[12:43] <DotD> hey SpecOps
[12:43] <SpecOps> hey
[12:43] <DotD> got a second for me?
[12:43] <SpecOps> sure
[12:43] <DotD> i think dimmea already told you about the problem with RB
[12:44] <SpecOps> yeah
[12:44] <SpecOps> let me tell you my perspective on it
[12:44] <SpecOps> before you start
[12:44] <SpecOps> I gave him an extra two days
[12:44] <SpecOps> till next sunday
[12:44] <SpecOps> that's about 230 something hours
[12:44] <DotD> that wont help
[12:44] <SpecOps> to find a 2 hour window
[12:45] <DotD> its very nice that you give us two extra days
[12:45] <DotD> but it doesnt help at all
[12:45] <SpecOps> well what would help
[12:46] <DotD> playing today at the time we scheduled
[12:46] <SpecOps> and if they can't
[12:46] <SpecOps> what would you like to be done
[12:46] <DotD> thats my question
[12:46] <SpecOps> well let's think for a second
[12:46] <SpecOps> now put yourself in our position
[12:46] <SpecOps> for a moment
[12:47] <DotD> k
[12:47] <SpecOps> seeing how you have interest in being an admin
[12:47] <SpecOps> this is a community
[12:47] <SpecOps> this is slowing disappearing
[12:47] <SpecOps> and the remaining members
[12:47] <SpecOps> are becoming more and more difficult by the day
[12:47] <SpecOps> and if we start kicking people out of the playoffs
[12:47] <SpecOps> picture the backlash
[12:47] <SpecOps> on either side
[12:48] <SpecOps> now that's just a small sample
[12:48] <SpecOps> of the problems
[12:48] <SpecOps> that this situation has
[12:48] <SpecOps> and we are currently dealing with the exact same thing
[12:48] <SpecOps> with another clan
[12:48] <SpecOps> and we have logs
[12:48] <SpecOps> of last season
[12:48] <SpecOps> from arrow
[12:48] <SpecOps> and prkl
[12:48] <SpecOps> with the same type of problems
[12:49] <SpecOps> setting up a 2 hour window in over 200 hours to choose from
[12:49] <SpecOps> and that's not even with an ic match
[12:49] <SpecOps> just two european clans
[12:49] <SpecOps> at the same times
[12:49] <SpecOps> like arrow and prkl
[12:49] <SpecOps> or arrow and rb
[12:49] <SpecOps> when just about every other clan
[12:49] <SpecOps> every season
[12:49] <SpecOps> makes it happen
[12:49] <SpecOps> so we have to ask ourselves
[12:50] <SpecOps> is some of this people thinking about the other clans problems
[12:50] <SpecOps> and making sacrifices
[12:50] <SpecOps> and trying their best to make something happen
[12:50] <SpecOps> we try to see the common denominator
[12:50] <SpecOps> and no offense
[12:50] <SpecOps> but right now
[12:50] <SpecOps> that is arrow
[12:50] <SpecOps> now not saying the problems you are dealing with are your fault
[12:50] <SpecOps> or not real
[12:51] <SpecOps> or not rb's fault
[12:51] <SpecOps> just explaining my perspective
[12:51] <DotD> i perfectly understand you and i dont take this as an offense
[12:51] <DotD> but we scheduled a time
[12:52] <SpecOps> yes
[12:52] <DotD> both clans agreed on and now they cant play
[12:52] <DotD> if we schedule the match on another day/time
[12:52] <SpecOps> I'll try and talk with them and see their reasons
[12:52] <DotD> we cant play with our best players
[12:52] <SpecOps> which are?
[12:52] <SpecOps> dimmea, pudii, vodka?
[12:52] <DotD> pudii, dimmea, vodka
[12:52] <DotD> yep
[12:53] <DotD> and its not fair to schedule a time, then decide on another day
[12:53] <DotD> making us play with worse lineups
[12:53] <SpecOps> well there are extenuating circumstances sometimes
[12:53] <SpecOps> that's why we give you so much time
[12:53] <SpecOps> in case something comes up
[12:53] <SpecOps> and you need to pick a new time
[12:53] <SpecOps> shit happens
[12:53] <SpecOps> and I will try and figure out what they are claiming happened
[12:54] <SpecOps> but what are dimmea, pudii and vodka doing during the next 230 hours
[12:54] <SpecOps> that they can't play
[12:54] <SpecOps> at any point
[12:54] <SpecOps> at all
[12:54] <DotD> well
[12:54] <DotD> pudii is on vacation the whole time
[12:55] <DotD> and dimmea has to work
[12:55] <DotD> (late shift)
[12:55] <DotD> dunno about vodka though
[12:55] <DotD> in this case
[12:55] <DotD> extra time doesnt help
[12:56] <DotD> and i dont agree that we should suffer because problems occured on their side
[12:56] <DotD> it would be a huge disadvantage for us
[12:56] <SpecOps> well maybe not
[12:56] <SpecOps> but picture yourself being an admin
[12:56] <SpecOps> and this was another clan
[12:56] <SpecOps> what would you do right now
[12:57] <DotD> well, if they cant decide on another time/day, the clan that cant play during the scheduled time is kicked out. clan a must not suffer because clan b screws up
[12:58] <SpecOps> okay but you realize there is no real precedent for something like that
[12:58] <SpecOps> at least no recent example
[12:59] <SpecOps> and just so you know
[12:59] <SpecOps> that may sound logical
[12:59] <SpecOps> but think of it this way
[12:59] <SpecOps> hypothetical
[12:59] <SpecOps> situation
[12:59] <SpecOps> clan a and clan b set up a time during a 2 week span
[12:59] <SpecOps> they set it up on the first day
[13:00] <SpecOps> with 2 weeks remaining after that
[13:00] <SpecOps> clan a shows up
[13:00] <SpecOps> but clan b has something they can't control happen
[13:00] <SpecOps> and can't show up
[13:00] <SpecOps> now
[13:00] <SpecOps> without anyway for the admins to prove otherwise
[13:00] <SpecOps> clan a claims that they have no possible time to play
[13:00] <SpecOps> at all
[13:00] <SpecOps> and by definition
[13:00] <SpecOps> wins the match
[13:01] <SpecOps> every time
[13:01] <SpecOps> see how that might leave room to be abused?
[13:01] <SpecOps> because for all we know
[13:02] <SpecOps> you guys are doing exactly that
[13:02] <SpecOps> see how we can't tell
[13:02] <SpecOps> and it's quite a coincidenc
[13:02] <SpecOps> that during your 2 week deadline
[13:02] <SpecOps> just like last season
[13:02] <SpecOps> one of your top players
[13:02] <SpecOps> has a vacation planned
[13:02] <SpecOps> now maybe it really is just an honest mistake and coincidence
[13:03] <SpecOps> but put yourself in our shoes
[13:03] <SpecOps> how do you know
[13:03] <SpecOps> and no matter what decision you make
[13:03] <SpecOps> it can be interpreted as wrong
[13:03] <SpecOps> not so easy is it
[13:03] <DotD> na its not easy
[13:04] <DotD> but first, we didnt schedule the match 2 weeks ago, at least not as far as i know
[13:04] <DotD> and its not like were scared
[13:04] <DotD> we are willing to play
[13:04] <SpecOps> yeah that was just a hypothetical
[13:04] <DotD> ye i know
[13:04] <SpecOps> but you still have a lot of time
[13:04] <SpecOps> to figure something out
[13:04] <SpecOps> like when is pudii leaving on his vacation
[13:05] <SpecOps> and where is he going
[13:05] <SpecOps> and when is he returning
[13:05] <SpecOps> brb sex
[13:05] <SpecOps> sec lol
[13:05] <DotD> hf
[13:05] <DotD> :D
[13:05] <SpecOps> heh
[13:07] <SpecOps> okay
[13:07] <SpecOps> so any idea on any of those questions?
[13:07] <DotD> wait
[13:07] <SpecOps> k
[13:07] <DotD> im currently talking to my mates
[13:08] <DotD> looks like theres no day where all of us are able to play
[13:09] <DotD> thats why dimmea tried to schedule the match for today
[13:11] <DotD> and you admins may not trust us
[13:11] <DotD> but if you make decisions based on prev. seasons
[13:12] <DotD> fost would be perm. banned from sctfl :Q
[13:13] <SpecOps> lol
[13:13] <SpecOps> well lets jsut take it slow
[13:13] <DotD> :D
[13:13] <SpecOps> and try and focus on those questions
[13:13] <DotD> pudii visits his grandparents
[13:13] <DotD> until sunday
[13:13] <DotD> he could play on sunday, but vodka cant
[13:14] <SpecOps> when does he leave?
[13:14] <DotD> they havent decided yet
[13:14] <DotD> maybe tonight
[13:14] <SpecOps> okay and is everyone back on monday?
[13:14] <DotD> after the birthdayparty he visits
[13:14] <DotD> which monday?
[13:14] <SpecOps> the monday after next
[13:15] <SpecOps> one week from this coming monday
[13:15] <DotD> i ask, sec
[13:15] <SpecOps> the 28th
[13:17] <DotD> dimmea has to attend some strange project group in the evening, he could play until 13.00, but noone else could :Q he told me that they talked for 4 hours to decide on a day were all of them could play
[13:17] <DotD> honestly
[13:17] <SpecOps> so monday is no good either?
[13:17] <DotD> i wouldnt believe that shit either, if i were an admin :Q
[13:18] <DotD> yep, monday is no good
[13:18] <SpecOps> tuesday?
[13:18] <SpecOps> lol
[13:18] <DotD> wait :D
[13:19] <DotD> pudii cant paly
[13:19] <DotD> play
[13:19] <SpecOps> why?
[13:19] <DotD> hes at his grandparents' again
[13:20] <DotD> he just returns for sunday
[13:20] <SpecOps> and when does he come back again?
[13:20] <SpecOps> gone all next week, comes back on sunday and then leaves until?
[13:22] <DotD> untill the next upcoming weekend. he isnt sure what day he returns exactly
[13:22] <DotD> but then may occur the problem youve already stated
[13:22] <DotD> that something may come up
[13:22] <DotD> noone could control
[13:22] <DotD> and we slow down the whole tournament
[13:22] <SpecOps> and you realize
[13:22] <SpecOps> that that next upcoming weekend
[13:23] <SpecOps> is one day before
[13:23] <SpecOps> the following deadline
[13:23] <SpecOps> for round 2
[13:23] <DotD> yep
[13:23] <SpecOps> uh at this point
[13:23] <SpecOps> I'm just gonna give you guys some more time this week to try and make something happen
[13:24] <SpecOps> and hope you guys figure something out
[13:24] <SpecOps> and one of you makes a sacrifice
[13:24] <SpecOps> for the good of the league
[13:24] <SpecOps> and then I will decide
[13:24] <SpecOps> I'll try and talk with rb right now
[13:24] <SpecOps> and see what their side of this is
[13:24] <DotD> okay, thank you
[13:24] <SpecOps> but you aren't exactly leaving them very many options
[13:24] <SpecOps> good lucjk
[13:26] <DotD> ps: if you want the logs that show RB agreeing on playing today, feel free to contact dimmea or me
[13:26] <SpecOps> okay