mikhailnikolaievitch vs. Po_Biotic

Breakdown of mikhailnikolaievitch vs. Po_Biotic
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To promote transparency in my judgement I will be keeping track of what I think helps/hurts the arguments of the people I am judging.  If something benefits an argument a plus, like this: (+) will be next to it, if it hurts, a (-) minus.
Additionally, at the end of each response I will keep track of the arguments I buy into.
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PoB R1:

1) Flashbang vs. Paragon

a. Flashbang's Offensive

 a1. Calcs a heat component

 a2. Details sound component

b. Paragon won't be able to copy Flashbang

 b1. Sub 500 m range for copying

 b2.Paragon fights at range, taking Paragon out before he gets close

2) Rover vs. Durabelle

a. DB has no enhanced senses, so Rover can hit her from far away easier

b. Rover has the range advantage

 b1. Rover's guns can hurt DB

 b2. DB can't dodge Rover's ranged attacks inside of 11 m

 b3. All her weapons are sub 11 m in length

 b4. Her ranged attacks are insufficient to hurt Rover

3) Haru vs. Super Skrull

PoB later conceded this fight, so I'm not going to address it

Takeaways:

* Flashbang kills Paragon before he reaches him

* Rover beats Durabelle due to a range advantage

Notes:

* n/a

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Mik R1:

1) Flashbang vs. Paragon

a. Very little info on Flashbang = needs assumptions to be run

 a1. Breaks down some potential bad case assumptions on how Flashbang's powers work (hurting himself, dropping him in a pit, directional have no set area or size, no clear ability to aim or control power)

 a2. It may take time for Flashbang to decide what to do (only has 1.5s)

 a3. No clear indication what he would do

b. Paragon can close the distance

 b1. Details some of the a1 conditions

 b2. Paragon can close the distance in 2 seconds

 b3. Plenty of buildings to hide behind

 b4. Flashbang's ranged attacks have no context to indicate they are viable

c. Paragon wins if he copies

 c1. Gains opponents powers +

 c2. He's a sociopath and likes to murder people

2) Rover vs. Durabelle

a. Rover's win cons require narrow character interp/decisions

 a1. Links an example of how Rover behaves (missing shots, and fighting CQC)

 a2. No evidence Rover will go for PoB's strat when he has so many other weapons/options

b. DB Mogs

 b1. DB one shots him with a 3TJ hit

 b2. Brings up statements PoB has made about Rover's in tierness

c. Rebuttals

 c1. Senses are irrelevant as Rover won't be able to exploit WWWverse dura steps

 c2. Rover has limited ammo, could miss and DB can make a meme shield

 c3. Challenges PoB's speed interp

 c4. Rover can't deal with collateral damage

3) Haru vs. Super Skrull

PoB later conceded this fight, so I'm not going to address it

Takeaways:

* PoB's team is unlikely to behave as described

* Paragon can probably make up the distance

* DB can beat up Rover

Failure to Counter:

* n/a

Notes:

* n/a

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PoB R2:

1) Flashbang vs. Paragon

a. Flashbang will use his powers

 a1. He's used them before

 a2. He's motivated via GDT rules to win

b. Rebuttals to "Flashbang is useless"

 b1. Adds another def of omnidirectional to the mix

 b2. No evidence Flashbang takes damage from his own power

 b3. He can tank his own attacks

c. Rebuttals to "Paragon's Range"

 c1. Cover is irrelevant as Paragon is blinded as soon as the fight starts

 c2. Flashbang has feats of hurting people at range

 c3. Flashbang doesn't need to release his most effective attack

d. Paragon's range is short

2) Rover vs. Durabelle

a. Rover is useless rebuttals

 a1. IC feats linked are a different scenario

 a2. Rover missed a moving target

 a3. Grappling hook was used to save an ally

b. DB incaps rebuttals

 b1. Only incaps with CQ hits

 b2. Gun only runs out of ammo if fired continuously

c. Rebuttals^2

 c1. Rover has time to learn the rules of Metaverse

 c2. Her super shields won't last long

 c3. Tier setter DB is faster than real

 c4. Clarified speed stacking argument

 c5. Rover can see through debris

Takeaways:

* Flashbang will probably attack at one point

Failure to Counter:

* n/a

Notes:

* n/a

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Mik R2:

1) Flashbang vs. Paragon

a. Flashbang, more like Fakebang, aimiright?

 a1. Reiterates a lot of R1 arguments

 a2. No clue if Flashbang can intentionally use his powers

 a3. PoB has failed to specify a win con range

 a4. Lots o' barriers on the map

b. Paragon's senses

 b1. Details how he can sense people and their powers from a fair range away

 b2. Can detect supersonic objects

c. Flashbang can't kill Paragon (power copying arg)

d. Rebuttals

 d1. PoB has proven that he has powers, not he will use them (most people aren't murderers)

 d2. No evidence he doesn't take damage from his own powers

 d3. Repeats a lot of prior arguments

2) Rover vs. Durabelle

a. Details the very narrow conditions that are necessary for Rover to win

b. DB would have to not dodge for PoB's strat to work

c. Its mathmatically impossible for Rover to take out DB

d. No evidence that Rover even kills + other IC stuff

Takeaways:

* Paragon will 100% know where Flashbang is

* Rover can't take out DB

Failure to Counter:

* n/a

Notes:

* n/a

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PoB R3:

1) Flashbang vs. Paragon

a. Rebuttals for "Flashpoint can't win"

 a1. Flashbang incaps with sound unless Paragon is hundreds of miles away

 a2. Falling into a pit doesn't take out Paragon

 a3. Directional output infers an ability to control a power

 a4. Easy to hit a target with lightspeed attacks

 a5. Flashbang's powers are active, not passive

b. Rebuttals for "WTF is going on with Flashbang's range?"

 b1. Blindness -> Burning

 b2. Paragon can't hide from sound

c. Rebuttals for "Paragon's range & senses"

 c1. Flashbang won't be incapped by falling

 c2. Tracking Flashbang is useless

d. Rebuttals^2 Again

 d1. Flashbang can't regulate his power

 d2. Doesn't need to aim to hit Paragon

 d3. Paragon can't both blitz and take cover

 d4. Points out contradictions

2) Rover vs. Durabelle

a. Rebuttals for "Rover's Win Con Is Ludicrous"

 a1. Only needs one win con

 a2. Needs to get a hit every 25 ms + doesn't apply to charging time

 a3. Clarifies how metaverse numbers work

 a4. Clarifies why DB can't dodge

b. Rebuttals for "Rover isn't bloodlusted"

 b1. Rover can complete the tasks to win

 b2. Rover will kill as he tried to kill an alien



Takeaways:

* Flashbang's blast incaps Paragon anywhere nearby

Failure to Counter:

* How complex Rover's win con is

Notes:

* n/a

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Mik R3:

1) Flashbang vs. Paragon

a. Flashbang's argument is based on what she could do, no what he would do

b. Motivation to win =/= motivation to kill

c. Something about purpose of flashbangs

d. Breaks down how Flashbang is likely to behave

e. Sticking points

 e1. Range never established

 e2. Paragon can close his eyes/go into cover

 e3. Mik has been detailing various possible scenarios

2) Rover vs. Durabelle

a. IC argument

 a1. Rover doesn't know that specific win con path is what he needs to win

 a2. Re-iterates a lot of earlier arguments

 a3. Clarified tanking argument

b. Indicated confusion about limited ammo in tierness argument

c. Mik is a huge xenophobe and believes that the alien scum should die for the glory of the Humanity

 c1. Tears through PoB's Rover kills argument

Takeaways:

* Iffy if Flashbang will go route described by PoB

Failure to Counter:

* Range argument

Notes:

* I didn't see the relevance of the flashbang purpose argument