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  2. Session Start: Sat Oct 17 23:24:06 2015
  3. Session Ident: #TZ-and-you
  4. 03[23:24] * Now talking in #TZ-and-you
  5. 03[23:24] * *.SwiftIRC.net sets mode: +nt
  6. 03[23:24] * [TZ]DAZ (~qwebirc@20E0D052.D21C9F0A.E94878EC.IP) has joined #TZ-and-you
  7. 01[23:24] <@WyzDM> I'm bad with names
  8. 01[23:24] <@WyzDM> but this is as good as any
  9. [23:24] <[TZ]DAZ> ..
  10. [23:24] <[TZ]DAZ> it's almost as bad as
  11. [23:24] <[TZ]DAZ> "Press G to win"
  12. [23:24] <[TZ]DAZ> wyz, is this your way of "re-joining" TZ unofficially
  13. [23:25] <[TZ]DAZ> save face
  14. [23:25] <[TZ]DAZ> don't need to apply again ;p
  15. 01[23:25] <@WyzDM> I know
  16. 01[23:26] <@WyzDM> I'ma make a thread when I finish the forums
  17. 01[23:26] <@WyzDM> and be like boom bitch
  18. [23:26] <[TZ]DAZ> can you imagine
  19. [23:26] <[TZ]DAZ> how much people would take the piss
  20. [23:26] <[TZ]DAZ> if you wrote a returning app
  21. [23:26] <[TZ]DAZ> lmao
  22. [23:26] <[TZ]DAZ> veteran's app
  23. [23:26] <[TZ]DAZ> ezpz
  24. [23:27] <[TZ]DAZ> wtf is itano doing
  25. [23:27] <[TZ]DAZ> he's not responding after this game
  26. [23:27] <[TZ]DAZ> he siad "Sure"
  27. [23:27] <[TZ]DAZ> i think
  28. 01[23:27] <@WyzDM> no worries
  29. 01[23:27] <@WyzDM> I'll wait
  30. [23:28] <[TZ]DAZ> let me talk
  31. [23:28] <[TZ]DAZ> about the lwg community
  32. [23:29] <[TZ]DAZ> there is no competitive community, anymore
  33. [23:29] <[TZ]DAZ> but it's growing again
  34. [23:29] <[TZ]DAZ> the game has been in the best state
  35. [23:29] <[TZ]DAZ> since i first touched it months ago
  36. [23:29] <[TZ]DAZ> i might have to actually practice kappa
  37. 01[23:30] <@WyzDM> lol
  38. [23:30] <[TZ]DAZ> i'm kind of serious
  39. 01[23:30] <@WyzDM> well that's great
  40. [23:30] <[TZ]DAZ> lwg is similar in gameplay
  41. [23:30] <[TZ]DAZ> to that stream i showed you
  42. [23:31] <[TZ]DAZ> just an easier version for obvious reasons
  43. 01[23:32] <@WyzDM> Right
  44. [23:32] <[TZ]DAZ> wtf is itano doing
  45. 01[23:32] <@WyzDM> why ask me lol
  46. [23:32] <[TZ]DAZ> ItanoCircus: Trying to get into swift
  47. 03[23:33] * ItanoCircus (~qwebirc@Swift-77103279.panda-world.ne.jp) has joined #TZ-and-you
  48. [23:33] <ItanoCircus> Hello and I apologize for the delay. Some other serious things were going on.
  49. [23:33] <ItanoCircus> DAZ PM'd me. What's up?
  50. [23:33] <[TZ]DAZ> well
  51. 01[23:33] <@WyzDM> Hi Itano
  52. [23:33] <[TZ]DAZ> lol
  53. [23:33] <[TZ]DAZ> i'll let wyz do the smooth talk
  54. 01[23:34] <@WyzDM> Well it's just talk
  55. 01[23:34] <@WyzDM> But I do have an offer
  56. 01[23:34] <@WyzDM> I understand DAZ has brought you here to get on board with us at TZ
  57. 01[23:34] <@WyzDM> and play some Stick Empires in our clan
  58. 01[23:34] <@WyzDM> but we've recently been going over different veiws on the direction for our site
  59. 01[23:34] <@WyzDM> and our team
  60. [23:35] <ItanoCircus> Okay. What's on your mind?
  61. 01[23:35] <@WyzDM> and for the best, we're going to drop it as a clan, but go rebuild like an establishment
  62. 01[23:35] <@WyzDM> In essence, think mini esports
  63. 01[23:35] <@WyzDM> The current active members of TZ are already some of the highest ranked players
  64. 01[23:35] <@WyzDM> and we could re-sign them on as sponsored players
  65. 01[23:35] <@WyzDM> But in the spirit of growth
  66. 01[23:35] <@WyzDM> we're also looking to add something else
  67. 01[23:36] <@WyzDM> and we believe LWG is exactly what we want
  68. [23:36] <ItanoCircus> And this is where LittleWarGame comes in.
  69. 01[23:36] <@WyzDM> Yes
  70. [23:36] <ItanoCircus> Because LWG is a game that the active playerbase hasn't been a part of,
  71. [23:36] <ItanoCircus> therefore there's no guarantee that the best of Stick Empires will excel there,
  72. [23:36] <ItanoCircus> and that creates more intermingling between the websites and begins team organizations.
  73. [23:36] <[TZ]DAZ> It's simple; in the past, we thrived on clan preps, clan events, clan wars. We were active and actively growing. But now with a change in the atmosphere and light of the game, we can't merely subsist. This is why we're doing this
  74. [23:37] <[TZ]DAZ> And my connection to you, has led to this
  75. 01[23:37] <@WyzDM> DAZ has told me you have a lot of passion towards LWG, and while I have not played it myself
  76. 01[23:37] <@WyzDM> DAZ talks very high of it
  77. 01[23:37] <@WyzDM> and of you
  78. [23:37] <ItanoCircus> Thanks DAZ ;)
  79. 01[23:37] <@WyzDM> I believe you two are considered to be of the top players at this moment?
  80. [23:37] <[TZ]DAZ> well
  81. [23:37] <[TZ]DAZ> relatively speaking
  82. [23:37] <ItanoCircus> That's actually what makes this offer more interesting.
  83. [23:37] <[TZ]DAZ> we're high up there
  84. [23:38] <ItanoCircus> The power level looks as follows:
  85. [23:38] <[TZ]DAZ> but that's more becuase the competitive community is a farce
  86. [23:38] <ItanoCircus> BEST - YummyBlaBla / Aicy
  87. [23:38] <[TZ]DAZ> ^^yummy and aicy are a bit toxic
  88. [23:38] <ItanoCircus> One step Below - xccam, Echonance, DAZ, FullCollapse
  89. [23:38] <ItanoCircus> One Step Below - Me and similarly skilled player
  90. [23:38] <ItanoCircus> BOTTOMS OUT, REMAINDER DON'T PARTICIPATE HEAVILY IN COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT..
  91. [23:38] <[TZ]DAZ> Itano reminds me of rain
  92. 01[23:38] <@WyzDM> That's still only a few players between you and the best
  93. 01[23:38] <@WyzDM> Your'e at the peak
  94. [23:38] <[TZ]DAZ> @Wyz
  95. [23:38] <[TZ]DAZ> do you remember
  96. 01[23:38] <@WyzDM> and that's all I want to know
  97. [23:39] <[TZ]DAZ> a year ago
  98. [23:39] <[TZ]DAZ> "The Big Four"
  99. [23:39] <[TZ]DAZ> and top 10?
  100. 01[23:39] <@WyzDM> Yes
  101. [23:39] <[TZ]DAZ> I couldn't touch you guys
  102. [23:39] <[TZ]DAZ> I had 1-2 records at best, vs chaos
  103. [23:39] <[TZ]DAZ> the tier difference
  104. [23:39] <[TZ]DAZ> is probably larger
  105. [23:39] <[TZ]DAZ> than that
  106. [23:39] <[TZ]DAZ> aicy's the GM you saw stream
  107. [23:39] <ItanoCircus> Tier difference is as follows:
  108. [23:39] <ItanoCircus> Aicy + Yummy
  109. [23:39] <ItanoCircus> <nobody qualifies>
  110. [23:39] <ItanoCircus> <nobody qualifies>
  111. [23:39] <ItanoCircus> xccam, FullCollapse, SlammerIV, veni, DragonArcherZ
  112. [23:39] <ItanoCircus> <nobody qualifies>
  113. [23:40] <[TZ]DAZ> i think you overrate me
  114. [23:40] <[TZ]DAZ> tbh lol
  115. [23:40] <ItanoCircus> Me, remainder of competitive players
  116. [23:40] <ItanoCircus> <nobody qualifies x10>
  117. 01[23:40] <@WyzDM> It doesn't matter
  118. [23:40] <ItanoCircus> Bottom of the ladder.
  119. 01[23:40] <@WyzDM> You two are skilled
  120. 01[23:40] <@WyzDM> but also connected with the community
  121. 01[23:40] <@WyzDM> This is very important
  122. [23:40] <[TZ]DAZ> in a way
  123. [23:40] <[TZ]DAZ> Itano and I's relationship has already intertwined SE and LWG a little
  124. [23:40] <[TZ]DAZ> it isn't a stretch for this initiative to go through
  125. [23:40] <ItanoCircus> C'mon DAZ, what's more important is our community connection than our playing capabilities.
  126. 01[23:40] <@WyzDM> THis is true
  127. [23:41] <ItanoCircus> THe fact that we can name highly skilled players speaks to where our relative level and game knowledge is.
  128. 01[23:41] <@WyzDM> your paly power is great
  129. 01[23:41] <@WyzDM> but you both are involved
  130. 01[23:41] <@WyzDM> and that's what I wanted in the first place
  131. [23:41] <[TZ]DAZ> should we sponsor any other potential players?
  132. 01[23:41] <@WyzDM> Itano, I hear you have a lot of passion for the community of this game
  133. 01[23:41] <@WyzDM> That's not on the table as of this time
  134. [23:41] <ItanoCircus> So, let's back up a bit.
  135. [23:41] <[TZ]DAZ> mmk
  136. [23:41] <ItanoCircus> You said the atmosphere for SE wasn't working.
  137. [23:42] <[TZ]DAZ> no, it's merely changed
  138. 01[23:42] <@WyzDM> The idea of clan wars. That atmosphere is dead
  139. [23:42] <ItanoCircus> I'm going to assume that's because either the playerbase isn't growing, or Team Zenith currently dominates the top of the rankings / tournaments and you're finding it hard to get yet more involvement from people in the community
  140. [23:42] <[TZ]DAZ> in the past, strategies were often concealed, clans were competitive
  141. [23:42] <[TZ]DAZ> hell, it was so far there were spies
  142. [23:42] <[TZ]DAZ> *cough* maxchiang *cough*
  143. [23:42] <ItanoCircus> and that the effort is better expended in expanding than in going from 60% to 62% of interested players?
  144. [23:43] <[TZ]DAZ> people aren't taking the initiative to revel in the excitement of clan wars
  145. [23:43] <ItanoCircus> Which leads to one-team victories, further pushing down efforts to expand clans given that the skilled players are already signed on.
  146. 01[23:43] <@WyzDM> This is a change to help us grow the community and competetive support to Stick EMpires
  147. [23:43] <[TZ]DAZ> one of my most memorable moments was a close clan war where we won 5-4, and I took a deciding set 2-1 from being 0-1 down
  148. [23:43] <[TZ]DAZ> but even the every-week preps were exciting
  149. [23:44] <[TZ]DAZ> nowadays, it's not the same environemtn or atmosphere
  150. 01[23:44] <@WyzDM> but also grow and adopt more games and give more support
  151. [23:44] <[TZ]DAZ> We have the funding, the resources, the people
  152. [23:44] <[TZ]DAZ> We have a recognisable name
  153. 01[23:44] <@WyzDM> DAZ you're running down a bunny rabit
  154. [23:44] <[TZ]DAZ> ZENITH resonates within Stick Empires
  155. 01[23:44] <@WyzDM> rabit hole
  156. [23:45] <ItanoCircus> Ah, okay.
  157. 01[23:45] <@WyzDM> Itano what I'm trying to say is we're working to grow the community differently
  158. 01[23:45] <@WyzDM> before, we were exclusive
  159. [23:45] <ItanoCircus> So my question then is this:
  160. 01[23:45] <@WyzDM> because many other groups were
  161. [23:45] <ItanoCircus> Are we creating teams that stretch between the games?
  162. 01[23:45] <@WyzDM> Not necessarily
  163. 01[23:45] <@WyzDM> SE and LWG would be different factions
  164. [23:45] <ItanoCircus> And what incentives are we providing for people to participate in THESE team leagues that is different from what was being done in Stick Empires?
  165. 01[23:46] <@WyzDM> I like this
  166. 01[23:46] <@WyzDM> Well itano that's more of what I wanted to talk about
  167. [23:46] <ItanoCircus> I mean, if I open up the mini eSports team "3-MIC", I'd have a SE and a LWG squad.
  168. 01[23:46] <@WyzDM> I want to help you grow LWG because that's also helpful to the growth of Team Zenith
  169. 01[23:46] <@WyzDM> as a whole community
  170. 01[23:47] <@WyzDM> so yes, we'd have a faction for each game
  171. 01[23:47] <@WyzDM> I have some interest in playing LWG, but I may not also pursue going for the competetive level
  172. 01[23:47] <@WyzDM> You and DAZ have that as well
  173. [23:47] <ItanoCircus> .
  174. [23:47] <ItanoCircus> .
  175. [23:47] <ItanoCircus> .
  176. [23:47] <[TZ]DAZ> When Wyz says that, he only plays to be the best
  177. [23:47] <[TZ]DAZ> ;)
  178. [23:47] <ItanoCircus> Just providing space.
  179. 01[23:47] <@WyzDM> Not a problem
  180. [23:47] <ItanoCircus> So, let's talk business. You're saying that Team Zenith is dissolved, correct?
  181. [23:48] <[TZ]DAZ> think
  182. [23:48] <[TZ]DAZ> teamliquid
  183. [23:48] <ItanoCircus> How are we going to prevent all of the old TZ people from getting into the same clan?
  184. [23:48] <[TZ]DAZ> we're focusing on flourishing a community
  185. [23:48] <ItanoCircus> And how are we going to prevent all the top LWG players from making a clan of the same talents?
  186. 01[23:48] <@WyzDM> The incentive is mroe simple than you think
  187. 01[23:48] <@WyzDM> we right now have a lot of content devlopers in SE
  188. [23:48] <ItanoCircus> Yes, but flourishing with an emphasis on competition.
  189. 01[23:48] <@WyzDM> and many of them are within Team Zenith
  190. [23:48] <ItanoCircus> Which I'm all for, but we have to solve the problem of one-team domination.
  191. 01[23:48] <@WyzDM> for ocmpetetition wise
  192. 01[23:49] <@WyzDM> um
  193. 01[23:49] <@WyzDM> a one team domination you mean from someone else?
  194. 01[23:50] <@WyzDM> Forgive me if I'm slow to follow, I've been awake for longer than I should
  195. 01[23:51] <@WyzDM> I also imagine DAZ is trying to personally explain to you things privately, which is fine
  196. [23:51] <ItanoCircus> I understand.
  197. [23:51] <ItanoCircus> So, as a thought experiment, let's say Team Zenith disbands today.
  198. 01[23:51] <@WyzDM> Okay
  199. [23:51] <[TZ]DAZ> explain privately will probably end up in lwg tonight
  200. [23:51] <[TZ]DAZ> when we discuss it further haha
  201. [23:51] <ItanoCircus> You already have an "in" with Team Zenith.
  202. 01[23:51] <@WyzDM> Well yes,I am its founder
  203. [23:51] <ItanoCircus> What stops you from creating a clan that has all the old Team Zenith players?
  204. [23:51] <[TZ]DAZ> i'm confused
  205. [23:52] <[TZ]DAZ> i'm not quite grasping what you're trying to say
  206. 01[23:52] <@WyzDM> You mean, sponsoring the old players?
  207. [23:52] <ItanoCircus> Alright, let's back up.
  208. [23:52] <ItanoCircus> .
  209. [23:52] <ItanoCircus> .
  210. 01[23:52] <@WyzDM> I thought I was the only one confused
  211. 01[23:52] <@WyzDM> lol
  212. [23:52] <ItanoCircus> The goal is to increase Stick Empires and LWG player numbers. Help both communities grow.
  213. [23:52] <ItanoCircus> How do we plan on doing that?
  214. 01[23:53] <@WyzDM> Good question
  215. 01[23:53] <@WyzDM> first thing we've already discussed is best
  216. [23:53] <ItanoCircus> Now, here's my point.
  217. 01[23:53] <@WyzDM> is coming with a site rejuvination.
  218. 01[23:54] <@WyzDM> We want to reformat the website
  219. [23:54] <ItanoCircus> Creating clans for clan wars or focusing on competitions ONLY works as long as there isn't one clan that dominates by taking up all the good players.
  220. 01[23:54] <@WyzDM> I see
  221. [23:54] <ItanoCircus> So the focus would likely be more individual.
  222. [23:54] <[TZ]DAZ> SE is focused like that atmn
  223. [23:55] <[TZ]DAZ> We have a lot of tournaments going on atm
  224. 01[23:55] <@WyzDM> There are a few clans out there with some players
  225. 01[23:55] <@WyzDM> we are certainly dominating though
  226. 01[23:55] <@WyzDM> It's still working because we're holding many events
  227. 01[23:55] <@WyzDM> and now we're trying to open out website to help new comers
  228. 01[23:55] <@WyzDM> and old players discuss topics in all areas of the game
  229. [23:56] <ItanoCircus> It seems like the first step,
  230. 01[23:56] <@WyzDM> I can't speak for how LWG could work with something like this, but I would think at first, you two could provide a lot of service with our website as a tool.
  231. [23:56] <ItanoCircus> before we talk about ambitious things like team leagues and running a mini eSports (yes, despite the money SE and I could provide)
  232. 01[23:57] <@WyzDM> Mhm
  233. [23:57] <ItanoCircus> Would be attention.
  234. 01[23:57] <@WyzDM> You mean, how to grab the attention of the masses?
  235. [23:57] <ItanoCircus> Cross-contamination. Get people from one interested in the other on a fundamental level
  236. 01[23:58] <@WyzDM> ah
  237. [23:58] <ItanoCircus> Something like combining websites, similar to what TL does.
  238. [23:58] <ItanoCircus> They own a team, sure, but more than that they're a community hub.
  239. 01[23:58] <@WyzDM> That's our goal is to be a hub
  240. [23:58] <[TZ]DAZ> ^^
  241. [23:58] <ItanoCircus> Once people are interested and know about the game, THEN we can attempt Team Leagues.
  242. 01[23:58] <@WyzDM> ... I agree with this
  243. [23:58] <[TZ]DAZ> teamleagues was never our priority
  244. [23:58] <ItanoCircus> As for team leagues, if we want them, we could do something like limit roster sizes to five.
  245. 01[23:58] <@WyzDM> I wasn't going to sign on any players
  246. 01[23:59] <@WyzDM> until our hub was built
  247. [23:59] <[TZ]DAZ> but we want to sponsor players who are here to organise and provide that content, to help us grow
  248. [23:59] <ItanoCircus> That will guarantee that not EVERY amazing or even good player from old TZ or the best of LWG is on the same team.
  249. 01[23:59] <@WyzDM> especially for lwg, I wouldn't know who to sign
  250. [23:59] <[TZ]DAZ> don't worry about that wyz
  251. 01[23:59] <@WyzDM> I don't
  252. [23:59] <[TZ]DAZ> itano and I can cover that end'
  253. 01[23:59] <@WyzDM> exactly why I wanted you bot here
  254. 01[23:59] <@WyzDM> So tell me now Itano
  255. 01[23:59] <@WyzDM> You believe we can do this?
  256. 01[23:59] <@WyzDM> and would you like to help?
  257. Session Time: Sun Oct 18 00:00:00 2015
  258. [00:00] <ItanoCircus> Can we? Absolutely.
  259. [00:00] <ItanoCircus> Should we? Absolutely.
  260. 01[00:00] <@WyzDM> DAZ, show the document
  261. [00:00] <ItanoCircus> Tell you what... promise me that jbs (the developer for LWG), DAZ, and myself will be moderators for the new combined website.
  262. [00:00] <ItanoCircus> I'll talk to jbs about getting him to move his forums over onto the combined website INSTEAD of the current forum.
  263. 01[00:01] <@WyzDM> The current forum is not working as strong?
  264. [00:01] <[TZ]DAZ> jbs?
  265. [00:01] <ItanoCircus> jbs - developer of the game
  266. [00:01] <[TZ]DAZ> could be the same reasoning for
  267. [00:01] <[TZ]DAZ> CJ
  268. [00:01] <[TZ]DAZ> hmm
  269. [00:01] <[TZ]DAZ> also itnao, dw about me
  270. [00:01] <ItanoCircus> He should have the freedom to post and adapt LWG-specific information on the combined website.
  271. [00:01] <[TZ]DAZ> i'm already TZ
  272. [00:01] <[TZ]DAZ> we're just bringing you in ;)
  273. 01[00:02] <@WyzDM> Hmm
  274. [00:02] <ItanoCircus> And the problem with the current LWG forum is that, while good for its own purpose,
  275. [00:02] <[TZ]DAZ> Itano
  276. [00:02] <[TZ]DAZ> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GQWHElNOftrIDkaUTp3x3xvhjexpWMwv2TfbfrrDMRw/edit?usp=drive_web
  277. [00:02] <ItanoCircus> if we're truly serious about combining the two communities, having them go to the same place and interact with each other in the same area is instrumental to that.
  278. 01[00:02] <@WyzDM> ...Okay
  279. 01[00:02] <@WyzDM> You think jbs is okay with something like this? I mean, he'd want to get involved?
  280. [00:03] <ItanoCircus> He'll want to expand the game, but will need convincing as to merging his forum with yours.
  281. [00:03] <ItanoCircus> I think from a logistical standpoint he SHOULD do it considering the quality comparisons.
  282. [00:04] <ItanoCircus> I need access to the drive to open it.
  283. 01[00:04] <@WyzDM> If you believe he's worth bring aboard and can help you with merging the communities
  284. 01[00:04] <@WyzDM> Than I am for it.
  285. [00:04] <[TZ]DAZ> oh
  286. [00:04] <[TZ]DAZ> itano
  287. [00:04] <[TZ]DAZ> wassa email
  288. 01[00:05] <@WyzDM> My concern however
  289. 01[00:05] <@WyzDM> is jbs may have more interest in his own work
  290. 01[00:05] <@WyzDM> which, while great in its own right
  291. 01[00:05] <@WyzDM> may not coincide with our vision
  292. [00:06] <ItanoCircus> What is the endpoint of this vision that you think would collide with what jbs wants?
  293. [00:06] <[TZ]DAZ> We don't feel dev intervention is necessary in terms of the running of the website
  294. [00:06] <ItanoCircus> Whether or not we group together on a forum shouldn't have any impact on keeping LWG separate as a game from Stick Empires.
  295. 01[00:06] <@WyzDM> But remember, our vision is to provide a hub, but promote competeive play.
  296. [00:06] <[TZ]DAZ> Can you implore to us why a developer figure requires decision making and moderating running power for Zenith?
  297. [00:06] <ItanoCircus> Again, look at TeamLiquid.net. They have StarCraft, Hearthstone, League of Legends, and CS:GO teams and sport information for all of those and provide coverage as well.
  298. [00:07] <[TZ]DAZ> yes itano
  299. [00:07] <[TZ]DAZ> and look at blizzard
  300. [00:07] <[TZ]DAZ> blizzard STAY seperate
  301. [00:07] <[TZ]DAZ> their posts are highlighted
  302. [00:07] <ItanoCircus> That provided coverage does not somehow make CS:GO less owned by Valve, or SC2 less owned by Blizzard.
  303. [00:07] <[TZ]DAZ> they interact
  304. [00:07] <[TZ]DAZ> but they do not have controlling interest over the management of the team
  305. 01[00:07] <@WyzDM> ^
  306. 01[00:07] <@WyzDM> This is my point. We eventually want team members
  307. 01[00:07] <@WyzDM> sponsorships
  308. [00:08] <ItanoCircus> Ah, I would just imagine he would want the ability to post on the forums with elevated consideration (sticky, etc), not act as a moderator.
  309. [00:08] <ItanoCircus> That way it doesn't get buried.
  310. [00:08] <[TZ]DAZ> ah
  311. 01[00:08] <@WyzDM> Well I can't argue with that
  312. [00:08] <[TZ]DAZ> i agree
  313. [00:08] <[TZ]DAZ> we'll manually submanage all that of course
  314. [00:09] <ItanoCircus> I can not see jbs, being the person he is, interfering with sponsorships for team members.
  315. 01[00:09] <@WyzDM> Well I'm okay with him making an account and granted forum mod powers
  316. [00:09] <ItanoCircus> Given that the teams would be owned by other people (not jbs)
  317. 01[00:09] <@WyzDM> but I can't allow him into the administration
  318. [00:10] <[TZ]DAZ> ^^
  319. 01[00:10] <@WyzDM> Is that reasonable?
  320. [00:10] <[TZ]DAZ> we'll be handpicking everyone who we want to be part of the team
  321. [00:10] <[TZ]DAZ> we want to ensure the quality of a growing, inspiring community hub is not compromised by rash decisions or ulterior motives
  322. [00:10] <ItanoCircus> Now, if the GAME is getting sponsored then it's perfectly reasonable for jbs to want to be able to talk out the details of sponsorship to HIS GAME... but that wouldn't impact the combination of the two interests, nor should it be allowed to do so.
  323. [00:11] <ItanoCircus> And that again is very reasonable.
  324. [00:11] <ItanoCircus> I did not realize that you have the moderator powers split between forum moderator and overall administration... on our forums it's simply "admin", with all powers ascribed to that role.
  325. [00:11] <ItanoCircus> So I understand and believe that would be acceptable ^^
  326. 01[00:11] <@WyzDM> Explain more why he'd want to talk over sponsorship details. It would only be btween us and the players.
  327. 01[00:12] <@WyzDM> But yes, forum mod, not overal administration, as you put
  328. [00:12] <ItanoCircus> He hasn't brought this up because this topic has not come up before.
  329. [00:12] <ItanoCircus> However.
  330. [00:12] <[TZ]DAZ> @Itano I believe in due part that that is because of the organisation of your forums. Being a forum mod is essentially administration
  331. [00:12] <ItanoCircus> If I, ItanoCircus, owned a team of players I called "3-MIC"
  332. [00:12] <ItanoCircus> And somebody wanted to sponsor 3-MIC, jbs would have no say in that.
  333. [00:13] <[TZ]DAZ> But for this new initiative, when we're cross-organising everything and looking to provide out quality content as well as a hub for such, administration takes on the role of overall management and is thus much more impactful
  334. [00:13] <ItanoCircus> NOW, if somebody wanted to sponsor LittleWarGame as a whole, jbs (as the developer of the game) would have an interest in that SEPARATE of any team-related sponsorships.
  335. [00:13] <ItanoCircus> And I think he would be right to have that.
  336. [00:13] <ItanoCircus> And yeah, giving jbs "forum moderator" would be better than "administration" in that case.
  337. 01[00:15] <@WyzDM> Someone spondering the game as a whole is beyond what we're set out to do
  338. 01[00:15] <@WyzDM> if it happens, it's between jbs and said sponsor
  339. 01[00:15] <@WyzDM> Unless I am missing something
  340. 01[00:15] <@WyzDM> that won't directly affect us
  341. [00:16] <[TZ]DAZ> Still
  342. [00:16] <[TZ]DAZ> Welcome aboard a very select Zenith team, Itano.
  343. [00:16] <ItanoCircus> Thanks DAZ, Thanks WyzDM.
  344. [00:17] <ItanoCircus> I'll talk to jbs and introduce it to him.
  345. [00:17] <ItanoCircus> I'm looking forward to working with both of you, and I hope this is the start of a great new beginning.
  346. [00:17] <[TZ]DAZ> the word choices tbh
  347. 01[00:17] <@WyzDM> You gave Cirucs the document right DAZ?
  348. [00:17] <[TZ]DAZ> this isn't a casual inter-game discussion
  349. [00:18] <[TZ]DAZ> yes wyz
  350. [00:18] <[TZ]DAZ> i linked it above
  351. [00:18] <[TZ]DAZ> oh wait
  352. [00:18] <[TZ]DAZ> i asked for his email
  353. [00:18] <[TZ]DAZ> got something i can allow permission to
  354. [00:18] <[TZ]DAZ> itano?
  355. [00:19] <ItanoCircus> Yeah
  356. [00:19] <ItanoCircus> Let me change my email, one second.
  357. [00:19] <[TZ]DAZ> kk
  358. [00:19] <ItanoCircus> LittleWarGameRTS@gmail.com
  359. [00:19] <[TZ]DAZ> ha
  360. [00:20] <[TZ]DAZ> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GQWHElNOftrIDkaUTp3x3xvhjexpWMwv2TfbfrrDMRw/edit
  361. [00:20] <[TZ]DAZ> alright
  362. [00:20] <[TZ]DAZ> itano
  363. [00:20] <[TZ]DAZ> you should have access now
  364. 01[00:23] <@WyzDM> No
  365. 01[00:23] <@WyzDM> wrong irc
  366. 01[00:23] <@WyzDM> oops
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