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[11:46:01 AM] Kain: hi.
[1:59:13 PM] Ashema Bahumat: Heh, sup dude
[1:59:25 PM] Ashema Bahumat: Been a while
[1:59:33 PM] Kain: yeah.
[1:59:53 PM] Kain: I guess we just don't have a lot to say to each other
[2:00:33 PM] Kain: in all honesty, though, I chatted you up because, well, you said you considered Mew a friend now
[2:01:38 PM] Kain: argh, this diplomatic wording isn't working out for me
[2:02:20 PM] Ashema Bahumat: Something on your mind?
[2:02:26 PM] Kain: yeah, actually
[2:02:38 PM] Kain: Kreg mentioned she got harassed 'the other day' didn't he
[2:02:51 PM] Kain: I wanted to clear some stuff up regarding that
[2:03:22 PM] Ashema Bahumat: Ah, I see
[2:03:33 PM] Kain: http://pastebin.com/payPnFbw
[2:03:36 PM] Ashema Bahumat: Differences in opinions, really
[2:03:51 PM] Kain: http://pastebin.com/xMJnjyeU
[2:04:36 PM] Kain: as an aside, please don't say anything to Mew about these
[2:04:59 PM] Ashema Bahumat: got it
[2:05:16 PM] Ashema Bahumat: and first thing that sticks out to me: surgery?
[2:05:26 PM] Ashema Bahumat: holy shit
[2:05:34 PM] Kain: not as bad as it sounds
[2:05:48 PM] Ashema Bahumat: wasn't anything major, right?
[2:05:50 PM] Kain: it was for a cochlear implant
[2:06:00 PM] Kain: so I guess it depends on what you mean by major
[2:07:06 PM] Ashema Bahumat: not gonna lie, I just googled it
[2:07:13 PM] Ashema Bahumat: jesus
[2:07:37 PM] Ashema Bahumat: are you doing fine?
[2:07:45 PM] Kain: it was like over a month ago by now
[2:07:50 PM] Kain: I'm good now
[2:07:58 PM] Kain: I felt like shit immediately after
[2:08:07 PM] Kain: but it's w/e
[2:08:56 PM] Ashema Bahumat: ah, well, at least you're fine now
[2:11:06 PM] Kain: ya
[2:12:07 PM] Ashema Bahumat: still scanning through the first one, and... kreg is really easy to offend, huh?
[2:12:56 PM] Ashema Bahumat: just because someone doesn't have a positive opinion about someone, they're an enemy now?
[2:13:09 PM] Ashema Bahumat: man...
[2:13:21 PM] Ashema Bahumat: think I gave the guy to much credit...
[2:14:13 PM | Edited 2:14:23 PM] Ashema Bahumat: or, at least that's what I got from it, since that part seems to be an excerpt
[2:14:36 PM] Kain: it was more or less a straight copy-paste from skype logs
[2:16:41 PM] Ashema Bahumat: oh, I know that. I meant I don't know what he was saying that about, so I assume that it was over a slightly negative opinion.
[2:16:53 PM] Kain: see, here's the thing
[2:17:06 PM] Kain: this was directly in relation with what I just said to Mew
[2:17:37 PM] Kain: I had the guy on my friends list, but we never talked  until that part
[2:18:02 PM] Kain: I added that part in to give context to the 'this wasn't a private conversation after all' part
[2:18:50 PM] Ashema Bahumat: ah
[2:18:59 PM] Ashema Bahumat: ok then
[2:20:12 PM] Ashema Bahumat: ok, scanned through the first one
[2:21:24 PM] Ashema Bahumat: seems to be about stuff I wouldn't really know about, since every time I see Mew in the chat, people go all white knight over her
[2:22:02 PM] Ashema Bahumat: had no idea about her going through that
[2:22:22 PM] Ashema Bahumat: were these things recent?
[2:22:37 PM] Ashema Bahumat: cuz, she's been mia for a few days
[2:22:57 PM] Kain: pretty recent, actually
[2:23:17 PM] Ashema Bahumat: claiming to be sick, but I'm thinking its related to this
[2:23:27 PM] Ashema Bahumat: hm...
[2:23:36 PM] Ashema Bahumat: gonna go through the other one
[2:24:45 PM] Kain: event in question happened nearly a week ago, and Kreg said she was harassed on Wednesday
[2:25:24 PM] Ashema Bahumat: (2:02 AM) Seraphna: It's cute, they tried to get me to ban you. But I reminded them my job doesn't include banning people for activities outside the community.
(2:03 AM) Fenrir Highwind: wait
(2:03 AM) Fenrir Highwind: they, plural?
(2:03 AM) Seraphna: Plom, Mew, Giga and him and "Mew's close friend Matt"
[2:25:26 PM] Ashema Bahumat: ok
[2:25:28 PM] Ashema Bahumat: this
[2:25:36 PM] Ashema Bahumat: what the actual fuck?
[2:26:45 PM] Ashema Bahumat: hm... I'm starting to think that they really do go white knight around her
[2:27:04 PM] Ashema Bahumat: I was slightly joking when I said that earlier
[2:27:52 PM] Kain: indeed...
[2:28:09 PM] Ashema Bahumat: (2:22 AM) Seraphna: A "fan" who does nothing seemingly but shit talk the creator and his writing ability.
[2:28:14 PM] Ashema Bahumat: this is so fucking true
[2:28:32 PM] Ashema Bahumat: and what the literal fuck?
[2:29:04 PM] Ashema Bahumat: trying to get a friend banned...?
[2:29:11 PM] Kain: man, there's a reason I barely even talked in the PAN
[2:29:40 PM] Ashema Bahumat: fuck...
[2:30:06 PM] Kain: at first it was just that I didn't actually like most of the convos
[2:30:37 PM] Kain: but these dudes have a nasty attitude towards anyone who disagrees with them
[2:30:42 PM] Ashema Bahumat: ^
[2:30:44 PM] Ashema Bahumat: yes
[2:30:46 PM] Ashema Bahumat: I know
[2:30:55 PM] Kain: and I really don't want to deal with that shit
[2:31:03 PM] Ashema Bahumat: I just looked past that, but damn...
[2:31:27 PM] Ashema Bahumat: gotta think twice about Mew's spot on Project:Freedom...
[2:31:43 PM] Ashema Bahumat: shit, about Mew in general
[2:31:58 PM] Ashema Bahumat: (2:31 AM) Seraphna: Self glorifying by putting down original stuff
[2:32:04 PM] Ashema Bahumat: ^
[2:32:19 PM] Ashema Bahumat: sums her up in one sentence
[2:32:45 PM] Ashema Bahumat: I felt like that's all she does, but tried to get past it by calling it an opinion
[2:33:19 PM] Ashema Bahumat: but damnit, that on top of trying to ban you
[2:33:26 PM] Ashema Bahumat: its just not right
[2:33:55 PM] Kain: yeah
[2:34:34 PM] Kain: I don't always like your opinions re: game dev, but you're pretty alright dude
[2:35:07 PM] Kain: so I figured you deserved some info
[2:35:20 PM] Kain: but I gotta reiterate
[2:35:50 PM] Kain: please do not say anything to Mew or anyone who was vaguely involved with this
[2:35:54 PM] Ashema Bahumat: I know
[2:36:06 PM] Ashema Bahumat: don't plan to
[2:36:40 PM] Ashema Bahumat: still plan on being her "friend", or whatever the fuck she counts me as
[2:37:03 PM] Ashema Bahumat: but now I know what to expect
[2:37:08 PM] Kain: would not recommend
[2:37:24 PM] Kain: cause, man, you saw what happened
[2:37:31 PM] Ashema Bahumat: ah, true
[2:37:35 PM] Kain: a bit of real talk towards her
[2:37:57 PM] Ashema Bahumat: true...
[2:38:01 PM] Ashema Bahumat: fuck
[2:38:01 PM] Kain: she'll shittalk you behind your back
[2:38:17 PM] Kain: and cry crocodile tears to you
[2:38:36 PM] Ashema Bahumat: now I'm curious to know if she tried to get me kicked, too
[2:38:39 PM] Kain: and hell
[2:38:50 PM] Kain: she was already pretty nasty to you
[2:39:19 PM] Ashema Bahumat: fuck, you're right
[2:41:01 PM] Ashema Bahumat: noticed a while ago that its really easy to blow a wide hole into their arguments, then they cover it up with BS
[2:41:26 PM] Ashema Bahumat: or, they make you second guess your shit
[2:41:43 PM] Ashema Bahumat: or, the white knights came to her rescue
[2:42:08 PM] Ashema Bahumat: or, made it seem like she was hated by everybody to illicit sympathy
[2:42:19 PM] Ashema Bahumat: or, just fucking ignored you
[2:42:31 PM] Ashema Bahumat: fuck
[2:42:37 PM] Kain: bitch got me good with that shit
[2:42:51 PM] Ashema Bahumat: *dick
[2:42:57 PM] Ashema Bahumat: Mew is a dude
[2:43:05 PM] Kain: naw, she's a chick
[2:43:11 PM] Ashema Bahumat: I heard their voice
[2:43:31 PM] Kain: ok I'm confused
[2:43:31 PM] Ashema Bahumat: and they told me something that I can use to reinforce that
[2:44:16 PM] Ashema Bahumat: "I keep my real gender secret because I'm good at writing both genders. Like, really good"
[2:44:21 PM] Kain: so on top of being a drama magnet, she's not even a chick?
[2:44:26 PM] Ashema Bahumat: knew that part was bull shit
[2:44:30 PM] Ashema Bahumat: yea
[2:44:42 PM] Kain: motherfuck
[2:45:10 PM] Ashema Bahumat: don't mention this to them, but everybody who was in a specific group call knows
[2:45:28 PM] Ashema Bahumat: well, maybe not Kreg.
[2:45:41 PM] Ashema Bahumat: he's a special kind of... something.
[2:45:44 PM] Kain: which means 'her' white knight brigade was defending a dude all along
[2:46:06 PM] Ashema Bahumat: yea
[2:46:18 PM] Ashema Bahumat: pretty concerning imo
[2:46:26 PM] Kain: man, in retrospect, blockstar consistently insisting Mew is a dude makes a lot of sense
[2:46:43 PM] Ashema Bahumat: yea
[2:47:11 PM | Edited 2:47:14 PM] Ashema Bahumat: I knew the moment they started murmuring in the call before falling silent
[2:47:17 PM] Kain: fuck
[2:47:23 PM] Ashema Bahumat: and asking me for permission to speak
[2:47:26 PM] Ashema Bahumat: ^
[2:47:32 PM] Ashema Bahumat: this part is what gets me
[2:47:42 PM] Kain: dickhead got me good twice
[2:48:02 PM] Ashema Bahumat: thinking they trust you, and pull some shit like what happened to you
[2:48:47 PM] Kain: son of a bitch
[2:48:51 PM] Kain: argh
[2:49:43 PM | Edited 2:49:48 PM] Ashema Bahumat: don't tell Mew I told you. last thing we need Is another public shit storm
[2:50:01 PM] Ashema Bahumat: actually
[2:50:03 PM] Ashema Bahumat: lol
[2:50:09 PM] Ashema Bahumat: nvm
[2:50:22 PM] Kain: man, I had already made up my mind to not say shit to that asshole
[2:50:44 PM | Edited 2:50:54 PM] Ashema Bahumat: either this shit isn't seeing the light of day, or we get some really good quality salt for our fries
[2:51:18 PM] Kain: cause tbh, what the fuck do I say to someone 8 years older than me
[2:51:41 PM | Edited 2:51:47 PM] Kain: who has been pulling this shit for god knows how long
[2:52:32 PM] Ashema Bahumat: shit, idfk lol
[2:53:38 PM | Edited 2:53:44 PM] Ashema Bahumat: fuck, he's pretty far rooted into Project:Freedom...
[2:54:03 PM] Ashema Bahumat: was already againt having them onboard
[2:54:07 PM] Ashema Bahumat: OH
[2:54:10 PM] Ashema Bahumat: FUCK
[2:54:16 PM] Ashema Bahumat: I WAS RIGHT
[2:54:28 PM] Ashema Bahumat: that cheeky little fuck...
[2:54:55 PM] Ashema Bahumat: hold on, I'mma try and backlog something from the dev group
[2:55:12 PM] Kain: gotcha
[2:58:20 PM] Ashema Bahumat: jesus, needle in a haystack...
[2:58:24 PM] Ashema Bahumat: fuck it
[2:58:52 PM] Ashema Bahumat: basically, he told me that writing the story was essential in making a game
[2:59:41 PM] Kain: on its own, that sounds really innocuous
[2:59:47 PM] Ashema Bahumat: when I said that its a subjective thing, that you should do it the way you want- and Nega agreed with me since I wanted to work on the characters first
[2:59:55 PM] Ashema Bahumat: yea
[3:00:04 PM | Edited 3:00:10 PM] Ashema Bahumat: he said that it would never work
[3:00:25 PM] Ashema Bahumat: that, he'd been part of dev teams that tried it that way
[3:00:40 PM] Ashema Bahumat: and they always broke apart, efforts going to waste
[3:01:02 PM] Ashema Bahumat: even when they had stuff to work with in terms of making the actual game
[3:01:21 PM] Ashema Bahumat: only thing I can think was- you little fuck
[3:01:47 PM] Kain: a veiled insult, I see.
[3:02:10 PM] Ashema Bahumat: yea
[3:02:12 PM] Ashema Bahumat: but
[3:02:35 PM] Ashema Bahumat: the one's where they had free will were the ones that "succeeded" were the ones that he had free reign
[3:02:45 PM] Ashema Bahumat: see what I'm getting at?
[3:03:19 PM] Kain: dude ruins fangame projects if he's not the de-facto leader
[3:03:29 PM] Ashema Bahumat: whenever I said no to an idea, they said that it looks like they weren't wanted
[3:03:35 PM] Ashema Bahumat: fucking true
[3:03:54 PM | Edited 3:04:09 PM] Ashema Bahumat: the sad part is, is that I think I'm the only one who caught it
[3:04:38 PM] Kain: idk what to tell you, man
[3:05:04 PM] Ashema Bahumat: well, we became a pretty close group of people
[3:05:07 PM] Ashema Bahumat: without Mew
[3:05:21 PM] Ashema Bahumat: and they're never around when the bonding is happening
[3:05:38 PM | Edited 3:07:06 PM] Ashema Bahumat: maybe I can get wind to boot him
[3:06:16 PM] Ashema Bahumat: dude ruins fangame projects if he's not the de-facto leaderthe sad part was that he said indie, not fangame
[3:06:36 PM] Ashema Bahumat: ruined people's lives and dreams over this shit
[3:06:49 PM] Ashema Bahumat: that's how I take it
[3:07:05 PM] Kain: man, this is way way bigger than I expected it to be
[3:07:24 PM] Kain: and the sad part
[3:07:32 PM] Kain: this is the internet
[3:08:09 PM] Kain: nobody who wasn't already involved is going to take it serious
[3:08:28 PM] Ashema Bahumat: yea
[3:09:07 PM | Edited 3:09:20 PM] Ashema Bahumat: gonna try and convince the group leader to boot him later
[3:10:06 PM] Ashema Bahumat: is it cool if I use some of the stuff here to reinforce that?
[3:10:09 PM] Ashema Bahumat: like:
[3:10:10 PM] Ashema Bahumat: well, we became a pretty close group of people
without Mew
and they're never around when the bonding is happening
maybe I can get wind to boot him
dude ruins fangame projects if he's not the de-facto leaderthe sad part was that he said indie, not fangame
ruined people's lives and dreams over this shit
that's how I take it
[3:10:28 PM] Kain: I mean, you can
[3:10:41 PM] Ashema Bahumat: hm...
[3:10:46 PM] Ashema Bahumat: maybe not.
[3:10:59 PM] Kain: would of course prefer that it's private
[3:11:15 PM] Kain: because reasons
[3:11:18 PM] Ashema Bahumat: yeah
[3:11:20 PM] Ashema Bahumat: sorry
[3:11:35 PM] Ashema Bahumat: I can do it without it
[3:11:44 PM] Kain: alright
[3:13:55 PM] Kain: best of luck
[3:14:08 PM] Ashema Bahumat: thanks
[3:14:18 PM] Ashema Bahumat: going to need it