Shirakawasuna and the case of finite patience

12:23:28 PM+Hermaeus_Morathere appears to be little engagement in here, just a select few dictating what is acceptable conversation.
12:25:08 PM+Hermaeus_Moraname one
12:25:10 PM+InfiniteSpireHermaeus_Mora: The operators in this channel are generally terrible.
12:25:27 PM+Hermaeus_MoraInfiniteSpire: I'm starting to see that.
12:25:28 PM+InfiniteSpireThere appears to be two primary reasons for that:
12:25:37 PM+Hermaeus_MoraShirakawasuna: who has been 'intimidated'?
12:25:38 PM+InfiniteSpireOne, authoritarian minds tend to promote other authoritarian minds.
12:26:03 PM+InfiniteSpireTwo, power corrupts.
12:26:18 PM+InfiniteSpireFor example, none of us the right to the dialogue of any other person.
12:26:24 PM+Hermaeus_MoraShirakawasuna: that is ambiguous. I want specificity. Name One.
12:26:28 PM+InfiniteSpireNor do we have the right to be treated any particular way by anybody online.
12:26:37 PM+InfiniteSpireHermaeus_Mora: Shirakawasuna is highly intelligent and somewhat intellectual dishonest.
12:26:57 PM+Hermaeus_Moraand I expect it to be a "high crime" as you put it, otherwise I'll take what you say as words from a blithering fool.
12:27:00 PM+InfiniteSpireThey fairly effortlessly shift into frame control as one of their rhetorical practices to supplement their position, for example.
12:27:06 PM+BS_LewisI prefer the opping on Freenode, where you let the Chanserv do all the public dirty work and nobody knows who's issuing the commands
12:27:21 PM+InfiniteSpireBS_Lewis: That seems like a bad system.
12:27:24 PM+InfiniteSpireWhat do you like about it?
12:27:42 PM+InfiniteSpireBS_Lewis: Are you familiar with Naomi Klein?
12:27:45 PM+BS_LewisInfiniteSpire: A bad system for non-ops, yeah.
12:28:14 PM+Hermaeus_MoraInfiniteSpire: and a whole lot of bullying it would seem.
12:28:30 PM+InfiniteSpireHermaeus_Mora: Our species has several terrible patterns at its core.
12:28:32 PM+BS_LewisInfiniteSpire: I know of her. I'm not that familiar with her work.  She has irrational beliefs about GMOs iirc but I could be wrong
12:28:34 PM+InfiniteSpireWe also have some good ones.
12:29:01 PM+InfiniteSpireBS_Lewis: Naomi Klein has stated the best way for a modern state to inflict suffering on the people is to empower midlevel managers/agents with ambiguous powers.
12:29:19 PM+InfiniteSpireAs opposed to, for example, clearer laws that explicitly allow bad behavior.
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12:29:38 PM+InfiniteSpireIn the latter case, there is a better chance of resistance movements to appreciate how corrupt the existing power is.
12:29:46 PM+InfiniteSpireIn the former case, it's just bad apples.
12:30:05 PM+InfiniteSpireNot knowing who is issuing actions is akin to empowering midlevel agents with ambiguous powers.
12:30:20 PM+BS_LewisInfiniteSpire: My freenode comment was facetious.
12:30:22 PM+InfiniteSpireHermaeus_Mora: Shirakawasuna's IQ might be around 140 or so.
12:30:35 PM+Hermaeus_Moraahhh
12:30:37 PM+InfiniteSpireUltimately, I do not think they're mind is sufficiently high quality to justify debate.
12:30:43 PM+Hermaeus_MoraI hear that maxxii guy, his is 100%
12:31:03 PM+InfiniteSpireTheir emotion management is weak once triggered and they experience about a 30 point loss in their functional IQ at that point.
12:31:07 PM+InfiniteSpireI have multiple citations.
12:31:32 PM+InfiniteSpireMy recommendation would be for Shirakawasuna to more fully engage with an external standard of behavior as is provided by religions and philosophies.
12:31:46 PM+Hermaeus_MoraShirakawasuna: I read your garbage article, at what point is any of that a "High Crime"?
12:31:50 PM+InfiniteSpireThis allows people to make statements like, "I was wrong" as they can clearly compare their behavior with the prescribed behavior of the external system.
12:31:56 PM+InfiniteSpireI have never observed Shirakawasuna to do this.
12:32:17 PM+InfiniteSpireHermaeus_Mora: Do you think Donald Trump should be impeached later today?
12:32:26 PM+Hermaeus_MoraShirakawasuna: no I'm asking you to cite a statute that backs up your supposition.
12:33:00 PM+Hermaeus_MoraShirakawasuna: please specify the section in which you refer.
12:33:10 PM+Hermaeus_MoraShirakawasuna: because you can not.
12:33:25 PM+Hermaeus_MoraShirakawasuna: it is impossible for me to look up all of law and determine what you regard as 'high crime'
12:33:47 PM+InfiniteSpireHermaeus_Mora: Would you be interested in an interview with one of the leading American scholars on impeachment?
12:33:52 PM+Hermaeus_MoraI suspect that you're just inept at arguments, and you react with childish petulance when challenged.
12:34:10 PM+InfiniteSpireTheir background is in law, history of the American colonies, and early American history.
12:34:17 PM+Hermaeus_MoraShirakawasuna: I wanted you to back up the nonsense you speak, you have demonstrated that you cannot.
12:34:23 PM+InfiniteSpireTheir views on what constitutes high crimes differs markedly from folk knowledge.
12:34:50 PM+InfiniteSpireThey would care much less about murder, for example, and much more about lying than is believed in folk knowledge.
12:34:51 PM+Hermaeus_MoraI am not obligated to answer your question, as you have failed to satisfy mine.
12:35:07 PM+InfiniteSpireHermaeus_Mora: What is your solution to the infinite betrayal problem in game theory?
12:35:11 PM+Hermaeus_MoraI will not engage in mental gymnastics with you.
12:35:12 PM+InfiniteSpireAs you're currently stuck in one.
12:35:30 PM+InfiniteSpireThe program I ran on Shirakawasuna was tit-for-tat with forgiveness.
12:35:48 PM+InfiniteSpireAfter about three forgiveness rounds over four months, I fundamentally conclude that Shirakawasuna has a sufficiently dishonest mind.
12:35:54 PM+Hermaeus_MoraShirakawasuna: you have failed to cite a high crime, and back it up with a specific statute. There are legal definitions to which you may refer.
12:36:03 PMⓘ Shirakawasuna set mode -v InfiniteSpire
12:36:15 PMInfiniteSpireHermaeus_Mora: You appear unable to engage in two high level debates simultaneously.
12:36:26 PMⓘ Shirakawasuna set mode +m #debates
12:36:36 PM+Hermaeus_MoraInfiniteSpire: no, I am merely uninterested.
12:36:47 PM+Hermaeus_Moraand now you are silenced. So apparently, a threat.
12:37:00 PMInfiniteSpireShirakawasuna: I give you permission to say an infinite number of posts about me featuring any content you desire. My patience with you will never break. I will never advocate for your devoicing or ban. I can manage my emotions.
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