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- user1:
- What I'm saying is that when some things serve no other purpose than convenience, it's perfectly fine to regulate it in a way
- that might "hinder diversity and competition". Because that diversity does nothing but annoy customers,
- and give companies the opportunity to force said customers into giving them a bit more money, through being
- forced to buy the only compatible charger. It just sucks. It has absolutely nothing to do with "innovation".
- user2:
- So is it convenient, or unecessary? Maybe you meant non-essential?
- But then a lot of other things are, but still benefit us in enough way to make it worthwhile.
- It doesn't restrain the free market either, it just shifts the area in which your product differentiates
- itself from your competitor's from the type of cable you need to charge it, to... Well, actual functionality.
- There's tons of secondary limitations like this in place already.
- Sometimes it's fine to get rid of a minuscule insignificant freedom to make things simpler for everyone.
- user3:
- > modifications and design improvements become exponentially more difficult.
- That's half the point. That one manufacturer can't arbitrarily change it and make it
- incompatible with everything else out there already.
- > Imagine, for example, if they'd settled on micro usb type b, or, heck the old Nokia style circular charger, or those stupid Sony flat pressure connectors.
- The EU already standardized on the micro USB connector.
- > Well, we wouldn't have the much more practical type c chargers or whatever could come next.
- Unless the body in charge keeps up with changing standards. Or manufacturers follow in Apple's
- footsteps and provide an adapter[1].
- > I think the government should stay out of technology, period. The government staying out largely until now
- No, the EU ruled on this in 2013. This is just the Swiss codifying it in their local laws.
- > The "environmental" argument presented in the draft is a canard.
- How many “obsolete” adapters have you thrown out since 2013?
- > The same could be said about virtually anything. E.g. "*We're going to mandate a specific
- type of cathode ray tube television which should be good enough™ for anybody.
- Which happened in NTSC, PAL, and SECAM standards. And it's because of that we didn't have manufacturers working
- with individual broadcasters producing proprietary transmissions, like they were before the FCC stepped in.
- And let me tell you, standards are good. I have to deal with like six, seven, eight different kinds of arbitrary
- standards with varying levels of strictness. It's a mess compared to what they have in the EU. EBU R103 is so simple,
- and every piece of gear I've got has a button for it. Compliance is a cakewalk for EBU R103 compared to compliance here
- in the US.
- user:4
- > What could possible go wrong with centrally mandated technology?
- The technology itself is not mandated by EU. It's decided by the industry together.
- EU just presses that the industry togehter agrees on a standard. EU is not saying what
- the standard should be. The industry is free to develop new technology and adopt it, but
- they have to do it together, not everyone developing competing standards.
- This saves consumers and the environment from format wars like Betamax vs. VHS or BluRay vs. HDDVD,
- as the industry is together deveveloping the technology.
- And thus, your analogy to regulation of CRT televisions does not apply, as EU isn't mandating certain technology.
- And in addition, chargers by nature are different from televisions. Chargers are appliances that connect other
- devices to the electric grid. The function of televisions isn't like that. A better analogy would be that every
- television comes with an own extension cable so that you can plug them to the wall, and every TV manufacturer
- has a different format so you cannot re-use the cable for a television by another manufacturer. Or that instead
- of computers and monitors having this common power cord[http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/923/923,1102519656,4/stock-photo-computer-power-cord-56697.jpg] , every manufacturer would use their own.
- user5:
- We already have this in the EU, Switzerland are just joining that ruling.
- The type of charger isn't defined by the EU, just that they are common.
- All the manufactures with the exception of Apple regularly meet and can decided
- what format they want to use and from what date; so far it's been micro USB but
- this is changing to USB-C in the near future. They then inform the EU and everything is good.
- Apple get round this by claiming the iPhone isn't actually a phone but even that is wearing
- thin and they've been told that they need to meet the EU standard in 2017. No-one is sure if
- this means they'll drop the current Apple connector, include an adaptor free of charge with
- all iPhone sales or do nothing and take a chance that the EU won't prevent them selling / using
- the 2017 iPhone model in Europe.
- user6:
- When it comes to EU regulations, the standard is decided by the industry itself, not by EU officials,
- so the EU regulations give the industry the room to develop better technology, but presses that the industry
- must share the standard. That's an impetus for the industry to develop better charging technology together
- instead of everyone developing competing standards.
- This saves consumers and the environment from format wars like Betamax vs. VHS or BluRay vs. HDDVD, as the
- industry is together deveveloping the technology.
- link1:
- http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-09-301_en.htm
- user7:
- This standard was first proposed back when every phone make and model had their own unique charging cable,
- similar to how laptops are today.
- the reason all other manufacturers than Apple all have Micro USB is because of legislation like this.
- EU legislation from 2009 and Chinese legislation from around the same time. We would have 4-5 different
- charger connectors if these legislations had not been in place.
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