LordGloom violates core reason to protect Donald Trump

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4:04:36 PM+SimpleJakDonald Trump is an anti-christ figure.
4:04:58 PM+SimpleJakHe is an example of what Jesus said would happen: Many Christians would not recognize Jesus or follow him when he returns.
4:05:50 PM+SimpleJakHe is useful for helping us to identify those Christians who do not love Christ.
4:11:28 PM+muddypawsEvery President and Pope has been accused of being the Antichrist at one point or another.
4:12:09 PM+SimpleJakBy a non-zero amount of people*
4:12:38 PM+SimpleJakI didn't say "the Antichrist".
4:12:38 PM+BanquoRaven`X seems pretty charismatic to me
4:12:44 PM Ignoring Banquo!*@*
4:12:53 PM+SimpleJakI said "an anti-christ".
4:13:08 PM+muddypawsSimpleJak, where did I even mention you? ;-)
4:13:23 PM+SimpleJakmuddypaws: Where did I even mention you?
4:13:38 PM+muddypawsAh, a troll. Ignored.
4:13:41 PM Ignoring muddypaws!*@*
4:13:44 PM+SimpleJakmuddypaws: I put you on ignore.
4:14:37 PM+SimpleJakDonald Trump is an anti-Christ figure because he hates all of Jesus' teachings and loves none of them.
4:14:53 PM+SimpleJakDonald Trump is an anti-Christ figure because he repeatedly and routinely violates all the Ten Commandments.
4:15:07 PM+SimpleJakWhat other people said about other presidents and popes is irrelevant to the two above claims.
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4:15:48 PM+SimpleJakHi, Forest`.
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4:16:04 PM+SimpleJakWe're doing whataboutism in order to defend the anti-Christ and vile human being Donald J. Trump.
4:16:09 PM+SimpleJakHop on in.
4:16:16 PM+Forest`hello SimpleJak
4:16:39 PM+Forest`whataboutism is less than useless
4:16:44 PM+SimpleJakAgreed.
4:16:55 PM+SimpleJakIt's congruent with the Russia model of propaganda, though.
4:17:09 PM+SimpleJakThe goal is to muddy the waters of truth so that nobody knows who or what to believe.
4:17:17 PM+barabbas`afkquestion is, is Trump more of an antichrist than Obama or Bush???
4:17:22 PM+SimpleJakThen, the autocrat or oligarchs can successfully enslave the population.
4:17:28 PM+SimpleJakbarabbas`afk: You're not sure?
4:17:34 PM+Forest`i've always fact checked - now i do it even more throughly because i suspect Russia in everything  :\
4:17:39 PMⓘ barabbas`afk is now known as barabbas`
4:17:43 PM+SimpleJakForest`: That is a good idea.
4:17:49 PM+Forest`hi barabbas`
4:17:50 PM+SimpleJakRussia -- and others -- have completely weaponized the internet.
4:18:01 PM+barabbas`Hello Banquo, Forest`
4:18:28 PM+SimpleJakObama acted reasonably congruent with the teachings of Christ.
4:18:33 PM+SimpleJakGeorge W. Bush somewhat less so.
4:18:44 PM+SimpleJakDonald Trump is 100% the opposite of every teaching of Christ on every topic.
4:19:12 PM+Forest`SimpleJak i thought you believed whataboutism is useless
4:19:14 PM+SimpleJak(Notably, being the commander in chief and waging wars on people in far off lands is not congruent with the teachings of Christ)
4:19:18 PM+barabbas`I know that, its just whenever someone slams Trump, a hair on fire conservative will bring up Obama, Thought  I would get a jump on them.
4:19:27 PM+Forest`lol barabbas`
4:19:37 PM+SimpleJakForest`: For which thesis am I doing whataboutism?
4:19:46 PM+SimpleJakbarabbas`: Okay.
4:19:49 PM+Forest`mentioning Obama at all
4:20:06 PM+SimpleJakForest`: I considered the previous topic resolved; I didn't know barabbas` was being sarcastic.
4:20:19 PM+SimpleJakWhich is to say, I was engaging what I perceived to be the topic squarely.
4:21:00 PM+Forest`i was sort of joking, because i have no idea what preceeded my entry
4:21:14 PM+SimpleJakOkay.
4:21:28 PM+SimpleJakForest`: I was reflecting on Donald Trump is one of the worst human beings of all time.
4:21:36 PM+SimpleJakAnd is a clear and present danger to the lives and well-being of every American.
4:21:52 PM+SimpleJakAnd the GOP in Congress puts no pressure on him to reform in the time between now and Mueller indicting him.
4:22:08 PM+Forest`he's certainly the worst president, and he's dangerous because of his current position, but i'm pretty sure there have been worse human beings
4:22:11 PM+SimpleJakWhich is to say, We have a medium-term solution to Trump in Mueller, but we need a short-term solution, too, which is mostly supposed to be Congress.
4:22:20 PM* Forest` likes to be precise
4:22:20 PM+SimpleJak"one of the worst"
4:22:34 PM+SimpleJakThere have been worse human beings than Donald Trump.
4:22:38 PM+SimpleJakPol Pot, for example.
4:22:39 PM+barabbas`Yeah, the GOP who screamed bloody murder whenever Obama suggested spending, now are spending like there is no tomorrow.
4:22:47 PM+SimpleJakThough, the gap between Pol Pot and Trump isn't very much.
4:22:56 PM+SimpleJakThe only reason Trump doesn't have killing fields is because he doesn't have enough power.
4:23:05 PM+SimpleJakIf he had more power, he would strongly support killing fields.
4:23:12 PM+SimpleJakMostly composed of people who criticize him or didn't like the Apprentice.
4:23:16 PM+LordGloomno way
4:23:18 PM+SimpleJakWhich are some of the highest crimes imaginable in this universe.
4:23:20 PM+Forest`jeffrey dahmer was a worse human being
4:23:26 PM+LordGloomhe wouldnt do regular killing fields at least
4:23:29 PM+SimpleJakForest`: Donald Trump has killed more people than Dahmer.
4:23:36 PM+SimpleJakLordGloom: You are naive.
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4:23:40 PM+LordGloom if he DID it would be some hidden roundabout way so he wouldnt really think of it as a killing field
4:23:44 PM+SimpleJakLordGloom: Are you familiar with Naomi Klein?
4:23:47 PM+Forest`SimpleJak well, if he hasn't yet his policies definitely could
4:24:03 PM+LordGloom i mean if it was like his policy causes some african village to starve because of some economic reason, ,ok
4:24:05 PM+Forest`o.0
4:24:06 PM+LordGloom i could see that
4:24:21 PM+SimpleJakNaomi Klein, when commenting on his impromptu Travel Ban 1.0, mentioned that empowering middle-level agents of the state with ambiguous powers is one of the best ways to get human misery.
4:24:37 PM+LordGloom but not a BLATANT killing field where you go into a village and slaughter a bunch of unarmed civilians just because they want to use new gender pronouns
4:24:42 PM+SimpleJakDonald Trump says ambiguous things all the time, like possibly calling for the assassination of Hillary Clinton.
4:25:01 PM+SimpleJakThen, he modifies some rules that empower middle-level agents to act in accordance with his vague pronouncements.
4:25:09 PM+LordGloomno i am not familiar with naomi klein
4:25:18 PM+SimpleJakShe wrote The Shock Doctrine, among other books.
4:25:23 PM+SimpleJakShe is currently employed at The Intercept.
4:25:45 PM+SimpleJakLordGloom: Why don't people generally kill people?
4:25:49 PM+SimpleJakI can think of three primary reasons:
4:25:52 PM+SimpleJak1. You'll get in trouble
4:25:56 PM+LordGloomRavenX take simpleJAk off igore and you would know
4:25:58 PM+SimpleJak2. You feel, subjectively, it is wrong.
4:26:18 PM+LordGloomyeah its mostly those
4:26:18 PM+SimpleJakHmm, I can't remember what the third was going to be.
4:26:34 PM+LordGloomravenx i am talking to simpljak about trump
4:26:38 PM+SimpleJakDonald Trump, famously, has almost zero empathy.
4:26:42 PM+SimpleJakI don't mean low empathy. I mean zero.
4:26:46 PM+SimpleJakHow so?
4:26:55 PM+LordGloomwell he did used to be in favor of late term abortion
4:26:55 PM+LordGloom but
4:26:58 PM+SimpleJakWhen asked on September 12, 2001 about the WTC attacks, he remarked his building was now the tallest.
4:27:08 PM+LordGloomi think he just tricked himself into believing it couldnt feel pain or something
4:27:18 PM+LordGloomlol
4:27:22 PM+LordGloom thats funny
4:27:22 PM+SimpleJakWhen observing an elderly man fall at Mar-A-Lago, and cracking his cranium, spilling blood everywhere, he remarked "The beautiful marble floor."
4:27:30 PM+LordGloombullshit
4:27:33 PM+SimpleJakWhat?
4:27:37 PM+LordGloomhe didnt say that
4:27:43 PM+LordGloomor if he did
4:27:46 PM+LordGloom it was after
4:27:48 PM+LordGloom condolences
4:27:53 PM+LordGloom or something
4:27:55 PM+SimpleJakYou don't even know what I am talking about.
4:28:01 PM+SimpleJakAnd you're fabricating a possible dialogue.
4:28:08 PM+SimpleJakDo you agree that is, prima facie, unreasonable?
4:28:15 PM+LordGloomyo are claiming trump said something very stupid like that
4:28:19 PM+SimpleJakNo, I am not.
4:28:23 PM+SimpleJakI am citing journalism.
4:28:24 PM+Forest`SimpleJak he also said it was disgusting, not anything remotely like, "someone get that man some help!"
4:28:30 PM+SimpleJakhttps://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/listen-trump-brags-about-turning-away-in-disgust-as-elderly-mar-a-l...
4:28:43 PM+SimpleJakYou can hear him say it.
4:28:48 PM+SimpleJakHe said it in Howard Stern's radio show.
4:28:55 PM+LordGloomi believe he said the rude things to that late
4:28:55 PM+SimpleJakForest`: Yep.
4:28:56 PM+Forest`Banquo yes, since i was six
4:28:58 PM+LordGloomlady on the plane
4:29:07 PM+SimpleJak“He’s bleeding all over the place, I felt terrible, you know,” Trump continued. “Beautiful marble floor, it didn’t look so good. It changed color, it became very red, and you have this poor guy, 80 years old, laying on the floor, conscious, and all of the rich people are turning away, ‘Oh my god, this is terrible, this is disgusting,’ and, you know, they’re turning away, nobody wants to help the guy, and his wife is screaming, she sitting right next to him and she’s screaming.”
4:29:20 PM+SimpleJakLordGloom: Say these words, "I was wrong and you were right, SimpleJak."
4:29:23 PM+SimpleJakIt will help tame your ego.
4:29:27 PM+LordGloomok that sounds more like him
4:29:31 PM+LordGloomno
4:29:35 PM+LordGloom i wasnt wrong
4:29:44 PM+LordGloom i believe he said that thing you quoted
4:29:48 PM+LordGloom or something very much like it
4:29:56 PM+LordGloombut not the way you made it sound earlier
4:30:06 PM+SimpleJak4:27:22 PM+SimpleJakWhen observing an elderly man fall at Mar-A-Lago, and cracking his cranium, spilling blood everywhere, he remarked "The beautiful marble floor."
4:30:06 PM+SimpleJak4:27:30 PM+LordGloombullshit
4:30:19 PM+SimpleJak4:27:37 PM+LordGloomhe didnt say that
4:30:19 PM+SimpleJak4:27:43 PM+LordGloomor if he did
4:30:19 PM+SimpleJak4:27:46 PM+LordGloom it was after
4:30:21 PM+LordGloomand read on
4:30:23 PM+Forest`Banquo i had an uncle who was a professional hypnotist and he left a book on self hypnosis at our house, and i read it
4:30:31 PM+LordGloomok
4:30:47 PM+SimpleJakHe did not remark on the marble floor after condolences.
4:30:53 PM+SimpleJakYou were wrong.
4:31:08 PM+LordGloomhe felt terrible
4:31:14 PM+LordGloom that is condolence
4:31:18 PM+LordGloomhe meant the guy
4:31:27 PM+SimpleJakI felt terrible, you know,” Trump continued. “Beautiful marble floor, it didn’t look so good.
4:31:44 PM+LordGloomyeah he meant the guy getting hurt made him feel terrible
4:31:53 PM+LordGloomthats condolence
4:31:57 PM+SimpleJakHow could you possibly know what he meant.
4:32:05 PM+LordGloomi dont know for sure, but odds ar
4:32:08 PM+LordGloomodds are he did
4:32:12 PM+SimpleJakDo you want me to listen to his heart?
4:32:12 PM+LordGloomhe is not stupid
4:32:15 PM+SimpleJakInstead of his words?
4:32:22 PM+LordGloom even if  he is a sociopath he is smart enough to know
4:32:26 PM+SimpleJakIt is *possible* your interpretation is correct.
4:32:29 PM+LordGloom unless its on a comedy show, and he is being funny
4:32:32 PM+SimpleJakIt is not the most likely, however.
4:32:34 PM+LordGloom then maybe he didnt meant it that way
4:32:40 PM+SimpleJakLordGloom: So, let's return to the topic.
4:32:41 PM+LordGloom but then its a joke and its not right at the time it happened
4:32:44 PM+SimpleJakThe topic is killing fields and Donald Trump.
4:32:51 PM+SimpleJakSo, Donald Trump doesn't feel any empathy towards others.
4:32:51 PM+LordGloomok
4:33:01 PM+Forest`Banquo no, he tried to hypnotize a whole room full of people at a family reunion. I didn't go under. My husband-to-be did, immediately. So i learned to hypnotize him and had a lot of fun at parties for years
4:33:04 PM+SimpleJakSo, if he said something, and somebody kill somebody because of his words, he wouldn't feel bad.
4:33:18 PM+SimpleJakThat's one of the two motivations for not killing people.
4:33:24 PM+SimpleJakThe other is, as you agreed to, getting in trouble.
4:33:36 PM+SimpleJakThis scenario was predicated on the constraint "if he had enough power".
4:33:44 PM+SimpleJakWhich is to say, "In a world in which he wouldn't get in trouble."
4:33:48 PM+LordGloomand another is that you know its going to cause harm
4:33:53 PM+LordGloom even if it doenst make you feel bad
4:33:55 PM+SimpleJakHe doesn't perceive harm to others.
4:33:59 PM+SimpleJakWe established this.
4:34:08 PM+SimpleJakHe has no ability to feel harm in others.
4:34:19 PM+SimpleJakHe has insulted humans who had their husband kill two days before.
4:34:20 PM+LordGloomhe can tell when he is harming others
4:34:27 PM+SimpleJakAnd complained she didn't honor Trump with her words.
4:34:36 PM+SimpleJakHe has ideas about how to harm others, yes.
4:34:40 PM+SimpleJakHe doesn't feel that harm, though.
4:34:44 PM+LordGloomshe was probably being a cunt, trying to look for some reason to get insulted
4:34:47 PM+SimpleJakAs he is a sociopath.
4:34:52 PM Ignoring LordGloom!*@*
4:34:55 PM+SimpleJakI put you on ignore, LordGloom.
4:35:06 PM+SimpleJakReason: "she was probably being a cunt".
4:35:15 PM+SimpleJakYou have no evidence of this. You are constructing post-hoc defenses of your Alpha.
4:35:22 PM+SimpleJakThat is a way to live life, but it has nothing to do with reason.
4:35:35 PM+SimpleJakThank you for the conversation.

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4:36:24 PM+SimpleJakThat is an unedited record of the conversation.
4:36:47 PM+SimpleJakPerhaps you are unable to see his psychopathy because you have psychopathic tendencies.
4:37:31 PM+SimpleJakAsserting, confidently, in a way which indicates you truly believed it was quite likely, that the woman was "probably being a cunt" because Donald Trump insulted her after her husband was killed a few days prior, indicates, at best, you have no ability to neutrally assess Trump on this topic.
4:37:57 PM+SimpleJakWorse, you will be part of his killing fields and you confidently assert the current round of people being killed "were probably being cunts" to Donald -- why else would he order their deaths?
4:38:23 PM+SimpleJakLordGloom: I have seen you blunder many times in the space of politics.
4:38:29 PM+SimpleJakThat was by far your most atrocious blunder of all time.
4:38:51 PM+SimpleJakYou can be reasonably excluded from all future conversations of politics that are evidence-based, going forward.
4:40:00 PM+SimpleJakOne last summary for any observers of this conversation:
4:40:08 PM+SimpleJak1. We have evidence of Trump directly saying X
4:40:14 PM+SimpleJak2. LordGloom asserts he probably didn't mean X
4:40:24 PM+SimpleJak3. We have no evidence whatsoever of the wife saying Y to Trump
4:40:32 PM+SimpleJak4. LordGloom asserts she probably meant Y
4:40:54 PM+SimpleJakThis is the quintessential nature of bias.