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  1. brucefenton [4:44 PM]
  2. Not sure what the issue is. I haven't seen any evidence he's Satoshi. If he comes forward with some then that's great, I'll definitely look at anything
  3.  
  4. bitsko [4:44 PM]
  5. whether or not it was a fraud it was made to look like a fraud lol its easy to see why 99.9% of people would conclude its a fraud
  6.  
  7. brucefenton [4:45 PM]
  8. Yeah, I've been a lot more open minded than most people. I've said that people I respect believe he is and there is definitely a chance of this
  9.  
  10. jp [4:46 PM]
  11. And commented like that is how you open minded.
  12.  
  13. [4:47]
  14. Core and blockstream should have hired you instead of Samson Mow
  15.  
  16.  
  17. bitsko [4:47 PM]
  18. anybody but that damn samson mow lol
  19.  
  20. brucefenton [4:47 PM]
  21. I take that as a compliment -- I'm trying to be as respectful and objective with everyone as I can
  22.  
  23. bitsko [4:48 PM]
  24. should hire alphonse
  25.  
  26.  
  27. jp [4:48 PM]
  28. Hire dandarkpill too lol
  29.  
  30.  
  31. bitsko [4:48 PM]
  32. pay dan! for sure pay dan
  33.  
  34. brucefenton [4:48 PM]
  35. @jp you seem upset. I'm sorry for whatever I did that made you upset at me
  36.  
  37. jp [4:49 PM]
  38. It is obvious. I told you to stay out. You didn't listen.
  39.  
  40. brucefenton [4:49 PM]
  41. You claim to have better information about CW than me...which is great for you....so why would you expect me to blindly believe something without the same knowledge you have?
  42.  
  43. jp [4:50 PM]
  44. If you really want good thing for bitcoin, at least know what is right what is wrong
  45.  
  46. brucefenton [4:50 PM]
  47. @jp I have stayed out...I don't even remember the last time I talked about him...even now with the nchain news I haven't commented
  48.  
  49. jp [4:50 PM]
  50. Csw is a con man and an asshole. Move along. Nothing to see here. Vlad2vlad has information more.
  51.  
  52. [4:51]
  53. Oh man. Then what did you tweet then?
  54.  
  55. [4:51]
  56. Don't even remember - I just posted your tweets here. It is even pinned.
  57.  
  58. brucefenton [4:53 PM]
  59. I bet it's not as bad as you remember-- don't assume the worst about me, I'm probably not your enemy
  60.  
  61. jp [4:53 PM]
  62. I will say one time. You don't want to be rekt in between core vs new force.
  63.  
  64. brucefenton [4:54 PM]
  65. Well thank you for the advice
  66.  
  67. jp [4:55 PM]
  68. You have strong good voice in the community.
  69.  
  70. [4:55]
  71. Show your support on core or nchain will damage your rep
  72.  
  73. [4:55]
  74. I highly recommend you to not comment on either core nor nchain. At the end of the day, if nchain wins then cast your voice to nchain and vice versa.
  75.  
  76. brucefenton [4:55 PM]
  77. I've been pretty supportive of core, I thought that's what was the problem
  78.  
  79. jp [4:56 PM]
  80. As I said, if you want to move to litecoin or altcoin then do it now
  81.  
  82. [4:57]
  83. But if you want to stay in bitcoin, don't get r3kt.
  84.  
  85. [4:58]
  86. We do not forgive, we do not forget those dark days when we were drowned in core piss
  87.  
  88. brucefenton [5:00 PM]
  89. Well thank you, I respect your thoughts
  90.  
  91. tomothy
  92. [5:01 PM]
  93. Fyi, gdax, $1533...
  94.  
  95. tomothy
  96. [5:10 PM]
  97. Guys are we selling at 1650? 2000? Or do we just keep holding?
  98.  
  99. jp [5:11 PM]
  100. HODL. Those sold at ath 1400 can't buy back now.
  101.  
  102.  
  103. [5:11]
  104. Calvin still buys
  105.  
  106. tomothy
  107. [5:12 PM]
  108. There you have it bitsko, I'd say wait
  109.  
  110. jp [5:16 PM]
  111. Think bigger. Not a few cent.
  112.  
  113.  
  114. snoop [5:46 PM]
  115. Bruce Fenton. What a guy.
  116.  
  117. jp [5:48 PM]
  118. Did lecturing at a govt agency do NOT make you becoming secret agent.
  119.  
  120. tomothy
  121. [5:50 PM]
  122. They haven't started with that yet. You guys are jumping the gun on their next plan of attack. Unless I've missed a post
  123.  
  124. jp [5:50 PM]
  125. You heard it here first ;)
  126.  
  127. tomothy
  128. [5:51 PM]
  129. LMFAO you can't start a smear campaign for them! It's not supposed to work that way!
  130.  
  131. jp [5:55 PM]
  132. They have dat campaign for long time. Not new work
  133.  
  134. bitsko [5:59 PM]
  135. https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/69318u/save_the_chain_enclosed_1_mb_transaction_with_273/
  136. reddit
  137. Save the Chain! Enclosed: 1 MB transaction with 273 BTC in fees • r/btc
  138. This is my love letter to the Bitcoin Blockchain. --- begin 664 savethechain.tx.bz2 ...
  139.  
  140.  
  141.  
  142. ----- Today May 4th, 2017 -----
  143. christophbergmann [1:00 AM]
  144. Hei, @vlad2vlad are you here?
  145.  
  146. [1:01]
  147. You said CSW could answer any question I ask through your voice
  148.  
  149. vlad2vlad [1:01 AM]
  150. Ask away
  151.  
  152. christophbergmann [1:01 AM]
  153. cool ... I will ask several questions in next half hour
  154.  
  155. [1:01]
  156. First ... how did it come that you have become the voice of CSW?
  157.  
  158. vlad2vlad [1:02 AM]
  159. Destiny?
  160.  
  161. [1:02]
  162. Or you want me to ask him?
  163.  
  164. [1:04]
  165. I sent him the question. Any other ones.
  166.  
  167. christophbergmann [1:06 AM]
  168. No, yes, both ... I mean, I guess he did not just call you and said: Vlad, be my voice. Did you search him? How did you win his trust?
  169.  
  170. vlad2vlad [1:06 AM]
  171. Here's what he said: You are a little mad, as I am and I would not say you are my voice. And more than that, you never treated me like shit. You never required that I prove anything to befriend me. You are always civil.
  172.  
  173. [1:08]
  174. I was hitting him up on twitter last year and I also sent him some emails but I didn't expect anything to come of it. I tend to try and talk to all the major industry players.
  175.  
  176. christophbergmann [1:09 AM]
  177. When did you start believe that he is Satoshiß
  178.  
  179. [1:09]
  180. ?
  181.  
  182. [1:09]
  183. thank you for taking the time, btw
  184.  
  185. vlad2vlad [1:11 AM]
  186. I personally thought he was Satoshi before it was leaked, when I saw a 2 part video from like 2015 I think. That's what sold me on it. Then when he came out and all that crazy stuff happened it was confusing but I figured there had to be some logical explanation for it all so, unlike most people, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I felt he at least deserved that. Everyone does until there's real proof. Media sound bytes are never proof for me.
  187.  
  188.  
  189. christophbergmann [1:12 AM]
  190. Thanks
  191.  
  192. [1:12]
  193. What did he do 2010-2015?
  194.  
  195. vlad2vlad [1:20 AM]
  196. 2010-2011. I was in a shit place family wise>
  197.  
  198. I was in a court battle with the Tax office (I won this in 2012)
  199.  
  200. [1:23]
  201. In 2011 I started a co again. I moved assets in 2011. And I did contract code and security work. I was teaching at CSU until 2014. CSU runs the Police and military training.
  202.  
  203. [1:24]
  204. From 2010 to 2013 I worked for both gaming co.s and LE. They are both the ones who cared about risk. Not that perfect security is all, but risk.
  205.  
  206. [1:25]
  207. I had too many things answering gov questions form 2014 on
  208.  
  209. [1:26]
  210. I had a farm, a ranch really. Middle of nowhere. No people closer than 1KM. I could work with no disturbances. I sold it to fund some of the companies as well as other assets. I loved that place. My work comes first.
  211.  
  212. [1:27]
  213. Next question, @christophbergmann
  214.  
  215. christophbergmann [1:28 AM]
  216. why did he leave Bitcoin in 2010?
  217.  
  218. vlad2vlad [1:38 AM]
  219. I was in battles, one after another to keep what I was working on.
  220.  
  221. [1:39]
  222. https://www.comcourts.gov.au/file/Federal/P/SYG746/2010/actions
  223.  
  224. [1:40]
  225. I do not want to have people follow me. I want people to read and think. I want them to question and validate. Not to take my word or for that matter, anybodies. And worse, do not look at something in the past and make that the yardstick.
  226.  
  227. christophbergmann [1:41 AM]
  228. didn't know this source.
  229.  
  230. [1:42]
  231. Can you explain what happened? While you continued working on Bitcoin, your company went bankrupt?
  232.  
  233. vlad2vlad [1:48 AM]
  234. In 2003 I had a fight with a 5% shareholder. My first wife sided with him as she wanted me to be home more. I ended up in an 11 year court battle. Settled part and got the company. I ended up winning. You have the final judgements. are district court, so not on google and people only see what they can easily google.
  235.  
  236. [1:49]
  237. Here is what you can tell them all..
  238.  
  239. IF you need to do what I say as I am Satoshi and not because of the idea I am presenting, but the nature of my identity, then you are all lost!
  240.  
  241. If you cannot think for yourself, then all this was for nothing
  242.  
  243. [1:49]
  244. If you judge based on an identity alone, on a perceived authority, then you are sheeple and deserve all you get
  245.  
  246. [1:52]
  247. ----
  248.  
  249. [1:52]
  250. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10702001
  251.  
  252. list of "8 2 9 10 11", which is the list that GNUPG started generating a year (commit e50cac1d848d332c4dbf49d5f705d3cbbf074ba1) after the date on the key.
  253.  
  254. BS utter BS.
  255.  
  256. And this was written as I write, not a paid piece, but as I do and I was the author of the Authority paper.
  257.  
  258. And it was independantly validated.
  259.  
  260. It is simple and who actually checks?
  261.  
  262. Gmax says and it is law.
  263.  
  264. [1:52]
  265. Think. Learn that code is a tool and us humans can use tools, but it is not a panacea and can solve nothing on its own.
  266.  
  267. [1:57]
  268. There is no form of non-repudiation. This is stated again and again by those with a past in (applied)cryptography. Yet, it is a concept that does not exist.
  269.  
  270. We live in a world of people. Code is a tool, it is a means to ensure that we can control our destiny if we use it well, but it does not remove the need to check and will never remove the need to think.
  271.  
  272. christophbergmann [1:57 AM]
  273. Yeah, Greg seems obsessed with calling you a conman ...
  274.  
  275. vlad2vlad [1:57 AM]
  276. Non-Repudiation can never exist as we live in a world of law. Law is Law. Crypto is a tool that adds weight to evidence, but it is not law.
  277.  
  278. I can sign and then say my key was stolen. I can pass a key to another. This is a well established principle. In the courts, it is always possible to repudiate.
  279.  
  280. I learned this the hard way. In my case, I was given a contempt citation as I argued the fact that electronic evidence supported my assertions. I learnt that law is law in 2004 when I argued that evidence of source information can be used against you and can be falsified and that it is not possible to simply show a key as proof.
  281.  
  282. [1:58]
  283. ----
  284. MiniMax, err, Greg, is a douche. <------ my words. :)
  285.  
  286. [1:58]
  287. ---
  288.  
  289. [1:58]
  290. Bitcoin is code. It has all the faults that code has. It does not make the world an anarchist playground and with it we are not free. We are free when we are free. We are free only when we allow our minds to be free.
  291.  
  292. [1:59]
  293. We are in a tragic world. There are no fair solutions, the world is simply not fair and we can do no more than make it worse by interfering with markets and free choice.
  294.  
  295. [1:59]
  296. ‘a piratis et latronibus capta domimium non mutant’
  297.  
  298. Look it up. It is a concept of law.
  299.  
  300. christophbergmann [2:00 AM]
  301. Did you sleep in this time? You had a company, a family and developed Bitcoin.
  302.  
  303. vlad2vlad [2:01 AM]
  304. Theft of keys is a means to have access to keys, and what does it prove, only that you hold a key. Any transaction can be recovered. If you think this is not the case, deal with those with guns. Tax is forced, but try and avoid the force. Try legally.
  305.  
  306. [2:01]
  307. I spend millions to win a case worth 1.1 million. Pyrrhic. And what was the use. It changed nothing.
  308.  
  309. [2:02]
  310. End rant...
  311.  
  312. vlad2vlad [2:08 AM]
  313. I have a company. I have a family and I am enrolled in a Masters degree right now. When I complete this degree, I will start another PhD.
  314.  
  315. Back then, I was also going to conferences, this I can no longer do.
  316.  
  317. I am a full fee student. I do not take money for this. I pay my own way. No scholarships. My choice.
  318.  
  319. [2:08]
  320. So, why is this such an issue for so many people? I enjoy learning and knowledge.
  321.  
  322. [2:10]
  323. ---
  324.  
  325. [2:10]
  326. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10702001
  327.  
  328. The following is the sane response:
  329.  
  330. "grovulent 512 days ago [-]
  331.  
  332. As others have pointed out - it's arguable that publishing any claim about the identity of SN - puts the target in considerable, potential danger.
  333. Now I can understand that there is a public interest component in knowing SN's identity. And I'd even be willing to accept (but really only for sake of argument) that this public interest overrides SN's own right to privacy and safety.
  334. But to make these accusations when you yourself admit - as the article does - that there is a substantial degree of doubt, is to put at risk the safety and privacy of a person who doesn't deserve it in the least.
  335. This is an absolutely appalling thing to do to anyone. And it should be prima-facie obvious to you as to why.
  336. While I don't condone bullying of any sort - it really is the least of what these authors deserve. I personally don't feel Kanzure is bullying - merely pointing out how appalling this behaviour is, and this absolutely needs to be pointed out."
  337.  
  338. christophbergmann [2:11 AM]
  339. are you sad that you left Bitcoin in 2010? Was it a mistake?
  340.  
  341. vlad2vlad [2:15 AM]
  342. As for gaining... I gain nothing by proving I am Satoshi.
  343. My family gains nothing. We go into moving again.
  344.  
  345. I do not get money and I DO NOT want fame
  346.  
  347. [2:17]
  348. I did not leave Bitcoin. Gavin was left to manage the code with others. That is not leaving.
  349.  
  350. christophbergmann [2:18 AM]
  351. How would you call it then?
  352.  
  353. vlad2vlad [2:23 AM]
  354. I stopped responding to trolls. The base protocol was and is fine.
  355.  
  356. christophbergmann [2:29 AM]
  357. what is the base protocol?
  358.  
  359. vlad2vlad [2:31 AM]
  360. With the cap removed it remains ok.
  361.  
  362. christophbergmann [2:31 AM]
  363. which version?
  364.  
  365. [2:32]
  366. I'm not so interested in Blocksize things. We had this over and over, it already bored out Bitcoin
  367.  
  368. vlad2vlad [2:36 AM]
  369. This is the answer to "what is the base protocol"?
  370.  
  371. [2:36]
  372. The means to have miners controls the network through competition. The exchange of blocks, the format, the original script and protocols.
  373.  
  374. For example:
  375.  
  376. https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/main.cpp#L2249
  377.  
  378. See the comments that they all ignore.
  379.  
  380. Prove that is not Satoshi. I do not need to sign anything and I do not need to jump their hoops, it is the code.
  381. GitHub
  382. trottier/original-bitcoin
  383. original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
  384.  
  385.  
  386. christophbergmann [2:42 AM]
  387. I wondered how can I know that this is the original codebase ...
  388.  
  389. [2:42]
  390. Some other question
  391.  
  392. [2:42]
  393. Why did you not publish a signed message?
  394.  
  395. vlad2vlad [2:43 AM]
  396. Continued from last response: What we need is simple, it is competition. Not a central authority. Not a 1984 double speak committee, but open and free competition.
  397.  
  398. This means that people are allowed to build on top of the base protocol. That the miners decide (see the 08 paper). If people do not like it, they can lobby miners or better, invest in hash power.
  399.  
  400. This way, changes are made based on what the market decides. Not an authority, the market. Each tries and fails and grows based on supply to a market.
  401.  
  402. vlad2vlad [2:49 AM]
  403. Answer to your last questing about signing a message:
  404.  
  405. [2:49]
  406. URGH!
  407.  
  408. 1. Tax. I am not offering proof that is proof. If I can access or not is MY business and it stays that way.
  409.  
  410. 2. More importantly, stop looking to a bloody saviour!
  411.  
  412. Markets are the answer, free open competition. Not Satoshi on his bloody white horse. Markets!
  413.  
  414. [2:51]
  415. Layer 2 networks will require the introduction of AML and intermediary controls. These are localised networks in the form of existing intermediaries.
  416.  
  417. They can be allowed to operate with Bitcoin competitively, but not at the expense of open exchange. This being what they fear, why use L2 if you have no need?
  418.  
  419. [2:52]
  420. Those who do not think that government can set in and control this are either naive or malicious. There is no other view. This is not a false dichotomy. These are the only options.
  421.  
  422. [2:53]
  423. In all cases, L2 will require systems that can be controlled and they will require the interaction of merchants and other parties. Networks such as lightning centralise and offer control on a platter.
  424.  
  425. christophbergmann [2:53 AM]
  426. Something else ... now you are Chief Scientis at nChain, right?
  427.  
  428. vlad2vlad [3:02 AM]
  429. Yes. I will not discuss the company though.
  430.  
  431. [3:02]
  432. The others will. I say too much and get in trouble already.
  433.  
  434. [3:03]
  435. I am not a CEO for a good reason. I am good at maths and code, I can write responses that nobody reads that are cogent and sincere, but when it comes to politics and fronting things, I just dig holes for myself
  436.  
  437. christophbergmann [3:06 AM]
  438. Ok, can you say when the software will go open source?
  439.  
  440. vlad2vlad [3:24 AM]
  441. Not answering re times for Open Source. It is underway.
  442.  
  443. cryptonaut [3:34 AM]
  444. @vlad2vlad CSW won't use slack or something? Would be interesting to get him on here.
  445.  
  446. vlad2vlad [3:35 AM]
  447. I seriously doubt it but I'll ask him@
  448.  
  449. cryptonaut [3:36 AM]
  450. Here's a question. Is Scronty legit or is this story just some fan fiction? (long read, but seems to align closely with the CSW story) https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5aflch/bitcoin_origins/
  451. reddit
  452. Bitcoin Origins • r/Bitcoin
  453. Afternoon, All. Today marks the eighth anniversary of the publication of the Bitcoin white paper. As a special tribute, I will provide you with...
  454.  
  455.  
  456. [3:38]
  457. If CSW is true and that above thread is true, Team Satoshi appears to consist of Craig, whoever that Scronty guy is, and David
  458.  
  459. vlad2vlad [3:38 AM]
  460. Dr. Wright says he'll come take a look in this channel but he's not gonna join.
  461.  
  462. [3:39]
  463. Who's got a link for this channel?
  464.  
  465. cryptonaut [3:40 AM]
  466. if you click on your name in the top left corner there should be an option to invite people by email
  467.  
  468. [3:41]
  469. tell him to make a throwaway if he wants to check it out but not join and get harrassed
  470.  
  471. csw [3:43 AM]
  472. joined #general
  473.  
  474. cryptonaut [3:43 AM]
  475. :new_moon_with_face: :rocket:
  476.  
  477. csw [3:44 AM]
  478. Scronty is a wanker
  479.  
  480. csw [3:44 AM]
  481. I am tired of people saying they worked with me. Scronty even got the number of BTC wrong.
  482.  
  483. 2 replies Last reply today at 6:18 AM View thread
  484.  
  485. vlad2vlad [3:45 AM]
  486. Welcome Dr. Wright!!!!
  487.  
  488. cryptonaut [3:45 AM]
  489. so just some fan fiction then? and yes, welcome :smile:
  490.  
  491. csw [3:46 AM]
  492. Yes, and not a fan
  493.  
  494. [3:47]
  495. "I wondered how can I know that this is the original codebase ..."
  496.  
  497. [3:47]
  498. It is not, it is close, but it is available on the satoshi Inst as well.
  499.  
  500. cryptonaut [3:47 AM]
  501. Are you able to say how many there were on the team? 3, or was there more? Not that it matters really
  502.  
  503. csw [3:47 AM]
  504. The first released code was 0.0.9
  505.  
  506. [3:47]
  507. It crashed.
  508.  
  509. onchainscaling [3:47 AM]
  510. Why was 21 million chosen? was it arbitrary number or is there a reason for that particular number?
  511.  
  512. csw [3:48 AM]
  513. The first other users are Bear and Hal
  514.  
  515. [3:48]
  516. M1
  517.  
  518. [3:48]
  519. 21 million links to global M1
  520.  
  521. christophbergmann [3:48 AM]
  522. Hallo Mr. Wright!
  523.  
  524. csw [3:49 AM]
  525. There are no decimal points, 21 million is the reference for people, the no. Satoshi (and I did not call them that) are related to M1 (edited)
  526.  
  527. cryptonaut [3:50 AM]
  528. can you expand on that?
  529.  
  530. csw [3:50 AM]
  531. http://lexicon.ft.com/Term?term=m0,-m1,-m2,-m3,-m4
  532.  
  533. [3:51]
  534. If you read the 08 paper, you will note the use of fiat as a value.
  535.  
  536. [3:51]
  537. Sect, 9. Page 5
  538.  
  539. [3:51]
  540. In the use of 21 million x 10^8 parts you have a value that maps to the cent
  541.  
  542. [3:51]
  543. That is, to global M1
  544.  
  545. vlad2vlad [3:52 AM]
  546. So bitcoin is meant to displace global fiat
  547.  
  548. [3:52]
  549. ?
  550.  
  551. csw [3:52 AM]
  552. This would be 21,000,000,000,000 USD as M1.
  553.  
  554. 21,000 trillion
  555.  
  556. [3:52]
  557. The idea is global cash.
  558.  
  559. [3:52]
  560. A single world currency
  561.  
  562. [3:53]
  563. Can I assume that you have read Hayek's work on global money?
  564.  
  565. vlad2vlad [3:53 AM]
  566. You're not gonna have many friends out there. But if you can pull it off bitcoin is gonna reach astronomical levels.
  567.  
  568. [3:53]
  569. No. But i will. :)
  570.  
  571. csw [3:53 AM]
  572. I have few friends.
  573.  
  574. cryptonaut [3:53 AM]
  575. section 9 is titled 'combining and splitting value" and does not mention a fiat value
  576.  
  577. csw [3:54 AM]
  578. I am not looking for them, I work best as I am and I find having a head in maths and code does not make one amiable to others.
  579.  
  580. [3:54]
  581. "Although it would be possible to handle coins individually, it would be unwieldy to make a
  582. separate transaction for every cent in a transfer"
  583.  
  584. [3:55]
  585. I believe that you will find that in S9.
  586.  
  587. cryptonaut [3:55 AM]
  588. right
  589.  
  590. [3:56]
  591. gotcha
  592.  
  593. csw [3:56 AM]
  594. I am sorry, I can be a little vague... If I am, ask for explanations.
  595.  
  596. [3:56]
  597. I make assumptions of knowledge
  598.  
  599. cryptonaut [3:57 AM]
  600. all good, just trying to piece together
  601.  
  602. csw [3:57 AM]
  603. It comes from too long inside universities
  604.  
  605. cryptonaut [3:57 AM]
  606. never been :wink:
  607.  
  608. csw [3:57 AM]
  609. Never been out...
  610.  
  611.  
  612. vlad2vlad [3:57 AM]
  613. Lol
  614.  
  615. csw [4:00 AM]
  616. Re: Bitcoin P2P e-cash paper 2008-11-10 14:09:26 UTC
  617.  
  618.  
  619. James A. Donald wrote:
  620. > Furthermore, it cannot be made to work, as in the
  621. > proposed system the work of tracking who owns what coins
  622. > is paid for by seigniorage, which requires inflation.
  623.  
  624. If you're having trouble with the inflation issue, it's easy to tweak it for
  625. transaction fees instead. It's as simple as this: let the output value from
  626. any transaction be 1 cent less than the input value. Either the client
  627. software automatically writes transactions for 1 cent more than the intended
  628. payment value, or it could come out of the payee's side. The incentive value
  629. when a node finds a proof-of-work for a block could be the total of the fees in
  630. the block.
  631.  
  632. Satoshi Nakamoto
  633.  
  634. cryptonaut [4:01 AM]
  635. Hah. So google tells me M1 USD supply is just under 2.1 trillion. Total # of satoshis is 2100 trillion. Close enough I say lol.
  636.  
  637. csw [4:01 AM]
  638. https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/util.cpp#L210
  639. GitHub
  640. trottier/original-bitcoin
  641. original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
  642.  
  643.  
  644. [4:02]
  645. Have a look at the code.
  646.  
  647. [4:03]
  648. n /= CENT;
  649.  
  650. @212; 255; 261
  651. in src/util.cpp
  652.  
  653. [4:03]
  654. https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/main.h#L17
  655. GitHub
  656. trottier/original-bitcoin
  657. original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
  658.  
  659.  
  660. [4:03]
  661. Main.h
  662.  
  663. [4:03]
  664. Defined against Cents
  665.  
  666. [4:04]
  667. // Value
  668. int64 nValue = (GetRand(9) + 1) * 100 * CENT;
  669. if (GetBalance() < nValue)
  670. {
  671. wxMessageBox("Out of money ");
  672. return;
  673. }
  674. nValue += (nRep % 100) * CENT;
  675.  
  676. [4:04]
  677. https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/ui.cpp#L3178
  678. GitHub
  679. trottier/original-bitcoin
  680. original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
  681.  
  682.  
  683. [4:04]
  684. Do you require more evidence?
  685.  
  686. cryptonaut [4:08 AM]
  687. makes sense to me. Here's one for you though: what was the thinking behind adding the 1MB block limit that we are now dealing with 2.5+ years drama to solve?
  688.  
  689. csw [4:08 AM]
  690. https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/main.cpp
  691. GitHub
  692. trottier/original-bitcoin
  693. original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
  694.  
  695.  
  696. [4:09]
  697. // Transaction fee requirements, mainly only needed for flood control
  698. // Under 10K (about 80 inputs) is free for first 100 transactions
  699. // Base rate is 0.01 per KB
  700. int64 nMinFee = tx.GetMinFee(pblock->vtx.size() < 100);
  701.  
  702. [4:09]
  703. At 0.08 cents a BTC, flood control did not work.
  704.  
  705. [4:09]
  706. At more than 100USD, it does
  707.  
  708. [4:09]
  709. We are at more than 100USD a BTC right now.
  710.  
  711. [4:10]
  712. In early 2010, the number of nodes (please note, nodes are always verification agents, that is miners) was low. (edited)
  713.  
  714. cryptonaut [4:10 AM]
  715. friggin $2200 canadian on localbitcoins right now
  716.  
  717. csw [4:11 AM]
  718. It should be higher. The more people can use BitCoin natively, the more the value will increase.
  719.  
  720.  
  721. cryptonaut [4:11 AM]
  722. spelling it BitCoin is heresy you know :stuck_out_tongue:
  723.  
  724. csw [4:12 AM]
  725. This is not as has been suggested exponential, but logistic
  726.  
  727. [4:12]
  728. It was in the early code as BitCoin
  729.  
  730. cryptonaut [4:12 AM]
  731. eh, looks ugly though. But yeah, to the moon and such
  732.  
  733. csw [4:12 AM]
  734. https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/readme.txt
  735. GitHub
  736. trottier/original-bitcoin
  737. original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
  738.  
  739.  
  740. [4:13]
  741. Line 1: BitCoin v0.1.3 ALPHA
  742.  
  743. cryptonaut [4:13 AM]
  744. Line 13: Bitcoin. Inconsistent lol
  745.  
  746. csw [4:13 AM]
  747. I have never been accused of being a designer
  748.  
  749. [4:13]
  750. I also never said I am perfect and yes, I do go back and forth.
  751.  
  752. [4:14]
  753. Lines 34 - 36:
  754.  
  755. To support the network by running a node, select:
  756.  
  757. Options->Generate Coins
  758.  
  759. cryptonaut [4:14 AM]
  760. I tend to do the same when naming things
  761.  
  762. csw [4:14 AM]
  763. Code naming conventions do not always move into the real world well.
  764.  
  765. cryptonaut [4:14 AM]
  766. true
  767.  
  768. csw [4:14 AM]
  769. Words are not variables as much as I would like to have this be so
  770.  
  771. [4:16]
  772. I thought the comments in the code were rather good, then it seems they are either ignored or they are not read.
  773.  
  774. [4:16]
  775. Either saddens me, though I cannot state which would sadden me more.
  776.  
  777. cryptonaut [4:16 AM]
  778. which points or comments do you feel are being ignored?
  779.  
  780. csw [4:17 AM]
  781. Have you read Brooks?
  782.  
  783. [4:17]
  784. Mythical Man Month, 1975, 1995 re-printed
  785.  
  786. cryptonaut [4:17 AM]
  787. I have not
  788.  
  789. csw [4:17 AM]
  790. A shame.
  791.  
  792. [4:17]
  793. Page 65 from memory of Brooks
  794.  
  795. [4:18]
  796. Triple redundancy
  797.  
  798. [4:18]
  799. //
  800. // "Never go to sea with two chronometers; take one or three."
  801. // Our three chronometers are:
  802. // - System clock
  803. // - Median of other server's clocks
  804. // - NTP servers
  805. //
  806. // note: NTP isn't implemented yet, so until then we just use the median
  807. // of other nodes clocks to correct ours.
  808. //
  809.  
  810. [4:18]
  811. https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/util.cpp#L326
  812. GitHub
  813. trottier/original-bitcoin
  814. original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
  815.  
  816.  
  817. [4:19]
  818. I do not see why there are arguments on things link the use off NTP as a base that is averaged in the system between nodes.
  819.  
  820. [4:19]
  821. The code has a number of comments stating that this is to be done.
  822.  
  823. [4:20]
  824. // Only let other nodes change our clock so far before we
  825. // go to the NTP servers
  826. /// todo: Get time from NTP servers, then set a flag
  827. /// to make sure it doesn't get changed again
  828. }
  829.  
  830. [4:22]
  831. And it should not be monolithic...
  832.  
  833. https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/net.cpp#L893
  834. GitHub
  835. trottier/original-bitcoin
  836. original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
  837.  
  838.  
  839. [4:22]
  840. //// todo: start one thread per processor, use getenv("NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS")
  841.  
  842. [4:22]
  843. And the market place was never fixed.
  844. https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/ui.cpp#L1619
  845. GitHub
  846. trottier/original-bitcoin
  847. original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
  848.  
  849.  
  850. cryptonaut [4:23 AM]
  851. I'm not too familiar with the nuances of NTP and server clocks etc, just a humble web developer. To get back to the 1MB block size thing for a second - did you anticipate the difficulty of removing or replacing the limit that we are currently experiencing?
  852.  
  853. csw [4:23 AM]
  854. There was supposed to be a means to have a merchant exchange a message with the purchaser. This would be a direct PoS system, no need for Visa etc.
  855.  
  856. [4:24]
  857. 2010
  858.  
  859. [4:24]
  860. See email
  861.  
  862. [4:24]
  863. Well before we get to where we are RIGHT NOW it is possible to preempt this and have an increase.
  864.  
  865. jp [4:25 AM]
  866. Why did you credit Adam Back hashcash when you didn't use it?
  867.  
  868. csw [4:25 AM]
  869. Adam intro'd Wei
  870.  
  871. [4:25]
  872. I do not generally talk to people I do not know. Not without an intro
  873.  
  874. jp [4:26 AM]
  875. But why credit him while you not used his? This wrong citation creates this evil blockstream
  876.  
  877. csw [4:26 AM]
  878. Adam was helpful for all that he said it would not work, but I am used to people saying my work is not worth considering.
  879.  
  880. jp [4:26 AM]
  881. Why you didn't credit triple entry accounting?
  882.  
  883. csw [4:27 AM]
  884. I am not able to see the future.
  885.  
  886. cryptonaut [4:27 AM]
  887. re: merchant exchange, decent idea but probably premature and not the best idea to put so many use cases into a single application (for example, the wallet accounts system used by Core is total garbage)
  888.  
  889. csw [4:27 AM]
  890. The list of references would be in the 100s of pages if I was to list the giants it was built to stand upon.
  891.  
  892. jp [4:28 AM]
  893. You used triple entry accounting in 2005 to inspire blockchain. But instead you credited something not actually used
  894.  
  895. csw [4:28 AM]
  896. Yes, the marketplace was far too early. And my design skills are far too poor.
  897.  
  898. [4:28]
  899. Using wxHtml was also a mistake.
  900.  
  901. jp [4:29 AM]
  902. It is why Ian grigg was heavily undervalued while core Adam back is crook
  903.  
  904. cryptonaut [4:29 AM]
  905. the idea for PoW is an iteration/evolution of hashcash so I don't think the citation is off base really
  906.  
  907. csw [4:29 AM]
  908. And triple entry accounting was something I stayed away from commenting
  909.  
  910. jp [4:29 AM]
  911. It is not too late to comment now
  912.  
  913. csw [4:29 AM]
  914. It was something I was introduced to when I was working at BDO, an accounting firm
  915.  
  916. jp [4:29 AM]
  917. Yes. Granger did
  918.  
  919. csw [4:31 AM]
  920. Again, I never foresaw the world to come as it has come. I did not see the politics. I saw state actors as more the issue than Adam B(l)ack
  921.  
  922.  
  923. jp [4:31 AM]
  924. I Think you should also correct the citation. Adam back himself was surprised when he saw he was credited
  925.  
  926. christophbergmann [4:31 AM]
  927. why was Ian Grigg heavily undervalued, @jp ?
  928.  
  929. cryptonaut [4:31 AM]
  930. what a mind trip adam must have had lol
  931.  
  932. jp [4:32 AM]
  933. He was the one kept looking for hmwjo SN was because he was surprised as his name was included in whitepaper while he knew hashcash was not used
  934.  
  935. csw [4:32 AM]
  936. It is published. Papers should not be played with
  937.  
  938. [4:32]
  939. I am not a god, I am a researcher. I code, I do maths and I am fallible. (edited)
  940.  
  941. jp [4:33 AM]
  942. It is not late to correctly credit people whose works you used.
  943.  
  944. [4:33]
  945. Adam back is not and should not be on whitepaper because of just an introduction email to Wei Dai
  946.  
  947. csw [4:34 AM]
  948. Should not. Is. These are separate concepts.
  949.  
  950. tomothy
  951. [4:34 AM]
  952. I know you touched on the 1mb cap and mining but can you comment on the idea of the UASF, (user activated soft fork) and your thought on using it to implement segwit? Also general thoughts on segwit? Thanks.
  953.  
  954. csw [4:34 AM]
  955. I do not want to be found. I did not want to be found.
  956.  
  957. cryptonaut [4:34 AM]
  958. frankly unless csw somehow 100% proves he is satoshi, any whitepaper update wouldn't be taken seriously and probably a waste of time. Plus blockstream is already a thing, too late for that
  959.  
  960.  
  961. csw [4:35 AM]
  962. UASF - Miners are nodes. Nodes are miners.
  963.  
  964. [4:35]
  965. There are NO full non-mining nodes.
  966.  
  967.  
  968. [4:35]
  969. Please read the paper.
  970.  
  971. [4:35]
  972. It is VERY VERY clear
  973.  
  974. [4:35]
  975. If you have issues, look at the code.
  976.  
  977. tomothy
  978. [4:35 AM]
  979. And then segwit generally?
  980.  
  981. csw [4:36 AM]
  982. "Nodes" that are not mining are wallets, these are fat SPV systems and sock puppets
  983.  
  984. [4:36]
  985. SegWit centralises the system
  986.  
  987. jp [4:36 AM]
  988. What is your plan to stop segwit? A hard fork coming soon?
  989.  
  990. csw [4:36 AM]
  991. It means that developers can make further changes without a consensus
  992.  
  993. bdd [4:36 AM]
  994. joined #general
  995.  
  996. csw [4:37 AM]
  997. There will not be an update. Mistakes on referencing or not
  998.  
  999. tomothy
  1000. [4:37 AM]
  1001. To the best of your knowledge, does segwit infringe on any patents?
  1002.  
  1003. csw [4:38 AM]
  1004. And I will not prove. I am not here to prove. If you need to listen as you think that I am and this is the sole reason, then it is lost to you in any event.
  1005.  
  1006. [4:38]
  1007. Tomothy.
  1008.  
  1009. [4:38]
  1010. Yes
  1011.  
  1012. [4:38]
  1013. I cannot expand on that here and now.
  1014.  
  1015. [4:39]
  1016. That will be addressed soon and in the manner that is requires
  1017.  
  1018. tomothy
  1019. [4:39 AM]
  1020. And is it safe to the assume that the creators of segwit had alterior motives for creating it, introducing it, and refusing to increase 1mb limit?
  1021.  
  1022. [4:39]
  1023. Understood. Eagerly await.
  1024.  
  1025. csw [4:39 AM]
  1026. I cannot speak for the motivations of others I do not know intimately
  1027.  
  1028. jp [4:39 AM]
  1029. What can we do to help?
  1030.  
  1031.  
  1032. csw [4:40 AM]
  1033. Law is Law.
  1034. Cryptographic tools are tools.
  1035. I know many do not see this, but when it comes to intellectual property, it is rather certain.
  1036.  
  1037. [4:40]
  1038. To help... compete.
  1039.  
  1040. [4:40]
  1041. Competition and markets are the source of human freedom and innovation.
  1042.  
  1043. [4:41]
  1044. Make something.
  1045.  
  1046.  
  1047. [4:41]
  1048. Develop
  1049.  
  1050. jp [4:41 AM]
  1051. Compete in what way? I see that the SDK is one stone two birds. Kill core and alts
  1052.  
  1053. csw [4:41 AM]
  1054. And if you fail for the n-th time... Start and try again.
  1055.  
  1056. cryptonaut [4:41 AM]
  1057. amen to that, @jp compete in all ways :stuck_out_tongue:
  1058.  
  1059. [4:41]
  1060. getting super late here, I'm out guys. Cheers
  1061.  
  1062.  
  1063. jp [4:41 AM]
  1064. Will there be any smart contract applications coming?
  1065.  
  1066. csw [4:41 AM]
  1067. I cannot discuss that./
  1068.  
  1069. [4:42]
  1070. I also need to go.
  1071. I am sorry, but I have a lot to do.
  1072.  
  1073.  
  1074. jp [4:42 AM]
  1075. Thank you.
  1076.  
  1077. tomothy
  1078. [4:42 AM]
  1079. Same, thanks for providing so many responses!
  1080.  
  1081. csw [4:42 AM]
  1082. Please, all I ask is do not follow me, a developer or anyone based on who they are. Look anytime, everytime on the solution, the effects and the trade-off.
  1083.  
  1084.  
  1085. bitsko [4:43 AM]
  1086. thank you for your thoughts!
  1087.  
  1088. csw [4:43 AM]
  1089. Please remember, this is a world of scarcity, there is always something that is a trade-off, a cost and we cannot just assume that a change comes without a cost.
  1090.  
  1091. [4:43]
  1092. Fair well.
  1093.  
  1094.  
  1095. jp [4:45 AM]
  1096. And he gone.
  1097.  
  1098. cypherblock [4:45 AM]
  1099. well that was interesting.
  1100.  
  1101. bitsko [4:46 AM]
  1102. :awesome: :ohyeah: :awesome: :ohyeah: :success: :success: :wut: :rocket:
  1103.  
  1104. norway [4:47 AM]
  1105. This is crazy.
  1106.  
  1107. tomothy
  1108. [4:47 AM]
  1109. Thanks for making that happen vlad
  1110.  
  1111. vlad2vlad [4:47 AM]
  1112. BOOM!!! Told you guys Dr Wright was the real deal!!!
  1113.  
  1114. tomothy
  1115. [4:47 AM]
  1116. I still expect some God damn fireworks though. That better not be the end of it.
  1117.  
  1118.  
  1119. vlad2vlad [4:47 AM]
  1120. I do what I do. ;p
  1121.  
  1122. [4:48]
  1123. I don't think that's the end of it. It's like core is gonna compromise.
  1124.  
  1125. tomothy
  1126. [4:48 AM]
  1127. We need that tabloid inquirer type juice too
  1128.  
  1129. jp [4:48 AM]
  1130. I told you were a working tool. Good one.
  1131.  
  1132. vlad2vlad [4:48 AM]
  1133. Lol.
  1134.  
  1135. tomothy
  1136. [4:48 AM]
  1137. LOL compromise LOL
  1138.  
  1139. vlad2vlad [4:48 AM]
  1140. Haha
  1141.  
  1142. norway [4:49 AM]
  1143. I like this one: "There are NO full non-mining nodes."
  1144.  
  1145.  
  1146. cypherblock [4:49 AM]
  1147. I thought his first post was interesting.
  1148.  
  1149. norway [4:50 AM]
  1150. Bitcoin mapped to current M1 makes a lot of sense.
  1151.  
  1152. vlad2vlad [4:50 AM]
  1153. Replace cash. Brilliant.
  1154.  
  1155. norway [4:51 AM]
  1156. M1 is not just physical cash. It's also spending accounts.
  1157.  
  1158. vlad2vlad [4:51 AM]
  1159. Yeah, cash equivalents
  1160.  
  1161. [4:52]
  1162. That was a solid showing
  1163.  
  1164. cypherblock [4:53 AM]
  1165. @vlad2vlad why did his first post here call out Scronty. Were you guys discussing him previously?
  1166. 2 replies Last reply today at 9:49 AM View thread
  1167.  
  1168. vlad2vlad [4:53 AM]
  1169. I don't think so. Not sure if someone else maybe mentioned him.
  1170.  
  1171. jp [4:54 AM]
  1172. Scronty is a wannabe wanker
  1173.  
  1174. vlad2vlad [4:54 AM]
  1175. Lol
  1176.  
  1177. jp [4:54 AM]
  1178. He even sent emails asking for 500k btc
  1179.  
  1180. norway [4:54 AM]
  1181. I made a calculation of potential bitcoin value a couple of years ago. I used M2 (Cash + spending accounts + savings accounts) as the basis. It's these pie charts: https://i.imgur.com/KA8CuED.png (231kB)
  1182.  
  1183. vlad2vlad [4:55 AM]
  1184. That guy messaged me telling me crazy stuff. Sounded desperate. Scammer type.
  1185.  
  1186. cypherblock [4:55 AM]
  1187. ah I see @cryptonaut posted question about Scronty. Scronty seems like a nice guy, either he is full of shit or he is not. Same as csw.
  1188.  
  1189. jp [4:57 AM]
  1190. Scronty sent emails demanding 500k btc
  1191.  
  1192. cypherblock [4:57 AM]
  1193. @jp please post
  1194.  
  1195. [4:58]
  1196. csw posted ~invalid~ faked, scammy satoshi signatures. (edited)
  1197.  
  1198. jp [4:58 AM]
  1199. uploaded this image: Screenshot_20170504-045821.png
  1200. Add Comment
  1201.  
  1202. vlad2vlad [4:58 AM]
  1203. Scronty told me he asked for 500k BTC. Said it was owed to him
  1204.  
  1205. jp [4:59 AM]
  1206. uploaded this image: Screenshot_20170504-045849.jpg
  1207. Add Comment
  1208.  
  1209. cypherblock [5:00 AM]
  1210. @jp didn’t look like a demand there, but that is semantics I suppose. Sounds like he was involved then? Can you confirm?
  1211.  
  1212. jp [5:00 AM]
  1213. Oh. It was a lot of rants prior that
  1214.  
  1215. [5:01]
  1216. Scronty was not involved. He is pissed off because he was not
  1217.  
  1218. [5:01]
  1219. Like you knew someone before he/she getting famous and now you jump up and down to tell people that you two were best friend forever lol
  1220.  
  1221. vlad2vlad [5:02 AM]
  1222. @jp are you Joseph?
  1223.  
  1224. cypherblock [5:02 AM]
  1225. Not involved at all? Didn’t help author the white paper or see any drafts of it prior to publication and give feedback on that?
  1226.  
  1227. jp [5:02 AM]
  1228. John Paterson
  1229.  
  1230. [5:02]
  1231. Not involved
  1232.  
  1233. [5:02]
  1234. You can write that fantasy novel too
  1235.  
  1236. [5:02]
  1237. By gathering public info and some studies
  1238.  
  1239. newliberty [5:03 AM]
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  1241.  
  1242. cypherblock [5:03 AM]
  1243. @jp who came up with using hashcash (yes I know you hate) pow? Was that csw?
  1244.  
  1245. tomothy
  1246. [5:03 AM]
  1247. NL this is slack text I wanted to send or link dunno how
  1248.  
  1249. jp [5:04 AM]
  1250. No. Hashcash was not used
  1251.  
  1252. [5:04]
  1253. It is why I raised this issue
  1254.  
  1255. cypherblock [5:04 AM]
  1256. double sha256 as pow then. who came up with that?
  1257.  
  1258. jp [5:04 AM]
  1259. Adam Back was surprised when he was credited
  1260.  
  1261. [5:05]
  1262. He kept wondering who was Satoshi because Adam back said solutions Satoshi put, wouldn't work
  1263.  
  1264. [5:05]
  1265. And here we re. Adam back tries to steal everything
  1266.  
  1267. [5:06]
  1268. Wei Dai helped
  1269.  
  1270. tomtomtom7 [5:06 AM]
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  1272.  
  1273. tomothy
  1274. [5:07 AM]
  1275. I think he might now be in http://btcchat.slack.com
  1276.  
  1277. [5:07]
  1278. If you have access
  1279.  
  1280. cypherblock [5:07 AM]
  1281. @jp but bitcoin does use double sha256 as proof of work, so there is some basis for referencing another work that also used that.
  1282.  
  1283. tomothy
  1284. [5:08 AM]
  1285. For those just joining and hoping to get some answers. Was just told he got there and is talking also
  1286.  
  1287. jp [5:08 AM]
  1288. Read Ddos resistance paper
  1289.  
  1290. tomothy
  1291. [5:08 AM]
  1292. Unless this is that slack... Lol I don't think it is though, right? To many slacks
  1293.  
  1294. cypherblock [5:08 AM]
  1295. @timothy this is btcchat yes.
  1296.  
  1297. jp [5:09 AM]
  1298. Hashcash was used for email spam
  1299.  
  1300. tomothy
  1301. [5:09 AM]
  1302. Oh. Damn, sorry NL.
  1303.  
  1304. jp [5:09 AM]
  1305. It was hashcash original purpose
  1306.  
  1307. cypherblock [5:09 AM]
  1308. @jp yes I am aware. I completely agree that bitcoin is far far different than hashcash
  1309.  
  1310. jp [5:10 AM]
  1311. Too much fantasy from email spam solution to bitcoin as Adam back claims. Totally scam
  1312.  
  1313. cypherblock [5:11 AM]
  1314. but still the concept of proof of work, of something that is easy to verify and hard to create is important. Adam came up with good solution for that and saw its use but obviously nothing like bitcoin.
  1315.  
  1316. vlad2vlad [5:11 AM]
  1317. JVP?? Man, Dr. Wright brought in the big strangers. Welcome, @newliberty
  1318.  
  1319. jp [5:11 AM]
  1320. If the whitepaper citations were done properly, actually credit properly then we wouldn't have blockstream Adam Back of today
  1321.  
  1322. [5:11]
  1323. But as Dr. Wright said, he could not see the future
  1324.  
  1325. [5:13]
  1326. Hal Finney, Dave Kleiman. Wei Dai were the team. If anyone else claimed to be a part of It and asking for money, it is scammer
  1327.  
  1328. vlad2vlad [5:15 AM]
  1329. @jp What about bear? I'm pretty sure he helped out early on
  1330.  
  1331. jp [5:16 AM]
  1332. I won't comment on that.
  1333.  
  1334. vlad2vlad [5:16 AM]
  1335. The answer is yes.
  1336.  
  1337. cypherblock [5:16 AM]
  1338. yeah who is bear? Sorry I mean I’m not familiar with that moniker, is he referenced elsewhere?
  1339.  
  1340. vlad2vlad [5:16 AM]
  1341. I actually talked to him a couple weeks ago about another project
  1342.  
  1343. [5:16]
  1344. Ray Dillinger
  1345.  
  1346. [5:17]
  1347. Maybe we can get him in here too. Bring back the whole team. Minus Hal, of course.
  1348.  
  1349. jp [5:17 AM]
  1350. Minus Dave K
  1351.  
  1352. vlad2vlad [5:17 AM]
  1353. Oops. Him too.
  1354.  
  1355. [5:18]
  1356. I've got Gavin's email. Gonna try him
  1357.  
  1358. jp [5:19 AM]
  1359. Adam Back should stop riding the bitcoin whitepaper coattail
  1360.  
  1361. vlad2vlad [5:20 AM]
  1362. I sent bear and Gavin and invite. Maybe we'll get a super dev slack going here.
  1363.  
  1364.  
  1365. awemany [5:25 AM]
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  1367.  
  1368. bitsko [5:27 AM]
  1369. Was trying to get full text with slack signup as title for a pastebin. Looks like i didnt get it all, now on cell and must work. :fearful:
  1370.  
  1371. travin [5:27 AM]
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  1373.  
  1374. cypherblock [5:29 AM]
  1375. @jp were you involved with early bitcoin? You are not jvp right? Sorry so many monikers to track.
  1376.  
  1377. jp [5:29 AM]
  1378. As Dr. Wright said, he is tired of having people saying that they worked with him.
  1379.  
  1380. tomothy
  1381. [5:29 AM]
  1382. Yeah also on mobile, Vlad maybe make a pastebin of today's excitement?
  1383. 1 reply Today at 5:31 AM View thread
  1384.  
  1385. jp [5:29 AM]
  1386. I am John Paterson
  1387.  
  1388. csw [5:30 AM]
  1389. No, I posted a link to read Satre.
  1390.  
  1391. Pinned by jp
  1392. Today at 5:32 AM Pinned by jp
  1393. [5:31]
  1394. Please read the following (translated) page for this:
  1395. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1964/12/17/sartre-on-the-nobel-prize/
  1396. The New York Review of Books
  1397. Sartre on the Nobel Prize
  1398. Jean-Paul Sartre explained his refusal to accept the Nobel Prize for Literature in a statement made to the Swedish Press on October 22, which appeared in Le Monde in a French translation approved by Sartre. The following translation into English was made by Richard Howard. I deeply regret the fact that the incident has become … (13kB)
  1399.  
  1400. vlad2vlad [5:32 AM]
  1401. I'm also on mobile. 4 years strong
  1402.  
  1403. xhiggy [5:33 AM]
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  1405.  
  1406. vlad2vlad [5:33 AM]
  1407. Now I remember reading that
  1408.  
  1409. awemany [5:34 AM]
  1410. csw, so what I am wondering, given the general hands-off attitude you seem to possess: why do you want to get involved with Bitcoin development again through nchain? Do you distrust the market? Or do you think the market simply includes you as a market participant as well, and it therefore should reflect your actions?
  1411.  
  1412. csw [5:34 AM]
  1413. East vs West, this is a cultural comment. It does not relate to what people see, but to order and anarchy. Neither is the way. Being a Libertarian is a means to allow free trade and market solutions, but it requires institutions.
  1414.  
  1415. [5:34]
  1416. The market is all I trust!
  1417.  
  1418. [5:35]
  1419. Am I being a wet blanket here, or does anyone understand the point of the Satre rejection letter?
  1420.  
  1421. [5:36]
  1422. There exists nothing to relate a free market based global money to. It is as a consequence of never truly having been free. The "Gold standard" was in fact a Gold exchange standard and worse, it was a BiMetalist system (edited)
  1423.  
  1424.  
  1425. newliberty [5:38 AM]
  1426. There've been a number of different gold standards, so there's not really a standard gold standard.
  1427.  
  1428. tomothy
  1429. [5:39 AM]
  1430. The point of the letter is apt and plainly similar. Thanks for sharing.
  1431.  
  1432. csw [5:39 AM]
  1433. Everyone seeks an authority. This is what BitCoin was created to bypass. We can all trade and we can do this as the market determines. Not as a consequence of a high priesthood, but through trial and error, failure and just sheer will to try and learn and fail again.
  1434.  
  1435. [5:40]
  1436. Satoshi has to be a myth. If you make me, or anyone a 'God', an infallible authority, then what is the point?
  1437.  
  1438.  
  1439. cypherblock [5:40 AM]
  1440. did you purposely want to undermine Gavin as a way to remove his authority as well? That seems a bit, well, rough.
  1441.  
  1442. charlieshrem [5:41 AM]
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  1444.  
  1445. charlieshrem [5:42 AM]
  1446. Hey
  1447. 2 replies Last reply today at 5:42 AM View thread
  1448.  
  1449. awemany [5:42 AM]
  1450. csw: yes that authority part makes a lot of sense and also why the creator had to hide. this is why I am wondering about your personal involvement again. is nchain going to be funded by early coins?
  1451.  
  1452. csw [5:42 AM]
  1453. Core should not tell you what to do. They need to propose and allow the market to decide. Bitcoin solves the issue of sock puppets in a manner analogous to the gambler at the roulette table. This means we propose and allow it to compete and to see what we can have, not as a centralised system but through many groups.
  1454.  
  1455. newliberty [5:42 AM]
  1456. Recognizing "Satoshi" ought be more about gratitude than authority seeking. Authorities are to be questioned.
  1457.  
  1458. csw [5:42 AM]
  1459. nChain is funded, but I will not discuss that. There are people in the group who will.
  1460.  
  1461. jp [5:42 AM]
  1462. Someone pastebin this chat pls. I'm on mobile
  1463.  
  1464. csw [5:43 AM]
  1465. Authority NEEDS to be questioned.
  1466.  
  1467.  
  1468. [5:43]
  1469. I study and I write. More than that I do not ask.
  1470.  
  1471. awemany [5:43 AM]
  1472. csw: ok. Core supporters often bring forward the 'alternative implementations are menace to the network' part - what did you mean by that, in light of 'many groups' above? (edited)
  1473.  
  1474. tomothy
  1475. [5:44 AM]
  1476. Newliberty did.
  1477.  
  1478. csw [5:44 AM]
  1479. They are a menace only to those who freely decide.
  1480.  
  1481. wellspenttime [5:44 AM]
  1482. joined #general. Also, @joeldalais joined.
  1483.  
  1484. csw [5:44 AM]
  1485. If you consider the flaw in BU, it was a loss to the miner, not to the protocol
  1486.  
  1487.  
  1488. charlieshrem [5:45 AM]
  1489. BU has too many issues to safely be considered the reference client.
  1490.  
  1491. csw [5:45 AM]
  1492. That should be encouraged. No transaction was lost and the overall system did not suffer, so why is this a problem generally?
  1493.  
  1494. [5:45]
  1495. Charlie, I do agree. But the solution does not need to be so difficult
  1496.  
  1497.  
  1498. charlieshrem [5:45 AM]
  1499. Agreed.
  1500.  
  1501. csw [5:46 AM]
  1502. And we can scale on and off chain at the same time
  1503.  
  1504.  
  1505. charlieshrem [5:46 AM]
  1506. Agreed as well.
  1507.  
  1508. [5:46]
  1509. I feel like good solutions have come alight, but are blocked/put down based on who their authors are.
  1510.  
  1511. csw [5:46 AM]
  1512. In the 8 years, Moore's law has held and will continue.
  1513.  
  1514. [5:49]
  1515. Did any of you know that a 2nm transistor was created. This was something considered impossible. It is lower than the 7nm Quantum tunnelling effect.
  1516.  
  1517. lunar [5:49 AM]
  1518. @csw . Good afternoon. I'm just one small cog in the Bitcoin Unlimited team, but we've been trying to solve the blocksize issue for several years now. I was interested in what you thought about the emergent consensus solution? The idea BU implements, by giving miners the tools to signal between each other and come to a free market driven determination of the blocksize commodity, with an adjustable block cap. Thanks
  1519.  
  1520. csw [5:49 AM]
  1521. This occurred in 2012.
  1522.  
  1523. [5:49]
  1524. I think that miners need to decide.
  1525.  
  1526.  
  1527. joeldalais [5:50 AM]
  1528. can i ask - what is nChain bringing to the table? will it be a new client implementation? actual development (instead of this stalling we've had for years)? new teams of programmers (seems you have a very strong team)? business solutions? end user solutions? or - a mix of everything and more? or don't worry if its too early to ask (edited)
  1529.  
  1530. csw [5:51 AM]
  1531. In 2009/10, the value of Bitcoin was far too low for flood control to work based on fees without a cap.
  1532.  
  1533. tomothy
  1534. [5:51 AM]
  1535. See above, not really discussing nchain
  1536.  
  1537. joeldalais [5:51 AM]
  1538. fair enough :slightly_smiling_face:
  1539.  
  1540. Pinned by jp
  1541. Today at 5:52 AM Pinned by jp
  1542. csw [5:51 AM]
  1543. I will not discuss the business side here sorry. There is a team who do that. I focus on code and maths
  1544.  
  1545. [5:51]
  1546. https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/main.cpp
  1547. GitHub
  1548. trottier/original-bitcoin
  1549. original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
  1550.  
  1551.  
  1552. [5:51]
  1553. Please have a quick look at the 0.1.3 and earlier code
  1554.  
  1555. joeldalais [5:51 AM]
  1556. ok, then i'll be quiet and soak up what knowledge i can :slightly_smiling_face:
  1557.  
  1558. csw [5:52 AM]
  1559. Lines 2249 as comments and on:
  1560.  
  1561. // Transaction fee requirements, mainly only needed for flood control
  1562. // Under 10K (about 80 inputs) is free for first 100 transactions
  1563. // Base rate is 0.01 per KB
  1564.  
  1565. [5:53]
  1566. It is simple to create a flood based fee system
  1567.  
  1568. newliberty [5:53 AM]
  1569. For QC threats over the coming years, Shor's algo for keys and Grover's for hashing are concerns, but they will hit most every other security protocol before they are problems for Bitcoin, so should ample be time to resolve, and the failures of others to learn from. I imagine these were design considerations? Care to comment on this?
  1570.  
  1571. csw [5:53 AM]
  1572. Offer a set amount for free and then have a capped value - not a limit, let TXs pay to be in if there are too many (as decided by the market and not a committee)
  1573.  
  1574. [5:54]
  1575. QC is bunk
  1576.  
  1577.  
  1578. [5:54]
  1579. Grover's algo means a large QC could solve a hash in a billion years or so... classical growth will solve this faster
  1580.  
  1581. [5:55]
  1582. As for Shor's, the rate of calculation would lead to a 110 or longer solution time when a private key has been exposed.
  1583.  
  1584. [5:55]
  1585. This means that a 20 billion USD system could solve for 3 keys a year.
  1586.  
  1587. [5:56]
  1588. As a consequence, large values could be moved to multiple keys or even to multi sig systems.
  1589.  
  1590. [5:56]
  1591. I have a paper being published in this area. It took time. I needed to study some more physics first.
  1592.  
  1593. satoshi [5:57 AM]
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  1595.  
  1596. awemany [5:57 AM]
  1597. what is "110 or longer"?
  1598.  
  1599. vlad2vlad [5:57 AM]
  1600. Oh look, Satoshi is here. Lol
  1601.  
  1602.  
  1603. [5:57]
  1604. This is getting good
  1605.  
  1606. newliberty [5:58 AM]
  1607. The double hashing resolves most the preimage issues, and one-time use of coins means there is only the window of time from transmission to mining to crack, so had guessed that these were considered from the beginning.
  1608.  
  1609. csw [5:58 AM]
  1610. At a discounted rate of 1 Billion USD a key per annum, the requirement would be that a key would need to have 100 BIT stored and to have a based value of 100 million USD per BTC to make attacking Bitcoin ECDSA keys valid.
  1611.  
  1612. [5:59]
  1613. More, the double hash means that the input to the hash needs to be of a set size. The collision problem allows for scaled solutions.
  1614.  
  1615. satoshi [5:59 AM]
  1616. I am not Satoshi.
  1617.  
  1618. csw [5:59 AM]
  1619. So, if you have a set number of collisions, you find that the possibility of a valid collision diminishes
  1620.  
  1621. vlad2vlad [6:00 AM]
  1622. For crying outloud @satoshi I thought you were. Lol
  1623.  
  1624. jp [6:01 AM]
  1625. Can we focus on the technical discussion here?
  1626.  
  1627.  
  1628. satoshi [6:01 AM]
  1629. What is the most productive thing the average user can do to support on-chain scaling?
  1630.  
  1631. csw [6:01 AM]
  1632. There are an estimated infinite number of collisions for any hash, but the size is indeterminate.
  1633.  
  1634. [6:02]
  1635. Satoshi, use bitcoin and call for real solutions. This is not 2 Mb. From 09 to now, systems have increased about 100x
  1636.  
  1637.  
  1638. [6:02]
  1639. In this time, we have not moved from a cap that was set for flood control at all.
  1640.  
  1641. freetrader [6:03 AM]
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  1643.  
  1644. csw [6:03 AM]
  1645. Can I ask people to look at the code comments in the 0.1.0 to 0.1.3 release.
  1646.  
  1647. joeldalais [6:03 AM]
  1648. its where its noted as 'flood control'?
  1649.  
  1650. csw [6:03 AM]
  1651. I think that it was rather clear, but then I have a habbit of losing people
  1652.  
  1653. [6:04]
  1654. Yes.
  1655.  
  1656. [6:04]
  1657. There should always be free TXs
  1658.  
  1659.  
  1660. joeldalais [6:04 AM]
  1661. people seem to gaze over that part and ignore it :disappointed:
  1662.  
  1663. csw [6:04 AM]
  1664. Where the idea of a cap should be is a market decided limit that is not stopped, but sold at value
  1665.  
  1666. [6:04]
  1667. Nobody reads the code comments :disappointed:
  1668.  
  1669. [6:05]
  1670. There was a 100 TB drive released in the last 6 months.
  1671.  
  1672. [6:06]
  1673. This i not a standard laptop addition, but the truth is that we are in a world were exponential scaling is occuring and against that we have a logistic one.
  1674.  
  1675. awemany [6:06 AM]
  1676. csw, tbh, you lost me with the above calculations. why is it '1 billion USD a key *per annum*?". Ialso do not understand " The collision problem allows for scaled solutions.". I assume that "More, the double hash means that the input to the hash needs to be of a set size." means that the input width is fixed for the 2nd SHA256? Why is that relevant and important?
  1677.  
  1678. newliberty [6:06 AM]
  1679. Storing the full chain costs about 0.001BTC worth of drive today
  1680.  
  1681.  
  1682. csw [6:07 AM]
  1683. Can I assume that people understand the distinction between a logistic and exponential growth system?
  1684.  
  1685. ajd [6:07 AM]
  1686. csw were you on IRC while you were developing Bitcoin?
  1687.  
  1688. joeldalais [6:07 AM]
  1689. i was looking at bandwidth+drive space (costs) some while back, the growth/cost over the last 15 years. It boggles my mind why people think this growth will suddenly stop, there is certainly room now and in the future.
  1690.  
  1691. csw [6:07 AM]
  1692. Shor is not the same as linear classical systems.
  1693.  
  1694. [6:08]
  1695. If you have a 20 Billion USD system, and you can factor 3 keys a year, a basic IRR means you come to a value a little over 1 billion USD for each key.
  1696.  
  1697. [6:09]
  1698. joeldalais, the Intel roadmap is strong for the next 2 decades.
  1699.  
  1700.  
  1701. tomtomtom7 [6:09 AM]
  1702. csw: Sorry if blunt, but could you comment on why you let Gavin vouch for you without going public with proof yourself?
  1703.  
  1704. csw [6:09 AM]
  1705. http://gizmodo.com/5807151/2-nanometer-quantum-transistors-are-the-worlds-smallest
  1706. Gizmodo
  1707. 2-Nanometer Quantum Transistors Are the World's Smallest
  1708. A team of scientists at Chungbuk National University in South Korea have created a transistor that&#39;s only 2nm in size, which happens to be the smallest in the world. By comparison, the current generation of Intel processors use 32nm transistors. (35kB)
  1709.  
  1710. [6:10]
  1711. Moving goal posts.
  1712.  
  1713. [6:10]
  1714. Tomx3+7, I had never wanted what occured and I had no plans to be an authority. I will not
  1715.  
  1716. [6:11]
  1717. I will be a scammer with ideas that go to market before I become something I detest and people wanted that. They dressed me in a bloody turtle neck!
  1718.  
  1719.  
  1720. [6:12]
  1721. I have NEVER worn a frikin turtle neck in my life. Like I was bloody jobs or something.
  1722.  
  1723.  
  1724. [6:12]
  1725. I made stupid decisions and I, as all do, have regrets.
  1726.  
  1727.  
  1728. joeldalais [6:13 AM]
  1729. its not that bad decisions are done, but how we act after that matters
  1730.  
  1731. csw [6:13 AM]
  1732. I am not good with people. This is difficult for me now. Vlad and others have pushed me to be here and to be frank it scares the shit out of me
  1733.  
  1734. 1 reply Today at 6:17 AM View thread
  1735.  
  1736. tomtomtom7 [6:14 AM]
  1737. thank you csw
  1738.  
  1739. joeldalais [6:14 AM]
  1740. great respect for being here at all :slightly_smiling_face:
  1741.  
  1742.  
  1743. jp [6:14 AM]
  1744. Incompleteness.
  1745.  
  1746. travin [6:14 AM]
  1747. Thanks for that, Craig. It's well-appreciated.
  1748.  
  1749. joeldalais [6:15 AM]
  1750. and for what its worth, i think you're doing fine here
  1751.  
  1752. csw [6:15 AM]
  1753. Ta
  1754.  
  1755. jp [6:17 AM]
  1756. csw: you are better with code and math.
  1757.  
  1758. csw [6:17 AM]
  1759. LOL
  1760.  
  1761. jp [6:18 AM]
  1762. Worked with you for 7 years so I know ;)
  1763.  
  1764. newliberty [6:23 AM]
  1765. Maybe we work up with some worthy competition in the next 7.
  1766.  
  1767. ajd [6:26 AM]
  1768. Have you changed your opinion on multiple implementations and if so why?
  1769.  
  1770. cypherblock [6:26 AM]
  1771. @csw how long did it take the write the original bitcoin source code?
  1772.  
  1773. csw [6:27 AM]
  1774. I am not going to play Satoshi. I am not wanting to have people think I am and I am going to imagine that nobody ever doxx'd me and that I am just some overqualified academic for the moment... ok?
  1775.  
  1776.  
  1777. tomothy
  1778. [6:28 AM]
  1779. Oh, what's the new masters you are getting?
  1780.  
  1781. ajd [6:28 AM]
  1782. OK. I'm asking csw that question.
  1783.  
  1784. jp [6:28 AM]
  1785. Csw is just a con artist and an asshole. Move along, nothing to see.
  1786.  
  1787.  
  1788. csw [6:28 AM]
  1789. The code should compete, but what matters is that there is a reference protocol
  1790.  
  1791.  
  1792. [6:29]
  1793. I am completing a MSc right now. It is in financial econometrics
  1794.  
  1795.  
  1796. [6:29]
  1797. Uni of London
  1798.  
  1799. joeldalais [6:29 AM]
  1800. hypothetical question .. do you think it would be possible to link 2 blockchains together via a 2nd layer (that ran the same algo). A 2nd layer that basically just read and fed back data from both chains?
  1801.  
  1802. csw [6:30 AM]
  1803. I have put in a proposal into Cambridge for another PhD in Pure Mathematics this time. I hope to start that in Oct
  1804. 1 reply Today at 6:31 AM View thread
  1805.  
  1806. libitx [6:30 AM]
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  1808.  
  1809. joeldalais [6:30 AM]
  1810. its a good uni, think one of my sisters went there
  1811.  
  1812. cypherblock [6:30 AM]
  1813. any thoughts on recent ext block proposals (or ext blocks in general with ability to move coins back and forth between main and ext)?
  1814.  
  1815. csw [6:30 AM]
  1816. I see issues, but this is not a place to discuss that.
  1817.  
  1818. [6:31]
  1819. There are too many problems with the discussion of complex issues in a few words. I have a few papers and I will be publishing again soon.
  1820.  
  1821. joeldalais [6:31 AM]
  1822. sounds good :slightly_smiling_face:
  1823.  
  1824. csw [6:31 AM]
  1825. People can read and accept or dismiss the arguments that I pose in those papers.
  1826.  
  1827. cypherblock [6:32 AM]
  1828. expected pub date? or too soon to say?
  1829.  
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  1833. csw [6:33 AM]
  1834. Peer review...
  1835.  
  1836. Pinned by jp
  1837. Today at 6:34 AM Pinned by jp
  1838. [6:34]
  1839. Some have been completed... peer review is a difficult mistress. Worse than my wife :slightly_smiling_face:
  1840.  
  1841.  
  1842. newliberty [6:34 AM]
  1843. Peers can be difficult to come by
  1844.  
  1845.  
  1846. awemany [6:37 AM]
  1847. csw, so I am still trying to parse your above comments on using shor to crack a priv key. what I do not understand where the double hash comes in? I only see the single rpemd160 one.
  1848.  
  1849. csw [6:38 AM]
  1850. Sha256
  1851.  
  1852. tomothy
  1853. [6:38 AM]
  1854. CSW, which alt should I buy tomorrow? (don't hurt me)
  1855.  
  1856.  
  1857. csw [6:39 AM]
  1858. :stuck_out_tongue:
  1859.  
  1860.  
  1861. jp [6:39 AM]
  1862. I guess it is Diem
  1863.  
  1864. awemany [6:39 AM]
  1865. ok, sure, SHA256. but where does that come into play in cracking priv/pub pairs?
  1866.  
  1867. newliberty [6:39 AM]
  1868. Guaranteed it will hurt if you do. Rumor is we are running out of bitcoins to buy.
  1869.  
  1870. csw [6:39 AM]
  1871. 2 sec
  1872.  
  1873.  
  1874. tomothy
  1875. [6:41 AM]
  1876. On a serious note, thoughts on Monero, or ZEC, similar coins & code (confidential transactions) with regards to anonymity? Is anonymity something you see being brought to bitcoin in the near/far future? I know blockchain analytics have significantly improved and coin taint can be a concern for some. I.e., BTC tumblers essentially no longer working.
  1877.  
  1878.  
  1879. vlad2vlad [6:41 AM]
  1880. @tomothy Nuggets!! Buy NUGS if you wanna be rich.
  1881.  
  1882. 26 replies Last reply today at 8:01 AM View thread
  1883.  
  1884. awemany [6:42 AM]
  1885. @tomothy : tumblers don't work, why is that?
  1886. 39 replies Last reply today at 7:27 AM View thread
  1887.  
  1888. klee [6:42 AM]
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  1890.  
  1891. awemany [6:43 AM]
  1892. @tomothy : monero is mostly BTC in constant tumbler mode and seems to be working fine, privacy wise. so I don't see how bitcoin is fundamentally lacking. Now, sure, most people do NOT anonymize their TXN because it is a PITA with the current tools, but I see no reason how BTC is lacking there in principle
  1893.  
  1894. Pinned by jp
  1895. Today at 6:44 AM Pinned by jp
  1896. csw [6:43 AM]
  1897. The reality is there is nothing to fear
  1898. Most importantly, bitcoin uses a double hashing algorithm. The results of this scenario is that any unused bitcoin address will not be reversible to the public key, let alone able to be attacked through a reversal of the ECDSA key pair. Algorithm such as Grover's algorithm (Grover, 1996) are touted as being able to speed up the searching through possible collisions in the reversing of hashing algorithms including SHA-256.
  1899. This algorithm is known to be at best a solution in BPP ( ), a class of decision problem that is decidable in polynomial time with an error probability bounded by 1/3 (for all inputs). The idea is that this error rate can be minimised or made to be exponentially small in 'k" using a process of iterating the algorithm 'k' times with the most frequent value returned as the result. This process ignores the noise of the quantum computer and reports an error rate based on the ideal system alone. Bennet et al. (1997) demonstrate how an ideal quantum Turning machine cannot find a solution to an NP problem in less than time . For SHA-256, this is time and is a far more difficult problem when the true problem, the solution of a bounded size hash to a hash puzzle is introduced. His conclusion was that “Anyone afraid of quantum hash-collision algorithms already has much more to fear from non-quantum hash-collision algorithms”.
  1900. More importantly, when Bernstein (2009, ) analysed the known quantum algorithms he demonstrated conclusively that “all the quantum-collision algorithms in the literature are steps backwards from the non-quantum algorithm of (Oorschot, et al. ). In other words, any attack on the hash functions of Bitcoin would be more effective using a classical computer.
  1901. Bitcoin is thus secure against (theoretical) quantum computer attacks against a key that has not been used. Once a transaction is signed and sent to the blockchain, an attacker can extract the public key. This is not a flaw in the algorithm but a standard part of the functioning of ECC and ECDSA based systems. The question is then, what is the cost to an attacker to break the ECDSA key itself?
  1902. Grover’s algorithm could be said to reduce the bit-security of such primitives by half; one might say that a 256-bit pre-quantum primitive offers only 128-bit security in a post-quantum setting. This is far too large to be broken on any QC any time in the foreseeable future. However, Bitcoin uses the Hash of a Hash. The combination of both SHA256 bit hashes of SHA256 values and the use of a 160Bit RipeMD hash of a SHA256 value for an address makes the analysis of bitcoin addresses to uncover the private key infeasible.
  1903. Attacking ECDSA with Shor
  1904. Let us for a moment assume that a working solution to the problem of creating logical qubits on a FTQC that can maintain coherence for long time periods can be achieved. We next need to note that Shor's algorithm is not simple and a Universal QC would need specialised breaks - you cannot just solve ECC in one hit as is suggested by many pundits.
  1905. The other common fallacy and assumption is that a FTQC will just factor the private key before you can spend. It is more probable that even a 1 million logical qubit FTQC system would likely take weeks or months to break 256 bit ECDSA keys.
  1906.  
  1907. [6:44]
  1908. On the basis of these numbers, performing a 2048-bit number Shor factorization will take on the order of 110 days and require a system size of 2 × 109 trapped ions.
  1909. Trapping 2 × 109 ions will require 23 × 23 vacuum chambers occupying an area of ca. 103.5 × 103.5 m2.
  1910.  
  1911. Pinned by jp
  1912. Today at 6:46 AM Pinned by jp
  1913. [6:44]
  1914. Bitcoin Mining.
  1915. As we noted from Bernstein’s (2009) results, quantum computers are slower at solving hash collision than are algorithms for the deployment on classical systems. Hence, there is no economic benefit for a miner to use Quantum Computers for the solution of hash puzzles as they would solve fewer hashes than a miner on a more traditional ASIC. This excludes the costs of the Quantum computer as well (which is significant) and does not consider the fact that qubits are slower to process than bits (Bernstein, 2009). The result is that a miner who was to deploy a Quantum computer for the mining of Bitcoin (if one was to ever exist in the first place) would be at an economic disadvantage to a miner using more traditional ASIC based systems.
  1916. Post-quantum cryptography ( ), a purported non-partisan site for the scientific dissemination of information concerning the effects of quantum computing on cryptography that is heavily used by partisan personalities including Vitalik Buterin, (co-founder of Ethereum) starts with the doom saying prophecy:
  1917. “"Imagine that it's fifteen years from now. Somebody announces that he's built a large quantum computer. RSA is dead. DSA is dead. Elliptic curves, hyperelliptic curves, class groups, whatever, dead, dead, dead. So users are going to run around screaming and say 'Oh my God, what do we do?'”
  1918. This false prophecy is clearly misleadingly designed to read as if it was a quote from Daniel Bernstein’s ( ) analysis. The removal of the line “The New York Times runs a frontpage article reporting that all of the public-key algorithms used to protect the Internet have been broken” changes the context where the author starts by stating, “A closer look reveals, however, that there is no justification for the leap from “quantum computers destroy RSA and DSA and ECDSA” to “quantum computers destroy cryptography.””
  1919. More importantly, no consideration of the costs and time in uncovering a private key has been announced. As Bernstein (2009 ) also demonstrated, the move to alternate hashing algorithms is unwarranted due to theoretical quantum computers even were they to become a reality.
  1920.  
  1921.  
  1922. So, please never listen to the FUD. Forget ideas such as Lamport Signatures. Bitcoin is as it is for a reason and the reason that these others who worry about science fiction did not create it is the reason we need to maintain it as the protocol was created.
  1923.  
  1924.  
  1925. [6:44]
  1926. Sorry... parts of a paper I am writing.
  1927.  
  1928. awemany [6:46 AM]
  1929. ok, thanks, let me digest that
  1930.  
  1931.  
  1932. tomothy
  1933. [6:50 AM]
  1934. CSW can you address thoughts regarding privacy concerns on the blockchain and comment on coins that attempt to address some of those issues? I mean, it's recognized that it's a "PUBLIC LEDGER" with "PUBLIC WALLETS" so... but still it's an interesting topic and I just wanted to see your thoughts.
  1935.  
  1936. [6:51]
  1937. Also, someone was wondering what your thoughts were about "vaults". Not sure if you've seen the article. http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/02/26/how-to-implement-secure-bitcoin-vaults/
  1938. Hacking Distributed
  1939. How to Implement Secure Bitcoin Vaults
  1940. We have come up with a simple and elegant technique for implementing hack-proof Bitcoin vaults, to deter Bitcoin thefts. (176kB)
  1941.  
  1942. csw [6:51 AM]
  1943. Threshold signatures.
  1944.  
  1945. csw [6:52 AM]
  1946. The problem with signatures is solvable using set theory. Anyone know about Cantor's use of diagonalism?
  1947. 5 replies Last reply today at 6:57 AM View thread
  1948.  
  1949. hankdasilva [6:54 AM]
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  1951.  
  1952. klee [6:54 AM]
  1953. I am the guy interested for the Vault thing
  1954.  
  1955. newliberty [6:54 AM]
  1956. Infinite sets comparisons
  1957.  
  1958. klee [6:55 AM]
  1959. and also if BitCoin blockchain was made transparent (regarding anonymity, privacy) by design
  1960.  
  1961. [6:55]
  1962. or was the best thought back in the day
  1963.  
  1964. awemany [6:56 AM]
  1965. csw, so I read the above, I see most parts of where you are coming from now and it makes sense. however, the only thing remaining is the double-hashing, which is unclear to me. what does it add in terms of security in terms of QC considerations? Grover's algo will work in sqrt(n) both for a single and a double hash and the double hashing is just a constant factor in time - no?
  1966.  
  1967. tomothy
  1968. [6:56 AM]
  1969. "jp [3 minutes ago]
  1970. csw: had a conversation with Dr. Conway about Cantor
  1971.  
  1972. tomothy [2 minutes ago]
  1973. JP does that have to do with anonymity or storing of txs
  1974.  
  1975. csw [1 minute ago]
  1976. Keys. And there are ways that you can make keys more private as well... but again, too much for slack
  1977.  
  1978. tomothy
  1979. [< 1 minute ago]
  1980. Thanks, will repost into slack as threads aren't stored easy."
  1981.  
  1982. newliberty [6:57 AM]
  1983. Surreal numbers, Conway worked on something related. JP met with him a while back
  1984.  
  1985. [6:57]
  1986. Not sure how it applies though
  1987.  
  1988. iang [6:58 AM]
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  1990.  
  1991.  
  1992. jp [6:58 AM]
  1993. Welcome Ian grigg
  1994.  
  1995. newliberty [6:59 AM]
  1996. This is a rich meal of food for thought
  1997.  
  1998. csw [6:59 AM]
  1999. Hello Ian.
  2000.  
  2001. iang [6:59 AM]
  2002. good morning all
  2003.  
  2004.  
  2005. jp [7:00 AM]
  2006. Our bloody buddy is here Ian.
  2007.  
  2008. csw [7:00 AM]
  2009. In distributed thresholds you have the (n+1) vs (2n+1) issue
  2010.  
  2011. [7:00]
  2012. Sorry, there is not a lot that can be explained in this without maths.
  2013.  
  2014. newliberty [7:02 AM]
  2015. Yes, it gives diagonalism, infinite sets which are not equal
  2016.  
  2017. vlad2vlad [7:03 AM]
  2018. Man, this channel is full of world class talent.
  2019.  
  2020.  
  2021. tomothy
  2022. [7:04 AM]
  2023. Do you think Grigg has been credited properly?
  2024.  
  2025. [7:04]
  2026. With regards to triple entry?
  2027.  
  2028. iang [7:05 AM]
  2029. lol. triple entry is a concept, it’s a bit difficult to just turn around and implement. A bit like smart contracts.
  2030.  
  2031. klee [7:05 AM]
  2032. https://youtu.be/4GuqlQvFYJo
  2033. YouTube Bitcoin News TV
  2034. Craig Wright Interview - Part 1 - 2014 - Satoshi?
  2035.  
  2036.  
  2037. luke-jr [7:07 AM]
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  2040. vlad2vlad [7:07 AM]
  2041. That video was GREAT!!!
  2042.  
  2043. [7:07]
  2044. Hey Luke!!
  2045.  
  2046. [7:07]
  2047. Glad you accepted my invite. :)
  2048.  
  2049. Pinned by jp
  2050. Today at 7:08 AM Pinned by jp
  2051. iang [7:07 AM]
  2052. if you look at the list of credits in the bitcoin paper, it’s very light - only 8. Misses out on the entire digital cash tradition which was a squillion references. Also, the paper wasn’t written for a conference - a thing that is a thing. There are these days a lot of papers that just don’t do the academic track.
  2053.  
  2054.  
  2055. vlad2vlad [7:08 AM]
  2056. Is it too late to get my name in the whitepaper? Just asking?
  2057.  
  2058. klee [7:08 AM]
  2059. $1570 at stamp
  2060. 18 replies Last reply today at 7:42 AM View thread
  2061.  
  2062. luke-jr [7:08 AM]
  2063. "IRC is disabled for your team. Ask your Team Owner to enable it."
  2064.  
  2065. klee [7:08 AM]
  2066. off topic?
  2067.  
  2068. awemany [7:09 AM]
  2069. @bitsko , was it you who set this up? maybe you can help @luke-jr ?
  2070.  
  2071. iang [7:10 AM]
  2072. What are the rules of engagement?
  2073.  
  2074. luke-jr [7:11 AM]
  2075. @iang Get married within months?
  2076.  
  2077. [7:11]
  2078. :stuck_out_tongue: (edited)
  2079.  
  2080. iang [7:11 AM]
  2081. @luke-jr … months? You want me in pain and trauma for months? can’t we make it days?
  2082.  
  2083. [7:12]
  2084. question I’ve never understood - what is the purpose of the double hash?
  2085.  
  2086. luke-jr [7:12 AM]
  2087. within != at
  2088.  
  2089. [7:12]
  2090. what double hash?
  2091.  
  2092. tomothy
  2093. [7:12 AM]
  2094. It's bitsko's slack. I'm pretty sure he's AFK. I don't know about the IRC stuff, never needed it in here...
  2095.  
  2096. awemany [7:12 AM]
  2097. @iang , agree on the double hash. there was some exchange with csw above on it regarding QC. I am really curious as well
  2098.  
  2099. iang [7:13 AM]
  2100. oh wait - scratch that I see there is something written above.
  2101.  
  2102. awemany [7:13 AM]
  2103. there is - but can you explain it to me? I am kind of lost. I don't see how it makes Grover's algo better in regards to QC, except for a constant factor
  2104.  
  2105. csw [7:14 AM]
  2106. Double hashing means that the input to one hash is limited to a set size. It means that the number of collisions is reduced to neatly zero from infinite,
  2107.  
  2108.  
  2109. luke-jr [7:15 AM]
  2110. oh, that. somehow I thought you meant twitter # hash :stuck_out_tongue:
  2111.  
  2112. iang [7:15 AM]
  2113. there’s a lot of twitter redundancy :wink:
  2114.  
  2115. jp [7:16 AM]
  2116. Luke-jr vs CSW scale debate ding ding ding. Everyone sit back.
  2117.  
  2118. Speak only if you are devs or important figures ( if u think u 're lol) (edited)
  2119.  
  2120. toodarkmark [7:16 AM]
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  2123. luke-jr [7:16 AM]
  2124. semi-AFK until IRC gets turned on
  2125.  
  2126. csw [7:16 AM]
  2127. OK. I am going to cut and paste. Email was easier on lists this thing open stuff all over
  2128.  
  2129. iang [7:17 AM]
  2130. (I am reading it)
  2131.  
  2132. Pinned by jp
  2133. Today at 7:32 AM Pinned by jp
  2134. csw [7:17 AM]
  2135. I want to see Bitcoin scale significantly and this means opening it up to merchants who will run a node in a back office.
  2136.  
  2137. To grow to be able to avoid government taking it over, we have to have 100s of thousands of globally dispersed systems.
  2138.  
  2139. This is possible. If you think of a Coffee shop, they have public keys on the PoS and a system in the Back office.
  2140.  
  2141. Each merchant will want to ensure that they have a TX propagated as fast as possible, in seconds really.
  2142.  
  2143. Bitcoin is not really a Gossip model, but it is the simplest way to explain this to CompSci people
  2144.  
  2145. It is an SEIR-C
  2146.  
  2147. This:
  2148. http://people.cs.vt.edu/naren/papers/wsdm2014-difnet-competing-cascades-agenda-setting-camera-ready.pdf
  2149.  
  2150. or https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-7015-9-87
  2151. That is the easiest way I can say it without code or maths.
  2152.  
  2153. If we create a system that opens to merchants and can operate as a PoS, the end is that we have a means to transfer wealth at lower costs than Visa and the banks
  2154.  
  2155. That makes us competitive and thus allows more people to enter and to allow scale.
  2156.  
  2157. With me so far?
  2158. There are over 1 million mid sized merchants and more when you take other trading entities.
  2159. We could out scale Visa with a larger growth factor with an upfront cost of the hardware at 20,000 USD or lower a year
  2160. In ten years, we could have a 20k system that can scale to encompass all global commerce.
  2161.  
  2162. In 20 years, the costs of this system would be under 500USD partity
  2163.  
  2164. There is so much more to it, but I cannot type it on the fly.
  2165. BMC Medicine
  2166. Simulation of an SEIR infectious disease model on the dynamic contact network of conference attendees
  2167. The spread of infectious diseases crucially depends on the pattern of contacts between individuals. Knowledge of these patterns is thus essential to inform models and computational efforts. However, there are few empirical studies available that provide estimates of the number and duration of contacts between social groups. Moreover, their space and time resolutions are limited, so that data are not explicit at the person-to-person level, and the dynamic nature of the contacts is disregarded. In Show more… (40kB)
  2168.  
  2169.  
  2170. awemany [7:19 AM]
  2171. csw: ok, on the double-hashing, still working on grokking it. so basically you say: SHA256(random-length-bit-string) has potentially a lot more collisions than SHA256(256-bit-long-string)?
  2172.  
  2173. csw [7:19 AM]
  2174. SHA256 has an infinite number of collisions
  2175.  
  2176. awemany [7:19 AM]
  2177. because of the infinite bitstream length you can put into it?
  2178.  
  2179. csw [7:19 AM]
  2180. But, choosing a particular collision is what the problem is
  2181.  
  2182. [7:20]
  2183. Yes, It is an Aleph 1 problem
  2184.  
  2185. [7:20]
  2186. That is a second level Cantor set
  2187.  
  2188. tula [7:21 AM]
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  2191. csw [7:21 AM]
  2192. This is a class of sets in infinitarity problems (there is not one type of infinity but I cannot explain it here if you do not get it)
  2193.  
  2194. joeldalais [7:21 AM]
  2195. the 20k a year .. i think smaller businesses would find the savings really appealing (allowing them to grow), but the 20k is putting up a bit of a barrier for them... perhaps it could be 20k over X time?
  2196.  
  2197. iang [7:21 AM]
  2198. ok, I’ll re-read the hash commentary later, but the tl;dr is that it addresses weaknesses from QC. My immediate knee-jerk is that if QC is in place we’ve got many many other problems to worry about … but sure.
  2199.  
  2200. freetrader [7:21 AM]
  2201. I'm having a problem seeing the 'reduces collisions to zero'.
  2202. Is that proven math?
  2203. 4 replies Last reply today at 7:27 AM View thread
  2204.  
  2205. newliberty [7:21 AM]
  2206. Countable and uncountable infinities
  2207.  
  2208. joeldalais [7:21 AM]
  2209. optional 20k over X time, bigger businesses would be fine
  2210.  
  2211. csw [7:21 AM]
  2212. Joeld... There can be companies that serve companies
  2213.  
  2214. joeldalais [7:22 AM]
  2215. ahh yes, i see what you mean
  2216.  
  2217. csw [7:22 AM]
  2218. This way, the back office PoS can be distributed for smaller companies
  2219.  
  2220. [7:22]
  2221. Well, actually there are both an infinity of countable and uncountable infinities.
  2222.  
  2223. [7:22]
  2224. It send Cantor mad... literally
  2225.  
  2226. joeldalais [7:23 AM]
  2227. an infinite infinities :slightly_smiling_face: people used to give me weird looks when i used to say that about bitcoin
  2228.  
  2229. newliberty [7:23 AM]
  2230.  
  2231. freetrader: preimaging a hash for a collision with a dataset of unbounded size is a much easier problem than doing so with a fixed size
  2232.  
  2233.  
  2234. csw [7:23 AM]
  2235. NL... not zero, 2 as a maxima
  2236.  
  2237.  
  2238. awemany [7:23 AM]
  2239. csw, I see no aleph1 anywhere? all I see is that sha256^2 reduces from alelph0 to uint256 in the middle between the hashes?
  2240.  
  2241. freetrader [7:23 AM]
  2242. @newliberty : sure, but if anyone has proven that there are 'zero' SHA256 collisions on input size of 256 bits, I'd like to know
  2243. 3 replies Last reply today at 7:28 AM View thread
  2244.  
  2245. csw [7:23 AM]
  2246. But, the collisions are infeasible to solve
  2247.  
  2248. joeldalais [7:23 AM]
  2249. i can see a chain of businesses forming to create what you're talking about...
  2250.  
  2251. pesa [7:23 AM]
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  2253.  
  2254. csw [7:25 AM]
  2255. Awe.. the Aleph 1 comes from an unbounded set of input functions. That is not the case when a single hash is input to a hash
  2256.  
  2257. [7:26]
  2258. Freetrader. Yes, the maths to prove the reduction is proven and not just by axiomic conditions that are not completely determined.
  2259.  
  2260. newliberty [7:26 AM]
  2261. "Nearly zero" (though I think he misspelled it as neatly zero)
  2262.  
  2263. awemany [7:26 AM]
  2264. where does the unbounded set of input functions come from?
  2265. 11 replies Last reply today at 7:38 AM View thread
  2266.  
  2267. csw [7:27 AM]
  2268. In the input to a hash function, the standard calls for a stream. That stream can be of any form
  2269.  
  2270. newliberty [7:27 AM]
  2271. awemany: If there were sha256 not 2sha256
  2272.  
  2273. awemany [7:28 AM]
  2274. csw, right, but the closure of that is just aleph0?
  2275.  
  2276. csw [7:28 AM]
  2277. Yes, or lower when you bound the input
  2278.  
  2279. [7:29]
  2280. A stream is an unbounded set.
  2281.  
  2282. [7:29]
  2283. Note that this is in itself not infinite. That is finite but unbounded. Add to that infinite and the set increases again.
  2284.  
  2285. [7:30]
  2286. Joel... Yes, and in a set of companies and businesses, we create a system that can self regulate and grow.
  2287.  
  2288.  
  2289. awemany [7:31 AM]
  2290. but all the streams I actually can hash appear to be strictly enumerable? it is not like SHA256 works on *infinite* streams?
  2291.  
  2292. checksum0 [7:31 AM]
  2293. joined #general. Also, @mastodon joined.
  2294.  
  2295. csw [7:32 AM]
  2296. SHA256 works on infinite the same way any machine works on infinite... You never halt and hence it is never solved in real time. It is in the conceptual infinite
  2297.  
  2298. [7:33]
  2299. We have a distinction here between an implemented system and a mathematically possible state.
  2300.  
  2301. awemany [7:33 AM]
  2302. ok. fair enough. i can see that now. thanks!
  2303.  
  2304. joeldalais [7:33 AM]
  2305. when i thought that i couldn't have anymore 'epiphany' moments in bitcoin, another occurs :slightly_smiling_face: ty csw
  2306.  
  2307.  
  2308. csw [7:34 AM]
  2309. This is going to get me in so much trouble. I know it.
  2310.  
  2311. joeldalais [7:34 AM]
  2312. :smile:
  2313.  
  2314. [7:34]
  2315. nah, we've been lucky so far, no trolls, its been good sensible talking :slightly_smiling_face:
  2316.  
  2317. odindillinger [7:35 AM]
  2318. joined #general
  2319.  
  2320. csw [7:35 AM]
  2321. If we now start to look at network propagation models. In epidemic modelling we have giant nodes at the point of decision between competing epidemics
  2322.  
  2323.  
  2324. iang [7:35 AM]
  2325. r any changes necessary to base protocol to go to coffeechain?
  2326.  
  2327. jp [7:35 AM]
  2328. It is Hidden Markov Chain
  2329.  
  2330. csw [7:35 AM]
  2331. These are able to be made into propagation systems. Routers you may say.
  2332.  
  2333. [7:35]
  2334. Yes, the cap needs to be lifted.
  2335.  
  2336.  
  2337. iang [7:35 AM]
  2338. (I’m not familiar with the argument as to how this is done… just trying to divide and conquer…)
  2339.  
  2340. [7:36]
  2341. Ah, that’s easy.
  2342.  
  2343. csw [7:36 AM]
  2344. https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a994391d148733da77e2bbc2f4acc43cd/src/main.cpp#L2249
  2345. GitHub
  2346. trottier/original-bitcoin
  2347. original-bitcoin - This is a historical repository of Satoshi Nakamoto's original bitcoin sourcecode
  2348.  
  2349.  
  2350. iang [7:36 AM]
  2351. :upside_down_face:
  2352.  
  2353. csw [7:36 AM]
  2354. The early code (commented) notes what is needed for flood control
  2355.  
  2356. awemany [7:37 AM]
  2357. csw, ok thanks you cleared this up, I think. to restate to figure out whether I got this: basically, you do the double hashing pretty much to make further analysis of the hash function - if taken as a black box - easier?
  2358.  
  2359. csw [7:38 AM]
  2360. A double hash reduces the input to a hash and makes collisions infeasible
  2361.  
  2362. [7:38]
  2363. MD5, SHA1...
  2364.  
  2365. [7:38]
  2366. All of this goes away when you have a hash of a hash
  2367.  
  2368. [7:39]
  2369. That means that when there is a flaw in the code, the hash function I should say, you end with enough time to migrate away and to another and even those who are left do not have a more than nominal chance of compromise
  2370.  
  2371. awemany [7:41 AM]
  2372. ok, thanks, I think I get the idea now. there's still nothing that proves SHA256 is surjective, however, or is there?
  2373.  
  2374. iang [7:41 AM]
  2375. In late 2000s this was a thing, post Shandong 2004.
  2376.  
  2377. chritchens [7:41 AM]
  2378. joined #general
  2379.  
  2380. csw [7:41 AM]
  2381. No, SHA256 has not been proven in all cases
  2382.  
  2383. [7:42]
  2384. So, there can be a particular SHA256 hash that maps to many 256 bit values
  2385.  
  2386. csw [7:43 AM]
  2387. uploaded this image: image.png
  2388. Add Comment
  2389.  
  2390. csw [7:43 AM]
  2391. Wow. This lets me post math images :slightly_smiling_face:
  2392.  
  2393. [7:44]
  2394. So, no, SHA 256 has not been proven surjective... That image above. There are axioms that need to be proven for this to hold
  2395.  
  2396. ajd [7:44 AM]
  2397. from wikipedia?
  2398.  
  2399. csw [7:44 AM]
  2400. Yes :slightly_smiling_face:
  2401.  
  2402. ajd [7:44 AM]
  2403. :smile:
  2404.  
  2405. csw [7:44 AM]
  2406. I could not get it to take Latex
  2407.  
  2408. csw [7:45 AM]
  2409. Can you do latex in this?
  2410. 1 reply Today at 7:45 AM View thread
  2411.  
  2412. awemany [7:45 AM]
  2413. so... that would get worse with double hashing, it potentially reduces the size of the output set. do you have any discussion on that trade-off?
  2414.  
  2415. csw [7:45 AM]
  2416. Not that I can really do justice to here
  2417.  
  2418. [7:46]
  2419. Does this thing have a whiteboard or something similar?
  2420.  
  2421. wpalczynski [7:46 AM]
  2422. joined #general
  2423.  
  2424. newliberty [7:46 AM]
  2425. No whiteboard in slack
  2426.  
  2427. csw [7:46 AM]
  2428. :disappointed:
  2429.  
  2430. newliberty [7:46 AM]
  2431. https://www.codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php
  2432. codecogs.com
  2433. Online LaTeX Equation Editor - create, integrate and download
  2434. HTML LaTeX equation editor that creates graphical equations (gif, png, swf, pdf, emf). Produces code for directly embedding equations into HTML websites, forums or blogs. Images may also be dragged into other applications like Word. Open source and XHTML compliant.
  2435.  
  2436. wpalczynski [7:47 AM]
  2437. hey!!
  2438.  
  2439. jp [7:47 AM]
  2440. You can livestream using 3rd app
  2441.  
  2442. klee [7:47 AM]
  2443. https://github.com/sand500/SlackLateX
  2444. GitHub
  2445. sand500/SlackLateX
  2446. SlackLateX - Bot that posts posts Latex pictures
  2447.  
  2448.  
  2449. csw [7:48 AM]
  2450. Got those, but no way to draw directly.
  2451.  
  2452. bicmac1973 [7:49 AM]
  2453. joined #general
  2454.  
  2455. klee [7:50 AM]
  2456. Just paste the captioned image (from elsewhere)
  2457.  
  2458. [7:50]
  2459. for me is the fastest way (edited)
  2460.  
  2461. csw [7:51 AM]
  2462. I will but answering on the fly is not so easy in latex :slightly_smiling_face:
  2463.  
  2464. coinspeak
  2465. [7:51 AM]
  2466. joined #general
  2467.  
  2468. jp [7:51 AM]
  2469. Please consider doing some whiteboard videos in the future.
  2470.  
  2471. joeldalais [7:52 AM]
  2472. there's a paid sketch board thing for slack, but doubt this slack has it :disappointed:
  2473.  
  2474. csw [7:53 AM]
  2475. I have a big electronic whiteboard, but I do not think it has a slack plug
  2476.  
  2477.  
  2478. tomothy
  2479. [7:54 AM]
  2480. pretty sure bitsko's sleeping or at work, he mentioned it hours ago :confused:
  2481.  
  2482. jp [7:54 AM]
  2483. New slack ICO - decentralized whiteboard function included
  2484.  
  2485. tomothy
  2486. [7:54 AM]
  2487. ( I think work) (so can't add functions or change things currently)
  2488.  
  2489. satoshi [7:54 AM]
  2490. Ha!
  2491.  
  2492. joeldalais [7:54 AM]
  2493. https://sketchboard.io/pricing - for future reference (edited)
  2494.  
  2495.  
  2496. csw [7:55 AM]
  2497. Yep
  2498.  
  2499. [7:55]
  2500. Got it
  2501.  
  2502. [7:55]
  2503. I need to run in a moment.
  2504. Other questions
  2505.  
  2506. iang [7:56 AM]
  2507. Which institutions do you think should emerge?
  2508.  
  2509. [7:56]
  2510. I for one have promoted the idea of Arbitration (complicated I know) … but there are many possibilities. (edited)
  2511.  
  2512.  
  2513. csw [7:56 AM]
  2514. Many, but this is also a market function. Arbitration is a good one as it is possible to contract law.
  2515.  
  2516. wings [7:56 AM]
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  2518.  
  2519. tomothy
  2520. [7:57 AM]
  2521. When are you coming back again? :smile:
  2522.  
  2523. csw [7:57 AM]
  2524. That is, you can agree on an arbitrator and make the contract conditional on that role. This then replaces the role of the court and in Rothbardian terms allows for the democratisation of the justice system
  2525.  
  2526. satoshi [7:57 AM]
  2527. Thanks for answering questions Craig. It went surprisingly well I think. Amazing what can be accomplished in the absence of trolling.
  2528.  
  2529. jp [7:58 AM]
  2530. LukeJr missed the debate. I pinned Dr. Wright scale comments here. Expect to see Luke Jr reaponse.
  2531.  
  2532.  
  2533. iang [7:58 AM]
  2534. There’s also the possibility of moving direct voting into the system - create an ability for people holding BTC to vote on a proposal. As the proposal wins some form of majority, it leads the direction on changes.
  2535.  
  2536.  
  2537. craig_s_wright [7:58 AM]
  2538. joined #general
  2539.  
  2540.  
  2541. megalodon
  2542. [7:58 AM]
  2543. lol
  2544.  
  2545. csw [7:58 AM]
  2546. I have a doppelganger it seems :slightly_smiling_face:
  2547.  
  2548.  
  2549. satoshi [7:59 AM]
  2550. So many Craigs, so little time.
  2551.  
  2552. megalodon
  2553. [7:59 AM]
  2554. will the real Craig Wright please stand up
  2555.  
  2556. craig_s_wright [7:59 AM]
  2557. Hi guys
  2558.  
  2559. checksum0 [7:59 AM]
  2560. And cue the trolls...
  2561.  
  2562. freetrader [7:59 AM]
  2563. lesson on identity
  2564.  
  2565. iang [8:00 AM]
  2566. brands are such fun… everyone should have one
  2567.  
  2568. tomothy
  2569. [8:00 AM]
  2570. But seriously, I'm sure there will be some interesting responses to a lot of your comments here today. You've provided a lot of food for thought. If I pester Vlad enough do you think you can make another appearance? :smile:
  2571.  
  2572. csw [8:00 AM]
  2573. Yes.
  2574.  
  2575.  
  2576. [8:00]
  2577. If we keep it civil
  2578.  
  2579. craig_s_wright [8:00 AM]
  2580. congrats on matonis
  2581.  
  2582. jp [8:00 AM]
  2583. Mod here will purge trollers and craig_s_wright
  2584.  
  2585. csw [8:01 AM]
  2586. Thanks Craig :slightly_smiling_face:
  2587.  
  2588.  
  2589. bicmac1973 [8:01 AM]
  2590. hi guys and gals, nice to be here. Let me stress that I am absolutely not craig wright!
  2591.  
  2592. jesse [8:01 AM]
  2593. joined #general
  2594.  
  2595. csw [8:01 AM]
  2596. LOL BicM...
  2597.  
  2598. craig_s_wright [8:01 AM]
  2599. I'm actually a famous craig_s_wright, and I wouldn't mind staying in this chat as craig_s_wright. nowhere do I claim to be the "real" Craig S Wright
  2600.  
  2601. csw [8:02 AM]
  2602. Well, there are a good number of Craig Wrights :slightly_smiling_face:
  2603.  
  2604. daniweav [8:02 AM]
  2605. joined #general
  2606.  
  2607. wings [8:02 AM]
  2608. be serious guys...talk on topic only plz
  2609.  
  2610. craig_s_wright [8:02 AM]
  2611. I'm going to bid 900 BTC on bitstamp right now
  2612.  
  2613. iang [8:02 AM]
  2614. ok … so here’s a rhetorical. What innovations post-2009 from the ideas / literature would have been good to put in, if only?
  2615.  
  2616. daniweav [8:02 AM]
  2617. Hello, newbie here. :baby_bottle:
  2618.  
  2619. [8:02]
  2620. Nice to meet you all. :slightly_smiling_face:
  2621.  
  2622. vlad2vlad [8:03 AM]
  2623. @bitsko time to come back!!!
  2624.  
  2625. csw [8:03 AM]
  2626. Another time Ian.
  2627.  
  2628. iang [8:03 AM]
  2629. k
  2630.  
  2631. tomothy
  2632. [8:03 AM]
  2633. Alright, well thank you for your time today CSW. I'm sure we can waste your time all day. Hope we get to do this again in a bit.
  2634.  
  2635.  
  2636. csw [8:03 AM]
  2637. I do need to go. Sorry.
  2638.  
  2639.  
  2640. joeldalais [8:03 AM]
  2641. i'm off for now, was great chatting, a lot of thanks to csw :+1: have a good one all
  2642.  
  2643. satoshi [8:03 AM]
  2644. Bye Craig. Ignore the trolls and keep working.
  2645.  
  2646. tomothy
  2647. [8:03 AM]
  2648. Thanks again for staying as long as you did. Greatly appreciated you sticking around to address all the additional comments.
  2649.  
  2650. craig_s_wright [8:03 AM]
  2651. I can take over for you @csw
  2652.  
  2653. daniweav [8:03 AM]
  2654. So many craig s wrights :dizzy_face:
  2655.  
  2656. jp [8:03 AM]
  2657. Fuck off
  2658.  
  2659. [8:04]
  2660. Where is mod?
  2661.  
  2662. daniweav [8:04 AM]
  2663. I'm very confused... Can someone help me?
  2664.  
  2665. satoshi [8:04 AM]
  2666. csw = Craig
  2667.  
  2668. tomothy
  2669. [8:04 AM]
  2670. Bitsko's at work. Please make a pastebin of texts
  2671.  
  2672. satoshi [8:04 AM]
  2673. My pastebin is updated.
  2674.  
  2675. tomothy
  2676. [8:04 AM]
  2677. If we play well and are polite maybe we get to do this again another time.
  2678.  
  2679. [8:04]
  2680. Thanks Satoshi. Can you share a link for those that just joined?
  2681.  
  2682. daniweav [8:04 AM]
  2683. Hmm... I'm going to squelch myself and observe. :thinking_face: :bow: please forgive me.
  2684.  
  2685. tomothy
  2686. [8:04 AM]
  2687. Do you have the early morning discussion as well? Or evening/afternoon depending on timezone?
  2688.  
  2689. Pinned by jp
  2690. Today at 8:05 AM Pinned by jp
  2691. satoshi [8:05 AM]
  2692. https://pastebin.com/zU6YZWXK
  2693. Pastebin
  2694. Craig Wright Q&A on Slack - Pastebin.com (19kB)
  2695.  
  2696.  
  2697. awemany [8:05 AM]
  2698. thanks!
  2699.  
  2700. satoshi [8:05 AM]
  2701. I'm going back to add discussion prior to csw joining. I have it in another notepad.
  2702.  
  2703. awemany [8:06 AM]
  2704. and make it an rbtc post. I am really wondering what nullc finds to pick apart
  2705.  
  2706. tomothy
  2707. [8:06 AM]
  2708. Alright Vlad, back to throwing mud at one another!
  2709.  
  2710. vlad2vlad [8:07 AM]
  2711. Hahaha. Awesome
  2712.  
  2713. [8:07]
  2714. All that tech talk. We can go back to talking about cats and Transylvania
  2715.  
  2716. [8:07]
  2717. The important stuff
  2718.  
  2719. tomothy
  2720. [8:07 AM]
  2721. and vampires, so many vampires
  2722.  
  2723. iang [8:08 AM]
  2724. 2nm ??? f**k
  2725.  
  2726. craig_s_wright [8:08 AM]
  2727. His stuff reads like /r/iamverysmart
  2728.  
  2729. jp [8:08 AM]
  2730. Fuck off craig_s_wright
  2731.  
  2732.  
  2733. Pinned by jp
  2734. Today at 8:08 AM Pinned by jp
  2735. travin [8:08 AM]
  2736. I have also updated my pastebin now - https://pastebin.com/5A7Awrmd
  2737. Pastebin
  2738. Craig Wright Q&A btcchat.slack.com - Pastebin.com (19kB)
  2739.  
  2740. [8:08]
  2741. Thanks to @satoshi for doing the same. :slightly_smiling_face:
  2742.  
  2743. [8:10]
  2744. Mine is just the start at 10:00 CEST. With the first question from christopher (edited)
  2745.  
  2746. satoshi [8:12 AM]
  2747. Thanks Travin.
  2748.  
  2749.  
  2750. craig_s_wright [8:15 AM]
  2751. If I say that 1) I am not really Craig S Wright and 2) I don't believe that the real Craig S Wright is Satoshi, can I stay here? :muscle:
  2752.  
  2753. tomothy
  2754. [8:15 AM]
  2755. I think CSW or JP discussed original team members before in pastebin
  2756.  
  2757. [8:15]
  2758. early on in discussion
  2759.  
  2760. [8:16]
  2761. we've got vlad and bruce here so, :smile:
  2762.  
  2763. [8:17]
  2764. :heart:
  2765.  
  2766. checksum0 [8:17 AM]
  2767. @craig_s_wright You saw this conversation was happening by being linked to it so you damn well knew what was going on here and you still decided to sign up with that name and you expect people to not believe you are a goddamn troll?
  2768.  
  2769. craig_s_wright [8:18 AM]
  2770. It is a poorly chosen username, I admit.
  2771.  
  2772. tomothy
  2773. [8:18 AM]
  2774. whale, not troll...
  2775.  
  2776. [8:18]
  2777. another pastebin copy
  2778.  
  2779. [8:18]
  2780. https://pastebin.com/5A7Awrmd
  2781.  
  2782. [8:19]
  2783. nm, already posted :smile:
  2784.  
  2785. bitcoindevotee [8:19 AM]
  2786. joined #general
  2787.  
  2788. prometheus [8:20 AM]
  2789. Greetings, everyone! What a wonderful chat session with CSW. Thank you for setting this up @bitsko and @vlad2vlad . I do hope CSW will return for another Q&A. I'd love to hear him answer more questions about the original code and his future vision of BTC.
  2790.  
  2791.  
  2792. vlad2vlad [8:22 AM]
  2793. We'll make it happen - it was too good to not do it again. :)
  2794.  
  2795.  
  2796. tomothy
  2797. [8:22 AM]
  2798. Quick, cat pictures or mud slinging!
  2799.  
  2800. craig_s_wright [8:22 AM]
  2801. Stop listening to Craig S Wright, he is a phony and wants your money.
  2802.  
  2803. vlad2vlad [8:23 AM]
  2804. @bitsko give me mod power. I need to smash some trolls.
  2805.  
  2806. craig_s_wright [8:23 AM]
  2807. don't be part of the problem, be part of the answer
  2808.  
  2809. daniweav [8:34 AM]
  2810. The solution* answers can be wrong. :neutral_face:
  2811.  
  2812. deadsea33 [8:47 AM]
  2813. joined #general. Also, @peggy joined, @macsga joined, @satoshi420 joined.
  2814.  
  2815. macsga [8:55 AM]
  2816. greetings
  2817.  
  2818.  
  2819. [8:57]
  2820. all the nice people here
  2821.  
  2822. alp
  2823. [9:01 AM]
  2824. how do we know this is real csw?
  2825.  
  2826. [9:01]
  2827. any verification?
  2828.  
  2829. bitsko [9:01 AM]
  2830. Nothing to see here alp
  2831.  
  2832. tomothy
  2833. [9:01 AM]
  2834. E-mail linked to his slack, text of discussion.
  2835.  
  2836. [9:02]
  2837. It can't possibly be him. He clearly was just making things up as he went along.
  2838.  
  2839. [9:02]
  2840. I paid my brother to make a fake e-mail address and spought smart sounding stuff.
  2841.  
  2842. [9:02]
  2843. ...
  2844.  
  2845. bitsko [9:02 AM]
  2846. :dove_of_peace:
  2847.  
  2848. tomothy
  2849. [9:03 AM]
  2850. But maybe it is... (Of course it is!)
  2851.  
  2852. bitsko [9:03 AM]
  2853. :ohyeah:
  2854.  
  2855. klee [9:03 AM]
  2856. :aa:
  2857.  
  2858. vlad2vlad [9:05 AM]
  2859. @alp ohhh, you missed it
  2860.  
  2861. [9:05]
  2862. Here's the pastebin for you
  2863.  
  2864. tomothy
  2865. [9:06 AM]
  2866. no pastebin...
  2867.  
  2868. [9:06]
  2869. probably because it's already been posted? can you redirect link to it or something?
  2870.  
  2871. macsga [9:06 AM]
  2872. https://pastebin.com/5A7Awrmd
  2873.  
  2874. vlad2vlad [9:06 AM]
  2875. https://pastebin.com/5A7Awrmd
  2876.  
  2877. tomothy
  2878. [9:07 AM]
  2879. nm :smile:
  2880.  
  2881. alp
  2882. [9:07 AM]
  2883. I saw the pastebin
  2884.  
  2885. [9:07]
  2886. havent gone through it all
  2887.  
  2888. [9:07]
  2889. but how was he verified?
  2890.  
  2891. macsga [9:07 AM]
  2892. pretty serious stuff were spoken in there, among those is that who is SN doesn't really matter
  2893.  
  2894. alp
  2895. [9:07 AM]
  2896. well csw is a fraud so of course he makes stuff up
  2897.  
  2898. macsga [9:08 AM]
  2899. that's one way to see this
  2900.  
  2901. alp
  2902. [9:08 AM]
  2903. who is jp?
  2904.  
  2905. [9:08]
  2906. jvp?
  2907.  
  2908. macsga [9:08 AM]
  2909. the other is to patiently check the text
  2910.  
  2911. [9:08]
  2912. God and Jesus Christ
  2913.  
  2914. [9:08]
  2915. (respectively)
  2916.  
  2917. norway [9:08 AM]
  2918. Homework for @alp
  2919.  
  2920. macsga [9:08 AM]
  2921. does it matter?
  2922.  
  2923. [9:08]
  2924. :slightly_smiling_face:
  2925.  
  2926. alp
  2927. [9:09 AM]
  2928. yall get bamboozled?
  2929.  
  2930. norway [9:09 AM]
  2931. Maybe
  2932.  
  2933. macsga [9:09 AM]
  2934. definitely
  2935.  
  2936. alp
  2937. [9:10 AM]
  2938. fake fake satoshi pretends to be fake satoshi lol
  2939.  
  2940. norway [9:10 AM]
  2941. Thanks for sharing, @apl
  2942.  
  2943. tomothy
  2944. [9:11 AM]
  2945. jvp is new liberty
  2946.  
  2947. [9:11]
  2948. jp john
  2949.  
  2950. [9:11]
  2951. and yeah i'd agree with macsga on characterizations
  2952.  
  2953. [9:11]
  2954. I gave him all my money and got a pin
  2955.  
  2956. [9:11]
  2957. (worth it)
  2958.  
  2959. alp
  2960. [9:11 AM]
  2961. ok wasnt sure who john is in that context (edited)
  2962.  
  2963. tomothy
  2964. [9:13 AM]
  2965. see pastebin its in there
  2966.  
  2967. [9:13]
  2968. its allllllll in there
  2969.  
  2970. [9:13]
  2971. :slightly_smiling_face:
  2972.  
  2973. macsga [9:14 AM]
  2974. yeah, nice 10m read
  2975.  
  2976. [9:15]
  2977. I'll review it once more once home
  2978.  
  2979. andrewquentson [9:33 AM]
  2980. joined #general
  2981.  
  2982. andrewquentson [9:39 AM]
  2983. "IF you need to do what I say as I am Satoshi and not because of the idea I am presenting, but the nature of my identity, then you are all lost!" why bother telling us all you're satoshi then, instead of, you know, just presenting your work @craig_s_wright @csw @vlad2vlad
  2984.  
  2985. csw [9:40 AM]
  2986. https://medium.com/@MADinMelbourne/welcome-to-the-ministry-of-truth-in-the-wiki-age-601ec28a2504
  2987. Medium
  2988. Welcome to the Ministry of Truth in the Wiki Age. – #thewildcard – Medium
  2989. “Is this really happening?” was tweeted to me yesterday as nChain announced it’s arrival into the Bitcoin scene, bringing with it the…
  2990. Reading time
  2991. ----------------
  2992. 4 min read
  2993.  
  2994. (461kB)
  2995. April 17th at 2:36 AM
  2996.  
  2997. [9:40]
  2998. Nothing of the last year was planned.
  2999.  
  3000. [9:41]
  3001. I listened to the wrong ideas and simply where we should be is ignoring and leaving the myth.
  3002.  
  3003. [9:42]
  3004. I had started to present my work. That is when the attacks started and i was not prepared for any of it.
  3005.  
  3006. [9:43]
  3007. I did not expect to have to explain the distinction between a PhD and a professional doctorate and I did not expect to have any of the other fabrications to defend.
  3008.  
  3009. [9:44]
  3010. I have learnt from this. I am saddened that people feel they need an authority and cannot learn and must come to a state where they express an attack as an opinion.
  3011.  
  3012. Yes, you can have an opinion, but this is not the same as a reasoned argument.
  3013.  
  3014. andrewquentson [9:45 AM]
  3015. Sorry, but your first act was to claim authority by claiming you are Satoshi
  3016.  
  3017. [9:45]
  3018. why?
  3019.  
  3020. csw [9:45 AM]
  3021. No, I was not the one talking in Dec 2015
  3022.  
  3023. [9:46]
  3024. Nor did I make up stories about recommended settings in encryption software
  3025.  
  3026. iang [9:46 AM]
  3027. The events of 2015 - 2016 weren’t really of Craig’s wanting. The first problem was the attacker and extortionists and various other sundy gossipers… so the writing was on the wall.
  3028.  
  3029. jp [9:46 AM]
  3030. In 2015 we were hacked and blackmailed
  3031.  
  3032. iang [9:46 AM]
  3033. The second problem was the circus team in London that went out of control.
  3034.  
  3035.  
  3036. andrewquentson [9:47 AM]
  3037. Does that include the BBC interview?
  3038.  
  3039. macsga [9:47 AM]
  3040. lol
  3041.  
  3042. csw [9:47 AM]
  3043. I was promised a simple low key interview. No TV camera
  3044.  
  3045. andrewquentson [9:47 AM]
  3046. with the BBC!
  3047.  
  3048. [9:47]
  3049. low key?
  3050.  
  3051. csw [9:47 AM]
  3052. It was not what eventuated
  3053.  
  3054. iang [9:47 AM]
  3055. yes all the events of May 2015 and the big reveal … it actually started around mid 2015.
  3056.  
  3057. betty [9:48 AM]
  3058. joined #general
  3059.  
  3060. alp
  3061. [9:48 AM]
  3062. csw can you with a key for me?
  3063.  
  3064. andrewquentson [9:48 AM]
  3065. Alright, can you tell me how it came that Gavin ended up vauching for you?
  3066.  
  3067. csw [9:48 AM]
  3068. I signed the contracts and moved to London 5 months before any of this.
  3069.  
  3070. Pinned by rajsallin
  3071. Today at 11:20 AM Pinned by rajsallin
  3072. [9:49]
  3073. A...Q... no. If Gavin does, that is his decision
  3074.  
  3075. iang [9:49 AM]
  3076. Basically it’s as said - CSW was used to add a couple of zeros to the patent portfolio. Which necessitated the ‘big reveal’ … circus. Unfortunately, CSW fails at being a pop star. Who knew…
  3077.  
  3078. alp
  3079. [9:49 AM]
  3080. when does Gavin join NChain?
  3081.  
  3082. [9:49]
  3083. How much money did Roger give to nChain?
  3084.  
  3085. csw [9:49 AM]
  3086. The worst thing I can do is play a public role.
  3087.  
  3088. [9:49]
  3089. I have given no money to Roger
  3090.  
  3091. andrewquentson [9:50 AM]
  3092. Well, how more public can you get than Gavin vauching for you
  3093.  
  3094. iang [9:50 AM]
  3095. sounds like business questions - I for one would expect the business team at nChain to deal with them.
  3096.  
  3097. csw [9:50 AM]
  3098. Gavin is semi retired and does not miss the trolling
  3099.  
  3100. andrewquentson [9:50 AM]
  3101. now, my memory might be wrong, but back then I think he publicly wrote saying you or someone related asked him to visit you
  3102.  
  3103. [9:50]
  3104. is that true?
  3105.  
  3106. csw [9:50 AM]
  3107. Related yes.
  3108.  
  3109. travin [9:50 AM]
  3110. Hey Andrew.
  3111.  
  3112. andrewquentson [9:51 AM]
  3113. so you willfully went forward with a ceremony which was meant to prove your identity, why?
  3114.  
  3115. mrhodl [9:51 AM]
  3116. joined #general
  3117.  
  3118. alp
  3119. [9:51 AM]
  3120. how much money did roger fund nChain/
  3121.  
  3122. [9:51]
  3123. not that you paid him
  3124.  
  3125. andrewquentson [9:51 AM]
  3126. identity as claimed satoshi that is
  3127.  
  3128. csw [9:51 AM]
  3129. Roger. Nothing
  3130.  
  3131. beautybubble [9:51 AM]
  3132. joined #general
  3133.  
  3134. csw [9:51 AM]
  3135. I believed promises.
  3136.  
  3137. [9:52]
  3138. I was told, one time, and then you can be left alone.
  3139.  
  3140. andrewquentson [9:52 AM]
  3141. I mean, if you want us to just judge you, rather than authority, why engage in an event which tries to claim authority by showing an alleged satoshi owned address signature?
  3142.  
  3143. csw [9:52 AM]
  3144. I agree
  3145.  
  3146. andrewquentson [9:52 AM]
  3147. you agree with what sorry?
  3148.  
  3149. klee [9:53 AM]
  3150. read the pastebin before asking questions already answered DAMNIT
  3151.  
  3152. csw [9:53 AM]
  3153. I agree that was foolish
  3154.  
  3155. beautybubble [9:53 AM]
  3156. Pleased to be here to learn some new things.
  3157.  
  3158. [9:53]
  3159. Thank you for having me.
  3160.  
  3161. andrewquentson [9:53 AM]
  3162. alright
  3163.  
  3164. travin [9:53 AM]
  3165. @andrewquentson -https://pastebin.com/5A7Awrmd
  3166. Pastebin
  3167. Craig Wright Q&A btcchat.slack.com - Pastebin.com (19kB)
  3168.  
  3169. andrewquentson [9:53 AM]
  3170. this supercomputer @csw it doesn't exist does it?
  3171.  
  3172. csw [9:53 AM]
  3173. Actually it did
  3174.  
  3175. tomothy
  3176. [9:53 AM]
  3177. Yes, Look at yesterdays disclosure from Vlad
  3178.  
  3179. andrewquentson [9:53 AM]
  3180. did?
  3181.  
  3182. tomothy
  3183. [9:53 AM]
  3184. He provided all the information concerning the computer
  3185.  
  3186. csw [9:54 AM]
  3187. Did.
  3188.  
  3189. tomothy
  3190. [9:54 AM]
  3191. Invoices, receipts, along with significant other information
  3192.  
  3193. andrewquentson [9:54 AM]
  3194. what happened to it?
  3195.  
  3196. csw [9:54 AM]
  3197. I had dealings with people connected to Liberty Reserve and who later ran systems in Panama
  3198.  
  3199. jp [9:54 AM]
  3200. I did the security pen test on it before the public class programming on supercomputer started
  3201.  
  3202. andrewquentson [9:55 AM]
  3203. where was the supercomputer stored/held csw?
  3204.  
  3205. csw [9:55 AM]
  3206. Panama
  3207.  
  3208. iang [9:55 AM]
  3209. Moore’s Law :slightly_smiling_face: computers do get rather old…
  3210.  
  3211. macsga [9:55 AM]
  3212. like I said several times, I'd put a good use to it :slightly_smiling_face:
  3213.  
  3214.  
  3215. andrewquentson [9:55 AM]
  3216. ok
  3217.  
  3218. [9:55]
  3219. I can see your typing looks fine
  3220.  
  3221. [9:56]
  3222. your background shows, however, you often like to miss-spell words
  3223.  
  3224. [9:56]
  3225. create grammatically messy sentances
  3226.  
  3227. [9:56]
  3228. why?
  3229.  
  3230. csw [9:56 AM]
  3231. I have friends who own more computer power than I do. They simply do not use them to do scientific calculations, they run Poker rooms.
  3232.  
  3233.  
  3234. [9:56]
  3235. Would you like me to mis-type
  3236.  
  3237.  
  3238. beautybubble [9:56 AM]
  3239. Because I prefer specifics. Are you speaking of The Panamanian SERVIR center is housed in the City of Knowledge, at CATHALAC.
  3240.  
  3241. andrewquentson [9:56 AM]
  3242. my preferences are completley irrelevant
  3243.  
  3244. beautybubble [9:56 AM]
  3245. Thank you.
  3246.  
  3247. andrewquentson [9:57 AM]
  3248. the document which says you entered into a partnership with the company that provided the supercomputer parts is grammatically unsound
  3249.  
  3250. [9:57]
  3251. your public forum statements are often grammatically unsound
  3252.  
  3253. [9:57]
  3254. why?
  3255.  
  3256. csw [9:57 AM]
  3257. My academic papers are sound.
  3258.  
  3259. iang [9:57 AM]
  3260. wtf?
  3261.  
  3262. andrewquentson [9:58 AM]
  3263. is the miss-spelling intentional?
  3264.  
  3265. csw [9:58 AM]
  3266. :slightly_smiling_face:
  3267.  
  3268. [9:58]
  3269. No more.
  3270.  
  3271. alp
  3272. [9:58 AM]
  3273. you angered him andrew
  3274.  
  3275. [9:58]
  3276. the wizard of oz will close the doors on you
  3277.  
  3278. iang [9:58 AM]
  3279. @andrewquentson have you ever usd computers?
  3280.  
  3281. andrewquentson [9:58 AM]
  3282. you're completely free to not answer
  3283.  
  3284. [9:59]
  3285. but that doesn't leave many obvious conclusions
  3286.  
  3287. freetrader [9:59 AM]
  3288. ... and did you spell-check your comments above (if not, you should)
  3289.  
  3290. csw [9:59 AM]
  3291. Your assumption is that I created those documents. Even now, I like to work in my own area and remain a curmudgeon, but I am not too far from people.
  3292.  
  3293. snoop [9:59 AM]
  3294. Alp=ass
  3295.  
  3296. alp
  3297. [10:00 AM]
  3298. hi poons
  3299.  
  3300. andrewquentson [10:00 AM]
  3301. "When looking at Craig Steven Wright’s background, his seemingly inability to spell stands out immediately. As does his preference for general terms, vague language, and long windedness.
  3302.  
  3303. Wright’s now deleted Linkedin profile contains 26 A4 sized pages and terms such as “Encryption Techniology” and “continential kitchens”."
  3304.  
  3305. alp
  3306. [10:00 AM]
  3307. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6qPo1zzU7s
  3308. YouTube doc biz
  3309. in which Craig Wright says "fuck off"
  3310.  
  3311.  
  3312. andrewquentson [10:00 AM]
  3313. you didn't write your own linkedin?
  3314.  
  3315. csw [10:00 AM]
  3316. :slightly_smiling_face:
  3317.  
  3318. alp
  3319. [10:00 AM]
  3320. fuck off your mother if you want fuck off
  3321.  
  3322. csw [10:00 AM]
  3323. I did not manage much of my social media
  3324.  
  3325. beautybubble [10:01 AM]
  3326. Oh, dear.
  3327.  
  3328. kp [10:01 AM]
  3329. joined #general
  3330.  
  3331. mrhodl [10:01 AM]
  3332. @csw How long were you in a relationship with Michelle?
  3333.  
  3334. beautybubble [10:01 AM]
  3335. Once people calm down we can introduce ourselves and put on the table concerns. Right?
  3336.  
  3337. csw [10:01 AM]
  3338. Yes, I am angered by people who say that they can reverse ECC private keys (excluding brain wallets)
  3339.  
  3340. [10:01]
  3341. I have never met Seven
  3342.  
  3343. mrhodl [10:02 AM]
  3344. Alright, Who manages your social media account?
  3345.  
  3346. andrewquentson [10:02 AM]
  3347. alright, what's the probability of compromise @csw ?
  3348.  
  3349. csw [10:02 AM]
  3350. A...Q... is this me...
  3351.  
  3352. mrhodl [10:02 AM]
  3353. So you never met Seven, eh?
  3354.  
  3355. [10:02]
  3356. How did you get on that panel?
  3357.  
  3358. csw [10:02 AM]
  3359. No, I was on a panel from London
  3360.  
  3361. mrhodl [10:02 AM]
  3362. Sure, but why did she invite you? (edited)
  3363.  
  3364. alp
  3365. [10:03 AM]
  3366. csw's dick is so long it went all the way from london to the us
  3367.  
  3368.  
  3369. jp [10:03 AM]
  3370. I insisted csw not to do it
  3371.  
  3372. andrewquentson [10:03 AM]
  3373. "
  3374.  
  3375. “Where a system uses an SMS response with a separate system (such as a web page), the probability that the banking user is compromised and a fraud is committed, P(Compromise), can be calculated as: P(Compromise) = P(C.SMS) x P(C.PIN)
  3376.  
  3377. Where: P(C.SMS) is the probability of compromising the SMS function and P(C.PIN) is the compromise of the user authentication method [sic]
  3378.  
  3379. The user can be compromised by Trojan apps, poor pins that are pasted to a monitor etc.”
  3380.  
  3381. mrhodl [10:03 AM]
  3382. JP, that's not my question..
  3383.  
  3384. [10:03]
  3385. How was on on there to begin with?
  3386.  
  3387. andrewquentson [10:03 AM]
  3388. I suppose that's you, unless others write under your name in mailing lists too
  3389.  
  3390. beautybubble [10:03 AM]
  3391. I am certain once we get through some of this hostility, we can get on to the bigger, better conversation.
  3392.  
  3393. csw [10:03 AM]
  3394. That is a long story and I do not wish to discuss it. I was not (as is stated) 'fucking' her, we have never been in the same city at the same time to my knowledge
  3395.  
  3396. beautybubble [10:04 AM]
  3397. Please guys try and be civil here.
  3398.  
  3399. csw [10:04 AM]
  3400. ALP... I would like to think so... but I am not that large :wink:
  3401.  
  3402.  
  3403. mrhodl [10:04 AM]
  3404. long story ..got it
  3405.  
  3406. alp
  3407. [10:04 AM]
  3408. why should we be civil beauty?
  3409.  
  3410. csw [10:04 AM]
  3411. A...Q... That was a VERY short part of a very long equation (edited)
  3412.  
  3413. opet [10:04 AM]
  3414. joined #general
  3415.  
  3416. beautybubble [10:04 AM]
  3417. It allows for team work and conversation.
  3418.  
  3419. alp
  3420. [10:05 AM]
  3421. team work with a con artist?
  3422.  
  3423. [10:05]
  3424. who gives a fuck
  3425.  
  3426. mrhodl [10:05 AM]
  3427. @csw Does @jp have a picture of you from 2005?
  3428.  
  3429. andrewquentson [10:05 AM]
  3430. @csw what's a Merkel Tree?
  3431.  
  3432. mrhodl [10:05 AM]
  3433. I hear you met at a cypherpunk conference.. he pointed you to a tent?
  3434.  
  3435. andrewquentson [10:05 AM]
  3436. @alp and @mrhodl can you try and not shut down discussion
  3437.  
  3438. beautybubble [10:05 AM]
  3439. I came here to meet a person who I am very interested in and I hope we can work through some of the harder parts.
  3440.  
  3441. csw [10:05 AM]
  3442. MrH... I hope not. But I used to come and go from conferences
  3443.  
  3444. alp
  3445. [10:06 AM]
  3446. lol aquent whining about trolling
  3447.  
  3448. andrewquentson [10:06 AM]
  3449. questions are cool, but...
  3450.  
  3451. alp
  3452. [10:06 AM]
  3453. pot calling kettle black here
  3454.  
  3455. mrhodl [10:06 AM]
  3456. Andrew, my questions are more relevant... sorry.
  3457.  
  3458. csw [10:06 AM]
  3459. A...Q... A merkle tree... Please ask something difficult.
  3460.  
  3461. andrewquentson [10:06 AM]
  3462. yes yes just relax @alp (edited)
  3463.  
  3464.  
  3465. mrhodl [10:06 AM]
  3466. @jp Do you have that picture?
  3467.  
  3468. jp [10:06 AM]
  3469. I'm not jvp
  3470.  
  3471. mrhodl [10:06 AM]
  3472. Oh, right
  3473.  
  3474. [10:06]
  3475. So who are you?
  3476.  
  3477. jp [10:06 AM]
  3478. John
  3479.  
  3480. alp
  3481. [10:07 AM]
  3482. whats your assocation to satoshi dundee
  3483.  
  3484. jp [10:07 AM]
  3485. Fuck off bastatd
  3486.  
  3487. alp
  3488. [10:07 AM]
  3489. fluffer?
  3490.  
  3491. jp [10:07 AM]
  3492. Piece of cumbag
  3493.  
  3494. mrhodl [10:07 AM]
  3495. You told Craig not to go on that panel? Why? Who are you to Craig?
  3496.  
  3497. jp [10:07 AM]
  3498. Fluff your fucking mother if you wanna fluff
  3499.  
  3500. macsga [10:07 AM]
  3501. lol
  3502.  
  3503. satoshi [10:08 AM]
  3504. Don't engage or respond to trolling. Ping bitsko to remove.
  3505.  
  3506. macsga [10:08 AM]
  3507. dat quote
  3508.  
  3509. coinspeak
  3510. [10:08 AM]
  3511. If you have doubts that's fine but be civil. If you don't believe then just listen and see if you learn something vs dominate the conversation being a troll.
  3512.  
  3513. mrhodl [10:08 AM]
  3514. @satoshi How is this "trolling"?
  3515.  
  3516. iang [10:08 AM]
  3517. I think it is fair enough if technical and cryptographic questions are asked.
  3518.  
  3519.  
  3520. satoshi [10:08 AM]
  3521. Agreed
  3522.  
  3523. jp [10:08 AM]
  3524. And this is not a fucking interrogation
  3525.  
  3526. freetrader [10:08 AM]
  3527. I believe this slack is an exercise in free speech. We have to accept the unsavory commenters.
  3528.  
  3529. iang [10:09 AM]
  3530. Beyond that, the reality TV questions are probably better off left to some other venue. Like . reality TV.
  3531.  
  3532. klee [10:09 AM]
  3533. why should we give a flying fuk who Craig fucks?
  3534.  
  3535. mrhodl [10:09 AM]
  3536. CSW is claiming to be Satoshi, yes?
  3537.  
  3538. jp [10:09 AM]
  3539. Craig, I Think you should leave.
  3540.  
  3541.  
  3542. csw [10:09 AM]
  3543. Free speech does not incorporate any speech
  3544.  
  3545. cypherblock [10:09 AM]
  3546. csw is claiming to be csw I think.
  3547.  
  3548. mrhodl [10:09 AM]
  3549. Interesting..
  3550.  
  3551. satoshi [10:09 AM]
  3552. csw = csw
  3553.  
  3554. csw [10:09 AM]
  3555. I believe that I am CSW. I could be mistaken.
  3556.  
  3557.  
  3558. satoshi [10:09 AM]
  3559. LOL
  3560.  
  3561. klee [10:10 AM]
  3562. I am Vinny
  3563. 1 reply Today at 10:10 AM View thread
  3564.  
  3565. mrhodl [10:10 AM]
  3566. So you're not claiming to be Satoshi?
  3567.  
  3568. klee [10:10 AM]
  3569. sodl at 1250
  3570.  
  3571. [10:10]
  3572. still waiting for 800
  3573.  
  3574. iang [10:10 AM]
  3575. I’ve got that Who song in my mind… “Who are you? Who Who?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4
  3576. YouTube TheWhoVEVO
  3577. The Who - Who Are You?
  3578.  
  3579.  
  3580. csw [10:10 AM]
  3581. And Freetrader, no, free speech does not incorporate libel or slander.
  3582.  
  3583. alp
  3584. [10:10 AM]
  3585. satoshi: i was told by bitsko this chat room was explicitly for trolling
  3586.  
  3587. [10:10]
  3588. am i mistaken?
  3589.  
  3590. csw [10:11 AM]
  3591. I am stating that Satoshi needs to remain a myth and no more. Nobody in any position should be accounted as an authority for where they are. The ideas they express need to be weighted and viewed individually.
  3592.  
  3593. megalodon
  3594. [10:11 AM]
  3595. alp can you go back to the dragon's den and reformulate the strategy? starting to get pretty stale and repetitive by this point in time
  3596.  
  3597. freetrader [10:12 AM]
  3598. @csw : what I'm referring to is that bitsko has announced he's unlikely to remove anyone from this slack no matter what they say.
  3599. libel and slander are dealt with lawfully.
  3600. That said, it may not be wise to feed trolls more than they can handle. (edited)
  3601.  
  3602. alp
  3603. [10:12 AM]
  3604. kek
  3605.  
  3606. cypherblock [10:12 AM]
  3607. @csw do you wish to just become a “regular guy” in the community, who should be judged on his current statements, papers, etc and not on any Satoshi stuff?
  3608.  
  3609. alp
  3610. [10:12 AM]
  3611. i figure satoshi dundee's scam is pretty stale and repetitive too
  3612.  
  3613. opet [10:12 AM]
  3614. Speaking of ideas, have you released any additional details regarding nChain's intended solution for scaling?
  3615.  
  3616. mrhodl [10:12 AM]
  3617. :thinking_face:
  3618.  
  3619. prometheus [10:12 AM]
  3620. @csw Thank you for helping to bring Bitcoin to life, and thank you for taking the time to answer our questions. I enjoyed reading Andrew O'Hagan's "The Satoshi Affair" piece. In it, it mentions the name "Satoshi Nakamoto" created from combining "Satoshi" (The Pokemon character Ash in Japanese) and "Nakamoto" (Tominaga Nakamoto being the Japanese merchant philosopher). Is this the correct origin on the moniker?
  3621.  
  3622. You had incredible forethought to create a pseudonym when creating Bitcoin, and creating the "myth" that resulted. Was this influenced by your academic background in Religion and Mythology?
  3623.  
  3624. andy [10:13 AM]
  3625. joined #general
  3626.  
  3627. mrhodl [10:13 AM]
  3628. Why are you thanking him for bringing bitcoin to life? He's not Satoshi. (edited)
  3629.  
  3630. csw [10:13 AM]
  3631. CypherB... I will not be that. In my case it will be a steeper slope
  3632.  
  3633.  
  3634. andy [10:13 AM]
  3635. Well it's been a lively day already I can see.
  3636.  
  3637. klee [10:13 AM]
  3638. csw time to talk about serious stuff, like your training in Ninjutsu & Wing Chun
  3639.  
  3640. andrewquentson [10:14 AM]
  3641. @csw can you share the e-mail you sent to Adam Back?
  3642.  
  3643. csw [10:14 AM]
  3644. No, I will not release company details. There are people for that and when I talk out of turn, I cause trouble.
  3645.  
  3646.  
  3647. andrewquentson [10:14 AM]
  3648. not sure if that's been made public?
  3649.  
  3650. andy [10:14 AM]
  3651. Thanks for answering questions csw.
  3652.  
  3653.  
  3654. csw [10:14 AM]
  3655. A..Q.. That would not be good iff I was to remain not in a role... That email may come out in time.
  3656.  
  3657. andrewquentson [10:15 AM]
  3658. ok
  3659.  
  3660. csw [10:15 AM]
  3661. It would "not" come from me.
  3662.  
  3663. andrewquentson [10:15 AM]
  3664. what happened after you emailed Adam back in... whenever it was?
  3665.  
  3666. andy [10:15 AM]
  3667. If bitcoin suddenly ended tomorrow, would you support the creation of a new coin or support an existing one?
  3668.  
  3669.  
  3670. csw [10:15 AM]
  3671. If Bitcoin ends, then I am broke :slightly_smiling_face:
  3672.  
  3673.  
  3674. macsga [10:15 AM]
  3675. ME TOO
  3676.  
  3677.  
  3678. [10:15]
  3679. :stuck_out_tongue:
  3680.  
  3681. jp [10:15 AM]
  3682. Me too
  3683.  
  3684. macsga [10:16 AM]
  3685. lol
  3686.  
  3687. klee [10:16 AM]
  3688. no suga mamma?
  3689.  
  3690. megalodon
  3691. [10:16 AM]
  3692. lol looks like we all really are satoshi then
  3693.  
  3694.  
  3695. jp [10:16 AM]
  3696. No Vegas
  3697.  
  3698. macsga [10:16 AM]
  3699. sugga momma will divorce me
  3700.  
  3701. klee [10:16 AM]
  3702. rekt
  3703.  
  3704. macsga [10:16 AM]
  3705. unless provide sex
  3706.  
  3707. csw [10:16 AM]
  3708. A....Q... Adam (from my understanding) pointed a certain person to Wei. :slightly_smiling_face:
  3709.  
  3710. jp [10:16 AM]
  3711. Vinny rich
  3712.  
  3713. klee [10:16 AM]
  3714. Where's Vinny?
  3715.  
  3716. mrhodl [10:16 AM]
  3717. https://btcchat.slack.com/archives/C555C1FME/p1493918140758518 Why do you say that?
  3718. csw
  3719. If Bitcoin ends, then I am broke :slightly_smiling_face:
  3720. Posted in #generalToday at 10:15 AM
  3721.  
  3722. macsga [10:17 AM]
  3723. Vinny is alp
  3724.  
  3725. andrewquentson [10:17 AM]
  3726. did you speak to wei @csw ?
  3727.  
  3728. klee [10:17 AM]
  3729. We are all Vinny
  3730.  
  3731. jp [10:17 AM]
  3732. Vinnayaan kleecumming
  3733.  
  3734.  
  3735. andrewquentson [10:17 AM]
  3736. speak obvs includes email etc
  3737.  
  3738. rajsallin [10:17 AM]
  3739. joined #general
  3740.  
  3741. macsga [10:17 AM]
  3742. he sodl early and now butthurt
  3743.  
  3744. csw [10:17 AM]
  3745. 99% of my wealth is in Bitcoin in one way or another. I own no Alts and I have sold most of the property I owned
  3746.  
  3747. mrhodl [10:17 AM]
  3748. @csw Prove it.
  3749.  
  3750. csw [10:17 AM]
  3751. I have talked to Wei in the past, yes.
  3752.  
  3753. andrewquentson [10:17 AM]
  3754. did you speak to wei after speaking to adam @csw ?
  3755.  
  3756. csw [10:17 AM]
  3757. MrH... Prove what?
  3758.  
  3759. [10:18]
  3760. A...Q... No comment
  3761.  
  3762. jp [10:18 AM]
  3763. Keep up with the kardashian is happening, featuring Craig Wright and dragon den ... Ding ding ding.
  3764.  
  3765. Round 1
  3766.  
  3767. mrhodl [10:18 AM]
  3768. That you are the type of holder you say you are.
  3769.  
  3770. andy [10:18 AM]
  3771. That you'll be broke. Ignore it. It's not an assertion that requires proving imo.
  3772.  
  3773. mrhodl [10:18 AM]
  3774. At least sign block 9?
  3775.  
  3776. klee [10:18 AM]
  3777. Plan 9 from Outer Space
  3778.  
  3779. andrewquentson [10:18 AM]
  3780. @csw can you describe what b-money is and how it's similiar or different from bitcoin?
  3781.  
  3782. [10:18]
  3783. this one is a genuine question
  3784.  
  3785.  
  3786. csw [10:18 AM]
  3787. Yes, I can explain b-money
  3788.  
  3789. alp
  3790. [10:19 AM]
  3791. uploaded this image: image.png
  3792. Add Comment
  3793.  
  3794. andy [10:19 AM]
  3795. I'm pretty sure csw has at least a couple of bits if he's CEO of a $300m enterprise looking to dethrone BS.
  3796.  
  3797.  
  3798. iang [10:19 AM]
  3799. Signing things with early keys is not particularly helpful - the keys were moved around several times, and no ‘proof’ is therefore proof.
  3800.  
  3801. 2 replies Last reply today at 10:38 AM View thread
  3802.  
  3803. csw [10:19 AM]
  3804. Have you read b-money, the concept is sound, but it was not developed
  3805.  
  3806. mrhodl [10:19 AM]
  3807. @csw Will you ever sign any of the early blocks?
  3808.  
  3809. alp
  3810. [10:19 AM]
  3811. andy: how is bs ona throne
  3812.  
  3813. andrewquentson [10:19 AM]
  3814. I'm actually very curious to know how b-money is similiar and different from bitcoin @csw in a sort of high level conceptual manner
  3815.  
  3816. andy [10:19 AM]
  3817. I bet nChain has more BTC holdings that BS does, as they keep their funds in fiat.
  3818.  
  3819.  
  3820. macsga [10:19 AM]
  3821. @alp VINNY!
  3822.  
  3823. alp
  3824. [10:19 AM]
  3825. kek
  3826.  
  3827. iang [10:19 AM]
  3828. I outlined this on Crypto list a year back: http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2016-May/029323.html Basically, signing won’t give you the proof-boost you want.
  3829.  
  3830. alp
  3831. [10:19 AM]
  3832. you think nchain has any holdings?
  3833.  
  3834. andy [10:20 AM]
  3835. If tons of people have access to early keys then the coins associated would have moved by now, no?
  3836.  
  3837. csw [10:20 AM]
  3838. Part 1 - the paper to discuss.
  3839.  
  3840. mrhodl [10:20 AM]
  3841. @csw Will you ever sign any of the early blocks or are you going to continue bullshitting us?
  3842.  
  3843. csw [10:20 AM]
  3844. I am fascinated by Tim May's crypto-anarchy. Unlike the communities
  3845. traditionally associated with the word "anarchy", in a crypto-anarchy the
  3846. government is not temporarily destroyed but permanently forbidden and
  3847. permanently unnecessary. It's a community where the threat of violence is
  3848. impotent because violence is impossible, and violence is impossible
  3849. because its participants cannot be linked to their true names or physical
  3850. locations.
  3851.  
  3852. Until now it's not clear, even theoretically, how such a community could
  3853. operate. A community is defined by the cooperation of its participants,
  3854. and efficient cooperation requires a medium of exchange (money) and a way
  3855. to enforce contracts. Traditionally these services have been provided by
  3856. the government or government sponsored institutions and only to legal
  3857. entities. In this article I describe a protocol by which these services
  3858. can be provided to and by untraceable entities.
  3859.  
  3860. I will actually describe two protocols. The first one is impractical,
  3861. because it makes heavy use of a synchronous and unjammable anonymous
  3862. broadcast channel. However it will motivate the second, more practical
  3863. protocol. In both cases I will assume the existence of an untraceable
  3864. network, where senders and receivers are identified only by digital
  3865. pseudonyms (i.e. public keys) and every messages is signed by its sender
  3866. and encrypted to its receiver.
  3867.  
  3868. [10:20]
  3869. http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt
  3870.  
  3871. andy [10:21 AM]
  3872. I don't think he has to prove anything with regard to SN if he doesn't seek to convince anyone that he's SN.
  3873.  
  3874. andrewquentson [10:21 AM]
  3875. I've read that
  3876.  
  3877. [10:21]
  3878. the question was
  3879.  
  3880. [10:21]
  3881. how is b-money similiar and different from bitcoin?
  3882.  
  3883. mrhodl [10:21 AM]
  3884. But he did claim to be Satoshi?
  3885.  
  3886. [10:21]
  3887. on more than one occasion.
  3888.  
  3889. csw [10:21 AM]
  3890. I know and this is a forum that takes time to answer in
  3891.  
  3892.  
  3893. jp [10:22 AM]
  3894. Hold my beer
  3895.  
  3896. andy [10:22 AM]
  3897. He was at one time forced into a position by former staff. He initiated but then digressed from the assertion you're trying to get him to reassert.
  3898.  
  3899. csw [10:22 AM]
  3900. Shall I start on the first or the second protocols A...Q...?
  3901.  
  3902. andrewquentson [10:22 AM]
  3903. you can start on the high level differences
  3904.  
  3905. [10:22]
  3906. presumably you can abstract stuff in thought?
  3907.  
  3908. [10:23]
  3909. and distill it
  3910.  
  3911. csw [10:23 AM]
  3912. In b-money, each party has a database, but, unlike in Bitcoin this is not syncronised.
  3913.  
  3914. andrewquentson [10:23 AM]
  3915. then succinctly communicate it
  3916.  
  3917. csw [10:23 AM]
  3918. The issue was the Byzantine Generals problem.
  3919.  
  3920. [10:24]
  3921. Where this was solved is through the use of the gamblers fallacy. In this, we have the attacker under 51% (not 50) playing a game of roulette in effect.
  3922.  
  3923. [10:24]
  3924. As each roll is under the required return, they never expect to win in the long run.
  3925.  
  3926. andrewquentson [10:25 AM]
  3927. yes we know what the general's problem is
  3928.  
  3929. csw [10:25 AM]
  3930. B-money was similar to Adam's hashcash in use
  3931.  
  3932. [10:26]
  3933. It was not in effect capped. The solution was based on a known PoW that set the economic value to be the cost of "mining" the demonstrated calculation.
  3934.  
  3935. alp
  3936. [10:26 AM]
  3937. :crocodile:
  3938.  
  3939. [10:26]
  3940. :knife: that's not a knife
  3941.  
  3942. csw [10:26 AM]
  3943. Basically, each entity seeks to mint coins
  3944.  
  3945. beautybubble [10:26 AM]
  3946. Was not that issue covered in a Ripple forum some years ago OR does it remain relevant? Thank you.
  3947.  
  3948. csw [10:27 AM]
  3949. b-money and the broadcast system was an account based system
  3950.  
  3951. alp
  3952. [10:27 AM]
  3953. csw: is mike hearn going to join you?
  3954.  
  3955. csw [10:27 AM]
  3956. I have not been up with Ripple of late sorry.
  3957.  
  3958. [10:28]
  3959. In b-Money (bm from now) the user agrees to send a transaction and complete the work before a time.
  3960.  
  3961. [10:28]
  3962. In this manner, bm is in effect a system that is online and requires the broadcast to be created in a set time window,
  3963.  
  3964. andy [10:28 AM]
  3965. @alp I don't imagine Hearn will return. The community isn't going to suddenly become nontoxic, even if on-chain scaling happens.
  3966.  
  3967. beautybubble [10:28 AM]
  3968. Thank you for your answer. Appreciate it.
  3969.  
  3970. csw [10:29 AM]
  3971. The options do allow for a payment in default against an account, but there is little in the form or nature of scripting nor of what could be a smart contract.
  3972.  
  3973. andrewquentson [10:30 AM]
  3974. alright let me narrow down
  3975.  
  3976. alp
  3977. [10:30 AM]
  3978. i mean return to nchain not bitcoin
  3979.  
  3980. andrewquentson [10:30 AM]
  3981. wei says b-money has two layers
  3982.  
  3983. csw [10:30 AM]
  3984. SHA1 was proposed in bm. At the time this was still used widely, but faults had developed by 2007
  3985.  
  3986. andrewquentson [10:30 AM]
  3987. lets focus on the base layer
  3988.  
  3989. [10:30]
  3990. he says it's inefficient
  3991.  
  3992. [10:30]
  3993. that's why it needs a second layer
  3994.  
  3995. danielnyairo [10:30 AM]
  3996. joined #general
  3997.  
  3998. andrewquentson [10:30 AM]
  3999. what makes b-money inefficient but bitcoin efficient and therefore not needing a second layer?
  4000.  
  4001. csw [10:31 AM]
  4002. For a start, there are issues with the need for a secure network. Tor even was not really of sufficient quality (edited)
  4003.  
  4004. ajd [10:31 AM]
  4005. I want to know why 50.9% isn't enough.
  4006.  
  4007. csw [10:32 AM]
  4008. Bitcoin allows for offline signing. It also has a separation of the validation function
  4009.  
  4010. [10:32]
  4011. The use of UTXO to mint coin at each transaction(these being in effect destroyed and created a new) allows for the use as cash and not an account
  4012.  
  4013. [10:33]
  4014. Bitcoin is not and does not require the transaction to be encrypted.
  4015.  
  4016. andrewquentson [10:33 AM]
  4017. what do you mean?
  4018.  
  4019. [10:33]
  4020. encrypted how?
  4021.  
  4022. csw [10:34 AM]
  4023. BTC uses a hashing algorithm and DSS. It is not encrypted.
  4024.  
  4025. beautybubble [10:35 AM]
  4026. May I quote you on that?
  4027.  
  4028. csw [10:35 AM]
  4029. Bm requires that the channel is encrypted. Basically, more than a VPN as the need for an untraceable connection means that attacks can be formed by link analysis
  4030.  
  4031. [10:35]
  4032. BB?
  4033.  
  4034. beautybubble [10:35 AM]
  4035. Yes, on the "BTC uses a hashing algorithm and DSS. It is not encrypted."
  4036.  
  4037. csw [10:35 AM]
  4038. BTC uses a hashing algorithm and DSS. It is not encrypted.?
  4039.  
  4040. [10:35]
  4041. Yes, ECC is not used. EcDSA is.
  4042.  
  4043. beautybubble [10:36 AM]
  4044. Thank you. Heading to twitter.
  4045.  
  4046. csw [10:37 AM]
  4047. Messages in Bitcoin are singed, but they are also open and can be analysed
  4048.  
  4049. andrewquentson [10:37 AM]
  4050. @csw I'm not sure what you might have discussed with wei, I'm going by the 4-5 para he wrote
  4051.  
  4052. [10:38]
  4053. he seems to be describing bitcoin in great parts, but he says the base layer is inefficient, why isn't bitcoin's? (edited)
  4054.  
  4055. andy [10:38 AM]
  4056. The plural of bitcoin is bitcoin.
  4057.  
  4058.  
  4059. klee [10:39 AM]
  4060. bitscoin?
  4061.  
  4062.  
  4063. jp [10:40 AM]
  4064. Bitcorns
  4065.  
  4066. csw [10:40 AM]
  4067. Bitcoin uses what is in effect a SEIR-c epidemic model. The messages are sent unencrypted but signed and the propagation (should) requires verification prior to forwarding
  4068.  
  4069. andrewquentson [10:41 AM]
  4070. but every node needs to store it
  4071.  
  4072. [10:41]
  4073. and they keep sending each other data, many of it useless, research has found for 8k real blocks some 200k are sent
  4074.  
  4075. csw [10:41 AM]
  4076. Yes. Each node. That can also be a risk decision
  4077.  
  4078. megalodon
  4079. [10:41 AM]
  4080. @csw What's a Bitcoin? :innocent:
  4081.  
  4082. csw [10:41 AM]
  4083. And a point in time can mean that the verification for some nodes in limited.
  4084.  
  4085. andy [10:42 AM]
  4086. Do you currently mine csw?
  4087.  
  4088. andrewquentson [10:42 AM]
  4089. yes, alright
  4090.  
  4091. xhiggy [10:42 AM]
  4092. Can you explain how bitcoin maps to a SEIR-C epidemic model, and why not an SIR model?
  4093.  
  4094. andrewquentson [10:42 AM]
  4095. how did Adam Back come to your attention before you contacted him @csw?
  4096.  
  4097. csw [10:42 AM]
  4098. And there are methods that can make SEIR network graphs more efficent
  4099.  
  4100. andrewquentson [10:43 AM]
  4101. I don't think google can help you and of course the time it takes to answer is a factor @csw
  4102.  
  4103. [10:44]
  4104. its a very easy question
  4105.  
  4106. [10:44]
  4107. for satoshi
  4108.  
  4109. [10:44]
  4110. or adam back
  4111.  
  4112. csw [10:44 AM]
  4113. LOL
  4114.  
  4115. [10:45]
  4116. And as I said, I am not going to answer Satoshi questions.
  4117.  
  4118. [10:45]
  4119. But a good try.
  4120.  
  4121. andrewquentson [10:45 AM]
  4122. you should answer this one
  4123.  
  4124. jp [10:45 AM]
  4125. Csw is a con artist, move along.
  4126.  
  4127. andrewquentson [10:45 AM]
  4128. its public knoweldge
  4129.  
  4130. [10:45]
  4131. go on
  4132.  
  4133. csw [10:45 AM]
  4134. No, it is what Adam stated and what a few sites such as Gwern's state.
  4135.  
  4136. jp [10:46 AM]
  4137. Cright wraig is not Satoshi, con artist and asshole. Move long guys.
  4138.  
  4139. andrewquentson [10:46 AM]
  4140. stated what?
  4141.  
  4142. csw [10:46 AM]
  4143. Read Gwern's over long post and a few other blogs.
  4144.  
  4145. [10:46]
  4146. And it is not the real answer, but more I will not comment.
  4147.  
  4148. andrewquentson [10:46 AM]
  4149. what does gwern's blog say
  4150.  
  4151. andy [10:47 AM]
  4152. andrewquentson You're still seeking for him to prove something he's acknowledged he isn't seeking to prove.
  4153.  
  4154. csw [10:47 AM]
  4155. That is not too difficult to google AQ
  4156.  
  4157. ajd [10:47 AM]
  4158. Why is 51% the threshold and not 50%?
  4159.  
  4160.  
  4161. megalodon
  4162. [10:48 AM]
  4163. any estimate on when more details for the SDK nChain is working on will be available?
  4164.  
  4165. andy [10:48 AM]
  4166. 51% loses over a long enough time.
  4167.  
  4168. [10:48]
  4169. or wins rather
  4170.  
  4171. [10:48]
  4172. derp
  4173.  
  4174. andrewquentson [10:48 AM]
  4175. do you mean this @csw ? https://www.gwern.net/docs/2008-nakamoto
  4176. gwern.net
  4177. Dai/Nakamoto emails - Gwern.net
  4178. Emails between Wei Dai and Satoshi Nakamoto discussing Bitcoin
  4179.  
  4180. ajd [10:48 AM]
  4181. What about 50.9%?
  4182.  
  4183. andrewquentson [10:48 AM]
  4184. so you were googling then!
  4185.  
  4186. [10:49]
  4187. but that doesn't say how adam back came to your attention does it?
  4188.  
  4189. klee [10:49 AM]
  4190. I like Adam's hair
  4191.  
  4192.  
  4193. csw [10:49 AM]
  4194. No A.Q. I was on a private chat with MrHodl
  4195.  
  4196. klee [10:49 AM]
  4197. much beauty
  4198.  
  4199. csw [10:49 AM]
  4200. 50.00000000001% even
  4201.  
  4202. andrewquentson [10:50 AM]
  4203. can you say how adam back came to your attention @csw?
  4204.  
  4205. klee [10:50 AM]
  4206. such brains
  4207.  
  4208. beautybubble [10:50 AM]
  4209. May I ask... the hostility in this channel is coming from a belief that the SLACK member csw is not Craig Steven Wright, Australian computer scientist and businessman? So with a very simple question to the member, @csw Are you indeed the person named and described here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Steven_Wright -- Thank you for your kind answer. ~Beauty
  4210. Wikipedia
  4211. Craig Steven Wright
  4212. Craig Steven Wright (born October 1970) is an Australian computer scientist and businessman. He claims to be the real person behind the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto—the creator of bitcoin—a claim that is disputed within the bitcoin community.
  4213.  
  4214. iang [10:50 AM]
  4215. 51% is just a convenient way of saying a slight majority. Like 50% plus a little bit.
  4216.  
  4217. ajd [10:51 AM]
  4218. Okay I thought maybe there was something more to https://btcchat.slack.com/archives/C555C1FME/p1493918661942624
  4219. csw
  4220. Where this was solved is through the use of the gamblers fallacy. In this, we have the attacker under 51% (not 50) playing a game of roulette in effect.
  4221. Posted in #generalToday at 10:24 AM
  4222.  
  4223. iang [10:51 AM]
  4224. The point isn’t so much xx%% but that the algorithm eventually decides one way or the other.
  4225.  
  4226. alp
  4227. [10:51 AM]
  4228. @beautybubble : its that csw is a con artist
  4229.  
  4230. beautybubble [10:51 AM]
  4231. I am being patient with the answer.
  4232.  
  4233. xhiggy [10:51 AM]
  4234. Who is he conning?
  4235.  
  4236. andrewquentson [10:51 AM]
  4237. @csw can you say how adam back came to your attention?
  4238.  
  4239. macsga [10:51 AM]
  4240. @alp VINNY, BUY TEH DIPS
  4241.  
  4242. csw [10:52 AM]
  4243. I am the person named here: https://medium.com/@MADinMelbourne/welcome-to-the-ministry-of-truth-in-the-wiki-age-601ec28a2504
  4244. Medium
  4245. Welcome to the Ministry of Truth in the Wiki Age. – #thewildcard – Medium
  4246. “Is this really happening?” was tweeted to me yesterday as nChain announced it’s arrival into the Bitcoin scene, bringing with it the…
  4247. Reading time
  4248. ----------------
  4249. 4 min read
  4250.  
  4251. (461kB)
  4252. April 17th at 2:36 AM
  4253. iang [10:52 AM]
  4254. Unfortunately, sadly, people are obsessed with numbers. Numbers make something seem real. So we have to put some numbers on the explanation … to make people believe. See, I used numbers 3 times there, so I’m right.
  4255.  
  4256. beautybubble [10:52 AM]
  4257. Can you be so kind to answer my question too? Thank you.
  4258.  
  4259. andy [10:52 AM]
  4260. 3 is a number too. I believe you now.
  4261.  
  4262. klee [10:52 AM]
  4263. https://twitter.com/VinnyLingham/status/860184952003940352
  4264. Vinny Lingham @VinnyLingham
  4265. 1/ The current price momentum and new highs for Bitcoin has effectively neutered any chance of Segwit being activated on Bitcoin, IMHO.
  4266. TwitterToday at 10:30 AM
  4267.  
  4268.  
  4269. [10:52]
  4270. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
  4271.  
  4272. [10:52]
  4273. I FART FROM LAUGHING
  4274.  
  4275. [10:52]
  4276. POOR MFer!!
  4277. !!!
  4278.  
  4279. csw [10:52 AM]
  4280. BB. The one on who?
  4281.  
  4282. beautybubble [10:52 AM]
  4283. The wiki page.
  4284.  
  4285. macsga [10:52 AM]
  4286. lol
  4287.  
  4288. andy [10:53 AM]
  4289. Segwit is DOA. Would you agree csw?
  4290.  
  4291. csw [10:53 AM]
  4292. And I did answer.
  4293.  
  4294. beautybubble [10:53 AM]
  4295. Thank you.
  4296.  
  4297. csw [10:53 AM]
  4298. SegWit is a removal of many of the fundimental aspects of Bitcoin
  4299.  
  4300. klee [10:54 AM]
  4301. VinnyCoin
  4302.  
  4303.  
  4304. jp [10:54 AM]
  4305. Corn will crash to 400.
  4306.  
  4307. csw [10:54 AM]
  4308. This simplistic idea that Transaction = H(TX) is a solution is a demonstration that only settlement matters to some.
  4309.  
  4310. prometheus [10:54 AM]
  4311. @csw are you concerned about any other alt-coins usurping BTC's position? The closest one I can currently see getting close is Ethereum (ETH), but I personally view it as being fundamentally flawed in that the chain is storing and processing all smart contract transactions (bad for storage and scaling) and there's a never ending inflation of the asset (bad for use as a hard currency).
  4312.  
  4313. Litecoin (LTC) is similar to BTC, in that it's capped, and plans to implement SegWit soon. There's a lot of hype around LTC right now, but I'm unconvinced it's sustainable, unless businesses actually start utilizing SegWit and implementing Lightning (which centralizes the network, in my opinion).
  4314.  
  4315. Your thoughts?
  4316.  
  4317. csw [10:54 AM]
  4318. I do not follow Alts.
  4319.  
  4320.  
  4321. andrewquentson [10:55 AM]
  4322. @csw I won't ask again. Can you say how Adam Back came to your attention?
  4323.  
  4324. andy [10:55 AM]
  4325. I think people are going to persist in trying to disprove you're Satoshi, regardless of how clearly you state that you do not seek to prove this.
  4326.  
  4327. csw [10:56 AM]
  4328. A...Q... Then stop asking.
  4329.  
  4330.  
  4331. cypherblock [10:56 AM]
  4332. can you say some more about how segwit removes some fundamental aspects?
  4333.  
  4334. csw [10:56 AM]
  4335. Segwit changes the validation layer
  4336.  
  4337. andrewquentson [10:57 AM]
  4338. Well, I did say it was the last time I'd ask, but why won't you say?
  4339.  
  4340. ajd [10:57 AM]
  4341. What do you think about P2SH, then?
  4342.  
  4343. csw [10:57 AM]
  4344. It changes the control from those who mine to a number of "soft" change options.
  4345.  
  4346. andrewquentson [10:57 AM]
  4347. It's public knowledge, although you clearly don't appear aware of it
  4348.  
  4349. beautybubble [10:57 AM]
  4350. May I post an invitation to this SLACK? Having a chance to ask you serious questions and then learn about your newer ventures I believe would help everyone. Thank you.
  4351.  
  4352. alp
  4353. [10:57 AM]
  4354. andy: csw does quite a fine job disproving it every word he speaks.
  4355.  
  4356. andrewquentson [10:57 AM]
  4357. Satoshi, however, would certainly know
  4358.  
  4359. csw [10:57 AM]
  4360. P2SH was a basket case, but we have it now
  4361.  
  4362. iang [10:57 AM]
  4363. The Transaction = H(TX) thing was something I found pretty critical in my work, and would naturally follow it. But bitcoin’s UTXO layout is completely different, and it’s non-obvious. Also the entire published ledger takes away the need to have a hash proof of existence. Still, it complicates things having multiple valid transactions.
  4364.  
  4365. alp
  4366. [10:57 AM]
  4367. he clearly doesnt know the code.
  4368.  
  4369. andrewquentson [10:57 AM]
  4370. as does Adam Back of course
  4371.  
  4372. iang [10:57 AM]
  4373. But I’m guessing this is a whiteboard discussion :disappointed:
  4374.  
  4375. cypherblock [10:58 AM]
  4376. @andrewquentson why are you asking about adam ? He is not trying to prove he is Satoshi right now.
  4377.  
  4378. ajd [10:58 AM]
  4379. Okay you gave the right answer to that one. :slightly_smiling_face:
  4380.  
  4381. mrhodl [10:58 AM]
  4382. @cypherblock *right now* is keyword. He did in the past.
  4383.  
  4384. andy [10:58 AM]
  4385. alp seems to be an expert on who satoshi is based on their statements of the tech. perhaps csw or someone else could ask alp a question to demonstrate his prowess with knowledge of the protocol?
  4386.  
  4387. iang [10:58 AM]
  4388. Everyone knows Adam Back. I’ve known him for over 20 years.
  4389.  
  4390. alp
  4391. [10:58 AM]
  4392. i do not claim to be satoshi andy
  4393.  
  4394. [10:59]
  4395. I didnt write the code.
  4396.  
  4397. csw [10:59 AM]
  4398. Who wrote the book referenced in the code on triple redundancy?
  4399.  
  4400. cypherblock [10:59 AM]
  4401. @mrhodl maybe maybe not.
  4402.  
  4403. mrhodl [10:59 AM]
  4404. what?
  4405.  
  4406. [10:59]
  4407. What do you mean maybe maybe not?
  4408.  
  4409. iang [10:59 AM]
  4410. Him I don’t know. But my ex-SO does. Goes to uni where he was.
  4411.  
  4412. mrhodl [11:00 AM]
  4413. Are you saying he never said he was the creator of bitcoin? @cypherblock
  4414.  
  4415. iang [11:00 AM]
  4416. He’s very old :slightly_smiling_face:
  4417.  
  4418. klee [11:00 AM]
  4419. Atherosclerosis
  4420.  
  4421. klee [11:00 AM]
  4422. uploaded this image: image.png
  4423. Add Comment
  4424.  
  4425.  
  4426. andrewquentson [11:02 AM]
  4427. You guys here
  4428.  
  4429. macsga [11:02 AM]
  4430. uploaded this image: hear hear
  4431. Add Comment
  4432.  
  4433. andrewquentson [11:02 AM]
  4434. @cypherblock
  4435.  
  4436. [11:02]
  4437. @iang
  4438.  
  4439. [11:02]
  4440. @jp
  4441.  
  4442. cypherblock [11:02 AM]
  4443. @mrhodl I’m saying he may either have never wanted to prove he was satoshi or maybe changed his mind.
  4444.  
  4445. andrewquentson [11:02 AM]
  4446. @bitsko
  4447.  
  4448. [11:02]
  4449. and the rest
  4450.  
  4451. [11:02]
  4452. you know this guy
  4453.  
  4454. [11:02]
  4455. fucking discraced Gavin?
  4456.  
  4457. cypherblock [11:02 AM]
  4458. yes I know
  4459.  
  4460. andrewquentson [11:02 AM]
  4461. you know he overshadowed the May blockchain coference
  4462.  
  4463. jp [11:02 AM]
  4464. Vegas modafackor, M O O N F I L T H Y
  4465.  
  4466. iang [11:03 AM]
  4467. @andrewquentson can you please stop spamming the channel - you’re not making yourself welcome.
  4468.  
  4469. andrewquentson [11:03 AM]
  4470. when we were to talk about all srots of nice thing
  4471.  
  4472. [11:03]
  4473. It was to be the comming out party
  4474.  
  4475. [11:03]
  4476. you know he is the cause of the commit removal?
  4477.  
  4478. cypherblock [11:03 AM]
  4479. yes I know
  4480.  
  4481. andrewquentson [11:03 AM]
  4482. and now he blabs here
  4483.  
  4484. jp [11:03 AM]
  4485. uploaded this image: e7bb793450426bdf1cb4e79397aea11dea281c31505206ca1bd95fcd3a0404a7.jpg
  4486. Add Comment
  4487.  
  4488. jp [11:03 AM]
  4489. 1600 kleenay vincumming
  4490.  
  4491. macsga [11:03 AM]
  4492. @andrewquentson what's your problem exactly?
  4493.  
  4494. andrewquentson [11:03 AM]
  4495. and some big blockers are all yeh maybe
  4496.  
  4497. [11:03]
  4498. sure
  4499.  
  4500. macsga [11:03 AM]
  4501. are you him?
  4502.  
  4503. andrewquentson [11:03 AM]
  4504. maybe the sun falls
  4505.  
  4506. macsga [11:04 AM]
  4507. I don't see Gavin here
  4508.  
  4509. cypherblock [11:04 AM]
  4510. The gavin thing was unfortunate. @csw did you see that as necessary to disrupt authority myths?
  4511.  
  4512. andrewquentson [11:04 AM]
  4513. what authority myths
  4514.  
  4515. mrhodl [11:04 AM]
  4516. lol
  4517.  
  4518. jp [11:04 AM]
  4519. As I said. This slack should be private instead of inviting those like alp and andrew
  4520.  
  4521. andrewquentson [11:04 AM]
  4522. he is claiming the HIGHEST authority
  4523.  
  4524. macsga [11:04 AM]
  4525. alp is Vinny
  4526.  
  4527. iang [11:04 AM]
  4528. Gavin was just caught up in the entire circus. He wasn’t “intended” he was just roadkill as the community responded.
  4529.  
  4530. macsga [11:04 AM]
  4531. let him here I like him
  4532.  
  4533. [11:04]
  4534. :stuck_out_tongue:
  4535.  
  4536. jp [11:04 AM]
  4537. Find the fucking sentence he said he wanted to be the highest
  4538.  
  4539. cypherblock [11:04 AM]
  4540. satoshi is authority myth.
  4541.  
  4542. mrhodl [11:05 AM]
  4543. I can't believe this but i'm with Andrew Quentson on this
  4544.  
  4545. andrewquentson [11:05 AM]
  4546. there is no myth @cypherblock
  4547.  
  4548. mrhodl [11:05 AM]
  4549. @andrewquentson Wanna try and be friends?
  4550.  
  4551. jp [11:05 AM]
  4552. Go back to your dragon den
  4553.  
  4554.  
  4555. andrewquentson [11:05 AM]
  4556. satoshi is presumed to have brains
  4557.  
  4558. [11:05]
  4559. because of what he achieved
  4560.  
  4561. mrhodl [11:05 AM]
  4562. hahahah
  4563.  
  4564. andrewquentson [11:05 AM]
  4565. smarts
  4566.  
  4567. alp
  4568. [11:05 AM]
  4569. lol jp
  4570.  
  4571. andrewquentson [11:05 AM]
  4572. you know
  4573.  
  4574. alp
  4575. [11:05 AM]
  4576. jp who the fuck are you anyway
  4577.  
  4578. andrewquentson [11:05 AM]
  4579. intellect
  4580.  
  4581. iang [11:05 AM]
  4582. We understand that you’re trying to create some great copy - but the myth is dead. SN is no more. It’s over.
  4583.  
  4584.  
  4585. andrewquentson [11:05 AM]
  4586. thats a useful thing
  4587.  
  4588. awemany [11:05 AM]
  4589. @newliberty , @csw: after some fresh air, i think the "aleph1" argument from above has a gaping hole: there needs to be a clear definition of what SHA256 (or any other hash function) *is* then
  4590.  
  4591. jp [11:05 AM]
  4592. I'm the one fuck your modafacker
  4593.  
  4594. alp
  4595. [11:05 AM]
  4596. lol
  4597.  
  4598. awemany [11:05 AM]
  4599. It sounds cool, but I think it does not make sense
  4600.  
  4601. cryptonaut [11:05 AM]
  4602. @andrewquentson it's actually people like you that try to claim Satoshi is "the highest authority". Literally everything csw has said so far has been the opposite
  4603.  
  4604. alp
  4605. [11:06 AM]
  4606. so whats the plan after no one buys this?
  4607.  
  4608. jp [11:06 AM]
  4609. I fucking fun in dat hole to create you piece of shit
  4610.  
  4611. csw [11:06 AM]
  4612. I am not claiming authority at all
  4613.  
  4614. andrewquentson [11:06 AM]
  4615. Satoshi is not an "authority"
  4616.  
  4617. cryptonaut [11:06 AM]
  4618. you are claiming he is
  4619.  
  4620. macsga [11:06 AM]
  4621. @alp boobs and BJ buddy
  4622.  
  4623. andrewquentson [11:06 AM]
  4624. thats like calling einstein an "authority"
  4625.  
  4626. andy [11:06 AM]
  4627. agreed
  4628.  
  4629. mrhodl [11:06 AM]
  4630. Yet, you want us to follow your lead? @csw
  4631.  
  4632. csw [11:06 AM]
  4633. No, I want people to think
  4634.  
  4635. fatman3001 [11:06 AM]
  4636. joined #general
  4637.  
  4638. klee [11:06 AM]
  4639. SHORT LTSHIT MFERS
  4640.  
  4641. mrhodl [11:06 AM]
  4642. I'm think you're full of shit.
  4643.  
  4644. andy [11:06 AM]
  4645. good luck with that one csw
  4646.  
  4647. awemany [11:07 AM]
  4648. csw, I see you are here again. Can you explain how you extend SHA256 to infinite data streams for your aleph1 argument?
  4649.  
  4650. jp [11:07 AM]
  4651. @mrhodl fuck you modafackers. Get the fuck out of here
  4652.  
  4653. mrhodl [11:07 AM]
  4654. jp, eat a dick.. thank you.
  4655.  
  4656. csw [11:07 AM]
  4657. It saddens me, but you may be right Andy
  4658.  
  4659. beautybubble [11:07 AM]
  4660. I see that @charlieshrem is in the channel. Maybe if he came forward in the conversation we can settle things once and for all.
  4661.  
  4662. fatman3001 [11:07 AM]
  4663. Hi all
  4664.  
  4665. mrhodl [11:07 AM]
  4666. English please
  4667.  
  4668. charlieshrem [11:08 AM]
  4669. Hmm?
  4670.  
  4671. fatman3001 [11:08 AM]
  4672. Hi csw
  4673.  
  4674. mrhodl [11:08 AM]
  4675. Hi Charlie
  4676.  
  4677. beautybubble [11:08 AM]
  4678. Oh, there you are!
  4679.  
  4680. andy [11:08 AM]
  4681. some us think. the thoughtful ones are the silent types though.
  4682.  
  4683. charlieshrem [11:08 AM]
  4684. HI
  4685.  
  4686. andy [11:08 AM]
  4687. heya charlie
  4688.  
  4689. beautybubble [11:08 AM]
  4690. I think we need your sensible self injected here Charlie.
  4691.  
  4692. charlieshrem [11:08 AM]
  4693. Regarding?
  4694.  
  4695. beautybubble [11:09 AM]
  4696. I guess people are having an issue believing the @csw is indeed himself.
  4697.  
  4698. jp [11:09 AM]
  4699. Why would we need this guy? Core shiller
  4700.  
  4701. charlieshrem [11:09 AM]
  4702. OK
  4703.  
  4704. [11:09]
  4705. I asked him the same question
  4706.  
  4707. alp
  4708. [11:09 AM]
  4709. jp seems to be on some kind of drugs
  4710.  
  4711. [11:09]
  4712. its funny when aquent is the voice of reason in a room
  4713.  
  4714.  
  4715. iang [11:09 AM]
  4716. icecream :disappointed:
  4717.  
  4718. andrewquentson [11:10 AM]
  4719. always voice of reason
  4720.  
  4721. beautybubble [11:10 AM]
  4722. And are you satisfied that it is indeed Craig?
  4723.  
  4724. charlieshrem [11:10 AM]
  4725. I can confirm @csw emailed me to verify from 2 emails, @ncrypt.com and @rcjbr.org
  4726.  
  4727. jp [11:10 AM]
  4728. First of all, this is not an investigation nor an interrogation.
  4729.  
  4730. beautybubble [11:10 AM]
  4731. Thank you so much.
  4732.  
  4733. alp
  4734. [11:10 AM]
  4735. its whatever we want it to be jp
  4736.  
  4737. cypherblock [11:11 AM]
  4738. @csw that medium post you linked to before doesn’t have any papers you wrote linked. Do you have some papers you’ve written as csw that you could post links to?
  4739.  
  4740. awemany [11:11 AM]
  4741. lets get to some issues: how does the aleph1 SHA256 work? I really like to have input on that, because although it sounds all nice, this one actually is a gaping hole in the above arguments, as far as I can see.
  4742.  
  4743. csw [11:11 AM]
  4744. Not at hand.
  4745.  
  4746. beautybubble [11:11 AM]
  4747. And it is good to have you around. My prayers for your safe return back home were heard.
  4748.  
  4749. andy [11:12 AM]
  4750. Wow. B is going parabolic isn't it?
  4751.  
  4752. jp [11:12 AM]
  4753. 1625
  4754.  
  4755. cypherblock [11:13 AM]
  4756. are there any papers of yours online at all? I really haven’t seen anything academic written by you. Maybe someone else here has links?
  4757.  
  4758. iang [11:13 AM]
  4759. I actually don’t follow that either. Although SHA256 has infinite input, it is only used with a fixed length. So in effect we have SHA256bis which has a finite input. But I’m not a real cryptographer, I just play one on slack.
  4760.  
  4761. csw [11:13 AM]
  4762. AweM... As there is not a means to have a infinite input stream into SHA 256, it remains a discussion that is academic and not one that lends itself to slack
  4763.  
  4764. awemany [11:14 AM]
  4765. we've been discussing that in terms of collisions, and after rethinking it, it doesn't appear to make sense. so I am really curious if you could provide a solid argument on this (edited)
  4766.  
  4767. iang [11:14 AM]
  4768. I miss whiteboards :disappointed:
  4769.  
  4770. macsga [11:18 AM]
  4771. I don't :slightly_smiling_face:
  4772.  
  4773. fatman3001 [11:19 AM]
  4774. apologies to @csw , but I do think it's significant that SN is back (among the living? I assumed he was dead). If I've understood you're trying to create an entity or venue to compete with the ideas promoted by core. BU is such a thing, but a new branch with some well known names and gravitas is significant.
  4775.  
  4776. macsga [11:19 AM]
  4777. Yes, projected value is 11500 USD
  4778. andy
  4779. Wow. B is going parabolic isn't it?
  4780. Posted in #generalToday at 11:12 AM
  4781.  
  4782. fatman3001 [11:19 AM]
  4783. can someone point me to the short and dirty of what the gameplan is?
  4784.  
  4785. csw [11:20 AM]
  4786. Open competition
  4787.  
  4788.  
  4789. agreenberg [11:20 AM]
  4790. joined #general. Also, @david joined.
  4791.  
  4792. andrewquentson [11:20 AM]
  4793. right
  4794.  
  4795. csw [11:20 AM]
  4796. Capitalism in its purest form and in true libertarian format
  4797.  
  4798. andrewquentson [11:20 AM]
  4799. I guess you're sort of not asking for attention now either.....
  4800.  
  4801. tomothy
  4802. [11:20 AM]
  4803. And would segwit impact open competition?
  4804.  
  4805. andrewquentson [11:20 AM]
  4806. welcome @agreenberg
  4807.  
  4808. wings [11:21 AM]
  4809. @csw but there will be hardfork with Core-btc or not ? (edited)
  4810.  
  4811. alp
  4812. [11:21 AM]
  4813. patents and closed source -> open competition lulz
  4814. 2 replies Last reply today at 11:26 AM View thread
  4815.  
  4816. andrewquentson [11:21 AM]
  4817. I was putting @csw through a test @agreenberg
  4818.  
  4819. [11:21]
  4820. I asked him something which is public knowledge
  4821.  
  4822. [11:21]
  4823. but assumed he wouldn't know
  4824.  
  4825. [11:21]
  4826. the question is simple
  4827.  
  4828. csw [11:21 AM]
  4829. SegWit adds incentives for off chain systems at the expense of the main system.,
  4830.  
  4831. andrewquentson [11:21 AM]
  4832. How did Adam Back come to his attention, and by his I mean Satoshi's of course
  4833.  
  4834. [11:22]
  4835. he hasn't replied
  4836.  
  4837. [11:22]
  4838. with an answer
  4839.  
  4840. csw [11:22 AM]
  4841. And A...Q... desires that I answer things in a manner I do not wish to.
  4842.  
  4843. andrewquentson [11:22 AM]
  4844. no no
  4845.  
  4846. [11:22]
  4847. its public knowledge
  4848.  
  4849. iang [11:22 AM]
  4850. @fatman3001 SN isn’t back. SN is dead. What’s happening is that some of the old team are now doing something … more in the public eye. And no longer caring.
  4851.  
  4852.  
  4853. andrewquentson [11:22 AM]
  4854. you dont know the answer
  4855.  
  4856. [11:22]
  4857. if you do state it
  4858.  
  4859. [11:22]
  4860. well
  4861.  
  4862. [11:22]
  4863. if you were satoshi
  4864.  
  4865. tomothy
  4866. [11:22 AM]
  4867. I think that was covered this morning. Did you read the paste bin?
  4868.  
  4869. travin [11:22 AM]
  4870. Andrew can't read.
  4871.  
  4872. checksum0 [11:22 AM]
  4873. I guess not, reading is hard
  4874.  
  4875. tomothy
  4876. [11:22 AM]
  4877. Oh.
  4878.  
  4879. [11:23]
  4880. Talk about a rock and a hard spot then.
  4881.  
  4882. macsga [11:23 AM]
  4883. @andrewquentson he did gave an answer
  4884.  
  4885. tomothy
  4886. [11:23 AM]
  4887. You might not like it.
  4888.  
  4889. fatman3001 [11:23 AM]
  4890. _csw [8:20 PM]
  4891. Open competition_
  4892.  
  4893. F*cking brilliant
  4894. pardon my french
  4895.  
  4896. snoop [11:23 AM]
  4897. Andrew Q does not read
  4898.  
  4899. andrewquentson [11:23 AM]
  4900. he hasn't given the answer
  4901.  
  4902. [11:23]
  4903. if he did, what is it?
  4904.  
  4905. csw [11:23 AM]
  4906. Yes, there seems to be this idea that we can force others to our will in here.
  4907.  
  4908. macsga [11:23 AM]
  4909. @fatman3001 :heart:
  4910.  
  4911. tomothy
  4912. [11:23 AM]
  4913. Hasn't given you the answer you want. Awwwwwwww
  4914.  
  4915.  
  4916. csw [11:24 AM]
  4917. That you have a right to an answer of a question that yu decide you want to ask
  4918.  
  4919. andrewquentson [11:24 AM]
  4920. no, he hasn't give the answer
  4921.  
  4922. [11:24]
  4923. the question has one answer
  4924.  
  4925. tomothy
  4926. [11:24 AM]
  4927. Well, that's an answer in and of itself.
  4928.  
  4929. macsga [11:24 AM]
  4930. @andrewquentson yes, the one YOU want
  4931.  
  4932. [11:24]
  4933. google it man
  4934.  
  4935. [11:24]
  4936. paste it here
  4937.  
  4938. jp [11:24 AM]
  4939. He is just a retard one.
  4940.  
  4941. csw [11:24 AM]
  4942. Is that it A...Q...? Do you think that you decide who and how ?
  4943. That you get to force a response?
  4944.  
  4945. andrewquentson [11:24 AM]
  4946. pardon?
  4947.  
  4948. snoop [11:25 AM]
  4949. AQ is an "Authority"
  4950.  
  4951.  
  4952. tomothy
  4953. [11:25 AM]
  4954. Do you not read English?
  4955.  
  4956. klee [11:25 AM]
  4957. Andrew try picking up a girl in a bar
  4958.  
  4959. [11:25]
  4960. and leave us alone
  4961.  
  4962.  
  4963. jp [11:25 AM]
  4964. Retard can't read
  4965.  
  4966. andrewquentson [11:25 AM]
  4967. I simply asked a question
  4968.  
  4969. [11:25]
  4970. you chose to not answer it
  4971.  
  4972. snoop [11:25 AM]
  4973. AQ has hurt feelings.
  4974.  
  4975. macsga [11:25 AM]
  4976. Ok, on with the tech questions; some pretty significant stuff has been said in here today
  4977.  
  4978. csw [11:25 AM]
  4979. In the last year, I have learnt to deal with media better A...Q...
  4980.  
  4981. You asked, but you offer nothing of value
  4982.  
  4983.  
  4984. andrewquentson [11:26 AM]
  4985. thats like asking a 5 year old whats 1+1
  4986.  
  4987. alp
  4988. [11:26 AM]
  4989. they are ganging up on you aquent, seems like you are on the right track.
  4990.  
  4991. jp [11:26 AM]
  4992. Mommy he doesn't answer me. Mommy!!!
  4993.  
  4994. andrewquentson [11:26 AM]
  4995. and they dont provide an answer
  4996.  
  4997. csw [11:26 AM]
  4998. Do you understand value AQ
  4999.  
  5000. checksum0 [11:26 AM]
  5001. OH snap
  5002.  
  5003. beautybubble [11:26 AM]
  5004. I do believe if we all knew a little bit about intention on social networks we would see that @csw is coming to this SLACK with good intention and has a purpose.
  5005.  
  5006. andrewquentson [11:26 AM]
  5007. can I assume they don't know it?
  5008.  
  5009. [11:26]
  5010. maybeeeeeeeeeee you do
  5011.  
  5012. alp
  5013. [11:26 AM]
  5014. lol
  5015.  
  5016. csw [11:26 AM]
  5017. Free exchange?
  5018.  
  5019. snoop [11:26 AM]
  5020. Alp = ass
  5021.  
  5022. andrewquentson [11:26 AM]
  5023. but what is my little brain to rationally conclude
  5024.  
  5025. alp
  5026. [11:26 AM]
  5027. scammer coming with good purpsose and intent? lol
  5028.  
  5029. tomothy
  5030. [11:26 AM]
  5031. Alp just feels left out
  5032.  
  5033. alp
  5034. [11:26 AM]
  5035. lol
  5036.  
  5037. macsga [11:26 AM]
  5038. VINNY!
  5039.  
  5040. klee [11:26 AM]
  5041. alp-aca
  5042.  
  5043. cobra-bitcoin [11:26 AM]
  5044. joined #general
  5045.  
  5046. macsga [11:26 AM]
  5047. did you buy the dips in XRP?
  5048.  
  5049. tomothy
  5050. [11:26 AM]
  5051. We can throw the ball back and forth. I'll be your daddy, we can play catch.
  5052.  
  5053. checksum0 [11:26 AM]
  5054. Oh my god...
  5055.  
  5056. snoop [11:27 AM]
  5057. Alp=AQ ?
  5058.  
  5059. checksum0 [11:27 AM]
  5060. The trolls are pouring in
  5061.  
  5062. andrewquentson [11:27 AM]
  5063. cute, hi @cobra-bitcoin
  5064.  
  5065. mrhodl [11:27 AM]
  5066. lol
  5067.  
  5068. tomothy
  5069. [11:27 AM]
  5070. No, alp = alfonse.
  5071.  
  5072. andrewquentson [11:27 AM]
  5073. how did you become maintainer of bitcoin.org?
  5074.  
  5075. snoop [11:27 AM]
  5076. Null=Alp=AQ
  5077.  
  5078. cypherblock [11:27 AM]
  5079. can someone just post the answer to @andrewquentson question here so we can move on. Not you csw, I mean someone else. (edited)
  5080.  
  5081. alp
  5082. [11:27 AM]
  5083. left out of what, an orgy with michele seven?
  5084.  
  5085. macsga [11:27 AM]
  5086. in reality he's NotLambChop
  5087.  
  5088. csw [11:27 AM]
  5089. A...Q.. == Andrew Quentson
  5090.  
  5091. cobra-bitcoin [11:27 AM]
  5092. Hey, more active than I expected in here
  5093.  
  5094. alp
  5095. [11:27 AM]
  5096. @cobra-bitcoin welcome its a good time
  5097.  
  5098. mrhodl [11:27 AM]
  5099. Craig in the house.
  5100.  
  5101. tomothy
  5102. [11:27 AM]
  5103. Omg is he nlc?
  5104.  
  5105. alp
  5106. [11:27 AM]
  5107. craigs groupies are here white knighting and aquent is ripping him a new one
  5108.  
  5109. checksum0 [11:28 AM]
  5110. All we are missing is Greg now I guess...
  5111.  
  5112. freetrader [11:28 AM]
  5113. >A...Q.. == Andrew Quentson
  5114. fark me, I though it stood for "Answer ... Question"
  5115.  
  5116. jp [11:28 AM]
  5117. Racist ... I'm a black knight lol
  5118.  
  5119. macsga [11:28 AM]
  5120. @alp ma man where have you been all this time
  5121.  
  5122. csw [11:28 AM]
  5123. And now A...Q... wants answers about a site run in 2008 from a VPN line to a Malaysian system owned and operated bu the same people who run Vistomail.
  5124.  
  5125. travin [11:28 AM]
  5126. Call him Aquent
  5127.  
  5128. andrewquentson [11:28 AM]
  5129. THE ANSWER IS KNOWN
  5130.  
  5131. beautybubble [11:28 AM]
  5132. Well, let's deal with it now.
  5133.  
  5134. mrhodl [11:28 AM]
  5135. lol
  5136.  
  5137. andrewquentson [11:28 AM]
  5138. satoshi would defo know it
  5139.  
  5140. [11:28]
  5141. adam back knows it
  5142.  
  5143. tomothy
  5144. [11:29 AM]
  5145. Don't answer! Lol!
  5146.  
  5147. andrewquentson [11:29 AM]
  5148. its not even fully private
  5149.  
  5150. fatman3001 [11:29 AM]
  5151. _csw [8:21 PM]
  5152. SegWit adds incentives for off chain systems at the expense of the main system.,_
  5153.  
  5154. This one has been bugging me. I've tried to prod core guys about whether they've looked at the consequences of this and thus far I haven't gotten a good reply. I understand they can code and all, but incentive structures need to be researched by people with an insight into systems and economics. The closest I got to an answer was : "Yes, the incentive structure will change."
  5155.  
  5156. Other than that I'm sure Segwit is a marble of engineering.
  5157.  
  5158. andrewquentson [11:29 AM]
  5159. its public
  5160.  
  5161. klee [11:29 AM]
  5162. let us all post random shit, it will be more readable
  5163.  
  5164. mrhodl [11:29 AM]
  5165. This is what you're going with Craig?
  5166.  
  5167. macsga [11:29 AM]
  5168. Adam Back is SN
  5169.  
  5170. [11:29]
  5171. invite him here
  5172.  
  5173. beautybubble [11:29 AM]
  5174. You can use search in SLACK and just see one poster.
  5175.  
  5176. andy [11:29 AM]
  5177. AQ he's not seeking to prove he's SN. How many times does that need stated to you?
  5178.  
  5179. andrewquentson [11:29 AM]
  5180. course he seeking to prove he satoshi
  5181.  
  5182. [11:29]
  5183. he felew gavin there
  5184.  
  5185. [11:29]
  5186. gave him some...
  5187.  
  5188. csw [11:29 AM]
  5189. Fatman3001
  5190.  
  5191. tomothy
  5192. [11:29 AM]
  5193. No, read the sarte article
  5194.  
  5195. andrewquentson [11:29 AM]
  5196. and now...
  5197.  
  5198. macsga [11:29 AM]
  5199. @andrewquentson because your word counts ?
  5200.  
  5201. tomothy
  5202. [11:29 AM]
  5203. Read his prior responses
  5204.  
  5205. csw [11:30 AM]
  5206. The incentives move from mining to "softer" options allowing for easier chages
  5207.  
  5208. andrewquentson [11:30 AM]
  5209. anyway @agreenberg just thought to let you know, tred as you please
  5210.  
  5211. cryptonaut [11:30 AM]
  5212. @andrewquentson if it's publicly known then how would him repeating it prove anything?
  5213.  
  5214. [11:30]
  5215. seems silly
  5216.  
  5217. cobra-bitcoin [11:30 AM]
  5218. Is this actually Craig lmao?
  5219.  
  5220. andrewquentson [11:30 AM]
  5221. because he cant
  5222.  
  5223. macsga [11:30 AM]
  5224. no, it's not! It's what @andrewquentson wants
  5225.  
  5226. csw [11:30 AM]
  5227. As the answer is not the public one.
  5228.  
  5229. andrewquentson [11:30 AM]
  5230. I mean he has had hours of googling opportunity
  5231.  
  5232. [11:30]
  5233. and still cant......
  5234.  
  5235. jp [11:30 AM]
  5236. Yea. Adam back is SN. Craig is con man. Leave him alone
  5237.  
  5238. andrewquentson [11:30 AM]
  5239. if he could he would have jumped
  5240.  
  5241. csw [11:30 AM]
  5242. Segwit also makes the introduction of protocol change far easier than it should be. This is not simple a slippery slope argument, it means that developers and others who are not invested in the system (and I mean economically invested) can make changes that impact the wider system.
  5243.  
  5244. andrewquentson [11:30 AM]
  5245. like he did saying gewrn's blog is wrong
  5246.  
  5247. csw [11:31 AM]
  5248. Moving TxID = H(Tx, Sig) into TxID = H(Tx) plus Sig makes block validation less likely and extends verification
  5249.  
  5250. andrewquentson [11:31 AM]
  5251. the blog does not even mention it!
  5252.  
  5253. [11:31]
  5254. it says how wei came to satoshis attention
  5255.  
  5256. [11:31]
  5257. but not how adam back.............
  5258.  
  5259. [11:31]
  5260. tsssssssssssssss
  5261.  
  5262. [11:31]
  5263. FAIL
  5264.  
  5265. iang [11:31 AM]
  5266. yeah I get it. It’s a worry - the Bitcoin governance layer isn’t really set up. But what would I know.
  5267.  
  5268. csw [11:31 AM]
  5269. LOL A...Q...
  5270.  
  5271. tomothy
  5272. [11:31 AM]
  5273. Oh, thoughts on parallel validation?
  5274.  
  5275. andrewquentson [11:31 AM]
  5276. its not a laughing matter sir
  5277.  
  5278. [11:31]
  5279. its a very serious matter
  5280.  
  5281. tomothy
  5282. [11:32 AM]
  5283. No. No it isn't
  5284.  
  5285. travin [11:32 AM]
  5286. No, Aquent, can't be serious.
  5287.  
  5288. macsga [11:32 AM]
  5289. @andrewquentson WTaF? stop it man
  5290.  
  5291. andrewquentson [11:32 AM]
  5292. it so is he fucking ruined Gavin and the big blocker movement in 2016
  5293.  
  5294. csw [11:32 AM]
  5295. The code notes (at least in the early days it did) the need to change the threading and have parallelism...
  5296.  
  5297. andrewquentson [11:32 AM]
  5298. with his stunt
  5299.  
  5300. andy [11:32 AM]
  5301. Just say you're not Satoshi so they can stop blowing that trumpet.
  5302.  
  5303. klee [11:32 AM]
  5304. andrew has some anal itching it seems
  5305.  
  5306. tomothy
  5307. [11:32 AM]
  5308. Sounds like you feel hurt?
  5309.  
  5310. [11:33]
  5311. Betrayed?
  5312.  
  5313. jp [11:33 AM]
  5314. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5315.  
  5316. prometheus [11:33 AM]
  5317. fascinating to hear that the BTC model follows an epidemic model, like a "virus". I love how much of BTC mimics biology. I definitely noticed the fractal patterns in the BTC price. :slightly_smiling_face:
  5318.  
  5319. macsga [11:33 AM]
  5320. Ch00 Ch00
  5321.  
  5322. mrhodl [11:33 AM]
  5323. If he's not claiming to be satoshi why do we care about anything he says?
  5324.  
  5325. jp [11:33 AM]
  5326. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5327.  
  5328. [11:33]
  5329. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5330.  
  5331. macsga [11:33 AM]
  5332. Who are you again? :stuck_out_tongue:
  5333. prometheus
  5334. fascinating to hear that the BTC model follows an epidemic model, like a "virus". I love how much of BTC mimics biology. I definitely noticed the fractal patterns in the BTC price. :slightly_smiling_face:
  5335. Posted in #generalToday at 11:33 AM
  5336. 3 replies Last reply today at 11:37 AM View thread
  5337.  
  5338. jp [11:33 AM]
  5339. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5340.  
  5341. [11:33]
  5342. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5343.  
  5344. cryptonaut [11:33 AM]
  5345. lol the craig thing last year was just a footnote in the block size debate, I seriously doubt it changed anything besides entrenching beliefs.
  5346.  
  5347. jp [11:33 AM]
  5348. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5349.  
  5350. [11:34]
  5351. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5352.  
  5353. mrhodl [11:34 AM]
  5354. If he's not claiming to be satoshi why do we care about anything he says?
  5355.  
  5356. cobra-bitcoin [11:34 AM]
  5357. Satoshi is here guys, have some respect lol
  5358.  
  5359.  
  5360. cryptonaut [11:34 AM]
  5361. @mrhodl ask yourself that
  5362.  
  5363. awemany [11:34 AM]
  5364. csw: "The code notes (at least in the early days it did) the need to change the threading and have parallelism..." <- for further understanding, can you point out, where?
  5365.  
  5366. jp [11:34 AM]
  5367. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5368.  
  5369. Pinned by jp
  5370. Today at 11:36 AM Pinned by jp
  5371. csw [11:34 AM]
  5372. Oh, Adam wrote hashcash and it is not used in Bitcoin. Sorry to say that and burst your bubble.
  5373.  
  5374.  
  5375. tomothy
  5376. [11:34 AM]
  5377. LOLLLLL
  5378.  
  5379. jp [11:34 AM]
  5380. Die shitcoin die
  5381.  
  5382. macsga [11:34 AM]
  5383. DIEh
  5384.  
  5385. jp [11:35 AM]
  5386. Vinaayyahhha leecuminggg 800 corn
  5387.  
  5388. macsga [11:35 AM]
  5389. where's Vinny
  5390.  
  5391. andrewquentson [11:35 AM]
  5392. what bubble
  5393.  
  5394. klee [11:35 AM]
  5395. I am here
  5396.  
  5397. alp
  5398. [11:35 AM]
  5399. but bitcoin is hashcash with inflation control
  5400.  
  5401. [11:35]
  5402. he was cited by satoshi
  5403.  
  5404. macsga [11:35 AM]
  5405. but but NewLambChop
  5406.  
  5407. jp [11:35 AM]
  5408. I want 800. Where is kleecummingvinanrry?
  5409.  
  5410. klee [11:35 AM]
  5411. shroomskit
  5412.  
  5413. megalodon
  5414. [11:35 AM]
  5415. Vinny promised 850 and traded alts while I waited in fiat for his prediction to come true
  5416. 1 reply Today at 11:37 AM View thread
  5417.  
  5418. csw [11:35 AM]
  5419. Cited. Adam was mentioned as Adam pointed out who to contact Wei
  5420.  
  5421.  
  5422. jp [11:35 AM]
  5423. Lambo choo choo
  5424.  
  5425. macsga [11:35 AM]
  5426. hahahaha
  5427.  
  5428. andrewquentson [11:36 AM]
  5429. yes csw that's what gwern's blog says
  5430.  
  5431. jp [11:36 AM]
  5432. Short btc now 1600, close at 800. 100x. 20000% profit guysss
  5433.  
  5434. andrewquentson [11:36 AM]
  5435. but how did nakamoto get to contact adam back?
  5436.  
  5437. csw [11:36 AM]
  5438. You do understand that a reference is not a pointer to stat that one is an authority?
  5439.  
  5440.  
  5441. klee [11:36 AM]
  5442. STOP IT!
  5443. I WANNA SHORT LTC
  5444.  
  5445. [11:36]
  5446. thx
  5447.  
  5448. andrewquentson [11:36 AM]
  5449. should I tell him guys?
  5450.  
  5451. [11:36]
  5452. I'm just worried he'll use it next time
  5453.  
  5454. csw [11:37 AM]
  5455. LOL
  5456.  
  5457. andrewquentson [11:37 AM]
  5458. ITS NOT FUNNY
  5459.  
  5460. megalodon
  5461. [11:37 AM]
  5462. we're all dying to know...
  5463.  
  5464. andy [11:37 AM]
  5465. LOL
  5466.  
  5467. jp [11:37 AM]
  5468. R3kt
  5469.  
  5470. megalodon
  5471. [11:37 AM]
  5472. :face_with_rolling_eyes:
  5473.  
  5474. andrewquentson [11:37 AM]
  5475. I mean it might be funny for us, others
  5476.  
  5477. tomothy
  5478. [11:37 AM]
  5479. LMFAO@
  5480.  
  5481. checksum0 [11:37 AM]
  5482. IT IS FUNNY AS HELL
  5483.  
  5484. andrewquentson [11:37 AM]
  5485. but
  5486.  
  5487. jp [11:37 AM]
  5488. Short btc now and close at 400.
  5489.  
  5490. [11:37]
  5491. Triple vinanny
  5492.  
  5493. tomothy
  5494. [11:37 AM]
  5495. LOLLLLL
  5496.  
  5497. andrewquentson [11:37 AM]
  5498. ITS NOT FUNNY
  5499.  
  5500. andy [11:37 AM]
  5501. HAHA
  5502.  
  5503. checksum0 [11:37 AM]
  5504. IT IS
  5505.  
  5506. jp [11:37 AM]
  5507. 100x guys
  5508.  
  5509. [11:37]
  5510. Or 500x Yolo
  5511.  
  5512. csw [11:37 AM]
  5513. NO A...Q.. you are in fact a little funny.
  5514.  
  5515. tomothy
  5516. [11:37 AM]
  5517. Please, say it a few more times
  5518.  
  5519. macsga [11:37 AM]
  5520. SHOTR TEH COIZN
  5521.  
  5522. csw [11:38 AM]
  5523. I have not engaged in this before, and I see why so little work is done. (edited)
  5524.  
  5525. klee [11:38 AM]
  5526. SHOTR ALL THE COINZ
  5527.  
  5528. iang [11:38 AM]
  5529. I think it’s a little sad… seeing so much opportunity go to such a waste.
  5530.  
  5531.  
  5532. andrewquentson [11:38 AM]
  5533. really
  5534.  
  5535. mrhodl [11:38 AM]
  5536. Wait, who here believes CSW is Satoshi, raise your :raised_hands:
  5537.  
  5538. 2 replies Last reply today at 11:39 AM View thread
  5539.  
  5540. jp [11:38 AM]
  5541. SHOTR Satoshi loll at csw price, close at Adam back profit
  5542.  
  5543. klee [11:38 AM]
  5544. me
  5545.  
  5546. macsga [11:38 AM]
  5547. :raised_hands:
  5548.  
  5549. megalodon
  5550. [11:38 AM]
  5551. :raised_hand:
  5552.  
  5553. iang [11:38 AM]
  5554. What is belief?
  5555.  
  5556. cypherblock [11:38 AM]
  5557. @andrewquentson doesn’t scronty claim to have brought hashcash into the equation so to speak
  5558.  
  5559. csw [11:38 AM]
  5560. Please don't
  5561.  
  5562. tomothy
  5563. [11:39 AM]
  5564. Part of a team of four, yes.
  5565.  
  5566. nitram [11:39 AM]
  5567. joined #general
  5568.  
  5569. jp [11:39 AM]
  5570. Die shitcoin die
  5571.  
  5572. andrewquentson [11:39 AM]
  5573. don't matter @cypherblock
  5574.  
  5575. klee [11:39 AM]
  5576. Make a future contract at BMEX: Is CSW Satoshi?
  5577.  
  5578. pesa [11:39 AM]
  5579. :raised_hands:
  5580.  
  5581.  
  5582. andrewquentson [11:39 AM]
  5583. this guy was given a social test
  5584.  
  5585. macsga [11:39 AM]
  5586. 1700 in finex
  5587.  
  5588. csw [11:39 AM]
  5589. No, scronty and I did not work together.
  5590.  
  5591. andrewquentson [11:39 AM]
  5592. from public knowledge
  5593.  
  5594. [11:39]
  5595. its an F
  5596.  
  5597. tomothy
  5598. [11:39 AM]
  5599. Totally an f
  5600.  
  5601. jp [11:39 AM]
  5602. Tomorrow: hashcash ICO raise 30M USD issued token on ethtard
  5603.  
  5604. fatman3001 [11:39 AM]
  5605. @csw ok, so the integrity of the network is attacked both by steering incentives off course and by softening the ultimate safeguards of the network. I thought this was accounted for somehow. Ugh...
  5606.  
  5607. andrewquentson [11:39 AM]
  5608. the answer doesnt have anything else but x
  5609.  
  5610. mrhodl [11:39 AM]
  5611. :joy::joy:
  5612.  
  5613. klee [11:40 AM]
  5614. POLO REKT
  5615.  
  5616. andrewquentson [11:40 AM]
  5617. I mean I can reveal it but I think he'd prob just use it next time
  5618.  
  5619. klee [11:40 AM]
  5620. IT IS HAPPENING
  5621.  
  5622. macsga [11:40 AM]
  5623. invite Scronty here
  5624.  
  5625. tomothy
  5626. [11:40 AM]
  5627. Fatman, it is, that's why it wasn't adopted
  5628.  
  5629. snoop [11:40 AM]
  5630. "STOP LAUGHING AT ME!!!!" - AQ
  5631.  
  5632. macsga [11:40 AM]
  5633. I like his l33t haxx0r site
  5634.  
  5635. [11:40]
  5636. AQ is Scronty?
  5637.  
  5638. [11:40]
  5639. :smile:
  5640.  
  5641. csw [11:40 AM]
  5642. Fatman3001, the weight is set centrally in effect, this removal of market based controls means that a central authority gets to control the payments.
  5643.  
  5644.  
  5645. cryptonaut [11:40 AM]
  5646. @andrewquentson just spit it out already
  5647.  
  5648. andrewquentson [11:40 AM]
  5649. it takes balls tho csw
  5650.  
  5651. [11:40]
  5652. big ones
  5653.  
  5654. [11:41]
  5655. to come in here, with your background
  5656.  
  5657. csw [11:41 AM]
  5658. If you think this through, and note that payment is attributed by a central body, can I ask you to follow the money?
  5659.  
  5660.  
  5661. andrewquentson [11:41 AM]
  5662. and claim you are satoshi nakamoto
  5663.  
  5664.  
  5665. jp [11:41 AM]
  5666. Kleecumming vinaaaayyy longcorn at 850
  5667.  
  5668. cobra-bitcoin [11:41 AM]
  5669. No doubt he has balls that's for sure
  5670.  
  5671. andrewquentson [11:41 AM]
  5672. how did you decide to do just that?
  5673.  
  5674. csw [11:41 AM]
  5675. And what background is that A...Q..
  5676.  
  5677. beautybubble [11:41 AM]
  5678. Well I am ready to read any collaterals on the project. If you wanted to post them @csw - Thank you.
  5679.  
  5680. mrhodl [11:41 AM]
  5681. Easy to have balls when you have the State backing you up
  5682.  
  5683. andrewquentson [11:41 AM]
  5684. well
  5685.  
  5686. nitram [11:41 AM]
  5687. let's solve this once and for all...
  5688.  
  5689. jp [11:41 AM]
  5690. @cobra-bitcoin which alts to buy tmrw?
  5691.  
  5692. andrewquentson [11:41 AM]
  5693. there is no evidence of a supercomputer
  5694.  
  5695.  
  5696. klee [11:41 AM]
  5697. @beautybubble your twitter id?
  5698.  
  5699. cobra-bitcoin [11:41 AM]
  5700. Satoshi is it OK if the white paper gets updated?
  5701.  
  5702.  
  5703. andrewquentson [11:41 AM]
  5704. the ATA sort of wants to talk to you
  5705.  
  5706. beautybubble [11:41 AM]
  5707. Same as this handle.
  5708.  
  5709. awemany [11:41 AM]
  5710. lol
  5711.  
  5712. andrewquentson [11:42 AM]
  5713. you mispell in public forums
  5714.  
  5715.  
  5716. csw [11:42 AM]
  5717. White papers are not updated.
  5718.  
  5719.  
  5720. nitram [11:42 AM]
  5721. @csw do you like rick and morty? that will reveal your true character
  5722.  
  5723. andrewquentson [11:42 AM]
  5724. you have a linked in that lists many degrees which dont exist
  5725.  
  5726. beautybubble [11:42 AM]
  5727. https://twitter.com/BeautyBubble
  5728. twitter.com
  5729. Just Find Me...Okay (@BeautyBubble) | Twitter
  5730. The latest Tweets from Just Find Me...Okay (@BeautyBubble). Donations | Tips | Thank Me w. BTC 1N4XyVTpR84neGC9RmQzjz1fn3mmZSwYcZ. Private
  5731.  
  5732.  
  5733. csw [11:42 AM]
  5734. Not in the form it is.
  5735.  
  5736. mrhodl [11:42 AM]
  5737. @cobra-bitcoin Yes, it's def time.
  5738.  
  5739. andrewquentson [11:42 AM]
  5740. you dont know how you became aware of Adam back
  5741.  
  5742. mrhodl [11:42 AM]
  5743. What are you waiting for
  5744.  
  5745. andrewquentson [11:42 AM]
  5746. you gave us all a fake signature
  5747.  
  5748. beautybubble [11:42 AM]
  5749. Okay.
  5750.  
  5751. jp [11:42 AM]
  5752. Corn at 850
  5753.  
  5754. andrewquentson [11:42 AM]
  5755. and dunno
  5756.  
  5757. cobra-bitcoin [11:43 AM]
  5758. But it's your paper, it's OK with you if the incorrect stuff gets changed?
  5759.  
  5760. iang [11:43 AM]
  5761. I don’t think of it is a whitepaper, it’s a paper to me.
  5762.  
  5763. beautybubble [11:43 AM]
  5764. FYI. Twitter always includes your latest pinned tweet to your handle URL.
  5765.  
  5766. [11:43]
  5767. No solicitation meant whatsoever in me posting my handle.
  5768.  
  5769. klee [11:43 AM]
  5770. blackpaper
  5771.  
  5772. csw [11:43 AM]
  5773. I asked you to read a letter from Satre. I see that was more than one could expect
  5774.  
  5775. klee [11:43 AM]
  5776. black pepper
  5777.  
  5778. [11:43]
  5779. PEPPER YOUR ANGUS
  5780.  
  5781. jp [11:43 AM]
  5782. Short the fuck out of polo lolll
  5783.  
  5784. [11:43]
  5785. 1702
  5786.  
  5787. tomothy
  5788. [11:43 AM]
  5789. Aquent see the documents Vlad posted the other day
  5790.  
  5791. iang [11:44 AM]
  5792. see - I told you you needed 2 phones
  5793.  
  5794.  
  5795. csw [11:44 AM]
  5796. And what incorrect stuff?
  5797.  
  5798. cypherblock [11:44 AM]
  5799. @csw I remember you talking a while back about releasing some write up on bitcoin simulations you were running. Did you ever do that?
  5800.  
  5801. klee [11:44 AM]
  5802. signal to noise ratio = ???
  5803.  
  5804. csw [11:45 AM]
  5805. CobraBTC... What is incorrect in the paper?
  5806.  
  5807. jp [11:45 AM]
  5808. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5809.  
  5810.  
  5811. csw [11:45 AM]
  5812. Cypher Block
  5813.  
  5814. cobra-bitcoin [11:45 AM]
  5815. Confirmed definitely not Satoshi, Satoshi never called me "CobraBTC", ew
  5816.  
  5817. csw [11:45 AM]
  5818. These were delayed. Moving to the UK and children...
  5819.  
  5820. [11:45]
  5821. LOL
  5822.  
  5823. jp [11:45 AM]
  5824. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5825.  
  5826. macsga [11:46 AM]
  5827. this troll house is worse than @klee 's
  5828.  
  5829. jp [11:46 AM]
  5830. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5831.  
  5832. tomothy
  5833. [11:46 AM]
  5834. Cypherblock can you link text?
  5835.  
  5836. jp [11:46 AM]
  5837. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5838.  
  5839. fatman3001 [11:46 AM]
  5840. @csw @andrewquentson one day we can arrange to have Craig on an episode of "Who do you think you are?" and all this can be settled.
  5841.  
  5842. klee [11:46 AM]
  5843. ltc on gox
  5844.  
  5845. awemany [11:46 AM]
  5846. jp, what's the reason to spam this?
  5847.  
  5848. cypherblock [11:46 AM]
  5849. no, just remember.
  5850.  
  5851. iang [11:46 AM]
  5852. @newliberty can you kick @jp’s phone, it’s broken
  5853.  
  5854. macsga [11:46 AM]
  5855. @tomothy what is text
  5856.  
  5857. jp [11:46 AM]
  5858. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5859.  
  5860. alp
  5861. [11:46 AM]
  5862. lol
  5863.  
  5864. [11:46]
  5865. Move along guys. Btc just hits 9000 and quickly rising
  5866.  
  5867. tomothy
  5868. [11:46 AM]
  5869. Whatever he's asked csw and csw has responded to, answer but no ?
  5870.  
  5871. awemany [11:46 AM]
  5872. @bitsko , please kck jp, there seems to be a problem indeed
  5873.  
  5874. mrhodl [11:47 AM]
  5875. Wait, @csw you have spoken to @cobra-bitcoin , right?
  5876.  
  5877. alp
  5878. [11:47 AM]
  5879. you cant kick from the main channel
  5880.  
  5881. macsga [11:47 AM]
  5882. :boot:
  5883.  
  5884. tomothy
  5885. [11:47 AM]
  5886. Anti kick slack. Accept the suffering. Like finding Nirvana.
  5887.  
  5888. jp [11:47 AM]
  5889. Lol. Match troll level
  5890.  
  5891. csw [11:47 AM]
  5892. No, I am not confirming certain things. Not in any public manner.
  5893.  
  5894. [11:47]
  5895. :slightly_smiling_face:
  5896.  
  5897. klee [11:47 AM]
  5898. :awesome:
  5899.  
  5900. freetrader [11:47 AM]
  5901. https://bitco.in/forum/threads/general-bitcoin-slack-unaffiliated-unmoderated.2073/
  5902. says "unmoderated" right there, bitsko just staying true to his word (edited)
  5903.  
  5904. bitsko [11:47 AM]
  5905. Im not kicking anyone guys. I dislike it philosophically. This is we we cant have nice things like scaling.
  5906.  
  5907.  
  5908. awemany [11:48 AM]
  5909. i was assuming this was a client malfunction
  5910.  
  5911. alp
  5912. [11:48 AM]
  5913. will you kick me ifi post horse pr0n?
  5914.  
  5915. xhiggy [11:48 AM]
  5916. Yes
  5917.  
  5918. beautybubble [11:48 AM]
  5919. And un-moderated conversational social network is the ideal!
  5920.  
  5921. tomothy
  5922. [11:48 AM]
  5923. Oh. Um.
  5924.  
  5925. xhiggy [11:48 AM]
  5926. I mean, please do
  5927.  
  5928. jp [11:48 AM]
  5929. Now I like you alp
  5930.  
  5931. mrhodl [11:48 AM]
  5932. @csw You're not confirming that you've spoken to @cobra-bitcoin in the past?
  5933.  
  5934. bitsko [11:48 AM]
  5935. You make me sad alp
  5936.  
  5937. tomothy
  5938. [11:48 AM]
  5939. Lol
  5940.  
  5941. luke-jr [11:48 AM]
  5942. @mrhodl that could be falsified, so ofc he won't
  5943.  
  5944. beautybubble [11:48 AM]
  5945. Thank you @bitsko for doing your best to keep it that way.
  5946.  
  5947. mrhodl [11:48 AM]
  5948. @csw You're digging yourself a hole here.
  5949.  
  5950. luke-jr [11:49 AM]
  5951. @mrhodl he's already buried
  5952.  
  5953. mrhodl [11:49 AM]
  5954. We have multiple people in this channel that spoken to Satoshi. You can put all of this to rest right now @csw (edited)
  5955.  
  5956. macsga [11:49 AM]
  5957. @luke-jr fork this mofo
  5958.  
  5959. ajd [11:49 AM]
  5960. Happy belated parity day luke-jr
  5961.  
  5962. macsga [11:49 AM]
  5963. die shitcoin - we all jump into SEXWITH
  5964.  
  5965. cypherblock [11:49 AM]
  5966. @mrhodl except he doesn’t want to prove he is satoshi
  5967.  
  5968. [11:49]
  5969. or he can’t
  5970.  
  5971. klee [11:49 AM]
  5972. @luke-jr how is segwit going? hahahhahaha
  5973.  
  5974.  
  5975. cypherblock [11:50 AM]
  5976. but we cant tell difference
  5977.  
  5978. cobra-bitcoin [11:50 AM]
  5979. Let's just ignore Craig, he's not interesting anymore :disappointed:
  5980.  
  5981. mrhodl [11:50 AM]
  5982. Yeah
  5983.  
  5984. klee [11:50 AM]
  5985. @luke-jr no worries bro, you can still r&d in LTShit!!!
  5986.  
  5987. macsga [11:50 AM]
  5988. KLEE IS HERE
  5989.  
  5990. ajd [11:50 AM]
  5991. Why does it matter if he's Satoshi?
  5992.  
  5993. tomothy
  5994. [11:50 AM]
  5995. That's silly. If sn was part of a team of 4 doesn't matter
  5996.  
  5997. luke-jr [11:50 AM]
  5998. @mrhodl already, nobody with a clue takes @csw seriously; his best hope of getting involved is to pretend the whole pretend-Satoshi thing never happened and start contributing for real
  5999.  
  6000.  
  6001. checksum0 [11:50 AM]
  6002. So I guess you can leave then if you don't find the reason you are here interesting anymore...
  6003.  
  6004. macsga [11:50 AM]
  6005. I'm Satoshi bitches deal with it
  6006.  
  6007. [11:50]
  6008. let me forkr it
  6009.  
  6010. cypherblock [11:50 AM]
  6011. well you guys came here to see csw. why come here just to pester him. See what he has to say. it either makes sense or does not.
  6012.  
  6013. cobra-bitcoin [11:51 AM]
  6014. Didn't come here for Craig, wanted to see how active it was in here in general
  6015.  
  6016. csw [11:51 AM]
  6017. Well, I will leave you all. Have fun - I am off to have a t-bone :slightly_smiling_face:
  6018.  
  6019.  
  6020. luke-jr [11:51 AM]
  6021. @cypherblock I came here cuz I was invited.
  6022.  
  6023. mrhodl [11:51 AM]
  6024. HAhahahahahahahahahahahha
  6025.  
  6026. tomothy
  6027. [11:51 AM]
  6028. Do you know of any patents that cover segwit? Can you discuss?
  6029.  
  6030. fatman3001 [11:51 AM]
  6031. bye csw
  6032.  
  6033. jp [11:51 AM]
  6034. Muahahha. Super rare bloody t bone
  6035.  
  6036. tomothy
  6037. [11:51 AM]
  6038. Enjoy lunch!
  6039.  
  6040. cypherblock [11:51 AM]
  6041. @cobra-bitcoin @luke-jr your lucky day then :slightly_smiling_face:
  6042.  
  6043. cobra-bitcoin [11:51 AM]
  6044. Bye Craig
  6045.  
  6046. macsga [11:51 AM]
  6047. there he left us all alone with @luke-jr
  6048.  
  6049. luke-jr [11:51 AM]
  6050. @cobra-bitcoin what criteria do you want to see before UASF is allowed on bitcoin.org ?
  6051.  
  6052. megalodon
  6053. [11:51 AM]
  6054. toodles
  6055.  
  6056. beautybubble [11:51 AM]
  6057. Thank you for time and honesty.
  6058.  
  6059. klee [11:51 AM]
  6060. rip the t-bone
  6061.  
  6062. cobra-bitcoin [11:52 AM]
  6063. UASF will never be allowed on bitcoin.org, bitcoin.org is for bitcoin, not altcoins
  6064.  
  6065.  
  6066. macsga [11:52 AM]
  6067. and WHERE'S VINNY?
  6068.  
  6069. [11:52]
  6070. did he buy teh dip?
  6071.  
  6072. klee [11:52 AM]
  6073. buying shitcoins
  6074.  
  6075. luke-jr [11:52 AM]
  6076. guess I should be asking that on the uasf channel
  6077.  
  6078. mrhodl [11:52 AM]
  6079. Cobra...not *yet* :wink:
  6080.  
  6081. jp [11:52 AM]
  6082. He is sending more coins to his underwater position
  6083.  
  6084. luke-jr [11:52 AM]
  6085. @cobra-bitcoin bitcoin.org is anti-softfork now?
  6086.  
  6087. freetrader [11:52 AM]
  6088. Where can i buy BTU-AsF
  6089.  
  6090. megalodon
  6091. [11:52 AM]
  6092. so can we all agree that segwit diehards can focus on LTShit and leave bitcoin to the big boys? :sunglasses:
  6093.  
  6094. klee [11:52 AM]
  6095. AMEN
  6096.  
  6097. macsga [11:53 AM]
  6098. yeah
  6099.  
  6100. luke-jr [11:53 AM]
  6101. @megalodon I'd sooner make a new altcoin
  6102.  
  6103. macsga [11:53 AM]
  6104. LTC IZ DA FUTURZ
  6105.  
  6106. beautybubble [11:53 AM]
  6107. I will be on the #random channel.
  6108.  
  6109. megalodon
  6110. [11:53 AM]
  6111. oh you mean UASF ?
  6112.  
  6113. mrhodl [11:53 AM]
  6114. @luke-jr @cobra-bitcoin Not here.
  6115.  
  6116. cobra-bitcoin [11:53 AM]
  6117. @luke-jr bitcoin.org is against hostile takeover of the network unless it has overwhelmbing consensus
  6118.  
  6119. klee [11:53 AM]
  6120. LTC-jr?
  6121.  
  6122.  
  6123. jp [11:53 AM]
  6124. Corn just crash to 400 and quickly crashing more.
  6125.  
  6126. megalodon
  6127. [11:53 AM]
  6128. because tahts what that would be, an alt coin
  6129.  
  6130. macsga [11:54 AM]
  6131. DIE SHITCOIN
  6132.  
  6133. [11:54]
  6134. buy all alts dips boys
  6135.  
  6136. luke-jr [11:54 AM]
  6137. @cobra-bitcoin so the question is, what criteria do you use to determine overwhelming consensus?
  6138. 1 reply Today at 12:02 PM View thread
  6139.  
  6140. macsga [11:54 AM]
  6141. sorry, wrong window, I thought I was typing that in FONTASS slack
  6142.  
  6143. cobra-bitcoin [11:55 AM]
  6144. @luke-jr All the stakeholders agree, so almost all the miners, users, developers, overall economy, etc
  6145.  
  6146. jp [11:55 AM]
  6147. You have been fontasssed
  6148.  
  6149. klee [11:55 AM]
  6150. Vinnied
  6151.  
  6152. luke-jr [11:55 AM]
  6153. @cobra-bitcoin and segwit doesn't have that?
  6154.  
  6155.  
  6156. jp [11:55 AM]
  6157. Yayayyayanayyvinnay
  6158.  
  6159. bitsko [11:55 AM]
  6160. Now i worry we will run out of free 10000 before i get home lol thanks trolls
  6161.  
  6162. andy [11:55 AM]
  6163. This is the weirdest day ever.
  6164.  
  6165.  
  6166. checksum0 [11:56 AM]
  6167. I guess this slack became bitcoin.org slack using the free 10000
  6168.  
  6169. cobra-bitcoin [11:56 AM]
  6170. @luke-jr Nope, a lot of miners are against segwit, and lots of users too unless it comes with a block size increase, so it should never be pushed through as a UASF
  6171.  
  6172.  
  6173. macsga [11:56 AM]
  6174. @bitsko we know this, managed to troll everyone in klee's slack within 2days
  6175.  
  6176. luke-jr [11:56 AM]
  6177. @cobra-bitcoin it does come with a block size increase..
  6178.  
  6179. wings [11:57 AM]
  6180. @klee how is XOF doing ? :stuck_out_tongue:
  6181.  
  6182.  
  6183. cypherblock [11:57 AM]
  6184. @cobra-bitcoin “all the stakeholders” all is a pretty strong criteria.
  6185.  
  6186. luke-jr [11:57 AM]
  6187. @cobra-bitcoin there's only like 2 miners opposed, and pretty few users
  6188.  
  6189. fatman3001 [11:57 AM]
  6190. @andy _"This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone."_
  6191.  
  6192. mrhodl [11:57 AM]
  6193. Miners? Here i thought it was just asic manufacturer.
  6194.  
  6195. cobra-bitcoin [11:57 AM]
  6196. @luke-jr People don't feel that it does enough
  6197.  
  6198. megalodon
  6199. [11:57 AM]
  6200. ay fatman come back to klee's slack :stuck_out_tongue:
  6201.  
  6202. macsga [11:57 AM]
  6203. yeah we missed you black cat
  6204.  
  6205. luke-jr [11:57 AM]
  6206. @cobra-bitcoin I don't get that impression at all. Everyone seems to want it except trolls.
  6207.  
  6208.  
  6209. fatman3001 [11:57 AM]
  6210. @megalodon I never left
  6211.  
  6212. mrhodl [11:57 AM]
  6213. What does "feelings" have anything to do with it?
  6214.  
  6215. macsga [11:58 AM]
  6216. we have none to troll and we troll each other
  6217.  
  6218. mrhodl [11:58 AM]
  6219. It's either a blocksize increase or it's not.
  6220.  
  6221. megalodon
  6222. [11:58 AM]
  6223. send the ol' boy an invite!
  6224.  
  6225. jp [11:58 AM]
  6226. uploaded and commented on this image: e7bb793450426bdf1cb4e79397aea11dea281c31505206ca1bd95fcd3a0404a7.jpg
  6227. 1 Comment
  6228. Btc hits 9000 and quickly rising.
  6229.  
  6230. vlad2vlad [11:58 AM]
  6231. What you people done to this channel? lol
  6232.  
  6233. mrhodl [11:58 AM]
  6234. Segwit IS a blocksize increase. I wish it wasn't
  6235.  
  6236.  
  6237. nicosey [11:58 AM]
  6238. joined #general
  6239.  
  6240. macsga [11:58 AM]
  6241. lol
  6242.  
  6243. vlad2vlad [11:58 AM]
  6244. I'm gone 2 hours and it's trolled to death
  6245.  
  6246. cobra-bitcoin [11:58 AM]
  6247. @luke-jr So then if everyone wants it, let it go through the usual fork process instead of forcing it on others with a UASF?
  6248.  
  6249.  
  6250. macsga [11:58 AM]
  6251. they started this!
  6252.  
  6253.  
  6254. ajd [11:58 AM]
  6255. You don't think calling everyone who doesn't want segwit a troll is problematic?
  6256.  
  6257. luke-jr [11:58 AM]
  6258. @cobra-bitcoin UASF is the usual fork process
  6259.  
  6260.  
  6261. mrhodl [11:59 AM]
  6262. @cobra-bitcoin Asicboost is in the way
  6263.  
  6264. alp
  6265. [11:59 AM]
  6266. @ajd: there are not just trolls against it, morons too
  6267.  
  6268. luke-jr [11:59 AM]
  6269. or at least UESF is
  6270.  
  6271. bitsko [11:59 AM]
  6272. Please pm me any pastebins or recordings thx. I have the first one
  6273.  
  6274. freetrader [11:59 AM]
  6275. UASF == the road to POS or POW change
  6276.  
  6277. mrhodl [11:59 AM]
  6278. No one is stopping any from forking
  6279.  
  6280. freetrader [11:59 AM]
  6281. so sad it wasn't demo'ed on LTC first
  6282.  
  6283. luke-jr [11:59 AM]
  6284. @cobra-bitcoin just because segwit was first proposed with activation delegated to miners means it can't be un-delegated?
  6285.  
  6286. mrhodl [12:00 PM]
  6287. @cobra-bitcoin You think bip9 isn't a mistake?
  6288.  
  6289. cobra-bitcoin [12:00 PM]
  6290. @luke-jr If it has so much support, then it shouldn't need bitcoin.org to help you here
  6291.  
  6292.  
  6293. luke-jr [12:00 PM]
  6294. @cobra-bitcoin I agree, but bitcoin.org could interfere potentially
  6295.  
  6296.  
  6297. ajd [12:00 PM]
  6298. I argued that bip9 was a mistake from the time it was proposed.
  6299.  
  6300. luke-jr [12:01 PM]
  6301. anyway, time for #bitcoin-core-dev meeting, bbl
  6302.  
  6303. andrewquentson [12:01 PM]
  6304. @cobra-bitcoin how exactly did you get to become maintainer of bitcoin.org?
  6305.  
  6306.  
  6307. luke-jr [12:01 PM]
  6308. http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#bitcoin-core-dev
  6309.  
  6310. klee [12:01 PM]
  6311. you mean #litecoin-core-dev
  6312.  
  6313.  
  6314. checksum0 [12:01 PM]
  6315. Oh look, the cop is back...
  6316.  
  6317. ajd [12:01 PM]
  6318. #blockstream-core-dev
  6319.  
  6320. freetrader [12:02 PM]
  6321. Agenda Item 1: stop the brain drain
  6322.  
  6323. tomothy
  6324. [12:02 PM]
  6325. I don't want segwit and I don't want uasf
  6326.  
  6327.  
  6328. andrewquentson [12:02 PM]
  6329. @cobra-bitcoin are you satoshi?
  6330.  
  6331.  
  6332. ajd [12:02 PM]
  6333. " To gracefully upgrade and ensure no long-lasting block-chain split occurs, more than 50% of miners must support full validation of the new transaction type and must switch from the old validation rules to the new rules at the same time. "
  6334.  
  6335. andrewquentson [12:02 PM]
  6336. How did you get maintainer status?
  6337.  
  6338.  
  6339. [12:03]
  6340. Answer me, I don't like it when people don't answer, it leaves everyone to have to assume
  6341.  
  6342.  
  6343. [12:03]
  6344. which means they can speculate...
  6345.  
  6346.  
  6347. checksum0 [12:03 PM]
  6348. The authority is demanding answer guys
  6349.  
  6350. freetrader [12:03 PM]
  6351. pick up that can
  6352.  
  6353. tomothy
  6354. [12:03 PM]
  6355. I'm sorry aquent this has to be awful for you lol
  6356.  
  6357. ajd [12:03 PM]
  6358. UASF is just doublespeak for a developer activated soft fork anyway
  6359.  
  6360.  
  6361. checksum0 [12:04 PM]
  6362. Aquent can't not _not_ know you know?
  6363.  
  6364. cobra-bitcoin [12:04 PM]
  6365. Pretty true, most people just download whatever is pushed on to them on the most visited sites
  6366.  
  6367. andrewquentson [12:04 PM]
  6368. yes, snake
  6369.  
  6370. [12:04]
  6371. HOW DID YOU GET MAINTAINER STATUS OF BITCOIN.ORG?
  6372.  
  6373.  
  6374. ajd [12:05 PM]
  6375. Is this the new question you're going to ask 15000 times?
  6376.  
  6377. snoop [12:05 PM]
  6378. Please don't yell, AQ.
  6379.  
  6380. checksum0 [12:05 PM]
  6381. How much did you drink today Aquent?
  6382.  
  6383. freetrader [12:06 PM]
  6384. I don't like it when people don't answer the question.
  6385.  
  6386. Pinned by jp
  6387. Today at 12:06 PM Pinned by jp
  6388. cobra-bitcoin [12:06 PM]
  6389. Andrew, how long have you been in bitcoin? You're asking the most basic questions that is very public knowledge
  6390.  
  6391. andrewquentson [12:06 PM]
  6392. really?
  6393.  
  6394. snoop [12:06 PM]
  6395. Yes, AQ. Really.
  6396.  
  6397. andrewquentson [12:07 PM]
  6398. its public knowledge how you came to become maintainer of bitcoin.org?
  6399.  
  6400.  
  6401. iang [12:07 PM]
  6402. He didn’t answer my question, either. I didn’t like it :cry:
  6403.  
  6404.  
  6405. mastodon [12:07 PM]
  6406. I asked csw "What's a bitcoin" to no response - he's obviously not Satoshi
  6407.  
  6408.  
  6409. snoop [12:07 PM]
  6410. But Ian does not yell when he does not get his own way.
  6411.  
  6412.  
  6413. checksum0 [12:07 PM]
  6414. I don't feel so good when answers are left unanswered
  6415.  
  6416.  
  6417. [12:08]
  6418. I think I'll have to drink to compensate...
  6419.  
  6420.  
  6421. jp [12:08 PM]
  6422. AQ needs some diapers
  6423.  
  6424.  
  6425. iang [12:08 PM]
  6426. @mastodon … there is a video about that somewhere.
  6427.  
  6428.  
  6429. snoop [12:08 PM]
  6430. Let's not Bully AQ. Let's help him understand his problem.
  6431.  
  6432.  
  6433. jp [12:09 PM]
  6434. AQ ICO issue on Ethtard network
  6435.  
  6436.  
  6437. andrewquentson [12:09 PM]
  6438. Who cares about my problem, question is how does some random guy get maintainer status of bitcoin.org
  6439.  
  6440.  
  6441. beautybubble [12:09 PM]
  6442. There is a wonderful platform called Medium that is very useful for these questions. It allows for everyone to answer. Just an idea.
  6443.  
  6444.  
  6445. snoop [12:09 PM]
  6446. Right. We hear you AQ.
  6447.  
  6448.  
  6449. checksum0 [12:10 PM]
  6450. Your problem affect us all AQ
  6451.  
  6452.  
  6453. beautybubble [12:10 PM]
  6454. Or a Q & A channel would work.
  6455.  
  6456.  
  6457. ajd [12:10 PM]
  6458. That question answers itself.
  6459.  
  6460.  
  6461. checksum0 [12:10 PM]
  6462. We understand, don't worry, the first step is to accept it.
  6463.  
  6464.  
  6465. andrewquentson [12:10 PM]
  6466. it works perfectly fine here too @beautybubble
  6467.  
  6468.  
  6469. [12:11]
  6470. and dont think just because now he might be supporting one thing or another
  6471.  
  6472.  
  6473. [12:11]
  6474. you wont get the same thing in your face
  6475.  
  6476.  
  6477. [12:11]
  6478. there is a reason why norms, conventions, holding ppl to accnt, etc, exists
  6479.  
  6480.  
  6481. beautybubble [12:11 PM]
  6482. Okay. So, then, what is your deal? I mean the questions for days and then it feels as though you don't like the answers.
  6483.  
  6484.  
  6485. andrewquentson [12:11 PM]
  6486. there is a reason why some random guy cant go into apple and just run the company
  6487.  
  6488.  
  6489. beautybubble [12:12 PM]
  6490. I mean you can't keep that up.
  6491.  
  6492.  
  6493. checksum0 [12:12 PM]
  6494. Yes yes, the authority needs to hold people accountable
  6495.  
  6496.  
  6497. alp
  6498. [12:12 PM]
  6499. csw: that's not a fork, THIS IS A FORK
  6500.  
  6501.  
  6502. checksum0 [12:12 PM]
  6503. We understand, don'T worry
  6504.  
  6505.  
  6506. snoop [12:12 PM]
  6507. You tell' everyone AQ. We got your back.
  6508.  
  6509.  
  6510. checksum0 [12:12 PM]
  6511. At least luke is being entertaining
  6512.  
  6513.  
  6514. ajd [12:13 PM]
  6515. The only way a random guy can achieve something is randomly.
  6516.  
  6517.  
  6518. andrewquentson [12:13 PM]
  6519. I'd call it distracting
  6520.  
  6521.  
  6522. [12:13]
  6523. but
  6524.  
  6525.  
  6526. [12:13]
  6527. whatever
  6528.  
  6529.  
  6530. ajd [12:13 PM]
  6531. Or by being a guy, I guess.
  6532.  
  6533.  
  6534. andrewquentson [12:13 PM]
  6535. let it be a playground
  6536.  
  6537.  
  6538. checksum0 [12:13 PM]
  6539. Luke the authority find it distracting, please stop.
  6540.  
  6541.  
  6542. andrewquentson [12:13 PM]
  6543. that will persuade anyone on the sidelines to take any participant in the bitcoin space seriously
  6544.  
  6545.  
  6546. macsga [12:13 PM]
  6547. who is authority
  6548.  
  6549.  
  6550. [12:13]
  6551. klee?
  6552.  
  6553.  
  6554. jp [12:14 PM]
  6555. Kleecumming vinaay for bitcoin president 2020
  6556.  
  6557.  
  6558. macsga [12:14 PM]
  6559. VINNY
  6560.  
  6561.  
  6562. [12:14]
  6563. LUV
  6564.  
  6565.  
  6566. ajd [12:14 PM]
  6567. Wow seriously, that's a core dev being a baby with the reactions?
  6568.  
  6569.  
  6570. jp [12:14 PM]
  6571. Qora with love
  6572.  
  6573.  
  6574. andrewquentson [12:14 PM]
  6575. @luke-jr why are you triggered? Are you @cobra-bitcoin ?
  6576.  
  6577.  
  6578. macsga [12:14 PM]
  6579. no, he's not. He's NotLambChop
  6580.  
  6581.  
  6582. [12:15]
  6583. he's just using @luke-jr slack
  6584.  
  6585.  
  6586. jp [12:16 PM]
  6587. T bone babe.
  6588.  
  6589.  
  6590. [12:16]
  6591. Lambo choo choo.
  6592.  
  6593.  
  6594. [12:17]
  6595. Buy qora at 1 sat, pump to 100sat. F I L T H Y
  6596.  
  6597.  
  6598. andrewquentson [12:17 PM]
  6599. Are you alirght @jp?
  6600.  
  6601.  
  6602. tomothy
  6603. [12:17 PM]
  6604. I don't like it when people don't answer the question.
  6605.  
  6606.  
  6607. jp [12:17 PM]
  6608. Buy qora and diem now AQ
  6609.  
  6610.  
  6611. [12:18]
  6612. We will fontas it
  6613.  
  6614.  
  6615. andrewquentson [12:18 PM]
  6616. Are you the actual jp, jp, can you verify?
  6617.  
  6618.  
  6619. cryptonaut [12:18 PM]
  6620. nice work turning this into a troll fest guys
  6621.  
  6622.  
  6623. checksum0 [12:18 PM]
  6624. He makes about as much sense as you
  6625.  
  6626.  
  6627. andrewquentson [12:18 PM]
  6628. in the usual ways, you know, twitter, no need for descartes philosophy
  6629.  
  6630.  
  6631. tomothy
  6632. [12:18 PM]
  6633. Aquent do you like it when people don't answer the question? (edited)
  6634.  
  6635.  
  6636. jp [12:18 PM]
  6637. Very fontas much wow
  6638.  
  6639.  
  6640. checksum0 [12:18 PM]
  6641. The authority demand to have proof of your identity
  6642.  
  6643.  
  6644. cryptonaut [12:18 PM]
  6645. luke-jr just discovering emojis after coming out of his IRC cave
  6646.  
  6647.  
  6648. jp [12:19 PM]
  6649. LUKEJR emoji ICO raised 30M and quickly rising
  6650.  
  6651.  
  6652. cryptonaut [12:19 PM]
  6653. lmao
  6654.  
  6655.  
  6656. checksum0 [12:20 PM]
  6657. I don't think I ever had that much fun in the span of a few hours...
  6658.  
  6659.  
  6660. tomothy
  6661. [12:20 PM]
  6662. We need more slack emojis
  6663.  
  6664.  
  6665. jp [12:20 PM]
  6666. Vinanny kleecumminggg ICO 800 corns sold all after 1 hr
  6667.  
  6668.  
  6669. beautybubble [12:21 PM]
  6670. How many SLACK emoji's are there?
  6671.  
  6672.  
  6673. checksum0 [12:21 PM]
  6674. Not enough obviously
  6675.  
  6676.  
  6677. [12:21]
  6678. Also, not enough to silence the authority
  6679.  
  6680.  
  6681. beautybubble [12:21 PM]
  6682. I think I can do a spreadsheet and have a projection of when this will end.
  6683.  
  6684.  
  6685. cryptonaut [12:21 PM]
  6686. you can create custom ones
  6687.  
  6688.  
  6689. beautybubble [12:21 PM]
  6690. Oh, no!
  6691.  
  6692.  
  6693. cryptonaut [12:21 PM]
  6694. lol
  6695.  
  6696.  
  6697. tomothy
  6698. [12:22 PM]
  6699. There's a slack emoji website they have animated ones. They're amazing.
  6700.  
  6701.  
  6702. beautybubble [12:22 PM]
  6703. There used to be a SLACK bot that counted the one's each user preferred.
  6704.  
  6705.  
  6706. jp [12:22 PM]
  6707. Custom emoji ICO sold out at 50M market cap
  6708.  
  6709.  
  6710. checksum0 [12:22 PM]
  6711. 50M
  6712.  
  6713.  
  6714. [12:22]
  6715. THAT'S IT?
  6716.  
  6717.  
  6718. beautybubble [12:22 PM]
  6719. Oh, @tomothy that is even worse.
  6720.  
  6721.  
  6722. freetrader [12:22 PM]
  6723. we need a whiteboard to come up with more emoji
  6724.  
  6725.  
  6726. macsga [12:22 PM]
  6727. what is whiteboard
  6728.  
  6729.  
  6730. beautybubble [12:22 PM]
  6731. Hush @freetrader
  6732.  
  6733.  
  6734. macsga [12:22 PM]
  6735. where's vinny
  6736.  
  6737.  
  6738. [12:23]
  6739. nobody likes me here
  6740.  
  6741. [12:23]
  6742. only vinny
  6743.  
  6744. freetrader [12:23 PM]
  6745. @macsga : it's a table tennis table in disguide
  6746.  
  6747. jp [12:23 PM]
  6748. Whiteboard ICO used ethtard network sold 5B market cap
  6749.  
  6750. luke-jr [12:23 PM]
  6751. stoooooooooooop
  6752.  
  6753.  
  6754. andy [12:23 PM]
  6755. lol
  6756.  
  6757. macsga [12:23 PM]
  6758. @luke-jr ma man you're back :heart:
  6759.  
  6760. beautybubble [12:23 PM]
  6761. What if we did it this way. We have #emoji hour and then move on? You guys like that idea?
  6762.  
  6763. checksum0 [12:23 PM]
  6764. I though you had an really important #blockstream-core-dev meeting luke?
  6765.  
  6766. tomothy
  6767. [12:23 PM]
  6768. See, bitcoin can come together. All we needed are slack emojis! (edited)
  6769.  
  6770. jp [12:24 PM]
  6771. LukeJr Stoop scream ICO sold at 10M MARKET cap, exceeding LTShit
  6772.  
  6773. freetrader [12:24 PM]
  6774. we could try just communicating in emojis for a while.
  6775.  
  6776. luke-jr [12:24 PM]
  6777. @checksum0 that's why i can't keep up here
  6778.  
  6779. andy [12:24 PM]
  6780. emoji BIP incoming
  6781.  
  6782. ajd [12:24 PM]
  6783. Apparently his DSL connection can handle IRC and slack *at the same time*
  6784.  
  6785. luke-jr [12:24 PM]
  6786. lol ajd
  6787.  
  6788. beautybubble [12:24 PM]
  6789. Oh, this is Kumbaya.
  6790.  
  6791. jp [12:24 PM]
  6792. BIP 404 - add custom emoji to btc tx
  6793.  
  6794. macsga [12:24 PM]
  6795. no, this is not true, he steals wifi from me
  6796.  
  6797. freetrader [12:25 PM]
  6798. sekret upgrade to 56K
  6799.  
  6800. andy [12:25 PM]
  6801. I'll be glad when this scaling saga is over. What is the next big battle for Bitcoin?
  6802.  
  6803. jp [12:25 PM]
  6804. ICO
  6805.  
  6806. checksum0 [12:25 PM]
  6807. Nobody will need anything more than 33.3k guys
  6808.  
  6809. [12:25]
  6810. plz be serious
  6811.  
  6812. andy [12:25 PM]
  6813. 28800 BAUD BABY
  6814.  
  6815. checksum0 [12:25 PM]
  6816. 300kb per 10 minutes, that's all anybody will ever need.
  6817.  
  6818. macsga [12:25 PM]
  6819. mine is 14400k V32
  6820.  
  6821. freetrader [12:26 PM]
  6822. andy shouting down the wire doesn't decrease the error rate
  6823.  
  6824. luke-jr [12:26 PM]
  6825. @checksum0 that'd be awesome if true
  6826.  
  6827. ajd [12:26 PM]
  6828. gmax said that Bitcoin used to have a 500K block size limit
  6829.  
  6830. andy [12:26 PM]
  6831. there were soft limits that were raised.
  6832.  
  6833. checksum0 [12:26 PM]
  6834. Oh yeah, if we could fit the world in 300kb block, that's be awesome, I agree.
  6835.  
  6836. ajd [12:26 PM]
  6837. I thought he meant a hard limit though
  6838.  
  6839. checksum0 [12:26 PM]
  6840. He is lying as usual
  6841.  
  6842.  
  6843. ajd [12:26 PM]
  6844. the soft limit was less than that
  6845.  
  6846. jp [12:27 PM]
  6847. Hard fork ICO issued on ethtard raised 76M from AXA
  6848.  
  6849. checksum0 [12:27 PM]
  6850. Satoshi did not implement the 1mb for nothing, that was the first hard limit
  6851.  
  6852. ajd [12:27 PM]
  6853. I'm not sure what the limit was he was referring to though.
  6854.  
  6855. beautybubble [12:27 PM]
  6856. It would have been really nice if he had written something for "the emoji."
  6857.  
  6858. luke-jr [12:28 PM]
  6859. @ajd Bitcoin used to have a 500k hard limit that was not directly enforced, but indirectly enforced
  6860.  
  6861. [12:28]
  6862. it predates the 1 MB limit
  6863.  
  6864. ajd [12:28 PM]
  6865. The BDB limit?
  6866.  
  6867. luke-jr [12:28 PM]
  6868. yes
  6869.  
  6870. ajd [12:28 PM]
  6871. okay
  6872.  
  6873. [12:30]
  6874. BIP 50 was the way Satoshi should have implemented the 1 meg limit.
  6875.  
  6876. [12:31]
  6877. Maybe more than 2 months though
  6878.  
  6879. andrewquentson [12:32 PM]
  6880. Which satoshi @csw or @cobra-bitcoin ?
  6881.  
  6882. [12:32]
  6883. we have two of them
  6884.  
  6885. [12:32]
  6886. both fake obs
  6887.  
  6888. alp
  6889. [12:32 PM]
  6890. who said cobra was satoshi?
  6891.  
  6892. ajd [12:32 PM]
  6893. Who would have imagined there'd be so much fighting over raising that limit, though?
  6894.  
  6895. andrewquentson [12:32 PM]
  6896. theymos
  6897.  
  6898. checksum0 [12:32 PM]
  6899. And the authority is back...
  6900.  
  6901. freetrader [12:32 PM]
  6902. satoshi no satoshi, kimosabe
  6903.  
  6904. andrewquentson [12:34 PM]
  6905. @cobra-bitcoin are you satoshi?
  6906.  
  6907. [12:34]
  6908. is that how you gained maintainer status of bitcoin.org @cobra-bitcoin ?
  6909.  
  6910. alp
  6911. [12:34 PM]
  6912. when did theymos say that
  6913.  
  6914. andrewquentson [12:35 PM]
  6915. before the mess
  6916.  
  6917. awemany [12:35 PM]
  6918. @luke-jr : so if the BDB limit was an indirect HARD limit that was enforced, did we hard fork to larger blocks already? :smile:
  6919.  
  6920. luke-jr [12:36 PM]
  6921. @awemany yes, we did, May 2013
  6922.  
  6923. beautybubble [12:36 PM]
  6924. Who gets in the SLACK core dev?
  6925.  
  6926. awemany [12:36 PM]
  6927. I am happy to hear that, Luke :slightly_smiling_face:
  6928.  
  6929. beautybubble [12:36 PM]
  6930. Observers, pundits, traders?
  6931.  
  6932. [12:37]
  6933. Besides the developers.
  6934.  
  6935. andrewquentson [12:37 PM]
  6936. they don't have a slack, they have IRC, but why do small blockers not ask where did this cobra guy come from?
  6937.  
  6938. checksum0 [12:37 PM]
  6939. You can always expect Luke-jr to be faire
  6940.  
  6941. luke-jr [12:37 PM]
  6942. developers don't typically use slack
  6943.  
  6944. checksum0 [12:37 PM]
  6945. He is crazy... but fair...
  6946.  
  6947. andrewquentson [12:38 PM]
  6948. I mean, his avatar is a cobra snake!
  6949.  
  6950. [12:38]
  6951. what other symbol do you want?
  6952.  
  6953. checksum0 [12:38 PM]
  6954. SO WHAT?
  6955.  
  6956. [12:38]
  6957. WHO GIVES A FUCK?
  6958.  
  6959. andrewquentson [12:38 PM]
  6960. do you wants it spelled out?
  6961.  
  6962. checksum0 [12:38 PM]
  6963. WHAT KIND OF SYMBOL?
  6964.  
  6965. andrewquentson [12:38 PM]
  6966. HE BRINGING VENOM
  6967.  
  6968. checksum0 [12:38 PM]
  6969. WHO CARES?
  6970.  
  6971. [12:38]
  6972. It's a fucking snake for fuck sake
  6973.  
  6974. alp
  6975. [12:39 PM]
  6976. why does anyone care where he came from?
  6977.  
  6978. checksum0 [12:39 PM]
  6979. Nobody cares besides Aquent obviously
  6980.  
  6981. andrewquentson [12:39 PM]
  6982. because he gained maintainer status of bitcoin.org
  6983.  
  6984. xhiggy [12:39 PM]
  6985. It's a fair question
  6986.  
  6987. checksum0 [12:39 PM]
  6988. He can't respect that somebody don't want to disclose their identity
  6989.  
  6990. andrewquentson [12:39 PM]
  6991. its like someone suddenly becoming maintainer of the bitcoin github
  6992.  
  6993. xhiggy [12:39 PM]
  6994. Bu the doesn't have to answer it
  6995.  
  6996. andrewquentson [12:39 PM]
  6997. out of nothing
  6998.  
  6999. xhiggy [12:39 PM]
  7000. *but
  7001.  
  7002. checksum0 [12:39 PM]
  7003. Then congrats
  7004.  
  7005. [12:40]
  7006. There is no such thing as a bitcoin github
  7007.  
  7008. andrewquentson [12:40 PM]
  7009. I mean, sure, right now maybe he hormones small blockers, but tomorrow?
  7010.  
  7011. beautybubble [12:40 PM]
  7012. Drop.
  7013.  
  7014. checksum0 [12:40 PM]
  7015. That sentence make no sense
  7016.  
  7017. andrewquentson [12:41 PM]
  7018. do the brain dead
  7019.  
  7020. travin [12:41 PM]
  7021. Aquent, this isn't bitcointraders
  7022.  
  7023. beautybubble [12:41 PM]
  7024. Check your accounts.
  7025.  
  7026. damelon [12:43 PM]
  7027. joined #general
  7028.  
  7029. alp
  7030. [12:43 PM]
  7031. why anyone care he has it? roger ver has bitcoin.com... who cares.
  7032.  
  7033. freetrader [12:43 PM]
  7034. drop indeed :slightly_smiling_face:
  7035.  
  7036. beautybubble [12:43 PM]
  7037. Pardon @alp
  7038.  
  7039. [12:44]
  7040. Many of us have our lives in this.
  7041.  
  7042. travin [12:45 PM]
  7043. I think he's talking about the website.
  7044.  
  7045. andrewquentson [12:46 PM]
  7046. roger ver has an identity (edited)
  7047.  
  7048. alp
  7049. [12:46 PM]
  7050. so
  7051.  
  7052. andrewquentson [12:46 PM]
  7053. if he does something super stupid there can be public pressure
  7054.  
  7055. [12:46]
  7056. how do you public pressure a cobra snake?
  7057.  
  7058. alp
  7059. [12:46 PM]
  7060. that sounds like a good thing
  7061.  
  7062. [12:46]
  7063. i dont want anyone being under duress
  7064.  
  7065. mrhodl [12:47 PM]
  7066. We need more anonymous people in the space.
  7067.  
  7068. alp
  7069. [12:47 PM]
  7070. what if the cia wanted to coerce roger into doing something evil
  7071.  
  7072. andrewquentson [12:47 PM]
  7073. you don't want someone with huge influence to be held to account?
  7074.  
  7075. alp
  7076. [12:47 PM]
  7077. much better no one knows who he is
  7078.  
  7079. [12:47]
  7080. you are correct andrew
  7081.  
  7082. andrewquentson [12:47 PM]
  7083. what keeps him from abusing it then?
  7084.  
  7085. alp
  7086. [12:47 PM]
  7087. I dont want people to be able to be threateaned, kidnapped, etc...
  7088.  
  7089. andrewquentson [12:47 PM]
  7090. the influence?
  7091.  
  7092. alp
  7093. [12:47 PM]
  7094. you ignore the site if its abusive
  7095.  
  7096. [12:47]
  7097. just like we do with bitcoin.com
  7098.  
  7099. andrewquentson [12:48 PM]
  7100. well, its first rank on google
  7101.  
  7102. [12:48]
  7103. noobs can't just ignore it
  7104.  
  7105. [12:48]
  7106. what if he inserted a mallicious wallet?
  7107.  
  7108. beautybubble [12:48 PM]
  7109. I think we should be nicer people.
  7110.  
  7111. alp
  7112. [12:49 PM]
  7113. then you tell people he put a malicious wallet
  7114.  
  7115. [12:49]
  7116. he already has a malicious wallet
  7117.  
  7118. andrewquentson [12:49 PM]
  7119. well, you're afforded to not be nice when you're a cobra snake
  7120.  
  7121. alp
  7122. [12:49 PM]
  7123. so you warn people
  7124.  
  7125. [12:49]
  7126. apparently his reputation doesnt matter to him anyway
  7127.  
  7128. [12:49]
  7129. so your theory doesnt work so good andrew
  7130.  
  7131. andrewquentson [12:49 PM]
  7132. do you wear a mask when you walk down the street alp?
  7133.  
  7134. [12:50]
  7135. imagine if the ceo of apple walked around with a mask...
  7136.  
  7137. alp
  7138. [12:50 PM]
  7139. whats your point?
  7140.  
  7141. andrewquentson [12:50 PM]
  7142. how do you hold him to account?
  7143.  
  7144. alp
  7145. [12:50 PM]
  7146. I like privacy
  7147.  
  7148. andrewquentson [12:50 PM]
  7149. you, sure
  7150.  
  7151. [12:50]
  7152. the ceo of apple? nah thanks
  7153.  
  7154. [12:50]
  7155. he could run with all the 500 billion apple has
  7156.  
  7157. [12:50]
  7158. or
  7159.  
  7160. ajd [12:50 PM]
  7161. FWIW, there was never a 500k hard limit. The 500k soft limit (which was imposed after the 1 meg hard limit) just made the triggering of a certain bug in the locking system unlikely. But blocks above 500k could be and were created despite that bug. See BIP50. (edited)
  7162.  
  7163. andrewquentson [12:50 PM]
  7164. for bitcoin.org, splash it with scam ads and whatever
  7165.  
  7166. [12:51]
  7167. and what does that do to bitcoin's name?
  7168.  
  7169. alp
  7170. [12:51 PM]
  7171. we already have that with roger ver
  7172.  
  7173. [12:51]
  7174. so hows that reputation based accountability going
  7175.  
  7176. andrewquentson [12:51 PM]
  7177. roger is a known person
  7178.  
  7179. [12:51]
  7180. he does it all openly
  7181.  
  7182. [12:51]
  7183. if there is something there is recourse, accountability
  7184.  
  7185. alp
  7186. [12:51 PM]
  7187. what recourse?
  7188.  
  7189. [12:52]
  7190. i mean hes doing it today
  7191.  
  7192. andrewquentson [12:52 PM]
  7193. he has to, is forced to, stick within ethical lines
  7194.  
  7195. alp
  7196. [12:52 PM]
  7197. all we can do is shame him
  7198.  
  7199. [12:52]
  7200. no he isnt
  7201.  
  7202. andrewquentson [12:52 PM]
  7203. how do you hold a cobra snake within ethical lines?
  7204.  
  7205. alp
  7206. [12:52 PM]
  7207. the same way you hold roger
  7208.  
  7209. [12:52]
  7210. are you suggesting someone be jailed?
  7211.  
  7212. andrewquentson [12:52 PM]
  7213. if they do something criminal, then sure
  7214.  
  7215. alp
  7216. [12:52 PM]
  7217. ok, so what if its not criminal
  7218.  
  7219. [12:53]
  7220. what then
  7221.  
  7222. andrewquentson [12:53 PM]
  7223. well, that's the point
  7224.  
  7225. [12:53]
  7226. how do you feel the public pressure when you are a cobra snake?
  7227.  
  7228. [12:53]
  7229. he is totes anon
  7230.  
  7231. [12:53]
  7232. which means he can do what he pleases
  7233.  
  7234. [12:53]
  7235. he could
  7236.  
  7237. alp
  7238. [12:53 PM]
  7239. how do you put pressure on roger?
  7240.  
  7241. travin [12:53 PM]
  7242. Same I guess when one complains about Brexit all day and just hangs around IRC while never going out to vote. (edited)
  7243.  
  7244. alp
  7245. [12:54 PM]
  7246. which means he can do what he pleases.
  7247.  
  7248. andrewquentson [12:54 PM]
  7249. load mallicious wallets that steel all your bitcoins
  7250.  
  7251. [12:54]
  7252. and youd have no recourse
  7253.  
  7254. alp
  7255. [12:54 PM]
  7256. lol voting is for morons
  7257. 3 replies Last reply today at 12:55 PM View thread
  7258.  
  7259. andrewquentson [12:54 PM]
  7260. with roger there would be recourse
  7261.  
  7262. [12:54]
  7263. you can sue him or he can get imprisoned
  7264.  
  7265. alp
  7266. [12:54 PM]
  7267. WHAT recourse?
  7268.  
  7269. andrewquentson [12:54 PM]
  7270. with a cobra snake...
  7271.  
  7272. alp
  7273. [12:54 PM]
  7274. ok so you can sue him?
  7275.  
  7276. andrewquentson [12:54 PM]
  7277. or he could be locked up
  7278.  
  7279. [12:54]
  7280. he has bounderies
  7281.  
  7282. alp
  7283. [12:54 PM]
  7284. so you are suggesting using governments to control what is on bitcoin domains or in bitcoin code?
  7285.  
  7286. andrewquentson [12:54 PM]
  7287. a cobra snake has no bounderies
  7288.  
  7289. alp
  7290. [12:54 PM]
  7291. you say it like thats a bad thing
  7292.  
  7293. [12:54]
  7294. that sthe feature, not a bug
  7295.  
  7296. andrewquentson [12:55 PM]
  7297. im suggesting locking up whoever does anything criminal
  7298.  
  7299. ajd [12:55 PM]
  7300. everyone does something criminal
  7301.  
  7302. andrewquentson [12:56 PM]
  7303. and no, a complete random guy getting maintainer status is not a feature
  7304.  
  7305. [12:56]
  7306. its a hack
  7307.  
  7308. alp
  7309. [12:56 PM]
  7310. some would say bitcoin itself is criminal
  7311.  
  7312. [12:56]
  7313. would you suggest governments should lock up bitcoin developers?
  7314.  
  7315. andrewquentson [12:57 PM]
  7316. whoever created bitcoin proved him/themselves, now if randomly someone becomes maintainer of bitcoin
  7317.  
  7318. [12:57]
  7319. there is no proof here
  7320.  
  7321. [12:57]
  7322. there is no indication of rationality or anything
  7323.  
  7324. [12:58]
  7325. its a loophole, which they can play for their own pleasure and burn it all
  7326.  
  7327. [12:58]
  7328. because what do they care
  7329.  
  7330. [12:58]
  7331. they dont have the mind of whoever created it, or its inclination
  7332.  
  7333. [12:58]
  7334. they may be retarded idiots for all we know who just somehow become maintainers
  7335.  
  7336. [12:58]
  7337. thus the implicit accountablity
  7338.  
  7339. [12:58]
  7340. is gone
  7341.  
  7342. alp
  7343. [12:58 PM]
  7344. do you think governments should lock up satoshi?
  7345.  
  7346. mrhodl [12:59 PM]
  7347. @andrewquentson Why do you think Satoshi stayed anonymous?
  7348.  
  7349. andrewquentson [12:59 PM]
  7350. @cobra-bitcoin is no satoshi
  7351.  
  7352. [12:59]
  7353. not close
  7354.  
  7355. alp
  7356. [12:59 PM]
  7357. ok
  7358.  
  7359. mrhodl [12:59 PM]
  7360. yeah, i know
  7361.  
  7362. [12:59]
  7363. That doesn't answer my question
  7364.  
  7365. andrewquentson [12:59 PM]
  7366. Satoshi proved himself
  7367.  
  7368. [12:59]
  7369. so the calculus there is different
  7370.  
  7371. [1:00]
  7372. a completley random guy
  7373.  
  7374. [1:00]
  7375. is very different
  7376.  
  7377. mrhodl [1:00 PM]
  7378. So he had a right to stay anonymous and someone else doesn't?
  7379.  
  7380. andrewquentson [1:00 PM]
  7381. yes
  7382.  
  7383. [1:00]
  7384. because he proved himself (edited)
  7385.  
  7386. mrhodl [1:00 PM]
  7387. What if cobra proved himself to me
  7388.  
  7389. andrewquentson [1:00 PM]
  7390. this someone else didnt
  7391.  
  7392. [1:00]
  7393. satoshi proved himself to all
  7394.  
  7395. [1:00]
  7396. you are just one blip
  7397.  
  7398. [1:00]
  7399. among a sea of blips
  7400.  
  7401. mrhodl [1:01 PM]
  7402. did he fuck up bitcoin.org?
  7403.  
  7404. [1:01]
  7405. You see any viruses on there?
  7406.  
  7407. andrewquentson [1:01 PM]
  7408. so, trust him?
  7409.  
  7410. mrhodl [1:01 PM]
  7411. You don't need to trust him
  7412.  
  7413. andrewquentson [1:01 PM]
  7414. and what if he does put viruses there?
  7415.  
  7416. mrhodl [1:01 PM]
  7417. you can't force his hand either.
  7418.  
  7419. alp
  7420. [1:01 PM]
  7421. if he puts viruses there then we stop using it
  7422.  
  7423. andrewquentson [1:01 PM]
  7424. what are you going to do?
  7425.  
  7426. [1:01]
  7427. we?
  7428.  
  7429. [1:01]
  7430. who is we?
  7431.  
  7432. [1:02]
  7433. does google stop using them?
  7434.  
  7435. mrhodl [1:02 PM]
  7436. I'll boycott bitcoin.org
  7437.  
  7438. [1:02]
  7439. as i'm sure you will
  7440.  
  7441. andrewquentson [1:02 PM]
  7442. do the thousands, millions of sites linking to it?
  7443.  
  7444. mrhodl [1:02 PM]
  7445. They link it bitcoin.org because it's built a reputation over the years
  7446.  
  7447. andrewquentson [1:02 PM]
  7448. satoshi's reputation
  7449.  
  7450. [1:03]
  7451. he created the site
  7452.  
  7453. [1:03]
  7454. and then some random guy comes and somehow becomes maintainer!
  7455.  
  7456. mrhodl [1:03 PM]
  7457. cobra has maintained bitcoin.org longer than satoshi.
  7458.  
  7459. andrewquentson [1:03 PM]
  7460. what
  7461.  
  7462. mrhodl [1:03 PM]
  7463. Do you see any reasons to to trust cobra?
  7464.  
  7465. andrewquentson [1:03 PM]
  7466. I mean you guys are all ra ra about craig wright
  7467.  
  7468. [1:03]
  7469. but ignore your own craig wright
  7470.  
  7471. mrhodl [1:03 PM]
  7472. Craig is a scammer
  7473.  
  7474. andrewquentson [1:03 PM]
  7475. and @cobra-bitcoin ?
  7476.  
  7477. mrhodl [1:03 PM]
  7478. How did cobra scam?
  7479.  
  7480. [1:04]
  7481. Tell me
  7482.  
  7483. andrewquentson [1:04 PM]
  7484. by claiming he is satoshi
  7485.  
  7486. new messages
  7487. mrhodl [1:04 PM]
  7488. What!?
  7489.  
  7490. [1:04]
  7491. lol
  7492.  
  7493. [1:04]
  7494. source please
  7495.  
  7496. andrewquentson [1:04 PM]
  7497. dude
  7498.  
  7499. [1:04]
  7500. how does he become maintainer/
  7501.  
  7502. [1:04]
  7503. I mean
  7504.  
  7505. satoshi [1:05 PM]
  7506. Cobra has also made some really idiotic suggestions too.
  7507.  
  7508. mrhodl [1:05 PM]
  7509. What does that have to do with him saying he's satoshi ?
  7510.  
  7511. [1:05]
  7512. Guys.. bitcoin is at all time highs
  7513.  
  7514. [1:05]
  7515. cheer up
  7516.  
  7517. alp
  7518. [1:05 PM]
  7519. not good news if you are all in on dash
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