?

CREDICO
We gotta go.

STONE
Be well.

CREDICO
Thank you very much, Roger.