#Piexplode: yeah sure
#Piexplode: firstly I gotta tell u what we've
#Piexplode: actually done
#Piexplode: lol
#Piexplode: in terms of what's completed
#Piexplode: we've made 40 of the 60 pokemon
#Piexplode: by that I mean base stats+typing
#Piexplode: we have completed the list of
#Piexplode: competitive moves
#Piexplode: more or less true with abilities and items too
#Piexplode: about half of the created mons now have complete movepools with respect to competitive moves
#Piexplode: so that's where we are atm
#Piexplode: in terms of particularly notable differences to standard play
#Piexplode: the first and most obvious one is the hazards
#Piexplode: we have no toxic spikes
#Piexplode: we have a spikes equivalent but it's 2 layers, each added layer does 1/8 damage
#Piexplode: and we have health orbs
#Piexplode: which are basically hazards on your own side that heal you depending upon
#Piexplode: how weak to psychic you are
#Piexplode: the most you can heal is
#Piexplode: 30%
#Piexplode: if you're a poison/fighting type
#Piexplode: naturally, dark types heal nothing
#Piexplode: the scale is 30/20/10/5/2.5 iirc in terms of how much you heal but I'd have to check
#Piexplode: also we have a clone to sticky web called mud puddle
#Piexplode: the next major difference is
#Piexplode: whilst we don't have weather
#Piexplode: we have something called terrains
#Piexplode: they can be seen here http://projectbam.proboards.com/thread/109/terrains
#Piexplode: basically there's
#Piexplode: 5 sorts
#Piexplode: they all have
#Piexplode: a move and an ability which summon them
#Piexplode: I'll give u a minute to read through the thread
#Piexplode: since there's no point in me just copypasting text
#Piexplode: but I think you'll agree it's pretty awesome
#Piexplode: (not sure how we'll program them but we'll work over that hurdle when we come to it)
+RotomPoison: i think someone programmed something similar to it
+RotomPoison: it was probably joim
#Piexplode: okay well that's good to know at least
#Piexplode: do they look neat?
+RotomPoison: yeah but water types just become a lot better from it
#Piexplode: well not nessecarily better but
#Piexplode: it certainly makes them
#Piexplode: very interesting
#Piexplode: actually one of the pokemon
#Piexplode: which we've planned but not created yet
#Piexplode: basically we're having FWG starters each with megas pretty much and
#Piexplode: the water one
#Piexplode: the plan is that
#Piexplode: in 2 terrains it's awesome
#Piexplode: and in the other 2 it sucks
#Piexplode: and then when it mega evolves
#Piexplode: the 2 which it was awesome in it now sucks in
#Piexplode: and vice versa
#Piexplode: this'll be done by stuff like manipulating its movepool, coverage moves, and what type's its STAB etc.
#Piexplode: is that an awesome concept or what?
+RotomPoison: it is
#Piexplode: cool
#Piexplode: okay I'll now tell you about particularly major moves, although each type has physical and special usable STABs
#Piexplode: altho ground's special one is shit imo the rest are good lol
#Piexplode: I only say ground's special is shitcos 80 power 80 accuracy
#Piexplode: but we don't really have anything that needs it badly atm so
#Piexplode: no worries
#Piexplode: http://projectbam.proboards.com/thread/262/overview-descriptions this has the complete list of moves that you can look at later
#Piexplode: we have Boom which is basically Explosion but we also have
#Piexplode: Dimension Bomb
#Piexplode: which is
#Piexplode: a special dark-type selfdestruct
#Piexplode: we still have wish and leech seed
#Piexplode: although we have an electric-type leech seed too called Sap
#Piexplode: belly drum still exists too
#Piexplode: our clones of toxic/WoW are 100% accurate
#Piexplode: wwhilst the twave mexiclone is 70% accurate and only 1 move has a possibility of paralysis as an added effect
#Piexplode: Simorgh, our fire-type pokemon with a mega
#Piexplode: has an insanely cool signature move too
#Piexplode: it's called
#Piexplode: Phoenix To Ashes
#Piexplode: basically it has priority -4
#Piexplode: faints the user
#Piexplode: and revives to full health etc.
#Piexplode: 1 fainted pokemon
#Piexplode: in terms of hazard clearing we have
#Piexplode: cursed winds which is a ghost-type rapid spin
#Piexplode: and we also have
#Piexplode: wash away
#Piexplode: which just clears hazards on your own side
#Piexplode: and is tauntable
#Piexplode: and is water type
#Piexplode: we have clones of screens which are called Vine Guard and Tesla Shield (grass and electric typed respedctively)
#Piexplode: in terms of set up moves and moves like growl we've generally got clones for them
#Piexplode: the only move that gives a +3 boost is a cotton guard clone called Titanium Defense though
#Piexplode: In terms of sleep movfes there's 4
#Piexplode: the most accurate is Steel type 90% acc called Sleepwrks
#Piexplode: *works
#Piexplode: then we have a rock type 85% acc called Quartz Spell
#Piexplode: Birdsong is flying type and 70% accurate
#Piexplode: and Sweet Melody is 60% acc and normal
#Piexplode: furthermore there's also a move called
#Piexplode: Dreamwish
#Piexplode: which is ghost type and
#Piexplode: essentially consider it as
#Piexplode: a spore that only works whilst you are asleep
#Piexplode: Sand Gust and Strong Gust are phazing moves
#Piexplode: Sand is Ground type and a status move whilst
#Piexplode: Strong is Flying type and 40 base power
#Piexplode: Healing Circle is a weird move
#Piexplode: it basically heals both you and your opponent to max HP
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#Piexplode: Taunt, Torment, and Destiny Bond still exist
#Piexplode: (encore doesn't though)
#Piexplode: we also have a psychic special belly drum called Focus Mind
#Piexplode: Mirror Striker is a special psychic type foul play
#Piexplode: (we're nearly done this lol)
#Piexplode: we have a pin split clone called Health Sharing
#Piexplode: *pain
#Piexplode: a ghost type move called Soul Snatch wwhich has
#Piexplode: another really weird effect
#Piexplode: basically the user of the moves
#Piexplode: replaces their secondary type
#Piexplode: with the opponent's primary type
#Piexplode: the only thing left now is the priority moves
#Piexplode: o and we have
#Piexplode: Concealed Power which is basically a physical hidden power
#Piexplode: Nitro Crash - Phys, BP=40, Acc=100, +1 Priority
#Piexplode: Leaf Turbine - Phys, BP=40, Acc=100, +1 Priority
#Piexplode: Flash Freeze - Spc, BP=40, Acc=100, +1 Priority
#Piexplode: Rocket Slam - Phys, BP=40, Acc=100, +1 Priority
#Piexplode: Swift Swing - Phys, BP=40, Acc=100, +1 Priority
#Piexplode: and their respective typings are Fire, Grass, Ice, Steel, Bug
#Piexplode: ooooooh and also
#Piexplode: Spring is a steel type u-turn
#Piexplode: and Leaf Turn is a grass type volt switch
#Piexplode: obviously I don't expect you to remember all of that at least straight away lol
#Piexplode: but the thread is always there for reference
#Piexplode: ^^
#Piexplode: tell me when you're ready for me to continue onto discussing the pokemon
+RotomPoison: ready
#Piexplode: okay
#Piexplode: also what do you
#Piexplode: think of all of that lol
+RotomPoison: its really different so i cant say much until i try it
#Piexplode: well naturally we can't playtest it until we've got everything made and coded so
#Piexplode: we have to go by theorymonning
#Piexplode: I don't feel that there's very much in there that's
#Piexplode: super original
#Piexplode: but I think there's enough and that
#Piexplode: overall it's interesting and unique
#Piexplode: okay now I'll go through the pokemon one by one
#Piexplode: 01 Fire Flyi 080 110 090 060 090 100 550 Simorgh i.imgur.com/hLNLv0u.png
#Piexplode: 01MFire Flyi 080 100 105 145 105 095 630 Mega-Simorgh
#Piexplode: I'll give you the pokedex listing so
#Piexplode: the first one is Simorgh
#Piexplode: the fire type 'starter'
#Piexplode: that's a picture of it although it's not nessecarily the final version
+RotomPoison: why did you give it 80 more defense
#Piexplode: we didn't
#Piexplode: it goes from
+RotomPoison: oh it lined up wrong
#Piexplode: 80/110/90/60/90/100
#Piexplode: to
#Piexplode: 80/100/105/145/105/95
+RotomPoison: yeah its spatk not defense
#Piexplode: yea
#Piexplode: we gave it 85 SpA instead ;)
#Piexplode: I think that it's a really cool concept
#Piexplode: also we won't have the
#Piexplode: limit on mega evolutions
#Piexplode: that are in place in regular pokemon
#Piexplode: since there's only gonna be 3 and they're not going to be particularly more dangerous in combination
#Piexplode: but yea the concept behind this one was
#Piexplode: to have a pokemon that in its base forme is
#Piexplode: a physical attack
#Piexplode: *attacker
#Piexplode: and in its mega forme
#Piexplode: becomes slightly slower, a bit bulkier, and a special attacker
#Piexplode: offensively we're all aware of how good its coverage can be, just looking at ho-oh for example
#Piexplode: defensively it's fairly neat too
#Piexplode: aside from having roost
#Piexplode: it has neat resistances to
#Piexplode: grass (4x) and steel (2x) which are
#Piexplode: the 2 pivot moves (SpringTurn)'s types
#Piexplode: aka it resists Spring and Leaf Turn
#Piexplode: as well as resisting fairy which we will see much later on has its uses too
#Piexplode: so that's basically Simorgh and how it works
#Piexplode: next
#Piexplode: 04 Norm Flyi 046 092 101 094 102 115 550
#Piexplode: no name for this one yet
#Piexplode: oh I forgot to say that Simorgh comes from
#Piexplode: the Persian for Phoenix
#Piexplode: which I guess should make sense what with its signature move being a Phoenix move
#Piexplode: okay anyway this pokemon
#Piexplode: as of yet unnamed
#Piexplode: its speed tier we'll see is actually
#Piexplode: pretty godly
#Piexplode: it has
#Piexplode: usable attacking stats on both ends of the spectrum
#Piexplode: and a huge variety of boosting moves
#Piexplode: e.g. a bulk up clone (called strengthen), a dragon dance clone (called soar), a swords dance clone (called war cry), a calm mind clone (called energy draw)
#Piexplode: as well as a good STAB combination to abuse it
#Piexplode: and a not useless grass resistance and
#Piexplode: a very helpful ghost immunity that lets it
#Piexplode: block cursed winds
#Piexplode: effectively BAM spinblocking
#Piexplode: on top of great speed, okay bulk, good STABs with coverage options, and a variety of boosting moves
#Piexplode: powerful and a little unpredictable I feel
#Piexplode: :)
#Piexplode: next
#Piexplode: 05 Norm ---- 140 057 056 080 105 012 450 Pandoze
#Piexplode: basically this is a mothafuckin special wall as well as a blocker of cursed winds
#Piexplode: it has okay special attack too
+RotomPoison: oh 1 question
#Piexplode: yea
#Piexplode: ? :)
+RotomPoison: what about recovery moves
#Piexplode: we have rest, wish, and some recover clones as well as slack off and roost
#Piexplode: and we have some other ones umm lemme get u the description of
#Piexplode: Absorb Matter and Shooting Stars
#Piexplode: Absorb Matter - Restores 30% of Max HP, Boosts Defense 1 Stage
#Piexplode: Shooting Stars - Heals 25% HP each turn for 4 turns.
#Piexplode: there's also a move that is effectively a recover that only works whilst you're asleep
#Piexplode: now back onto Pandoze
#Piexplode: as you can probably guess from the name it has something to do with sleeping
#Piexplode: well
#Piexplode: its movepool includes a move caled Hibernate
#Piexplode: which basically means
#Piexplode: you sleep for absolutely fuckin ages
#Piexplode: and then it has moves which only work whilst asleep
#Piexplode: including as I say a recover clone
#Piexplode: as well as
#Piexplode: a move that allows you to phaze whilst you're asleep
#Piexplode: a normal special stab move
#Piexplode: and also a powerful fighting special attack and dark type special attack
#Piexplode: it does also have access to a few mroe standard moves like
#Piexplode: Rest, Sleep Talk, Toxify (toxic clone), Slack Off
#Piexplode: but is generally designed to mostly function best whilst asleep
#Piexplode: ^.^ and onto the next pokemon
#Piexplode: 06 Rock Flyi 075 140 200 045 090 055 605 Apaflite
#Piexplode: I thinkt his is
#Piexplode: the highest BST mon
#Piexplode: basically it's an
#Piexplode: insane physical tank
#Piexplode: with abusable special bulk (75/90 is still great though)
#Piexplode: and fairly poor speed that makes it rely on said bulk
#Piexplode: as well as a nuclear base 140 attack stat
#Piexplode: it's a cool answer to normal/ground coverage
#Piexplode: but it does have a lot of exploitable weaknesses naturally
#Piexplode: and there are a couple of pokemon that happily wall it
#Piexplode: but it's an absolute powerhouse and a tank
#Piexplode: 07 Rock Grou 106 112 066 040 109 047 480 Dendurus
#Piexplode: this pokemon gets the ability that sets the Desert Terrain
#Piexplode: it's based on the hippocampus or something idr but it's named after Dendain which was a desert that whatever mythical creature it's named after came from
#Piexplode: as you can see it has
#Piexplode: reasonable specual bulk
#Piexplode: *special
#Piexplode: and usable physical bulk although it's by no means a great tank I reckon
#Piexplode: its attack power is okay too
#Piexplode: it has to make great use of its resistances to really be viable as well as its access to mud puddle
#Piexplode: fire and flying resistances as well as a poison resistance and electric immunity
#Piexplode: are all positive traits
#Piexplode: but the huge water, grass, ice, steel, ground, and fighting weakness are major setbacks
#Piexplode: in particular, grass and steel are the types of SpringTurn, whilst Ice is the type of the stealth rock clone
+RotomPoison: you made stealth rock better
#Piexplode: In short it acts as a glue to check very specific threats whilst also having access to desert and mud puddle
#Piexplode: you mean by making it ice type instead of rock type?
#Piexplode: arguably I guess you could say but whatever type it is it's gonna be influential and fuck some type or other over
+RotomPoison: not if you made it a bad type
#Piexplode: if it was poison for example then
#Piexplode: grass and fairy would be
#Piexplode: having a hard time of it
#Piexplode: either that or the move wouldn't be worth using most of the time lol
+RotomPoison: what relevant pokemon is hit 4x by poison
#Piexplode: whimsicott?
+RotomPoison: i guess
#Piexplode: lol if something hits no relevant pokemon then why would you use it in the first place?
#Piexplode: anyway it hits 4 types SE and 4 type nvfe
#Piexplode: so ground/grass/flying/dragon will have some issues and fire/water/ice/steel will benefit
#Piexplode: ice having some defensive bonus - not something you ever saw coming
#Piexplode: anyway if a pokemon really is suffering too much we always have
#Piexplode: the capacity to boost it a bit if really needs be to make it viable
#Piexplode: 08 Grou Dark 040 110 090 105 090 050 485 Bandirto
#Piexplode: okay this one was pInkmoth's one and
#Piexplode: I'm not totally sure how it works but
#Piexplode: it has mediocre bulk and an average defensive typing and poor speed but
#Piexplode: great attacking stats
#Piexplode: that's kind of all I have to say about it lol
#Piexplode: honestly, resisting the dark/poison combination is actually
#Piexplode: pretty neat tho
#Piexplode: given that one of the better mons we'll come across later abuses just that
#Piexplode: oh it also resists rock and is immune to psychic and electric
#Piexplode: so I guess it's something else that stuffs up Dendurus lol
#Piexplode: 10 Stee ---- 119 045 123 076 126 038 525
#Piexplode: this one's sort of a blanket wall with usable special attack and incredible bulk on all sides
#Piexplode: however its vanilla steel coverage leaves it the obvious 3 weaknesses
#Piexplode: in short, good but exploitable, and a super typical steel type
#Piexplode: 11 Fire ---- 070 065 070 045 140 055 445 Sinder
#Piexplode: this is a special wall
#Piexplode: we've already to an extent discussed
#Piexplode: how highly fucking awesome fire type is in BAM
#Piexplode: and it's another prime eample of that
#Piexplode: skyping my mate now
#Piexplode: lol
#Piexplode: I'll give u a few mins to recap what I wrote lol
+RotomPoison: all of them seem good except the last one
+RotomPoison: unless it at least gets some utility
+RotomPoison: or recover
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#Piexplode: yea it gets recovery
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#Piexplode: I haven't explained about it much yet lol
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#Piexplode: sorry this is
#Piexplode: a long skype call rofl
#Piexplode: my mate and his girlfriend
#Piexplode: from his uni
#Piexplode: yknow how it is
+RotomPoison: its ok im watching the end of this
#Piexplode: gonna be able to talk again whenever ur ready pretty much
+RotomPoison: ready
#Piexplode: awesome
#Piexplode: right okay so yea we were at Sinder
#Piexplode: essentially it's clearly designed to be
#Piexplode: a wall
#Piexplode: specially oriented with
#Piexplode: physical bulk that isn't dreadful but it's not going to
#Piexplode: eat up anything on that side that's not resisted
#Piexplode: and its attacking pwoer is unexceptional, even for a wall
#Piexplode: still, it takes neutral and resisted special attacks with ease and has a good selection of resistances with only a smaller number of weaknesses
#Piexplode: 13 Gras Norm 090 070 100 120 100 095 575 (springfest)
#Piexplode: the 3rd and so far last nomral typed pokemon
#Piexplode: sets Meadow
#Piexplode: good speed
#Piexplode: good bulk
#Piexplode: good special attack
#Piexplode: can abuse leaf turn
#Piexplode: not a particularly special pokemon, but got some nice traits without any spectacular weaknesses
#Piexplode: more or less your standard all-purpose special-attacking grass type
#Piexplode: 14 Ghos ---- 080 060 080 130 080 110 540 (Mirror Image)
#Piexplode: nb if it's in (brackets) then
#Piexplode: it's not the name but it's the pokemon's general theme/idea
#Piexplode: okay this is just a pretty straighforward, quick ghost type special attacker
#Piexplode: powerful without being overly frail, and has a good speed
#Piexplode: 15 Ghos ---- 160 112 068 039 093 052 524 Skulprit
#Piexplode: a bit of a weirder stat spread this one
#Piexplode: 160/68/94 defenses are
#Piexplode: incredible
#Piexplode: making good use of moves such as health sharing
#Piexplode: as well as having the option of Soul Snatch allowing it sometimes to change its typing advantageously
#Piexplode: furthermore whilst its speed and special attack are poor its attacking powerful is
#Piexplode: impressive enough
#Piexplode: 16 Psyc ---- 090 050 070 140 095 095 545 (Inception)
#Piexplode: fairly straightforward pokemon too
#Piexplode: special attacking psychic type
#Piexplode: probably one of the pokemon to gain the most out of health orbs in some respect since the teams that abuse health orbs the best are probably the ones most weak to it
#Piexplode: its bulk is average and its speed is fairly average for an offensive pokemon
#Piexplode: 18 Ice_ Fire 095 040 085 110 115 075 530
#Piexplode: A peculiar typing
#Piexplode: and an interesting stat spread on this one
#Piexplode: oh also I think we're going to have
#Piexplode: ice to additionally resist
#Piexplode: grass/water
#Piexplode: anyway either way this one
#Piexplode: whilst it has mediocre base 75 speed
#Piexplode: it has cool defenses of 95/85/110
#Piexplode: it has cool defenses of 95/85/115 *
#Piexplode: as well as base 110 special attack, it's well built to be a specially attacking tank
#Piexplode: glacier in particular would make it more viable to use
#Piexplode: however a 4x rock weakness as well as weaknesses to fighting, ground (and possibly water)
#Piexplode: it's certainly a pokemon with
#Piexplode: a mixture of
#Piexplode: great traits and
#Piexplode: flaws that require
#Piexplode: careful working around
#Piexplode: when teambuilding and playing
#Piexplode: 19 Ice_ Grou 087 099 113 054 102 068 513
#Piexplode: the mamoswine typing, it has an average base speed of 68 and average attack stat of base 99
#Piexplode: but its 87/113/102 bulk makes it stand out again as one of a fair few ice types with
#Piexplode: decent bulk
#Piexplode: The ice subtyping helps with ground's ice weakness (and if we have our way, water and grass impressively too - making it an awesome typing)
#Piexplode: however either way it still retains ice's weaknesses to
#Piexplode: fighting, steel, and fire
#Piexplode: (although rock is now neutral)
#Piexplode: in short I guess it's another tank, this time slightly more defensive, and another which is ice-typed
#Piexplode: 20 Pois Dark 060 125 057 100 057 101 500 Slimurk
#Piexplode: and I did say that
#Piexplode: poison/dark coverage
#Piexplode: was meaningful
#Piexplode: given that this also sets up
#Piexplode: Polluted Landscape
#Piexplode: as well as having what at first seems poor bulk
#Piexplode: of 60/57/57
#Piexplode: its ability remedies this somewhat
#Piexplode: whilst also having
#Piexplode: good base 101 speed
#Piexplode: and 125/100 mixed attacking stats
#Piexplode: all in all it's a bit of a heavyweight with its 2 stabs throwing around a lot of damage
#Piexplode: note that in BAM dark is not resisted by steel, but ghost is (that and ice's resistance changes are the ONLY changes to the typechart in BAM)
#Piexplode: and it also has a special attack called corrosive acid
#Piexplode: which is somewhat awesome as
#Piexplode: it's super effective on steel types
#Piexplode: and as you can imagine it finds that somewhat useful
#Piexplode: not an easy pokemon to wall but pokemon that can come in with enough ease on it earn themselves a teamslot almost just for that
#Piexplode: only being weak to ground is another plus for it
#Piexplode: making its typing strong both offensively and defensively
#Piexplode: ^^ what do you think of all these pokemon so far? Now that you've seen more you're getting an idea I guess of what the variation in power level is like, and how the stats are distributed
+RotomPoison: yeah
+RotomPoison: i really just want to be able to try them out
#Piexplode: yea we don't have that facility yet
#Piexplode: I know it's annoying but you can't exactly
#Piexplode: expect someone to happy to let you program in an nly
#Piexplode: partially completed game
#Piexplode: onto their server
#Piexplode: so it comes down to theorymon
#Piexplode: the project after we complete the competitive movepools but before we create new pokemon is just to
#Piexplode: myself and a few others
#Piexplode: to make competitive teams or at least attempt to
#Piexplode: using the currently available pokemon
+RotomPoison: but what are we up to right now
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#Piexplode: we currently have
#Piexplode: 20 of the 40 mons or something like that have complete competitive movepools
#Piexplode: so it won't be too long anyway before we reach that stage
+RotomPoison: so what could i help with right now
#Piexplode: weell right now if you want to
#Piexplode: I can assign you a few pokemon to
#Piexplode: assign complete movepools to
#Piexplode: if you want to wait until after that's done then u can be
#Piexplode: assigned to try and
#Piexplode: create a theorymonned team of
#Piexplode: a given archetype
#Piexplode: there's some archetypes which are current;ly available
#Piexplode: and you can choose which one you want to try out
+RotomPoison: ok
#Piexplode: or even if you think up an unlisted archetype you can try that out instead
+RotomPoison: where is a list of moves
#Piexplode: http://projectbam.proboards.com/thread/262/overview-descriptions
#Piexplode: the whole of that subforum contains the original threads, but that list is detailed enough that you don't really need to use any other threads anyway unless you really needed super specific details but yea basically that does all you need
#Piexplode: would you like me to assing a couple of pokemon for you to do the movepools for?
+RotomPoison: yeah but
#Piexplode: I'd just ask that you post them in the pokemon's thread (under the subform BAM Pokemon) and they just need to be listed under physical/special/status
+RotomPoison: why didnt you keep other moves like tailwind and gravity
+RotomPoison: ones that arent common but could be useful here
#Piexplode: because we wanted the project to be as fresh as possible
#Piexplode: we also have no trick room
#Piexplode: it is the plan that over the next couple of years we
#Piexplode: release more versions of this with
#Piexplode: added pokemon including legendaries and little ones
#Piexplode: but for now we want to see what the process is like for
#Piexplode: enough to produce 1 metagame
#Piexplode: in the later generations
#Piexplode: we would introduce new moves
#Piexplode: it could include moves stolen from gamefreak again and I'd fully expect that to happen
#Piexplode: especially if we branch out into doubles too then moves like helping hand, wide guard, icy wind, etc. would suddenly become a lot more important
+RotomPoison: you made a physical but not special hidden power
+RotomPoison: this still seems like a good list
#Piexplode: ;)
+RotomPoison: but why is spring 80 power
#Piexplode: just because it is
+RotomPoison: ok
+RotomPoison: ill try making some movepools
+RotomPoison: any rules for them?
+RotomPoison: like every pokemon needs a certain move or what cant be used because its a signature move
#Piexplode: the only signature move
#Piexplode: is Phoenix To Ashes for Simorgh
#Piexplode: it just has to like vaguely fit flavour wise
#Piexplode: and not make the mon ridiculously OP
+RotomPoison: what i mean is
#Piexplode: and it can't have absolutely every move
+RotomPoison: in regular pokemon almost every pokemon gets protect or hidden power
#Piexplode: oh yeah those kind of rules
#Piexplode: the moves that every mon gets pretty much is
#Piexplode: rest/sleep talk/toxify/shield (protect clone)
#Piexplode: concealed power is on most pokemon but some notably don't have it so don't worry if you want to disinclude it
#Piexplode: oh substitute is on
#Piexplode: pretty much every mon too
+RotomPoison: ok
#Piexplode: and also try and fit
#Piexplode: as many terrains as you can sorta thematically squeeze onto there
+RotomPoison: give me 1 to try