[9:52 PM] shadow: Now on to redrawing
[9:57 PM] Senny: those were all my comments
[9:57 PM] shadow: Right
[9:58 PM] shadow: well I don't know about godhood, but I thought my typesetting was better than the redrawing, which comes as a surprise now
[9:58 PM] Senny: heh
[9:58 PM] shadow: I also thought I have a long way before I can take redrawing to a professional level(edited)
[9:58 PM] Senny: its hard for me to judge entirely though
[9:58 PM] Senny: since these raws are lower quality than im used to
[9:58 PM] Senny: so they hide imperfections better
[9:58 PM] shadow: If you're talking sloppy about page 2, that was a nightmare and I hated it
[9:58 PM] shadow: so I just gave up midway
[9:58 PM] Senny: the point is that I see the problems in all of the redraws
[9:59 PM] Senny: but its on a good path
[9:59 PM] shadow: I see problems too yeah
[9:59 PM] shadow: But then again, those pages are one of my first proper redraws
[9:59 PM] shadow: So I still have a long way
[10:00 PM] Senny: itll be easier for my group too, since we mostly only redraw post letter, although I dont think professional manga letterers do this
[10:00 PM] shadow: It's the opposite I think
[10:00 PM] shadow: You redraw after cleaning and letter at the end
[10:00 PM] Senny: so... not the opposite?
[10:00 PM] Senny: we redraw after cleaning and lettering too
[10:01 PM] shadow: letter at the end means it happens after redrawing
[10:01 PM] shadow: it wouldnt be at the end otherwise
[10:01 PM] shadow: engrish
[10:01 PM] Senny: hmmm, bad sentence order then
[10:01 PM] shadow: its correct
[10:01 PM] Senny: misleading
[10:01 PM] Senny: [10:00 PM] shadow: You redraw after cleaning and letter at the end
[10:02 PM] Senny: this makes it sound like redrawing is last
[10:02 PM] Senny: ask literally anyone in my chat
[10:02 PM] shadow: if it was, letter would be lettering
[10:02 PM] Senny: but okay, we got that misunderstanding squared away... maybe.
[10:02 PM] shadow: The two words would be in the same form
[10:02 PM] shadow: but they aren't
[10:02 PM] Senny: Misleading, I rest my case.
[10:03 PM] Senny: You can avoid two interpretations by using a comma after 'and'
[10:03 PM] Senny: without the comma it's open to two different possible ways to parse the sentence.
[10:03 PM] shadow: I'm a grammar nazi so- well that's not entirely correct because commas aren't used before and generally speaking
[10:03 PM] shadow: anyways yes
[10:03 PM] Senny: Hmmmm, lol
[10:04 PM] shadow: the correct thing would be to remove and, then comma it
[10:04 PM] Senny: :thinking:
[10:04 PM] Senny: That... isn't right.
[10:05 PM] shadow: jesus
[10:05 PM] shadow: ok look
[10:05 PM] Senny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eats,_Shoots_%26_Leaves
[10:05 PM] shadow: You redraw after cleaning, lettering at the end.
[10:05 PM] shadow: How's this
[10:06 PM] Senny: OK, well if you letter for our group
[10:06 PM] Senny: from that exchange above
[10:06 PM] Senny: I'd say that you don't have enough experience with English grammar.
[10:07 PM] Senny: so if you do make any comments about the grammar of the translation, do it separately for sure.
[10:07 PM] Senny: (as opposed to editing it in)
[10:08 PM] shadow: I'm not sure how to react to this since I can write a million reasons why that isn't true.
[10:08 PM] shadow: Don't take my language skills from an unserious convo.
[10:08 PM] Senny: :sweat:
[10:10 PM] shadow: If I literally do not punctuate my sentences with a full stop then you can't really say I'm being serious, it's a casual convo after all.
[10:10 PM] Senny: The issue was that I was explaining how the way you wrote a sentence would be parsed in two ways unless you add a comma after and, which would be grammatically correct.
[10:10 PM] shadow: But let's not get this heated, I'll just ignore my wish to argue.
[10:10 PM] Senny: I wasn't expecting you to write correctly.
[10:10 PM] Senny: But I also was surprised to see you call yourself a grammar nazi lol
[10:11 PM] Senny: commas after and's are acceptable, often direly necessary
[10:11 PM] Senny: it just depends on the situation
[10:11 PM] shadow: You didn't read what I said back there.
[10:11 PM] shadow: I said BEFORE and.
[10:12 PM] Senny: I... thought that would be a given. Can you copy-paste where I misread?
[10:12 PM] shadow: I'm a grammar nazi so- well that's not entirely correct because commas aren't used before and generally speaking
[10:12 PM] Senny: That isn't true at all.
[10:13 PM] shadow: I'm not saying it's completely incorrect here.
[10:13 PM] Senny: generally speaking though, they can and are used after and's when it's grammatically necessary.
[10:13 PM] Senny: If you think any other way you are misinformed.
[10:14 PM] Senny: It's not even a difference between GB and US english
[10:14 PM] shadow: But why would you assume that this: You redraw after cleaning and letter at the end. | And this: You redraw after cleaning and lettering at the end. | Are the same thing?
[10:14 PM] Senny: I didn't
[10:14 PM] Senny: xD
[10:14 PM] shadow: But it leads to the same logic by what you're saying.
[10:15 PM] Senny: No... it doesn't :sweat:
[10:15 PM] shadow: So the second wouldn't be confusing?
[10:16 PM] Senny: cleaning and letter = noun and a verb, cleaning and lettering = noun and noun, so they're connected. the idea would be that both of the actions take place
[10:16 PM] Senny: Anyway, this discussion is leading nowhere
[10:17 PM] shadow: Exactly, you're missing my point, they wouldn't happen both because they are in a different form, therefore the second word doesn't apply to the same action, thefore it's not happening at the same time.
[10:17 PM] Senny: Okay...
[10:17 PM] Senny: We shall agree to disagree.
[10:18 PM] Senny: Show this to any proofreader worth their salt and they will agree with me about the fact that that sentence needed a comma, though.
[10:18 PM] shadow: Anyways, whatever I'm not here to proofread anyway, you can assume I'm clueless or something, I'll let it go.