typhon's argument for low emotional intelligence

typhon
Monfd, your emotional intelligence is so low that any awareness in that sphere comes off like an illegitimate intrusion to you.
Monfd
My emotional intelligence is roughly in the 99%tile, naturally
typhon
Evidence suggests otherwise.
Monfd
As emotional intelligence, to the extent it's a valid psychological construct is highly correlated with general cognitive ability
Monfd
But, as you know, EQ isn't a valid psychological construct
Monfd
There's only IQ and the Big-5 leaving nothing left for 'EQ'
Monfd
(This is somewhat unresolved, but the consensus leans towards what I just claimed)
Monfd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence
Monfd
Criticisms have centered on whether EI is a real intelligence and whether it has incremental validity over IQ and the Big Five personality traits.[18]
typhon
The MMPI-2 has an EQ measure.
typhon
You're right that it's not as well validated as IQ though.
Monfd
IQ is the most validated construct in psychological research
Monfd
EQ is a projection of the 10-trillion dimensional mind (for example) to a few dimensions and provides insight into human minds
Monfd
I'm down to use it somewhat
Monfd
It just seems it's a less robust way of talking about IQ + Big 5
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Monfd
I haven't heard of MMPI-2
Monfd
typhon: Estimate my EQ percentile
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typhon
Low, possibly impaired.
Monfd
You think it's below average?
Monfd
You realize the prior on that is quite low, given my IQ
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Monfd
And given the positive correlation between IQ and 'EQ'
typhon
Yes, but I think you will believe otherwise due to things like your performed empathy for cows.
Monfd
typhon: Empathy is one of the markers of EQ, yes?
typhon
You don't appear to actually have empathy.
Monfd
So, yes, the evidence of my ovo-vegetarianism does, in fact, move the posterior on my having a low 'EQ'
typhon
You seem aware of the philosophical argument for universal empathy.
Monfd
Okay, a new sub-argument arises: I have vey low to zero empathy
typhon
I mean with respect to cows/animals in this case.
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Monfd
typhon: Some of the data you have to evaluate that claim is my performances in this channel, as well as the content some of the associated speech points to
Monfd
For example, perhaps you find my speech in this channel to not feature empathy
Monfd
However, you still have to resolve the causal basis of my choosing to be an ovo-vegetarian
typhon
I'm giving my impression based on what I read from you here and what I know about your activity on wikipedia / at university.
Monfd
typhon: Do you agree that choosing to be vegetarian/vegan in a carnist-dominant society is a type of prosocial behavior and positively correlated with high rates of empathy
Monfd
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animal-emotions/201207/brain-scans-show-vegetarians-more-empathic-omnivores
17:06 limesegue . o O ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6e_rGWbFqs

Monfd
Written questionnaires on empathy, in both this and other studies, seem to confirm higher empathy levels in vegetarians and vegans (Preyo and Arkiwawa, 2008; Filippi et al 2010)." (I could not find the reference to Preyo and Arkiwawa, 2008 but the entire essay by Filippi et al., 2010 is here.)
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typhon
I'm sure people who buy Starbucks smart water (a portion of every bottle's cost goes to orphans in Africa) are also very empathetic.
Monfd
That's a fallacy
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Monfd
Red herring (among others)
typhon
Sarcasm isn't a fallacy.
typhon
You're failing to grasp the emotional context of our exchange, as usual.
Monfd
Vegetarianism/veganism indicates higher rates of empathy
Monfd
So, here is where we're at:
Monfd
Top-level thesis: You believe I have a low EQ.
Monfd
1. Empathy is an important component of EQ (agreed)
Monfd
1a. My vegetarianism/veganism raises the posterior on my having high empathy
Monfd
1b. IQ is positive correlated with higher 'EQ'
Monfd
1c. You acknowledge that I have a "philosophical argument for universal empathy"
Monfd
There are now three arguments for my having high empathy
Monfd
What arguments do you have against


Monfd
typhon: Your thesis has been rejected until you provide supporting argumentation and evidence.
typhon
Monfd, that's fine.
Monfd
My current conclusion, which is amenable to future argumentation and evidence: You felt insecure about my noting you are not as intelligent as me and so you fabricated a highly likely false claim to reach emotional parity.
Monfd
typhon: By "that's fine" you seem to be indicating how you personally feel about it.
Monfd
There are at least two other major perspectives a person in your position might have:
Monfd
1. Did I violate my professional ethics by fabricating the claim I did without being able to provide sufficient evidence and argumentation?
Monfd
2. Did I violate abstract notions of justice, or other virtues, by fabricating the claim I did without being able to provide sufficient evidence and argumentation?
Monfd
I believe that you did violate your professional ethics.
Monfd
I believe that you did violate abstract notions of justice.