Kriss Bullshit

18:03	Gregzilla1	This is about that topic I assume.
18:04	Kriss	Actually it's more about you going behind my back and convincing people not to be in the topic.
18:04	Gregzilla1	What I did was talk to them.
18:04	Gregzilla1	You didn't explain the topic to them.
18:04	Kriss	And gave them false information.
18:04	Gregzilla1	Until I did and you had to explain again.
18:04	Kriss	And it wasn't in your right to even tell them what the topic was about.
18:04	Gregzilla1	No, I gave them information I had that was, to my knowledge, right.
18:05	Gregzilla1	Why should they go into a topic that they don't understand?
18:05	Kriss	That's up to me to tell them, not you.
18:05	Gregzilla1	All you said, according to Marc, is "this is a topic about Inuyasha."
18:05	Kriss	So what? You're not in the topic anymore.
18:05	Kriss	It doesn't affect you who I invite and what I tell them.
18:06	Kriss	They didn't have to know because what I'm going to do isn't going to make them feel like they're out of the thread.
18:06	Gregzilla1	The point is that you disassemble a topic, redo it when we came to a conclusion that you shouldn't and you agreed, and then reassemble it, BETTER, without asking the original people if they wanted in. The people with characters who have any relation to the characters.
18:07	Kriss	They don't have any relations to the other characters.
18:07	Gregzilla1	You don't have someone meet everyone in a thread where they're changing major parts of themselves.
18:07	Gregzilla1	Yes they do.
18:07	Kriss	We agreed that whatever happened in the original didn't count any more.
18:07	Gregzilla1	We also agreed that you were doing a scrap. Did you forget that?
18:07	Kriss	Therefore, nothing happened.
18:07	Gregzilla1	Apparently things that we agreed on don't matter.
18:07	Kriss	Why does it matter what I do with this topic?
18:08	Kriss	A scrap is suppose to be for something that doesn't really matter or something that might be interesting.
18:08	Gregzilla1	Because you do this repeatedly. We come to a conclusion and then you redo it so that the conclusion meant NOTHING.
18:08	Kriss	Not some major plot point which no one gets to have a say in.
18:08	Kriss	We agreed before hand that what we did meant nothing.
18:09	Gregzilla1	And no, that is not what a scrap is for. There is also room for one where the ONLY people getting development are one person's characters.
18:09	Kriss	That's not how I see a scrap. This is suppose to be an RP forum.
18:09	Gregzilla1	We also agreed that you were doing this yourself. Again, "agreement" means nothing anymore because you change on a dime.
18:09	Gregzilla1	Things change.
18:09	Gregzilla1	It IS an RP forum.
18:09	Kriss	Why can't I change my mind?
18:09	Kriss	If things change then why can't I change that?
18:10	Gregzilla1	It's an RP forum, but is it fair to include people in something that ONLY includes your own characters and you are shoehorning others into? That's how it was and it's why Adri and I quit.
18:10	Kriss	That isn't how it is any more.
18:10	Kriss	And you just said that you left, so that means that what I do in this thread doesn't concern your characters.
18:11	Gregzilla1	I left because of the format. If you had redone it and asked us again, maybe it would be different.
18:11	Gregzilla1	Maybe.
18:11	Kriss	I told you that it would be different.
18:11	Gregzilla1	But not like this. You still said everyone had to be in different fights.
18:11	Gregzilla1	THAT changed.
18:11	Kriss	I never said that.
18:12	Gregzilla1	You did.
18:12	Kriss	I said that for getting their own powers, but not in any fight before that.
18:12	Gregzilla1	You said that everyone was going into a different bottle and doing a fight on their own.
18:12	Kriss	That's how it works. Is it any different than fighting on their own in Jade Empire?
18:13	Gregzilla1	That at least had interaction.
18:13	Gregzilla1	They COULD interact and see each other's fights.
18:13	Gregzilla1	And Jade Empire wasn't ALL the fight.
18:13	Gregzilla1	From what you told us, this was.
18:13	Kriss	Neither is this thread.
18:13	Gregzilla1	We had no indication of that. Whatsoever.
18:14	Kriss	Fine, now you know.
18:14	Kriss	Do you want to come back?
18:15	Gregzilla1	I'll talk with Adri about it.
18:15	Gregzilla1	When she gets back on.
18:16	Kriss	So I'll take that as a no.
18:16	Gregzilla1	"I need to talk to her" ≠ "No"
18:16	Kriss	I doubt she'll want to come back no matter what and you'll do whatever she does.
18:18	Kriss	And it still doesn't change the fact that you back-stabbed me.
18:18	Gregzilla1	I'm sorry, are you saying I'm just following everyone's lead?
18:19	Gregzilla1	And does that change how you've done the same to me more than once? Is backstabbing a one-sided thing that doesn't allow anyone to reciprocate?
18:19	Kriss	When have I back-stabbed you?
18:19	Kriss	And two wrongs don't make a right.
18:21	Gregzilla1	Do you want me to count? Going back to 2009 and all? The amount of times you talked behind my back?
18:21	Kriss	Which I admitted to and apologized for.
18:22	Kriss	I thought we dealt with that, I'm sorry if I was wrong in assuming so.
18:22	Gregzilla1	You still DID it. You can't say that ti doesn't work both ways.
18:22	Gregzilla1	When I see a problem, I explain to people.
18:22	Kriss	Which is what I'm doing with you.
18:22	Gregzilla1	IF they want to deal with it, they will.
18:23	Gregzilla1	Hence why I would tell Marc and Shine.
18:23	Kriss	Which, again, you had no right to do.
18:23	Gregzilla1	Because evidently you hadn't and they deserved to know what the original plan of.
18:23	Gregzilla1	If it changed, fine.
18:23	Kriss	I was going to tell them and the plan had changed.
18:23	Gregzilla1	You tell them BEFORE they agree.
18:23	Kriss	Why should I tell you when you said that you don't want anything to do with it?
18:24	Kriss	Again, that's was my responsibility to do.
18:24	Kriss	It didn't affect you.
18:24	Gregzilla1	Because we didn't want anything to do with it BECAUSE of how it originally was.
18:24	Gregzilla1	Again, don't tell me I'm a goddamn yes man.
18:24	Gregzilla1	I talk WITH Adri. I don't just listen to everything.
18:24	Kriss	That's what you want me to be.
18:24	Kriss	That's why I agreed in the first place.
18:25	Gregzilla1	I'm showing this to Adri. I'm not dealing with this shit alone.
18:25	Kriss	You guys did not express any interest in any ideas I had to improve the plot, so why would I tell you anything.
18:25	Gregzilla1	We DID express interest and we HAD come up with a solution TOGETHER.
18:26	Kriss	You left, that's a pretty good indication that you don't care about a thread anymore.
18:26	Kriss	I tried to bring up a solution of just restarting it, but you guys didn't care. Said it was a bad idea.
18:26	Gregzilla1	We said that because we thought that it was best to just go through what there was.
18:27	Gregzilla1	Since we had already started.
18:27	Kriss	I'm sorry if it wasn't clear to ME that you guys still had interest.
18:27	Gregzilla1	We're interested in character development as long as it's allowed on all fronts.
18:27	Gregzilla1	Not just one person.
18:28	Kriss	Which I told you I would add, but that still didn't convince you.
18:28	Gregzilla1	For the third time, I'll talk to Adri.
18:28	Gregzilla1	But now I'm going to ALSO show her this conversation so she knows what she's dealing with.
18:28	Kriss	Go ahead, I don't care.
18:29	Kriss	I want her to know what is going on.