|werejag| vows to vote for Trump over AOC

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Topic: <@Joey> it's why I find it humorous when I hear the word "debate" when it comes to climate change.
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Joey
lol Lawrence just showed a copy of the proposed resolution and it took him 22 seconds to read it....The Republicans are bitching because they are saying they need to study the bill.
englanddg
I dunno.
Joey
they need to form a commission to study one sentence
lednerk
ok
englanddg
Where is the emergency?
lednerk
the national emergency is sitting in the WH
Monfd
The emergency is the GOP.
Talia` agrees  ... and just keeps on observing
Monfd
The GOP is an enemy of the American people that frequently violates the rule of law, lies to the American people, hates democracy, and colludes with foreign powers.
Joey
hey a lot of times they just leave you speechless with their nonsense
lednerk
!tsearch nra russian money
Joey
I mean a commission to study one sentence? WTF guys...
englanddg
The NRA is russian money now?
lednerk
yep
englanddg
I'm lost.
lednerk
where have u been?
englanddg
Out in the woodlands, obviously.
lednerk
wb
lednerk
to reality
englanddg
So, the NRA is russian money.
englanddg
Trump is also russian.
englanddg
Er....
englanddg
Ok.
Monfd
The NRA is Russian money.
Monfd
You can confirm this with 3 minutes of research.
Monfd
Trump is not Russian.
englanddg
I'm not disputing your assertion.
englanddg
I do find it a bit, confusing.
Monfd
Trump is a Russian agent.
Monfd
Trump has been an agent of Russian since at least 1987 July 04.
englanddg
Wow.
Monfd
This, too, is easy to confirm.
englanddg
I really can't wait for the Mueller report now.
englanddg
This is better than Q-Anon or Pizzagate.
Monfd
Those are conspiracy theories.
englanddg
Can you walk me through it?
lednerk
we already know donny jr, coffee boy paul manafort and jared met with the russians
Monfd
Robert Mueller is a legendary lawman.
lednerk
they lied about the meeting
Monfd
englanddg: You're strongly signaling that you're a right-wing partisan that dislikes facts.
lednerk
then trump had to create a fake story about "child adoptions" LOL
Monfd
englanddg: No, I cannot walk you through it.
Monfd
Reason: You need to first demonstrate you're a valid student.
Monfd
The signaling you've done of ignorance and propaganda, so far, means you're a bad student.
englanddg
Monfd - I am right leaning.  I am not a partisan.  I very much enjoy facts.  Can you provide some?
Talia`
I never seen this channel so active....and  everyone using   'big words'
Monfd
englanddg: You typed "Trump is also russian."
lednerk
fact -> we already know donny jr, coffee boy paul manafort and jared met with the russians
Monfd
Why did you type that.
Monfd
That was you doing propaganda, correct?
lednerk
englanddg thinks trump is russian? LOL, why does he think that?
englanddg
Da.
lednerk
trump was born in NYC
englanddg
His hair.
englanddg
Only russians in the 80s would have had hair like that.
Monfd
By conflating the strongly defensible claim that 'Trump is a Russian agent' with the prima facie silly claim 'Trump is Russian'.
Monfd
This was you violating 2500 years of philosophy on valid argumentation, correct.
Monfd
This signals you're a right-wing partisan, right.
Monfd
That is, the evidence of your post changes the posterior on that status.
englanddg
I am right wing.  I am not a "partisan".
Talia`
makes sense  englanddg
Monfd
englanddg: Show us how you can type "Trump is Russian. Er... Ok." while being right-wing without being a right-wing partisan.
englanddg
Though, I don't really enjoy the "left and right" conversations when the reality and the danger is authoritarianism (the vertical axis)
lednerk
MAGA
englanddg
I am not anarcho-anything though.
Monfd
englanddg: You compared the Mueller investigation to Q-Anon and Pizzagate.
Monfd
You no longer have any credibility.
englanddg
No, I didn't.  If you read it as such, that is my fault for not separating the two comments for your consumption.
Monfd
https://pastebin.com/j5bkn1Xc
englanddg
It was meant as conversational.
Monfd
Here is a record of englanddg in a previous conversation.
englanddg
No need to pastebin, it's a few lines up.
Monfd
englanddg: I ended my conversation with you.
Monfd
You have a history of being a dishonest chatter.
Joey
heh he once was an op here.
Monfd
Room, you can see in that debate that I cited several federal courts describing GOP efforts at voter suppression as 'Jim Crow from 1910'.
Joey
I know
Monfd
Monfd
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Some of these gerrymandering efforts have been described as "Jim Crow efforts by the GOP".
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By federal courts.
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In some cases, there are GOP documents indicating the GOP intended to stop people with black skin from voting.
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Mississippi, I believe.
Joey
and then the drugs kicked in
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Topic: <@Joey> it's why I find it humorous when I hear the word "debate" when it comes to climate change.
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Monfd
How did englanddg respond?
Monfd
00:09 englanddg
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I too wear tin foil hats.
Joey
lol script
Joey
heh yep dood
Monfd
So, in response to my citing federal courts, englanddg, the right-wing partisan compared that claim to wearing a tin foil hat.
Monfd
This person has absolutely zero credibility.
Joey
gerrymandering?
Monfd
Joey: Are you asking me?
Joey
englandgg I saw this earlier on Lawrence....lol so it is estimated that Donald is 99 electoral college votes behind whomever runs against him.
lednerk
@realDonaldTrump: Senate Democrats just voted against legislation to prevent the killing of newborn infant children. The Democrat position on abortion is now so extreme that they don’t mind executing babies AFTER birth....
Joey
so much for gerrymandering
lednerk
@realDonaldTrump: ....This will be remembered as one of the most shocking votes in the history of Congress. If there is one thing we should all agree on, it’s protecting the lives of innocent babies.
Monfd
Almost everything Donald Trump says is a lie.
Joey
basically they could run a chiguagua against donald and win
Monfd
He lies so frequently the prior is that when you hear something he says, it is correct to assume it a lie until you have evidence it is true.
lednerk
like i said
Monfd
(Again, Bayesian inference)
lednerk
the national emergency is sitting in the WH
Monfd
lednerk: He committed treason, a capital offense.
Joey
well right now it's over the Pacific somewhere or has he arrived in vietnam?
Monfd
Our political system is very, very weak -- we don't hold traitors to account.
Monfd
You'll recall Richard Nixon was also guilty of treason.
Joey
yep and he quit before they fired his ass
lednerk
i am also curious to see what the mueller & sdny investigations find
Monfd
Before the 1968 election, he reached out to a nation with whom the US was at war with and derailed the Paris Peace talks so he could win, promising them a better deal if he was president.
Joey
Lednerk there is so much corruption man it's hard to figure that one out.
Monfd
The GOP has been a trash party for a long, long time.
lednerk
GOPutins
Monfd
The only ethical response of an American towards the GOP is full boycott until reform.
Monfd
That reform would likely require many years.
Monfd
It's similar to how an ethical person should respond to the Roman Catholic Church.
Monfd
Full boycott for decades.
lednerk
^ lol
lednerk
englanddg came out of a bubble
lednerk
tell us some more stories that sean hannity told u to tell us
Monfd
lednerk: He's a right-wing partisan whose goal is to spread disinformation.
Monfd
He's an enemy of the republic.
lednerk
Monfd: i concur
Joey
the fun thing about the GOP is they still want to actually debate climate change....
Monfd
Joey: Debate isn't a defined concept in the GOP's worldview.
lednerk
i dunno about englanddg being an enemy.. maybe he believes that information
Joey
California is estimated to have over $400 billion in damages over the last fires.....
Monfd
lednerk: Are you familiar with the Federalist Papers?
lednerk
yea
Monfd
In Federalist 10, James Madison details how factionalism is the primary threat to the republic.
Joey
this is no longer an issue of money when it comes to climate change.
lednerk
indeed
Monfd
englanddg clearly lies, spreads disinformation, and sows confusion to bolster his faction at the expense of the republic.
lednerk
englanddg: do u listen to hannity on the radio?
Monfd
He's a full enemy.
Monfd
Many people aren't familia with somebody on the left speaking this way.
Monfd
The left are often peaceful people that do not initiate conflict.
Monfd
The right are people fundamentally at odds with all of modernity.
Joey
During Pendejo's last physical the doctor did a rectal exam and found Hannity stuck up there.
Monfd
Modernity is a leftist project.
Monfd
All the core values of modernity are leftist values.
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This is why the right is forever dissatisfied.
Monfd
The very structure of modernity is their enemy.
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And so they foment rebellion against this antagonist system over and over again.
Monfd
Then, they wake up the left, as they did in 1861.
Monfd
Or in 1941.
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And the left crushes them, once again.
Monfd
We're seeing them, once more, foment rebellion, as they've been colluding with Russia since at least 2012.
Monfd
And now the left is rising up once more to point out how deplorable they are as human beings.
Monfd
And this speech is just a small part of that reminder.
Monfd
Senior members of the GOP have preferred Putin to reasonable actors of the American republic since 2012.
Monfd
You can find 'Fox News' and various articles bolstering the thief, murdering, and terrorist Vladimir Putin.
Monfd
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/10/he-defended-north-carolinas-voter-suppression-law-now-hes-set-to-become-a-federal-judge-there/
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The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals strongly disagreed, striking down the law a month later for targeting “African Americans with almost surgical precision.” The court said the legislature had requested data on the voting methods African Americans were most likely to use and then curtailed those very things, like early voting and same-day registration. The judges called this evidence “as close to a smoking gun as we a
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re likely to see in modern times” and blocked “the most restrictive voting law North Carolina has seen since the era of Jim Crow.”
Monfd
Again, that lead englanddg to respond with "i too wear tinfoil hats".
Monfd
He's an enemy of America.
|werejag|
...
|werejag|
self admitting to be a traitor
Joey
but like I said previously, Can anyone imagine Pendejo saying, "Love your fellow Americans and do no harm."
|werejag|
nope
|werejag|
wtf'
|werejag|
why
Monfd
Donald Trump is a fat piece of shit who justly deserves the Mussolini treatment.
|werejag|
bitch im not playing your games
|werejag|
i asked why
|werejag|
now spill it
Monfd
I think it would be very healthy for our republic to see Donald Trump stripped naked, killed, hanging upside down from the Washington Monument.
Joey
That asshole has dragged into the mud and the slime all the while saying he was going to clean up the place! Please!
Monfd
That will be sufficient to quell the rebellious right-wing for a few more decades.
Monfd
Then, they'll forget and do it again.
|werejag|
englanddg it will reach a guiliotone
|werejag|
ah englanddg must be on drugs tonight
Monfd
To the intelligence agencies recording this conversation, fuck you if you think my speech is more dangerous than Traitor Trump who's a literal Russian agent fucking over your homeland.
Joey
like the poll said....Pendejo is down 99 electoral college votes to whomever runs against him
|werejag|
englanddg never happening
|werejag|
nope
|werejag|
just like the latest maga terroist law enofrmce will deal with you
Joey
shit that means he will lose even if he could run against himself
Monfd
hehe
|werejag|
and ill moron for you not
|werejag|
morn*
Monfd
Donald Trump is going to lose, cast dispersion on our democracy, and then be indictment several dozen times.
|werejag|
englanddg pet rock 2020
|werejag|
can beat trump
Joey
anyone breathing according to that poll
Monfd
Then, he's going to be arrested and go through the Manafort path of breaking more laws while on bond.
|werejag|
englanddg hillary isnt runing
Monfd
Then, he's going to violate the judge's orders and be remanded to prison during his trail.
|werejag|
sorry i know ist your wet dream
Monfd
trial*
Joey
Hillary who?
Monfd
Then, he's going to lose his trial.
Monfd
Then, he's going to die in prison.
|werejag|
lol
Monfd
Then, his entire financial empire is going to be annihilated by dozens to hundreds of lawsuits.
|werejag|
englanddg sure and where is that red wave  the republicans like you claim ws coming?
Monfd
Then, the traitorous supporters will tell lies to themselves about Trump being the Lost Cause.
Monfd
And kids in 2060 will wave flags of MAGA, ostracizing themselves from their entire communities.
Monfd
And we'll do it all over again.
|werejag|
your fuere calimed it
Monfd
This is what the right has to offer its supporters.
Joey
I just think it's a numbers game and I really do believe there are more of us than of them......and they are motivated this time
|werejag|
the facist fucks in comet chan also
Monfd
Joey: The country is a center-left country.
Monfd
All the evidence shows that.
Joey
yep
Monfd
AOC's policies have majority support.
Monfd
AOC is a centrist in our political landscape.
|werejag|
it was a blue wave
|werejag| looks at the house
|werejag|
yep
Monfd
'Fox News' is attacking AOC because she becomes president in 2024 or 2028.
Joey
they fear her
Joey
and she's fearless....
|werejag|
englanddg dems are not taking trump lsing for granted
Joey
might be the youth but I don't think so
Joey
agreed
|werejag|
aoc
|werejag|
blah
Joey
I really like my fellow PR from the hood
|werejag|
she is a fail
Joey
well they are trying but I don't think they will werejag
|werejag|
i see repukes pushng her
|werejag|
enough saaid there
Joey
oh I think both repubs and some dems pushing her....
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|werejag|
joe bernies
Joey
yep she doesn't back down
|werejag|
Joey bernie
Joey
we'll see and of course bernie dood....he's over 35
|werejag|
englanddg thanks for helping slitify my distain for aoc
|werejag|
snake oil seller
|werejag|
does have a  grasp on reality
Monfd
|werejag|: You don't like AOC?
Joey
I always remember the Bronx this way because I'm from there.....When St Reagan came to the Bronx in 84 running for a second term which he won in a landslide...in the Bronx he lost by 34 points. Sorry but Puerto Ricans know idiots when they see one.
|werejag|
if it was magically aoc versus trump
|werejag|
trump might get a vote
Joey
AOC can't run against Trump
|werejag|
i know
Joey
why are we even discussing that?
|werejag|
i said magicaly
Monfd
|werejag|: Why do you dislike AOC?
|werejag|
snake oil seller
Joey
I don't think so
Monfd
|werejag|: How is she a "snake oil seller"
Monfd
I like AOC because she's one of the extremely few people in Congress really fighting for the American people
Monfd
And that includes GOP voters who are poor
Monfd
Even though they hate her, she fights for them
Joey
this is the bullshit people in the middle keep trying to say....but how are we going to pay for it? Fuck like I said California jusat got hit with $400 billion in losses due to fires....how can we not afford it is the real question
Joey
healthcare is rediculous
Joey
we spend more on healthcare than any other country in the industrialized world.....
Monfd
There's no way to justify voting for Trump over AOC
Monfd
From what I can tell, |werejag|, you correctly assess how bad Trump is
Monfd
Joey: We pay for it by making a national commitment to adopt policies that help the people
Monfd
We're so far from our democratic roots that such a sentiment is shocking
Joey
Monfd my question was rhetorical of course pay for it how ever we pay for it.....
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For sure
Monfd
I'm just adding that to your good answer
Joey
cool
Monfd
Your answer was more practical, but I wanted to express the purely ideological answer
Monfd
We commit to the right things, and then find away
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Like all the best moments of America
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We don't shy away from the right thing to do
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find a way*
Joey
exactly because to keep wondering about the solution will drive us crazy and to inaction
Joey
the final solution is a massive culling if we don't fix this shit.like now
Joey
if you think it's going to get better by just saying so.........
Monfd
Joey: But think of all the sick profit we can make in the next few years while our planet collapses around us
Joey
or by denying it which is a GOP solution
Joey
let's burn coal because it's clean
Joey
hey he's dragged the GOP to where he is
Joey
the GOP didn't rein him in when they had the chance
Joey
so we're not insane we see what the fool has done to a party that at one time I thought had people who would make policy better with good ideas.....not anymore
Joey
that fuckwit McConnell FFS
|werejag|
enselling ideas that have no way of working
|werejag|
selling
Monfd
|werejag|: How is she a "snake oil seller"
|werejag|
selling ideas that have no way of working
|werejag|
selling ideas that have no way of working
|werejag|
selling ideas that have no way of working
Joey
i don't think so
Monfd
I didn't realize your first post was a response to my question
Monfd
Which ideas of her do you think won't work
Joey
apparently all of those that cost money
|werejag|
take how she though amazon ws gteing cash from ny
Joey
absolutely
Monfd
I've thought all her ideas quite practical
|werejag|
and now it can be used on teaachers
|werejag|
there is no fucking money
Joey
and have private insurance for all that want to pay for it on their own
|werejag|
ok she might not be a snake oil seller
Monfd
My understanding of the Amazon thing is that they were going to get tax breaks from NY on future profit
|werejag|
she could be mearly stupid
Monfd
And that was the source of the 3bn
|werejag|
Monfd aoc thought it was  pot of gold
|werejag|
instead of a tax break
Monfd
Well, here's part of my understanding
|werejag|
Monfd your understanding s correct
|werejag|
it was  tax break
Joey
I don't know about that stupid thing....she went from 30 points down to 20 points up in 3 weeks against what the Dems thought could be the new House speaker....that seems a bit smarter than an IRC critic
|werejag|
no amazon no 3b in tax break
|werejag|
no jobs to tax
Joey
yep and i think she will refine as she goes along
|werejag|
englanddg and im telling you as a person who knew too many rightwing fuckers
|werejag|
ewhen you suport her
Monfd
|werejag|: My understanding is that she's trying to critique the entire strategy adopted by NY
|werejag|
its all i need to confirm that she is bad for dems
Monfd
Amazon was using its large status to haggle with the various states to get a sweet deal
|werejag|
Monfd the idiot failed
Monfd
While the state that gets that deal gets benefits, it's not in the interest of the United States as a whole
|werejag|
Monfd its how big buisness is
Joey
newp I think she's pulling the party left and it needs new thinking.....
Monfd
And Amazon paid no tax at all last year on 11bn in profit.
|werejag|
englanddg agreed
Joey
heh people understand the gentrification process that would have hit long island with Amazon
Monfd
|werejag|: What do you think we should do about companies like Amazon that pay no taxes?
Joey
25000 jobs for people well qualified for them....
|werejag|
joey Monfd fix the tax ssytem
Joey
move the fuckers out that don't qualify
|werejag|
25000 tax making jobs
Joey
hey to fix the tax system you need to win elections!
|werejag|
gone
|werejag|
aint gteing taht back
Monfd
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-amazon/
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Although Ocasio-Cortez was a vocal opponent of the HQ2 project, many other local and state legislators and residents were also opposed to the plan. For example, speaking to the crowd at a 14 November 2018 protest, New York City Councilman Jimmy van Bramer criticized the proposal, saying: “When Jeff Bezos needed $3 billion, the governor and the mayor found it sure damn quick. The governor and the mayor conspired secretly t
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o cut a deal with Jeff Bezos to the exclusion of everyone else.”
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Topic: <@Joey> it's why I find it humorous when I hear the word "debate" when it comes to climate change.
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Monfd
That script is kinda aggressive
Monfd
Criticism of the Amazon deal continued to grow in New York, and after a 30 January 2019 City Council meeting, Curbed New York reported the proverbial welcome mat was gone: “Council members blasted the officials with a laundry list of concerns including Amazon’s union opposition, its investment in the city, and accusations that city and state officials failed to accurately calculate the costs of bringing the conglomerate
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to Long Island City.”
|werejag|
Monfd i saw her statement about the 3 biliion on fools gold in real time
|werejag|
i dont need the link
Monfd
https://thefederalist.com/2019/02/18/aoc-right-amazons-jobs-arent-worth-3-billion-corporate-welfare/
Monfd
It seems the situation is far more complicated than I think you're presenting
|werejag|
the aoc amazon thing is one reason republicans are pushing for her
Monfd
The GOP is terrified of AOC
|werejag|
fedralist
|werejag|
mauauauuah
|werejag|
enogh said
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|werejag|: I'm trying to explore this issue with you
Joey
hey if amazon is really interested in being a good citizen go to Cleveland!
Monfd
I haven't waded into the Amazon issue too much previously as it seemed a hot spot for propaganda
Joey
Indiana!
Monfd
What's your objection to The Federalist?
Monfd
I think they're some libertarian organization or something
|werejag|
Monfd that just a spot taht helps focus
|werejag|
englanddg enjoy
Monfd
They self-describe as conservative
|werejag|
take  care
Joey
later englanddg
|werejag|
englanddg
|werejag|
you are wrong
|werejag|
englanddg alwaays remeber tthat
|werejag|
lol
Monfd
The Federalist is arguing that Amazon would have come with high likelihood without the tax incentives
|werejag|
Monfd they didnt did they?
Monfd
And that the tax incentives are expected because of a general level of corruption in how business is done
|werejag|
lol
Monfd
|werejag|: Well, we know they didn't go to NY, but we don't know why precisely
|werejag|
i knwp
|werejag|
englanddg
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The question of whether, or to what extent, incentives are necessary isn’t just an issue in the case of Amazon, either, and research into the incentives that include or imply “but for” language— “but for the incentive, the project won’t happen” —are helpful here. For example, a study by the W.E. Upjohn Institute published last year reveals that the vast majority of businesses that receive tax incentives unde
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r a “but-for” rubric likely would have pursued their projects even without the incentive.
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In other words, many of these projects are getting tax incentives not because the project wouldn’t happen without them, but because business interests have become accustomed to receiving them and know how to work the system to get them. The result? As local tax incentives proliferate, fewer and fewer taxpayers become responsible for greater and greater portions of local government funding.
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This argument supports AOC claims
|werejag|
unlike builing sport statiums
|werejag|
on tax payer money
|werejag|
the tax rebate was betetr
Joey
heh
|werejag|
brasil?
Joey
Tax payers of all classes better get used to the idea this is going to hurt and it's going to hurt everyone.....
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Monfd
What's your objection to The Federalist?
Joey
whomever thinks they are going to get a free ride out of this one is crazy
Joey
lol always
|werejag|
englanddg use the big star
|werejag|
betetr for sharp shooters
|werejag|
lol
|werejag|
lol
|werejag|
Monfd they are  rightwing site
|werejag|
the fedralists are anti fedralists
|werejag|
nah i dont want englanddg dead
|werejag|
he is alright
|werejag|
and he takes abuse and deals it out
21:58 |werejag|
always nice to chat with
|werejag|
yes
|werejag|
lol
|werejag|
bbl
Joey
hey good night folks.....see you tomorrow