Arno convo

[59th] Arno: The thread was locked and Scandy specifically said, not to post on it again. Why post on it?
[59th] Arno: I have no problem with Joe seeing the conversation
[59th] Arno: Seems odd though that you would disregard what Scandy says however
SacLamb: I told scandy before I made the comment
SacLamb: so yee
SacLamb: Its logs
[59th] Arno: And Scandy said
[59th] Arno: yes?
SacLamb: so joe doesnt have to dig him up itself
SacLamb: You can see I didnt reply to any of your comments
SacLamb: on the thread
SacLamb: which I wanted to
[59th] Arno: That doesnt matter
[59th] Arno: Feel free to comeent
[59th] Arno: its why it is there
SacLamb: No the point is
SacLamb: the thread is lock to prevent further arguments from the previous day as it was getting off topic
SacLamb: the logs etc. are pretty necessary for joe to make an informed decision
[59th] Arno: I'm well aware
SacLamb: I dont have anything against you personally, I stated before I think you re a pretty reasonable guy
[59th] Arno: Out of curosity however
[59th] Arno: I would like your opinion on something
SacLamb: but what happens on the server / is said etc. must be told to joe
SacLamb: ofc
[59th] Arno: I had a look at meme-sieges application
[59th] Arno: The criticism of my application
[59th] Arno: seems to parallel the mistakes of him similiarly
[59th] Arno: with the sarcasm etc
[59th] Arno: Yet it wasnt taken to heart
[59th] Arno: You know they better than I
SacLamb: we dont mind the sarcasm so much, its the whole '59th will get me this or that' that gets on peoples nerves I think
SacLamb: it was never clear to us you were joking
SacLamb: and it probably never will be known if you were or not
[59th] Arno: How? lol
SacLamb: but you know we ve had people who said those things unironically to us before
SacLamb: stuff like 'I ll get 59th to add me anyways'
[59th] Arno: People scared of a 59th coup
SacLamb: and they were dead serious about it
SacLamb: its not a coup thats the issue
SacLamb: no way do I think you want to coup us
SacLamb: its the whole, getting admin through a different process that gets on peoples nerves
SacLamb: before you app was even posted, wookie had already been given admin, and the 3 of you ofc had been added to admin on discord
SacLamb: wookie never applied nor was active on the server much beforehand
SacLamb: it looked to a lot of people like different standards were being applied to the 3 due to their 59th ties
SacLamb: which I hope you can understand wouldnt sit right with a lot of them
SacLamb: and with me as well
[59th] Arno: Yes, however i've still noticed a general dislike among some of the admins
[59th] Arno: Scandy as also touched on this
[59th] Arno: has*
[59th] Arno: towards 59th
[59th] Arno: *
SacLamb: That I would expect is mostly due to your convo with them on friday
SacLamb: where you essentially had a go at them for doing something thats allowed
SacLamb: ofc you can disagree with whether or not it was allowed
SacLamb: but saying stuff like 'back then you d be remove for this etc'
SacLamb: makes you look very arrogant. The same goes with the convo with dim
SacLamb: saying you were an admin when you re not, that you got added for the campaign etc.
[59th] Arno: Still very counterintuitive to the admin application process, to be bias towards someone, based on different views
SacLamb: we have 59th admins btw already and they re all well liked and people get on with them
[59th] Arno: and knit picking at an application
SacLamb: They re commenting essentially on your past behavior in recent days
SacLamb: imagine if you were admin and someone from the say, 63e came on
SacLamb: and started saying how you guys were rubbish admins, how they did things better,
SacLamb: then you find out one of them have been added to admin using a 63e connection
SacLamb: it wouldnt sit right
[59th] Arno: Yes I understand, however taking things personally and hindering the application process still seems flawed.
[59th] Arno: As someone who is well connected to alot of the M&B modding community etc and on other servers, stuff like this wouldn't last.
[59th] Arno: So lets just leave it at a difference in opinion
[59th] Arno: Note: *What i've said there... not saying it won't last - I do believe it will last, however seems counterintuitive
[59th] Arno: From my application, I only hope that people see it from a different perspective
[59th] Arno: and not be tunnel visioned, from one brief argument
SacLamb: I will accept that  how they worded their opinions were perhaps a bit too hostile
SacLamb: however they are trying to state what they ve seen from you so joe can make an informed decision
SacLamb: I will also accept that perhaps, some bad experiences in the past with some 59th claiming to use their connection or that they re better than them because they re in the 59th has made them very wary of this happening again
SacLamb: and it shouldnt be on you to answer to that
SacLamb: however, some of the things you did, did seem like using your connections etc. which is why it flared up
SacLamb: nobody ever brings it up with gio for example
[59th] Arno: Not sure if Scandy informed you of this either - Spoke to Pew, all cleared up. It was confusion over 59th recruitment admins being added, while others thought it was regular admins. It's all binned now and will be handled via app because 59th recruitment admins on NRP can't even slay or do anything beyond actually advertise 59th
unless they become full admin
[59th] Arno: just seen this a few minutes ago
SacLamb: yes the problem came perhaps from pew himself saying publicly to add you guys as admin, and hearing the same on the server from comments you made
SacLamb: altho perhaps it was a misunderstanding
[59th] Arno: Yes well, I wasn't aware of how sensitive people have become to it and I will admit I over stepped
SacLamb: thank you honestly for saying that. I did feel perhaps we went a bit far in your criticism as well, regardless of whatever happened, it as never doubted that you do care about the server
SacLamb: Ive heard and seen myself that you were a good admin back then