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Il_Shaman is not a smart man

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  1. EonEcho
  2. IL_Shaman: Who will you vote for president in 2020?
  3. IL_Shaman
  4. Trump
  5. IL_Shaman
  6. without hesitation
  7. EonEcho
  8. IL_Shaman: Why will you vote for Trump in 2020?
  9. IL_Shaman
  10. EonEcho... because trump has done exactly what he said he would do.
  11. 08:32 IL_Shaman
  12. the first president in my lifetime to actually do what they campaigned on.
  13. EonEcho
  14. IL_Shaman: What three things that Trump said he would do, that he has done, are the most meaningful to you going into the 2020 election?
  15. Banquo
  16. IL_Shaman I met an old man in Carmi...claimed he owned a bunch of oil fields that way
  17. Banquo
  18. he was cool
  19. Banquo
  20. wish i remembered his name
  21. IL_Shaman
  22. EonEcho... first.. BUILD THE WALL... Second... or close tie with first... AMERICAN JOBS..... LOWER TAXES... Negotiating trade deals with china.. standing up to china.. north korea.. iran... and who the fuck ever wants to try us.
  23. IL_Shaman
  24. he aint takin no shit.
  25. EonEcho
  26. IL_Shaman: Are you aware almost no new wall has been built?
  27. IL_Shaman
  28. EonEcho... that is not true.... almost 400 miles of wall has been replaced
  29. EonEcho
  30. I think it's less than 100 miles.
  31. EonEcho
  32. I'm checking.
  33. EonEcho
  34. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-border-wall-u-s-mexico-2020-goal-1479821
  35. EonEcho
  36. TRUMP HAS BUILT NEARLY 100 MILES OF BORDER WALL BY END OF 2019, WITH 350 MILES TO GO IN 2020
  37. IL_Shaman
  38. by the end of 2020 .... 500 miles
  39. IL_Shaman
  40. thats 2019
  41. EonEcho
  42. Citation?
  43. EonEcho
  44. The US-Mexico border is 1954 miles long.
  45. EonEcho
  46. Those 98 miles have all been constructed "in place of dilapidated and outdated designs," however, so as Democrats have been quick to point out, the Trump administration technically speaking has yet to build a single mile of brand new border wall.
  47. EonEcho
  48. So, he reinforced degraded areas along 98 miles by the end of 2019.
  49. EonEcho
  50. That was after three years as president.
  51. EonEcho
  52. Despite the Trump campaign's confidence, however, even CBP's current leadership has expressed doubt that the administration will be able to meet its ambitious goal.
  53. Banquo
  54. did mexico ever end up paying for the wall?
  55. EonEcho
  56. They did not.
  57. EonEcho
  58. That was a major campaign promise violated.
  59. EonEcho
  60. https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2019/nov/23/nancy-pelosi/mostly-true-nancy-pelosis-claim-president-trump-ha/
  61. EonEcho
  62. President Trump "hasn’t built any new (border) wall" during his time in office.
  63. EonEcho
  64. MOSTLY TRUE: Nancy Pelosi’s claim President Trump ‘hasn’t built any new wall’
  65. EonEcho
  66. We started by reviewing last week’s White House briefing by acting U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Mark Morgan. Asked by a reporter about the project, Morgan confirmed that all 78 miles of what he described as "new" border wall built so far are replacements for existing barriers. The work includes building steel bollard fencing, which consists of vertical steel posts with a small amount of space bet
  67. EonEcho
  68. ween them.
  69. EonEcho
  70. It is not, however, the solid concrete wall that Trump promised during his campaign and said Mexico would pay for.
  71. EonEcho
  72. Donald Trump has dramatically fallen short of fulfilling this major campaign promise.
  73. EonEcho
  74. Arguably his number one campaign promise.
  75. IL_Shaman
  76. The total length of the U.S.–Mexico border is 1,954 miles; as of August 2017, 705 miles have at least one of four kinds of barriers.
  77. IL_Shaman
  78. EonEcho... the wall is estimated to cost up to 40 billion to complete
  79. IL_Shaman
  80. 1.6 billion is all he got
  81. EonEcho
  82. That's how the Constitution works.
  83. IL_Shaman
  84. and 100 miles was built
  85. EonEcho
  86. 98 miles of pre-existing wall was upgraded.*
  87. Banquo
  88. is obama a force for evil ?
  89. EonEcho
  90. The Constitution gives the power of the budget to Congress.
  91. IL_Shaman
  92. that would put the cost WAY UNDER BUDGET at about 12 billion or so
  93. EonEcho
  94. IL_Shaman: It sounds like you don't have any citations refuting anything I claimed above?
  95. EonEcho
  96. I am not interested in promises of Donald Trump on 2020 Jan 29.
  97. EonEcho
  98. It's time to evaluate what he's done.
  99. IL_Shaman
  100. 100 miles of NEW border wall at this time is correct
  101. IL_Shaman
  102. 93 miles of existing wall
  103. EonEcho
  104. 98 miles of pre-existing wall was upgraded.*
  105. EonEcho
  106. I'm ready to move on, unless you have citations.
  107. IL_Shaman
  108. he's the first president in my lifetime that actually told north korea to fuck off
  109. IL_Shaman
  110. clinton.. paid them off
  111. IL_Shaman
  112. Bush.. paid them off.
  113. EonEcho
  114. Your next point was "AMERICAN JOBS".
  115. IL_Shaman
  116. obama... appeased them and appologised
  117. EonEcho
  118. That's not a thing that can be done.
  119. IL_Shaman
  120. and paid them off
  121. EonEcho
  122. What did Donald Trump do with 'American jobs'?
  123. IL_Shaman
  124. trump... said.. "FUCK YOU"
  125. IL_Shaman
  126. EonEcho... my small business is up 300% since trump has been in office
  127. IL_Shaman
  128. dramatic contrast
  129. EonEcho
  130. Is that what you meant by 'American jobs'?
  131. IL_Shaman
  132. EonEcho... I've had an add in the paper for 4 weeks for a shop trainee
  133. IL_Shaman
  134. 1 guy applied.... DUI... no license... cant use him
  135. 08:44 EonEcho
  136. I hope you agree it would be inappropriate to select a president based on what they've done or not done for one company.
  137. IL_Shaman
  138. I gotta have someone with a valid drivers license
  139. IL_Shaman
  140. prior to trump.. any day of the week.. I could hire 10 good workers for any project
  141. IL_Shaman
  142. cause they were hungry for work
  143. IL_Shaman
  144. now
  145. IL_Shaman
  146. they are workin
  147. EonEcho
  148. Is this what you mean by 'American jobs'?
  149. IL_Shaman
  150. they dont have time to piddle around with shaman shit jobs
  151. Tim1982 has left ()
  152. IL_Shaman
  153. anyone here in rural podunk america is working.. or doesnt want to work.
  154.  
  155. IL_Shaman
  156. maxxiii... thats my goal in life.
  157. EonEcho
  158. IL_Shaman: You're unwilling to discuss what Trump has done for 'American jobs', then?
  159. IL_Shaman
  160. EonEcho... trump has clearly turned the economy on a dime... just his BRAND.... has brought TRILLIONS in investment back to america
  161. EonEcho
  162. What does that have to do with 'American jobs'?
  163. IL_Shaman
  164. what do you think trillions of dollars do in a large economy??? corporations expand.
  165. IL_Shaman
  166. they hire more ppl
  167. IL_Shaman
  168. small businesses open
  169. EonEcho
  170. Okay, it sounds like you're forming a claim.
  171. IL_Shaman
  172. hundreds of thousands of small businesses
  173. EonEcho
  174. So, Trump has increased the number of 'American jobs'?
  175. IL_Shaman
  176. yes
  177. IL_Shaman
  178. by a dramatic number
  179. EonEcho
  180. How are you measuring that?
  181. IL_Shaman
  182. not just average growth
  183. IL_Shaman
  184. MONSTER growth
  185. IL_Shaman
  186. better than 50 years growth
  187. IL_Shaman
  188. which is EXACTLY what he campaigned on
  189. IL_Shaman
  190. WINNING!
  191. IL_Shaman
  192. I didnt vote for him because he was pretty
  193. IL_Shaman
  194. or a nice guy
  195. EonEcho
  196. I agree that the unemployment rate is currently very low.
  197. IL_Shaman
  198. I voted for him.. because he was t he best man for the job at the time
  199. EonEcho
  200. There has been a consistent decrease in unemployment for about a decade.
  201. EonEcho
  202. https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
  203. IL_Shaman
  204. EonEcho... .yet.. the population growth was outpacing job production
  205. EonEcho
  206. Unemployment has been decreasing steadily since late 2009.
  207. 08:52 IL_Shaman
  208. all through obama's administration we had a FAKE recovery
  209. EonEcho
  210. It would appear this a phenomenon outside any one president, as it extends through two presidencies.
  211. EonEcho
  212. Agreed?
  213. IL_Shaman
  214. trillions of dollars pumped into the economy out of thin air
  215. 08:52 IL_Shaman
  216. 80 billion a month till the day obama left office
  217. EonEcho
  218. IL_Shaman: Did you look at my citation?
  219. 08:53 IL_Shaman
  220. trump... has had NONE of that pumping
  221. EonEcho
  222. There is an extremely consistent decrease in unemployment since late 2009.
  223. EonEcho
  224. There was no change to that when Trump became president.
  225. IL_Shaman
  226. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-19/fed-study-of-labor-participation-finds-u-s-at-full-employment
  227. Banquo
  228. yeah
  229. Banquo
  230. soros is a POS
  231. Banquo
  232. he helped the nazis
  233. 08:55 EonEcho
  234. Banquo: Citation on Soros helping the Nazis?
  235. IL_Shaman
  236. the labor force is at or beyond its capability
  237. 08:56 EonEcho
  238. IL_Shaman: You are not responding to my question?
  239. IL_Shaman
  240. EonEcho.. because your question is biased
  241. EonEcho
  242. Okay.
  243. EonEcho
  244. Good day.
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