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- Morning connected.
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- Morning (STEAM_0:0:9836299) connected from Denmark
- Achievements disabled: cheats turned on in this app session.
- niyhm fan #2! connected.
- niyhm fan #2! (STEAM_0:1:1585653) connected from Australia
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- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : heres how i wanted it to be
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : !s 3
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : wasn't watching sry
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : that gets u ~6 flat
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but they filtered this hole
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : so u need to go through it
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : to just force the intended route
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : for the stage
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : why
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : as u can see that route is much faster
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : idk
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : what was the reason
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : none
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ok so what was the reason
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : !hide
- 78E6FF[Surf Timer] - FFFFFFAll players are now being shown
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : just what people thought was better
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : on prosaic
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : same thing
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ok and you're ok with that?
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- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : yes
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : why
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : cause end of the day w.e. people want to play
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : is important
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : imo
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : we arent going full retard
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i disagree
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : like if someone says
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : turn a t6 map into a t3
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : theyll get laughed off
- [Surf Timer] - Australia - surf_lolrevlis (10/30) IP: 108.61.168.31
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i understand therapist
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're nitpicking my analogies again
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : isnt ur argument only really important
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if ppl start doing really stupid shit
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : or are u that against it
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yeh, like fixing prosaic s4 sc
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : a genuine expression of surf
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : a part of surf canon
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : deleted
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : for the pleasure of a slobbering mongoloid like habitat
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : a part that almost no one misses though
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : don't
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : giver
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : trofle has prob spent like 4 hrs trying that wrcp
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : a
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : shit
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : as well
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : my god
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : express ur argument better then if u really think i dont understand it
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : clearly u understand mine
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i do think you understand it actually
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm being hyperbolic
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : then why are u so offended that i dont agree with it
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : to point out that i don't think your counterargument has any weight
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : put it this way
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because therapist
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if the majority of ppl
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : agreed with u
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : id have no issue
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : with ur method being the one used
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're damaging something that you seemingly don't have any stake in
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're lessening the value
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i just want the server to be as good
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i know this is hard
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- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : as possible
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : for you to empathize with
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but this is a real concern for me
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : prosaic sc had value
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and you deleted it
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : for POOR reasons
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's a matter of principle
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : not real world example
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : of course no one gives a shit including me
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : why do u think its justified to place literally 0 value
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but you're still supporting a bad practice
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : on what people actually want to play
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ..................................................................
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : isnt that the crux of this?
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : not for me, no
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i think the votes are the most important thing
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : you think they matter not at all
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause i couldn't give less of a shit
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in this context
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the votes are great tool
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : for deciding on things that have no objective.... whatever
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : benchmarks
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if there are multiple solutions and it's subjective which is chosen
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you do a vote
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if one solution is based on arbitrary garbage
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : when we do the vote
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and another is literally just leaving somehting alone
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it should be a nobrainer
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : what to do
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : technically your entire argument is considered
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and a vote shouldn't even be remotyly considered
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and the people voting to remove
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : dont place value on it
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : lmfao do you not read
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : what i lterrally just typed out
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : who decides
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : what they place value on
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : to vote or not have a vote
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : then
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is a bag of trash
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ?!!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : who decides
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : subjective = vote
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : objective = no vote
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : fk im actually sitting here unable to express this
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : how fucking hard
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is it to understand
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : this is what i'm saying man
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you didn't base your shit on feeling and unfounded whims
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you wouldn't need to bother yourself with what to do
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : its no longer based on feelings
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : there is no dilemma
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : when u do a vote
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : just do the objectively correct thing
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : as far as im concerned
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : its no arbitrary decision made by one person
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : isn't that the opposite of your previous argument?
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no?
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's based on feeling and they wren't feeling mine
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : was the gist
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats the crux of my argument
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : that the people decide
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : themselves
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : every single person
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- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : has their own feelings yes
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : when they vote
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but the end decision
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : we will never agree
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : of the aggregate isnt based on feelings
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because you don't see the problem
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : because its a vote
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in culling real surf
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you are fine with deleting a legitimate thing
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're fine with dumbing down soemthing i see value in
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : for your own amusement
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : its u
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats not fine
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : with what majority of other ppl want
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : right you can put it thtat way as well
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but the majority of people
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : would make some questionable decisions i can almost guarantee
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if it isn't straight forward
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : he doesnt ask people
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : who have no idea about what is being asked
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i could ask every surfer i know
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : its people who have say a top10 or a top time on the stage in question
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : what do you enjoy more
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : s4 prosaic no sc or sc
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and 99% would say no sc
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but that doesn't mean it should be ruined forever
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : why not?
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if 99% of people are going to enjoy it more guaranteed
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because it's part of what surf is oh my god
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's literally ONLY becuase it's not straight forward
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if i asked the same people if they were fine with surf_me b3 skip they'd say yes
- [SM] Voting for next map has started.
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because in that case it's obvious
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that it should stay
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : they don't need ot think
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ok
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : dont u think
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : a vote
- [SM] The current map has been extended. (Received 100% of 1 votes)
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : removes the subjectiveness of it
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : like its not 1 person deciding
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : oh this is stupid it has to go
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no, have you lost your fucking marbles?
- [Surf Timer] - Veteran - surf_vegetables (8/40) IP: 70.42.74.194
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : oh i like this so it can stay
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if its majority vote for EACH thing
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- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : then i dont think its an issue
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : do you understand that it's manipulation
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i talked to kusche
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : his reaction was wtf that's so gay remove it
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i talked to him 2 minutes
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and without even fucking telling him my argument
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : he made it himself
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i might even still have the chatlog
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : should it even need much of an argument?
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : honestly
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : why cant people jsut make their own unbiased decisions
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and the aggregate of them gets used
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : oh i have 2 lines of it
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : rest was cut off
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : 10:02 - Kusché: some even enjoy10:02 - Kusché: those gay scs
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : have u ever read about wisdom of the crowd?
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i think its a little bit related
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : although im not sure how much stock
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i actually put into that
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : soundsl ike somehting that applies to complicated matters
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : nah
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : not solved matters
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : really simple
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- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ill link u the wiki on it i think ull like to have a skim of it
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ok i'm gonna go after this
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but i'm gonna restate this
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you have 2 sides of an argument
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and there can be no objectively better choice immediately
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : then you can go to a vote
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and it will be amazing
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause in a subjective setting
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you can just please the most people
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but if you have a situation
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : hwere one side is objectively right
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but the other side is much more fun
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you put it to a vote
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : !scout
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the WRONG thing
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is gonna win
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : give an example
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you made a vote to end all taxes
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ending all taxes would win
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and the state would be fucked
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and the fucking country would burn to the ground
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well thats an unfair example
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's hyperbole
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : cause ur giving only one side of it
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yhou know what i mean
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : yea
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : give an example in surf though
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i only have one
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : arguable two
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : now that you showed me this
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : although i don't hvae all the information
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : so yeah
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i only have one
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : fucking prosaic
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : sc
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : one side is objectively right
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the map is made in a way
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that allows for agay sc
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : that sc isnt intended
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ?????
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : dont even pretend
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : almost no sc in old maps
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : tetra placed that gap
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is intented
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're missing the point my a fucking mile
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you think i give a shit what the mapper intented
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the map exists
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in a way
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : can i ask u something else
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : another hypothetical
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : what if there was a map
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and it was just fucking AWFUL
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : like it was so bad
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : u wouldnt even consider adding it to ksf
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no one would ever play it
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but you could change one thing
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : similar to prosaic in scale
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and it would become awesome
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : everyone would love it
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- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : it would be the new sandman
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : would you just not add the map
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and not get that
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : or would you implement the change and add it
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : now you're being unfair
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : isnt it similar?
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because that's not what prosaic sc is
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but in that example i would for sure
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well i mean
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : suggest
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : to just fix the gay thing
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and have it added
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- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : you could say the map would be added as an awful map
- [SM] Voting for next map has started.
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : like any sane person
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : surf_y tier
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : of course
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and no one played it
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : or
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : you could improve it
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : to sandman tier
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : with the change
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes, therapist
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i would improve it
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but that changes nothing
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : doesnt that contradict ur argument
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i dont understand
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause that's not
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : hwat prosaic sc is
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : not for the whole map
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- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : sure
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- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but for the stage
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if prosaic was being considered for adding
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and we knew about the sc
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : fuck no
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : would i change it
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : sc route would be one of the bottom 5 stages on server
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i would say lmao this is sc is so gay
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but as it stands its like top 10%
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if not top 5%
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- [SM] niyhm fan #2!: Initiated a vote.
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : let's just stop
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you refuse to see my point
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you arguments are manipulative and self serving
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm fucking tired
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ..........
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- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but for the stage
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if prosaic was being considered for adding
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and we knew about the sc
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : fuck no
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : would i change it
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : sc route would be one of the bottom 5 stages on server
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i would say lmao this is sc is so gay
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but as it stands its like top 10%
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if not top 5%
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- [SM] niyhm fan #2!: Initiated a vote.
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : let's just stop
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you refuse to see my point
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you arguments are manipulative and self serving
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm fucking tired
- [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ..........
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i concede i'm terrible at arguing my point
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm arrogant
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and i use way too much heated language
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but i really do think you're incapable of empathizing here
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : idk
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you just don'
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : don't care
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : about what i care about
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and that makes this marring ok
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : to you
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : nad that just makes it impossible
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : even if i agreed with u
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if everyone else disagreed with us
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : would that make them wrong?
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no, and that's not waht i meant
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : what i meant is that the way you represent my argument of course people aren't gonna agree with me
- [Surf Timer] - Public - surf_spaceship_ksf (15/60) IP: 70.42.74.194
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but if they actually had the information
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i can almost guarantee
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you and hab
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : are p much alone
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i dont understand how im misrepresenting your argument
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : outside of a few exaggerated jokes
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're saying a majority agrees with you and that affirms your side of the argument
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm saying they're agreeing with a superficial idea
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but in reality they are reasonable people
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and will eventually reach the same conclusion as me
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if given any motivation to think
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : about it
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i mean
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i was never even asked about prosaic s4
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes i know
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : they came to a unanimous decision about that
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : how about when hab says
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : without anyone needing to be swayed
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ur acting as if we have swayed them away from reasonableness
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : he made "damn sure" sacred didn't fix pox tleehop
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : with our argument
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : does that not indicate in any way
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats just how hab talks
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that he had too much influence?
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no one even argued
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : for pox telehop removal
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : aussurf removed it
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and the map is utter trash
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : without it
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes, and the telehop is consistent as well
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : u have to surf below the white lines on the bottom of the ramps
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but u cant see the bottom of ramp wel
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i agree not to remove it
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i already wentover how
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : not trying to be argumentative here
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but that brings up an interesting point
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : when presented with and enjoyable bad decision and an unpleasant good decision
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : how do u decide what telehops to keep
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : people will always choose the enjoyable one
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : there are plenty of removed consistent ones
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i dont think thats true
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : telehops are just like bhops
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no one would vote for a nightmare bonus change
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's subjective
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause the only metric you CAN use when the telehop is consistent
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is how big of an impact the tediousness of it has
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : a tedium meter
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you will
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and that's subjective
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : isnt that also subjective
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ie. vote
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : vote
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : ya fucking ape
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : isnt prosaic tedious then
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no it's an sc
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : for christ
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : hmm
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ok
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : short cut
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that's why me and mike were saying
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : should me b3 skip be removed?
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if i had to do that it would take me 30 hours
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is that not tedious?
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's a fucking sc
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's why people surf
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : to do hard shit
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i think ur overestimating how people would vote
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : wether it be doing it fast
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : like
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : or doing something had
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : hard
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no one would vote for nightmare bonus to be changed
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : or any hard thing to be made easier
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : even if they cant do them
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well some ppl prob woul
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but definitely not a majority
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes and i wnet over thta as well man
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : becuase it's easy to think about
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : when you think about prosaic it's abstract
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause the gap is so narrow that it FEELS
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : inconsistent
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : when really it's skill based
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : say a guy attempted it one billion times
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and it was statistically inconsistent
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it would still be theoretically consistant
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that's why it's a matter of principle
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but people arent voting on that basis
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : liberation2 s3
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : is easy my way too
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : they aren't
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but they voted against it
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : its easier my way, in fact
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and that's why you keep objective decisions FAR away from the stupid people who would participate
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in a vote
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and whe ni say stupid people it's just heated language
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i mean just normal people
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : !scout
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : who can't be expected to know every detail
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and to think through every nuance
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you have to see how this is playing out man
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i trust that you do
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you can't really back your shit up
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : im going to say 2 things
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that doesn't mean you're wrong
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you're just basing your side on something else
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : 1 is that we do that by only asking people who are connected to it to mitigate that
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : like everyman logic
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i can totally see where youy're coming from
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ie. people who know about whats being asked
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and i'm not actually calling you retarded
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : just please
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and 2. is that our argument keeps returning to the value we place on the collective decision
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : nah that's just your argument m8
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats where we differ
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : my argument is that it's should not come to a collective decision
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause there is no chouce
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : choice
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : there is the status quo
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but in effect you're saying what they want isnt important
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and whati m saying is that its the only thing thats important
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : or an invasion of the integrity
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : of ksf
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the thing is we both agree on your side
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : how can we both agree
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : just because u dont have a vote doesnt mean those people dont have opinions
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : we both agree on everything as long as it's confined to engine level inconsistencies and similar situations
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's just that prosaic sc extended further than that
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and you don't care
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in my mind it crossed a very sharp well defined boundary
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : tbh
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that should never be crossed
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i dont even have problems
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : lest you fukcing ruin the server
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : with a lot of things that are removed
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats why imo the collective decision should be what matters
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : just because i dont really have issues with some things
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yeh whatevs
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : doesnt mean it should stay
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : look at this
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm sure you could find a group that would vote out prestrafing
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : !map surf_gurus
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : !replay
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : this sc
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : is utterly retarded
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : waht
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : u need to be low ping
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : s7?
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ye
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and it only even works on the left side (unless sacred removed tele on the right)
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yeh ping issues present a dilemma
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that's also why i'm ok with nobhop as a solution
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : the mapper himself clearly didnt want it in
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : imo it should be long gone
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but it was voted to stay
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : imo it should stay but it's borderline
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : even tho eclipse is removed
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because of the latency factor
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : so we could put it to a vote
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : m8
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if u look at it objectively
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : isnt eclipse
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause it's opinion based
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : subjective
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : less borderline than this?
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no boost
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : same thing, dodging a trigger
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes of course
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the boost is inconsistent
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : physically going past a thing
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : so youd be ok with this staying while eclipse is removed?
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : isn't engine level inconsistent
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : absolutely
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : like even the bot can barely do this
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but my opnion
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in this matter
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : doesn't matter
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : !scout
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the majority opinion does
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : casuse it's subjective m88888888888888888
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : please stop
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : aight
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i've explained it literally 20 times
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : nice these console logs will make good notes for my essay
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : rofl
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : make ksf great again
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i mean i still disagree with u
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i still think our argument boils down to value of collective opinion
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i don't
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : btw werent u part of the
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : remove maxvel
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : group
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i think that's throwing my argument in the trash
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but wahtever
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm not gonna go through it again
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : were u part of qrs
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and i can't say you don't understant
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : remove maxvel group
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : cause you throw hissy fits
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and call me arrogant
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i give up
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ah
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i don't think i was even around
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : could have sworn you were
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i never even heard of it
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : sounds gay
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i think you were on the list
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : sounds like clssic qr
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : he's like you but a million times worse
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no logic can sway him
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : when he cements an opinion
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : what do you think is the crux of our disagreement
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's literally unbearable
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if its not what i think it is
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : this is the essay part
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : it's nuanced
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i can't just say it
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the crux lies somewhere within the fact that you think salient sc is in the same realm as a bhop
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : in my mind
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i dont
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : they're separate
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i think its stupid as fuck
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : u mean that bhop i shwoed u?
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : stop
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : oh did u just mean prosaic
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : u said salient
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : oh
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yeah sorry
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : i'm fukcing tires
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : d
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : lol
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : im pretty sure i know the answer to this
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you understood my objective vs subjective spiel
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that's basically it
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : votes and collective opinion are great tools
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but you dont think that if the majority of the server understood both arguments
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but they should only be applied where there is a problem
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : and voted my way
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you fixed something that wasn't broke
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : it would be relevant
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : is what i'm saying
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : !hide
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : youd still see your way as correct
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : omg how have i not thought of that idiom until now
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yes i would
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : but i believe firmly
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that if the majority of the server understood both arguments
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : they wuold overwhelmingly agree with me
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : lol
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : because my side is based on reason
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : well i think literally the opposite
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : and yours on emotion
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : but i guess that is the crux of it then
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : emotion is removed when the result is based off a vote
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : at that point its a raw statistic
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that statement fucks my face like a fucking drill mounted dildo
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : the votes arent phrased in any way the encourages bias
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you think people are objective?
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : ?
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : do u actually not think
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : that the end vote
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : of a lot of subjective decisions
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : is not an objective one
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : let's go back to my slightly manipulative tax removal vote analogy
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : you REALLY thing
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats basic statistics
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- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that people would vote against paying no tax?
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if you just threw the vote at them out of nowhere?
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : if people understood the argument fully? as in our example here?
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : no ffs
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : if they understood
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : they would keep the tax
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : that's muy fucking piont
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : i just feel like when people vote
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : wtf is the map called
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : witht the sc
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : theyre subconsciously expressing the value they place on both arguments
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : prosaic
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : prosaic sc is the tax
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the fix is just bandaid
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : removing the tax
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : humans have had taxes for over a thousand years
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : destructive but it feels good
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : people didnt need to be educated to know taxes were good
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : yeh epic
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : wisdom of the crowd mate
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : back to nitpickville
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : no
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- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : the collective comes to the correct decision
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : m8
- *SPEC* [PRO] [niyhm fan #2!] : thats what i believe
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : the collective sucks my fat hairy penis
- *SPEC* [Veteran] Morning : good bye
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- 13:04 - niyhm fan #2!: m8
- 13:04 - niyhm fan #2!: im takin the other side
- 13:04 - niyhm fan #2!: lets get some unvarnished
- 13:05 - niyhm fan #2!: opinions
- 13:05 - Morning: i don't care
- 13:05 - Morning: any non idiot is gonna take my side
- 13:05 - Morning: no way you're gonna accurately represent my side
- 13:05 - niyhm fan #2!: i just expressed it in the context of stay vs not stay
- 13:07 - Morning: i was considering making a video about it
- 13:07 - Morning: i can crush your arguments to ash
- 13:07 - niyhm fan #2!: ur whole argument is just so ARROGANT
- 13:07 - Morning: ?
- 13:07 - Morning: i don't understand
- 13:07 - niyhm fan #2!: 9:05 PM - Morning: any non idiot is gonna take my side
- 13:07 - niyhm fan #2!: that
- 13:08 - niyhm fan #2!: uve said that a bunch
- 13:08 - niyhm fan #2!: and its jsut so arrogant
- 13:08 - niyhm fan #2!: cause vast majority want those scs gone
- 13:08 - Morning: have i not said a million times
- 13:08 - Morning: that i dopn't care
- 13:08 - Morning: what people want
- 13:08 - Morning: even hwat i want
- 13:08 - niyhm fan #2!: so ur basically saying the minorities opinion should be the only one that counts
- 13:08 - Morning: have i not stated this enough
- 13:08 - Morning: that you can stop pestering me with it
- 13:08 - niyhm fan #2!: thats arrogant as fk
- 13:08 - Morning: no
- 13:09 - niyhm fan #2!: "im right or ur an idiot"
- 13:09 - niyhm fan #2!: ill try to not bring it up m8
- 13:09 - niyhm fan #2!: no promises if i get a fresh opening though..
- 13:09 - Morning: i need to plan what i need to say
- 13:10 - Morning: i can't actually refute that without writing a fucking 2 page essay
- 13:10 - niyhm fan #2!: im pretty sure i fully agree with ur point about having clear rules and stuff
- 13:10 - Morning: take your argument of you don't want arbitrary rules
- 13:10 - niyhm fan #2!: but its not practically possible
- 13:10 - Morning: to govern what gets fixed
- 13:10 - Morning: my argument ment is EXACTLY that
- 13:10 - Morning: i don't want arbitrary shit
- 13:10 - Morning: i want sound reasoning
- 13:10 - Morning: to be the motivator for fixes
- 13:11 - niyhm fan #2!: at least not in a way that doesnt just make a lot of shit really boring to play
- 13:11 - Morning: a fun-meter
- 13:11 - Morning: decided by god knows who
- 13:11 - niyhm fan #2!: its not a fun-meter though
- 13:11 - Morning: is the only arbitrary rule
- 13:11 - Morning: anyone is proposing
- 13:11 - niyhm fan #2!: like u have no idea how many things ive opposed
- 13:11 - niyhm fan #2!: but he asks everyone
- 13:11 - niyhm fan #2!: and goes with the majority
- 13:11 - Morning: if you were to think about it my way
- 13:11 - Morning: you wouldn't EVER
- 13:11 - Morning: have to think ofr a fucking millisecond
- 13:11 - Morning: wether something needs fixing or not
- 13:12 - niyhm fan #2!: yea
- 13:12 - niyhm fan #2!: but whats the result?
- 13:12 - niyhm fan #2!: we have s4 sc on prosaic
- 13:12 - niyhm fan #2!: and NO ONE plays the stage
- 13:12 - Morning: the result is all the gay shit fixed and we don't dumb down the only fucking surf server worth shit
- 13:12 - niyhm fan #2!: that wrcp has been battled at least like 5 rotations by multiple ppl
- 13:12 - Morning: ur a spec shitter you clearly have no idea what i mean by that
- 13:12 - niyhm fan #2!: if sc stays no one does that
- 13:12 - Morning: ???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+???????????????????+
- 13:13 - Morning: does 10000 people battle nm bonus?
- 13:13 - Morning: no
- 13:13 - Morning: crash fort grinds it
- 13:13 - niyhm fan #2!: skyline
- 13:13 - Morning: that's what nm bonus is
- 13:13 - Morning: yeh
- 13:13 - niyhm fan #2!: skyline
- 13:13 - niyhm fan #2!: soap
- 13:13 - Morning: like 10 people
- 13:13 - Morning: knows
- 13:13 - niyhm fan #2!: yeh
- 13:13 - Morning: how to do that shit
- 13:13 - Morning: consistently
- 13:13 - Morning: does that mean it needs to be FIXED?
- 13:13 - Morning: yes no
- 13:13 - Morning: immediatelly
- 13:13 - niyhm fan #2!: no
- 13:13 - Morning: ok
- 13:13 - Morning: tyhen why prosaic s4
- 13:13 - Morning: sound reasoning
- 13:13 - Morning: no bs
- 13:13 - Morning: PLEASE
- 13:14 - niyhm fan #2!: in both cases
- 13:14 - niyhm fan #2!: i would just say majority of what good surfers want
- 13:14 - niyhm fan #2!: 90+% of surfers would say leave nm bonus as is
- 13:14 - niyhm fan #2!: and same for remove prosaic sc
- 13:14 - Morning: do you realize that you're str8 up lying
- 13:14 - Morning: cause if you just ask an idiot
- 13:14 - Morning: do you like prosaic s4 sc?
- 13:14 - Morning: he's gonna say no
- 13:14 - Morning: that doesn't mean that he actually wants it removed
- 13:15 - Morning: he doesn't understand
- 13:15 - Morning: what that entails
- 13:15 - niyhm fan #2!: no sacred literally asks
- 13:15 - Morning: just like you don't
- 13:15 - Morning: and hab doesn't
- 13:15 - niyhm fan #2!: should it stay or be removed
- 13:15 - Morning: yes and fuckers who can't handle abstract thoughts
- 13:15 - Morning: like habitat
- 13:15 - Morning: spurts their retardation
- 13:15 - Morning: and he acts on it
- 13:15 - Morning: because hab is good
- 13:16 - niyhm fan #2!: but why should it stay if almost no one wants it
- 13:16 - Morning: because
- 13:16 - Morning: it's fucking surf
- 13:16 - niyhm fan #2!: like yeah its how the map is
- 13:16 - Morning: it's not your personal fun barn
- 13:16 - niyhm fan #2!: but no1s going to play it anyway
- 13:16 - Morning: to have your fun and be delighted
- 13:16 - Morning: it's competetive surfing
- 13:17 - Morning: do you understand why a person sees value in a wr
- 13:17 - Morning: why theres a feeling of accomplishment
- 13:17 - Morning: why is that invalid
- 13:17 - niyhm fan #2!: do u understand why despite all the map changes
- 13:17 - Morning: because you don't think it's "fun"
- 13:17 - niyhm fan #2!: people still see ksf wrs as the ones that matter
- 13:17 - niyhm fan #2!: compared to random csgo servers with telehops and shit?
- 13:17 - Morning: yes
- 13:17 - Morning: because shit got done
- 13:17 - Morning: i get it therapist
- 13:17 - niyhm fan #2!: those are the natural way the maps are
- 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: it doesnt matter what the changes are
- 13:17 - Morning: but there's a crystal clear distinction
- 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: ppl see a good wr as jsut as valuable
- 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: in fact ppl respect a solid as FUCK wrcp like prosaic 4 is now
- 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: much more than a wrcp where only 3 ppl did the route
- 13:18 - Morning: the root of this problem is that you don't give a fuck about the exact thing
- 13:18 - Morning: that i care about
- 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: and no one did it good but no1 can be fucked pulping it out
- 13:18 - Morning: you ridicule my integrity argument
- 13:18 - Morning: event hough it's my main motivator
- 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: i dont ridicule it
- 13:18 - Morning: in this argument
- 13:18 - niyhm fan #2!: i just dont see why the result
- 13:19 - niyhm fan #2!: is more valuable
- 13:18 - Morning: i can't deal with that
- 13:19 - niyhm fan #2!: than the result of more people wanting to play it
- 13:19 - niyhm fan #2!: and i ridicule the fact that u just straight up say "because i think so and anyone who doesnt think so is an idiot"
- 13:19 - niyhm fan #2!: both arguments are valid
- 13:19 - niyhm fan #2!: imo
- 13:20 - niyhm fan #2!: logically both arguments have sound reasoning
- 13:20 - niyhm fan #2!: imo
- 13:20 - niyhm fan #2!: so it should just be what system majority of people want
- 13:20 - Morning: that's not exactly what i was referring to
- 13:20 - Morning: when i was talking about sound reasoning
- 13:20 - niyhm fan #2!: yeh
- 13:20 - niyhm fan #2!: u got hung up
- 13:20 - niyhm fan #2!: on the fun-o-meter
- 13:20 - Morning: i was referring to a scenario where someone was approaching someone like sacred
- 13:21 - Morning: with a suggestion for a change
- 13:21 - niyhm fan #2!: but its not like we quantify fun or something
- 13:21 - niyhm fan #2!: we vote
- 13:21 - Morning: they should be able to give a simple and clear reason
- 13:21 - Morning: not arbirtrary shit
- 13:21 - niyhm fan #2!: did u see the liberation2 changes?
- 13:21 - Morning: a vote where people don't have all the information
- 13:21 - Morning: nop
- 13:21 - niyhm fan #2!: i disagreed with s3 and s7 on that
- 13:21 - Morning: i will bet you so much money
- 13:21 - niyhm fan #2!: the other ppl voted them in
- 13:21 - Morning: that those examples are just as shit as presmon
- 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: and i have no issues with that
- 13:22 - Morning: just as trivial
- 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: ?
- 13:22 - Morning: and completely unrelated
- 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: s7
- 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: ill link u
- 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6otHpztYRm4
- 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: look at stage 7
- 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: in that vid
- 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: not the telehop
- 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: the bhop
- 13:22 - niyhm fan #2!: no matter who u are
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: that bhop is much more consistent
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: than surfing that ramp
- 13:23 - Morning: please i'm gonna fuckin gdie
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: NO ONE can surf that ramp consistently well
- 13:23 - Morning: therapist
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: ?
- 13:23 - Morning: a bhop
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: look at it
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: its a flat bhop
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: with autobhop
- 13:23 - Morning: is inconsistent at an ENGINE level
- 13:23 - Morning: you fucking ape
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: ?
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: autobhop
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: it had auto bhop on it
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: its a flat bhop
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: thats consistent
- 13:23 - Morning: there are two ways
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: it wasnt removed
- 13:23 - Morning: to fix a bhop
- 13:23 - Morning: auto
- 13:23 - Morning: or nobhop
- 13:23 - niyhm fan #2!: on the basis of consistency
- 13:23 - Morning: either is fine
- 13:24 - niyhm fan #2!: it already had auto
- 13:24 - Morning: vote in that case is completely warranted
- 13:24 - Morning: and is the optimal solution
- 13:24 - niyhm fan #2!: it already had auto
- 13:24 - Morning: this is just as trah
- 13:24 - Morning: trash
- 13:24 - Morning: as presmon
- 13:24 - Morning: completely different
- 13:24 - Morning: scenario
- 13:24 - Morning: and you're just proving
- 13:24 - Morning: that you have 0 understanding
- 13:24 - Morning: of what i'm actually saying
- 13:24 - niyhm fan #2!: no i just cant think
- 13:24 - niyhm fan #2!: of another example
- 13:25 - niyhm fan #2!: where ive disagreed
- 13:25 - Morning: right it's singular
- 13:25 - Morning: as far as i can see prosaic s4 is singular
- 13:25 - niyhm fan #2!: no way
- 13:25 - Morning: but it's indicative
- 13:25 - niyhm fan #2!: lemme look at !changes
- 13:25 - Morning: obv
- 13:25 - Morning: ok therapist obv it's not gonna be singular in ur head if you think a fuckin gbhop sc
- 13:25 - Morning: is equal
- 13:25 - niyhm fan #2!: ill try find
- 13:25 - Morning: please do
- 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: somethign that isnt a bhop sc
- 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: oh
- 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: liberation2
- 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: s3
- 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: works
- 13:26 - Morning: i will be just as mad
- 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: not the bhop route
- 13:26 - Morning: if you actually find real examples
- 13:26 - niyhm fan #2! is now playing Counter-Strike: Source. Click here to join.
- 13:26 - niyhm fan #2!: come
- 13:46 - niyhm fan #2!: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd
- 13:47 - niyhm fan #2!: the classic example there is pretty damn amazing
- 13:47 - niyhm fan #2!: nto sure how well it applies to surf here
- 13:47 - niyhm fan #2!: i learnt of this long after we made all these changes
- 13:47 - niyhm fan #2!: but i find it somewhat relevant
- 14:34 - Morning: we spent another 2 hours
- 14:34 - Morning: maybe not
- 14:34 - niyhm fan #2!: jesus
- 14:34 - niyhm fan #2!: an hour and a half
- 14:34 - Morning: maybelike 90 min
- 14:34 - Morning: yeh
- 14:34 - Morning: epic
- 14:35 - Morning: i save the logs
- 14:35 - Morning: they will be so fucking funny
- 14:35 - Morning: in a year
- 14:35 - niyhm fan #2!: lol
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