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- EonEcho
- IL_Shaman: Who will you vote for president in 2020?
- IL_Shaman
- Trump
- IL_Shaman
- without hesitation
- EonEcho
- IL_Shaman: Why will you vote for Trump in 2020?
- IL_Shaman
- EonEcho... because trump has done exactly what he said he would do.
- 08:32 IL_Shaman
- the first president in my lifetime to actually do what they campaigned on.
- EonEcho
- IL_Shaman: What three things that Trump said he would do, that he has done, are the most meaningful to you going into the 2020 election?
- Banquo
- IL_Shaman I met an old man in Carmi...claimed he owned a bunch of oil fields that way
- Banquo
- he was cool
- Banquo
- wish i remembered his name
- IL_Shaman
- EonEcho... first.. BUILD THE WALL... Second... or close tie with first... AMERICAN JOBS..... LOWER TAXES... Negotiating trade deals with china.. standing up to china.. north korea.. iran... and who the fuck ever wants to try us.
- IL_Shaman
- he aint takin no shit.
- EonEcho
- IL_Shaman: Are you aware almost no new wall has been built?
- IL_Shaman
- EonEcho... that is not true.... almost 400 miles of wall has been replaced
- EonEcho
- I think it's less than 100 miles.
- EonEcho
- I'm checking.
- EonEcho
- https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-border-wall-u-s-mexico-2020-goal-1479821
- EonEcho
- TRUMP HAS BUILT NEARLY 100 MILES OF BORDER WALL BY END OF 2019, WITH 350 MILES TO GO IN 2020
- IL_Shaman
- by the end of 2020 .... 500 miles
- IL_Shaman
- thats 2019
- EonEcho
- Citation?
- EonEcho
- The US-Mexico border is 1954 miles long.
- EonEcho
- Those 98 miles have all been constructed "in place of dilapidated and outdated designs," however, so as Democrats have been quick to point out, the Trump administration technically speaking has yet to build a single mile of brand new border wall.
- EonEcho
- So, he reinforced degraded areas along 98 miles by the end of 2019.
- EonEcho
- That was after three years as president.
- EonEcho
- Despite the Trump campaign's confidence, however, even CBP's current leadership has expressed doubt that the administration will be able to meet its ambitious goal.
- Banquo
- did mexico ever end up paying for the wall?
- EonEcho
- They did not.
- EonEcho
- That was a major campaign promise violated.
- EonEcho
- https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2019/nov/23/nancy-pelosi/mostly-true-nancy-pelosis-claim-president-trump-ha/
- EonEcho
- President Trump "hasn’t built any new (border) wall" during his time in office.
- EonEcho
- MOSTLY TRUE: Nancy Pelosi’s claim President Trump ‘hasn’t built any new wall’
- EonEcho
- We started by reviewing last week’s White House briefing by acting U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Mark Morgan. Asked by a reporter about the project, Morgan confirmed that all 78 miles of what he described as "new" border wall built so far are replacements for existing barriers. The work includes building steel bollard fencing, which consists of vertical steel posts with a small amount of space bet
- EonEcho
- ween them.
- EonEcho
- It is not, however, the solid concrete wall that Trump promised during his campaign and said Mexico would pay for.
- EonEcho
- Donald Trump has dramatically fallen short of fulfilling this major campaign promise.
- EonEcho
- Arguably his number one campaign promise.
- IL_Shaman
- The total length of the U.S.–Mexico border is 1,954 miles; as of August 2017, 705 miles have at least one of four kinds of barriers.
- IL_Shaman
- EonEcho... the wall is estimated to cost up to 40 billion to complete
- IL_Shaman
- 1.6 billion is all he got
- EonEcho
- That's how the Constitution works.
- IL_Shaman
- and 100 miles was built
- EonEcho
- 98 miles of pre-existing wall was upgraded.*
- Banquo
- is obama a force for evil ?
- EonEcho
- The Constitution gives the power of the budget to Congress.
- IL_Shaman
- that would put the cost WAY UNDER BUDGET at about 12 billion or so
- EonEcho
- IL_Shaman: It sounds like you don't have any citations refuting anything I claimed above?
- EonEcho
- I am not interested in promises of Donald Trump on 2020 Jan 29.
- EonEcho
- It's time to evaluate what he's done.
- IL_Shaman
- 100 miles of NEW border wall at this time is correct
- IL_Shaman
- 93 miles of existing wall
- EonEcho
- 98 miles of pre-existing wall was upgraded.*
- EonEcho
- I'm ready to move on, unless you have citations.
- IL_Shaman
- he's the first president in my lifetime that actually told north korea to fuck off
- IL_Shaman
- clinton.. paid them off
- IL_Shaman
- Bush.. paid them off.
- EonEcho
- Your next point was "AMERICAN JOBS".
- IL_Shaman
- obama... appeased them and appologised
- EonEcho
- That's not a thing that can be done.
- IL_Shaman
- and paid them off
- EonEcho
- What did Donald Trump do with 'American jobs'?
- IL_Shaman
- trump... said.. "FUCK YOU"
- IL_Shaman
- EonEcho... my small business is up 300% since trump has been in office
- IL_Shaman
- dramatic contrast
- EonEcho
- Is that what you meant by 'American jobs'?
- IL_Shaman
- EonEcho... I've had an add in the paper for 4 weeks for a shop trainee
- IL_Shaman
- 1 guy applied.... DUI... no license... cant use him
- 08:44 EonEcho
- I hope you agree it would be inappropriate to select a president based on what they've done or not done for one company.
- IL_Shaman
- I gotta have someone with a valid drivers license
- IL_Shaman
- prior to trump.. any day of the week.. I could hire 10 good workers for any project
- IL_Shaman
- cause they were hungry for work
- IL_Shaman
- now
- IL_Shaman
- they are workin
- EonEcho
- Is this what you mean by 'American jobs'?
- IL_Shaman
- they dont have time to piddle around with shaman shit jobs
- Tim1982 has left ()
- IL_Shaman
- anyone here in rural podunk america is working.. or doesnt want to work.
- IL_Shaman
- maxxiii... thats my goal in life.
- EonEcho
- IL_Shaman: You're unwilling to discuss what Trump has done for 'American jobs', then?
- IL_Shaman
- EonEcho... trump has clearly turned the economy on a dime... just his BRAND.... has brought TRILLIONS in investment back to america
- EonEcho
- What does that have to do with 'American jobs'?
- IL_Shaman
- what do you think trillions of dollars do in a large economy??? corporations expand.
- IL_Shaman
- they hire more ppl
- IL_Shaman
- small businesses open
- EonEcho
- Okay, it sounds like you're forming a claim.
- IL_Shaman
- hundreds of thousands of small businesses
- EonEcho
- So, Trump has increased the number of 'American jobs'?
- IL_Shaman
- yes
- IL_Shaman
- by a dramatic number
- EonEcho
- How are you measuring that?
- IL_Shaman
- not just average growth
- IL_Shaman
- MONSTER growth
- IL_Shaman
- better than 50 years growth
- IL_Shaman
- which is EXACTLY what he campaigned on
- IL_Shaman
- WINNING!
- IL_Shaman
- I didnt vote for him because he was pretty
- IL_Shaman
- or a nice guy
- EonEcho
- I agree that the unemployment rate is currently very low.
- IL_Shaman
- I voted for him.. because he was t he best man for the job at the time
- EonEcho
- There has been a consistent decrease in unemployment for about a decade.
- EonEcho
- https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
- IL_Shaman
- EonEcho... .yet.. the population growth was outpacing job production
- EonEcho
- Unemployment has been decreasing steadily since late 2009.
- 08:52 IL_Shaman
- all through obama's administration we had a FAKE recovery
- EonEcho
- It would appear this a phenomenon outside any one president, as it extends through two presidencies.
- EonEcho
- Agreed?
- IL_Shaman
- trillions of dollars pumped into the economy out of thin air
- 08:52 IL_Shaman
- 80 billion a month till the day obama left office
- EonEcho
- IL_Shaman: Did you look at my citation?
- 08:53 IL_Shaman
- trump... has had NONE of that pumping
- EonEcho
- There is an extremely consistent decrease in unemployment since late 2009.
- EonEcho
- There was no change to that when Trump became president.
- IL_Shaman
- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-19/fed-study-of-labor-participation-finds-u-s-at-full-employment
- Banquo
- yeah
- Banquo
- soros is a POS
- Banquo
- he helped the nazis
- 08:55 EonEcho
- Banquo: Citation on Soros helping the Nazis?
- IL_Shaman
- the labor force is at or beyond its capability
- 08:56 EonEcho
- IL_Shaman: You are not responding to my question?
- IL_Shaman
- EonEcho.. because your question is biased
- EonEcho
- Okay.
- EonEcho
- Good day.
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