18<Moby18> He won't address it
18<Moby18> He does circule victim logic
18<Moby18> He's always the one being oppressed
18<Zakken18> I'm not afraid of whatever parroting is going on right now
18<Moby18> Remember he blamed me for everything that happened to him
18<Moby18> Everything
18<Razgriz--18> i will blame you too if he doesn't run tendency ctf again
18<Moby18> Lol
18<IvanDobrovski18> LOL
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18<Decay18> you are afraid
18<Decay18> you have no substantial backing or logic
18<Decay18> so instead "huehue you guys are raiding"
18<Moby18> he hasn't had it for two threads.
18<Moby18> His whole replies are "no u"
18<Decay18> attack the argument
18<Decay18> not the people
18<Zakken18> you should listen to your own advice
18<Moby18> Check out this gem right here
18<Moby18> "The 27 warnings and Kirboy memes are incredibly dated and more importantly, they absolutely don't reflect on the current state of affairs. On the other hand, your being a pathologically inconsequential narcissist has dragged on to the current days and is still being a pain in the neck of those of us trying to have civil discussion."
18<Moby18> I was in that thread before he was.
18<Moby18> Rofl
18<Decay18> i just gave you 5 lines of argument
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18<Moby18> Having a nice discussion with Mifu and Doomkid
18<Moby18> I never even got to tell Mifu I'm sorry for thinking he was addressing me
18<Decay18> zakken sure has done A LOT to help the community lately hasn't he
18<Moby18> you know.. civil discussion
18<Dynamo18> Zakken you should listen to the advice of someone who is completely uninvolved with any of this: go outside, go play doom, do something that doesn't involve getting into arguments with people on threads for no reason
18<Decay18> look at all the servers he gets going
18<Dynamo18> what do you possibly gain from this, objectively speaking
18<Moby18> Nothing
18<Moby18> He wants attention
18<Decay18> look at all the new people he plays with
18<Decay18> look at the revitalizing projects he runs
18<Dynamo18> if it's a retaliation over something that has happened in the past - it's not exactly working out
18<Dynamo18> if it's attention - this is not the attention you should be seeking
18<Razgriz--18> im looking for the august 2017 tendency signups topic can anyone direct me to it
18<Dynamo18> so yeah
18<Dynamo18> just go get a cup of tea or something really
18<Moby18> The guy gets kicked out of WDL for quitting the fuck he knows about contributing, but he has the nerve to talk about my clan and myself rofl in two threads
18<Decay18> face it zakken you never gave a shit about the community until last month
18<Dynamo18> none of this is worth it and it can't possibly be any healthy for you
18<Dynamo18> this is my advice
18<Dynamo18> take it or leave it I guess
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18<Moby18> My clan who actually contributes with MXU in the competitive scene we say is dead rofl
18<Decay18> the people who actually TRIED to help the community and succeeded in doing so, are either banned, were banned, or marginalized because a few upset kiddos were easily offended by simple demeanor
18<Moby18> Where is Zakken's wads?
18<Moby18> I don't see a ShiteatingDM mappack
18<Moby18> Not even going to insult you on that. You haven't made anything
18<Moby18> You don't do anythihng
18<Decay18> just toss league teams
18<Decay18> and then beg to get back in
18<Decay18> go back to odamex
18<Razgriz--18> ok i think zakken had enough hes only 21 he shouldn't be internet bullied this way, take it to another channel or another topic on the forums
18<TheToxicAvenger18> How about you take this shit elsewhere or I'm kicking all of you out
22* 26Razgriz-- sets mode 24+m on 22#zastaff
18<TheToxicAvenger18> Every single fucking one of you
18<Razgriz--18> i still need tendency signups
18<Razgriz--18> i cannot find this topic
18<TheToxicAvenger18> Y'all spend so much time arguing and claiming the community is dead and none of that playing. Maybe y'all should get on that
18<Razgriz--18> i made a map for progduel today
18<Razgriz--18> im doing my part as professional content creator
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18<Razgriz--18> hello guys welcome to wdl radio
18<Razgriz--18> oh wait that's dead too..
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18<Moby18> WDL is having another season I think
18<Moby18> next month
18<Moby18> I don't know if it will happen
18<Moby18> but I think they had a 2017 winter season
18<ArgentAgent18> Yeah esp. after capo's chickenshit bullshit
18<Moby18> Capo didn't kill it
18<ArgentAgent18> yeah but definitely ruined the season for some people
18<Moby18> Oh shit Street Fighter EVO
18<Moby18> nax
18<Moby18> https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8344&p=107449#p107450
18<Moby18> ROFL
18<LinkBot18> [ Is the Zandro Community dying? - Zandronum ]
18<TheToxicAvenger18> Sounds about right
18<Zakken18> that's a good post
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18<Razgriz--18> yea it doesn't have all of souls nonsense in it, where is the like system?? oh wait.....
18<nax18> actually i dont think anyone actually said capo but i just wanted to meme capo
18<nax18> because i felt like capo was being left out
18<Razgriz--18> that's bad publicity, he doesn't deserve to be named
18<nax18> poor capo did nothing wrong
18<Razgriz--18> not outright
18<Zakken18> Capo will awaken from his slumber and DDOS a poor soul again, now that he's been summoned
18<MiFU18> yea lets not say capo 3 times
18<MiFU18> anyways
18<nax18> i heard capo went off to live with monks and now hand feeds injured hercules beetles back to health
18<MiFU18> im not impressed with the "lovely" work of that thread
18<IvanDobrovski18> I like nax's post
18<MiFU18> i could of sworn, i wrote somewhere to lay off the personal attacks
18<Moby18> You did.
18<MiFU18> cool
18<MiFU18> soooo
18<MiFU18> why... did we continue
18<MiFU18> i get the fact you and Zakken aint really friends now
18<MiFU18> but cant we just have one debate where we are not shitting on eachother
18<MiFU18> especially for the shit we done in the past?
18<Moby18> Apparently not.
18<Zakken18> That'd be wonderful
18<MiFU18> right
18<unmute_oppression18> no because everything is built on the past
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18<Decay18> that's simply how it is
18<Razgriz--18> oh that's who you were lmao
18<MiFU18> the community is dying because we move on as mobius said
18<MiFU18> we all have some form of job that keeps us from playing
18<MiFU18> or w/e
18<nax18> dude the community isn't dying.  most of the community doesnt even bother coming to the forums, they play doom for awhile and then play something else and then come back later
18<MiFU18> hear me out for a sec
18<Decay18> statistically the community is dying because on average there are less players
18<MiFU18> the competive side of things
18<Decay18> stats don't lie
18<MiFU18> we have all flagged the less amount of players.
18<Moby18> Compet is dead on Zandro
18<MiFU18> sure they come and go
18<Moby18> Completely dead.
18<Moby18> It's Zdaemon's euroscene dead
18<Razgriz--18> if only we had tendency...
18<MiFU18> anyways thats still not a reason to attack eachother
18<Razgriz--18> i think he is still upset we are saying mean negativity things about the doom scene
18<Decay18> the reason it died is being pinned on the wrong people and the wrong reaons
18<Decay18> reasons**
18<Moby18> "You're a spoiled little bitch who has this enormous entitlement problem" Honestly this is less of a personal insult than a factual observation
18<Moby18> He is being a spoiled little bitch
18<Moby18> Like legitimately
18<Moby18> he wants it all
18<Moby18> and wants us to do it all for him
18<Moby18> he does nothing
18<nax18> the only reason there's slightly less people on right now vs last year is because action is low.  a large group of people aren't bothering to update mods because of 3.0
18<Moby18> NOTHING for anyone
18<Moby18> and then attacks I and us
18<Moby18> who spoon feed him
18<Moby18> so no he's being a spoiled princess
18<Decay18> nonsense
18<Razgriz--18> community meeting v3?
18<nax18> that'll come back when 3.0 gets released and modders feel a bit safer to finish their work.  wdi development has stopped releasing addons until 3.0 is a thing
18<Decay18> duel servers, duel, ctf used to dependably have some people in them
18<ArgentAgent18> if 3.0 gets released
18<Decay18> that part has almost entirely vanished
18<Moby18> if they care for 3.0
18<Moby18> they can just stay in zdoom
18<Decay18> and i'm not stalking about the "competitive" people, i'm talking about randoms
18<Moby18> where it is 30.0
18<Moby18> by now
18<MiFU18> either way
18<MiFU18> we got a problem now
18<Razgriz--18> "how to save zan"
18<MiFU18> cata has got a point
18<MiFU18> i did make a promise
18<IvanDobrovski18> how to save private zan
18<MiFU18> Zakken: im not too happy with you in that thread either
18<MiFU18> but we will talk about that later
18<MiFU18> as im at work
18<Moby18> to be fair
18<Decay18> lol are you seriously considering banning mobius because of those posts?
18<Decay18> what a joke
18<Moby18> that thread I was in long before those two
18<Moby18> bluewizard should have been permabanned for that virus shit
18<Moby18> or Jenova causing a storm with you
18<Moby18> but if you insist
18<Decay18> ban your most active community members, that'll help save the community
18<Moby18> go right ahead.
18<Decay18> it's done wonders so far
18<MiFU18> Decay: understand i dont want to do this
18<Decay18> where are all those people who said they would come back if i was gone?
18<Moby18> Did people really say that?
18<Decay18> not a single soul came back
18<Decay18> ofc they did
18<Moby18> Well I got banned defending myself and my position.
18<Razgriz--18> they would come back to only see that you were banned, smile fatly then leave
18<MiFU18> because i know, we would be shooting the community the foot
18<Moby18> I have a question
18<Decay18> that was the primary reason they wanted me banned, they said i was too intimidating for them to participate on the forums
18<MiFU18> but you did ignore my warning and i did make the promise
18<Moby18> So you are going to ban me over a point Cata said over stuff Zakken started in a thread I was doing fine it until Zakken decided to carry shit over from another thread right>
18<Zakken18> Yeah dude, why ban the most active people, even though they get easily aggressive towards anyone, at least they keep the forums active :((((
18<ArgentAgent18> better than stockholm syndrome
18<Moby18> Says the guy who provokes those people
18<Zakken18> I'm provoking no one
18<Decay18> *writes provokactive shit*
18<Decay18> *gets upset when retaliated against*
18<nax18> "why ban people for doing something i said not to do"
18<Decay18> yea, just cut the posts off and tell them to fuck off
18<MiFU18> Moby: i'll think about it actually
18<MiFU18> yea i promised but
18<Decay18> last i checked, mobius and zakken are at least human beings capable of rational discussion
18<Moby18> ?
18<MiFU18> i'll just think about it for now
18<Moby18> Is there another discussion
18<MiFU18> since work is distracting me
18<MiFU18> but yes
18<Ru5tK1ng18> I think you are backwards son
18<Ru5tK1ng18> this is distracting work
18<Decay18> surely an admin can say "hey mobius i see you and zakken are having difficulties can you cool it off both of you or i'm going to have to put you in a cool down tank for a day or 2"
18<IvanDobrovski18> no doom comes before work
18<IvanDobrovski18> you kidding me
18<Ru5tK1ng18> how would you know you don't have a job
18<IvanDobrovski18> I do
18<Moby18> What's happening her.e
18<Decay18> not "someone reminded me i would ban you forever more than a year ago, so bye bye"
18<nax18> ivan makes fat stacks off DnD
18<IvanDobrovski18> it's just I sit and do nothing practically
18<nax18> no one knows how
18<IvanDobrovski18> and that, gj nax
18<Moby18> yeah a guy with 27 warnings and spreading malicious shit
18<Moby18> rofl
18<Zakken18> You guys get upset at anything I write because it's me writing them and no other reason. You feel provoked because you don't like being challenged or disagreed with
18<TheToxicAvenger18> Ivan now's your chance to make RagnarokDM 2
18<Moby18> Hardlyu
18<MiFU18> cata would of been banned perma if metal stuck with it
18<Moby18> Wanna see a magic trick?
18<MiFU18> or was it infurnus
18<MiFU18> i cant remember
18<Decay18> go make an alias zakken and write the same shit
18<Decay18> i guarantee it would be met with the same results
18<Razgriz--18> both
18<MiFU18> i'll tell ya what though
18<MiFU18> both Moby and Zakken will have some sort of cool off period
18<Moby18> "I'm sure you have your reasons to be comfortable in a dying community where most of the people engaging in arguments of any kind are your own clanmates, but do understand that many don't feel the same way."
18<MiFU18> i'll decide whats going to happen later on today
18<Moby18> Was this really
18<Moby18> REALLY
18<Moby18> needed
18<Moby18> in your first post in that thread?
18<Zakken18> It's not even an insult, I was just stating it like it is
18<IvanDobrovski18> 04:30:07  <Zakken> You guys get upset at anything I write because it's me writing them and no other reason. You feel provoked because you don't like being challenged or disagreed with
18<Moby18> Ok
18<Moby18> so it's stating like it is
18<ArgentAgent18> Do you have proofs?
18<Moby18> and I can't call you a spoiled bitch
18<IvanDobrovski18> zakken honestly you've never really brought valid points across the entirety of the discussion
18<Moby18> So you mean to tell me
18<Zakken18> Why are you taking offence to me saying most of the people in the forums are your clanmates?
18<Moby18> You can pretty much insult me
18<Moby18> and my clanmates right
18<Moby18> but I can't reply and defend myself?
18<Zakken18> I wasn't? At least, not with what you quoted
18<Moby18> Son
18<Moby18> I quoted that
18<Moby18> Do you even read?
18<Ru5tK1ng18> *no*
18<Razgriz--18> doom is alive man thank allah he works wonders here saving our precious zandronum
18<ArgentAgent18> did u worship him today razgriz
18<Razgriz--18> zastaff hasnt seen this much activity since jenobyl
18<Moby18> You weren't even in the discussion whe I and Mifu were speaking and that is in your first post
18<Moby18> Tell me
18<Moby18> Is that from a position of someone who is a victim of A3 not wanting a viewpoint challengeD
18<Moby18> huh
18<Moby18> Hypocrite
18<TheToxicAvenger18> Jenobyl was a....*thing* alright
18<ArgentAgent18> He still hasn't provided proofs either, Moby
18<Moby18> This is why you get the treatment you do
18<IvanDobrovski18> 04:32:40  <Razgriz--> doom is alive man thank allah
18<Moby18> When you, Jenova, Tea Time, whoever starts doing shit like that
18<IvanDobrovski18> slow down junior terrorist
18<Moby18> don't cry about us returning the favor
18<ArgentAgent18> *thank erdogan
18<IvanDobrovski18> you have yet to learn the ways of allah
18<Moby18> Hiding behind moderatores
18<TheToxicAvenger18> Is Tea still around?
18<IvanDobrovski18> you dont even know how to disarm a c4 yet
18<Moby18> moderators*
18<Moby18> No
18<Moby18> Thank God
18<Decay18> <Moby>"I'm sure you have your reasons to be comfortable in a dying community where most of the people engaging in arguments of any kind are your own clanmates, but do understand that many don't feel the same way."
18<TheToxicAvenger18> Oh awsome
18<Decay18> this quote was some shit
18<Decay18> you know, just based on who is actually active in the community, its inevitable that when someone presents opinion a, it's like dissenting opinion b is going to be one of us
18<IvanDobrovski18> yeah because we got like 30 people in the clan as Moby said...
18<Zakken18> So you admit to it
18<Decay18> and if we present something and people like dui caboozeking come in to dissent, suddenly its ok, they don't count as toxic and negative
18<IvanDobrovski18> it's more than 50% of the active forum users tbh
18<Decay18> Zakken
18<Razgriz--18> hmm who is the many people in that line? is it another "people in pms" situation?
18<Decay18> i understand that the brazilian education is dismal
18<Decay18> i understand that your population has a below average iq
18<Decay18> but this is basic numbers
18<nax18> welp
18<nax18> that was quick
18<Zakken18> zzz
18<Moby18> See
18<IvanDobrovski18> with decay it is quick
18<Moby18> He has no point
18<Moby18> He didn't even answer mine
18<Moby18> At all
18<ArgentAgent18> yeah what's your argument?
18<Moby18> This is a fuckin troll
18<Decay18> he hit his mental apex
18<Ru5tK1ng18> ATTACK MY IDEAS NOT MY IDENTITY!
18<Decay18> i'll attack both
18<Decay18> fuck that
18<Moby18> Lol
18<ArgentAgent18> rofl
18<Razgriz--18> thats why ur banned
18<Moby18> RPOFL
18<ArgentAgent18> rofl
18<Ru5tK1ng18> ROFL
18<Moby18> ROFL
18<Decay18> good
18<Moby18> PWNED
18<IvanDobrovski18> :D
18<Decay18> there you have it
18<Moby18> Destroyed
18<Moby18> guilty gear style
18<Decay18> i won't stand for this idiocy though
18<Zakken18> If you guys actually cared about having organised arguments you wouldn't be doing it here
18<Decay18> like come the fuck on
18<Moby18> I did
18<Moby18> want me to paste it?
18<Decay18> like
18<Decay18> you know
18<Ru5tK1ng18> it's better here than doing it on the forums
18<Ru5tK1ng18> look how that topic turned out
18* Decay hits blunt
18<Ru5tK1ng18> really great reading material t
18<Razgriz--18> at least it was organized there somewhat
18<Zakken18> ^
18<Ru5tK1ng18> it was
18<Razgriz--18> but he ran from there
18<Decay18> i used to think stupidity was rarer
18<Ru5tK1ng18> before Zakken posted
18<Decay18> but i came to zandronum and goddamn
18<Ru5tK1ng18> then it went to hell
18<Razgriz--18> that's true
18<Razgriz--18> it was good for 3 pages
18<Decay18> there are some truly retarded fuckers here
18<Decay18> and zakken is one of them
18<Moby18> <Moby> "I'm sure you have your reasons to be comfortable in a dying community where most of the people engaging in arguments of any kind are your own clanmates, but do understand that many don't feel the same way."
18<Moby18> <@MiFU> i'll decide whats going to happen later on today
18<Moby18> <Moby> Was this really
18<Moby18> <Moby> REALLY
18<Moby18> <Moby> needed
18<Moby18> <Moby> in your first post in that thread?
18<Moby18> I brought up a point like a million others
18<Moby18> he ignored
18<nax18> decay's collecting bans like fucking girl scout badges
18<nax18> this is great
18<Moby18> He got nothing on Capo
18<Moby18> Capo is ultimate ban
18<Decay18> i'm not afraid of bans
18<Decay18> and i'm not afraid of confronting other people and saying what i really think
18<IvanDobrovski18> yep decay had many in his lifetime
18<Razgriz--18> hes only afraid of being banned permanently from zdoom discord now
18<Moby18> ^
18<Razgriz--18> he feels safe there
18<Moby18> and doomworld
18<Decay18> instead of giving a run around with a thesuarus
18<Decay18> what?
18<ArgentAgent18> Decay's g-line message will contain the phrase 'eat shit'
18<Moby18> He loves his new friends
18<Moby18> Dewww
18<Moby18> 40oz
18<Razgriz--18> angel neko discord too
18<Moby18> bucket
18<Decay18> i was permanently banned from the zdoom discord, 2 weeks ago
18<Moby18> LOL
18<Moby18> No surprise
18<IvanDobrovski18> 04:39:19  <Razgriz--> angel neko discord too
18<Moby18> See
18<Moby18> Zakken says nothing
18<TheToxicAvenger18> Oh lordy
18<IvanDobrovski18> learning to make mods from angel neko, zakken wlll make another pony mod
18<TheToxicAvenger18> That discord must be FUN
18<Moby18> He goes for low hanging fruit
18<Ru5tK1ng18> so what is soul's argument anyway?
18<Decay18> zakken hasn't mad any mod
18<Moby18> Really low
18<Ru5tK1ng18> stop being mean?
18<Ru5tK1ng18> that's killing the community?
18<Razgriz--18> same as before
18<Ru5tK1ng18> what nothing?
18<Moby18> No
18<IvanDobrovski18> yea nothing
18<Moby18> He has no point
18<Razgriz--18> stop saying mean negativity things about my doom port
18<Moby18> He wants attention
18<Moby18> He misses A3
18<Moby18> so he puts on an act
18<Moby18> to get me to argue with him
18<Moby18> like good old times
18<IvanDobrovski18> "oh mobius"
18<Moby18> "I miss the old mobius who abused me."
18<Decay18> he thinks the people who supported tournaments, projects, and the port itself are to blame instead of the drug addicts, pedos, dipshits, and assholes that make up the other side
18<IvanDobrovski18> LOL
18<ArgentAgent18> 1. get people to repond and make points - 2. ignore them - 3. ask what they wanted again - 4. rinse and repeat
18<Zakken18> Most of what's being said here is just noise, so I see little point in responding. Also Moby I was just stating the current status, and even Decay agreed to it
18<Moby18>  "I'm sure you have your reasons to be comfortable in a dying community where most of the people engaging in arguments of any kind are your own clanmates, but do understand that many don't feel the same way."
18<ArgentAgent18> That is because you ignored every previous point made.
18<Decay18> what did i agree to
18<Moby18> So he agreed with this?
18<Moby18> You're lying
18<ArgentAgent18> Then pretended they didn't exist
18<Moby18> See this shit
18<Zakken18> that most of the people are A3
18<crockett18> i'm trying to understand zakken's logic but it looks like he's cracking a bunch of fortune cookies and retyping whatever random message it's in there