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  43. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 05 05:32:07 <CrazyTux> hello, does installing multiple DEs on Ubuntu slow it down. Would it take more time to boot if there are multiple DEs installed?
  44. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 05 05:32:49 <priporg> CrazyTux, yes
  45. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 05 05:33:07 <CrazyTux> ok. that is what I thought too.
  46. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 05 05:33:44 <CrazyTux> I have Xubuntu 16.10 installed. Over that I have installed Lubuntu, Gnome, Mate DEs
  47. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 05 05:34:13 <CrazyTux> may be because of this it takes more time during boot up.
  48. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 05 05:34:49 <Bashing-om> CrazyTux: 1)No - the only loss s disk space , 2) No . though lighter desktops can run faster in the more limited resources .
  49. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 05 05:36:00 <priporg> CrazyTux, yes slower
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  52. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 05 05:46:18 <CrazyTux> hello, how can I remove Gnome DE installed on Xubuntu 16.10. I want to purge entirely. It should not cause other problems though after removing it
  53. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 05 05:52:35 * CrazyTux has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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  55. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 05 05:56:59 <CrazyTux> hello, I am using Xubuntu 16.10 with Mate DE. It freezes randomly. what could be the problem?
  56. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 05 06:07:16 <dli> CrazyTux, find whether it's hardware. try memtest, for example
  57. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 05 06:09:12 * CrazyTux has quit (Quit: Leaving)
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  59. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:38:01 <CrazyTux> hello. has anybody here used Zorin OS?
  60. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:38:34 <triceratux> CrazyTux: yep its a mint wannabe & is fairly mediocre
  61. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:38:51 <CrazyTux> I am a linux newbie. Trying some distros to find the one that suits my needs.
  62. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:39:11 <triceratux> CrazyTux: dannylee & rasknikoff swear by it
  63. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:39:40 <CrazyTux> guys, which distro in your opinion is the most beginner friendly.
  64. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:40:08 <CrazyTux> Something that effectively replaces Windows
  65. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:40:19 <triceratux> CrazyTux: basically mint
  66. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:40:38 <CrazyTux> something that I as a linux newbie can easily install and forget about it.
  67. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:41:23 <CrazyTux> something that I can hope to get my work done with. And the linux distro itself doesn't become a work for me
  68. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:42:08 <kenrin> There are tons of distros that can do that CrazyTux. The two most popular are ubuntu LTS and Mint
  69. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:42:20 <CrazyTux> ok
  70. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:42:37 <CrazyTux> I am not interested in distro hopping.
  71. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:42:58 <CrazyTux> Neither I want to keep trying different distro.
  72. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:43:08 <pnbeast> CrazyTux, if you want to use Windows, or "replace" it with "free Windows", you're wasting your time trying Linux. Just use Windows.
  73. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:43:40 <CrazyTux> I don't have any technical background. I am just an end user who needs a reliable, secure, stable and user friendly OS.
  74. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:43:41 <triceratux> CrazyTux: you have to be tho. half the distros dont run on half the hardware. & no distro devs check them out on all the hardware. only the msft regime can accomplish that
  75. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:44:16 <CrazyTux> I find Windows all messed up. I don't want Windows.
  76. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:44:56 <CrazyTux> yes. An OS where I use GUI only or mostly GUI to get my work done
  77. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:44:59 <pottsy> Just get one of the Ubuntu flavors, CrazyTux
  78. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:45:38 <CrazyTux> I have used Window. That is why I want to switch to Linux
  79. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:45:41 <jim> CrazyTux, did you already give debian a try?
  80. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:46:49 <CrazyTux> Can't install Debian Stable on my new laptop. Tried to create a live usb. It was not detected duing boot up. I think it is somewhat difficult to install and set up.
  81. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:47:37 <CrazyTux> is Zorin secure and stable enough?
  82. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:47:56 <CrazyTux> compared to Ubuntu LTS?
  83. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:48:19 <jim> CrazyTux, probably, that's the secure boot thing, turn secure boot off in the bios
  84. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:48:25 <pnbeast> CrazyTux, check to see if it's at least 23.4 on the security scale and 205 on the ISS (International Stability Scale).
  85. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:48:28 <CrazyTux> oh. Then, Mint is not secure?
  86. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:49:36 <CrazyTux> that is a very serious issue.
  87. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:50:16 <CrazyTux> how is Xubuntu or even Ubuntu Mate?
  88. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:51:20 <CrazyTux> ok. I won't drag this discussion further. I will use Xubuntu. If needed I will install Mate and other DEs on it.
  89. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:51:31 <reisio> CrazyTux: fairly decent decision you've just made
  90. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:51:41 <CrazyTux> thanks a lot guys. For your inputs and suggestions.
  91. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:52:51 * CrazyTux has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170127014032])
  92. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 04:53:09 <triceratux> CrazyTux: plus theres always q4os
  93. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 11:59:42 * CrazyTux (~WildPengu@117.204.3.224) has joined
  94. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:00:28 <CrazyTux> guys, as a newbie I needed some clarification. Is Linux Mint safe as any other distros like Ubuntu?
  95. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:11:31 <jim> CrazyTux, the company which has been overseeing ubuntu is canonical, inc, and they've made a few business decisions that affected ubuntu and therefore ubuntu users that can only be characterized as untrustworthhy... one such decision was to add a search applet that forwarded all search terms to canonical, who sold them to amazon without the permission of the originators of the searches (aka ubuntu users who used that search widget)
  96. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:13:39 <CrazyTux> ok.
  97. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:13:52 <CrazyTux> Ubuntu is not trustworthy then?
  98. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:18:36 <CrazyTux> which is the trustworthy and beginner friendly distro then?
  99. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:22:00 <jim> CrazyTux, probably debian, maybe fedora, with suse, it has one single file to configure all of its services, an interesting idea
  100. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:22:08 <CrazyTux> ok. which disto to go for then?
  101. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:22:30 <CrazyTux> which has one single file?
  102. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:24:50 <CrazyTux> guys, please suggest a distro for a newbie/
  103. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:30:15 <pingfloyd> CrazyTux: depends on how determined you are
  104. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:30:55 <CrazyTux> determined for what?
  105. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:30:58 <pingfloyd> CrazyTux: you'll probably find it easier to start off with ubuntu though
  106. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:31:24 <pingfloyd> CrazyTux: because a lot of stuff will already be configured in a reasonable fashion for you out of the box.
  107. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:31:35 <jim> CrazyTux, did you say you can't run debian stable for some reason?
  108. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:31:59 <pingfloyd> CrazyTux: as you get pickier about configuration and customizing your linux environment, you'll probably enjoy dists like debian more.
  109. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:32:01 <CrazyTux> yes. I did try Debian.
  110. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:32:33 <CrazyTux> but, for some reason I am not able to get the live usb of that boot.
  111. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:32:37 <jim> CrazyTux, oh, ok... what did you think/
  112. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:32:46 <CrazyTux> it doesn't get detected during boot up.
  113. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:33:18 <CrazyTux> I tried some debian stable based distros also they too have the same problem
  114. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:33:32 <CrazyTux> but, Mint, Fedora, Ubuntu all worked.
  115. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:33:39 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: you are using the debian one with included firmware.
  116. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:33:57 <CrazyTux> Debian stable that is Jessie live usb
  117. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:34:18 <pingfloyd> CrazyTux: which method did you use to create the live usb?
  118. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:34:42 <CrazyTux> I created a live usb of debian Jessie and tried to boot from that. It didn't get detected/
  119. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:34:54 <CrazyTux> I tried all the methods.
  120. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:35:32 <CrazyTux> and with the same methods, Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora didn't have any problem
  121. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:35:43 <CrazyTux> with the same pen drive too.
  122. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:36:36 <CrazyTux> I raised this query in #debian too. They told they don't focus much on the live cd projects.
  123. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:36:59 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ I am referring to ISO from here.
  124. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:37:21 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: of course there are ways of custom patching standard installer.
  125. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:37:26 <CrazyTux> I tried with Unetbootin, Etcher, the image writer app in linux, dd command. All
  126. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:37:55 <CrazyTux> I tried others too.
  127. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:38:30 <CrazyTux> Strangely, none of the other distros like Ubuntu and other have that problem.
  128. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:38:58 <CrazyTux> In the end I gave up.
  129. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:39:12 <CrazyTux> looking for some other distro now.
  130. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:39:24 <hexnewbie> CrazyTux: Any chance you have a 32 bit EFI computer? The Debian ISO (written with dd to the USB device, not the partition on it) should boot from USB sticks, CDs on both UEFI and BIOS
  131. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:40:11 <CrazyTux> yes. I have a 32 bit laptop. old one. I could run live usb of debian and install on that too.
  132. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:40:29 <CrazyTux> It is my new laptop that I am having this problem with.
  133. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:40:52 <CrazyTux> I verify every iso that I download.
  134. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:41:18 <CrazyTux> I liked Debian. It was stable and rock solid.
  135. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:41:33 <hexnewbie> CrazyTux: The new laptop is 64 bit?
  136. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:41:38 <CrazyTux> I disabled the secure boot.
  137. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:41:49 <CrazyTux> yes. It is a 64 bit laptop.
  138. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:42:07 <budRich> CrazyTux: try linuxium, specialized distros for 32bit CPU, i run it, works great.
  139. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:42:44 <hexnewbie> CrazyTux: Does the Debian live CD fail to complete booting, or fail to start booting?
  140. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:42:49 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: 64 bit system 64 bit image?
  141. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:43:01 <CrazyTux> I tried a Debian testing based distro called Sparky. I didn't have this problem with this too.
  142. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:43:17 <jim> CrazyTux, what exactly didn't work with your laptop? what action?
  143. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:43:56 <CrazyTux> as I said, I created a live usb of debian stable and tried to boot from it. It was not detected during boot up.
  144. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:44:03 <budRich> CrazyTux: bootia32.efi <- search for that file, put in boot folder.
  145. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:44:23 <CrazyTux> ok. will try that.
  146. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:44:32 <hexnewbie> CrazyTux: Try either http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso, or if that doesn't boot, try this one https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.7.1+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso
  147. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:44:37 <CrazyTux> but, my new laptop is a 64 bit machine.
  148. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:44:55 <hexnewbie> CrazyTux: Needs to be put to the USB device itself, i.e. sdx, not sdx3
  149. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:45:26 <jim> CrazyTux, which part failed on the debian that you had? which specific action/
  150. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:45:55 <CrazyTux> booting from the debian live usb
  151. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:46:02 <hexnewbie> CrazyTux: Which part of booting!??~!
  152. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:46:50 <CrazyTux> ok
  153. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:46:57 <budRich> CrazyTux: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Linux-on-Ideapad-100s-11IBY/td-p/3367825 <- source of my knowledge
  154. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:47:41 <kishore96> CrazyTux: If your UEFI doesn't detect the USB as a bootable device, and you have Windows 10, you'll need to disable fast boot (or whatever it's called). Someone I know had that problem.
  155. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:48:27 <CrazyTux> I don't have Windows installed on my laptop.
  156. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:49:02 <budRich> CrazyTux: i really think that bootia32.efi file in /boot/ will solve your issue.
  157. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:49:27 <CrazyTux> it doesn't find the image
  158. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:49:47 <hexnewbie> CrazyTux: Then get the netinst image from the link(s) above, those have the UEFI support as pingfloyd pointed out
  159. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:49:53 <CrazyTux> the image itself doesn't get detected.
  160. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:50:07 <kishore96> CrazyTux: As in, can't select it as a boot device?
  161. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:50:27 <CrazyTux> ok. that might work. will try that.
  162. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:50:53 <CrazyTux> kishore96, yes it doesn't select the boot device.
  163. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:52:20 <CrazyTux> No. I first selet the boot priority and select USB as first. Then, I try to boot from the live usb of debian. It doesn't find that. Goes straight to the OS installed on the hdd.
  164. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:52:54 <kishore96> CrazyTux: There should be a way to manually select boot device. What do you see there?
  165. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:52:59 <CrazyTux> my laptop is brand new one.
  166. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:53:05 <jim> CrazyTux, download this file: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.7.1+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-8.7.1-amd64-netinst.iso
  167. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:53:25 <kishore96> CrazyTux: Like press f12 or del or something while booting.
  168. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:53:51 <CrazyTux> kishore96, I will try with the above iso that jim provided the link to.
  169. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:53:57 <CrazyTux> that might work
  170. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:54:34 <CrazyTux> No. No problem with the pendrive or the laptop.
  171. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:55:12 <budRich> CrazyTux: also read that lenovo forum thread i posted, i think you might have the same issue.
  172. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:55:53 <CrazyTux> ok
  173. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:56:52 <pingfloyd> CrazyTux: I would at least test if the netinst installer image boots next
  174. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:57:06 <jim> CrazyTux, when you write that to the pen drive, don't use unetbootin
  175. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:58:14 <CrazyTux> ok. I will try that
  176. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:58:42 <CrazyTux> pingfloyd, I'll try netinst image.
  177. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:58:58 <pingfloyd> CrazyTux: that at least may give better indication the scope of the issue
  178. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 12:59:47 <CrazyTux> ok. thanks guys. for your inputs. I'll come back later.
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  180. ./03/05/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 05 14:16:50 <triceratux> CrazyTux: did you try Porteus 3.2.2 ? its a squashfs based slackware derivative & is exceptionally elegant & robust enough for newbies
  181. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu-discuss.log:mrt 07 19:56:09 <ducasse> lotuspsychje: careful with CrazyTux/CrazyPenguin, he's notorious for wasting our time by asking the same dumb questions over and over and...
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  183. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:49:14 <CrazyTux> hello, of late I am having some serious problem with Xubuntu 16.10 installed on my new laptop.
  184. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:49:42 <viviana_> @CrazyTux what is the problem?
  185. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:49:45 <CrazyTux> At login screen the cursor stops responding
  186. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:50:07 <CrazyTux> sometimes the OS freezes for no obvious reason
  187. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:50:36 <viviana_> CrazyTux: What is the model of your laptop?
  188. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:50:44 <CrazyTux> I raised this query multiple times on this channel. Waiting for the solution
  189. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:50:55 <CrazyTux> Asus X series.
  190. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:51:25 <CrazyTux> it runs on core i3 cpu
  191. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:51:33 <CrazyTux> has four gbs of ram.
  192. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:52:51 <CrazyTux> this problem is not there in Mint which I have installed on the same laptop in multi boot setup.
  193. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:53:00 <CrazyTux> But, I like to use Xubuntu.
  194. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:53:36 <lotuspsychje>CrazyTux: have you tested LTS?
  195. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:54:23 <CrazyTux> I needed some packages that are latest and are available in 16.10
  196. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:54:37 <CrazyTux> hence, I installed it.
  197. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:54:55 <lotuspsychje>CrazyTux: i understand, but does it work on 16.04?
  198. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:55:00 <CrazyTux> does it mean LTS is more stable than this
  199. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:55:24 <CrazyTux> yes. Before this I had LTS installed on the same laptop.
  200. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:56:00 <lotuspsychje>CrazyTux: in most cases LTS is more stable, but that doesnt mean it cant be solved on 16.10
  201. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:56:10 <lotuspsychje>CrazyTux: you might consider a bug?
  202. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:56:12 <CrazyTux> ok
  203. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:56:23 <CrazyTux> what is the solution.
  204. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:57:44 <CrazyTux> suppose I am working and suddently it freezes, all my data will be lost. I won't be able to save anything, because the only way out of that situation is pressing the power button on my laptop.
  205. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:58:05 <scottjl> CrazyTux: have you ever used windows? ;-)
  206. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:58:11 <CrazyTux> that is a very serious issu. That pushed me to use Mint.
  207. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:58:30 <lotuspsychje>CrazyTux: if its working on LTS,why not stick to it?.
  208. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:58:35 <CrazyTux> yes. Was using Windows before.
  209. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:59:03 <CrazyTux> that is another long story.
  210. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 19:59:11 <MediocreN> CrazyTux: the OS freezing
  211. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 20:00:16 <CrazyTux> yes sometimes during video playback, sometimes during browsing. And also during login.
  212. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:mrt 07 20:00:40 <CrazyTux> During LOGIN. What could be the problem
  213. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:08:54 * CrazyTux (~WildPengu@59.99.73.24) has joined
  214. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:09:07 <CrazyTux> hello..
  215. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:09:37 <CrazyTux> is triceratux here now online?
  216. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:10:38 <CrazyTux> ok. I needed some help from him.
  217. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:10:57 <CrazyTux> has anybody here used Sparky Linux?
  218. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:11:50 <CrazyTux> I am trying to install it in a multi boot setup. Getting stuck because of some reason.
  219. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:13:37 <CrazyTux> at the stage where we have to select the partition.
  220. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:14:23 <CrazyTux> On my laptop I have Xubuntu and Mint installed already. I want to install Sparky linux also.
  221. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:17:20 <CrazyTux> Pentode, can u help in that?
  222. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:18:38 <CrazyTux> I will settle on Sparky
  223. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:18:59 <CrazyTux> I find it meets my expectations.
  224. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:19:50 <CrazyTux> ok. But, I needed to retain other distros too.
  225. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:25:27 <CrazyTux> lol. I am not married to any distro.
  226. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:26:47 <CrazyTux> lol.
  227. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 08:27:11 <CrazyTux> ok. I'll come back later.
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  230. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 19:15:42 <CrazyTux> hi tricratux, how r u?
  231. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 19:17:41 <CrazyTux> I have a very old laptop, 11 years old. It runs on Celeron M Single Core 1.5 Ghz cpu and 2 GBs of RAM. Could anybody suggest a suitable distro that I can use to revive that old laptop?
  232. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 19:20:41 <bls> CrazyTux: any distro will work. your more important choice is which desktop software you choose
  233. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 19:22:03 <CrazyTux> I have tried Lubuntu, lxle. Now have installed MX 16. All of them seem to be somewhat sluggish.
  234. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 19:22:21 <CrazyTux> Can't think of other distros at all.
  235. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 19:22:58 <bls> CrazyTux: again, nothing to do with distro. if the "lightweight" desktop are still too slow, you may want to try just running with a WM and not a full DE
  236. ./03/07/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 07 19:23:29 <CrazyTux> would Antix be suitable for it?
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  239. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:17:33 <CrazyTux> has anybody here used LXLE?
  240. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:18:03 <raster> CrazyTux: lxde you mean?
  241. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:18:25 <CrazyTux> no. LXLE.
  242. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:19:04 <CrazyTux> http://www.lxle.net/
  243. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:21:52 <CrazyTux> PCLinuxOS?
  244. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:21:58 <CrazyTux> has anybody used it?
  245. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:22:14 <CrazyTux> ok
  246. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:22:35 <CrazyTux> https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major
  247. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:23:05 <CrazyTux> which disto you guys would suggest? that is really out of the box and suitable for beginners.
  248. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:23:36 <CrazyTux> that I can install on newer hardware and get going.
  249. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:25:06 <Night_Elf> CrazyTux: Mint is something worth a try
  250. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:25:23 <CrazyTux> ok. is it secure?
  251. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:25:35 <Night_Elf> CrazyTux: define "secure" :)
  252. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:25:41 <visceral> CrazyTux: does the beginner want to learn and be technical or not
  253. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:25:50 <CrazyTux> I have read on the internet that it doesn't issue security advisories.
  254. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:26:12 <CrazyTux> that is what I read on distrowatch.com
  255. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:26:22 <visceral> CrazyTux: the thing about Ubuntu based distros like Mint is they don't dilligently patch the non-core parts of their distribution
  256. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:26:35 <visceral> CrazyTux: i.e. Ubuntu doesn't
  257. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:26:48 <Night_Elf> CrazyTux: If that is the concern you have, I guess it is not really grounded. All distros do issue security advisories. Mint is based on Ubuntu, so it gets mostly all what Ubuntu issues.
  258. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:26:50 <CrazyTux> ok. which disto is suggested , then.
  259. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:27:10 <Night_Elf> CrazyTux: you asked for simple for beginners... so..
  260. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:27:20 <Night_Elf> CrazyTux: I personally use Debian
  261. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:27:28 <CrazyTux> ok
  262. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:28:11 <CrazyTux> somebody here advised against going for a fork of a fork.
  263. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:28:59 <Night_Elf> CrazyTux: You could try directly debian actually.
  264. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:29:09 <CrazyTux> ok
  265. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:29:09 <Night_Elf> CrazyTux: do you feel brave? :D
  266. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:29:20 <CrazyTux> let me try.
  267. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:29:50 <CrazyTux> but, I have read that the packages in Debian are not new. or latest
  268. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:30:02 <Night_Elf> CrazyTux: or, SuSE is a good choice as well, but I personally preffer .deb distros, not .rpm
  269. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:30:30 <CrazyTux> why .deb over .rpm?
  270. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:30:36 <Night_Elf> CrazyTux: as visceral said, you can then start with Ubuntu and feel quite comfortable.
  271. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:31:02 <CrazyTux> ok. is .deb better than .rpm?
  272. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:31:02 <Night_Elf> CrazyTux: technical reasons which go kind of also historical in argument.
  273. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:31:21 <visceral> CrazyTux: it won't make a difference for you
  274. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:31:22 <CrazyTux> ok
  275. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:32:50 <CrazyTux> ok. OpenSUSE or Ubuntu then.
  276. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:33:45 <CrazyTux> ok. thanks for your suggestions guys.
  277. ./03/03/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 03 13:35:17 <CrazyTux> ok. Ubuntu then.
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  281. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:31:05 <CrazyTux> what is the non free edition of Debian ?
  282. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:32:22 <CrazyTux> I am a newbie. Could you please explain it in simple words?
  283. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:33:02 <bookworm> CrazyTux: allow software to be pulled from proprietary sources
  284. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:33:21 <CrazyTux> ok.
  285. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:34:05 <CrazyTux> I could not boot from Debian Stable live usb on my new laptop. Will I be able to do that with non free edition of Debian?
  286. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:34:55 <bookworm> CrazyTux: there's no "non free version" of Debian, just Debian
  287. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:35:23 <CrazyTux> debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-mate-desktop+nonfree.iso
  288. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:35:36 <CrazyTux> I downloaded this iso from debian.org
  289. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:35:38 <jim> CrazyTux, you might mean the installer with non-free firmware
  290. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:35:48 <bookworm> CrazyTux: still Debian but with the non free *repo* enabled
  291. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:35:53 <CrazyTux> yes. that's what I meant.
  292. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:35:59 <bookworm> CrazyTux: read that https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
  293. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:35:59 <CrazyTux> ok
  294. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:36:13 <CrazyTux> ok
  295. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:37:37 <CrazyTux> ok
  296. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:37:52 <jim> CrazyTux, maybe... I usually suggest that installer for people who have wireless nics
  297. ./03/01/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 01 08:38:06 <CrazyTux> ok
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  300. ./03/02/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 02 05:58:24 <CrazyTux> hello, anybody here has heard of or used AntiX?
  301. ./03/02/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 02 05:59:49 <CrazyTux> hello..
  302. ./03/02/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 02 06:01:16 <Old_Dog> CrazyTux: I tried AntiX was not very impressed.
  303. ./03/02/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 02 06:02:26 <CrazyTux> Old_Dog, I am looking for a very lightweight distro for my old laptop which is 11 years old. I saw AntiX and thought it could be suitable.
  304. ./03/02/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 02 06:03:39 <Old_Dog> CrazyTux: You may find it suitable. I didn't. I use LinuxMint Mate on older machines. Works fine for me.
  305. ./03/02/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 02 06:04:11 <CrazyTux> ok.
  306. ./03/02/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 02 06:15:19 <CrazyTux> any suggestion for a very lightweight linux distro for a very old machine?
  307. ./03/02/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 02 06:16:02 <[R]> CrazyTux: distrowatch has a list of major dists
  308. ./03/02/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 02 06:17:51 <CrazyTux> ok
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  315. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:37:22 <CrazyTux> is Debian testing or a distro based on it usable by linux beginners?
  316. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:38:51 <triceratux> CrazyTux: yes if you run sparky or parrotsec
  317. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:39:05 <CrazyTux> ok. Wanted to try Sparky linux which is a debian testing based distro
  318. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:39:22 <CrazyTux> ok
  319. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:40:05 <CrazyTux> between MX Linux and Sparky which one is recommended?
  320. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:40:19 <CrazyTux> has anyone used these distros?
  321. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:41:04 <CrazyTux> ok
  322. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:41:24 <triceratux> CrazyTux: on line 74 of my exception report it shows sparky & parrotsec in context. theyre based on stretch which is an octopus. its also debian testing http://pastebin.centos.org/68916/
  323. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:42:47 <CrazyTux> I am too new to make any sense out of that data. It is all greek to me.
  324. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:42:49 <triceratux> CrazyTux: i have used both sparky & mxLinux extensively. noone should approach debian testing directly. it is work in progress & an active project. one should allow a lab to extract a working snapshot & that is what sparky & mxLinux have done
  325. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:43:26 <CrazyTux> ok. which one between those two would you suggest?
  326. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:44:36 <triceratux> CrazyTux: that said, the sparky project has come a long way since they were a clueless conky distro. they have a comprehensive suite of fully functional distro images with the principal desktops installed correctly. they run a competent server infrastructure. & they avoid gnome3 like the plague. i can unhesitatingly recommend the product of their engineering expertise
  327. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:44:47 <triceratux> CrazyTux: mxLinux is a mepis thing
  328. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:45:12 <CrazyTux> yeah. I needed that kind of guidance.
  329. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:45:26 <CrazyTux> shall I go for Sparky then?
  330. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:45:57 <triceratux> CrazyTux: do you know anything about russian hackers like warrunkin woodfordovich ?
  331. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:46:10 <CrazyTux> and moreover, I doesn't have any problem in booting from an live usb .
  332. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:46:14 <CrazyTux> Don't know.
  333. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:46:19 <CrazyTux> new to Linux.
  334. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:46:50 <triceratux> CrazyTux: absolutely. sparky xfce is highly robust & as good for beginners as xubuntu
  335. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:47:47 <CrazyTux> Sparky can boot from a live usb on my new 64 bit laptop. I have trouble booting from Debian stable or stable based distro like MX notwithstanding the fact that MX also is a good distro.
  336. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:48:26 <CrazyTux> I have tried those live usbs this week.
  337. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:50:12 <CrazyTux> I needed to be sure that there won't be any major problems if I choose to try Sparky. I needed some inputs from someone who is a Linux expert and has some knowledge about this distro.
  338. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:50:16 <triceratux> CrazyTux: personally i prefer mxLinux16 to sparky xfce 4.5.2 but i have my own nefarious criteria. mxLinux is debian stable instead of testing, is systemd free, & is packaged in a highly adroit way. but its done by a couple of shadowy post-mepis hackers & has a gotcha or two to this day, but in fact no showstoppers whatsoever
  339. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:50:38 <CrazyTux> triceratux, thank you. will try sparky
  340. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:53:03 <triceratux> CrazyTux: yer absolutely a trooper & youre going about it the right way. sparky is a good fit for anyone doing linux the way you are. i thank you for your patience
  341. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:55:16 <CrazyTux> I don't have any technical expertise of prior knowledge about Linux or its various distro. That's why I come here to seek inputs/
  342. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:58:00 <CrazyTux> Anyway, I'll go for Sparky. That way I can get newer packages or newer versions of those packages. As compared to Debian Stable.
  343. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 14:59:03 <CrazyTux> I needed some apps with newer versions.
  344. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 15:03:06 <CrazyTux> guys, I want to get my work done with Linux OS. OS itself shouldn't become a work for me.
  345. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 15:04:29 <wigums> well hate to tell ya CrazyTux but linux of whatever name distro needs knowledge... you aint gonna get a distro that just points and clicks and you dont have to do anything.... just doesnt work like that
  346. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 15:10:34 <CrazyTux> ok. Finally guys, which distro would you suggest between MX and Sparky?
  347. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 15:11:36 <triceratux> CrazyTux: theyre both top of the line. use the one that works. theyre both better than distros that dont work, & theres plenty of examples of the latter that you dont want to look at
  348. ./03/06/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:mrt 06 15:11:57 <CrazyTux> ok
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  351. ./01/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 27 20:35:48 <CrazyTux> how can we get Debian stable work on new laptops with latest hardware resources?
  352. ./01/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 27 20:36:52 <greycat> CrazyTux: you can try it. You can try it with a backported kernel.
  353. ./01/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 27 20:37:08 <CrazyTux> ok
  354. ./01/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 27 20:37:16 <somiaj> CrazyTux: debian provides newer kernel and firmware (and some xorg drivers) for newer hardware. But without more info on the hardware might be hard to say if it works.
  355. ./01/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 27 20:37:47 <somiaj> CrazyTux: there are some cavets, and one is you have to be able to install on the 3.16 kernel, and then upgrade to the newer kernel, so if the hardware cannot run/boot on 3.16 it becomes a far more difficult problem.
  356. ./01/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 27 20:38:02 <CrazyTux> ok. I have an Asus laptop. X540L model.
  357. ./01/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 27 20:38:30 <somiaj> CrazyTux: usually th einstall is okay, it is video and network drivers that tend to need the newer kernel/firmware
  358. ./01/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 27 20:38:36 <CrazyTux> It has 4 gbs of RAM and runs on i3 2.0 Ghz cpu.
  359. ./01/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 27 20:38:57 <greycat> CrazyTux: video and wifi/ethernet chipsets are usually the tricky parts
  360. ./01/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 27 20:39:08 <CrazyTux> ok
  361. ./01/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 27 20:39:53 <CrazyTux> I have installed Debian stable on my old 32 bit laptop. I really liked the stability of Debian.
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  364. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 25 18:24:47 <CrazyTux> which DE among Mate and Xfce one has more features that could make the OS more user friendly to a beginner?
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  367. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:23:00 <CrazyTux> how to install Debian Jessie on my new laptop?
  368. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:24:11 <CrazyTux> ok. Can I do the entire installation offline?
  369. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:29:24 <CrazyTux> I want to download the iso file and install offline entirely.
  370. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:37:22 <CrazyTux> hello, is there any problem with the live images of Debian Jessie 8.7.1?
  371. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:37:58 <CrazyTux> I was not able to boot from the live usb of Debian Jessie.
  372. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:41:31 <CrazyTux> I have an old laptop of 32 bits system. I have tried Debian Jessie Live on that and also installed it on hdd once.
  373. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:41:54 <CrazyTux> Now I want to try Debian Jessie the latest version on my new laptop.
  374. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:42:05 <CrazyTux> I want to try live usb
  375. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:43:00 <CrazyTux> yesterday, I downloaded and created a live usb of Debian Jessie Cinnamon. It was not detected during bootup.
  376. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:43:53 <CrazyTux> plese provide me the correct link for live images of Debian Jessie.
  377. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:44:40 <jelly> CrazyTux: how did you write/burn the image down and to what kind of medium?
  378. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:45:03 <jelly> CrazyTux: live images for jessie do not support uefi properly, I think
  379. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:45:07 <CrazyTux> I used cp command. I used DD also.
  380. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:45:41 <jelly> CrazyTux: is your machine capable of legacy, bios booting?
  381. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:45:43 <CrazyTux> jelly, then, what is the solution?
  382. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:45:54 <towo`> CrazyTux, don't us debian live
  383. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:46:02 <CrazyTux> yes. I suppose.
  384. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:46:02 <towo`> CrazyTux, use the real install media
  385. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:46:03 <jelly> CrazyTux: if you want to try jessie live, switch to bios
  386. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:46:12 <jelly> CrazyTux: or try stretch instead
  387. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:46:54 <CrazyTux> Jessly, can you suggest any Debian testing based distro that works out of the box?
  388. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:47:03 <CrazyTux> jelly..
  389. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:47:24 <CrazyTux> what is Stretch by the way?
  390. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:47:26 <jelly> CrazyTux: I don't use derivatives really
  391. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:50:26 <CrazyTux> where can I find Debian Stretch? Please direct me to that link.
  392. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:50:44 <CrazyTux> I am new to Linux.
  393. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:51:04 <SynrG> CrazyTux: wait until it is released.
  394. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:51:24 <CrazyTux> is it a stable version?
  395. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:51:30 <SynrG> CrazyTux: no, it is not.
  396. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:54:59 <CrazyTux> has anyone here heard or used Sparky Linux?
  397. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 19:59:11 <CrazyTux> what kind of inconveniences could be expected in case of a beginner, in using Debian Testing?
  398. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:00:13 <greycat> CrazyTux: start with stable, please.
  399. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:00:27 <Vizva> <CrazyTux> something dont work and you cannot find on docs
  400. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:00:53 <CrazyTux> greycat, I agree. But, I am not able to create a live usb of Stable that works.
  401. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:01:45 <Vizva> <CrazyTux> you can try Systemback
  402. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:02:13 <CrazyTux> why is that? Other distros provide Live images and they work.
  403. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:03:02 <CrazyTux> ok. I'll wait till Stretch is released.
  404. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:03:17 <CrazyTux> thank you guys for your help.
  405. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:04:30 <SynrG> CrazyTux: the increase in popularity of EFI happened at a time when there was a decrease in manpower to do the work for the live images. so ... fell between the cracks.
  406. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:04:43 <SynrG> CrazyTux: next release it will be better.
  407. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:04:53 <CrazyTux> ok
  408. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:05:08 <CrazyTux> Will try Stretch when it is released.
  409. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:05:29 <CrazyTux> which one?
  410. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:05:59 <SynrG> CrazyTux: e.g. install VirtualBox, boot the live image in that
  411. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:06:07 <CrazyTux> ok
  412. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:06:11 <SynrG> CrazyTux: it won't test how it will run on your new laptop directly, however.
  413. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:06:18 <CrazyTux> Where can I find Stretch?
  414. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:07:11 <CrazyTux> I want to try Stretch. In Virtual Box.
  415. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:09:26 <Vizva> <CrazyTux> you nevver tried jessy?
  416. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:09:31 <CrazyTux> ok. Guys, thanks for your help. Will download Jessie and try. Leaving now. Bye. will come back later.
  417. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:10:24 <CrazyTux> Vizva, I tried ..actually installed Jessie
  418. ./01/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 25 20:10:44 <CrazyTux> 32 bit edition on my old laptop.
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  421. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:01:20 <CrazyTux> how to check on Ubuntu whether my laptop has BIOS or UEFI?
  422. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:02:52 <OerHeks> CrazyTux, open browser, surf to your vendor, or check to see if /sys/firmware/efi exists. It does not appear if you booted using traditional BIOS.
  423. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:02:54 <EriC^^> CrazyTux: dmidecode
  424. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:03:25 <CrazyTux> any commond to know that?
  425. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:03:36 <EriC^^> CrazyTux: sudo dmidecode | grep UEFI
  426. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:04:09 <tomreyn> CrazyTux: you would need to check your bios / uefi setup (right after powering up the computer) to check what is available- on a running ubuntu, to tell wwhat is currently being used, run: [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
  427. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:04:44 <CrazyTux> in the terminal, it showed that UEFI is supported.
  428. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:05:03 <CrazyTux> thanks a lot guys.
  429. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:06:29 <EriC^^> CrazyTux: that only says that it has uefi, not that ubuntu in installed in uefi, i have no idea what your end goal is so i thought i should point that out
  430. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:06:59 <EriC^^> CrazyTux: if you want to see if ubuntu is installed in uefi mode, use tomreyn 's command
  431. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:07:51 <CrazyTux> It looks like there is some problem with Xubuntu as far as wifi is concerned. I can't switch between two wireless networks easily, sometimes.
  432. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:09:20 <CrazyTux> Does Mate have good Wifi support?
  433. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:11:14 <neenee> CrazyTux: I think any WM Does
  434. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:11:28 <CrazyTux> I have Xubuntu installed and also GNOME DE on it. Switching between Wifi networks is easy in GNOME, but, I can't get Xubuntu detect the other network easily.
  435. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 20 15:13:05 <CrazyTux> But, I find using GNOME a little difficult as compared to Xubuntu.
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  438. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:48:11 <CrazyTux> how different is Debian with Cinnamon than Linux Mint Debian Edition?
  439. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:48:34 <babilen> CrazyTux: About 0.74
  440. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:48:58 <CrazyTux> babilen, what?
  441. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:49:02 <teraflops> CrazyTux: 9
  442. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:49:22 <CrazyTux> teraflops, I didn't get you.
  443. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:49:22 <abrotman> CrazyTux: we don't do comparisons
  444. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:49:54 <babilen> CrazyTux: It's impossible to answer that question. How do you measure difference? Why don't you try both and make up your own mind?
  445. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:50:02 <CrazyTux> nic__, ok.
  446. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:50:14 <teraflops> CrazyTux: are you aware that almost all the questions you ask here are unrelated to the topic?
  447. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:50:25 <CrazyTux> ok.
  448. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:50:28 <abrotman> perhaps we should ask the ops to ban CrazyTux ?
  449. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:50:49 <nic__> CrazyTux, the best place to ask is #linuxmint on spotchat
  450. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:51:09 <CrazyTux> as a newbie to Linux, I am just trying to get some info about different distros.
  451. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:51:25 <abrotman> CrazyTux: right, which is why I pointed you at ##linux a few days ago
  452. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:52:04 <CrazyTux> the main thing I wanted to ask is the stability and security of Mint Debian Edition vis a vis Debian.
  453. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:53:34 <abrotman> CrazyTux: try them both, let us know
  454. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:54:37 <CrazyTux> and one more question, if I intend to install Debian alongside Windows 10 in a dual boot setup, which OS should I install first?
  455. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:55:06 <CrazyTux> teraflops, why?
  456. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:55:35 <teraflops> CrazyTux: you have bios/mbr or uefi?
  457. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:55:36 <CrazyTux> I already have Debian installed on my laptop. Now intend to install Windows.
  458. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 14:56:17 <CrazyTux> I bought a laptop just a few days back.
  459. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 15:02:22 <CrazyTux> ok. I never did something like that. So, new to that too.
  460. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 15:05:30 <CrazyTux> my laptop supports UEFI.
  461. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 15:07:49 <jelly> CrazyTux: windows will require uefi, so if you don't already use the uefi partition and boot setup, you'll have additional steps to recover bootability of linux
  462. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 15:08:44 <CrazyTux> ok. Will study all that. Looks somewhat complicated. I'll install Windows in Virtual Box for now.
  463. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 15:08:56 <CrazyTux> Thanks a lot guys, for help.
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  465. ./01/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:jan 20 15:16:06 <nic__> CrazyTux, microsoft has preinstalled VMs available from their website if that can help
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  467. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:01:24 <CrazyTux> hello, needed some help.
  468. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:02:39 <CrazyTux> I wanted to install Sparky Linux which is a debian testing based distro in Virtual Box. I am using Xubuntu 16.04.1 now. My laptop has 4 gb RAM.
  469. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:03:06 <CrazyTux> How much RAM need to be allocated to the OS in Virtual Box?
  470. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:03:33 <pavlos> CrazyTux, use 1GB
  471. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:03:35 <ikonia> CrazyTux: ask the sparky linux guys
  472. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:03:44 <ikonia> CrazyTux: they will know the requirements for their OS
  473. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:04:02 <CrazyTux> ikonia, they don't have any channel like this.
  474. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:04:45 <timyp> mem requirements CrazyTux and there is also a chatroom for Xubuntu #xubuntu
  475. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:05:31 <CrazyTux> I have been to the chatrooms of Xubuntu and Lubuntu. They are not as active as this.
  476. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:05:52 <pavlos> CrazyTux, https://sparkylinux.org/wiki/doku.php/minimum_system_requirements
  477. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:06:48 <CrazyTux> guys, thanks a lot. This is the reason I installed an Ubuntu based distro. Good community support.
  478. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:17:48 <CrazyTux> I am running a live image of Sparky Linux inside the Virtual Box on Xubuntu. Can I access the file saved on the HDD by Xubuntu?
  479. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:18:13 <CrazyTux> while running live image of Sparky Linux inside the Virtual Box?
  480. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:19:33 <ikonia> CrazyTux: yup, you need a usb passthrough within virtual box
  481. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:20:38 <CrazyTux> ikonia, what is that? usb passthrough?
  482. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:20:52 <CrazyTux> sorry if I sounded silly.
  483. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:21:47 <ikonia> CrazyTux: it present the usb port on your system to the guest OS
  484. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:22:33 <CrazyTux> ikonia, I am using the image file of Sparky which is on the HDD.
  485. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:22:44 <pavlos> CrazyTux, you can enable shared folders and pass files from guest <-> host
  486. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:22:57 <CrazyTux> the pdf files I want to access on Sparky are also on the HDD.
  487. ./01/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 13 18:23:17 <CrazyTux> ok
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  489. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:39:50 * TuxCrazy is now known as CrazyTux
  490. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:43:31 <CrazyTux> Does Android OS work in Xubuntu through virtualization?
  491. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:44:34 <nedstark> CrazyTux, you can use virtualbox with android x86
  492. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:46:03 <CrazyTux> nedstark, I tried it yesterday on Xubuntu installed on my laptop. The Android OS inside the virtual box was unresponsive. But, another distro Sparky Linux didn't have any problem in running in Virtual Box.
  493. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:46:40 <Phanes> CrazyTux, the descriptors you are using do not actually mean anything
  494. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:47:05 <Phanes> CrazyTux, try describing the process, and at each point describe what you expected, and what you saw instead
  495. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:47:47 <CrazyTux> Phanes, the mouse coursor didn't move at all on Android OS installed inside the Virtual Box.
  496. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:48:25 <CrazyTux> Phanes, it was for x86.
  497. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:48:57 <CrazyTux> Phanes, yes. It was too sluggish to be called as responsive.
  498. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:50:41 <CrazyTux> Phanes, yes. Too sluggish to even move the cursor to the appropriate place and change the language in the initial screen.
  499. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:51:49 <CrazyTux> Phanes, I tried another distro, a Debian based distro Sparky Linux. I didn't have any problem with it.
  500. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:52:10 <Phanes> CrazyTux, understood. ill come back when you're answering the needed questions asked of you
  501. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:52:17 <CrazyTux> The settings for both Android and Sparky were the same.
  502. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:53:49 <CrazyTux> My new laptop supports virtualization and it was enabled in the bios settings.
  503. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:55:38 <CrazyTux> don't know. I am totally new to such things. I tried this Virtual Box for the first time yesterday.
  504. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:56:46 <CrazyTux> Phanes, do Android and Sparky Linux need different settings enabled?
  505. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:57:05 <Phanes> CrazyTux, let me know when you'll ask what's asked of you answer what i actually asked.
  506. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:57:38 <CrazyTux> Phanes, I'll do one thing. I'll come back when I am on my new laptop. Now I'm using my old laptop.
  507. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:57:48 <Phanes> CrazyTux, the settings you checked were enabled, was it called F_4-VTXLR?
  508. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 06:57:50 <CrazyTux> thanks for the help.
  509. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 07:01:31 <CrazyTux> I tried with both Sparky and Android in Virtual Box with the same settings. Sparky worked but Android didn't.
  510. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 07:01:43 <CrazyTux> Will come back later, with all the details.
  511. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 07:01:53 <Phanes> CrazyTux, i will no longer help you until you are actually checking things
  512. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 07:02:29 <CrazyTux> Phanes, really sorry. My new laptop is not accessible now. Will come back later.
  513. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 07:02:48 <Phanes> CrazyTux, no worries, just requires boots on ground to fix things on ground
  514. ./01/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 14 07:03:32 <CrazyTux> anyway, thanks for the help. See you later.
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  519. ./01/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 19 15:08:01 <CrazyTux> hi, is there any package for Ubuntu for sharing files between PC and mobile phones or tablets, like shareit?
  520. ./01/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:jan 19 15:08:55 <CrazyTux> I have Xubuntu installed on my laptop and have an android based tablet.
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  546. ./02/08/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 08 18:58:03 <CrazyTux> where can I find web cam settings in Xubuntu?
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  551. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 05:37:18 <CrazyTux> Can Ubuntu be installed without a swap partition?
  552. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 05:37:40 <lotuspsychje>!swap | CrazyTux
  553. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 05:37:40 <ubottu> CrazyTux: swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
  554. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 05:38:15 <lotuspsychje>CrazyTux: can you tell us why you need that?
  555. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 05:38:27 <CrazyTux> I have a laptop which has 4GBs of RAM.
  556. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 05:38:36 <CrazyTux> No. I didn't try.
  557. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 05:44:43 <CrazyTux> I saw this article on the web. https://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/do-we-really-need-swap-modern-systems
  558. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 05:48:42 <lotuspsychje>CrazyTux: you are the boss of your machine, you can choose how much swap you want yourself
  559. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 06:03:52 <CrazyTux> ok
  560. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 06:08:39 <CrazyTux> does installing more DE on Ubuntu slow it down?
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  563. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 14:23:54 <CrazyTux> hello, I am not able to share folders in Virtual Box. What can I do?
  564. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 14:25:50 <raub> CrazyTux: what did you do to share folders?
  565. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 14:25:56 <CrazyTux> yes. I have installed.
  566. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 14:26:45 <CrazyTux> Unable to insert the virtual optical disk /home/User/.config/VirtualBox/VBoxGuestAdditions_5.1.6.iso into the machine Sparky Linux.Would you like to try to force insertion of this disk?
  567. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 14:27:17 <CrazyTux> this is the message I am getting when I try to insert Guest Additions.
  568. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 14:27:48 <CrazyTux> there are only two options available Cancel and Force Unmount.
  569. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 14:29:42 <CrazyTux> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24078115/
  570. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 27 14:29:53 <CrazyTux> this is the detailed error message.
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  577. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 08:55:36 <CrazyTux> hello..
  578. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 08:56:20 <CrazyTux> is Mint better than Ubuntu?
  579. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 08:56:46 <CrazyTux> or the other way round.
  580. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:07:50 <CrazyTux> how can I share the same swap partition among multiple distros in a multi boot setup?
  581. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:07:59 <eviladmin> CrazyTux: as long as you never suspend
  582. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:08:09 <eviladmin> CrazyTux: not that you need swap
  583. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:08:28 <eviladmin> CrazyTux: and NEVER put swap on a usb stick, unless you want the usb stick to die an early death
  584. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:08:29 <CrazyTux> I have Ubuntu and Mint installed on my laptop and I want to install Fedora/Korora on it now.
  585. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:09:02 <CrazyTux> ok
  586. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:10:28 <bocaneri> CrazyTux, other than that, there's really nothing stopping you from installing as many distros as you like.
  587. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:13:33 <llamapixel> CrazyTux: save yourself a lot of pain and make a series of V.M’s
  588. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:15:27 <CrazyTux> will the performance be the same in VMs as in multiboot environment?
  589. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:32:34 <CrazyTux> eviladmin, what is vt-d?
  590. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:33:27 <CrazyTux> that's a great option. Instead of multiple boot setup using VMs could save a lot of time.
  591. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:34:48 <peetaur2> CrazyTux: use it for pci passthrough.... pop a video card in there, pass it to a vm, and play games :)
  592. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:35:44 <CrazyTux> I have Virtual Box installed on my laptop.
  593. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:36:21 <CrazyTux> Need to learn how to use the Virtual Box.
  594. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:36:29 <CrazyTux> Too new to linux.
  595. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:37:14 <eviladmin> CrazyTux: wikipedia...
  596. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:37:36 <CrazyTux> ok
  597. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:44:12 <CrazyTux> Does Virtual Box serve only testing purpose or we can do a permanent install of an OS in it for regular use.
  598. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:45:36 <MetaNova> CrazyTux: depends on the user, and how well they can virtualize an environment to their liking
  599. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:50:04 <CrazyTux> ok. I'll use it for my everyday use.
  600. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:50:35 <CrazyTux> ok
  601. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:51:43 <bocaneri> CrazyTux, the cool thing about VBox is that I can install some random distro just out of curiosity, use it for a few minutes, or hours, or whatever, and when I've decided I've had enough of it, it's gone, and there's no having to re-install crap on the metal.
  602. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:52:52 <CrazyTux> that's great. I needed Windows also for some softwares. I'll install it in Virtual Box now.
  603. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:53:34 <bocaneri> CrazyTux, one note: running an OS in a VM for the purposes of gaming or suchlike isn't usually a very good.
  604. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 09:54:31 <CrazyTux> I don't play games at all. I needed it for office use.
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  607. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 18:57:36 <CrazyTux> hello.. has anybody here heard of or used Sparky Linux?
  608. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 18:58:35 <triceratux> CrazyTux: yep. its peachy. i am in a position to unhesitatingly recommend it
  609. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 18:58:36 <CrazyTux> it is a Debian testing based distro.
  610. ./02/27/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 27 18:58:51 <CrazyTux> great.
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  613. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:17:14 <CrazyTux> hello, I'm a linux newbie here.
  614. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:17:43 <aBound> CrazyTux: Hello there and welcome. :)
  615. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:17:59 <CrazyTux> aBound, thank you.
  616. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:18:03 <CrazyTux> how are you?
  617. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:18:26 <CrazyTux> Could anybody suggest a suitable linux distro for me?
  618. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:18:30 <CrazyTux> jim, hi.
  619. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:18:37 <[R]> CrazyTux: distrowatch has a list of major dists
  620. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:18:58 <lilred> CrazyTux: nobody ever regretted starting with Ubuntu
  621. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:19:00 <CrazyTux> I see Mint at the top of the list. I think it it the most popular distro.
  622. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:19:09 <triceratux> CrazyTux: do you have criteria ? http://www.tuxradar.com/content/tuxradar-distro-picker-0
  623. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:19:11 <[R]> CrazyTux: if thats what you want... go for it
  624. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:19:18 <CrazyTux> Ubuntu is also good, I feel.
  625. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:19:58 <CrazyTux> But, I have heard somebody saying that Mint is not secure. It had some security issues. Is that true?
  626. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:20:01 <apn> CrazyTux: distrowatch has a tool that will help you find a distribution for yourself: http://distrowatch.com/search.php
  627. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:20:17 <CrazyTux> apn, great.
  628. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:20:34 <[R]> CrazyTux: well their website got hacked, multiple times
  629. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:20:39 <jim> CrazyTux, mint is a derivative of a derivative of debian
  630. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:21:27 <lilred> CrazyTux: in the end it doesn't matter too much, as long as you pick one that's a) well-maintained and b) newbie-friendly. Ubuntu would be my first pick, but as far as I know Mint and Fedora would also be totally decent.
  631. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:22:22 <aBound> CrazyTux: If you do use Ubuntu it's ideal to stick to LTS releases. As a new Linux user you may get confused understanding the differences between LTS and Non-LTS editions.
  632. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:22:25 <triceratux> CrazyTux: the key thing for n00bs is for the distro to have a large & active community with a well defined webpresence. that way config issues & bugs are fleshed out on the forums
  633. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:22:29 <lilred> CrazyTux: among the other big names, I would stay clear of Slackware, Gentoo, and Arch Linux. There is also Debian, but I've only had problems when trying to use it on a desktop or a laptop.
  634. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:24:21 <CrazyTux> So, the suitable options for newbies are Ubuntu, Mint and Fedora?
  635. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:24:34 <ananke> CrazyTux: opensuse may be an option
  636. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:24:41 <CrazyTux> ok.
  637. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:25:04 <aBound> CrazyTux: Fedora is a bleeding edge distro. It's support only last about 9 months if I remember correctly.
  638. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:25:23 <jim> CrazyTux, maybe debian too, since it's essentially the grandpappy
  639. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:25:26 <CrazyTux> If Mint website has been hacked multiple times, it is a very serious thing.
  640. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:26:07 <CrazyTux> is deb better than rpm?
  641. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:26:27 <[R]> CrazyTux: thats like asking if pepsi is better tahn coke
  642. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:26:40 <CrazyTux> Have people at Mint done anything to make Mint more secure?
  643. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:28:17 <CrazyTux> which is more stable and secure deb, rpm or others?
  644. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:28:26 <ananke> CrazyTux: those two things are unrelated
  645. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:28:37 <CrazyTux> I am a newbie, my questions may seem silly.
  646. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:28:45 <CrazyTux> ok.
  647. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:28:50 <viscera> CrazyTux: they both work.
  648. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:28:55 <aBound> CrazyTux: Ask away. :P
  649. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:28:57 <ananke> CrazyTux: package format is more of a religious decision than anything else
  650. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:29:20 <skdjm> CrazyTux: deb is more stable due to better installation and dependency handling
  651. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:29:24 <viscera> CrazyTux: deb is arguably better documented but more complex
  652. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:29:34 <viscera> CrazyTux: i personally prefer rpm
  653. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:30:20 <CrazyTux> I want a distro that I can install and forget about it. I don't want to tinker with the distro. Instead, I want to get my work done by using it.
  654. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:30:29 <viscera> CrazyTux: define "work"
  655. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:30:35 <CrazyTux> any such distro suggested?
  656. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:30:37 <[R]> CrazyTux: any major dist will be fine
  657. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:30:43 <skdjm> CrazyTux: Ubuntu
  658. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:30:48 <aBound> CrazyTux: Ubuntu.
  659. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:30:51 <CrazyTux> I want it for my office work.
  660. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:31:16 <bls> CrazyTux: you're wasting your time trying to get a concensus. you're going to have to make a decision on your own
  661. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:31:20 <jim> CrazyTux, for work, run what works the best for you
  662. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:31:35 <CrazyTux> ok. I'll go with Ubuntu.
  663. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:32:19 <aBound> CrazyTux: You could also test the distro of your choice using a virtual machine.
  664. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:32:31 <CrazyTux> ok.
  665. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:32:55 <viscera> CrazyTux: i personally find Arch Linux to be less work overall, but i'm weird like that
  666. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:33:15 <CrazyTux> thanks a lot, guys. I'll come back if I need any help.
  667. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:33:27 <CrazyTux> thanks a lot for your inputs.
  668. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:34:08 <triceratux> CrazyTux: xubuntu 16.04.2 ftw
  669. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:34:21 <viscera> CrazyTux: the other nice thing about rpm over deb is that rpm lets you rollback transactions
  670. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:34:38 <CrazyTux> ok.
  671. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:35:22 <CrazyTux> I'll come back later, bye.
  672. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:35:28 <lilred> CrazyTux: don't be afraid to ask your questions on AskUbuntu, it's fantastic
  673. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:35:32 <aBound> Enjoy CrazyTux.
  674. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 05:35:42 <CrazyTux> ok. thanks a lot, guys.
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  677. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:17:31 <CrazyTux> hello, has anybody here used Manjaro?
  678. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:17:41 <[R]> CrazyTux: sure... if they want to use crap
  679. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:17:51 <CrazyTux> I saw it on distrowatch.com.
  680. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:18:12 <CrazyTux> why? is it not a good disto?
  681. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:18:45 <CrazyTux> ok
  682. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:19:40 <CrazyTux> But, it says it is based on Arch. And is more new user friendly than Arch.
  683. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:23:44 * CrazyTux has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
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  685. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:25:01 <CrazyTux> hello..
  686. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:25:13 <justsomeguy> Ohai CrazyTux
  687. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:25:33 <CrazyTux> there was some interruption.
  688. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:25:40 <CrazyTux> I was asking about Manjaro.
  689. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:25:53 <CrazyTux> is it not a good distro?
  690. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:26:18 <CrazyTux> have you used it?
  691. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:26:36 <CrazyTux> I am new to linux. Trying the distros.
  692. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:26:51 <CrazyTux> why?
  693. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:27:33 <CrazyTux> It says it is based on Arch and has beginners as well as advanced users as its target users.
  694. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:27:45 <CrazyTux> ok.
  695. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:28:06 <CrazyTux> should I try Arch also, then?
  696. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:28:29 <CrazyTux> I'll use Ubuntu as my primary OS.
  697. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:28:52 <justsomeguy> CrazyTux: You may like Korora, which is based off of fedora linux.
  698. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:29:13 <CrazyTux> yeah. I have downloaded the iso of Korora also.
  699. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:29:20 <CrazyTux> I liked that.
  700. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:30:23 <CrazyTux> But, Korora comes pre packaged with most of the packages I need. With Fedora, I'll have to install them manually.
  701. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:30:37 <CrazyTux> I find Korora very impressive.
  702. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:31:21 <CrazyTux> I think Korora is Fedora made easy. Am I right?
  703. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:32:41 <CrazyTux> I have installed Ubuntu Mate on my laptop.
  704. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:33:45 <CrazyTux> Actually it is Xubuntu. Mate DE on it.
  705. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:33:52 <oiaohm> justsomeguy: and CrazyTux where is Korora equal to this https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/
  706. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:35:09 <CrazyTux> oiaohm, what is that in that link?
  707. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:35:24 <CrazyTux> what is its use?
  708. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:36:10 <CrazyTux> You mean Debian is a most secure distro?
  709. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:37:07 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: in fedora and most of the major distribution there are ways to list what packages are currently security flawed.
  710. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:37:17 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: and where those are in the patching process.
  711. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:37:23 <CrazyTux> ok
  712. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:37:50 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: once you start getting into the forks the means to get that information starts disappaering.
  713. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:38:03 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: since I use debian I had the debian link and method at hand.
  714. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:38:30 <CrazyTux> oiaohm, you are right. That's a major factor while considering a distro.
  715. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:38:51 <CrazyTux> so which distro would you recommend for me?
  716. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:40:32 <jim> CrazyTux, linux is about choice, about trial and error... the dist you run should be the one you like, the one that runs best for you
  717. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:41:07 <CrazyTux> yeah. I agree.
  718. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:44:39 <CrazyTux> I am a linux newbie. Just a few months old in Linux.
  719. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:46:25 <CrazyTux> for home and office use.
  720. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:47:49 <CrazyTux> I had an old laptop which had WinXP. That became unusable and since XP is no more supported, I couldn't use other Windows OS also on it. I was advised to go for linux.
  721. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:48:14 <CrazyTux> I installed Lubuntu on it and it was revived. Now I have a new laptop.
  722. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:48:45 <CrazyTux> I have a new laptop that I bought this month and want to try other distros also.
  723. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:49:51 <CrazyTux> Even with Lubuntu that old laptop is very slow and sometimes becomes unusable because cpu gets used completely with just a few tabs open in Firefox.
  724. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:51:00 <CrazyTux> I have Lubuntu installed on that old laptop. On my new one I have Xubuntu.
  725. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:51:35 <CrazyTux> old one has 2 GBs of RAM, runs on Celeron M 1.5 Ghz single core cpu.
  726. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:52:34 <CrazyTux> new one has 4GBs or RAM and runs on Core i3 2 Ghz cpu.
  727. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:52:59 <CrazyTux> old one has 40 GBs of HDD and new 1 TB HDD.
  728. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:54:16 <CrazyTux> About 500 GB is free
  729. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:54:40 <CrazyTux> I am ok with 4 GBs of RAM.
  730. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:54:49 <CrazyTux> yes. Unpartitioned space
  731. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:55:54 <CrazyTux> yes. I'll do that.
  732. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:56:09 <CrazyTux> or may be I'll install them in Virtual Box.
  733. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:56:56 <CrazyTux> ok
  734. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:57:52 <CrazyTux> what is that?
  735. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 07:58:29 <CrazyTux> ok
  736. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:01:12 <CrazyTux> ok
  737. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:02:24 <CrazyTux> yes
  738. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:03:45 <CrazyTux> Spreadsheets. MS Office etc.
  739. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:03:58 <CrazyTux> Libre Office.
  740. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:04:07 <CrazyTux> pdf viewers.
  741. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:04:52 <CrazyTux> Libre Office has all the packages.
  742. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:05:58 <CrazyTux> I need to be able to install some Accounting packages also.
  743. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:06:29 <CrazyTux> I think, most of them can be installed on Windows only.
  744. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:06:44 <CrazyTux> I need to install Windows in Virtual Box.
  745. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:07:23 <CrazyTux> Basically, my work is related to Accounting. Would Linux be suitable for it?
  746. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:07:39 <CrazyTux> ok.
  747. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:08:23 <CrazyTux> I need to install softwares like SAP ERP (FICO module), Tally, pdf readers etc.
  748. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:10:24 <CrazyTux> ok
  749. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:11:06 <CrazyTux> As I said earlier I need a distro to get my work done. The OS itself should not be a work for me.
  750. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:12:06 <CrazyTux> I think, looking at the description of Arch linux, it would not be suitable for me.
  751. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:12:27 <bookworm> CrazyTux: definitely not if the OS should get out of your way
  752. ./02/28/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 28 08:14:35 <CrazyTux> ok
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  755. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 24 05:35:27 <CrazyTux> which method of updating/upgrading is advised? using CLI or Software Updater?
  756. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 24 05:39:34 <Bashing-om> CrazyTux: Nothing wrong with both .. and a looksee in the logs sometimes .
  757. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 24 05:39:57 <CrazyTux> ok
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  760. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 24 17:32:24 <CrazyTux> how can I chat on ##linux on freenode?
  761. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 24 17:33:47 <w9qbj> CrazyTux, easy /join ##linux
  762. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 24 17:33:53 <Haris> CrazyTux: go to #help or #freenode-help or #freenode for this query
  763. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 24 17:34:22 <happyfr0gg> CrazyTux - type in without quotes: " /join ##linux ".
  764. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 24 17:35:00 <CrazyTux> I am getting this response. ##linux :Cannot send to channel
  765. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 24 17:35:21 <Pici> CrazyTux: you need to register and identify to speak there.
  766. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 24 17:35:23 <Pici> !register | CrazyTux
  767. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 24 17:35:24 <ubottu> CrazyTux: For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode.
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  772. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:11:17 <CrazyTux> hello, is Debian Stable faster than Ubuntu or many of its derivatives?
  773. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:13:22 <jelly> CrazyTux: hard to say, try it and see
  774. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:14:06 <CrazyTux> last time I tried to create a live usb of debian stable. I wan
  775. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:14:19 <CrazyTux> I faced some problems in running it.
  776. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:14:55 <CrazyTux> has that issue regarding debian live usb been resolved?
  777. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:15:34 <jelly> "some problems" and "that issue" isn't descriptive enough to give an answer, CrazyTux
  778. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:16:29 <CrazyTux> yes. This is the kind of response I got then. That live cds of debian are sub optimal.
  779. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:18:00 <CrazyTux> how is MX Linux?
  780. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:18:28 <n4dir1> CrazyTux: i only heard good things, didn't use it myself though. iirc it also gave up on systemd
  781. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:20:04 <CrazyTux> what is that systemd. and what are the implications of giving up on systemd? I am too new to linux to be having any knowledge of this.
  782. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:21:48 <CrazyTux> ok
  783. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:21:57 <CrazyTux> bigger means what?
  784. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:22:18 <stew> CrazyTux: so when the kernel is ready to start processes, "the userland" it starts /sbin/init which in turn starts other programs. what exactly /sbin/init is can be something like systemd or sysvinit or upstart or something. Your main interaction with it would probably be starting and stopping of services
  785. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:22:50 <CrazyTux> ok
  786. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:26:43 <CrazyTux> ok
  787. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:27:06 <n4dir1> back to topic: you prefer any graphical environment, CrazyTux (say gnome, kde or such)
  788. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:27:45 <CrazyTux> Mate and Xfce
  789. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:28:26 <CrazyTux> MX has Xfce DE as its default DE.
  790. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:28:40 <CrazyTux> ok
  791. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:30:20 <CrazyTux> ok
  792. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:33:13 <CrazyTux> ok
  793. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:49:51 <CrazyTux> MX Linux has another option. They make available monthly updated ISO's.
  794. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:50:51 <CrazyTux> http://mxrepo.com/snapshots/?C=M;O=D
  795. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:51:27 <CrazyTux> MX is a Debian stable based distro.
  796. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:51:54 <n4dir1> CrazyTux: my guess is MX is a good choice. Like said: from what i have heard, never used it
  797. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:52:13 <CrazyTux> ok
  798. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:53:23 <CrazyTux> I used Linux Mint also. Sometime the sound volume gets reduced there for no obvious reason until I log in again.
  799. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:53:39 <CrazyTux> I think Debian Stable won't have such problems.
  800. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:55:36 <CrazyTux> No. Ubuntu based.
  801. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 08:56:30 <CrazyTux> ok
  802. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 09:01:07 <CrazyTux> wanted to try Debian stable.
  803. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 09:01:30 <CrazyTux> Actually, I have used Debian on my old laptop.
  804. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 09:02:20 <CrazyTux> ok
  805. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 09:11:37 <CrazyTux> is LMDE based on Debian Stable?
  806. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 09:15:11 <CrazyTux> ok
  807. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 09:15:49 <CrazyTux> Will check that.
  808. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 09:17:08 <CrazyTux> I think it it primarily for games. I need a reliable OS for home and office use. I usually don't play games.
  809. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 09:18:03 <CrazyTux> how is Deepin?
  810. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 09:18:13 <CrazyTux> or deepin.
  811. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 09:19:24 <CrazyTux> ok
  812. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 09:21:28 <CrazyTux> ok
  813. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 09:23:32 <CrazyTux> ok
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  816. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 13:59:41 <CrazyTux> hello, I am unable to boot from the live usb created for Debian Stable 64 edition.
  817. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 13:59:59 <CrazyTux> It doesn't get detected duting boot up.
  818. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:00:09 <CrazyTux> I have this problem on my new laptop.
  819. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:00:36 <CrazyTux> I am able to boot from 32 bit edition on my old laptop, though.
  820. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:00:47 <CrazyTux> what could be the problem?
  821. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:01:35 <doubledutch> CrazyTux, first troubleshooting step I would take, would be to try the USB in a different machine... that way you can see if it works and narrow down the problem to either the Debian box or the USB itself
  822. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:02:50 <CrazyTux> as I said I don't have this problem on my old laptop which is of 10 years old.
  823. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:04:20 <CrazyTux> I have tried the live usb of Debian stable on my 32 bit machine. It works.
  824. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:05:18 <CrazyTux> It is on my new laptop that the live usb of debian 64 bit edition doesn't get detected.
  825. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:06:01 <CrazyTux> Ubuntu, Mint don't have any problem loading on my new laptop.
  826. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:06:02 <BluesKaj> CrazyTux, do you have usb boot enabled in the urfi/bios?
  827. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:06:13 <CrazyTux> yes. It is enabled.
  828. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:06:26 <CrazyTux> I think it is uefi.
  829. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:07:48 <CrazyTux> that option is not available. I mean, when try to boot from live usb of debian, that option is not reflected.
  830. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:08:54 <CrazyTux> to check whether there is any problem with the pendrive or the method of creating that live usb, I created one for ubuntu. It doesn't have any problem.
  831. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:09:23 <CrazyTux> I used the same method for creating the live usb, same tool.
  832. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:09:27 <Shadow_7> CrazyTux: You might need to disable secure boot and enable legacy/CSM to boot the USB.
  833. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:09:53 <CrazyTux> just a minute. Let me check that.
  834. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:10:09 <Shadow_7> CrazyTux: And you probably have a spam key to select it after power on. ESC on my hp stream 11. F12 on my gateway desktop.
  835. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:11:32 <CrazyTux> secure boot is disabled.
  836. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:14:07 <Shadow_7> CrazyTux: also, this desktop only seems to boot with MBR based partitioning. atm, I use a live usb to $(configfile (hd1)/boot/grub/grub.cfg) after $(insmod part_gpt) and $(insmod ext2) at grubs command prompt "C".
  837. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:18:04 <CrazyTux> secure boot is disabled and legacy usb support is enabled now.
  838. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:20:56 <CrazyTux> I am not sure if it is BIOS or UEFI. how can I find that out.
  839. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:21:34 <BluesKaj> CrazyTux, if it's brand new it'
  840. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:25:39 <CrazyTux> then it is UEFI.
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  843. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:35:03 <CrazyTux> hello..
  844. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 14:35:25 <CrazyTux> any help?
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  847. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:04:53 <CrazyTux> hi, I am not able to chat on ##linux. How can I do that?
  848. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:06:31 <rwn> CrazyTux: https://freenode.linux.community/faq
  849. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:07:25 <CrazyTux> ok. thanks a lot.
  850. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:34:07 <CrazyTux> I am not able to chat on ##linux
  851. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:35:05 <BluesKaj> CrazyTux, register your nick, ask on freenode how to
  852. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:35:52 <CrazyTux> yes. on #freenode.
  853. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:36:45 <BluesKaj> CrazyTux, I see you in the #linux nicklist
  854. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:37:14 <CrazyTux> but, I'm not able to send messages and interact there.
  855. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:38:04 <CrazyTux> Insufficient parameters for REGISTER.
  856. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:38:06 <CrazyTux> Syntax: REGISTER <password> <email>
  857. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:38:20 <CrazyTux> this is the response I am getting there.
  858. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:39:17 <BluesKaj> CrazyTux, you should be registering on the server page , not in #freenode
  859. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:41:40 <CrazyTux> where is that server page? BluesKaj?
  860. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:42:39 <BluesKaj> CrazyTux, the freenode tab without the # in front
  861. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:43:24 <CrazyTux> ok
  862. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:43:32 <jelly> CrazyTux: if you can open a query tab for the NickServ service, do it there. /QUERY NickServ, or /MSG NickServ
  863. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:43:34 <BluesKaj> if you're using the chat.freenode server, CrazyTux
  864. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:44:03 <jelly> they seem to be using something called... -CrazyTux- VERSION ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170127014032]
  865. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:48:57 <CrazyTux> I am using this ChatZilla.
  866. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 24 16:49:14 <CrazyTux> freenode
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  873. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:47:16 <CrazyTux> hello..
  874. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:48:07 <CrazyTux> which is the most lightweight linux distro for very old laptops?
  875. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:48:37 <CuSn> CrazyTux: how much ram?
  876. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:48:48 <CrazyTux> I have a laptop that is 11 years old. I installed LXLE and Lubuntu on it. Even those seem to be heavy for it.
  877. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:49:19 <CrazyTux> 2 GBs of RAM. It runs on Intel Celeron M 1.5 Ghz cpu.
  878. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:49:40 <Armand> CrazyTux: I was working on a 2004 laptop only last night. :P
  879. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:50:01 <CrazyTux> Armand, which Linux distro?
  880. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:50:04 <Armand> CrazyTux: Mint 17.1, Mate
  881. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:50:55 <CrazyTux> I have LXLE and Lubuntu on it. Just a few Firefox tabs open and the cpu consumption reaches 100%.
  882. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:52:41 <Armand> CrazyTux: Shame you're not in the UK.. I have better processors that will work in a socket 479
  883. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:53:07 <CrazyTux> I am not able to boot from MX 16 live usb on my new 64 bit laptop. It doesn't get detected during boot up.
  884. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:53:52 <CrazyTux> Armand, I have a new laptop also and I have Ubuntu Mate and Mint 18.1 installed on it.
  885. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:54:24 <CrazyTux> Wanted to try MX 16 64 bit edition. Not able to boot from the live usb.
  886. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:59:29 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, you'll have to try another usb
  887. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:59:36 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, the first i usually do
  888. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 17:59:41 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, the first thing i usually do
  889. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:00:35 <CrazyTux> No. The usb doesn't have any problem. Nor the tool or the method of creating it has any problem.
  890. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:00:57 <CrazyTux> live usb of Ubuntu works fine with that same pendrive.
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  893. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:09:23 <CrazyTux> hello..
  894. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:17:04 <CrazyTux> can we rely on distrowatch.com page hit ranking to make a choice of linus distros?
  895. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:17:29 <ayecee> CrazyTux: "rely"?
  896. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:17:59 <ayecee> CrazyTux: there are so many things wrong with that question that it's difficult to know where to start.
  897. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:18:26 <CrazyTux> ayecee, I am a linux newbie.
  898. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:18:43 <BCMM> CrazyTux: it's exactly what it sounds like - how many people visit that web page on distrowatch...
  899. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:19:41 <triceratux> CrazyTux: only if you want to blindly follow the hordes, but the hitcounts on distrowatch are astroturfed anyway so they more likely represent clickbots or paid agenturs. rely on your own judgement
  900. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:20:11 <CrazyTux> ok
  901. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:21:00 <triceratux> CrazyTux: theyre close to what youll see represented in the blogosphere & forums tho. but personally i concentrate around the middle rather than the top
  902. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:22:22 <CrazyTux> ok
  903. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:23:41 <CrazyTux> which distros are the most stable and secure and have good support? Debian based or Fedora based or Arch based?
  904. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:25:17 <triceratux> CrazyTux: fedora & arch really require a little more expertise & patience because stuff can be unpredicatble. if youre starting out debian or a derivative will generally provide the most solutions. thats why canonical went that route
  905. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:25:43 <BCMM> CrazyTux: most secure? debian stable is not a bad choice if you don't mind stuff being old. good support? do you want actual professional support, that you are prepared to pay for? or do you just want an IRC channel that isn't dead?
  906. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:29:14 <CrazyTux> not the paid support
  907. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:39:05 <CrazyTux> I am not able to boot from MX16 live usb 64 bit edition. What could be the problem?
  908. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:39:20 <CrazyTux> I really liked that distro and want to install it on my laptop.
  909. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:43:59 <CrazyTux> hello.. anybody here can help me?
  910. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:44:16 <CrazyTux> MX linux is a Debian stable based distro.
  911. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:49:21 <CrazyTux> are israeli girls beautiful and sexy?
  912. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:50:54 <CrazyTux> I just wanted to draw your attention to me. I have a problem. I am not able to boot from MX16 live usb. Can anybody help me?
  913. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:51:41 <FrostyBytes> CrazyTux: it's probably your bios rather than linux
  914. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:51:53 <FrostyBytes> CrazyTux: also, did you isohybrid the image
  915. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:53:11 <CrazyTux> but, why Ubuntu live usb doesn't have any problem in booting up. I tested others also, like Korora, Mint, Sparky Linux. None of them have any problem.
  916. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:53:34 <FrostyBytes> CrazyTux: maybe MX has not treated their iso with isohybrid that allows booting it from usb disk
  917. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:53:39 <CrazyTux> Strangely, only Debian stable and MX Linux have this problem.
  918. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:53:53 <FrostyBytes> CrazyTux: even Ubuntu used to need isohybrid ages ago
  919. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:54:15 <CrazyTux> MX16 32 bit live usb boots successfully on my old laptop.
  920. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:56:32 <CrazyTux> MX Linux is such a nice distro. Has Debian stable as its base. But, I am not able to try live usb of it.
  921. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:57:12 <FrostyBytes> CrazyTux: why don't you try some kind of MX-specific support channel?
  922. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:57:29 <CrazyTux> It doesn't have a channel.
  923. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 18:58:40 <CrazyTux> Even on Debian channel they don't seem to entertain questions on other distros even those based on Debian stable.
  924. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:00:26 <BluesKaj> CrazyTux, depends on the question
  925. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:00:27 <triceratux> CrazyTux: im on current mx16 right now. sounds like you should nomodeset the thing if the 32bit version works. also tell it "failsafe nocheckfs" those are the arcane antiX parms that help the boot a lot
  926. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:02:54 <triceratux> CrazyTux: yep arch folks dont like arch derivatives & debian peeps dont like debian derivatives. fedora types are also suspicious of korora if theyve heard of it
  927. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:10:33 <CrazyTux> as far as I can remember I had this issue with debian stable live usb also.
  928. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:11:36 <triceratux> CrazyTux: sounds like the absence of lightdm is keeping your video session from coming up. jessie did that to me as well. on mx16 tell it "failsafe" on the grub line
  929. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:12:24 <CrazyTux> by the way, which is the most preferred distro among Linux beginners switching from Windows?
  930. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:12:33 <koala_man> CrazyTux: ubuntu
  931. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:14:09 <CrazyTux> ok
  932. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:14:42 <triceratux> CrazyTux: ElementaryOS, bunsenlabs-#!, & kali. but they all suck & windows folks should go straight to ubuntu. or if they heard about linux from mrrobot they should do the parrotsec thing https://www.linux.com/learn/security/parrot-security-could-be-your-next-security-tool
  933. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:15:10 <CrazyTux> ok
  934. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:16:53 <triceratux> CrazyTux: when im not running mx16 im on parrotsec a lot. its really well put together, based on debian testing & running mate. you kinda have to be following the antiX guys to get the most out of mx16 tbh
  935. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:19:11 <CrazyTux> how is Sparky Linux? it is a debian testing based distro.
  936. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:19:51 <triceratux> CrazyTux: its great. i unhesitatingly recommend it. the xfce spin is fine, & the gameover spin has a working steam ootb on the iso
  937. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:20:58 <CrazyTux> but, is testing based distro suitable for beginners?
  938. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:21:50 <CrazyTux> but, what about Sparky Linux?
  939. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:22:10 <Armand> CrazyTux: "testing" == "testing" == unstable
  940. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:22:31 <triceratux> CrazyTux: depends. jessie with its 3.16 kernel is arguably too old for beginners. testing itself is probably an adventure but sparky is more like a manageable snapshot
  941. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:22:50 <CrazyTux> just a minute.
  942. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:23:42 <CrazyTux> https://sparkylinux.org/download/
  943. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:24:11 <CrazyTux> they have a separate category called Testing. What does it mean?
  944. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:25:38 <CrazyTux> https://sparkylinux.org/sparky-news-20161229/
  945. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:26:23 <triceratux> CrazyTux: looks like thats their own inhouse testing where they post dev isos that arent mature yet. theres just the one minimal image there atm. sparky itself is debian testing. notice how they do all the main desktops & ignore gnome3
  946. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:27:50 <CrazyTux> triceratux, would you recommend Sparky for beginners like me?
  947. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:28:22 <CrazyTux> I am from non technical background and new to Linux.
  948. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:28:34 <beaky> wow nice CrazyTux
  949. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:29:08 <jim> CrazyTux, do you find linux useful?
  950. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:29:09 <triceratux> CrazyTux: actually yeah. the 4.5.2 xfce runs a 4.8.0 kernel & its very vanilla debian that does you some favours & gives you a head start
  951. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:30:29 <CrazyTux> ok. I'll go with Sparky with Xfce. Any other DE recommended? for a beginner.
  952. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:31:31 <CrazyTux> ok
  953. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:33:54 <CrazyTux> Sparky Linux in comparison to Mint?
  954. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:37:14 <triceratux> CrazyTux: current mint theres now an extra step to download the media stuff. it brings down 60M in 125 debs. its still running a 4.4.0 kernel. sparky has vlc working ootb & runs a 4.8.0 kernel
  955. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:38:15 <triceratux> CrazyTux: also mint now has a spotty security record & they only have a new release when ubuntu LTS comes out every 2 years. sparky stays more current than that
  956. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:39:46 <CrazyTux> triceratux, what do you mean by spotty security record?
  957. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:40:07 <triceratux> CrazyTux: they got hacked. it was no big deal but you can google it
  958. ./02/24/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 24 19:40:27 <CrazyTux> ok.
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  961. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:41:33 <CrazyTux> hello, I have read online that Lubuntu is one of the lightweight, faster and least resource hungry distros available. My question is if I have a distro like Ubuntu or Xubuntu installed on my laptop and then install Lubuntu Desktop over it, can I get the same performance?
  962. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:43:37 <slicktux> CrazyTux: that does not make sense? install Lubuntu over it? as it overwrite it? or Overlay over the current installs; that is essentially 'upgrading' to lubuntu?
  963. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:43:44 <Bashing-om> CrazyTux: To add to your delimma : If performance is the prime consideration . then learn what a core install is .
  964. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:45:07 <CrazyTux> I am new to linux. I have Xubuntu 16.10 installed on my laptop. Over it I have installed Lubuntu Desktop, LXDE, Mate Desktop and Gnome also.
  965. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:45:32 <CrazyTux> I will stick to Ubuntu and its derivatives.
  966. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:46:20 <CrazyTux> At login I am presented with options like Lubuntu, Lxde, Gnome, Mate etc.
  967. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:46:37 <CrazyTux> I can switch between those.
  968. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:47:35 <CrazyTux> If I chose Lubuntu Desktop, does it give the same performance as when Lubuntu OS is installed? that actually was my doubt.
  969. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:51:07 <slicktux> CrazyTux: that I do not know: I am sure that all of Xubuntu's services and packages will be loaded during init; so with regards to performance; if Lubuntu uses a differing, lighter DE, then yes you should get slightly better perf, it all depends. should not be too noticible in newer systems.
  970. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:51:46 <CrazyTux> ok.
  971. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:52:10 <CrazyTux> slicktux, thanks a lot.
  972. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:54:45 <CrazyTux> I am using Linux as the only OS on my laptop. I want to create a bootable usb drive of Windows 10 for my friend. I don't have access to any Windows system now. Is there any tool or application available for Ubuntu to create it?
  973. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:55:29 <CrazyTux> slicktux, dd?
  974. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:55:29 <slicktux> CrazyTux: liveuSB or just the ISO to install?.
  975. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:56:01 <CrazyTux> ok
  976. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:56:14 <CrazyTux> thanks
  977. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:56:33 <slicktux> CrazyTux: if you have the .iso than you can dd if=path/to/.iso of=/dev/USB** bs=512
  978. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:56:47 <CrazyTux> ok
  979. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:57:26 <slicktux> CrazyTux: dd is a could be a dangerouse command so be carefull!
  980. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:57:48 <CrazyTux> ok.
  981. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:57:55 <CrazyTux> why dangerous?
  982. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:58:15 <CrazyTux> and what is bs=512 in that command?
  983. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:58:35 <slicktux> CrazyTux: because if you dd to say yer hdd or hdd partition than you will overwrite it with whatebever yer dd'ing and loose data
  984. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:58:42 <slicktux> CrazyTux: dd --help
  985. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:58:54 <CrazyTux> ok
  986. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 05:59:13 <CrazyTux> I'll use the live usb application.
  987. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 06:00:05 <CrazyTux> thanks for that info.
  988. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 06:00:07 <CrazyTux> bye.
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  991. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:44:28 <CrazyTux> hello, I have installed Gnome Desktop on my existing Xubuntu 16.10. At login I get options Gnome, Gnome Classic and Gnome on wayland. What are these and what is the difference between these?
  992. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:45:36 <hateball> CrazyTux: Wayland is the new display server, instead of X.org
  993. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:46:08 <CrazyTux> ok.
  994. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:47:03 <CrazyTux> and I am trying to update the OS now. I am on Gnome now. But, not able to update.
  995. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:47:12 <CrazyTux> ok
  996. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:48:41 <CrazyTux> Now I'm able to.
  997. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:51:50 <CrazyTux> Does Gnome 2 look like Mate?
  998. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:52:20 <CrazyTux> or let me try it myself.
  999. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:52:32 <GreySunshine>CrazyTux: Pretty much yes.
  1000. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:52:46 <lotuspsychje>CrazyTux: perhaps the #ubuntu-gnome channel might also be interseting for you?
  1001. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:53:04 <CrazyTux> yes.
  1002. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:53:42 <CrazyTux> I'll be back in a minute.
  1003. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:53:50 <CrazyTux> thanks a lot, guys.
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  1006. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:57:37 <CrazyTux> yes. Gnome classic resembles somewhat to Mate.
  1007. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:58:25 <CrazyTux> I am curious, why so many DEs in Linux/Ubuntu?
  1008. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 07:58:59 <CrazyTux> Is it just the appearance or something more that changes when a DE is changed.
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  1011. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 14:03:57 <CrazyTux> hello, which is the most intuitive DE available for Ubuntu?
  1012. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 14:04:27 <cfhowlett> CrazyTux, please stop this. you are trolling with repeatedly asked questions
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  1015. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:38:17 <CrazyTux> hello, I am using Xubuntu 16.10. Can anyone here guide me in installing Ubuntu Mate Desktop over it?
  1016. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:38:29 <ikonia> CrazyTux: please stop this
  1017. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:38:40 <secureOS> CrazyTux: true
  1018. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:38:41 CrazyTux CrackedCracker cragdor_ crayon CrazyEddy CrazySane cricket[m] Croepha crooz croppa CrypticGator cryptodan_mobile
  1019. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:38:42 CrazyTux CrackedCracker cragdor_ crayon CrazyEddy CrazySane
  1020. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:38:54 <ikonia> CrazyTux: you are doing this every single day, install $ubuntu, and replace desktop with $different-ubuntu
  1021. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:39:52 <CrazyTux> my laptop is used by three of my friends. They keep changing it according to their preferences.
  1022. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:40:11 <CrazyTux> ikonia, ok. I got it.
  1023. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:41:06 <CrazyTux> I am a bit confused in using the terminal and commands.
  1024. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:41:21 <CrazyTux> ok.
  1025. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:43:26 <CrazyTux> could you please confirm the instructions give on this site are correct? for 16.10. http://www.tecmint.com/install-mate-desktop-in-ubuntu-fedora/
  1026. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:43:37 <ikonia> CrazyTux: no
  1027. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:43:51 <ikonia> CrazyTux: I've just told you what to do, open the package manager, install the desktop package you want
  1028. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:45:08 CrazyTux CrackedCracker cragdor_ crayon CrazyEddy CrazySane cricket[m] Croepha crooz croppa CrypticGator cryptodan_mobile
  1029. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:45:10 CrazyTux CrackedCracker cragdor_ crayon CrazyEddy CrazySane cricket[m] Croepha crooz croppa CrypticGator cryptodan_mobile
  1030. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:45:11 CrazyTux CrackedCracker cragdor_ crayon CrazyEddy CrazySane
  1031. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:46:53 <CrazyTux> mate desktop environment (metapackage). Is that correct?
  1032. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:48:10 <CrazyTux> ok
  1033. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 16 15:49:04 <CrazyTux> thanks a lot.
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  1036. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 16 05:47:57 <CrazyTux> is jscoder online here?
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  1039. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 16 14:09:01 <CrazyTux> hello, which is the most intuitive DE available in Linux? especially for those switching from Windows.
  1040. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 16 14:10:49 <fishbulb> CrazyTux: KDE is similar to the windows layout
  1041. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 16 14:11:22 <CrazyTux> ok. Is it resource hungry?
  1042. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 16 14:12:35 <CrazyTux> I have a laptop that I purchased this month.
  1043. ./02/16/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 16 14:12:57 <CrazyTux> ok. Will try that.
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  1046. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 25 16:14:34 <CrazyTux> hello, I forgot my freenode password. How can I get that?
  1047. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 25 16:14:59 <ducasse> CrazyTux: ask in #freenode
  1048. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 25 16:15:12 <CrazyTux> ok. I just asked there.
  1049. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 25 16:16:38 <ducasse> CrazyTux: then wait for a response, it's the weekend so it can take a while
  1050. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 25 16:18:29 <CrazyTux> ok
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  1055. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:28:33 <CrazyTux> which one is more user friendly between Ubuntu and Fedora?
  1056. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:28:47 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, both are user-friendly.
  1057. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:29:00 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, fedora got much better after v.20...
  1058. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:29:09 <CrazyTux> Does anybody know which distro Linus Torvalds use?
  1059. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:29:18 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, everybody knows the answer to that
  1060. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:29:25 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, it's known he used to use fedora..
  1061. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:29:29 <CrazyTux> I don't know.
  1062. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:29:38 <CrazyTux> oh. Is it Fedora?
  1063. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:29:45 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, i don't know what he uses currently.. but probably still uses it
  1064. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:29:50 <CrazyTux> I am a newbie here.
  1065. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:30:17 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, I also know Mister Torvalds uses nucboxes.
  1066. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:30:27 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, because nucboxes are cool.
  1067. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:30:31 <CrazyTux> I saw a video on youtube where he called Debian not so user friendly.
  1068. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:30:50 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, and Microsoft once called "Linux is a Cancer".
  1069. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:30:51 <CrazyTux> I don't know why.
  1070. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:31:01 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, and they are now partners with the Linux Foundation.
  1071. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:31:06 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, crazy rightt?
  1072. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:31:09 <CrazyTux> MS is a cancer.
  1073. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:31:23 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, riiiiiigggghhhhttttttttttttttttt ???????? :)))))
  1074. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:31:45 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, do you think Linux is a cancer too? :)))
  1075. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:31:50 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, come on ballmer.
  1076. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:31:52 <CrazyTux> No.
  1077. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:31:53 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, We know it is you.
  1078. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:32:01 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, Ballmer boy...
  1079. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:32:27 <gtxbb> Dr_Coke, (CrazyTux)
  1080. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:32:42 <CrazyTux> I have been a Windows user till now. Just a few months old in Linux. But, I have almost forgotten Windows.
  1081. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:34:21 <CrazyTux> I have some problem in running the live usb of Debian Jessie 64 bit edition on my new laptop.
  1082. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:34:46 <CrazyTux> Every other distro work fine except Debian Jessie and those based on it.
  1083. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:35:01 <CrazyTux> live usb doesn't get detected during bootup.
  1084. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:36:10 <CrazyTux> I also didn't find Debian too difficult, despite having never used any Linux distro before.
  1085. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:36:32 <CrazyTux> I did install Debian Jessie 32 bit edition on my old laptop.
  1086. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:37:03 <eviladmin> CrazyTux: people have it too easy these days
  1087. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:37:24 <eviladmin> CrazyTux: when I started using gnu/linux you had to mknod/mkdev everything yourself etc
  1088. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:38:08 <CrazyTux> one more question. How many linux distros can be installed on a laptop in a multi boot set up?
  1089. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:38:40 <CrazyTux> I have Xubuntu and Mint installed on my laptop now.
  1090. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:39:33 <triceratux> CrazyTux: i deployed this to a standard desktop optiplex https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive & im multibooting 62 distros
  1091. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:40:49 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, I was having an issue with 2 workstations where (on post-install) the kernel was problematic with the Xserver... the stock installer installs 3.16, but in terminal I would install backports kernels 4.x and up and the issue woudl go away
  1092. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:41:25 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, however other distro's kernel builds would not cause this problem.. I complained about this to the debian kernel team about it, but they would not bother with it..
  1093. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:41:41 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, likely something of a "debian custom patch" that may have been causing it..
  1094. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:41:52 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, but it eventually went away after using amuch more recent kernel
  1095. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:41:58 <eviladmin> CrazyTux: 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
  1096. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:42:07 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, if you can boot into rescue mode, then try adding a backports kernel...
  1097. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:42:35 <triceratux> CrazyTux: http://pastebin.centos.org/67921/03728314/ http://i.imgur.com/A0XPdTK.jpg
  1098. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:44:30 <CrazyTux> the live usb of Debian Jessie doesn't get detected at all. Even MX 16 which is a Debian Stable based distro has the same problem.
  1099. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:45:01 <CrazyTux> Yet, all other distros like Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, Korora do not have any problem.
  1100. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:45:24 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, the live-build is not the official installer though
  1101. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:45:37 <gtxbb> CrazyTux, some "boot params" can sometimes be issued with boot installers
  1102. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:45:40 <BluesKaj> CrazyTux, assume you md5 summed the iso
  1103. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:45:53 <CrazyTux> yes. I did that.
  1104. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:46:14 <CrazyTux> there is no problem with the integrity of the ISO.
  1105. ./02/25/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 25 16:46:52 <CrazyTux> Leave that. I am not going to use Debian Stable or a distro based on that.
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  1108. ./02/09/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 09 06:14:50 <CrazyTux> which one is lighter between Xubuntu and Mate?
  1109. ./02/09/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 09 06:16:21 <CrazyTux> hello
  1110. ./02/09/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 09 06:16:24 <reisio> CrazyTux: ohai
  1111. ./02/09/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 09 06:16:37 <CrazyTux> hi
  1112. ./02/09/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 09 06:17:13 <CrazyTux> which one is lighter between Xubuntu and Mate?
  1113. ./02/09/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 09 06:17:28 <CrazyTux> ok
  1114. ./02/09/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 09 06:17:46 <CrazyTux> better? how?
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  1117. ./02/09/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 09 07:13:19 <CrazyTux> is Lubuntu only for old computers or for those computers that have less system resources?
  1118. ./02/09/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 09 07:13:26 <cfhowlett> CrazyTux, no
  1119. ./02/09/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 09 07:14:20 <CrazyTux> ok.
  1120. ./02/09/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 09 07:14:44 <CrazyTux> do people here use Lubuntu on new computers?
  1121. ./02/09/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 09 07:14:50 <cfhowlett> CrazyTux, yes
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  1126. ./02/09/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 09 07:03:25 <CrazyTux> does anybody here knows about Sparky Linux or has used it?
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  1133. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:27:05 <CrazyTux> hello, need some help.
  1134. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:27:39 <CrazyTux> I have a file on the NTFS partition. I want to delete that but not able to.
  1135. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:28:46 <CrazyTux> It says "Error removing file: No such file or directory".
  1136. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:29:07 <CrazyTux> how can I delete that?
  1137. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:29:23 <ppf> CrazyTux: the file doesn't exist
  1138. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:29:53 <CrazyTux> ppf, I can see that file.
  1139. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:30:18 <CrazyTux> I press Shift+Del to delete that file.
  1140. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:31:02 <CrazyTux> on linux.
  1141. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:31:45 <CrazyTux> I select that file in the file manager and press shift+del on it.
  1142. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:32:49 <ppf> try in the terminal, CrazyTux
  1143. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:33:06 <CrazyTux> ok. but how?
  1144. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:34:03 <ppf> CrazyTux: rm "full path to the file"
  1145. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:34:36 <CrazyTux> ppf, I tried that too. It says the file does not exist.
  1146. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:34:50 <CrazyTux> It is on the ntfs partition.
  1147. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:34:53 <ppf> CrazyTux: then the file doesn't exist
  1148. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:35:06 <CrazyTux> but, I can see the file.
  1149. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:37:24 <CrazyTux> hello, any help?
  1150. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:40:40 <CrazyTux> for which kind of users and for which kind of computers is Lubuntu suitable?
  1151. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:42:38 <k1l> CrazyTux: for everyone. but the intention of Lubuntu is shipping a desktop ubuntu that is made for slow and old hardware.
  1152. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:42:51 <CrazyTux> ok
  1153. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:43:01 <k1l> CrazyTux: but there are others who like lxde and run that on modern fast comupters
  1154. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:43:38 <CrazyTux> that means we can't expect many features in Lubuntu that we see in a distro like Ubuntu?
  1155. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:44:17 <k1l> CrazyTux: that heavily depends on what features we are talking about. they still share the same repos, so everything is installable on lubuntu, too
  1156. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:44:29 <CrazyTux> ok
  1157. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:44:50 <nx9010> CrazyTux, What are the specs you are installing Linux onto?
  1158. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:45:45 <CrazyTux> I have a laptop that has 4gbs of ram. 1TB HDD and it runs on Intel Core i3 cpu with 2 Ghz.
  1159. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:46:16 <k1l> CrazyTux: any ubuntu flavor will run on that
  1160. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:46:34 <CrazyTux> ok. I am using Xubuntu on it.
  1161. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:46:49 <k1l> CrazyTux: and if you feel its kind of slow i strongly suggest buying a ssd. that is a lot of speedup
  1162. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:46:59 <CrazyTux> ok
  1163. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:47:10 <CrazyTux> It's fine now.
  1164. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:47:56 <cfhowlett> CrazyTux, sudo apt install lxde. logout, choose lxde session, login. you'll have the look and feel of lubuntu, but not the apps. test away.
  1165. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:48:30 <CrazyTux> the problem I encountered is that there is a file on the HDD. On the ntfs partition. I am not able to delete that. I get an error message saying that the file doesn't exist.
  1166. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:48:53 <CrazyTux> cfhowlett, I'll try that.
  1167. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:50:09 <cfhowlett> CrazyTux, should you choose to go with a different *buntu, a new install in not required. simply install the *buntu-desktop of choice and purge the xubuntu-desktop.
  1168. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:50:33 <k1l> CrazyTux: where do you get that error exactly?
  1169. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:50:39 <CrazyTux> ok.
  1170. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:50:52 <CrazyTux> kll, while deleting the file
  1171. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:51:17 <k1l> CrazyTux: deleting with the file browser?
  1172. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:51:24 <CrazyTux> yes.
  1173. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:51:43 <CrazyTux> and also when I choose shift+del
  1174. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:51:46 <k1l> CrazyTux: reload that folder. it might be already gone
  1175. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:53:32 <Tin_man> So CrazyTux are you using Linux Mint, like you said you were on #linuxmint-help, or Ubuntu, cause I'm confused. Just awhile ago you said (on #linuxmint-help) your using Linux mint.
  1176. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:53:59 <CrazyTux> that is there for more than a week now.
  1177. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:55:17 <CrazyTux> I am using Xubuntu.
  1178. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 13:56:53 <CrazyTux> nx9010, what are the feature of your laptop?
  1179. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:00:00 <CrazyTux> any help for my above query?
  1180. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:00:16 <k1l> CrazyTux: did you reload the folder?
  1181. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:00:29 <CrazyTux> k1l, yes. I did that.
  1182. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:00:42 <k1l> CrazyTux: was the file still there?
  1183. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:01:03 <CrazyTux> the file starts with the words tmp and has long file name.
  1184. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:01:38 <Tin_man> CrazyTux, show a screen shot.
  1185. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:01:45 <CrazyTux> this is the file name..tmp209xZ1Muzq1n66OdlQjhp_E2WlS4zVCPHx7.LAg4KP_QzZUmXtckIjEjEpSd9Br7Jg2J3aPDdCkieV_QntFmG4NXIX96IxYOsfB.VJsWnZXQS5ZBlxtIqUmsUdCy.8DIrG9omufIWvoU060onhGvSykLkFlkiQm-sqhOFAQ6eVNUzfzFvVYEKshyzVKQW6ykCyNM13UdLzoeqJ8r31SlEag8-QDNFtdtgyUmlmmeMCekoZ5LkZ73rIeCP5J
  1186. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:02:08 <CrazyTux> I don't know how it got created in the first place
  1187. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:03:22 <k1l> CrazyTux: maybe your file manager got an issue with that name. so use "rm" on the terminal
  1188. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:06:12 <CrazyTux> I have tried rm also. But the result is the same.
  1189. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:06:20 <k1l> CrazyTux: i doubt
  1190. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:06:26 <CrazyTux> how can I post the screen shot here?
  1191. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:06:29 <cfhowlett> CrazyTux, and no errro message?
  1192. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:06:31 <k1l> CrazyTux: can you show the rm command and output?
  1193. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:06:58 <cfhowlett> CrazyTux, commandgoeshere | pastebinit
  1194. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:07:27 <CrazyTux> rm tmp209xZ1Muzq1n66OdlQjhp_E2WlS4zVCPHx7.LAg4KP_QzZUmXtckIjEjEpSd9Br7Jg2J3aPDdCkieV_QntFmG4NXIX96IxYOsfB.VJsWnZXQS5ZBlxtIqUmsUdCy.8DIrG9omufIWvoU060onhGvSykLkFlkiQm-sqhOFAQ6eVNUzfzFvVYEKshyzVKQW6ykCyNM13UdLzoeqJ8r31SlEag8-QDNFtdtgyUmlmmeMCekoZ5LkZ73rIeCP5J
  1195. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:07:27 <CrazyTux> rm: cannot remove 'tmp209xZ1Muzq1n66OdlQjhp_E2WlS4zVCPHx7.LAg4KP_QzZUmXtckIjEjEpSd9Br7Jg2J3aPDdCkieV_QntFmG4NXIX96IxYOsfB.VJsWnZXQS5ZBlxtIqUmsUdCy.8DIrG9omufIWvoU060onhGvSykLkFlkiQm-sqhOFAQ6eVNUzfzFvVYEKshyzVKQW6ykCyNM13UdLzoeqJ8r31SlEag8-QDNFtdtgyUmlmmeMCekoZ5LkZ73rIeCP5J': No such file or directory
  1196. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:07:56 <k1l> CrazyTux: is the nam correct? did you use tab completion?
  1197. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:08:24 <k1l> CrazyTux: and are you sure that is actually a file and not a placeholder from ntfs?
  1198. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:08:33 <CrazyTux> k1l, what is tab completion?
  1199. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:09:19 <k1l> CrazyTux: use the tab key to let the name be automatically completed
  1200. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:09:31 <CrazyTux> k1l, not sure what it is. It just sits there on my ntfs partition.
  1201. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:09:50 <CrazyTux> tab key? where?
  1202. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:10:19 <k1l> CrazyTux: "sudo rm tmp*press tab key*"
  1203. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:10:53 <Tin_man> CrazyTux, geeesuz it's the key that says "TAB"
  1204. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:11:39 <k1l> CrazyTux: please provide a "ls -al" from that directory
  1205. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:12:09 <cfhowlett> CrazyTux, ls -al | pastebinit
  1206. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:12:15 <CrazyTux> ok. I typed rm then space then the file name and then pressed the TAB key. Is that right?
  1207. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:15:26 <CrazyTux> k1l, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23973673/
  1208. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:15:40 <CrazyTux> k1l, please look into that.
  1209. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:16:00 <Night_> CrazyTux: did oyu get cyptovirus?
  1210. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:16:30 <CrazyTux> Night, what is that?
  1211. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:17:45 <CrazyTux> Night, I don't think so.
  1212. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:18:07 <Night_> CrazyTux: that is a long sha2 hash
  1213. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:18:32 <CrazyTux> Night, I don't know this either.
  1214. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:18:56 <ioria> CrazyTux, it's 0 size, try find . -size 0 -delete in that folder
  1215. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:19:04 <SchrodingersScat> CrazyTux: if rm won't delete it, would find maybe do it? something like find . -name "tmp209*" -delete
  1216. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:19:12 <CrazyTux> I just want it to be deleted from my hard disk.
  1217. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:19:21 <k1l> CrazyTux: ok, now please go to that folder with "cd /path/to/that/folder". then do "rm tmp209" then press your tabulator-key to let the name be automatically completed.
  1218. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:19:39 <k1l> CrazyTux: that way you make sure not to misstype
  1219. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:20:01 <k1l> CrazyTux: when you are in the folder a "rm tmp209*" should work too
  1220. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:21:20 <k1l> CrazyTux: if that is not working unmount that partition and run a fsck on it.
  1221. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:21:28 <CrazyTux> I did as instructed. That still says no such file in that directory.
  1222. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:21:47 <CrazyTux> ok. I will try this.
  1223. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:21:52 <k1l> CrazyTux: wait
  1224. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:22:10 <k1l> CrazyTux: try one more time with "rm -f" to force the rmeove
  1225. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:26:03 <CrazyTux> btw, which DE between Mate and Xfce provides an interface with rich features and is more intuitive?
  1226. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:26:35 <cfhowlett> CrazyTux, install both, test and decide for yourself
  1227. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 14:27:19 <CrazyTux> ok
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  1230. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 18:24:59 <CrazyTux> hi, I am using Xubuntu 16.10. I want to install Lxde DE. How can I do that?
  1231. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 18:25:38 <plgos> I got you CrazyTux
  1232. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 18:25:40 <MonkeyDust> CrazyTux sudo apt install lxde
  1233. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 18:26:26 <tomreyn> CrazyTux: install the "lxde" package, i would guess
  1234. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 18:27:17 <CrazyTux> In synaptic package manager Metapackage for lxde?
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  1237. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 19:18:36 <CrazyTux> I just installed Lxde DE, but not able to find the option for Lxde during log in.
  1238. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 19:18:55 <SebthreeBQM10HD> CrazyTux, how did you install it ?
  1239. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 19:19:49 <CrazyTux> sudo apt-get install lxde
  1240. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 19:20:00 <SebthreeBQM10HD> CrazyTux, make sure it's lubuntu-desktop and not just lxde, for the whole thing, should come up asking what log in screen when that one to. ctral tab or whatever to select, and lxdm is a good one
  1241. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 19:20:15 <SebthreeBQM10HD> CrazyTux, yep do this then. sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
  1242. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 19:20:32 <CrazyTux> ok. let me try.
  1243. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 19:21:04 <SebthreeBQM10HD> CrazyTux, ^^
  1244. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 19:25:31 <CrazyTux> SebthreeBQM10HD, you also use Lxde?
  1245. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 19:25:48 <SebthreeBQM10HD> CrazyTux, sometimes lxde itself, but mostly just for the log in screen in distros :)
  1246. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 19:26:19 <CrazyTux> do you prefer it over others?
  1247. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 19:26:26 <SebthreeBQM10HD> CrazyTux, out of the five or so I have tried, I think lxdm is the best
  1248. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 19:26:40 <SebthreeBQM10HD> CrazyTux, just answering that, as your question comes in :D
  1249. ./02/11/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 11 19:27:12 <SebthreeBQM10HD> CrazyTux, for an interface though, no not tht keen on lxde
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  1256. ./02/20/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 20 09:37:36 <CrazyTux> hello, can we install Cinnamon DE on Ubuntu?
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  1261. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 26 09:11:03 <CrazyTux> hello, why is Ubuntu and its other official derivatives listed separately on distrowatch.com? Put together they can easily surpass Mint in page hit ranking.
  1262. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 26 09:12:18 <alkisg> CrazyTux: haha, mint is ubuntu with just a few packages over it, it should be listed under ubuntu too if it was done properly
  1263. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 26 09:13:02 <CrazyTux> what do you mean by "if it was done properly"? is it not done properly?
  1264. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 26 09:13:46 <CrazyTux> ok. I didn't know this.
  1265. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 26 09:14:12 <CrazyTux> ok. You mean Ubuntu Mate better than Mint?
  1266. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 26 09:14:26 <CrazyTux> how does this affect how Mint behaves?
  1267. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 26 09:15:04 <CrazyTux> I'll use Mate only then.
  1268. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 26 09:18:46 * CrazyTux has quit (Quit: Leaving)
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  1270. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 26 05:57:38 <CrazyTux> hello, what advantage does Debian have over Fedora or Fedora based distros?
  1271. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 26 05:59:23 <Shadow_7> CrazyTux: xinput allows the changing of enable 3 button mouse emulation. service --status-all works in debian. And a couple other annoyances I had with fedora 23
  1272. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 26 06:02:06 <CrazyTux> Do Debian live CDs work now?
  1273. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 26 07:06:37 * CrazyTux has quit (Quit: Leaving)
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  1275. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:04:28 <CrazyTux> hi, which DE is more advanced Xfce or Mate?
  1276. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:06:00 <gr0ggle> CrazyTux: If you mean visually Mate is prettier and has more advanced graphical features but as far as functionality goes XFCE has a bit more going on in terms of applets.
  1277. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:06:34 <gr0ggle> CrazyTux: But really unless you're running really old hardware you should chose the one you want to look at all day. You could use XFCE and something like Compiz as a compromise.
  1278. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:08:02 <CrazyTux> I have a brand new laptop that runs on Intel Core i3 2 Ghz cpu and has 4 GBs of RAM. Which DE would be more intuitive and user friendly?
  1279. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:13:45 <gr0ggle> CrazyTux: You should watch some videos of the various DEs.
  1280. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:13:53 <gr0ggle> CrazyTux: And see what tickles your fancy.
  1281. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:14:25 <CrazyTux> ok
  1282. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:16:44 <CrazyTux> which is the most beginner friendly linux distro available now?
  1283. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:16:54 <CrazyTux> I am a linux newbie.
  1284. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:17:00 <gr0ggle> CrazyTux: You should just Google these questions.
  1285. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:17:14 <gr0ggle> CrazyTux: As a new Linux user the first thing you should learn is: Help Thyself.
  1286. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:17:29 <CrazyTux> I thought it would be better if I ask the opinions of Linux users here.
  1287. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:17:54 <lstanley> linux users making the blog and website posts are not any different, CrazyTux
  1288. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:17:55 <gr0ggle> CrazyTux: The answer is: it depends.
  1289. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:18:16 <CrazyTux> for someone who is switching from Windows.
  1290. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:19:08 <CrazyTux> Cinnamon with which distro?
  1291. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:19:22 <CrazyTux> ok
  1292. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:19:40 <CrazyTux> I have read that there were some security related issues with Mint.
  1293. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:19:49 <CrazyTux> is Mint secure?
  1294. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:19:51 <gr0ggle> CrazyTux: You'll be up and running in no time with Mint.
  1295. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:20:13 <gr0ggle> CrazyTux: Secure for what? You have top secret intel on your desktop?
  1296. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:20:28 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: that is the problem. When you start talking security and number of applications in repository Debian starts becoming really tempting.
  1297. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:20:30 <GreeningGalaxy> CrazyTux: word of advice, don't worry about security for a little while. If you are absolutely sure you must worry about security for some things, don't bring those things with you to linux until you're comfortable with it.
  1298. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:21:00 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: security you need to start looking and quality assuance/quality control process.
  1299. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:21:13 <CrazyTux> Windows is not secure at all.
  1300. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:21:27 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: windows can be more secure than some distributions.
  1301. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:22:56 <CrazyTux> since a Linux OS doesn't give root access by default, it can be more secure and stable than Windows.
  1302. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:23:14 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: some do give you root access by default.
  1303. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:23:42 <CrazyTux> yes. Exactly. I was asking about the quality control only.
  1304. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:24:08 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Vulnerable_Linux << This took the idea of make it as bad a possible to the extream.
  1305. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:25:51 <CrazyTux> I am just a newbie here. Don't have much technical knowledge about Linux distros.
  1306. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:26:29 <CrazyTux> that's also a major issue.
  1307. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:26:41 <CrazyTux> Good support and maintenance of a distro.
  1308. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:27:31 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: good support and maintenance is something you are checking when ever looking at a distribution. You don't want to go anywhere near someone one time fork off another distribution.
  1309. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:28:45 <CrazyTux> oiaohm, yes. Considering that point also, that is good support and maintenance and timely security updates, which distro would you recommend?
  1310. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:29:36 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: then there is a level above that. https://piuparts.debian.org/ Like what you see debian doing here. Automated tests on every new package submitted so it will install and remove correctly.
  1311. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:30:14 <CrazyTux> ok
  1312. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:31:08 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: Then you have https://reproducible-builds.org/who/ what is that you can confirm that a binary are source packages are truly identical.
  1313. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:31:29 <CrazyTux> ok
  1314. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:31:59 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: notice Mint is not a reproducible neither is Ubuntu most people start with.
  1315. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:33:04 <CrazyTux> what is exactly reproducible?
  1316. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:33:55 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: reproducable is that you can take the source code with the same tools and produce the same binaries every single time.
  1317. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:34:17 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: if someone has modified something up stream and not released it you can know.
  1318. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:34:40 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: this is accountability.
  1319. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:34:53 <CrazyTux> ok
  1320. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 06:37:00 <oiaohm> CrazyTux: problem you run into distributions that have historically done the most quality control have spent less time on user friendlyness.
  1321. ./02/26/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/##linux.log:feb 26 07:03:30 <CrazyTux> ok
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  1324. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 13 08:38:11 <CrazyTux> hi, I have one question. Can I get the same performance from Lubuntu Desktop installed over Ubuntu as when I get if I install Lubuntu itself?
  1325. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 13 08:39:22 <cfhowlett> CrazyTux, this is silly. you've asked variations on this very question at least a dozen times over the weekend. my advice: CHOOSE A LANE. install the ubuntu you like/want and learn it. after 3 months of use, consider changing.
  1326. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 13 08:39:42 <CrazyTux> ok
  1327. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 13 08:39:48 <CrazyTux> thanks.
  1328. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 13 08:40:03 <tatertots> CrazyTux: yeah you need to pick a lane and stay in it
  1329. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 13 08:41:44 <CrazyTux> Is it safe to install a package downloaded from the internet? I have downloaded .deb files of Dropbox, Google Earth and Chrome from their respective websites and want to install on Ubuntu.
  1330. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 13 08:42:40 <CrazyTux> As far as I remember, I didn't ask this question.
  1331. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 13 08:43:47 <CrazyTux> ok.
  1332. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 13 08:44:01 <CrazyTux> ok
  1333. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 13 08:45:27 <CrazyTux> ok. I'll do that. thanks a lot for this.
  1334. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 13 08:48:37 <CrazyTux> hi nashu.
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  1337. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 13 13:56:26 <CrazyTux> hello, how to increase laptop's battery life on Ubuntu or any of its variants?
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  1342. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 13 13:57:30 <CrazyTux> hello, can jscoder still be found on this channel?
  1343. ./02/13/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 13 13:58:37 <CrazyTux> ok. Thanks a lot.
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  1346. ./02/22/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 22 18:14:39 <CrazyTux> can jscoder be found here? when was he online last time?
  1347. ./02/22/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 22 18:16:48 <petn-randall>CrazyTux: Better to ask you question directly.
  1348. ./02/22/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 22 18:17:37 <CrazyTux> I had something to discuss with him.
  1349. ./02/22/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 22 18:17:49 <CrazyTux> Needed some info from him.
  1350. ./02/22/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 22 18:18:08 <CrazyTux> Anyway, I'll come back tomorrow.
  1351. ./02/22/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 22 18:18:47 <CrazyTux> ok. thanks a lot.
  1352. ./02/22/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 22 18:19:00 <jelly> CrazyTux: use MemoServ, /msg MemoServ help
  1353. ./02/22/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 22 18:20:27 <CrazyTux> jelly, thanks a lot.
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  1360. ./02/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 14 12:23:34 <CrazyTux> what does "Debian Stretch Freezes" mean?
  1361. ./02/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 14 12:24:26 <CrazyTux> slushy
  1362. ./02/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 14 12:24:36 <CrazyTux> stretch freeze
  1363. ./02/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 14 12:24:43 <CrazyTux> what do they mean?
  1364. ./02/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 14 12:24:49 <Brigo> CrazyTux, /msg dpkg slushy
  1365. ./02/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 14 12:32:18 <CrazyTux> when will Debian Stretch be available?
  1366. ./02/14/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#debian.log:feb 14 12:33:21 <petn-randall>!tell CrazyTux -about wwsr
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  1371. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 09:50:48 <CrazyTux> hello, what are snap packages?
  1372. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 09:55:25 <MonkeyDust> !snappy | CrazyTux
  1373. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 09:55:26 <ubottu> CrazyTux: Ubuntu Core is a rendition of Ubuntu with transactional updates using "snappy". For discussion and support, please visit #snappy and see http://www.ubuntu.com/snappy/
  1374. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 10:12:38 <CrazyTux> how can I install snaps on Xubuntu/Lubuntu?
  1375. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 10:13:11 <bazhang> CrazyTux, tried asking in #snappy yet
  1376. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 10:13:26 <k1l> CrazyTux: sudo snap install snapname
  1377. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 10:13:34 <CrazyTux> yes. Didn't get any response there.
  1378. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 10:13:59 <MonkeyDust> CrazyTux start here https://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/snappy
  1379. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 10:14:27 <CrazyTux> ok. Thanks
  1380. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 10:16:43 * CrazyTux has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170127014032])
  1381. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:03:09 * CrazyTux (~LinuxUser@43.239.209.132) has joined
  1382. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:03:27 <CrazyTux> how can I install snaps on Xubuntu?
  1383. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:03:40 <ducasse> CrazyTux: we told you earlier today
  1384. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:04:06 <CrazyTux> I installed snapd
  1385. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:04:25 <CrazyTux> is there any GUI tool to search snap apps
  1386. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:04:27 <k1l> CrazyTux: ist still the same answer
  1387. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:04:27 <CrazyTux> ?
  1388. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:04:44 <k1l> CrazyTux: the gnome-software store can handle snaps
  1389. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:06:26 <CrazyTux> where can I find gnome-software store?
  1390. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:07:51 <k1l> CrazyTux: install it? or just use the terminal as i told you already today
  1391. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:08:53 <CrazyTux> k1l, I am not too comfortable with terminal.
  1392. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:13:17 <clissold345> CrazyTux, Ubuntu Software lists snaps. Is that also known as the gnome software store?
  1393. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:15:29 <CrazyTux> clissold345, you mean Ubuntu Software Centre?
  1394. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:16:11 <k1l> CrazyTux: the center is the old one. "ubuntu-software" is the new one with snap support.
  1395. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:16:46 <clissold345> CrazyTux, type "software" (no quotes) in the Dash and you'll see Ubuntu Software.
  1396. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:17:20 <CrazyTux> I am using Xubuntu 16.10 now.
  1397. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:19:31 <CrazyTux> I just installed Ubuntu Software Centre on Xubuntu.
  1398. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:20:07 <k1l> CrazyTux: again: the "ubuntu-software" supports snap. not the "center". the "center" is the old one.
  1399. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:20:50 <CrazyTux> ok
  1400. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:22:50 <CrazyTux> ok. It was already there on Xubuntu, installed.
  1401. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:23:38 <CrazyTux> how can I get a snap for pdf reader?
  1402. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:24:32 <ducasse> CrazyTux: 'snap find pdf'
  1403. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:25:05 <CrazyTux> ducasse, in the terminal?
  1404. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:25:27 <ducasse> CrazyTux: yes
  1405. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:25:54 <CrazyTux> ok. thanks
  1406. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:26:51 <CrazyTux> ducasse, how to install a snap?
  1407. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#ubuntu.log:feb 19 14:27:08 <ducasse> CrazyTux: you were told earlier
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  1414. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#snappy.log:feb 19 10:04:50 <CrazyTux> hello, what is snappy?
  1415. ./02/19/17/ubuntu servers (freenode)/#snappy.log:feb 19 10:11:35 * CrazyTux (~chatzilla@43.239.209.132) has left
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