@xZesty ❤: keys is only doing like
@xZesty ❤: 50 max with play rough too
@xZesty ❤: so i guess
@xZesty ❤: tar is the only check
@xZesty ❤: lol
@Zenithial ❤: you can still t wave it
GalaxyDragon3: mimikyu
@xZesty ❤: nope
@xZesty ❤: cause
@xZesty ❤: dark type
@Zenithial ❤: oh
@Zenithial ❤: yea
@Zenithial ❤: L
@Zenithial ❤: sash scarf marsh gotta come to the rescue
@xZesty ❤: yeah lol
+thimo ❤: ttar
@xZesty ❤: and you can afford bulk on this thing
@xZesty ❤: because of the +2 speed
@xZesty ❤: you could even opt for focus blast if you are feeling super wild
@Zenithial ❤: could probs get away with hp fighting at +2
@Zenithial ❤: if you don't trust acc
@xZesty ❤: yh true
@xZesty ❤: you could fish for flinch on chans with pulse
@xZesty ❤: into Fb
@xZesty ❤: prolly
@Zenithial ❤: that would require a lot of luck
@xZesty ❤: i mean not entirely
@xZesty ❤: because they confide
@xZesty ❤: then have to recover
@xZesty ❤: so you get a few chances to flinch
@Zenithial ❤: yh ig
+thimo ❤: thing is
+thimo ❤: the thing is weak
+thimo ❤: wont ohko ekiller
+thimo ❤: from full
@xZesty ❤: cant you owing twice
@xZesty ❤: because you can invest some bulk
@xZesty ❤: not a ton
@xZesty ❤: but some
@Zenithial ❤: yh you don't need to ohko stuff
@Zenithial ❤: when you can't die
@xZesty ❤: so i doubt +2 kills from full
+thimo ❤: +2 252+ SpA Dark Aura Yveltal Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 328-387 (86 - 101.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
Lavaclaw: just owing twice
@xZesty ❤: i would prolly run like 272 speed
@xZesty ❤: for scarf ray
+thimo ❤: sd once and
+thimo ❤: arc ohkos
+thimo ❤: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Yveltal: 368-434 (93.6 - 110.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
Lavaclaw: no because owing puts you at full if you're not ridiculously low already and since you can afford to have less speed you live +2 espeed
Lavaclaw: you can have some def
+thimo ❤: every z move mon is tanky nough to just tank
@xZesty ❤: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 104 HP / 0 Def Yveltal: 368-434 (87.8 - 103.5%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
+thimo ❤: and ohko back w z movee
@xZesty ❤: i would take enough out of spa
@xZesty ❤: to guarantee live prolly
Lavaclaw: zesty you could run just 44 speed
Lavaclaw: to get modest scarf yve/xern
Lavaclaw: *timid
@xZesty ❤: you would want to outspeed
@xZesty ❤: scarf ray
Lavaclaw: you only need 271 speed for scarfray iirc
@xZesty ❤: yeah thats not timid
@xZesty ❤: just modest
@xZesty ❤: so yeah you could do timid
Lavaclaw: just invest completely in def
Lavaclaw: instead of hp
Lavaclaw: because you get the spdef boost anyway
Lavaclaw: +2 252+ Atk Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Yveltal: 255-300 (64.8 - 76.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
@xZesty ❤: i would say that yvel would be the next ag mon
Lavaclaw: oh wait that's not lo
@xZesty ❤: if it were to get geo
@xZesty ❤: or geo would be banned on it
@xZesty ❤: at least
Lavaclaw: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Arceus Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Yveltal: 331-390 (84.2 - 99.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO but you barely live
Lavaclaw: so everything is good
+thimo ❤: you act like it can setup without taking any damage
Lavaclaw: owing gets your health back
+thimo ❤: yve that is
Lavaclaw: 3/4 recovery and you're doing like 70% or more
@xZesty ❤: imagine geo xern + yvel in tandom
@xZesty ❤: lol
Lavaclaw: also popular z-move mons include necro, marsh, and ghostceus, all of which yveltal ohkos, and z-groundceus doesn't affect yve
Lavaclaw: while z-zyg can't live 2 dark pulses which it needs to do to TA + rage
Lavaclaw: zesty, everyone would start carrying dumb stuff
Lavaclaw: like occa berry mag
+thimo ❤: the thing is
+thimo ❤: yve doesnt learn geo
Lavaclaw: ik
+thimo ❤: this poll is dmb anyway
Lavaclaw: yes it is
Lavaclaw: but theorymonning is fun
+thimo ❤: not stuff thats nevr becoming real