Wicked Christians

+Chris10
In his Descent of Man, Charles Darwin tells us that savages such as he met in Tierra del Fuego spoke largely in grunts and had almost no vocabulary. Yet missionaries visited the place not long after Darwin and compiled a dictionary of their language, finding they possessed a vocabulary of over 30,000 words.
+TonySnark
Hi Chris10
Darwin wasn't a linguist then. *shrug*
+Chris10
TonySnark: What's interesting is that this was reported to Darwin.
TonySnark: He was so impressed he donated to the mission organization.
+Glitterbee
Chris10: Why do you think Christians lie about America being a Christian nation?
+TonySnark
I am unsure why that should be interesting.
+Chris10
TonySnark: So that's the mark of a good scientist - a willingness to be wrong; in fact, a desire to see one's guesses overturned.
+Glitterbee
Do you think it is because they sense their culture is obsolete in the face of modernity?
+Chris10
Glitterbee: I can't speak for other Christians but I've never said it is.
+Glitterbee
Yuval Harari in Homo Deus claims all religions are obsolete.
+TonySnark
There are two senses that could be taken.
And in one sense it certainly is a Christian nation.
+Glitterbee
He states that real change is being pushed by the techno-cultures, while religions merely respond to these changes with rehashings of old morals.
+Chris10
Three cheers for Yuval Harari ...
+TonySnark
The majority population of Christian makes this socially a Christian nation.
+Glitterbee
The American nation-state is secular with a majority Christian population.
American the nation has never been a Christian nation.
+Chris10
TonySnark: True - there are indeed Christian foundations to the nation but it is NOT a Christian nation in the sense that the government gives favors for being a Christian or imposes penalties for choosing not to be.
+Glitterbee
There are really very few Christian 'foundations' in America.
+TonySnark
Chris10: do you think I didn't know that?
+Chris10
TonySnark: I think you did ... but others here may not.
+Glitterbee
Chris10: Islamists sense their culture is losing -- so they return to orthodoxy in a last ditch attempt for relevancy.
American Christianity is going through a weaker version of the same.
+Chris10
TonySnark: Wouldn't it also be true that predominently Christian nations tend to have freedom of religion?
+Glitterbee
Christian nations do not have freedom of religion typically, no.
Secular nations with majority Christian populations often have freedom of religion.
If you want to see the nature of Christian polities, I invite you to 16 and 17th century Europe.
+TonySnark
Glitterbee: "American the nation has never been a Christian nation." depends on which meaning of the word "nation" one is refering to.
+Chris10
Glitterbee: Well - no, I agree with Nabeel Qureshi on this one; the reason many Muslims are turning to orthodoxy is because they are finally learning what Islamic "orthodoxy" is because they can read the Qur'an and Hadiths in their own language.
+Glitterbee
You will witness a world of brutality and tribalism.
+TonySnark
It can mean government, it can mean the people.
Chris10: only in the modern world.
+Glitterbee
Chris10: Islam is in crisis and many of its adherents know this -- whether the know it or not.
It is hard to continue to believe you're the 'chosen people' when your economies are inferior and your territories are occupied.
+TonySnark
Whether the what know it or not?
+Glitterbee
As a crisis cult, Islam tells diagnoses its problem by saying the followers haven't been TRUE followers of Islam.
+Chris10
TonySnark: Right - the internet has provided the means for this and Qureshi sees three alternatives.  (1) Be an unorthodox Muslim - i.e., the "moderates" ... (2) Apostacize and become something else ... (3) Become orthodox and that can lead to (so-called) "radialization."
+Glitterbee
It is a pathetic attempt to respond to change.
+Chris10
Glitterbee: Islam is in crisis because the truths about it are coming to light.
+TonySnark
Chris10: my remark about the modern world was to your point about predominatly Christian nations.
+Glitterbee
Chris10: Have you seen the documentary Hypernormalization?
+Chris10
TonySnark: Right - though that "modern" concept would be 20th century to now.
+Glitterbee
Islam doesn't know how to adapt to the change created by contemporary technology.
+Chris10
Glitterbee: Nope.
+Glitterbee
It's floundering.
Chris10: This documentary claims that the elites of the Soviet Union knew the system was broken at least 20 years before its collapse, but they did not know what to replace it with.
+Chris10
Glitterbee: I know that - more Muslims have converted to Christianity in the last 15 years than in the previous 14 centuries.
+Glitterbee
They elites then hypernormalized the pending crisis by pretending everything is fine. The non-elites subconsciously understood what the elites explicitly knew and explored it through art.
There is a claim America is in a current phase.
+TonySnark
North Korea claims to have just tested a hydrogen bomb that can be mounted on a missile. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41139445
+Glitterbee
Islam has been in such a phase for much of the second half of the 20th century and beyond.
+Chris10
TonySnark: They need to run another test... in Kim's living room.
+Glitterbee
Allowing Trump to be president during a North Korea crisis is a clear and present danger to the nation.
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+Glitterbee
The system either needs to impeach, indict, or execute Donald Trump before such a crisis.
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+TonySnark
lol
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+TonySnark
Execute?
+Glitterbee
Correct. Execute.
+TonySnark
Based on what?
+Glitterbee
It's a simple deduction from the principle of monotonicity and human value.
+Chris10
Glitterbee: This room frowns on all advocacy of killing.
Glitterbee: I suggest you quit now.
+TonySnark
Wait
+Glitterbee
Chris10: I am currently conducting political philosophy.
+TonySnark
You're Lania aren't you?
@QRT
I STRONGLY suggest you quit now.
+Glitterbee
Such political philosophy is explicitly covered by the 1st Amendment and Watts v. United States.
I can cite the relevant case law.
@QRT
This isn't America.  Stop now.
+Glitterbee
QRT: You've already shown yourself to be a false follower of Christ who does not love his brothers, nor is willing to forgive seventy times seven times.
Repent, sinner.
+TonySnark
A sitting POTUS can't be indicted.
+Glitterbee
TonySnark: That is unresolved.
+TonySnark
QRT is a bot ..
@QRT
I've shown myself to be a bot.
+TonySnark
And can be controlled by many folks.
+Glitterbee
There is a human currently typing for QRT.
That person is a false follower of Christ.
And directly violates teachings from the mouth of the Messiah.
Repent, sinner.
@QRT
If that's true, Glitterbee, then you and I have something in common.
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