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- (The poll was ended by HeaLnDeaL.)
- Poll ended make a flash cap now?
- 1. yes (8 votes)
- 80%
- 2. no (2 votes)
- 20%
- [13:42] Hype-Emerald: What megas are?
- [13:43] Done With MONOTYPE: lol arthur, don't laugh but I still watch that show
- [13:43] #HeaLnDeaL: k, we're making a flash CAP :3
- [13:43] Done With MONOTYPE: :'c
- [13:43] Animaignis: Ubers are banned. All else in OU allowed
- [13:43] %KhosroTheGreat: Hype-Emerald, CAP follows the same rulebook as OU except that necturna is only allowed 1 sketch move
- [13:43] Airwind: what are pokemon banned in cap¡
- [13:43] Airwind: ?
- [13:43] Animaignis: the Uber pokemon
- [13:43] Done With MONOTYPE: ubers
- [13:43] Airwind: only ubers?
- [13:43] +Da Pizza Man: how are we starting
- [13:43] Done With MONOTYPE: it's the same OU banlist with CAPs added
- [13:43] %KhosroTheGreat: [18:43:06] %KhosroTheGreat: CAP follows the same rulebook as OU except that necturna is only allowed 1 sketch move
- [13:43] Hype-Emerald: sorry khosro, I'm not familiar with the rules of game types
- [13:43] +Da Pizza Man: heal how are we doing this
- if you want to apply for FlashCAP TL, say "in" and maybe give a few lines on how you're qualified
- [13:43] Hype-Emerald: im new to competitive
- [13:43] +Da Pizza Man: in
- [13:44] +Da Pizza Man: out
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- [13:44] %KhosroTheGreat: rip
- [13:44] +Sunfished: in, I draw circles with faces
- [13:44] #HeaLnDeaL: there won't be TLT, just easier with TL
- [13:44] +Da Pizza Man: in, i want to be like bugmaniacbob
- [13:44] Airwind: my draw are shit :c
- [13:44] %KhosroTheGreat: in but I'm not sure when I need to leave
- [13:44] Hype-Emerald: In, I draw faces on circles
- [13:44] Hype-Emerald: i seconds airwind
- [13:44] Hype-Emerald: *second
- [13:45] Animaignis: in cause im decent with statish stuff
- [13:45] #HeaLnDeaL: TL = topic leader, which is charge of the competitive stuff
- [13:45] %KhosroTheGreat: heal for tl obvs
- [13:45] Done With MONOTYPE: are we doing flaschcap here?
- [13:45] #HeaLnDeaL: so art stuff won't help you be a TL
- [13:45] #HeaLnDeaL: ye
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- [13:45] Animaignis: we now need a poll for TL :P
- [13:45] Hype-Emerald: Out, I suck at drawing
- [13:45] Done With MONOTYPE: aww we have to type stuff
- [13:45] Animaignis: HeaL or Jas rofl
- [13:45] Done With MONOTYPE: darn
- [13:45] #HeaLnDeaL: jas61292, you wanna run for TL?
- [13:46] • Animaignis for TL \o/ jk i suck at that kind of stuff right now :P
- [13:46] #HeaLnDeaL: so far only KhosroTheGreat and Da Pizza Man are running... I think
- [13:46] #jas61292: Uh.... no. I've had enough being TL for one lifetime.
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- [13:46] +Da Pizza Man: i wasn't running it was a joke
- [13:47] +Da Pizza Man: so only khosro is running
- [13:47] #HeaLnDeaL: oh rip
- [13:47] %KhosroTheGreat: wait why isn't heal running?
- [13:47] #HeaLnDeaL: Coconut, you wanna run?
- [13:47] Ria: What does being a TL involve?
- [13:47] Animaignis: being awesome
- [13:47] Animaignis: and leading the discussion
- [13:48] #HeaLnDeaL: you lead the competitive discussion (concepts, typing, abilities, stats, moves)
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- [13:48] Reapehify: Essentially, being heavily involved in pokemon (and OU).
- [13:48] #HeaLnDeaL: TL will also, this time, decide what meta(s) we're building for, if any at all
- [13:49] +Da Pizza Man: is khosro going to win by default?
- [13:49] +Da Pizza Man: lol
- [13:49] Ria: I see
- [13:49] %KhosroTheGreat: I really don't want to -.-
- [13:49] #HeaLnDeaL: he will if no one else applies
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- [13:49] Ria: that is so not my thing
- [13:49] Ria: lol
- [13:49] %KhosroTheGreat: I thought heal was tl and the in was just for being involved for the flash cap
- [13:49] Reapehify: I don't personally think I have the attributes to lead so I wouldn't bother with it.
- [13:49] %KhosroTheGreat: didn't even know it was about tl
- [13:49] Animaignis: i will run so khosro doesnt have to run alone :P no one vote for me
- [13:50] %KhosroTheGreat: legitimately why isn't heal tl?
- [13:50] +Da Pizza Man: i guess i will run
- [13:50] %KhosroTheGreat: I don't understand
- [13:50] Animaignis: idk
- [13:50] Animaignis: yes DPM join party
- [13:50] +Da Pizza Man: so we got 3 canidates
- [13:50] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean I could try but I'd prolly be bad. and I'd like to give you kids a chance
- [13:50] Animaignis: *2 real canidates*
- [13:50] Animaignis: rofl
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- [13:51] Done With MONOTYPE: o3o
- [13:51] Reapehify: What is Flashcap?
- [13:51] #HeaLnDeaL: KhosroTheGreat, did you still want to run?
- [13:51] %KhosroTheGreat: I guess...
- [13:51] Animaignis: u have to Khosro
- [13:51] +Da Pizza Man: reaphify a cap we do just for fun in a chat like this
- [13:52] Reapehify: Oh.
- [13:52] %KhosroTheGreat: since there is so few other people, I'll do it
- [13:52] Animaignis: like a flash flood, but for CAP :P
- [13:52] Reapehify: Okay. That's cool.
- [13:52] Reapehify: I vote for Khosro. :^)
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- [13:53] Reapehify: And we have a winner! :^)
- [13:53] Animaignis: rofl
- [13:53] #HeaLnDeaL: I'll leave the poll up for a few minutes
- [13:53] %KhosroTheGreat: I'm so proud of myself for not voting for myself :^)
- [13:53] Done With MONOTYPE: o3o
- [13:53] Done With MONOTYPE: a tie e.e
- [13:53] +Da Pizza Man: i don't think any of us voted for ourselves
- [13:54] +Da Pizza Man: i voted for ani
- [13:54] Ria: I voted for myself
- [13:54] Done With MONOTYPE: same
- [13:54] Animaignis: i voted for DPM :P
- [13:54] #HeaLnDeaL: brb
- [13:54] Animaignis: RIP HeaL
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- [13:56] #HeaLnDeaL: back...
- [13:56] #HeaLnDeaL: still a tie :s
- [13:56] %KhosroTheGreat: oh noice
- [13:57] #HeaLnDeaL: Obvious Pooter, you wanna run too, rof
- [13:57] +Da Pizza Man: if it ends a tie justt redo the poll but remove me from it
- [13:57] Obvious Pooter: nop
- [13:57] %KhosroTheGreat: I have little idea how to be a TL
- [13:57] %KhosroTheGreat: sparky
- [13:58] %KhosroTheGreat: why you no TL?
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- Poll ended vote for the flash cap TL!
- 1. KhosroTheGreat (4 votes)
- 44%
- 2. Da Pizza Man (1 vote)
- 11%
- 3. Animaignis (4 votes)
- 44%
- [13:58] Animaignis: have SparkboTTT as TL
- [13:58] +Da Pizza Man: okay
- [13:58] +Da Pizza Man: who voted for me
- [13:58] Animaignis: me \o/
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- [13:58] Done With MONOTYPE: rip khosro
- [13:59] +Da Pizza Man: great another tie
- [13:59] +Da Pizza Man: nvm
- [13:59] %KhosroTheGreat: ay
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- [14:00] #HeaLnDeaL: rof
- [14:00] Ria: lol
- [14:00] %KhosroTheGreat: wow this is clutch
- [14:00] Ria: In the end, ima get FE: Fates
- [14:00] Animaignis: My tie is with Gyaradoses on them :P
- [14:00] Animaignis: Khosro what ur tie look like?
- [14:00] Reapehify: I almost didn't vote. :^)
- [14:00] Animaignis: Is it a bow tie?
- [14:00] +Da Pizza Man: if it ends in another tie i say we flip a coin
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- [14:00] Animaignis: r we doing TLT too?
- [14:00] +Da Pizza Man: no ani
- [14:00] %KhosroTheGreat: no
- [14:00] #HeaLnDeaL: no TLT
- [14:01] %KhosroTheGreat: just TL
- [14:01] Animaignis: interesting
- [14:01] %KhosroTheGreat: what we should do
- [14:01] %KhosroTheGreat: is have another poll but force heal to be in it
- [14:01] +Da Pizza Man: khosro i said we should flip a coin
- [14:01] Xyariax: i have a D20 sitting right next to me :P
- [14:01] Animaignis: /choose Khosro, Animaignis :P
- [14:01] +Da Pizza Man: pretty much
- [14:01] Animaignis: yup
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- [14:01] %KhosroTheGreat: nein, force heal to be in poll
- [14:01] #HeaLnDeaL: I'm scurred
- [14:01] %KhosroTheGreat: take him by the lapels
- [14:01] lightninging2: flash cap anybody
- [14:01] #HeaLnDeaL: force Obvious Pooter to be in the poll imo
- [14:02] Animaignis: vote u scrub vote for khosro :P
- [14:02] Obvious Pooter: i did vote
- [14:02] Done With MONOTYPE: .o.
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- Poll ended vote for the flash cap TL!
- 1. KhosroTheGreat (6 votes)
- 55%
- 2. Animaignis (5 votes)
- 45%
- [14:02] Ria: We'll be gentle, no worries
- [14:02] Animaignis: there we go
- [14:02] #HeaLnDeaL: k, KhosroTheGreat is TL
- [14:02] +Da Pizza Man: khosro wins
- [14:02] Animaignis: grats khosro :P
- [14:02] %KhosroTheGreat: lol thanks guys
- [14:02] +Da Pizza Man: concept now i guess
- [14:02] • %KhosroTheGreat is nervous
- [14:02] Animaignis: Now u gotta lead discussion in an awesome manner o3o
- [14:03] #HeaLnDeaL: first order of TL business is to decide the meta(s) we're building for and to decide how concepts will work (gen4 concepts vs gen5/6 concepts)
- [14:03] %KhosroTheGreat: o.o
- [14:03] +Da Pizza Man: khosro what meta
- [14:03] %KhosroTheGreat: what were gen 4 concepts like?
- [14:03] +Da Pizza Man: khosro simple sentences
- [14:03] +Da Pizza Man: just describing what to do
- [14:03] #HeaLnDeaL: they were more role-based
- [14:03] Animaignis: Can i make a motion to build for the CAP meta? :P
- [14:03] #HeaLnDeaL: like sub-seeder
- [14:03] Animaignis: Pyroak
- [14:04] %KhosroTheGreat: am I allowed to build for CAP?
- [14:04] #HeaLnDeaL: yes
- [14:04] +Da Pizza Man: yes
- [14:04] Animaignis: yaas
- [14:04] %KhosroTheGreat: noice build for CAP using gen 4 concepts
- [14:04] #HeaLnDeaL: aight cool
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- [14:04] +Da Pizza Man: which meta
- [14:04] #HeaLnDeaL: one sec lemme pull up a helpful post for concept stuff
- [14:05] Animaignis: didnt the concept stuff get said as sucky?
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- [14:05] %KhosroTheGreat: Given that it doesn't look like PRC will build for CAP, I couldn't not build for it
- [14:05] Animaignis: lol
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- [14:06] Animaignis: <peer pressure>
- [14:06] Animaignis: khosro u didnt answer what does ur tie look like?
- [14:06] #HeaLnDeaL: we don't have to go with these terms, but these can be helpful for concept submissions: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/an-adjustment-in-direction.3544802/page-2#post-6655163
- [14:06] %KhosroTheGreat: gen 4 concepts sound a little more simple to understand
- [14:06] Animaignis: true.
- [14:06] #HeaLnDeaL: also, we need someone to periodically log this chat
- [14:06] +Da Pizza Man: i will do it
- [14:07] %KhosroTheGreat: thank you dpm
- [14:07] %KhosroTheGreat: How is this going to work? Do I pick concept or do I choose from submitted concepts?
- [14:07] %KhosroTheGreat: or I pick slate
- [14:07] #HeaLnDeaL: people submit concepts, you pick X amount to go to the poll
- [14:07] %KhosroTheGreat: pick slate k
- [14:07] #HeaLnDeaL: you are allowed to submit one if you want to as well
- [14:07] %KhosroTheGreat: oh nice
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- [14:08] #HeaLnDeaL: k, so we're building for CAP, using old-style concepts
- [14:08] • Animaignis submits concept of utilizing a traditionally bad ablity (that is still possible to use competativly, obsz) while having boundaries of flavour (No Wood Hammer cruci, plz) :P
- [14:09] Animaignis: \o/
- [14:09] %KhosroTheGreat: Isn't that a gen 5/6 concept?
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- [14:09] Animaignis: still concept based, isnt it?
- [14:09] %KhosroTheGreat: sounds fun tho
- [14:09] • #HeaLnDeaL submits Power Cleric. Mon with cleric-related supporting roles that still has offensive presence.
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- [14:10] Animaignis: -Mega Altaria- :P still cool
- [14:10] Animaignis: can we make multiple submissions
- [14:10] #HeaLnDeaL: yeah
- [14:10] #HeaLnDeaL: you can make up to three subs
- [14:10] #HeaLnDeaL: (just makes up rules as he goes along)
- [14:10] Animaignis: rofl
- [14:10] • +Deck Knight submits Ultimate Calm Mind. Pokemon capable of utilizing Calm Mind's strong points to their maximum ability.
- [14:11] lightninging2: has CAP made a stallish mon yet?
- [14:11] %KhosroTheGreat: love it
- [14:11] +Da Pizza Man: I set up a pirate pad for the lot
- [14:11] • Animaignis also submits Mold Breaker: Breaking the tradition of roles traditionally played by a typing (similar to stratagem concept)
- [14:11] Animaignis: revenaankh is a bit stallish
- [14:11] #HeaLnDeaL: pyroak too
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- [14:11] +Deck Knight: Tomohawk can stall also
- [14:11] Animaignis: and sometimes malaconda
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- [14:12] • #HeaLnDeaL submits I eat Tomohawk for Breakfast. something designed to drastically impact tomohawk usage.
- [14:12] Animaignis: yaaaas
- [14:12] • +Da Pizza Man submits Jihadist, A mon who is used to explore the role of suicide leads better
- [14:12] • Ria submits Status Expert. A mon that can uses status effects positively for itself or negatively to it's enemies but not amazing if at the same time
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- [14:13] +Da Pizza Man: should i change the name of that concept?
- [14:13] %KhosroTheGreat: these are some really nice submissions
- [14:13] Animaignis: probs fine
- [14:13] Animaignis: maybe not suicide leads, but just self-destruction
- [14:13] +Da Pizza Man: Yeah true
- [14:13] Animaignis: more broad
- [14:13] +Deck Knight: Change it to Workplace Violence, Da Pizza Man
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- The command '/submits' was unrecognized. To send a message starting with '/submits', type '//submits'.
- [14:14] • #HeaLnDeaL submits ultimate hazard control. self explanatory.
- [14:14] • +Da Pizza Man resubmits Workplace Violence, a mon who is used to explore the concept of sele destruction better
- [14:14] +Da Pizza Man: self
- [14:14] • Reapehify submits concept gen 4 Skarm/Bliss. A concept to create a physical wall better able to deal with physical/special split created by gen 4.
- [14:14] • Animaignis submits Entourage: A mon that cooperates with its teammates to a large degree in order to work extremely well. Not useful when alone. (final sub)
- [14:14] Animaignis: or less useful
- [14:14] #HeaLnDeaL: k I've had my 3 subs, can't make any more :3
- [14:14] Done With MONOTYPE: .o.
- [14:15] Animaignis: same bruh
- [14:15] Animaignis: i like submitting this too much :P
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- [14:15] • Animaignis used Substitute (instead of submit)
- [14:15] #HeaLnDeaL: whenever KhosroTheGreat wants to, he can pick 5-8 mconcepts to slate
- [14:15] #HeaLnDeaL: *concepts
- [14:15] %KhosroTheGreat: k I'll wait for a few more
- [14:15] Animaignis: can't only 7 fit in a poll?
- [14:15] #HeaLnDeaL: oh true
- [14:15] %KhosroTheGreat: 9 iirc
- [14:16] %KhosroTheGreat: or not
- [14:16] Makarce: Hello
- [14:16] #HeaLnDeaL: ah
- [14:16] Animaignis: hi
- [14:16] Animaignis: so like, 5-7?
- [14:16] #HeaLnDeaL: let me test
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- [14:16] Animaignis: yayy
- [14:16] #HeaLnDeaL: we can have 8
- [14:16] #HeaLnDeaL: so 5-8
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- 1. 1 (0 votes)
- 0%
- 2. 2 (1 vote)
- 20%
- 3. 3 (0 votes)
- 0%
- 4. 4 (1 vote)
- 20%
- 5. 5 (1 vote)
- 20%
- 6. 6 (0 votes)
- 0%
- 7. 7 (0 votes)
- 0%
- 8. 8 (2 votes)
- 40%
- [14:17] Makarce: Poison pokemon with levitate and all phsically defensive with a high HP but a very poor attack and very very poor Spde
- [14:17] • Animaignis probably shouldnt be eating so many cheez-its >.>
- [14:17] Makarce: ?
- [14:17] JDragon6299: cheez-its???
- [14:17] Done With MONOTYPE: eww e.e
- [14:17] • +Da Pizza Man submits One Trick Pony, a mon who can preform a variety of different roles, but only one at a time
- [14:17] • %KhosroTheGreat submits I <3 SR, a Pokemon which can use Stealth Rock being on its own side to its advantage
- [14:17] • Makarce FUCK OFF
- [14:17] Done With MONOTYPE: they're like square cheese crackers JDragon
- [14:17] Animaignis: dang Khosro got a legit sub tho
- [14:17] Animaignis: legit af
- [14:17] JDragon6299: aaaaaah. I feel this is probs an american thing
- [14:17] #HeaLnDeaL: let's be nice kids
- [14:18] Animaignis: yes it very america
- [14:18] %KhosroTheGreat: ye I have no idea how we're going to achieve that
- [14:18] Flare the Kid: 'MERICA
- [14:18] Flare the Kid: YEAH
- [14:18] Done With MONOTYPE: attack boost +6 when rocks are up :]
- [14:18] Animaignis: :O
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- [14:18] +Deck Knight: Reversal, Khosro
- [14:18] #HeaLnDeaL: yeah tbh I don't know how either, koso.
- [14:18] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean... blah
- [14:18] %KhosroTheGreat: I'mma making the slate
- [14:18] #HeaLnDeaL: maybe like sitrus berry unburden or something
- [14:18] +Deck Knight: Too bad Sub+Reversal is useless with all the priority around.
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- [14:19] +Deck Knight: You could also do Aerilate/Pixilate/Redrigerate Flail
- [14:19] Animaignis: lol
- [14:19] Animaignis: *Return*
- [14:19] %KhosroTheGreat: oh wait do we have custom abilities/moves?
- [14:19] #HeaLnDeaL: no
- [14:19] • Ria submits Underdistributed Move Champion. A Pokemon that can make good use of moves that aren't distributed to many Pokemon, but can be good moves
- [14:19] Animaignis: poll plz ;-;
- [14:19] #HeaLnDeaL: custom things banned
- [14:19] Animaignis: finnnne
- [14:19] Animaignis: ;-;
- [14:19] Ria: and I can't think of anything else lol
- [14:19] %KhosroTheGreat: k that's simpler
- [14:19] +Deck Knight: No Mountaineer or ShadowStrike or PaleoWave guys
- [14:20] Animaignis: Custom abilities r nice is all as long as that isnt only thing being discussed
- [14:20] Ria: or Rebound
- [14:20] +Deck Knight: Indeed
- [14:20] Animaignis: :I
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- [14:20] Done With MONOTYPE: some guy asking for alts smh
- [14:20] • +Da Pizza Man submits Deck Knight, a master at manipulating cap concepts (This one is a joke don't add it)
- [14:20] Animaignis: yup
- [14:20] Animaignis: rofl DPM
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- [14:20] Animaignis: i git dat reference
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- [14:21] +Deck Knight: FlashCAP has been hijacked by Deck Knight.
- [14:21] +Deck Knight: Do not be alarmed.
- [14:21] Animaignis: :P
- [14:21] • Reapehify submits Deck Knight, a master at manipulating cap concepts (not a joke; please add it)
- [14:21] +Deck Knight: I made Cyclohm, so this will all work out.
- [14:21] Animaignis: yus
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- [14:21] #HeaLnDeaL: k, concept subs closed
- [14:21] Animaignis: and cyclohm turned out pretty good in long run :P
- [14:21] #HeaLnDeaL: awaiting koso's slate
- [14:21] %KhosroTheGreat: I think I have my slate
- [14:22] %KhosroTheGreat: just gonna have another look through to check
- [14:22] +Deck Knight: Hasn't even gotten Electroweb or Volt Switch yet.
- [14:22] Animaignis: yy
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- [14:22] Animaignis: Krillo and plasmanta need Volt Switch imo
- [14:22] +Deck Knight: Krilo needs Scald
- [14:22] Animaignis: at least Plasmanta imo
- [14:22] Animaignis: yea that too
- [14:22] Reapehify: Which is why we're doing a movepool study!
- [14:22] Animaignis: yup
- [14:22] Reapehify: http://docdro.id/bMBnmQA
- [14:22] Reapehify: You can check out egg data completed here.
- [14:22] %KhosroTheGreat: do I just make a poll now?
- [14:23] +Da Pizza Man: yes
- [14:23] %KhosroTheGreat: great
- [14:23] Animaignis: mitre fancy stuff u got there Reaper :P
- [14:23] Reapehify: Why thank you.
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- [14:24] Reapehify: I can't take all the praise. Deck Knight did some work and we QC'd each other.
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- Poll Our FlashCAP concept!
- 1. Ani's Using a traditionally bad ability (4 votes)
- 36%
- 2. Heal's I eat Tomo for breakfast (3 votes)
- 27%
- 3. DPM's workplace violence (1 vote)
- 9%
- 4. Ria's undistributed move champion (2 votes)
- 18%
- 5. reaper's gen 4 skarm/bliss (1 vote)
- 9%
- (A poll was started by KhosroTheGreat.)
- [14:24] +Deck Knight: I am Excel Wizard. None Shall Pass!
- [14:24] Reapehify: ^
- [14:24] Animaignis: :P
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- [14:24] Animaignis: dangt i wish i could vote for 2 of them ;-;
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- [14:25] hilling: rfgt
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- [14:25] • Reapehify is the only one to vote for reaper's gen 4 skarm/bliss. :^)
- [14:25] Animaignis: lol
- [14:25] %KhosroTheGreat: lol
- [14:25] #HeaLnDeaL: Animaignis, wut was your ful concept again
- [14:25] • Reapehify is feeling selfish
- [14:25] +Deck Knight: At least he got slated.
- [14:25] Animaignis: [13:08] • Animaignis submits concept of utilizing a traditionally bad ablity (that is still possible to use competativly, obsz) while having boundaries of flavour (No Wood Hammer cruci, plz) :P
- [14:25] %KhosroTheGreat: Sorry everyone who I didn't slate
- [14:26] +Da Pizza Man: oh
- [14:26] +Deck Knight: Sounds like Shield Dust/Static Cyclohm.
- [14:26] +Da Pizza Man: I can't change my vote dammit
- [14:26] Animaignis: lol
- [14:26] #HeaLnDeaL: just say you +1 / -1 pizza
- [14:26] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [14:26] +Da Pizza Man: okay
- [14:26] #HeaLnDeaL: *your
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- [14:27] Animaignis: i find a lot of abilities are just put on Pokemon with stats that dont work, not actually bad abilities
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- [14:27] Animaignis: Like Static and Shield Dust are not inherintly bad, to a degree
- [14:27] +Da Pizza Man: +1 Heal -1 Ani
- [14:27] Reapehify: / pizza man -1 reaper's +1 animaignis' even though he didn't vote reaper.
- [14:27] Reapehify: Lol.
- [14:27] Animaignis: rofl
- [14:27] Reapehify: Apparently he doesn't like you after all.
- [14:27] %KhosroTheGreat: that's clutch dpm
- [14:27] %KhosroTheGreat: that puts heal into the lead
- [14:27] +Da Pizza Man: khosro didn't see the vote change
- [14:28] Reapehify: - reaper + ani
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- [14:28] %KhosroTheGreat: reaper is that a genuine change?
- [14:28] #HeaLnDeaL: we can revote on the top 2 I guess
- [14:28] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [14:28] Reapehify: Yes.
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- [14:28] Animaignis: sure
- [14:28] Done With MONOTYPE: kill the tomos >:c
- [14:28] Reapehify: So now you have to choose between the two.
- [14:28] Reapehify: They're tied, let's revote.
- [14:28] +Da Pizza Man: heal your in the lead now actually
- [14:29] +Da Pizza Man: i -1 ani and +1 heal
- [14:29] Animaignis: lol
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- [14:29] +Da Pizza Man: well i did in the past
- [14:29] Animaignis: clutch tie
- [14:29] Reapehify: And I -1 reaper and +1 ani.
- [14:29] %KhosroTheGreat: Will we get any more votes?
- [14:29] #HeaLnDeaL: it's fine, revoting on top 2 makes sure all voters have their final voice heard
- [14:29] Animaignis: HeaL what color is ur tie?
- [14:29] Animaignis: mine is blue
- [14:29] Reapehify: Sad.
- [14:29] Done With MONOTYPE: o.o
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- [14:29] #HeaLnDeaL: umm my favorite tie is just plain silver
- [14:29] Animaignis: noice
- [14:29] %KhosroTheGreat: I'mma start revote now
- [14:29] Reapehify: The tomo idea is inflated.
- (The poll was ended by KhosroTheGreat.)
- Poll ended Our FlashCAP concept!
- 1. Ani's Using a traditionally bad ability (4 votes)
- 33%
- 2. Heal's I eat Tomo for breakfast (4 votes)
- 33%
- 3. DPM's workplace violence (1 vote)
- 8%
- 4. Ria's undistributed move champion (2 votes)
- 17%
- 5. reaper's gen 4 skarm/bliss (1 vote)
- 8%
- [14:30] Done With MONOTYPE: lol free wins
- [14:30] Done With MONOTYPE: are great :'3
- [14:30] Animaignis: lol
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- [14:30] Done With MONOTYPE: idk if I should mess with this 1621 elo
- [14:30] Animaignis: naw naw
- [14:30] Reapehify: Wait.
- [14:30] Done With MONOTYPE: I either get to like top 10s maybe or tilt
- [14:31] %KhosroTheGreat: Can we have the 2 concepts pasted so ppl can see before they vote?
- [14:31] Reapehify: Doesn't Animaignis win?
- [14:31] #HeaLnDeaL: sure
- [14:31] Animaignis: its 4-4 rite now
- [14:31] +Da Pizza Man: 4-4
- [14:31] Reapehify: Yes, but I voted for you.
- [14:31] Animaignis: not democratic anyways since other votes could be revised
- [14:31] +Da Pizza Man: not counting revotes
- [14:31] #HeaLnDeaL: I eat Tomohawk for Breakfast. something designed to drastically impact tomohawk usage.
- [14:31] +Da Pizza Man: no more revotes
- [14:31] Animaignis: we should probably do another poll
- [14:31] +Sunfished: back
- (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
- (A poll was started by KhosroTheGreat.)
- [14:31] • Animaignis votes for self for once, feels slightly guilty 9_9 :P
- [14:31] %KhosroTheGreat: I eat Tomohawk for Breakfast. something designed to drastically impact tomohawk usage.
- [14:31] • Animaignis feels very guilty
- [14:32] Animaignis: makes tomo more common rofl
- [14:32] %KhosroTheGreat: someone bring ani's concept down
- [14:32] +Deck Knight: OmNomNom
- [14:32] Reapehify: Or boost it up.
- [14:32] +Da Pizza Man: fix the poll
- [14:32] %KhosroTheGreat: utilizing a traditionally bad ablity (that is still possible to use competativly, obsz) while having boundaries of flavour (No Wood Hammer cruci, plz) :P
- [14:32] #HeaLnDeaL: kinda hard to make tomo more common tho
- [14:32] Animaignis: add another Colo :P
- [14:32] Animaignis: except make the colo more OP
- [14:32] %KhosroTheGreat: heal really taking the lead
- [14:32] Animaignis: and then tomo will be on EVERY team \o/
- [14:33] #HeaLnDeaL: if we make it a fairy it can beat up tomo and clohm
- [14:33] Animaignis: yaas
- [14:33] #HeaLnDeaL: and colo
- [14:33] Done With MONOTYPE: kentucky fried tomo
- [14:33] Done With MONOTYPE: o3o
- [14:33] +Da Pizza Man: fix the poll, it says bad concept
- [14:33] Reapehify: Another fairy type does nothing.
- [14:33] Animaignis: i wud eat Kentucky fried tomo
- [14:33] Done With MONOTYPE: same
- [14:33] %KhosroTheGreat: oh oops
- [14:33] Animaignis: and Tom-Os
- [14:33] %KhosroTheGreat: that's a big flaw
- [14:33] #HeaLnDeaL: ye
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- [14:33] Animaignis: XD
- [14:33] +Da Pizza Man: thats probably why heal had such a lead
- [14:33] #HeaLnDeaL: ye
- (The poll was ended by KhosroTheGreat.)
- Poll ended FlashCAP concept vote 2!
- 1. Ani's using a traditionally bad concept (4 votes)
- 33%
- 2. Heal's I eat Tomo for breakfast (8 votes)
- 67%
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- [14:33] %KhosroTheGreat: sorry guys :c
- [14:33] #HeaLnDeaL: revote
- (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
- (A poll was started by KhosroTheGreat.)
- [14:33] Animaignis: lol
- [14:33] Animaignis: that was pretty funny tho :P
- [14:34] %KhosroTheGreat: there we are
- [14:34] Ria: lol
- [14:34] %KhosroTheGreat: much better
- [14:34] %KhosroTheGreat: so much more even
- [14:34] Animaignis: seems much more accurate
- [14:34] JDragon6299: what is this FlashCAP thing???
- [14:34] Animaignis: a quick cap made here
- [14:34] #HeaLnDeaL: a fake CAP made in a few hours
- [14:34] Animaignis: not officially added
- [14:34] Animaignis: a fakefakemon :P
- [14:35] JDragon6299: I see.
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- [14:35] lightninging2: vote 4 ani
- [14:35] Done With MONOTYPE: aight imma go play soccer or something byee e.e
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- [14:35] JDragon6299: peace
- [14:35] • %KhosroTheGreat hopes his slate was good
- [14:35] #HeaLnDeaL: rip vulpix
- [14:35] %KhosroTheGreat: see you vulp
- [14:36] Animaignis: byee
- [14:36] #HeaLnDeaL: and thus the votes slow to a crawl
- [14:36] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [14:36] Animaignis: lol
- [14:36] %KhosroTheGreat: I'mma give a minute and a half and then end it
- [14:36] Animaignis: i think we can safely say HeaL wins this poll :P
- [14:37] Ria: I will be back in a few moments, gonna get FE: Fates
- [14:37] #HeaLnDeaL: 1.5 min sounds good
- [14:37] Animaignis: unless i try to vote with alts :P
- [14:37] Reapehify: I knew he would as soon as he proposed anti-tomohawk.
- [14:37] %KhosroTheGreat: there's enough time for ani to clutch it back
- [14:37] Animaignis: yus exactly 1.5 minutes
- [14:37] Reapehify: That's flat out propaganda.
- [14:37] Animaignis: ^
- [14:37] %KhosroTheGreat: ye it was obvious it was going to be a popular one
- [14:37] Animaignis: rofl and here is how we see we all hate Tomohawk deep inside
- [14:37] #HeaLnDeaL: tbh I likedf my other two concepts more but oh well
- [14:37] Animaignis: lol
- [14:38] %KhosroTheGreat: RIP my slate
- [14:38] %KhosroTheGreat: ending poll
- [14:38] Reapehify: I think Tomohawk is overrated and creating a pokemon isn't going to lessen its usage, unless that pokemon does what Tomohawk does in every way superior to it.
- [14:38] %KhosroTheGreat: feels a bit cruel to end it with the difference so narrow
- [14:38] Reapehify: In other words, it has to be a better Tomohawk. But that doesn't lessen the problem, it worsens it.
- [14:38] #HeaLnDeaL: idk if we have to go that far reaper
- (The poll was ended by KhosroTheGreat.)
- Poll ended FlashCAP concept vote 2!
- 1. Ani's using a traditionally bad ability (6 votes)
- 46%
- 2. Heal's I eat Tomo for breakfast (7 votes)
- 54%
- [14:39] %KhosroTheGreat: gratz to heal
- [14:39] %KhosroTheGreat: what's next?
- [14:39] Animaignis: typing i think
- [14:39] #HeaLnDeaL: concept discussion
- [14:39] +Da Pizza Man: khosro we propose how we do it
- [14:39] %KhosroTheGreat: concept discussion ye
- [14:39] Animaignis: o lol
- [14:39] Animaignis: Ummm good typing that totally shuts it down?
- [14:39] Reapehify: I mean we have plenty of fairy, of ice, and of electric types that can be in the meta to counter it, but the ability for it to switch out and have something else take those hits makes the whole idea of creating an anti-tomohawk pokemon fruitless.
- [14:40] +Da Pizza Man: reaphify it already won
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- [14:40] Animaignis: lol
- [14:40] %KhosroTheGreat: RIP
- [14:40] Reapehify: Yes.
- [14:40] Reapehify: I know.
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- [14:40] Reapehify: Reapehify*
- [14:40] #HeaLnDeaL: I propose a two step approach. A mon that 1) can beat tomo 1 v 1 and 2) a mon that is more viable than tomo is ONE of tomo's roles
- [14:40] Reapehify: And I'm not debating concept discussion.
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- [14:40] Animaignis: So it has to check Colo as one role
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- [14:41] #HeaLnDeaL: *in ONE but yeah
- [14:41] #HeaLnDeaL: one or more I guess, just not all
- [14:41] +Da Pizza Man: we could do a hard counter
- [14:41] Animaignis: I propose a 3 step approach: 1, Give it typing Tomo can barely touch, 2 , give it the means to shut down common teammates to Tomo, and 3 do HeaL's process :P
- [14:41] +Da Pizza Man: but for the most part i agree with heal
- [14:41] %KhosroTheGreat: why would people run it over tomo for step 2 when tomo can do the same role well (albeit not as well) and others, especially with role compression and the like?
- [14:41] Animaignis: technically 5 steps lol
- [14:42] #HeaLnDeaL: well, for example, if it's a better spinner than tomo then it competes with it for the spinner team slot
- [14:42] lightninging2: how bout a good ole psychic type? it could be a utility taunt/encore etc user on the side, maybe as an antilead
- [14:43] #HeaLnDeaL: let's not talk about typing yet, that's next stage
- [14:43] #HeaLnDeaL: concept discussion -> typing -> ability 1 -> stats -> ability 2 -> moves
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- [14:43] +Da Pizza Man: if we want to check team mates
- [14:43] %KhosroTheGreat: I would argue that people may still run tomo because tomo can still spin and he can haze/set up rocks/baton pass etc.
- [14:44] Animaignis: it doesnt run Bton pass
- [14:44] #HeaLnDeaL: well, maybe stepping on more than one of tomo's roles would be necessary
- [14:44] Animaignis: It will get run anyways because it gets Prankster
- [14:44] #HeaLnDeaL: I just think it's unhealthy to step on them all, or almost all of them
- [14:44] Animaignis: ^
- [14:44] +Da Pizza Man: tomo's three most common teamates are mega metagross, krillowatt, and colossoil
- [14:45] Animaignis: I know a type that stops them all to some extent
- [14:45] Animaignis: But... lets not poll jump yet :P
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- [14:45] %KhosroTheGreat: If we're going to step on tomo's roles, then which ones are we going to step on?
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- [14:46] Animaignis: I vote we step on the Baton Pass role
- [14:46] %KhosroTheGreat: Also, we should be careful not to create a better tomo
- [14:46] Animaignis: or Haze
- [14:46] +Da Pizza Man: I'm kinda thinking rain setter role
- [14:46] Animaignis: well, we wont be giving it Prankster probs
- [14:46] Reapehify: Likely rapid spin and rock setting. That is inhibited in the same type often times, and leaves the unique role of hazing/baton pass to Tomohawk.
- [14:46] +Da Pizza Man: not sure
- [14:46] Animaignis: I like Rain Setter role focus
- [14:46] Animaignis: That would be neat
- [14:47] Animaignis: We can't really make a better Tomo tho as we aren't giving it prankster
- [14:47] %KhosroTheGreat: IMO one of the main reasons people like using tomo so often
- [14:47] #HeaLnDeaL: I think we should step on tomo's offensive role a bit too, but idk... it's hard to find a perfect combination we all agree on
- [14:47] lightninging2: ^^^
- [14:47] Animaignis: ^^^
- [14:47] Reapehify: Which aspect of his offensive role, HeaL?
- [14:47] +Da Pizza Man: ^
- [14:47] Animaignis: I vote Colo check :P
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- [14:47] #HeaLnDeaL: well, hurricane spam is tomo's most offensive aspect
- [14:47] %KhosroTheGreat: is because it can check so many different physical attackers well
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- [14:48] +Da Pizza Man: so a hurricane spammer?
- [14:48] Reapehify: That's true, but it has the ability to earth power and hit electric types; while alternatively it has aura sphere for ice types.
- [14:48] %KhosroTheGreat: tomo's coverage sets it apart
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- [14:48] #HeaLnDeaL: maybe just "better" coverage than tomo
- [14:48] Reapehify: It would be good if we could maybe we could focus on the broad things it does good and make them better.
- [14:49] #HeaLnDeaL: + step on one or two more roles
- [14:49] Reapehify: Leaving it with niche roles.
- [14:49] +Deck Knight: Generally the mon should be able to A: Ruin Tomo's Day B: Frustrate its attempts to grab momentum, C: otherwise have weaknesses so it isn't always prefereed.
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- [14:49] +Da Pizza Man: deck's approach is pretty good
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- [14:49] Animaignis: ye
- [14:49] #HeaLnDeaL: grabbing it's momentum seems a bit vague
- [14:49] #HeaLnDeaL: in what ways?
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- [14:50] %KhosroTheGreat: Maybe we should look at how tomo grabs momentum in the first place?
- [14:50] #HeaLnDeaL: I guess fast taunt could mess with tomo
- [14:50] Reapehify: To me that means being specially gifted and not being phased by its utility options.
- [14:50] %KhosroTheGreat: Outside of flat out baton pass
- [14:50] Animaignis: I like DPM's Rain Setter, and check certain things Tomo tries to check better
- [14:51] Reapehify: A rain setter would only help hurricane spam.
- [14:51] Animaignis: Keep in mind we cant beat it with status, as it has Taunt
- [14:51] #HeaLnDeaL: setting rain makes tomo's own hurricane more powerful tho
- [14:51] +Deck Knight: Something part Ghost blocks Spin, and is immune to Aura Sphere.
- [14:51] Animaignis: so? What if its now weak to hurricane?
- [14:51] +Da Pizza Man: heal more accurate
- [14:51] %KhosroTheGreat: woah OK
- [14:51] #HeaLnDeaL: more deadly
- [14:51] %KhosroTheGreat: let's keep it focused
- [14:52] #HeaLnDeaL: basically wut Reapehify said
- [14:52] lightninging2: magic bouncer could mess with tomo's prankster abuse
- [14:52] +Deck Knight: Yup.
- [14:52] #HeaLnDeaL: let's not talk about abilities or stats or moves yet
- [14:52] Reapehify: I was thinking that but it's not ability time.
- [14:52] %KhosroTheGreat: If we're going to stop tomo from grabbing momentum, what does it do currently that gains momentum and how do we stop it from doing these things?
- [14:52] Reapehify: Priority utility.
- [14:53] #HeaLnDeaL: ^
- [14:53] Animaignis: Prankster drypass
- [14:53] +Da Pizza Man: ^
- [14:53] +Da Pizza Man: ninja'd
- [14:53] Animaignis: intercept \o/
- [14:53] +Da Pizza Man: so this cap would need to combat against priority utility
- [14:53] #HeaLnDeaL: so either be immune to the utility or make it risky for it to use utility?
- [14:53] Reapehify: In order to stop priority utility you have two options: negate utility altogether or make it irrelevant.
- [14:53] Animaignis: out-prankster it :P
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- [14:54] Reapehify: How would you make it risky to use the utility?
- [14:54] +Deck Knight: MB seems like a better catch-all.
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- [14:54] #HeaLnDeaL: also keep in mind tomo's prio roost is huge, so being able to hit it for SE after roosting is good too
- [14:54] %KhosroTheGreat: How does one make utility irrelevant and/or risky?
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- [14:54] JDragon6299: are we undergoing some kind of election rn???
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- [14:54] %KhosroTheGreat: No we're doing a flashcap jd
- [14:54] %KhosroTheGreat: this is concept discussion
- [14:54] #HeaLnDeaL: tomo's biggest prio utility moves are roost, haze... and what else?
- [14:54] #HeaLnDeaL: taunt?
- [14:54] %KhosroTheGreat: stealth rock
- [14:55] +Deck Knight: SR, and Drypass
- [14:55] Reapehify: Making it irrelevant would be having a pokemon that doesn't care for the utility. So in this case, Tomohawk's utility is haze, substitute, and rocks.
- [14:55] #HeaLnDeaL: roost, haze, taunt, SR, baton pass
- [14:55] Animaignis: yea
- [14:55] +Deck Knight: There's also the Prankster Toxic Stall set, though how prevalent that is I don't know
- [14:55] Reapehify: A pokemon that doesn't run stat boosts, can pierce subs and isn't typing crippled by rocks is how.
- [14:55] +Da Pizza Man: ^
- [14:55] Animaignis: That one isnt very common now deck
- [14:55] Animaignis: seen as too cancerous
- [14:55] #HeaLnDeaL: so we're not a set up sweeper (avoid haze)
- [14:55] Reapehify: ^
- [14:55] Animaignis: ye
- [14:55] Animaignis: and we can't rely on status
- [14:56] +Deck Knight: Well, you could if you had Infiltrator.
- [14:56] Reapehify: And due to prankster roost we need brute force.
- [14:56] Animaignis: and we have to be strong enough to do over 50% damage, preferable at least 75%
- [14:56] +Deck Knight: But Tomo would probably switch out.
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- [14:56] Animaignis: so then we need to check the switch-ins too
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- [14:56] Animaignis: to some extent
- [14:56] #HeaLnDeaL: not activating helmet is nice
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- [14:56] Animaignis: or at least Threaten them
- [14:56] Reapehify: Yes, which is why we need to be specially inclined, HeaL.
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- [14:57] Animaignis: yup
- [14:57] %KhosroTheGreat: How are we going to deal with sr and taunt?
- [14:57] #HeaLnDeaL: or physically with moves that don't have contact... but those are rare
- [14:57] +Da Pizza Man: Like i said earlier, tomo's 3 most common team mates are mega metagross, krillowatt, and colossoil
- [14:57] Animaignis: we can't do much about SR
- [14:57] %KhosroTheGreat: Magic Bounce is the obvious solution, any alternatives?
- [14:57] #HeaLnDeaL: if we have offensive pressure, taunt doesn't both us a ton
- [14:57] Reapehify: Typing.
- [14:57] Animaignis: I vote no Magic Bounce
- [14:57] +Deck Knight: Or are named Stone Miss and priority Roost makes them resisted.
- [14:57] Animaignis: thats the easy answer out
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- [14:57] #HeaLnDeaL: *bother
- [14:57] Reapehify: Typing is the #1 counter to rocks.
- [14:57] Reapehify: Well, outside of Magic Bounce.
- [14:58] Reapehify: And Magic Guard.
- [14:58] +Da Pizza Man: and regenerator
- [14:58] #HeaLnDeaL: !dt aroma veil
- • Aroma VeilProtects user/allies from Attract, Disable, Encore, Heal Block, Taunt, and Torment.
- •
- [14:58] Animaignis: *poll jumping*?
- [14:58] +Deck Knight: As far as Tomo, if we forced it to have to run Earth Power would that be a win?
- [14:58] #HeaLnDeaL: ye poll jumping crazy
- [14:58] +Da Pizza Man: we arendefiently poll jumping
- [14:58] Animaignis: What if we could resist Earth Power, Aura Sphere, and Hurricane?
- [14:58] #HeaLnDeaL: point is, we have multiple abilities that can work, so the direction is not overly specific
- [14:58] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [14:59] Animaignis: keep in mind we don't have to all all all around check all of Tomo's roles
- [14:59] Animaignis: so we can leave SR
- [14:59] +Da Pizza Man: ani that is possible but there is inly one type that can do that
- [14:59] Animaignis: yes
- [14:59] #HeaLnDeaL: does tomo know heat wave?
- [14:59] %KhosroTheGreat: it does
- [14:59] Animaignis: yes
- [14:59] Animaignis: but it doesnt run it
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- [14:59] +Da Pizza Man: !learn tomohawk, heat wave
- In Gen 6, Tomohawk can learn Heat Wave from:
- • anywhere (all moves are level-up/tutor/TM/HM in gen 6)
- [14:59] Reapehify: But it could.
- [14:59] %KhosroTheGreat: very often
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- [14:59] %KhosroTheGreat: it actually also has prankster sun
- [15:00] Animaignis: since Aura Sphere hits Ferrothorn fine, and Metagross threatens too much
- [15:00] Animaignis: so not much else for Heat Wave tho
- [15:00] Reapehify: I think forcing it to run heat wave would be a win.
- [15:00] Animaignis: same
- [15:00] #HeaLnDeaL: true
- [15:00] %KhosroTheGreat: OK, do I make a closing post or something like that?
- [15:00] Reapehify: Since it's so conditional it would create 4mss.
- [15:00] Animaignis: yus plz
- [15:00] #HeaLnDeaL: yeah, declare our direction, koso
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- [15:01] %KhosroTheGreat: the pressure tho
- [15:01] #HeaLnDeaL: Obvious Pooter, wanna help us make a tomo killer
- [15:01] Animaignis: <no pressure>
- [15:01] %KhosroTheGreat: carry on talking while I'm writing up
- [15:01] Obvious Pooter: fairy type!
- [15:01] Reapehify: It's gen 4.
- [15:01] #HeaLnDeaL: we're wrapping up concept discussion right now, typing is next
- [15:01] Reapehify: Is fairy allowed?
- [15:01] +Da Pizza Man: reaphify its gen 6
- [15:01] #HeaLnDeaL: no we can have gen 6 types
- [15:01] Animaignis: Fairy type doesnt resist Hurricane tho
- [15:01] #HeaLnDeaL: gen 6 mechanics, etc
- [15:02] +Da Pizza Man: we just did the concepts gen 4 style
- [15:02] Animaignis: I think Hurricane is most important resist
- [15:02] Reapehify: It resists Aura Sphere.
- [15:02] Reapehify: Oh, okay.
- [15:02] Animaignis: And Air Slash
- [15:02] Reapehify: I thought it was gen 4 which is why I went Skarm/Bliss. XD
- [15:02] +Da Pizza Man: same type
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- [15:02] +Deck Knight: Elec/Flying is SR weak, but resists AS, Hurricane, and EP.
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- [15:03] Animaignis: thats what i was thinking
- [15:03] +Da Pizza Man: poll jumper
- [15:03] #HeaLnDeaL: let's not get too far into typing yet
- [15:03] Animaignis: didnt we just end this stage?
- [15:03] YOGSCAST Mikey: you knows bombing the universe?
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- [15:03] Animaignis: So isnt typing next?
- [15:03] #HeaLnDeaL: should only be a few minutes before koso is ready
- [15:03] +Da Pizza Man: ani yes
- [15:03] +Da Pizza Man: just wait till khoso is ready
- [15:04] Animaignis: Choice Scarf tomo if real :P jk
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- [15:04] YOGSCAST Mikey: da pizza man its been a wile
- [15:05] Animaignis: its been like 1 minutes dude 9_9
- [15:05] Flare the Kid: 1 minutes.
- [15:05] Animaignis: lol
- [15:05] Animaignis: RIP spelling :P
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- [15:05] YOGSCAST Mikey: yes but...
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- [15:07] • #HeaLnDeaL tries to whistle
- [15:07] YOGSCAST Mikey: sssooooo has anyone seen bombing the universe?
- [15:08] • Animaignis can whistle
- [15:08] %KhosroTheGreat: ok
- [15:08] Animaignis: useful skillz
- [15:08] %KhosroTheGreat: It's not amazing but http://pastebin.com/dYKBrRPD
- [15:08] • %KhosroTheGreat hopes he did OK
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- [15:09] Animaignis: seems legit
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- [15:09] #HeaLnDeaL: sounds cool
- [15:09] #HeaLnDeaL: we all ready for typing?
- [15:09] Reapehify: Seems like it.
- [15:09] +Da Pizza Man: yes
- [15:09] %KhosroTheGreat: Typing discussion
- [15:10] YOGSCAST Mikey: /ph Lilligant
- [15:10] %KhosroTheGreat: perhaps we should start with tomo's coverage?
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- [15:10] Reapehify: I have one question, first.
- [15:10] %KhosroTheGreat: and also perhaps we may want a STAB that beats fighting
- [15:10] #HeaLnDeaL: fighting, flying, ground, and maaaaaybe fire, but that one's not important
- [15:10] +Da Pizza Man: toyrs reaphify
- [15:10] AkyroTheVoid: I think a fairy & ghost type would be best against tomohawk. just my 2 cents.
- [15:10] • Animaignis afk
- [15:10] Animaignis: I would like to propose Electric and Flying Type. Could eat up Flying and Fighting type moves, be immune to Colo's ground moves/Earth Power, and also be able to check common teammates like Krillowatt (to some extent)
- [15:10] Animaignis: yusss
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- [15:11] Obvious Pooter: we don't want to be weak to any of flying/fighting/ground
- [15:11] Jack Ferry: hi all
- [15:11] +Da Pizza Man: akyro reasoning
- [15:11] Obvious Pooter: and a resist to flying would be really nice
- [15:11] +Da Pizza Man: hi jack
- [15:11] Reapehify: So is ghost relevant at all? In that I mean, are we looking to stop Tomohawk from spinning or is ghost type an anchor?
- [15:11] #HeaLnDeaL: if it's faster than kril to avoid kril's ice beam, then it's too fast and takes damage fromo colo's eq (assuming roost)
- [15:11] Ria: I have returned
- [15:11] Ria: What is the topic about right now?
- [15:11] Reapehify: Typing.
- [15:11] %KhosroTheGreat: Typing 1
- [15:11] %KhosroTheGreat: wait not 1
- [15:12] %KhosroTheGreat: just typing
- [15:12] Jack Ferry: tfw only pizza notices you
- [15:12] Reapehify: So is ghost type in play for spin block?
- [15:12] #HeaLnDeaL: hi jack
- [15:12] AkyroTheVoid: tomo has no poison or steel type moves to take out a fairy type & ghost type blocks fighting & normal type moves such as aura sphere and rapid spin.
- [15:12] Jack Ferry: to late now
- [15:12] #HeaLnDeaL: we;re making a flash cap that eats tomo for breakfast
- [15:12] %KhosroTheGreat: I think ghost type has merits, as its immune to aura sphere and rapid spin
- [15:12] Jack Ferry: flashcap is back
- [15:12] Reapehify: So do I.
- [15:12] lightninging2: ghost/fairy?????
- [15:12] Ria: Yeah I know the concept, just wondering what part was up to
- [15:12] Jack Ferry: i got it why dont we take tomo
- [15:12] #HeaLnDeaL: typing
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- [15:13] Jack Ferry: and push it somewhere else
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- [15:13] Jack Ferry: honestly an elec type probably wou
- [15:13] #HeaLnDeaL: ghost fairy is neutral to flying, which might be a bad selling point
- [15:13] Jack Ferry: ld do well
- [15:13] Reapehify: I propose ghost/ice type. Attempting to force Tomohawk to run Heat Wave to kill, sacrificing its utility and lowering its usage.
- [15:13] #HeaLnDeaL: but ghost/fairy could still work
- [15:13] Jack Ferry: electric flying probs would be best
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- [15:13] Jack Ferry: resist tomo in everyway
- [15:14] #HeaLnDeaL: what does ghost ice do that ghost fairy doesn't
- [15:14] +Da Pizza Man: but its weak to sr
- [15:14] AkyroTheVoid: ^
- [15:14] Cap God Blawado: hey , why is focusblastr better than bugbuzz on this moth thingy
- [15:14] Reapehify: It provides a weakness in Heat Wave that forces potential move slot syndrome potential.
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- [15:14] %KhosroTheGreat: So we've had ghost, electric, fairy and flying as potential typings, perhaps we should look at possible common tomo partners and how we should pair these typings?
- [15:15] +Da Pizza Man: khosro
- [15:15] Jack Ferry: cap god do you mean aurumoth
- [15:15] Cap God Blawado: yes
- [15:15] +Da Pizza Man: this is the third time i said this
- [15:15] +Deck Knight: Fairy/Electric resists Aura Sphere and Hurricane, and isn't weak to SR. It it weak to RP though.
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- [15:15] Ria: No Guard I'm assuming
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- [15:15] Cap God Blawado: i mean
- [15:15] +Da Pizza Man: the 3 most common partners for tomo are mega metagross, krillowatt, and colossoil
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- [15:15] Cap God Blawado: all the things it could hit are dark anyways
- [15:15] Jack Ferry: buzz bug and focus blast have thier uses
- [15:15] %KhosroTheGreat: I know, so go discuss them
- [15:16] Cap God Blawado: against what matchup focusblast is good ß
- [15:16] Cap God Blawado: ?
- [15:16] %KhosroTheGreat: and now you're not poll jumping when you talk about possible typing to check them
- [15:16] #HeaLnDeaL: ground hurts kril and gross
- [15:16] Animaignis: We need the flying resist.
- [15:16] Reapehify: Anything that resists flying is weak to earth power or hurricane.
- [15:16] +Deck Knight: From Usage in Jan: Teammates above 5% are Slowbro, Ferrothorn, Mega-Meta, Cyclohm, Jirachi, and Volkraken.
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- [15:16] Animaignis: Electric-Fairy like Deck said could work
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- [15:16] +Da Pizza Man: reaphify not if its part flying
- [15:17] Reapehify: Yes, but that's the only way.
- [15:17] Cap God Blawado: thanks for the help... <-<
- [15:17] Animaignis: I still thick Electric-Flying would be nice
- [15:17] +Da Pizza Man: deck i used 1630
- [15:17] +Da Pizza Man: what did you use
- [15:17] AkyroTheVoid: electric/fairy sounds like a good option too.
- [15:17] +Deck Knight: 1760
- [15:17] Reapehify: Shots fired.
- [15:17] +Da Pizza Man: lol
- [15:17] Animaignis: We might need Levitate if other typing tho, depending on the stats
- [15:18] +Da Pizza Man: most of tomos partners are weak to ground, but at the same time tomo is immune to it
- [15:18] #HeaLnDeaL: idk this is a close one.. I think I like fairy ghost... ghost lets it beat gross, and fairy can beat colo... but being weak to knock off is scary
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- [15:18] Animaignis: But it is not resisting Hurricane
- [15:18] Animaignis: baaaad idea
- [15:18] %KhosroTheGreat: fairy/ghost is neutral, heal
- [15:18] Reapehify: Which is fine.
- [15:18] #HeaLnDeaL: ye it is
- [15:18] %KhosroTheGreat: oh that's the point
- [15:18] %KhosroTheGreat: I see
- [15:18] Animaignis: It should be able to switch into Tomo all around
- [15:18] +Deck Knight: Elec/Flying has the advantage of also threatening most of Tomo's teammates. Mega-Meta can hit it with Ice Punch but really hates para. The rest have fairly neural matchups.
- [15:18] #HeaLnDeaL: idk, electric fairy is cool too. I think we can still survive EP well
- [15:19] Animaignis: I still vote Electric-Flying
- [15:19] %KhosroTheGreat: let's not vote anything until the actual votes lol
- [15:19] AkyroTheVoid: I think Fairy/Ghost or Fairy/Electric would be the best options.
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- [15:19] Candle Jerk: Steel/Electric
- [15:19] #HeaLnDeaL: EP is common, but at least tomo doesn't get STAB on it.
- [15:20] #HeaLnDeaL: steel / electric makes EP a sizable prollum tho
- [15:20] Animaignis: Because it can easily eat an Ice Beam from Krillo, depending on SpD, or it can predict to dodge Colo EQ
- [15:20] %KhosroTheGreat: So, Electric/Flying is already existant as Zapdos, why does zapdos not eating tomo up in CAP already?
- [15:20] Ria: From what I'm seeing
- [15:20] Ria: Fairy, Electric, and Flying are the three main types
- [15:20] Animaignis: Because Zapdos can't deal with Colo
- Coverage for Flying:
- Super Effective: Bug, Fighting, Grass
- Neutral: Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Water
- Resists: Electric, Rock, Steel
- Immunities: None
- [15:20] Animaignis: It has electric moves, no flying STAB, and Heat Wave.
- [15:21] DrapionSwing: /ban KhosroTheGreat 1hour Change your name to KhosroTheGrandad
- [15:21] Animaignis: lol
- [15:21] #HeaLnDeaL: Steel/Flying?
- [15:21] %KhosroTheGreat: lol drap
- [15:21] Lakiro: water/bug. Good typing
- [15:21] +Deck Knight: If CAP had Hurricane Soil wouldn't want to mess with it I don't think. Really hates Confusion.
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- [15:21] Animaignis: Hi Tada
- [15:21] %KhosroTheGreat: that's a bit luck-dependant
- [15:21] Reapehify: So we're not going to worry about rock weakness/
- [15:21] Animaignis: i vote no
- [15:21] Reapehify: Is what I'm hearing.
- [15:21] DrapionSwing: You have to get the confusion
- [15:21] Animaignis: teammates can deal with rocks
- [15:21] DrapionSwing: And then get the selfharm
- [15:22] +Deck Knight: True, I also don't think people use Rain-Tomo with Soil.
- [15:22] Animaignis: true.
- [15:22] Reapehify: That doesn't make it deal with tomohawk all around though, if it's weak to rocks.
- [15:22] #HeaLnDeaL: steel flying hates kril but is decent vs gross. resists hurricane.
- [15:22] Reapehify: I like Steel/Flying.
- [15:22] +Da Pizza Man: same
- [15:22] Reapehify: That's my preferable flying type.
- [15:22] DrapionSwing: Can someone link me to the Cap 22 thing
- [15:22] Candle Jerk: A better Eelektross
- [15:22] DrapionSwing: Where people post there ideas
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- [15:22] DrapionSwing: I forgot the name
- [15:22] %KhosroTheGreat: not up yet iirc
- [15:22] AkyroTheVoid: I mean, if your worried about hurricane, we could always give it good Special Defense when we get to determining it's stats. I think Fairy/Ghost could work if we do that.
- [15:23] #HeaLnDeaL: hmm atm I like fairy/electric, fairy/ghost, flying/steel, and flying/eletric
- [15:23] Animaignis: or Ground/Flying with good SpD
- [15:23] DrapionSwing: Are we talking about potential Cap 22 stats and typing?
- [15:23] +Da Pizza Man: no
- [15:23] Jack Ferry: ice elect?
- [15:23] Ria: No
- [15:23] Reapehify: Similarly I like Fairy/Ice as given the proper ability, it would put Tomohawk in the odd position of running Heat Wave.
- [15:23] +Da Pizza Man: flash cap
- [15:24] %KhosroTheGreat: no drap, this is flashcap
- [15:24] #HeaLnDeaL: no, we're making a falsh cap
- [15:24] %KhosroTheGreat: which eats tomo for breakfast
- [15:24] #HeaLnDeaL: *flash
- [15:24] DrapionSwing: What's flash cap?
- [15:24] +Deck Knight: Fairy/Ice is neutral to Aura Sphere and Hurricane
- [15:24] Animaignis: I dislike Steel/Flying a bit because i feel it will either end up lookiing like Cawm or Skarm
- [15:24] Jack Ferry: a "play " cap
- [15:24] Animaignis: Fairy/Ice would be neat.
- [15:24] Reapehify: Ice deals with Colossoil while Ghost deals with Metagross and Slowbro.
- [15:24] DrapionSwing: a play cap?
- [15:24] Jack Ferry: like we make up a quick cap
- [15:24] Ria: Just going thru the steps in the chat
- [15:24] #HeaLnDeaL: well we'll likely be a special steel flying, so idk
- [15:24] %KhosroTheGreat: deck knight why do we need the ice typing if we have fairy already?
- [15:24] Animaignis: a fakefakemon
- [15:24] Ria: Won't be added to the server or anything
- [15:24] DrapionSwing: Ohh
- [15:24] Jack Ferry: it never goes anywhere
- [15:24] DrapionSwing: I get it
- [15:24] +Deck Knight: I didn't suggest Ice/Fairy
- [15:24] +Deck Knight: I was criticizing it
- [15:24] DrapionSwing: Can we have a poison dark scorpion cap?
- [15:24] Reapehify: I suggested Ice/Ghost.
- [15:25] Animaignis: That could be neat
- [15:25] Animaignis: I like Ice/Ghost
- [15:25] DrapionSwing: Fairy fire would be cool
- [15:25] %KhosroTheGreat: Should I wrap it up, HeaLnDeaL?
- [15:25] Animaignis: except it is still weak to SR tho, but idk if that can be avoided
- [15:25] +Da Pizza Man: so Khosro do we have a slate or do we need more time
- [15:25] Reapehify: Probably create a pool, Khosro.
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- [15:25] Reapehify: poll*
- [15:25] #HeaLnDeaL: hmm fairy/fire seems interesting
- [15:25] DrapionSwing: Animaignis we're meant to be not weak to sr?
- [15:25] Animaignis: Yes fill up a pool we can have swim party
- [15:26] Animaignis: no it was just considered Drapion
- [15:26] Animaignis: we can be weak to SR
- [15:26] #HeaLnDeaL: ugh this will be a REALLY tough poll
- [15:26] Reapehify: It would be preferable.
- [15:26] Reapehify: I wish we could get two votes.
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- [15:26] DrapionSwing: Fairy fire potentially scares some big threats in cap with the fairy typing and that fire typing hitting noicely through some odd things
- [15:26] Animaignis: true @ HeaL
- [15:26] DrapionSwing: HeaLnDeaL didn't you list 4 alreayd?
- [15:26] Animaignis: Earth Power and Colo tho
- [15:26] DrapionSwing: already*
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- [15:27] Animaignis: u would have to outspeed and OHKO both
- [15:27] #HeaLnDeaL: fire makes fire not metagross bait
- [15:27] +Da Pizza Man: fairy/fire isn't a bad idea, but not sure
- [15:27] #HeaLnDeaL: *makes fairy not metagross bait
- [15:27] Animaignis: Im not sure about it tho
- [15:27] #HeaLnDeaL: tbh I'm not sure on any typing
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- [15:27] Animaignis: ye
- [15:27] DrapionSwing: lol I don't even know what we're aiming to do I just name something to beat colo and tomo and added fire for cawm so it doesn't get free switches
- [15:28] +Da Pizza Man: drapion http://pastebin.com/dYKBrRPD
- [15:28] #HeaLnDeaL: the concept is Tomo killer, the direction is ^
- [15:28] Animaignis: Im still like Ice/Ghost tho it can threaten pretty well, but Metagross's Bullet Punch would hurt
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- [15:28] AkyroTheVoid: fairy seems like a must as tomo has no poison or steel moves. for the second typing, either electric or ghost seems best imo, but that's just me.
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- [15:29] DrapionSwing: To prevent tomo from gaining momentum eh?
- [15:29] %KhosroTheGreat: what should slate size be approx?
- [15:29] Animaignis: Idk about Fairy only because it has Metagross as a partner
- [15:29] #HeaLnDeaL: blah I think we might have reached a stalemate. poll time I guess
- [15:29] Animaignis: yus
- [15:29] Hype-Emerald: Ooh, somebody I haven't met before!
- [15:29] %KhosroTheGreat: like 1-4 or 5-8?
- [15:29] #HeaLnDeaL: 5-8 options for poll 1, poll 2 has top 3
- [15:29] Hype-Emerald: hello drapion
- [15:29] +Da Pizza Man: khosro up to you, usually 4-6
- [15:29] DrapionSwing: WAITR
- [15:29] DrapionSwing: Before we do one can I say 1 last thign
- [15:30] +Da Pizza Man: heal unless there is a vast majority on one option
- [15:30] #HeaLnDeaL: if you hurry
- [15:30] DrapionSwing: I forgot
- [15:30] DrapionSwing: I put myself under too much pressure :(
- [15:30] #HeaLnDeaL: then no you cannot say one last thing
- [15:30] DrapionSwing: xD , and Hello Hype-Emerald
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- [15:30] Animaignis: RIP Drapion :P
- [15:30] Candle Jerk: oh we're talking about a poke to beat Tomo?
- [15:30] #HeaLnDeaL: aight, we're ready for the poll when you are KhosroTheGreat
- [15:30] Ria: Yep
- [15:30] DrapionSwing: Ground psychic!
- [15:30] DrapionSwing: I did it
- [15:31] Candle Jerk: Fairy/Water
- (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
- (A poll was started by KhosroTheGreat.)
- [15:31] #HeaLnDeaL: ground psychic makes us colo bait
- [15:31] lightninging2: cmon fairy/ghost lets get some new typing combos in here
- [15:32] Animaignis: ;-; cant decide between ghost/flying and electric/flying
- [15:32] DrapionSwing: Doesn't 95% of ground mons get a fighting move
- [15:32] Animaignis: true
- [15:32] Animaignis: not that percent
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- [15:32] Ria: Like Brick Break
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- [15:32] DrapionSwing: But a fair amount get fighting coverage
- [15:32] Animaignis: but lots of ground types at least get Brick Break or Superpower
- [15:32] Candle Jerk: 95% of anything gets Fighting moves
- [15:32] Animaignis: lol
- [15:32] Reapehify: Looks like time for poll #2.
- [15:32] Ria: If you wanna count Rock Smash lol
- [15:32] DrapionSwing: But then it's a 50/50 which makes it very chance oriented.
- [15:33] %KhosroTheGreat: 9 votes is a bit low when we have 50 users on
- [15:33] Animaignis: Rock Smash pro coverage :P
- [15:33] DrapionSwing: Khos I'm deciding :(
- [15:33] %KhosroTheGreat: deciding what?
- [15:33] DrapionSwing: on what to pick
- [15:33] Reapehify: You have to remember how many decided before. Active users are probably closer to 16.
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- [15:33] %KhosroTheGreat: yeah, I was saying to have more time
- [15:34] %KhosroTheGreat: before iirc 12-15 people voted
- [15:34] Reapehify: Roughly.
- [15:34] %KhosroTheGreat: but a few more people came in
- [15:34] Animaignis: lol
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- [15:35] %KhosroTheGreat: I'll give it a bit more time, let's say 2-3 mins max.
- [15:35] CantGreggMe: :I fairy/electric
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- [15:35] DrapionSwing: KhosroTheGreat what happens after 2-3mins?
- [15:35] CantGreggMe: theres no fairy-fire
- [15:35] CantGreggMe: :/
- [15:36] Ria: After 2-3 minutes, that poll ends and another comes up with more refind options
- [15:36] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [15:36] DrapionSwing: All-in-all what happens with all of this?
- [15:36] CantGreggMe: Pls no fairy/electric
- [15:36] CantGreggMe: please
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- [15:36] %KhosroTheGreat: because?
- [15:36] #HeaLnDeaL: why not, gregg
- [15:36] DrapionSwing: Does HeaLnDeaL do the cheeky slide to the council? ;P
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- [15:37] #HeaLnDeaL: ?
- [15:37] DrapionSwing: You know they old pass and secret
- [15:37] DrapionSwing: The old wishy washy
- [15:37] Ria: Pretty much it's a fun chat experience
- [15:37] #HeaLnDeaL: there is no council, there is no cheeky slide
- [15:37] Ria: This won't be added as a Pokemon anywhere
- [15:37] %KhosroTheGreat: I think he's talking about TLT?
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- [15:38] %KhosroTheGreat: alright been 3 minutes
- [15:38] DrapionSwing: Tbh Ria I think that this should at least be taken into consideration
- [15:38] #HeaLnDeaL: time for poll 2
- [15:38] %KhosroTheGreat: we have a draw for 3rd place
- [15:38] #HeaLnDeaL: just top 2
- [15:38] %KhosroTheGreat: drap did you make up your mind?
- [15:38] %KhosroTheGreat: OK
- [15:38] Ria: I don't make the rules aha
- (The poll was ended by KhosroTheGreat.)
- Poll ended What typing for our FlashCAP?
- 1. Fairy/Ghost (3 votes)
- 25%
- 2. Ghost/Flying (1 vote)
- 8%
- 3. Electric/Flying (2 votes)
- 17%
- 4. Steel/Flying (1 vote)
- 8%
- 5. Fairy/Electric (3 votes)
- 25%
- 6. Fairy/Fire (2 votes)
- 17%
- [15:38] DrapionSwing: Yee I did ^_^
- [15:39] #HeaLnDeaL: oh... umm
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- [15:39] DrapionSwing: Tie between Fairy ghost and Fairy electric
- [15:39] #HeaLnDeaL: I guess top 3
- [15:39] DrapionSwing: Top 4*
- [15:39] #HeaLnDeaL: oh eait
- [15:39] #HeaLnDeaL: *eait
- [15:39] #HeaLnDeaL: *wait
- [15:39] #HeaLnDeaL: top 2
- [15:39] DrapionSwing: lol
- [15:39] Ria: eat* ;)
- [15:39] DrapionSwing: ^
- Poll What typing for our FlashCAP?
- 1. Fairy/Ghost (8 votes)
- 73%
- 2. Fairy/Electric (3 votes)
- 27%
- (A poll was started by KhosroTheGreat.)
- [15:39] #HeaLnDeaL: ugh
- [15:39] #HeaLnDeaL: this is a really hard decision
- [15:39] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [15:39] DrapionSwing: I think fairy ghost
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- [15:39] Reapehify: Wasn't hard for me.
- [15:40] #HeaLnDeaL: ghost means spin block, electric means resist hurricane
- [15:40] DrapionSwing: At least it doesn't allow metagross
- [15:40] CantGreggMe: fiary-gost would have only 2 weakness
- [15:40] CantGreggMe: fairy*
- [15:40] Ria: I made my totally unbiased choice
- [15:40] Reapehify: I want to avoid Earth Power more than Hurricane resistance.
- Fairy/Ghost:
- Weaknesses: Ghost, Steel
- Resistances: Bug
- Immunities: Dragon, Fighting, Normal
- [15:40] DrapionSwing: SHIT
- [15:40] DrapionSwing: I VOTED FOR FAIRY ELECTRIC
- [15:40] Ria: Misclicked?
- [15:40] DrapionSwing: :(
- [15:40] %KhosroTheGreat: it's OK we can move it across
- [15:40] DrapionSwing: oh
- [15:40] DrapionSwing: lmao
- [15:40] %KhosroTheGreat: also watch your caps plz
- [15:40] +Deck Knight: Went for the block
- [15:40] Animaignis: I went for Fairy/Ghost since it would be cooled :I
- [15:40] DrapionSwing: Sowwy khos
- [15:40] Animaignis: cooler*
- [15:40] +Da Pizza Man: khosro i thought we said no to that
- [15:41] #HeaLnDeaL: wow, looks like a landslide
- [15:41] DrapionSwing: Who chose Fairy Electric, I wanna know their thought process
- [15:41] Candle Jerk: don't look at me, I voted of Kodos
- [15:41] %KhosroTheGreat: I haven't chosen yet o.o
- [15:41] Reapehify: No to what?
- [15:41] Ria: I wonder if I'm the only one that thinks of Pink Lemonade when I see Fairy/Electric
- [15:41] Animaignis: hmm wonder which one is gonna win this :P
- [15:41] +Da Pizza Man: revotes
- [15:41] Animaignis: yes pink lemonade for dayz
- [15:41] +Deck Knight: I think of Pikachu clones
- [15:41] DrapionSwing: I think of Fairy Electric types.
- [15:42] Animaignis: rofl
- [15:42] Ria: Dedenee! I forgot all about that thing
- [15:42] Reapehify: I think of Dedenne.
- [15:42] Animaignis: lol
- [15:42] CantGreggMe: I think of defensive dedenne
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- [15:42] #HeaLnDeaL: Sunfished
- [15:42] %KhosroTheGreat: Poll finished in 1 min
- [15:42] DrapionSwing: someone highlight me for the next discussion pls
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- [15:43] +Da Pizza Man: next is checks and counters
- [15:43] +Da Pizza Man: iirc
- [15:43] #HeaLnDeaL: ye but it will go super super fast
- [15:43] #HeaLnDeaL: since our concept defines it a ton
- [15:44] %KhosroTheGreat: k
- [15:44] %KhosroTheGreat: poll ending now
- (The poll was ended by KhosroTheGreat.)
- Poll ended What typing for our FlashCAP?
- 1. Fairy/Ghost (8 votes)
- 62%
- 2. Fairy/Electric (5 votes)
- 38%
- [15:44] %KhosroTheGreat: fairy/ghost is our typing
- [15:44] #HeaLnDeaL: so fairy ghost wins?
- [15:44] Animaignis: yayy
- [15:44] #HeaLnDeaL: k
- [15:44] %KhosroTheGreat: I guess
- [15:45] Candle Jerk: I shall call it Tidus
- [15:45] #HeaLnDeaL: I'll go tell the art room. Sunfished, Sunfished, Sunfished
- [15:45] Animaignis: Sunfish gotta git some draws
- [15:45] %KhosroTheGreat: git draw
- [15:45] %KhosroTheGreat: lol
- [15:45] Animaignis: :P
- [15:45] +Da Pizza Man: next up, checks and counters
- [15:45] %KhosroTheGreat: m-meta
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- [15:45] %KhosroTheGreat: if we don't outspeed
- [15:45] Animaignis: :o
- [15:46] Animaignis: o shat
- [15:46] %KhosroTheGreat: hits SE, but so do we
- [15:46] +Da Pizza Man: meta does a very good job at checking us if we are outsped
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- [15:46] +Sunfished: oh hii
- [15:46] Ria: Hiya
- [15:46] %KhosroTheGreat: !coverage fairy/ghost
- No type or move 'fairy/ghost' found.
- [15:46] +Sunfished: oh you're done?
- [15:46] Animaignis: the Sunfish \o/
- [15:46] DrapionSwing: Depends on if we have any phys bulk
- [15:46] %KhosroTheGreat: oops
- [15:46] Animaignis: /coverage fairy, ghost
- [15:46] +Da Pizza Man: !coverage fairy, ghost
- Coverage for Fairy + Ghost:
- Super Effective: Dark, Dragon, Fighting, Ghost, Psychic
- Neutral: Bug, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Rock, Steel, Water
- Resists: None
- Immunities: None
- [15:46] Animaignis: only resisted by normal types,
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- [15:47] +Da Pizza Man: not even
- [15:47] DrapionSwing: Its defo not a defensive typing
- [15:47] +Sunfished: what are the stats, if you guys did that?
- [15:47] DrapionSwing: And it's immune to normal is it not?
- [15:47] Animaignis: nope
- [15:47] Ria: Not up to stats yet
- [15:47] %KhosroTheGreat: !weak fairy/ghost
- Fairy/Ghost:
- Weaknesses: Ghost, Steel
- Resistances: Bug
- Immunities: Dragon, Fighting, Normal
- [15:47] +Da Pizza Man: sunfished we just finished typing
- [15:47] %KhosroTheGreat: stats not done yet Sunfished
- [15:47] +Sunfished: oh
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- [15:47] CantGreggMe: lots of immunities
- [15:47] CantGreggMe: which is good
- [15:47] %KhosroTheGreat: jirachi and cawm are major steel types in CAP
- [15:47] Ria: (good thing Aegislash is banned)
- [15:47] DrapionSwing: KhosroTheGreat before we can give it a counter etc can we have stats first?
- [15:47] %KhosroTheGreat: no
- [15:48] +Da Pizza Man: drapion that goes latter
- [15:48] DrapionSwing: And offensive or defensive roll?
- [15:48] +Da Pizza Man: again latter
- [15:48] DrapionSwing: 0_0
- [15:48] Animaignis: .-.
- [15:48] DrapionSwing: So I'm just going type wise here?
- [15:48] +Da Pizza Man: yes
- [15:48] %KhosroTheGreat: pretty much
- [15:48] DrapionSwing: why not put this at the end XD
- [15:48] Animaignis: Cawm sweep \o/
- [15:48] Animaignis: always refreshing
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- [15:49] #HeaLnDeaL: seems like scizor should be able to beat us up
- [15:49] %KhosroTheGreat: depending on speed, movepool and bulk, major steel and poison types such as Cawmodore, M-Meta, Cruci, Jirachi, Ferrothorn and Scizor beat us
- [15:49] DrapionSwing: And bish
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- [15:49] Animaignis: yea Scizor gonna murder
- [15:50] +Da Pizza Man: poison types not really
- [15:50] Animaignis: And Jirachi, depending on speed
- [15:50] +Da Pizza Man: we have ghost stab for them
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- [15:50] %KhosroTheGreat: still weak to poison
- [15:50] Reapehify: Poison takes neutral damage so Cruci shouldn't be considered for typing alone.
- [15:50] +Da Pizza Man: khosro ghost resists poison
- [15:50] Animaignis: ^
- [15:50] +Da Pizza Man: do its neutral
- [15:50] +Da Pizza Man: so
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- [15:50] %KhosroTheGreat: depr
- [15:50] %KhosroTheGreat: *derp
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- [15:50] CantGreggMe: which leaves steel
- [15:50] Reapehify: Crucibelle raw strength would be a concern but it is for most.
- [15:50] #HeaLnDeaL: I think we should attempt to not be total caw bait
- [15:51] #HeaLnDeaL: since tomo isn't
- [15:51] +Da Pizza Man: we are weak to steel and ghost
- [15:51] Animaignis: yes lets not make more cawm bait
- [15:51] Reapehify: Which portion is this?
- [15:51] Reapehify: Stats?
- [15:51] #HeaLnDeaL: checks/counters
- [15:51] +Da Pizza Man: reaphify checks and counters
- [15:51] Reapehify: Oh, okay.
- [15:51] %KhosroTheGreat: *Ghost and Steel types such as Cawmodore, M-Meta, Jirachi, Ferro, Zor, Kitsunoh and Necturna
- [15:52] Reapehify: Shouldn't the viability list be consulted for threats, for starters?
- [15:52] CantGreggMe: we check dark types
- [15:52] DrapionSwing: << best dark type
- [15:52] %KhosroTheGreat: vr is slightly old iirc but it probably still works
- [15:52] Reapehify: How could you be forgetting Gengar?
- [15:52] DrapionSwing: But not relevant to this meta sadly
- [15:52] Reapehify: Or Alakazam?
- [15:53] CantGreggMe: atleast we beat m-sableye
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- [15:53] %KhosroTheGreat: colo means gengar has lowered usage
- [15:53] %KhosroTheGreat: same with ala
- [15:53] Animaignis: ye
- [15:53] Reapehify: Still a threat.
- [15:53] %KhosroTheGreat: true
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- [15:53] Reapehify: Gengar has Hypnosis and Destiny Bond, plus Disable/Protect.
- [15:53] %KhosroTheGreat: but those are the major CAP threats I saw from looking at teambuilder
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- [15:53] Jack Ferry: I feel like ghost fairy wouldn't like necturna or kitsunoh
- [15:53] Jack Ferry: but meh
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- [15:54] +Da Pizza Man: our typing doesn't reslly have us be directly countered by anything
- [15:54] DrapionSwing: Doesn't chancey give this mon some trouble?
- [15:54] CantGreggMe: not really
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- [15:54] +Da Pizza Man: it could
- [15:54] Reapehify: Yes, likely.
- [15:54] #HeaLnDeaL: other than like scizor, dpm
- [15:54] +Da Pizza Man: yeah
- [15:54] CantGreggMe: can seismic toss hit ghost?
- [15:54] Reapehify: We have to go special side for tomo and chansey would be a wall.
- [15:54] Reapehify: No.
- [15:54] DrapionSwing: Chancy can come in
- [15:54] DrapionSwing: And do what it wants realisticly
- [15:54] DrapionSwing: I doubt a play rough will do anything
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- [15:54] Animaignis: :I
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- [15:54] Reapehify: It could toxic.
- [15:55] %KhosroTheGreat: do we have to go onto the special side for tomo?
- [15:55] +Da Pizza Man: khosro not nessecarly
- [15:55] %KhosroTheGreat: I don't see why we couldn't just have Play Rough?
- [15:55] Reapehify: Given most sets run physically with rocky helmet, it's preferable.
- [15:55] #HeaLnDeaL: would help, but not needed
- [15:55] Reapehify: It hits Tomohawk on his weak side.
- [15:55] +Da Pizza Man: plus there is no good physical ghost stab
- [15:55] Reapehify: Making him less bulky, and more vulnerable.
- [15:55] DrapionSwing: Play rough means shitty ghost stab tho
- [15:55] DrapionSwing: unless mixed.
- [15:56] Animaignis: i think mixed would be neat
- [15:56] +Deck Knight: Go special. The only thing Chansey can do is Toxic us
- [15:56] +Da Pizza Man: why are we doing stats?
- [15:56] Reapehify: I agree.
- [15:56] +Deck Knight: We're immune to SToss
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- [15:56] Reapehify: Stats determine checks/counters, without directly talking numbers.
- [15:56] +Da Pizza Man: oh
- [15:56] CantGreggMe: what about scylant :0
- [15:56] +Da Pizza Man: syclant isn't an issue
- [15:56] +Da Pizza Man: at all
- [15:56] #HeaLnDeaL: k, scizor beats us. what else do we want to beat us? besides tomo, what else do we really want to kill? simple as that
- [15:56] %KhosroTheGreat: colo
- [15:57] #HeaLnDeaL: so we want to beat tomo and colo
- [15:57] +Da Pizza Man: we want to beat tomo partners
- [15:57] Candle Jerk: Megagross
- [15:57] +Da Pizza Man: ^
- [15:57] %KhosroTheGreat: so mega meta and krill
- [15:57] Animaignis: metagross, krillowatt
- [15:57] Animaignis: colo
- [15:57] #HeaLnDeaL: tomo, colo, megagross, krill.
- [15:57] +Deck Knight: Metagross is a mutual check since it's Ghost weak
- [15:57] CantGreggMe: masically we need some type of fire type
- [15:57] Reapehify: I think the typing covers all psychic/dark/fighting types.
- [15:57] CantGreggMe: basically*
- [15:57] Jack Ferry: its hard to beat tomo and everything it brings as back-ups
- [15:57] DrapionSwing: Isn't mega loupunny basically like m-meta?
- [15:57] +Da Pizza Man: anything we want to be beat by
- [15:57] DrapionSwing: Oh
- [15:58] DrapionSwing: nvm
- [15:58] +Deck Knight: Oddly, we actually resist Lopunny's Fighting STAB even with Scrappy.
- [15:58] Reapehify: Things that are anti Tomohawk?
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- [15:58] CantGreggMe: scarf excadrill will be a problem
- [15:58] Animaignis: true
- [15:58] %KhosroTheGreat: If we have decent spd, we may be able to wall krill by bulk and a lack of weakness to anything
- [15:58] DrapionSwing: I think stall in general will just beat this mon.
- [15:58] Reapehify: We still haven't discussed Cawmodore.
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- [15:58] %KhosroTheGreat: We said we shouldn't be bait to it
- [15:58] Animaignis: ^
- [15:58] Reapehify: Yes so Shadow Ball is good enough?
- [15:58] Jack Ferry: oo what about naviathan
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- [15:59] Animaignis: :I
- [15:59] Candle Jerk: what about naviathan
- [15:59] +Deck Knight: Couple answers to that - Strong Shadow Balls, Will-o-Wisp, etc.
- [15:59] Reapehify: That's true.
- [15:59] Jack Ferry: navi is a strong non-burnable steel type
- [15:59] Reapehify: It could be a great answer.
- [15:59] Reapehify: It likes rain with Tomohawk.
- [15:59] +Deck Knight: Naviathan should probably be a check. Not much we can do to it and both CM and DD can be problematic.
- [16:00] Animaignis: ^
- [16:00] Reapehify: That sounds like a great place to start, then.
- [16:00] +Deck Knight: I'm honestly fine with Navi doing that - it shares an Elec weak with Tomohawk and is one of the lesser used CAPs.
- [16:00] %KhosroTheGreat: Don't want to get onto moves but whether or not we have will-o-wisp will mean whether or not we can check physical types in general
- [16:00] Ria: Yeah
- [16:01] %KhosroTheGreat: *pokes
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- [16:01] Reapehify: Heatran would be a problem for us.
- [16:01] CantGreggMe: mega-venu is a problem
- [16:01] CantGreggMe: but i prob wouldnt see one of those
- [16:01] +Deck Knight: Heatran is also a solid check. It already has a good AV set, so no sense trying to beat it I don't thing.
- [16:01] +Deck Knight: *think
- [16:01] Animaignis: raikou would be really good in CAP if not for Colo :I
- [16:02] CantGreggMe: im actually using specs raikou
- [16:02] #HeaLnDeaL: yeah, heatran, navi, scizor all seem like exellent checks/maybe counters
- [16:02] Animaignis: ye
- [16:02] Reapehify: Oddly Pyroar would be great against us.
- [16:02] %KhosroTheGreat: we could give it a weak knock off to annoy tran
- [16:02] Animaignis: tu
- [16:02] +Da Pizza Man: somebody will need to take over the chat log for me
- [16:02] Animaignis: tru*
- [16:02] Jack Ferry: hahahaha pyroar
- [16:02] +Da Pizza Man: because i need to go soon
- [16:02] #HeaLnDeaL: pyroar is mostly physically def, so a strong shadowball can still hurt it
- [16:02] Reapehify: Where are you at, Pizza man?
- [16:02] Jack Ferry: heal
- [16:02] %KhosroTheGreat: *pyroak
- [16:02] +Deck Knight: Pyroar is immune to Shadow Ball
- [16:02] #HeaLnDeaL: it's k Deck Knight, I've been logging to
- [16:03] DrapionSwing: Yo
- [16:03] #HeaLnDeaL: oh sorry, meant Pyroak
- [16:03] +Da Pizza Man: reap last thing i havenis [16:01] CantGreggMe: but i prob wouldnt see one of those
- [16:03] Jack Ferry: silly heal
- [16:03] Reapehify: Yeah, Pyroar is immune to to Shadow ball and resists fairy type.
- [16:03] Reapehify: Okay.
- [16:03] #HeaLnDeaL: pyroar is strash, don't worry about it
- [16:03] #HeaLnDeaL: *trash
- [16:03] Jack Ferry: if this mon existed pyroar would become more used
- [16:04] #HeaLnDeaL: not really
- [16:04] Jack Ferry: w can run magmar and meowth in cap
- [16:04] Animaignis: lol
- [16:04] CantGreggMe: l0l
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- [16:04] Jack Ferry: I don't exclude anything anymore
- [16:04] Jack Ferry: i main ninjask
- [16:04] #HeaLnDeaL: so, KhosroTheGreat, we good here?
- [16:04] Reapehify: I have up to 16:00:39, now, Da Pizza Man.
- [16:05] %KhosroTheGreat: Kitsunoh's STABs also beat us
- [16:05] Reapehify: Yes.
- [16:05] %KhosroTheGreat: but it's weak to S-ball
- [16:05] Jack Ferry: unless we happen to outspeed
- [16:05] Reapehify: It depends on speed.
- [16:05] Animaignis: ye
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- [16:05] Jack Ferry: also if we do go wisp
- [16:05] Jack Ferry: kit wont be as bad
- [16:05] +Da Pizza Man: Kitsunoh
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- [16:05] %KhosroTheGreat: revenankh after a boost or two may trouble us too
- [16:05] FullMetalDragon276: nickname for tomohawk?
- [16:06] %KhosroTheGreat: temehawk, altair, meta part 1
- [16:06] Animaignis: meta part 1 is best one
- [16:06] Jack Ferry: imo name it s-rank
- [16:06] Candle Jerk: Eddie Murphy
- [16:06] %KhosroTheGreat: Ferro too
- [16:07] CantGreggMe: wonder what we will call this thing
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- [16:07] %KhosroTheGreat: OK, onto the next part
- [16:07] %KhosroTheGreat: Ability 1 iirc
- [16:07] +Da Pizza Man: primary ability
- [16:07] #HeaLnDeaL: post the checks and counters into a pastebin pls
- [16:07] %KhosroTheGreat: on it
- [16:07] #HeaLnDeaL: thanks
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- [16:08] FullMetalDragon276: I prefer protect over fake out for colossoil
- [16:08] Reapehify: So it's a bunch of Steel/Ghost types then, essentially?
- [16:08] #HeaLnDeaL: k, primary abilities... we mentioned magic bounce before, so let's start talking
- [16:09] Animaignis: I vote no blatantly great ability like Magic Guard/Bounce
- [16:09] Candle Jerk: Prankster?
- [16:09] #HeaLnDeaL: magic guard isn't blatantly great
- [16:09] %KhosroTheGreat: http://pastebin.com/2q6Bkh47
- [16:09] %KhosroTheGreat: Did I miss anything?
- [16:09] #HeaLnDeaL: and I think it's hard to deny the magic bounce messes with tomo
- [16:09] Ria: eh, I really don't know about Prankster
- [16:09] Reapehify: Magic Guard would help us wall Chansey.
- [16:09] #HeaLnDeaL: nope, missed nothing
- [16:10] Animaignis: What about Adaptability?
- [16:10] CantGreggMe: magic guard would be perfect tbh
- [16:10] Animaignis: take advantage of great STAB combo
- [16:10] #HeaLnDeaL: adaptability could help a lot tbh
- [16:10] CantGreggMe: no toxic from tomo
- [16:10] CantGreggMe: or willow from sableye
- [16:10] Animaignis: or Immunity
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- [16:10] Candle Jerk: Well if it's made faster then Tomo, then you can taunt any of it's decent support moves
- [16:10] #HeaLnDeaL: immunity sounds really weak for an ability
- [16:10] %KhosroTheGreat: can we have list of banned ablities?
- [16:11] #HeaLnDeaL: but tomo can taunt our taunt
- [16:11] Candle Jerk: not if it's faster
- [16:11] Reapehify: Does Clear Body prevent stat reductions from Haze?
- [16:11] +Deck Knight: Oblivious prevents Taunt from taking effect.
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- [16:11] #HeaLnDeaL: banned abilities are legendary exclusive abilities + shadow tag
- [16:11] Candle Jerk: plus defeatist and traunt
- [16:11] #HeaLnDeaL: and huge power
- [16:11] #HeaLnDeaL: and fur coat
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- [16:12] Animaignis: Bulletproof?
- [16:12] #HeaLnDeaL: not banned
- [16:12] %KhosroTheGreat: Magic Bounce, Magic Guard, Regen, Aroma Veil were suggested previously
- [16:12] Animaignis: It protects against Shadow Ball, and Aura Sphere i think
- [16:12] #HeaLnDeaL: we're immune to sphere
- [16:12] Animaignis: Or Anayltic to take advantage of Prankster
- [16:12] Ria: Ah, I like Aroma Veil
- [16:12] Animaignis: ah yea
- [16:12] %KhosroTheGreat: protecting a ghost type from shadow ball is slightly broken
- [16:12] %KhosroTheGreat: or could be broken
- [16:12] Animaignis: true
- [16:12] Reapehify: It's kind of hilarious.
- [16:12] Animaignis: Maybe Adabtability tho
- [16:13] #HeaLnDeaL: aroma veil's main use is stopping taunt... but idk... we can beat tomo without stopping taunt, too
- [16:13] Animaignis: What about Guts to discourage status?
- [16:13] #HeaLnDeaL: if we're likely special, guts doesn't help. not saying we are special, but...
- [16:14] Animaignis: ooo how about Marvel Scale?
- [16:14] Ria: eh
- • Marvel ScaleIf this Pokemon is statused, its Defense is 1.5x.
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- [16:14] Animaignis: discourages status, boosts Special Defense
- [16:14] Candle Jerk: I think it's important to stop moves like Roost, Haze, Healing Wish, Memento, etc.
- [16:14] #HeaLnDeaL: boosts def, not sp def
- [16:14] %KhosroTheGreat: boosts phys def
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- [16:14] Ria: I like the ability, but that won't stop really stop Tomo from doing Tomo things
- [16:14] +Da Pizza Man: how can we do that with ability though
- [16:14] #HeaLnDeaL: clear body stoped haze
- [16:14] #HeaLnDeaL: *stops
- [16:14] #HeaLnDeaL: or not
- [16:15] +Deck Knight: If we're doing anti-status go with Poison Heal. Tomo's only status is Toxic, which it rarely uses, but it does show up on stall teams and PH ruins that.
- [16:15] #HeaLnDeaL: I can't remember... haze is a weird move
- [16:15] %KhosroTheGreat: it doesn't heal
- [16:15] %KhosroTheGreat: iirc
- [16:15] Animaignis: I think no on Poison Heal. idk
- [16:15] +Deck Knight: PH also means Chansey can Thunder Wave I guess and nothing else.
- [16:15] sooperpotatoe: Are we working on a new mon or wrapping up crucibelle?
- [16:15] #HeaLnDeaL: making a flash cap
- [16:15] %KhosroTheGreat: it's a flashcap
- [16:15] #HeaLnDeaL: unofficial mon
- [16:16] sooperpotatoe: gotcha
- [16:16] Reapehify: Hustle and Justified are possible ideas for balanced boosted attack.
- [16:16] #HeaLnDeaL: I kinda like Poison Heal, but it is quite good
- [16:16] Animaignis: lol I just realized Serence Grace would be really cool
- [16:16] Animaignis: 60% chance of lowered SpA moonplast
- [16:16] Animaignis: 40% chance lowered SpD Shadow Ball
- [16:16] +Deck Knight: Tomo wouldn't like that very much
- [16:16] Animaignis: exactly
- [16:16] #HeaLnDeaL: pixelate + hyper voice or something breaks tomo's sub
- [16:16] +Deck Knight: Hyper Voice bypasses Sub already
- [16:17] +Da Pizza Man: if we want to do that
- [16:17] Animaignis: And metagross wouldn't appreciate having its SpD lowered on a switch
- [16:17] %KhosroTheGreat: tbh moonblast with or without serene grace
- [16:17] +Da Pizza Man: We could do infiltrator too
- [16:17] #HeaLnDeaL: but hyper voice is normal and tomo doesn't care
- [16:17] Animaignis: Or on the other side, Sheer Force
- [16:17] +Deck Knight: You suggested Pixilate HV
- [16:17] Animaignis: ^
- [16:17] #HeaLnDeaL: well pixelate is what makes tomo care
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- [16:18] Animaignis: ehh im iffy on Pixilate
- [16:18] #HeaLnDeaL: just throwing things around
- [16:18] %KhosroTheGreat: oblivious also means we can't be confus haxed
- [16:18] %KhosroTheGreat: by hurricane
- [16:18] Reapehify: Sounds like we pretty much have agreed on special stats.
- • ObliviousThis Pokemon cannot be infatuated or taunted. Gaining this Ability cures it.
- •
- [16:18] +Da Pizza Man: oblivous doesn't block confuse
- [16:18] Reapehify: At least offensively.
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- [16:18] CantGreggMe: how about synchronize
- [16:18] +Da Pizza Man: only infatuation and taunt
- [16:19] Reapehify: Own Tempo does.
- [16:19] %KhosroTheGreat: oh
- [16:19] Ria: ooh
- [16:19] Animaignis: i still think Sheer Force or Serence Grace might be neat
- [16:19] %KhosroTheGreat: derped while looking at numel
- [16:19] Ria: Synchronize seems pretty cool
- [16:19] Reapehify: Serene Grace would be cool.
- [16:19] Animaignis: why do we need Confuse block?
- [16:19] #HeaLnDeaL: atm I'm leaning towards adaptability.
- [16:19] +Deck Knight: Synchronize is terrible.
- [16:19] %KhosroTheGreat: why do we need adap?
- [16:19] Animaignis: Great STAB combo
- [16:19] Animaignis: lemme se something real quick
- [16:19] #HeaLnDeaL: helps us beat up gross in particular
- [16:19] Animaignis: brb
- [16:19] +Deck Knight: Our goal is beat T-Hawk, not become Akuma.
- [16:20] %KhosroTheGreat: akuma?
- [16:20] +Da Pizza Man: akuma
- [16:20] +Da Pizza Man: from street fighter
- [16:20] Jack Ferry: <# hitmonlee
- [16:20] Jack Ferry: ~<3
- [16:20] Ria: lol
- [16:20] +Deck Knight: All Mah References.
- [16:20] #HeaLnDeaL: poison heal is cool, but we have to compensate a lot
- [16:21] #HeaLnDeaL: makes chansey useless too
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- [16:21] Reapehify: Yeah.
- [16:21] +Deck Knight: Death to the blobs!
- [16:21] +Da Pizza Man: i have a weird idea
- • Aroma VeilProtects user/allies from Attract, Disable, Encore, Heal Block, Taunt, and Torment.
- •
- [16:21] +Da Pizza Man: prankster
- [16:21] Animaignis: Shadow Ball still doesnt dent much :I
- [16:21] Ria: What about... Download?
- [16:21] Animaignis: no Prankster imo
- [16:21] +Da Pizza Man: yeah
- [16:21] Animaignis: Download would be entertaining :P
- [16:21] #HeaLnDeaL: gale wings imo
- [16:21] Animaignis: XD
- [16:21] +Da Pizza Man: gale wings -_-
- [16:21] Animaignis: Aerilate if real o3o
- [16:21] Reapehify: Lol.
- [16:22] +Da Pizza Man: we aren't part flying
- [16:22] +Deck Knight: Hrrrm
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- [16:22] Animaignis: we shud have Aerilate :P
- [16:22] +Deck Knight: Let's give it Drought. It makes Hurricane have 50% Acc.
- [16:22] +Da Pizza Man: i was thinking that
- [16:22] #HeaLnDeaL: !dt hurricane
- • Hurricane Power
- 110Accuracy
- 70%PP
- 1630% chance to confuse target. Can't miss in rain.
- •
- Priority | Gen: 5 | ✓ Secondary effect | Target: Any Pokémon
- [16:22] Animaignis: >.>
- [16:22] +Da Pizza Man: but then i said nah
- [16:22] CantGreggMe: if real we get rattled
- [16:22] %KhosroTheGreat: back
- [16:23] Reapehify: I like Serene Grace as our primary ability.
- [16:23] %KhosroTheGreat: what does serene grace give us on tomo?
- [16:23] Reapehify: It boosts our offensive and helps any utility.
- [16:23] #HeaLnDeaL: are you sure drought lowers cane's acc?
- [16:23] sooperpotatoe: What's our typing?
- [16:23] Animaignis: 60% spA lowering
- [16:23] Animaignis: fairy.ghost
- [16:23] #HeaLnDeaL: nvm it does
- [16:23] %KhosroTheGreat: it does, heal
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- [16:23] Rebel Pawniards: oo cap
- [16:23] Animaignis: Sheer Force would be nice, depending on our coverage
- [16:23] Rebel Pawniards: hello
- [16:23] Reapehify: The 60/40% lowering of our stab.
- [16:24] Animaignis: ^
- [16:24] %KhosroTheGreat: sheer force could be an interesting and weaker alternative to adap
- [16:24] Animaignis: But Sheer Force seems pretty outclassed by Adap ye
- [16:24] %KhosroTheGreat: that may be a good thing
- [16:24] Animaignis: maybe
- [16:24] +Da Pizza Man: anaylatic!
- [16:24] #HeaLnDeaL: does serene grace help us beat tomo though? or its partners?
- [16:25] Animaignis: to some extent
- [16:25] Reapehify: I would say there is a 60/40% chance it does.
- [16:25] Reapehify: :^)
- [16:25] +Da Pizza Man: then again that also discourages priority from scisor
- [16:25] +Deck Knight: What about Technician so we can use Draining Kiss?
- [16:25] +Da Pizza Man: scizor
- [16:25] +Da Pizza Man: so not sure
- [16:25] #HeaLnDeaL: !dt draining kiss
- • Draining Kiss Power
- 50Accuracy
- 100%PP
- 16User recovers 75% of the damage dealt.
- •
- Priority | Gen: 6 | ✓ Contact | Target: One Adjacent Pokémon
- [16:25] Animaignis: that could be neat, but idk
- [16:25] #HeaLnDeaL: 50, hmm
- [16:25] +Deck Knight: (And also Tech HP Fiah)
- [16:25] Reapehify: I also sort of like Analytic but we still need speed.
- [16:25] Animaignis: kinda cool
- [16:25] +Da Pizza Man: draining kiss is contact
- [16:25] +Da Pizza Man: so rocky helmet triggers
- [16:25] Animaignis: o nvrmind
- [16:25] Animaignis: bad
- [16:25] Reapehify: That would make Analytic only really kick in on prankster or switch use.
- [16:25] #HeaLnDeaL: but it heals more than helmet does
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- [16:26] Animaignis: eh
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- [16:26] %KhosroTheGreat: HP fire may allow us to beat steels we don't want to
- [16:26] #HeaLnDeaL: blah
- [16:26] CantGreggMe: Depending on scenerios, Rattled would be good for speed
- [16:26] #HeaLnDeaL: I hate to say it but I like Poison Heal
- [16:26] +Da Pizza Man: Khosro hp is automatically allowed and required
- [16:26] Animaignis: but we would probably die to ghost moves anyways
- [16:26] Animaignis: nuuuuuu not Poison Heal
- [16:26] %KhosroTheGreat: I meant with tech boost
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- [16:27] +Da Pizza Man: oh
- [16:27] #HeaLnDeaL: he meant tech hp fire stong
- [16:27] #HeaLnDeaL: rip slow
- [16:27] Animaignis: yea Tech boost might be rough
- [16:27] Reapehify: So is a slate ready to be set?
- [16:27] Animaignis: ^
- [16:27] #HeaLnDeaL: idk, is there a slate yet?
- [16:27] +Deck Knight: Tech also gives us awesome physical Ghost STAB Shadow Paunch >_>
- [16:27] %KhosroTheGreat: there's so many options
- [16:27] #HeaLnDeaL: I'm so undecided
- • Shadow Punch Power
- 60Accuracy
- —PP
- 32This move does not check accuracy.
- •
- Priority | Gen: 3 | ✓ Contact | ✓ Punch | Target: One Adjacent Pokémon
- [16:27] Animaignis: why dont we do a semipoll to narrow it down?
- [16:27] Reapehify: We've got Serene Grace, Analytic, Poison Heal, Magic Bounce...any other big ones?
- [16:27] Animaignis: rofl Deck
- [16:28] Animaignis: Sheer Force
- [16:28] Reapehify: Yeah, Sheer Force.
- [16:28] #HeaLnDeaL: adaptability
- [16:28] %KhosroTheGreat: Infiltrator, Adap, Sheer Force,
- [16:28] Animaignis: ah yea those too
- [16:28] Reapehify: Seems like we do have a slate. :)
- [16:28] Animaignis: Infiltrator and Adap
- [16:28] sooperpotatoe: If you're looking for a bit of bulk without being broken, Regenerator?
- [16:28] CantGreggMe: magic guard
- [16:28] Animaignis: And pixilate
- [16:28] +Deck Knight: Don't like SF. Hald the reason to use Fairy moves is secondary effects.
- [16:28] #HeaLnDeaL: can we just take a minute and idk... step back and look at other options
- [16:28] Animaignis: nd Regenerator
- [16:28] %KhosroTheGreat: regen neutralises sr
- [16:28] Reapehify: Like what, HeaL?
- [16:29] +Deck Knight: Lets look at this from the vantage point of what each ability does for our goals.
- [16:29] #HeaLnDeaL: ye wut deck said
- [16:29] +Deck Knight: SG gives us a lot more Moonblast SpA drops, which weakens (but doesn't stop) checks and neutralizes Tomohawk.
- [16:29] Reapehify: Analytic, Sheer Force, Adaptibility all give us stronger stabs in different circumstances.
- [16:29] +Deck Knight: Poison Heal takes a lot of Stall-oriented threats like Chansey (a tomo partner) off the table.
- [16:29] #HeaLnDeaL: ugh my net is crapping out agai
- [16:30] Animaignis: is pixilate out?
- [16:30] Animaignis: RIP HeaL's internet
- [16:30] %KhosroTheGreat: pixilate and infiltrator allow us to beat the relatively rare sub tomo
- [16:30] +Deck Knight: Pixilate seems much better for physical mons than special ones.
- [16:30] Animaignis: yeah
- [16:30] Reapehify: But Poison Heal can be compensated for as a secondary ability in other ways. And is also is challenged ability-wise by Magic Guard.
- [16:30] Animaignis: Regenerator i vote no.
- [16:30] Reapehify: So do I.
- [16:30] sooperpotatoe: Magic bounce also helps against stall threats
- [16:30] #HeaLnDeaL: poison heal is better than magic guard...
- [16:31] %KhosroTheGreat: that's not necessarily a reason to not put it on this mon tho, Deck Knight
- [16:31] +Deck Knight: MB + Ghost typing is literal hell for Tomohawk.
- [16:31] +Deck Knight: Can't Spin, can't setup, all it can do is Roost or switch.
- [16:31] #HeaLnDeaL: or hurricane
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- [16:31] %KhosroTheGreat: assuming we can take attacks
- [16:31] +Deck Knight: Also that, yes.
- [16:31] %KhosroTheGreat: which we should
- [16:31] Animaignis: imma post pastebin of main abilities being discussed
- [16:31] +Da Pizza Man: so slate?
- [16:31] Animaignis: http://pastebin.com/hcYg9ZYr
- [16:31] +Deck Knight: I would presume since we exist to eat Tomohawk's apple, sandwich, and brownie, that his windstorms will not bother us.
- [16:32] Animaignis: so that is options for slate, i think, unless i forgot some
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- [16:32] #HeaLnDeaL: ugh f my net, won't let me load any links
- [16:32] Animaignis: i call the brownie
- [16:32] Animaignis: i call the brownie
- [16:32] Animaignis: But Tomo can't do much to Fairy/Ghost anyways even without Magic Bounce
- [16:32] #HeaLnDeaL: brb resetting my net
- [16:32] Animaignis: ToxicHawk isnt run much
- [16:33] Animaignis: gday gday
- [16:33] @gday: it can still get rocks up
- [16:33] @gday: gday
- [16:33] Reapehify: gday
- [16:33] @gday: gday
- [16:33] Reapehify: It can get rocks up but takes a nasty hit in return.
- [16:33] @gday: well i mean on the switch
- [16:33] Animaignis: And it can whip us with a mean LO Hurricane on the switch .-.
- [16:33] %KhosroTheGreat: it's really easy to bring tomo in too
- [16:34] @gday: this thing needs to have a lot of special bulk
- [16:34] @gday: ofc
- [16:34] %KhosroTheGreat: We're assuming we can bulk LO Hurricane
- [16:34] %KhosroTheGreat: oh wait
- [16:34] Reapehify: We should be able to take 1 hit.
- [16:34] Animaignis: yea
- [16:34] %KhosroTheGreat: regenvest could be a thing
- [16:34] Animaignis: 2 imo if possible
- [16:34] %KhosroTheGreat: if we run regen
- [16:34] Animaignis: Regenerator could be neat
- [16:34] Reapehify: I'm not a fan of passive healing.
- [16:35] +Deck Knight: AV does help with that, yes. A Strong stat and AV would be a realistic set.
- [16:35] Animaignis: so poll?
- [16:35] %KhosroTheGreat: I have a slate, mostly thanks to ani
- [16:35] #HeaLnDeaL: eh wait a bit
- [16:35] %KhosroTheGreat: but do we want to discuss anything else?
- [16:35] sooperpotatoe: What's a slate? (Is it obvious I'm new here XD)
- [16:35] %KhosroTheGreat: ninja'd
- [16:35] %KhosroTheGreat: it's a list of stuff to vote on sooperpotatoe
- [16:35] Reapehify: A slate is a list of choices to vote on, sooperpotatoe.
- [16:35] Animaignis: ^
- [16:35] sooperpotatoe: Ahh, cool
- [16:36] sooperpotatoe: Thanks
- [16:36] Reapehify: What are we waiting for?
- [16:36] %KhosroTheGreat: for more thoughts on ability
- [16:36] %KhosroTheGreat: since its so pivotal
- [16:36] Reapehify: I think it would be better to have more discussion after an initial poll.
- [16:37] Reapehify: And then after that discussion vote again?
- [16:37] Reapehify: That way it creates a sense of progress.
- [16:37] %KhosroTheGreat: usually polls only happen after discussion
- [16:37] Candle Jerk: poll to see the top 3 and discuss from there?
- [16:37] Animaignis: ^
- [16:37] Animaignis: i like that idea
- [16:37] Animaignis: we need to narrow it down at least a bit
- [16:37] Reapehify: That seems like the best way to go. We can discuss all we want but we should poll and then after getting a consensus, discuss from there.
- [16:37] Reapehify: Yeah, we need to narrow it down.
- [16:37] %KhosroTheGreat: We could discuss some other options
- [16:38] Animaignis: Great idea: It shud have Illuminate :P
- [16:38] Reapehify: I think we've come to our conclusion, though.
- [16:38] sooperpotatoe: Or, we could do the opposite
- [16:38] sooperpotatoe: and poll what we should get rid of
- [16:38] %KhosroTheGreat: but if you guys want a poll now, I'll put one up in 1 min
- [16:38] #HeaLnDeaL: what about wonder skin? idk
- [16:38] Reapehify: Okay.
- [16:38] Reapehify: I was looking at Wonder Skin Heal, but it's so gimmicky.
- [16:38] #HeaLnDeaL: sorry random
- [16:38] Reapehify: Would make a better flavour ability.
- [16:38] #HeaLnDeaL: !dt taunt
- • Taunt Accuracy
- 100%PP
- 32For 3 turns, the target can't use status moves.
- •
- Priority | Gen: 3 | ✓ Bypasses Substitutes | ✓ Bounceable | Target: One Adjacent Pokémon
- [16:38] Animaignis: Wonder Skin could be neat
- We dont Tect those left
- [16:38] Animaignis: rofl 50% accuracy Taunt
- [16:39] Animaignis: i want to see an official CAP with that lol
- [16:39] #HeaLnDeaL: gimmicky, eh, doesn't seem primary ability material
- [16:39] #HeaLnDeaL: maybe secondary... but idk
- [16:39] Reapehify: Yeah.
- [16:39] +Deck Knight: Indeed it is not
- [16:39] Reapehify: That's what I was thinking.
- [16:39] #HeaLnDeaL: aight, I'm ready for poll 1 when you kids are
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- [16:39] Reapehify: I'm all on board for Wonder Skin as secondary.
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- [16:39] %KhosroTheGreat: need to shave one off this http://pastebin.com/0YUbJGKL
- [16:39] Animaignis: im good with poll
- [16:39] Reapehify: I also like the idea of Justified/Immunity.
- [16:40] Reapehify: Get rid of Oblivious.
- [16:40] Animaignis: Magic Guard/Bounce > Immunity
- [16:40] #HeaLnDeaL: it should be aroma veil, not oblivious, koso
- [16:40] Animaignis: Yea i vote cut oblivious
- [16:40] Animaignis: or aroma veil
- [16:40] Animaignis: whatever it is
- [16:40] Reapehify: Yes Animaignis, but Immunity would be a secondary ability if those don't get selected.
- [16:40] #HeaLnDeaL: I'd say add aroma veil, cut sheer force
- [16:40] Animaignis: true.
- [16:41] %KhosroTheGreat: do we need adap to beat stuff?
- [16:41] Animaignis: I vote cut Sheer Force, Aroma Veil, Oblivious
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- [16:41] %KhosroTheGreat: does LO sheer force not work?
- [16:41] Animaignis: Adap might be cool tho
- [16:41] sooperpotatoe: I don't see infiltrator being all that useful tbh, that's my cut-vote
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- [16:41] #HeaLnDeaL: !dt aroma veil
- • Aroma VeilProtects user/allies from Attract, Disable, Encore, Heal Block, Taunt, and Torment.
- •
- [16:41] Reapehify: I'd get rid of adaptability as opposed to sheer force.
- [16:41] Animaignis: that actually might be better now that i think about it
- [16:41] Reapehify: And keep aroma veil.
- [16:41] %KhosroTheGreat: attract tomo is on ladder, but probably shouldn't be in our thoughts
- [16:41] Animaignis: ^
- [16:41] +Deck Knight: I generally oppose "makes this stronger" abilities unless there's an explicit purpose to them.
- [16:42] Done with MONOTYPE: is it still the flashcap? e.e
- [16:42] Animaignis: yus
- [16:42] #HeaLnDeaL: ye
- [16:42] +Deck Knight: Tomohawk just isn't that specially bulky.
- [16:42] Done with MONOTYPE: wooow
- [16:42] %KhosroTheGreat: I also missed out pixilate
- [16:42] +Deck Knight: It never runs AV because half its appeal is status moves.
- [16:42] %KhosroTheGreat: One would assume it's for AV Colo
- [16:42] %KhosroTheGreat: and Bulky M-Meta
- [16:42] Reapehify: So run two polls Khosro and the top two of each is our last poll after discussion?
- [16:42] #HeaLnDeaL: ye I like adaptability for av colo
- [16:42] +Deck Knight: I suppose
- [16:43] +Deck Knight: There is no kill like Overkill.
- [16:43] #HeaLnDeaL: k, no one like infiltrator, cut that
- [16:43] Animaignis: exactly :P
- [16:43] Animaignis: @ Deck
- [16:43] Reapehify: Yeah, you can get rid of infiltrator.
- [16:43] #HeaLnDeaL: we need one poll
- [16:43] Reapehify: Fair enough.
- [16:43] %KhosroTheGreat: I was going to do polls for sheer force vs adap and infiltrator vs pixilate
- [16:43] Animaignis: i like sound of that
- [16:43] %KhosroTheGreat: then have the poll for moves
- [16:43] sooperpotatoe: ^That's an idea
- [16:43] Reapehify: Do sheer force/adap poll and cut infiltrator.
- [16:43] %KhosroTheGreat: *quick polls
- [16:44] #HeaLnDeaL: wut reap said
- [16:44] %KhosroTheGreat: k
- [16:44] Animaignis: same
- (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
- (A poll was started by KhosroTheGreat.)
- [16:44] %KhosroTheGreat: oh wow
- [16:44] Candle Jerk: niether
- [16:44] %KhosroTheGreat: sheer force really going for it
- [16:44] #HeaLnDeaL: sheer force removes our sexy 30% sp atk lower
- [16:45] %KhosroTheGreat: that is true
- [16:45] sooperpotatoe: but also adds life orb power
- [16:45] sooperpotatoe: if desired
- [16:45] #HeaLnDeaL: too stronk
- [16:45] +Deck Knight: BRB arguing for SF Famethrower
- [16:45] Animaignis: wait can i change vote?
- [16:45] #HeaLnDeaL: rof
- [16:45] %KhosroTheGreat: oh adap pulling into lead
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- [16:46] %KhosroTheGreat: Should I end poll?
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- [16:46] %KhosroTheGreat: since it's a mini one
- [16:46] #HeaLnDeaL: your call
- [16:46] +Da Pizza Man: go ahead
- [16:46] sooperpotatoe: seems over lol
- [16:46] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [16:46] +Deck Knight: It's OVAH!
- (The poll was ended by KhosroTheGreat.)
- Poll ended Which one is best for our FlashCAP?
- 1. Sheer Force (5 votes)
- 42%
- 2. Adaptability (7 votes)
- 58%
- [16:46] +Da Pizza Man: alright
- [16:46] Mcguffin: hi cap. The art room said you guys were looking for some concept art for a defensive ghost fairy. Here's a rough sketch: http://imgur.com/4RQC1pe
- [16:46] +Da Pizza Man: so adaptability is our winner
- [16:46] Animaignis: neat
- [16:46] +Da Pizza Man: e
- [16:46] +Deck Knight: NEAT
- [16:47] +Da Pizza Man: like it
- [16:47] %KhosroTheGreat: Might end up being offensive, Mcguffin, but thank you very much
- [16:47] #HeaLnDeaL: : o cool
- [16:47] +Da Pizza Man: i could see that working as offensive
- [16:47] Reapehify: Why is our mon defensive?
- [16:47] Mcguffin: oh neat. last i heard people were talking about abilities to stop tomohawk
- [16:47] @gday: if it's offensive then will it counter offensive tomo
- [16:47] #HeaLnDeaL: I told art room we'd prolly have enuff bulk to tank mega gross BP
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- [16:47] #HeaLnDeaL: i.e. we wouldn't be super frail
- [16:48] Mcguffin: and abilities like magic bounce and aroma veil were mentioned
- [16:48] %KhosroTheGreat: oops
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- Poll ended What should our FlashCAP's Primary Ability be?
- 1. Serene Grace (1 vote)
- 20%
- 2. Adaptability (0 votes)
- 0%
- 3. Analytic (0 votes)
- 0%
- 4. Magic Bounce (1 vote)
- 20%
- 5. Poison Heal (1 vote)
- 20%
- 6. Infiltrator (0 votes)
- 0%
- 7. Regenerator (2 votes)
- 40%
- [16:48] Reapehify: We should definitely be able to take 2 bullet punches.
- [16:48] CantGreggMe: lel
- [16:48] Animaignis: nuuu i missed poll ;-;
- [16:48] +Da Pizza Man: what was wrong with the poll
- [16:48] %KhosroTheGreat: we have an extra slot
- [16:48] Done with MONOTYPE: is mega metagross any good?
- [16:48] Candle Jerk: very
- [16:48] #HeaLnDeaL: yes
- [16:48] Animaignis: very
- [16:48] %KhosroTheGreat: and I cut obliv instead of infil
- [16:49] Done with MONOTYPE: alright finally found a good mega then s.s
- [16:49] Animaignis: It is as close to being an Uber as you can have in OU, Vulpix
- [16:49] Jack Ferry: apparently natu can fite power gem volk
- [16:49] #HeaLnDeaL: eh oh well koso
- [16:49] Jack Ferry: the more you knoe
- [16:49] Jack Ferry: ~know
- [16:49] %KhosroTheGreat: should I add obliv or infil?
- [16:49] #HeaLnDeaL: it's fine
- [16:49] +Da Pizza Man: Your choice
- [16:49] +Da Pizza Man: your tl
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- [16:49] #HeaLnDeaL: ugh this poll is crazy tho
- [16:49] %KhosroTheGreat: ikr?
- [16:50] #HeaLnDeaL: oblivious should be aroma veil
- [16:50] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [16:50] %KhosroTheGreat: probably not worth changing
- [16:50] Animaignis: nuuuuu i misclicked!
- [16:50] %KhosroTheGreat: given how unpopular obliv is and how small the differences are
- [16:50] Animaignis: The page jolted downwards ;-;
- [16:50] %KhosroTheGreat: which one did you want?
- [16:50] Animaignis: is it possible to change vote?
- [16:50] Animaignis: Serence Grace
- [16:50] %KhosroTheGreat: and you clicked adap?
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- [16:50] Animaignis: yes
- [16:51] %KhosroTheGreat: k
- [16:51] #HeaLnDeaL: k, noted
- [16:51] %KhosroTheGreat: where are the votes?
- [16:51] %KhosroTheGreat: 11 people so far
- [16:51] Master Mewking: about time my lock ended
- [16:52] %KhosroTheGreat: hi mewking
- [16:52] %KhosroTheGreat: wb
- [16:52] Done with MONOTYPE: welcome back
- [16:52] Master Mewking: hey guys
- [16:52] Done with MONOTYPE: guess you learned your lesson now :'s
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- [16:52] %KhosroTheGreat: half a min left on poll
- [16:52] Master Mewking: no i know why i got locked this time
- [16:52] Done with MONOTYPE: ~~at least you didn't lose your driver status like me~
- [16:52] #HeaLnDeaL: if we're magic bounce... we'll be kinda similar to mega sab
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- [16:52] %KhosroTheGreat: mewking should vote if he hasn't yet
- [16:52] Done with MONOTYPE: rip no cross out
- [16:52] Done with MONOTYPE: :[
- [16:52] sooperpotatoe: So how often do you guys do flashcaps?
- [16:52] Master Mewking: i just did
- [16:52] #HeaLnDeaL: very rarely
- [16:53] %KhosroTheGreat: except sab doesn't have SE STAB
- [16:53] Master Mewking: i voted serene grace
- [16:53] #HeaLnDeaL: true
- [16:53] %KhosroTheGreat: also we may be offensive
- [16:53] %KhosroTheGreat: OK
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- [16:53] %KhosroTheGreat: poll ending
- (The poll was ended by KhosroTheGreat.)
- Poll ended What should our FlashCAP's Primary Ability be?
- 1. Serene Grace (2 votes)
- 17%
- 2. Adaptability (2 votes)
- 17%
- 3. Analytic (0 votes)
- 0%
- 4. Magic Bounce (4 votes)
- 33%
- 5. Poison Heal (1 vote)
- 8%
- 6. Oblivious (0 votes)
- 0%
- 7. Regenerator (3 votes)
- 25%
- 8. Sheer Force (0 votes)
- 0%
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- [16:53] SunshineCatt: LOL
- [16:53] %KhosroTheGreat: serene grace, regen and mb to go through
- [16:53] +Da Pizza Man: serene grace, regenerator, and magic bounce
- [16:53] #HeaLnDeaL: so serence grace, magic bounce, regen
- [16:53] Master Mewking: magic bs wins
- [16:53] #HeaLnDeaL: no, time for poll 2
- [16:53] SunshineCatt: I just beat Arkaes
- [16:54] CantGreggMe: tbh only mb and regen
- [16:54] SunshineCatt: my first day with these mons
- [16:54] SunshineCatt: epic
- [16:54] #HeaLnDeaL: no, ssg got an extra vote
- [16:54] Master Mewking: ifone of the options is protean
- [16:54] #HeaLnDeaL: *sg
- [16:54] CantGreggMe: oh
- Poll What should our FlashCAP's Primary Ability be?
- 1. Serene Grace (4 votes)
- 29%
- 2. Magic Bounce (4 votes)
- 29%
- 3. Regenerator (6 votes)
- 43%
- (You can't vote after viewing results)
- (A poll was started by KhosroTheGreat.)
- [16:54] #HeaLnDeaL: ugh rip poison heal
- [16:54] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [16:54] Animaignis: yay no Poison heal
- [16:54] #HeaLnDeaL: crap
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- [16:54] #HeaLnDeaL: the poll moved
- [16:54] Animaignis: rofl
- [16:54] Animaignis: life
- [16:55] +Da Pizza Man: what did you try to vote for
- [16:55] %KhosroTheGreat: even heal gets pagejolted
- [16:55] #HeaLnDeaL: I clicked view results, meant to click magic bounce
- [16:55] Animaignis: XD
- [16:55] +Da Pizza Man: that shouldn't count
- [16:55] +Da Pizza Man: refresh the page
- [16:55] #HeaLnDeaL: k
- [16:55] %KhosroTheGreat: oh wow regen with the victory
- [16:55] FullMetalDragon276: oh no...
- [16:55] Reapehify: That sucks.
- [16:55] %KhosroTheGreat: oh
- [16:55] FullMetalDragon276: will we make a new cap pokemon with it?
- [16:55] #HeaLnDeaL: brb refreshing still need to vote
- [16:55] +Da Pizza Man: heal did it work
- [16:56] Reapehify: It probably wouldn't.
- [16:56] %KhosroTheGreat: this is close
- [16:56] +Da Pizza Man: no this is for fun fullmetal
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- [16:56] %KhosroTheGreat: I don't think it works
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- [16:56] FullMetalDragon276: ok
- [16:56] Master Mewking: heyjacket
- [16:56] Reapehify: Whenever you choose to view you can't vote.
- [16:56] #HeaLnDeaL: nope it won't let me vote
- [16:56] CantGreggMe: same
- [16:56] #HeaLnDeaL: I voted magic bounce, accidentally clicked view
- [16:56] Reapehify: Redo! :^)
- [16:56] +Da Pizza Man: so add 1 to magic bounce then
- [16:56] %KhosroTheGreat: well regen and mb are tied now
- [16:56] FullMetalDragon276: would have been cool to see a cap pokemon with regenerator
- [16:56] #HeaLnDeaL: final poll between mb and regen?
- [16:56] +Da Pizza Man: full crucibelle
- [16:56] +Deck Knight: Crucibelle >_>
- [16:56] %KhosroTheGreat: k
- [16:56] Candle Jerk: ^
- [16:57] Reapehify: What is your vote Can'tGreggme?
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- [16:57] CantGreggMe: mb
- [16:57] Reapehify: Oh.
- [16:57] Reapehify: Then MB wins.
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- Poll ended What should our FlashCAP's Primary Ability be?
- 1. Serene Grace (4 votes)
- 27%
- 2. Magic Bounce (5 votes)
- 33%
- 3. Regenerator (6 votes)
- 40%
- [16:57] Animaignis: ;-; RIP serene grace
- [16:57] CantGreggMe: it wouldnt let me click
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- [16:57] +Da Pizza Man: csntgregg couldn't vote
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- [16:57] Master Mewking: magic bs for da win
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- [16:57] %KhosroTheGreat: there's no harm in having a final vote
- [16:57] #HeaLnDeaL: brb
- [16:57] Reapehify: That's very democratic of you, Khosro.
- [16:57] %KhosroTheGreat: lol thanks
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- [16:58] Reapehify: Phew.
- [16:58] SunshineCatt: the harm is that now i cant make a fun regen core team
- [16:58] Reapehify: I was worried for a second.
- [16:58] SunshineCatt: :(
- [16:58] +Da Pizza Man: if we tie, cap says winner is the winner of the previous poll iirc
- [16:58] Reapehify: We won't tie.
- [16:58] +Da Pizza Man: i know
- [16:58] +Da Pizza Man: just saying
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- [16:58] Reapehify: We...shouldn't tie.
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- [16:59] %KhosroTheGreat: 30 secs on poll
- [16:59] FullMetalDragon276: g'day, gday.
- [16:59] %KhosroTheGreat: last minute regen comeback plz
- [16:59] Master Mewking: g-g-g-g-g-GDAY mate
- [16:59] %KhosroTheGreat: welp
- [16:59] FullMetalDragon276: hello, MM.
- [16:59] Animaignis: if we say gday to gday, should we Heal HeaL? :P
- [16:59] %KhosroTheGreat: poll ending
- (The poll was ended by KhosroTheGreat.)
- Poll ended What should our FlashCAP's Primary Ability be?
- 1. Magic Bounce (10 votes)
- 56%
- 2. Regenerator (8 votes)
- 44%
- [16:59] +Da Pizza Man: And magic bounce wins
- [16:59] Animaignis: seems legit
- [16:59] Master Mewking: magic bs wins
- [16:59] %KhosroTheGreat: Our Primary Ability is Magic Bounce.
- [17:00] CantGreggMe: i like to magic bounce it!
- [17:00] +Da Pizza Man: next is stats
- [17:00] CantGreggMe: idk about stats
- [17:00] %KhosroTheGreat: Ooh, that's interesting
- [17:00] %KhosroTheGreat: do we have stat limits?
- [17:00] +Da Pizza Man: not sure
- [17:00] +Da Pizza Man: heal
- [17:00] %KhosroTheGreat: heal come back to us
- [17:00] Master Mewking: if so the max would be 255
- [17:00] Animaignis: RIP HeaL
- [17:00] %KhosroTheGreat: tbh
- [17:00] Done with MONOTYPE: hey khosro can you get on the ladder I need a challenge e.e
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- [17:00] #HeaLnDeaL: here
- [17:00] %KhosroTheGreat: I think post your subs
- [17:01] +Da Pizza Man: heal are we doing stat limits
- [17:01] CantGreggMe: BST should be like 460-500 range
- [17:01] %KhosroTheGreat: and I'll just take out the broken ones
- [17:01] #HeaLnDeaL: no stat limits
- [17:01] +Da Pizza Man: okay
- [17:01] Master Mewking: okay give it 255 in all stats
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- [17:01] Reapehify: So we can submit our ideal stats?
- [17:01] FullMetalDragon276: A ghost/fairy type pokemon would have a mischievous personality, but that pesonality was taken by Hoopa.
- [17:02] +Da Pizza Man: so what are we generally going to base off for stats?
- [17:02] FullMetalDragon276: would have been cool if it was real.
- [17:02] CantGreggMe: maybe SPA and SPD
- [17:02] FullMetalDragon276: maybe having a defensive ghost/fairy.
- [17:02] #HeaLnDeaL: losing to our checks/counters, beating tomo and allies
- [17:02] Reapehify: Probably what we need to tank to be viable to counter Tomohawk+counters.
- [17:02] Reapehify: Yeah.
- [17:02] +Da Pizza Man: i would say obviously a special attacker
- [17:02] #HeaLnDeaL: I think special attacker makes sense
- [17:02] +Da Pizza Man: we should also probably outspeed mega meta
- [17:02] #HeaLnDeaL: enough physical bulk to take a mega metagross BP or two
- [17:02] Reapehify: Ghosts usually have low HP, with exception of Drifblim.
- [17:03] #HeaLnDeaL: outspeeding mega meta is nice too yeah
- [17:03] Master Mewking: i'm gonna try some offensive competitive stats
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- [17:03] +Da Pizza Man: \calc
- [17:03] +Art2D2: CAP Damage Calculator: http://sparktrain.github.io/
- [17:03] FullMetalDragon276: 80/60/100/120/160/40
- [17:03] %KhosroTheGreat: we should be able to bulk tomo obvs too
- [17:03] Reapehify: So 112 speed to outspeed 110 base speed users plus Thundurus?
- [17:03] %KhosroTheGreat: woah 160 spd
- [17:04] %KhosroTheGreat: 40 speed tho
- [17:04] FullMetalDragon276: or maybe 140 spd and 60 speed, or 120 spd, and 80 speed
- [17:04] FullMetalDragon276: the 160 and 40 would be suitable for trick room
- [17:04] Reapehify: I'm going to go do calcs on attacks.
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- [17:05] Reapehify: Lists of threats/counters please?
- [17:05] +Da Pizza Man: who had that list
- [17:05] %KhosroTheGreat: I posted it
- [17:05] Reapehify: It's way up in chat somewhere.
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- [17:05] %KhosroTheGreat: http://pastebin.com/2q6Bkh47
- [17:06] %KhosroTheGreat: + chansey
- [17:06] Animaignis: :I my stat spread has 599 total better edit :P
- [17:06] +Da Pizza Man: how chansey?
- [17:06] +Da Pizza Man: we completly shhit on it
- [17:06] %KhosroTheGreat: oh wait
- [17:06] %KhosroTheGreat: mb now
- [17:06] %KhosroTheGreat: we didn't have mb at the time
- [17:06] +Da Pizza Man: ghost
- [17:07] +Da Pizza Man: also would it be a good idea to doncalcs with lo or naw
- [17:07] %KhosroTheGreat: My moonblast is struggling to OHKO tomo
- [17:07] #HeaLnDeaL: wait is there a BST limit?
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- [17:07] +Da Pizza Man: just do 600
- [17:07] +Da Pizza Man: i guess
- [17:07] #HeaLnDeaL: I mean not saying we need one
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- [17:07] +Da Pizza Man: khosro?
- [17:08] #HeaLnDeaL: just someone said something that made me think we had one
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- [17:08] Animaignis: Okay: Spread 1: 95 HP, 60 Atk, 95 Def, 100 SpA, 150 SpD, 86 Speed
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- [17:08] Reapehify: Isn't Metagross-Mega also a check?
- [17:08] Animaignis: A bulky specially defensive mon, deals around 75-80 damage to Tomo
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- [17:08] Animaignis: decent split bulk
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- [17:08] Reapehify: 600 seems like a good BST limit.
- [17:08] %KhosroTheGreat: I think 600 is a decent unofficial one, but in some circumstances it could be acceptable
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- [17:09] Master Mewking: okay 70/80/80/130/80/120 pure special offense
- [17:09] Reapehify: I also like 550.
- [17:09] lightninging2: 600 is a lil high, 550 sounds better imo
- [17:09] Animaignis: I vote under 600
- [17:09] Animaignis: I think mine is 589 total, btw
- [17:09] %KhosroTheGreat: You need 150 SpA to have a guarunteed OHKO
- [17:10] Done with MONOTYPE: fucking murdfer all the fucking cancer jirachi
- [17:10] Done with MONOTYPE: fucking done with cap
- [17:10] %KhosroTheGreat: vulpix :c
- [17:10] #HeaLnDeaL: WIP 90/60/122/125/105/111
- [17:10] Master Mewking: 70/80/80/130/80/120=560
- [17:10] Done with MONOTYPE: at least my dark mono can fucking destroy that stupid trash
- [17:10] Done with MONOTYPE: sorry Im just salty lol e.e
- [17:11] Animaignis: .-.
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- [17:11] #HeaLnDeaL: WIP 90/60/122/125/97/111 -- survives gross's crit BP and survives tomo's LO hurricane, both after SR
- [17:12] Animaignis: Can i submit multiple spreads?
- [17:12] Animaignis: Because i want to work on a bulky and a frail set
- [17:12] %KhosroTheGreat: I think so
- [17:13] #HeaLnDeaL: blah how important is it to survive a crit BP from gross?
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- [17:14] Reapehify: 100/104 HP/Defense survives both Scizor and Metagross Bullet punch if maxed out and survives one Meteor Mash.
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- [17:14] Reapehify: Two bullet punch*
- [17:14] FullMetalDragon276: it would be cool if we make it a real cap mon
- [17:14] %KhosroTheGreat: we're probably not going to be maxed out tho
- [17:14] Animaignis: eh imma just stick with bulky set
- [17:14] Reapehify: No but it gets the option.
- [17:15] Reapehify: Otherwise you're bulky enough to tank a hit or two providing low rolls.
- [17:15] #HeaLnDeaL: WIP: 90/60/122/125/102/111
- [17:15] #HeaLnDeaL: ugh, looks so high
- [17:15] Animaignis: lol
- [17:15] Reapehify: In other words, it's bulky enough to hit checks.
- [17:15] Animaignis: what total is that?
- [17:15] %KhosroTheGreat: 610
- [17:15] Animaignis: ;-;
- [17:16] Animaignis: how specialized can we make it?
- [17:16] #HeaLnDeaL: ye... going to have to lower def. crit gross's BP will get us tho
- [17:16] Done with MONOTYPE: oo 1640 damn thats nice
- [17:17] Done with MONOTYPE: :]
- [17:17] Animaignis: like, can we pull a beedrill-m on this?
- [17:17] +Deck Knight: No
- [17:17] Animaignis: alrite
- [17:18] #HeaLnDeaL: WIP 90/55/102/125/102/111
- [17:18] lightninging2: does attack gotta be 80?
- • OUSableye-Mega Magic BounceHP
- 50Atk
- 85Def
- 125SpA
- 85SpD
- 115Spe
- 20BST
- 480
- •
- Dex#: 302 | Gen: 6 | Height: 0.5 m | Weight: 161 kg (100 BP) | Dex Colour: Purple | Egg Group(s):Human-Like | Does Not Evolve
- [17:18] %KhosroTheGreat: no
- [17:18] Animaignis: will we have a healing move?
- [17:19] #HeaLnDeaL: eww realizing that my spread is superior to mega sab... that's too high
- [17:19] Animaignis: because that is relevant
- [17:19] Animaignis: rofl HeaL
- [17:19] %KhosroTheGreat: lower the def
- [17:19] #HeaLnDeaL: I just lowered it by 20...
- [17:19] #HeaLnDeaL: still high
- [17:20] %KhosroTheGreat: what's the boundary for bp w/o crit?
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- [17:20] #HeaLnDeaL: I can go lower I guess
- [17:20] %KhosroTheGreat: !dt sableye-mega
- • OUSableye-Mega Magic BounceHP
- 50Atk
- 85Def
- 125SpA
- 85SpD
- 115Spe
- 20BST
- 480
- •
- Dex#: 302 | Gen: 6 | Height: 0.5 m | Weight: 161 kg (100 BP) | Dex Colour: Purple | Egg Group(s):Human-Like | Does Not Evolve
- [17:20] Reapehify: 100/20/104/108/96/112
- [17:21] #HeaLnDeaL: like 90/78 or something is the boundary
- [17:21] CantGreggMe: >20 attack
- [17:21] #HeaLnDeaL: don't need to go that low tho
- [17:21] CantGreggMe: w0t
- [17:21] %KhosroTheGreat: > 20 atk, reaper
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- [17:21] Animaignis: .-. megasab has a 480 stat total
- [17:21] Animaignis: wut
- [17:21] Animaignis: even
- [17:21] %KhosroTheGreat: 90/60/80/125/102/111
- [17:21] Reapehify: I feel it's a ghost type and it's not of the physical plane, has physical impotency.
- [17:21] #HeaLnDeaL: WIP 90/55/90/125/102/113
- [17:22] Done with MONOTYPE: megasab is a good example of bad stat distribution tbh
- [17:22] Reapehify: My BST is 520.
- [17:22] Reapehify: I mean that's fair.
- [17:22] Animaignis: Okay what do you guys think of 80/40/108/110/140/111 (589 total)
- [17:22] CantGreggMe: if sable had a higher BST like 50 it would just add 10 to each defensive stat
- [17:22] CantGreggMe: 500*
- [17:22] Animaignis: lol
- [17:22] %KhosroTheGreat: 568 BST for my version and 575 for Heal
- [17:22] Reapehify: It seems too low when taking bullet punches.
- [17:22] #HeaLnDeaL: ours are near identical, koso
- [17:23] %KhosroTheGreat: mine is yours
- [17:23] %KhosroTheGreat: but with lower atk
- [17:23] %KhosroTheGreat: so really its yours
- [17:23] Reapehify: I did research on attacks so it would be able to wall them on the physical side.
- [17:23] CantGreggMe: 90/55/85/120/100/120
- [17:23] CantGreggMe: tbh
- [17:23] #HeaLnDeaL: no mine has lower atk
- [17:23] %KhosroTheGreat: 100/60/104/108/96/112 for Reap's IMO
- [17:23] %KhosroTheGreat: *lower def
- [17:24] Reapehify: You like mine?
- [17:24] Animaignis: Iv been modeling mine after Latias spread
- [17:24] #HeaLnDeaL: 100/104 seems a lot
- [17:24] CantGreggMe: mine is 570 :0
- [17:24] %KhosroTheGreat: I was boosting your stupid 20 atk
- [17:24] Reapehify: But it doesn't need it.
- [17:24] Reapehify: It's celestial.
- [17:24] Animaignis: So.... what do you guys think of my 80/40/108/110/140/111 (589 total)
- [17:24] Reapehify: It doesn't punch you in the face.
- [17:24] %KhosroTheGreat: 40 def sounds very low vs colo and mmeta
- [17:24] %KhosroTheGreat: ani
- [17:24] %KhosroTheGreat: and physical krill
- [17:24] Animaignis: thats attack
- [17:25] %KhosroTheGreat: oh
- [17:25] %KhosroTheGreat: derp
- [17:25] Animaignis: 80/108/140 bulk
- [17:25] Reapehify: 100/105 is barely able to survive Metagross/Scizor.
- [17:25] #HeaLnDeaL: k, my final sub is 90/55/90/125/102/113
- [17:25] %KhosroTheGreat: it doesn't need to survive zoe
- [17:25] Animaignis: why 113 speed?
- [17:25] CantGreggMe: btw we forgot mega aero
- [17:25] %KhosroTheGreat: as a check?
- [17:25] #HeaLnDeaL: surviving scizor is too much
- [17:26] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [17:26] Animaignis: Alrite. 80/40/108/110/140/111 (589 total) is my final submission. Pretty flexible between defense and offense, can take non-crit Metagross and Scizor Bullet Punch, and has pretty decent hits.
- [17:26] Reapehify: Okay.
- [17:26] Reapehify: So without any investments 100/105/95 is the best bulk from calcs.
- [17:26] Animaignis: It is similar to latias but just with -20 attack, +10 defense +10 SpD
- [17:26] CantGreggMe: Eh I'll keep mine. 90/55/85/120/100/120 (570 BST)
- [17:27] #HeaLnDeaL: btw, my 125 sp atk is the min to always KO bulky tomo after SR
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- [17:27] %KhosroTheGreat: with what nature?
- [17:27] #HeaLnDeaL: bold
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- [17:28] #HeaLnDeaL: 252 bold
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- [17:28] #HeaLnDeaL: since specially def tomo hardly exists
- [17:28] %KhosroTheGreat: which nature flashcap?
- [17:28] #HeaLnDeaL: and assuming timid on CAP
- [17:28] %KhosroTheGreat: 252 SpA Mega Sableye Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tomohawk: 362-428 (87.4 - 103.3%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
- [17:28] %KhosroTheGreat: why is calc broken?
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- [17:28] %KhosroTheGreat: *my
- [17:28] #HeaLnDeaL: I said after SR
- [17:28] Reapehify: So 100/40/101/108/99/112 is my final submission.
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- [17:29] +Da Pizza Man: 90/60/85/105/119/111 is mine, lets us get a guarnteed ohko on tomo with sr and live hurricane even after sr
- [17:29] %KhosroTheGreat: 252 SpA Mega Sableye Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tomohawk: 362-428 (87.4 - 103.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
- [17:29] Animaignis: oo wait can i submit a bonus one real quick?
- [17:29] #HeaLnDeaL: close enuff to 100%
- [17:29] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [17:29] Ria: 85/70/102/120/108/100 with BST being 585 is what I'm sticking with
- [17:29] %KhosroTheGreat: there's a lot of very similar submissions
- [17:30] %KhosroTheGreat: do I make a slate now?
- [17:30] %KhosroTheGreat: *should
- [17:30] %KhosroTheGreat: i.e. anyone else wanna submit?
- [17:30] Reapehify: 252+ SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Tomohawk: 272-324 (65.7 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- [17:30] Reapehify: That's mine.
- [17:30] Reapehify: On a SpD Tomo.
- [17:30] %KhosroTheGreat: 252 spd tomo is practically non-existant
- [17:30] Reapehify: 252+ SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tomohawk: 360-426 (86.9 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
- [17:30] Reapehify: Without SpD.
- [17:31] CantGreggMe: 252+ SpA Abomasnow Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tomohawk: 390-458 (94.2 - 110.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
- [17:31] CantGreggMe: 120 SPA Modest
- [17:31] Yojimbro: I hope its not getting any way to boost its stats
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- [17:31] Reapehify: I've got enough bulk to take two hits from Krill without any investment, and one hit from Navithan and Bullet Punches.
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- [17:31] Reapehify: With investment you could tank either side and lose to the either.
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- [17:32] Ria: With what it's concept is, I can't see it getting a boosting move. But that's a topic for moveset step
- [17:32] Reapehify: Enough speed to out run base 110 with investment. And even a boost in attack for you, Khosro. :^)
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- [17:32] Animaignis: split 80/95/120/95/110/86 maybe?
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- [17:33] Animaignis: outsped by Metagross yes, but a little more even
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- [17:33] Animaignis: maybe not completely walled by chansey do to physical attack?
- [17:33] Reapehify: Mine BST is 560.
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- [17:33] %KhosroTheGreat: OK I got a WIP Slate
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- [17:33] Candle Jerk: I think we should outspeed Megagross
- [17:33] Animaignis: ur probably right.
- [17:33] #HeaLnDeaL: I think we need to
- [17:33] %KhosroTheGreat: only 5 subs anyhow
- [17:33] %KhosroTheGreat: http://pastebin.com/1gbgF16d
- [17:33] +Da Pizza Man: 90/60/90/110/119/111 is my final submission, lets us deal with many common tomomteam mates like krillowatt and mega meta by letting us survive our attacks and dish out good damage
- [17:33] Reapehify: Otherwise it wrecks you with Meteor Mash.
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- [17:33] %KhosroTheGreat: ah dpm with dat late sub
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- [17:34] %KhosroTheGreat: I'll add u to slate
- [17:34] Animaignis: mine is wrong
- [17:34] Reapehify: DPM already submitted a last sub.
- [17:34] Reapehify: Lol.
- [17:34] lightninging2: could give it psychock to help w chansey
- [17:34] +Da Pizza Man: reaphify no i didn't
- [17:34] Animaignis: 80/40/108/110/140/111
- [17:34] Animaignis: was mine^
- [17:34] Reapehify: [18:29:00] Reapehify: So 100/40/101/108/99/112 is my final submission.
- [17:34] Reapehify: [18:29:16] +Da Pizza Man: 90/60/85/105/119/111 is mine, lets us get a guarnteed ohko on tomo with sr and live hurricane even after sr
- [17:34] %KhosroTheGreat: didn't say it was final
- [17:34] +Da Pizza Man: reaphify never said final there
- [17:35] Reapehify: Fair enough. But you said it immediately after me. Looks like you were agreeing and adding yours.
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- [17:35] Animaignis: watch as we all vote for our own spreads :P
- [17:35] +Da Pizza Man: lol
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- [17:36] Reapehify: Shouldn't be allowed to.
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- [17:36] Reapehify: :^)
- [17:36] Animaignis: lol
- [17:36] +Da Pizza Man: khosro have the slate?
- [17:36] #HeaLnDeaL: it's allowed in main cap
- [17:36] %KhosroTheGreat: nearly
- [17:36] Reapehify: I know, just teasing.
- [17:36] Animaignis: khosro u have my rite submission?
- [17:36] Animaignis: since pastebin one is wrong
- [17:36] %KhosroTheGreat: http://pastebin.com/dRJn0AU0
- [17:37] Animaignis: seems legit
- [17:37] %KhosroTheGreat: anyone not included and/or mistake on spread?
- [17:37] %KhosroTheGreat: if not, poll starting
- [17:37] Master Mewking: these stats good? 80/40/100/130/150/120
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- [17:37] #HeaLnDeaL: dang this is super high BST with super good ability
- [17:37] %KhosroTheGreat: is that a final sub mewking?
- [17:38] @gday: with super good typing
- [17:38] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [17:38] Obvious Pooter: now let's go full aurumoth on the movepool
- [17:38] Master Mewking: yep i'm done
- [17:38] Animaignis: rofl
- [17:38] Animaignis: *Gives it Tail Glow* XD
- [17:38] Animaignis: gg world
- [17:38] Animaignis: Cawm, move over. We got a new sweeper in town
- [17:39] #HeaLnDeaL: good thing we said in concept assessment no to boosting
- Poll What stat spread should our FlashCAP have?
- 1. HeaL: 90/55/90/125/102/113 (575 BST) (4 votes)
- 27%
- 2. Ani: 80/40/108/110/140/111 (589 BST) (4 votes)
- 27%
- 3. Gregg: 90/55/85/120/100/120 (570 BST) (0 votes)
- 0%
- 4. Reaper: 100/40/101/108/99/112 (560 BST) (2 votes)
- 13%
- 5. Ria: 85/70/102/120/108/100 (585 BST) (1 vote)
- 7%
- 6. DPM: 90/60/90/110/119/111 (580 BST) (3 votes)
- 20%
- 7. Deskoro: 95/60/80/120/105/105 (565 BST) (1 vote)
- 7%
- (A poll was started by KhosroTheGreat.)
- [17:39] %KhosroTheGreat: Mewking your BST was 620
- [17:39] %KhosroTheGreat: which is too high
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- [17:39] Master Mewking: oh
- [17:39] Master Mewking: oops
- [17:39] Animaignis: *legendary bug* :P
- [17:39] Master Mewking: i was making so many changes
- [17:39] CantGreggMe: rip me
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- [17:39] Animaignis: 130/150/120 is a cluse Mew :P
- [17:39] CantGreggMe: even I didnt pick me
- [17:39] Animaignis: lol
- [17:40] CantGreggMe: well i think i just gregged myself
- [17:40] Animaignis: clutch HeaL pull up :P
- [17:40] Animaignis: clutch DPM pull up
- [17:40] CantGreggMe: cluctch gregg pullup
- [17:40] Animaignis: rofl
- [17:41] +Sunfished: wait I wanted to suggest 1/1/255/1/255/1
- [17:41] Animaignis: .-.
- [17:41] %KhosroTheGreat: lol
- [17:41] CantGreggMe: -makes 4 alts-
- [17:41] Animaignis: XD
- [17:41] #HeaLnDeaL: DPM's is prolly my second favorite
- [17:41] Reapehify: HeaL is mine.
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- [17:41] Animaignis: We should repoll the top 3 prolly
- [17:41] Reapehify: Any that stand out, yes.
- [17:41] Animaignis: yea
- [17:41] Ria: Yeah that's what's gonna happen
- [17:42] #HeaLnDeaL: I like gregg's too
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- [17:42] Reapehify: 3+ votes should be repolled. Which means mine is gone. :(
- [17:42] %KhosroTheGreat: 30 secs on poll
- [17:42] CantGreggMe: I think I put not enought defense though
- [17:42] Reapehify: I'm the winner of losers.
- [17:42] Ria: I'm happy enough I got a vote lol
- [17:42] Ria: Since I didn't vote for myself
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- [17:43] Animaignis: no Gregg wins poll obsz :P
- [17:43] Animaignis: legit af
- [17:44] %KhosroTheGreat: k ending
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- (The poll was ended by KhosroTheGreat.)
- Poll ended What stat spread should our FlashCAP have?
- 1. HeaL: 90/55/90/125/102/113 (575 BST) (4 votes)
- 27%
- 2. Ani: 80/40/108/110/140/111 (589 BST) (4 votes)
- 27%
- 3. Gregg: 90/55/85/120/100/120 (570 BST) (0 votes)
- 0%
- 4. Reaper: 100/40/101/108/99/112 (560 BST) (2 votes)
- 13%
- 5. Ria: 85/70/102/120/108/100 (585 BST) (1 vote)
- 7%
- 6. DPM: 90/60/90/110/119/111 (580 BST) (3 votes)
- 20%
- 7. Deskoro: 95/60/80/120/105/105 (565 BST) (1 vote)
- 7%
- (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
- (A poll was started by KhosroTheGreat.)
- [17:44] Animaignis: HeaL with that clutch lead tho
- [17:44] Animaignis: teaching those high BSTs how its done
- [17:45] DrapionSwing: oh
- [17:45] Animaignis: wats up with the 113 speed tho?
- [17:45] Reapehify: Mine was 560, so HeaL is closer to my vaules.
- [17:45] DrapionSwing: Why didn't anyone highlight me ffs!
- [17:45] #HeaLnDeaL: I just think ani's stats make it better than mega sab... without being mega
- [17:45] %KhosroTheGreat: all high bst tho
- [17:45] Reapehify: values*
- [17:45] Animaignis: rofl
- [17:45] %KhosroTheGreat: sorry drap
- [17:45] DrapionSwing: xD
- [17:45] DrapionSwing: Quick before voting ends
- [17:45] DrapionSwing: What are the intentions for each stat?
- [17:45] Reapehify: We should go again for another vote.
- [17:45] Animaignis: HeaL mine is a altered Latias
- [17:46] Master Mewking: if i did more work on the base stats
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- [17:46] Reapehify: With Magic Bounce instead of Levitate.
- [17:46] %KhosroTheGreat: 45 secs before ending
- [17:46] Animaignis: Yeah.
- [17:46] #HeaLnDeaL: outspeed mega gross, survive BPs from gross plus some, kill defensive tomo after SR, survive hurricane after SR b=plus some
- [17:46] Animaignis: Mega Sableye has more Defense anyways
- [17:46] Reapehify: KhosroTheGreat, are we doing one more vote?
- [17:46] Reapehify: We should.
- [17:46] +Da Pizza Man: no
- [17:46] %KhosroTheGreat: the 3 was to get a nice round number for BST
- [17:47] Animaignis: it is?
- [17:47] %KhosroTheGreat: it got 575
- [17:47] %KhosroTheGreat: which is rounder than 573
- [17:47] %KhosroTheGreat: anyhow
- [17:47] Animaignis: o lol
- [17:47] DrapionSwing: I like anis
- [17:47] Reapehify: Three from DPM could vote for Animaignis.
- [17:47] DrapionSwing: I like anis
- [17:47] Reapehify: Should vote again.
- [17:47] Animaignis: its mega sabs fault that he has such low stats
- (The poll was ended by KhosroTheGreat.)
- Poll ended What stat spread should our FlashCAP have?
- 1. HeaL: 90/55/90/125/102/113 (575 BST) (7 votes)
- 47%
- 2. Ani: 80/40/108/110/140/111 (589 BST) (5 votes)
- 33%
- 3. DPM: 90/60/90/110/119/111 (580 BST) (3 votes)
- 20%
- [17:48] %KhosroTheGreat: go on then
- [17:48] %KhosroTheGreat: a quick one
- [17:48] Animaignis: *start ur engines*
- (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
- (A poll was started by KhosroTheGreat.)
- [17:48] %KhosroTheGreat: since it's so close
- [17:48] Animaignis: *rev ur engines*
- [17:48] Reapehify: And they should have addressed why their stats were better.
- [17:48] Reapehify: Oh well.
- [17:48] Animaignis: *explode*
- [17:48] %KhosroTheGreat: FlashCAP is Flash
- [17:48] +Da Pizza Man: mine were better because
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- [17:48] %KhosroTheGreat: need4speed
- [17:48] +Da Pizza Man: uh....
- [17:49] %KhosroTheGreat: also all of the posts were so similar
- [17:49] Animaignis: Mine has good chance of OHKOing Tomo with 252 SpA, can survive BPs, and can tank Hurricanes pretty easily.
- [17:49] Reapehify: That just means we have a unified idea of what the CAP should be. That's likely a good thing.
- [17:49] %KhosroTheGreat: probably
- [17:49] Animaignis: true
- [17:49] #HeaLnDeaL: I feel like we made a tomo killer... by making an almost equally broken mon, rip.
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- [17:49] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [17:49] Animaignis: :P
- [17:49] Animaignis: ^
- [17:49] Reapehify: I predicted that at the beginning.
- [17:49] Reapehify: I predicted that.
- [17:49] Animaignis: true.
- [17:49] #HeaLnDeaL: movepool can save us tho
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- [17:50] #HeaLnDeaL: if we are conservative
- [17:50] %KhosroTheGreat: yes
- [17:50] +Da Pizza Man: fuck conservatives
- [17:50] Animaignis: we shouldn't have done magic bounce imo.
- [17:50] +Da Pizza Man: i'm a liberal
- [17:50] Animaignis: *Legendary Bug time*
- [17:50] Animaignis: We should go full Keldeo on this stuffz
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- [17:50] CantGreggMe: full cawm*
- [17:50] Reapehify: We shouldn't, but out well.
- [17:51] %KhosroTheGreat: 30 secs for ending
- [17:51] +Da Pizza Man: next is ability 2
- [17:51] Animaignis: <full keldeo>
- [17:51] Reapehify: Jusitifed.
- [17:51] %KhosroTheGreat: 55 atk tho
- [17:51] Animaignis: well i think we sees who wins here :P
- [17:51] Animaignis: tru
- [17:51] Reapehify: Wonder Skin.
- [17:51] #HeaLnDeaL: aroma veil, wonder skin, debate it out now?
- [17:51] %KhosroTheGreat: regen secondary ability lol
- [17:51] Animaignis: Wonder Skin. Obsz.
- [17:51] Yojimbro: Give it shell smash, Quiver dance, vacuum wave, moonblast, Shadow ball GG
- [17:52] Animaignis: XD
- [17:52] Reapehify: Those are the only moves that it learns.
- [17:52] Reapehify: > was conservative
- [17:52] %KhosroTheGreat: no reason for aroma veil nor wonder skin if mb is a thing
- [17:52] Animaignis: Obvs Wonder Skin tho cmon guys. Gimmicks for dayz
- [17:52] Yojimbro: give it 5 attacking slots also
- [17:52] Yojimbro: for ggood measure
- [17:52] #HeaLnDeaL: rof
- [17:52] Animaignis: rofl
- [17:52] %KhosroTheGreat: have to give it something niche
- [17:52] Yojimbro: 5MSS
- [17:52] Reapehify: But Khosro, ability two is a flavour ability.
- [17:52] Reapehify: Or can be.
- [17:52] #HeaLnDeaL: end the poll already
- [17:52] Animaignis: U forgot Tail Glow and Aura Sphere :P
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- (The poll was ended by KhosroTheGreat.)
- Poll ended What stat spread should our FlashCAP have?
- 1. HeaL: 90/55/90/125/102/113 (575 BST) (8 votes)
- 57%
- 2. Ani: 80/40/108/110/140/111 (589 BST) (6 votes)
- 43%
- [17:52] +Da Pizza Man: Own Tempo
- [17:53] #HeaLnDeaL: rip ani
- [17:53] %KhosroTheGreat: gratz to heal
- [17:53] #HeaLnDeaL: sorry bro
- [17:53] Animaignis: :P
- [17:53] Animaignis: lol
- [17:53] Reapehify: Justified, man.
- [17:53] +Da Pizza Man: reaphify ability 2 is competitve
- [17:53] #HeaLnDeaL: kk, secondary ability funz
- [17:53] Yojimbro: Where is the spacial rend
- [17:53] @gday: how well does this take hurricane from lo tomohaw?
- [17:53] Animaignis: eh idk about Justified. Fairies don't seem much like "Justice" kinda guys, like Batman
- [17:53] Reapehify: Does the second ability have to be competitive if the first is?
- [17:53] %KhosroTheGreat: it survives iirc
- [17:53] #HeaLnDeaL: it survives after SR plus a little extra, gday
- [17:53] @gday: ok
- [17:53] Animaignis: Illuminate. Obviously :P
- [17:53] Reapehify: Fairies are all about nobility and grace.
- [17:53] Reapehify: ^
- [17:54] Reapehify: I like Illuminate as a third ability.
- [17:54] #HeaLnDeaL: I like wonder skin tbh
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- [17:54] Reapehify: So do I.
- [17:54] +Da Pizza Man: 252+ SpA Life Orb Tomohawk Hurricane vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 231-273 (71.9 - 85%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
- [17:54] Animaignis: Or Cursed Body might be cool
- [17:54] Reapehify: Can someone post stats again?
- [17:54] Animaignis: <Multitype hidden ability>
- [17:54] %KhosroTheGreat: battle armor anyone?
- [17:54] #HeaLnDeaL: 90/55/90/125/102/113 (575 BST)
- [17:54] Animaignis: eh
- [17:55] Animaignis: battle armor =/= fairy
- [17:55] Animaignis: imo
- [17:55] %KhosroTheGreat: pressure ?
- [17:55] Reapehify: Why not?
- [17:55] Animaignis: Better for a ghost/steel type
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- [17:55] Reapehify: Fur Coat.
- [17:55] Reapehify: :^)
- [17:55] Animaignis: XD
- [17:55] %KhosroTheGreat: oh infiltrator
- [17:55] Yojimbro: Friend guard
- [17:55] %KhosroTheGreat: that's an actual niche
- [17:55] Animaignis: How about Magician?
- [17:55] Reapehify: Look at our drawing.
- [17:55] Reapehify: For inspiration.
- [17:55] %KhosroTheGreat: I like magician
- [17:55] Animaignis: but is that official as a drawing?
- [17:55] Reapehify: It's like a giant yeti.
- [17:56] Animaignis: Imma stick with Magician. I like how it fits with both typings.
- [17:56] %KhosroTheGreat: could be a giant magic yeti
- [17:56] +Sunfished: oh, I have one, but I didn't know when to post?
- [17:56] Animaignis: now? idk :P
- [17:56] Animaignis: khosro u gotta Dcide
- [17:56] %KhosroTheGreat: when do art subs start in actual CAP?
- [17:56] Animaignis: Huge Power as hidden ability GG :P
- [17:56] +Da Pizza Man: after type khoso
- [17:56] Animaignis: double that 55 attack stat rofl
- [17:57] %KhosroTheGreat: k submit plz Sunfished
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- [17:57] Animaignis: We gotta do Huge Power peoples :P
- [17:57] %KhosroTheGreat: azu has 50 atk
- [17:57] %KhosroTheGreat: js
- [17:57] +Sunfished: http://puu.sh/ngAT4/8a90282e1f.png
- [17:57] Animaignis: Diggersby has 55
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- [17:57] +Da Pizza Man: also guys can we please not let flavor interefere with competive choice
- [17:57] +Sunfished: sorry if I trigger people
- [17:57] Animaignis: o_0 scary af
- [17:57] +Sunfished: ovo
- [17:57] Animaignis: im scarwed
- [17:57] Reapehify: Sunfished, you took inspiration from Kirby Triple Deluxe, didn't you?
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- [17:57] +Sunfished: indeed
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- [17:57] Animaignis: is it using its ass as a cannon? o_0
- [17:58] +Sunfished: I name it
- [17:58] • Animaignis is disturbed
- [17:58] +Sunfished: Bronzecho
- [17:58] +Da Pizza Man: what abilities do we have so far
- [17:58] +Sunfished: :^)
- [17:58] %KhosroTheGreat: not yet but k
- [17:58] Animaignis: \o/
- [17:58] Reapehify: I like that.
- [17:58] Yojimbro: Its a seperate Bronzong evo path
- [17:58] Yojimbro: lol
- [17:58] Animaignis: rofl
- [17:58] Jack Ferry: can we have naughty mode
- [17:58] #HeaLnDeaL: we'll have an art vote after secondary ability
- [17:58] Jack Ferry: for uhh science reasons
- [17:58] Animaignis: XD
- [17:58] Reapehify: Naughty Mode Cute Charm for ability.
- [17:58] Animaignis: dang that naughty mode tho
- [17:58] Reapehify: Game over.
- [17:58] Ria: Bronzonetta
- [17:58] %KhosroTheGreat: infiiltrator, magician, pressure, wonder skin
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- [17:58] Reapehify: Immunity.
- [17:58] %KhosroTheGreat: cursed body
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- [17:58] Reapehify: I just like that.
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- [17:59] +Da Pizza Man: infiltrator
- [17:59] Animaignis: Magician mPeeps \o/
- [17:59] +Da Pizza Man: kills subs and is inferior to magic bounce
- [17:59] Animaignis: what was Sunfish thinking of when drawing "naughty mode" 9_9
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- [17:59] %KhosroTheGreat: ooh
- [17:59] Jack Ferry: what you think when you see it
- [17:59] %KhosroTheGreat: thick fat
- [17:59] Animaignis: XD
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- [17:59] Animaignis: I can't draw worth shit otherwise i would submit something :I
- [17:59] #HeaLnDeaL: koso, aroma veil
- [18:00] Reapehify: I like Dry Skin.
- [18:00] Snorlax_in_the_way: gday gday
- [18:00] #HeaLnDeaL: *wonder skin
- [18:00] Reapehify: Dry Skin/Wonder Skin combo.
- [18:00] Snorlax_in_the_way: hai heal, and khos
- [18:00] Animaignis: Should I draw something anyways? :P
- [18:00] #HeaLnDeaL: hi snor
- [18:00] +Da Pizza Man: no competive ability
- [18:00] %KhosroTheGreat: also aroma veil, but I think wonder skin and aroma veil are both redundant
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- [18:00] #HeaLnDeaL: yeah sure ani
- [18:00] Snorlax_in_the_way: heal
- [18:00] %KhosroTheGreat: do we have a third ability?
- [18:00] Snorlax_in_the_way: crucibelle isn't strong enough
- [18:00] +Da Pizza Man: honestly khosro they are both redundant
- [18:00] %KhosroTheGreat: flavor ability?
- [18:00] +Da Pizza Man: khosro yes but its flavor
- [18:00] Reapehify: We should have a second less competitive and third totally flavour.
- [18:00] Reapehify: Wonder Skin/Dry Skin.
- [18:01] %KhosroTheGreat: dry skin could be a think
- [18:01] %KhosroTheGreat: lets us beat krill a little easier
- [18:01] #HeaLnDeaL: true
- [18:01] #HeaLnDeaL: but seems kinda good
- [18:01] #HeaLnDeaL: less good than bounce I suppose
- [18:01] Reapehify: See. I'm totally thoughtful. :^)
- [18:01] +Da Pizza Man: problem is magic bounce is really good
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- [18:01] %KhosroTheGreat: lightningrod and volt absorb also can help
- [18:01] Yojimbro: Levitate lets you get in on Colo EQ
- [18:01] Reapehify: Yeah.
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- [18:02] %KhosroTheGreat: but I'm not hyped to give it random ass immunity abilities
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- [18:02] Reapehify: Yeah.
- [18:02] %KhosroTheGreat: levitate sounds really useful tho
- [18:02] Reapehify: I like the whole skin angle.
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- [18:02] +Da Pizza Man: wonder skin is literally a worse magic bounce
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- [18:02] +Da Pizza Man: i don't really like it
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- [18:03] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [18:03] #HeaLnDeaL: oh true
- [18:03] #HeaLnDeaL: eh
- [18:03] Drizzleboy: Here's my ghost-fairy sketch http://imgur.com/xmJS8Sh
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- [18:04] %KhosroTheGreat: Starting to write slate now
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- [18:04] kbrph: hey how long's left for this cap?
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- [18:04] %KhosroTheGreat: It's an unofficial CAP kbrph
- [18:04] kbrph: okay gotcha thanks
- [18:04] #HeaLnDeaL: we're wrapping up secondary ability soon, then we'll have a short break. at xx:30 art polls should start
- [18:06] Ria: So with the second ability we're looking for something to fill the gap for Magic Bouce?
- [18:06] +Da Pizza Man: yes
- [18:06] %KhosroTheGreat: http://pastebin.com/1GzS1wvK slate
- [18:06] %KhosroTheGreat: last chance to say anything before I put up poll
- [18:06] #HeaLnDeaL: slate looks decent
- [18:06] Ria: I got nothing
- [18:07] Ria: Maybe Levitate
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- [18:07] +Da Pizza Man: who here is the bozo who said magician
- [18:07] #HeaLnDeaL: but
- [18:07] Yojimbro: Filter
- [18:07] #HeaLnDeaL: Idk, I might add lightning rod for kril too
- [18:07] %KhosroTheGreat: levitate i'll add
- [18:07] %KhosroTheGreat: same with rod
- [18:07] +Da Pizza Man: no filter please
- [18:07] #HeaLnDeaL: since the only reason dry skin is on is for kril
- [18:07] Yojimbro: hahaha
- [18:07] Animaignis: i said magician, DPM :P
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- [18:08] %KhosroTheGreat: why lightningrod over volt absorb, heal?
- [18:08] +Sunfished: cute charm
- [18:08] #HeaLnDeaL: +sp atk is nice since we're a sp atk
- (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
- (A poll was started by KhosroTheGreat.)
- [18:09] %KhosroTheGreat: cute charm is too flavor
- [18:09] %KhosroTheGreat: good one for flavor ability tho
- [18:09] +Sunfished: :((((
- [18:09] #HeaLnDeaL: wut was the reasoning behind levitate?
- [18:09] %KhosroTheGreat: colo
- [18:09] %KhosroTheGreat: and e-power
- [18:09] #HeaLnDeaL: eh okay
- [18:10] %KhosroTheGreat: and it's a ghost so it made sense
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- [18:10] #HeaLnDeaL: not like flavor matters (yet) but okay
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- [18:11] %KhosroTheGreat: vote people vote!
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- [18:12] #HeaLnDeaL: hi Fiend Hound
- [18:12] +Fiend Hound: hello
- [18:12] #HeaLnDeaL: we're making a flash cap : O
- [18:12] +Fiend Hound: i love how bad some of those abilities are
- [18:13] #HeaLnDeaL: ye this is secondary ability
- [18:13] #HeaLnDeaL: Magic Bounce won primary ability
- [18:13] %KhosroTheGreat: wow I keep getting ninja'd by heal
- [18:13] %KhosroTheGreat: rip too slow
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- [18:14] %KhosroTheGreat: 30 secs until ending
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- [18:15] %KhosroTheGreat: k
- (The poll was ended by KhosroTheGreat.)
- Poll ended What should our FlashCAP's ability be?
- 1. Infiltrator (3 votes)
- 21%
- 2. Magician (3 votes)
- 21%
- 3. Dry Skin (1 vote)
- 7%
- 4. Pressure (1 vote)
- 7%
- 5. Cursed Body (0 votes)
- 0%
- 6. Levitate (5 votes)
- 36%
- 7. Lightningrod (1 vote)
- 7%
- [18:15] Yojimbro: awwww yeah
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- [18:15] %KhosroTheGreat: poll 2 now?
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- [18:15] #HeaLnDeaL: sure
- [18:15] Ria: Yeah
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- (A poll was started by KhosroTheGreat.)
- [18:16] %KhosroTheGreat: IMO infiltrator is the best
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- [18:16] Reapehify: It's a ghost type, of course it can infiltrate.
- [18:17] CantGreggMe: But it can also levitate :)
- [18:17] #HeaLnDeaL: hi Animus Majulous, we're making a flash cap
- [18:17] Snorlax_in_the_way: heal
- [18:17] Snorlax_in_the_way: what typing does it have
- [18:17] %KhosroTheGreat: I like how it actually does something vs tomo
- [18:17] @Animus Majulous: what's a flash cap?
- [18:17] Ria: Ghost/Fairy
- [18:17] CantGreggMe: Ghost/Fairy
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- [18:17] CantGreggMe: gdi!
- [18:17] Ria: :)
- [18:17] Snorlax_in_the_way: I wasn't reallying paying attention but I like polls
- [18:17] Snorlax_in_the_way: o
- [18:17] #HeaLnDeaL: fairy/ghost, magic bounce/?, 90/55/90/125/102/113 (575 BST)
- [18:17] Snorlax_in_the_way: I always forget you guys put flavor first
- [18:17] %KhosroTheGreat: we don't
- [18:18] #HeaLnDeaL: concept: I eat tomo for breakfast
- [18:18] Snorlax_in_the_way: i was wondering why so many people picked levitate
- [18:18] Ria: Concept is something something beating up Tomohawk
- [18:18] Ria: yeah that
- [18:18] Snorlax_in_the_way: it has no ground weakness
- [18:18] Animaignis: what i miss? i was afk for like 10 min x_x
- [18:18] CantGreggMe: It was a more gimmicky vote tbh
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- [18:18] %KhosroTheGreat: its secondary ability where primary is mb
- [18:18] %KhosroTheGreat: so it's really just filling a niche
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- [18:19] %KhosroTheGreat: infil lets it beat subs (in particular sub tomo) and levi lets it dodge e-power and colo eq
- [18:19] @Animus Majulous: this cap is broken
- [18:19] @gdaY: yup
- [18:19] Ria: lol
- [18:19] %KhosroTheGreat: yeah I'm sorry
- [18:19] #HeaLnDeaL: it's eating tomo for breakfast, going to be lil broken I guess
- [18:19] %KhosroTheGreat: I mean we can still save it
- [18:20] @Animus Majulous: > still save it LOL
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- [18:20] @Animus Majulous: it also beats colo too
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- [18:20] @Animus Majulous: that makes it too good lol
- [18:20] @Animus Majulous: no levitate
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- [18:20] #HeaLnDeaL: ye because colo is a tomo partner
- [18:20] %KhosroTheGreat: we wanted it to beat colo tho
- [18:20] Reapehify: And Cyclohm.
- [18:20] @Animus Majulous: even tho i voted levitate
- [18:20] @Animus Majulous: i didn't know this was what it was for
- [18:20] #HeaLnDeaL: rof
- [18:20] +Da Pizza Man: end el poll
- [18:20] Ria: Well Cyclohm is not a special tank anyway
- [18:20] %KhosroTheGreat: 30 secs until poll ends
- [18:20] Yojimbro: it is supposed to be a soft check to all of CAP
- [18:20] +Da Pizza Man: oh
- [18:20] Yojimbro: from what it looks like
- [18:20] #HeaLnDeaL: I think if we dont give it recovery it will at least not steal too much thunder from sab
- [18:21] Desokoro: The next concept could focus on beating this if it gets too out of hand, although constantly creating things to counter others is a little repetitive.
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- [18:21] %KhosroTheGreat: k
- (The poll was ended by KhosroTheGreat.)
- Poll ended What should our FlashCAP's ability be?
- 1. Infiltrator (8 votes)
- 53%
- 2. Magician (1 vote)
- 7%
- 3. Levitate (6 votes)
- 40%
- [18:21] +Da Pizza Man: infiltrator wins
- [18:21] %KhosroTheGreat: Infiltrator is our secondary ability
- [18:21] %KhosroTheGreat: Is it moves next
- [18:21] +Da Pizza Man: yes
- [18:22] #HeaLnDeaL: no art first
- [18:22] %KhosroTheGreat: is this art break?
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- [18:23] #HeaLnDeaL: yeah
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- [18:23] #HeaLnDeaL: I'll get the art poll up around xx:30 or xx:35
- [18:23] #HeaLnDeaL: if you want to start moves discussion, wouldn't hurt too much I guess
- [18:24] %KhosroTheGreat: I'll give people some time to draw I think
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- [18:24] +Twix: do you guys have like
- [18:24] +Twix: sample sets
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- [18:24] @Animus Majulous: hey guys
- [18:24] @Animus Majulous: monotype room is having a cap tour
- [18:24] #HeaLnDeaL: for CAPmons, you mean?
- [18:24] %KhosroTheGreat: hi and yes we do
- [18:24] +Twix: yes HeaLnDeaL
- [18:25] +Deck Knight: Moonblast/Shadow Ball/Will-O-Wisp/Softboiled
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- [18:25] %KhosroTheGreat: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/cap-metagame-index-thread.3562128/
- [18:25] %KhosroTheGreat: links and sample CAPmon sets
- [18:25] #HeaLnDeaL: ^ look there twix
- [18:25] +Twix: ty
- [18:25] #HeaLnDeaL: I thin softboiled is too OP
- [18:25] Reapehify: Monotype CAP.
- [18:25] +Twix: are you guys ever going to do tutoring
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- [18:25] #HeaLnDeaL: makes us way better than sab
- [18:25] +Deck Knight: Moonblast/Shadow Ball/Will-O-Wisp/Moonlight
- [18:25] Reapehify: Monotype CAP or be dq'd
- [18:25] #HeaLnDeaL: yeah we're planning a tutor week sometime in the near future, twix
- [18:26] +Twix: cool
- [18:26] Animaignis: ungh im too lazy and tiered to do any more art stuff here is sub for flashcap http://imgur.com/eZ9S763 x_x
- [18:26] @Animus Majulous: no bolds...
- [18:26] Animaignis: sadly it looks more like a frail physical attacker x_x
- [18:27] #HeaLnDeaL: hmm
- [18:27] #HeaLnDeaL: I wonder if I can make a 5 min sketch
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- [18:27] #HeaLnDeaL: brb
- [18:27] +Deck Knight: Moonblast/Toxic/Hex/Stealth Rock
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- [18:28] +Deck Knight: Calm Mind/Draining Kiss/Shadow Ball/Heal Bell
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- [18:29] +Deck Knight: Discuss.
- [18:30] Ria: Honestly I'd like to shy away from boosting moves
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- [18:34] #HeaLnDeaL: k, art poll will be up at xx:40
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- [18:40] Animaignis: can we wait till xx: 45?
- [18:41] #HeaLnDeaL: do you really want to?
- [18:41] Animaignis: yea
- [18:41] Animaignis: im uploading a file rite now
- [18:41] #HeaLnDeaL: k
- [18:41] Animaignis: thx
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- [18:42] DrapionSwing: So flash cap done?
- [18:42] Animaignis: k im good http://imgur.com/i4afIva
- [18:42] Ria: Doing art atm iirc
- [18:43] #HeaLnDeaL: also pls provide a 10 word or less description
- [18:43] Animaignis: alrite
- [18:43] DrapionSwing: Ani, too hardcore I think
- [18:43] Animaignis: in pastebin?
- [18:43] DrapionSwing: Make it more elegant
- [18:43] Animaignis: eh its to fit the stats
- [18:43] Animaignis: we got a fighter
- [18:44] DrapionSwing: If it had a more humble look
- [18:44] DrapionSwing: like hands held in the middle
- [18:44] Animaignis: i can try, but i wud need more time so im just gonna work on description
- [18:44] DrapionSwing: Ahh ok <3
- [18:44] Animaignis: so unless people really wanna see revised version if it wins, then im not planning on revise
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- [18:46] #HeaLnDeaL: who made this one? http://imgur.com/eZ9S763
- [18:47] DrapionSwing: That looks like something out of Amazing World of Gumball
- [18:47] DrapionSwing: I'm not sure what particularly
- [18:48] %KhosroTheGreat: ani did I think
- [18:48] Animaignis: that was me heaL
- [18:48] Animaignis: practice warmup
- [18:48] #HeaLnDeaL: oh
- [18:48] #HeaLnDeaL: okay
- [18:48] Animaignis: i thought it looked too Physical
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- [18:48] Animaignis: alrite i have link and description in pastebinhttp://pastebin.com/899CW3Pu
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- [18:48] Animaignis: 10 words exact
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- [18:49] DrapionSwing: ani
- [18:49] DrapionSwing: You lowkey drew on some tits
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- [18:49] Animaignis: so? i drew it feminine, yes
- [18:49] DrapionSwing: Nah just an observation I made :L
- [18:50] Animaignis: If it wins il probs redraw it to make it look better with chest diamond (currently slightly off) and try to make it look more elegant and fairy-ish
- [18:50] Animaignis: hai CB
- [18:51] @cbrevan: yo
- [18:51] capmono ftw: cbrevan!
- [18:51] capmono ftw: hi!
- [18:51] DrapionSwing: Animaignis just make it less intimidating
- [18:51] @cbrevan: gday :)
- [18:51] Animaignis: If it wins
- [18:51] capmono ftw: ew
- [18:51] capmono ftw: don't do that
- [18:51] @cbrevan: hehe
- [18:51] DrapionSwing: Good luck Animaignis :3
- [18:52] Animaignis: I wanted to make it look intimidating enough to beat Tomo, who is obvs pretty intimidating based off it's ability Intimidate :P
- [18:52] Animaignis: but yea rite now.....
- [18:52] Animaignis: <needs redoing>
- [18:53] #HeaLnDeaL: k I think I have everything
- [18:53] #HeaLnDeaL: watch this poll fail
- [18:53] DrapionSwing: lol
- [18:53] Animaignis: rofl
- [18:53] Animaignis: everyones gonna be afk
- [18:53] DrapionSwing: double lol
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- (A poll was started by HeaLnDeaL.)
- [18:53] Ria: uh
- [18:53] #HeaLnDeaL: copy and paste the links to view image
- [18:54] #HeaLnDeaL: 5 and 6 is both Animaignis
- [18:54] Animaignis: rofl heal u messed up poll my sub is two things
- [18:54] Ria: Uh kinda can't
- [18:54] Animaignis: ninja'd
- [18:54] DrapionSwing: ^
- [18:54] Animaignis: \o/
- [18:54] #HeaLnDeaL: k I'll post images one by one
- [18:54] +Sunfished: oh, lol
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- [18:54] @cbrevan: do i see
- [18:54] kbrph: oh shoot i tried to click a link and i posted
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- [18:54] #HeaLnDeaL: heal: http://imgur.com/woUurs6
- [18:54] #HeaLnDeaL: sungod: http://puu.sh/ngCfU/de6ecef888.png
- [18:54] +Sunfished: I accidnelty clicked the first one and forgot it was a button
- [18:54] @cbrevan: a ghost racoon w/ a dandelion wand
- [18:54] +Sunfished: yeah same kb XD
- [18:54] Animaignis: lol
- [18:55] DrapionSwing: sungod's is dope
- [18:55] #HeaLnDeaL: http://imgur.com/xmJS8Sh drizzleboy
- [18:55] #HeaLnDeaL: http://imgur.com/4RQC1pe mcguffin
- [18:55] +Sunfished: why thanks you :D
- [18:55] #HeaLnDeaL: http://imgur.com/i4afIva Animaignis
- (The poll was ended by HeaLnDeaL.)
- Poll ended vote on concept art doodles
- 1. HeaL http://imgur.com/woUurs6 ghost raccoon w dandelion wand and butterfly mask (3 votes)
- 75%
- 2. sungod http://puu.sh/ngCfU/de6ecef888.png dingdong annoys tomo with bell(0 votes)
- 0%
- 3. drizzleboy http://imgur.com/xmJS8Sh fallen angel (0 votes)
- 0%
- 4. mcguffin http://imgur.com/4RQC1pe wendigo made of stars (0 votes)
- 0%
- 5. anima http://imgur.com/i4afIva Armor represents defenses (1 vote)
- 25%
- 6. Tries to look ghostly. Slightly ninja-ish. (0 votes)
- 0%
- [18:55] #HeaLnDeaL: redoing poll
- [18:55] Animaignis: 4 votes \o/ seems legit
- (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
- (A poll was started by HeaLnDeaL.)
- [18:56] @cbrevan: the naughty mode lmao
- [18:56] DrapionSwing: Mcguffin and sungods is dope
- [18:56] DrapionSwing: Like really dope
- [18:56] Animaignis: mine is weed
- [18:56] #HeaLnDeaL: I literally made mine in 5 minutes from concept to end
- [18:56] Animaignis: :P
- [18:56] DrapionSwing: Naughty mode xD
- [18:56] #HeaLnDeaL: ye sungod's is amazing : )
- [18:56] +Sunfished: danke
- [18:57] DrapionSwing: HeaLnDeaL what did you make your pic in?
- [18:57] Mcguffin: Thanks!
- [18:57] Animaignis: dank af
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- [18:57] #HeaLnDeaL: I just used paint.net and my touch screen comp w/ stylus
- [18:57] DrapionSwing: oh
- [18:58] Animaignis: lol
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- [18:58] #HeaLnDeaL: fyi, winner is allowed to touch up their art if they want
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- [18:59] DrapionSwing: Who is sungod?
- [18:59] #HeaLnDeaL: Sunfished
- [18:59] %KhosroTheGreat: sunfished
- [18:59] Animaignis: ^
- [18:59] DrapionSwing: oh
- [18:59] DrapionSwing: i knew that
- [18:59] Animaignis: mmhmm
- [18:59] +Sunfished: :D
- [18:59] @cbrevan: sunfished is one of our three resident gods
- [18:59] @cbrevan: along w/ healgod and DJGOD
- [18:59] Animaignis: lol
- [18:59] @cbrevan: especially DJGOD
- [18:59] Snorlax_in_the_way: tbf
- [19:00] Snorlax_in_the_way: i was looking for sungod
- [19:00] DrapionSwing: So basically
- [19:00] +Twix: what does rebound bounce back
- [19:00] @cbrevan: anything magic bounce would
- [19:00] capmono ftw: only on the switch tho
- [19:00] +Twix: oh
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- [19:01] %KhosroTheGreat: guys reaper got to semis in CAP Mono tour
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- [19:01] %KhosroTheGreat: with steel mono and ddance navi
- [19:01] #HeaLnDeaL: closing poll and doing finals in 2 min
- [19:01] DrapionSwing: Sunfished how'd you make your design so well?
- [19:01] Animaignis: lol
- [19:01] Animaignis: yus plz
- [19:01] Animaignis: do tell
- [19:02] DrapionSwing: ^
- [19:02] %KhosroTheGreat: sungod = godly
- [19:02] %KhosroTheGreat: it's that simple
- [19:02] +Sunfished: It's quite a tale
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- [19:02] +Sunfished: back in elementary, whenever my teacher got mad at someone, she would ring a bell in their face
- [19:02] +Sunfished: I believe the same thing would happen to tomo
- [19:03] Animaignis: \o/
- [19:03] DrapionSwing: I'm actually so fcking done
- [19:03] +Sunfished: my #inspiration
- (The poll was ended by HeaLnDeaL.)
- Poll ended vote on concept art doodles
- 1. HeaL http://imgur.com/woUurs6 ghost raccoon w dandelion wand and butterfly mask (5 votes)
- 33%
- 2. sungod http://puu.sh/ngCfU/de6ecef888.png dingdong annoys tomo with bell(6 votes)
- 40%
- 3. drizzleboy http://imgur.com/xmJS8Sh fallen angel (0 votes)
- 0%
- 4. mcguffin http://imgur.com/4RQC1pe wendigo made of stars (2 votes)
- 13%
- 5. anima http://imgur.com/i4afIva Armor represents defenses Tries to look ghostly Slightly ninja-ish. (2 votes)
- 13%
- [19:03] #HeaLnDeaL: k... so top two move on
- [19:03] capmono ftw: naughty mode!!
- [19:03] DrapionSwing: What's the name of the mon?
- [19:03] capmono ftw: oh
- [19:03] DrapionSwing: Have we decided?
- [19:03] Animaignis: no
- [19:04] +Sunfished: yay!
- [19:04] +Sunfished: name the pre-evo Ding and the current mon Dong
- [19:04] +Sunfished: :^D
- [19:04] DrapionSwing: omg
- [19:04] DrapionSwing: no
- [19:04] DrapionSwing: xD
- [19:04] #HeaLnDeaL: heal http://imgur.com/woUurs6
- [19:04] #HeaLnDeaL: sungod http://puu.sh/ngCfU/de6ecef888.png
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- [19:04] DrapionSwing: Klink Klang
- [19:05] DrapionSwing: Ghosberu
- [19:05] DrapionSwing: Japanese for ghost bell lel
- [19:05] Animaignis: lol
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- [19:06] DrapionSwing: Ghosberu use naughty mode
- [19:06] DrapionSwing: now use tail whip!
- [19:06] Animaignis: o_0
- [19:06] %KhosroTheGreat: totally not name poll jump
- [19:06] Blawado: naughty mode ?
- [19:06] Blawado: wtf
- [19:06] @cbrevan: how is ghosberu japanese
- [19:07] DrapionSwing: It's not full japanese
- [19:07] Animaignis: .-.
- [19:07] DrapionSwing: Beru = bell
- [19:07] @cbrevan: "gho" isn't even a character in japanese
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- Poll ended vote on concept art doodles
- 1. HeaL http://imgur.com/woUurs6 ghost raccoon w dandelion wand and butterfly mask (2 votes)
- 20%
- 2. sungod http://puu.sh/ngCfU/de6ecef888.png dingdong annoys tomo with bell(8 votes)
- 80%
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- [19:07] #HeaLnDeaL: grats sungod!
- [19:07] +Sunfished: yay!
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- [19:07] DrapionSwing: "Gōsuto" is ghost
- [19:07] %KhosroTheGreat: gratz
- [19:07] +Sunfished: heal yours was a good concept :D
- [19:07] capmono ftw: or yuurei
- [19:07] DrapionSwing: But Gosutoberu is ugly
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- [19:07] +Sunfished: That's if you romanize the name
- [19:07] %KhosroTheGreat: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-cap-334172651support reaper in CAP mono tour semis
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- [19:10] #HeaLnDeaL: ...
- [19:10] %KhosroTheGreat: so first port of call is wisp
- [19:10] Animaignis: i mean, lookit dem legs
- [19:10] DrapionSwing: ^
- [19:10] %KhosroTheGreat: hjk random af
- [19:11] DrapionSwing: U wot?
- [19:11] @cbrevan: competitive movesets breh
- [19:11] DrapionSwing: Look at naughty mode.
- [19:11] Animaignis: yes
- [19:11] Ria: Is there a list of competitive moves?
- [19:11] %KhosroTheGreat: hjk isn't competitive
- [19:11] @cbrevan: hjk is trash w/ 55 base attack
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- [19:11] Animaignis: its flavour
- [19:11] DrapionSwing: #coverage
- [19:11] DrapionSwing: xD
- [19:11] %KhosroTheGreat: so
- [19:11] DrapionSwing: Psychic
- [19:11] %KhosroTheGreat: wisp?
- [19:11] Animaignis: It needs Hyper Beam
- [19:11] %KhosroTheGreat: Guys focus
- [19:11] DrapionSwing: Khos I think twave over wisp
- [19:12] DrapionSwing: I can't imagine a bell throwing fire balls at me
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- [19:12] @cbrevan: ani we're not doing flavour moves yet
- [19:12] DrapionSwing: with its mind?
- [19:12] Animaignis: alrite
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- [19:12] DrapionSwing: Twave is like a shock from the ringing
- [19:12] %KhosroTheGreat: guys let's not think so much about flavor as much as competitive viability
- [19:12] Animaignis: Heal Bell, Shadow Ball, Moonblast, REcover
- [19:12] @cbrevan: lets not give it twave imo
- [19:12] @cbrevan: enough things get skillwave already
- [19:12] Animaignis: no Twave imo
- [19:12] Mcguffin: WoW it's a ghost
- [19:12] #HeaLnDeaL: I think recover makes it too much better than mega sab
- [19:12] Animaignis: looks so ghostly
- [19:13] %KhosroTheGreat: could we give it something like morning sun?
- [19:13] Animaignis: .-.
- [19:13] DrapionSwing: Morning sun 0_o?
- [19:13] #HeaLnDeaL: or moonlight
- [19:13] %KhosroTheGreat: ^
- [19:13] Animaignis: yes Moonlight better
- [19:13] %KhosroTheGreat: moonlight much better
- [19:13] #HeaLnDeaL: idk, better than recover at least
- [19:13] DrapionSwing: I think draining kiss as recovery option.
- [19:13] #HeaLnDeaL: I'm not 100% sold tho
- [19:13] %KhosroTheGreat: let's take moves 1 at a time
- [19:14] #HeaLnDeaL: draining kiss is kinda week
- [19:14] @cbrevan: draining kiss is very underwhelming
- [19:14] #HeaLnDeaL: *weak
- [19:14] Animaignis: true
- [19:14] DrapionSwing: But moonlight
- [19:14] %KhosroTheGreat: d-kiss is not really competitive enough
- [19:14] %KhosroTheGreat: thoughts on wisp?
- [19:14] Animaignis: eh
- [19:14] DrapionSwing: Realistically should it even get recovery?
- [19:14] #HeaLnDeaL: I'm torn on wisp
- [19:14] @cbrevan: what did we want to threaten exactly
- [19:14] @cbrevan: besides tomo/gross
- [19:14] %KhosroTheGreat: let's it check some stuff that we don't want it to
- [19:14] Ria: I really don't think it should get good recovery
- [19:14] DrapionSwing: ^
- [19:14] #HeaLnDeaL: tomo, gross, krill, colo
- [19:15] @cbrevan: okay
- [19:15] %KhosroTheGreat: May have to go soon
- [19:15] %KhosroTheGreat: *now
- [19:15] #HeaLnDeaL: rip
- [19:15] %KhosroTheGreat: sorry guys
- [19:15] Reapehify: The only healing move it should get is Pain Split.
- [19:15] @cbrevan: literally any kind of recovery guarantees it checks tomo/krill
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- [19:15] #HeaLnDeaL: I guess I'll have to take over
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- [19:15] DrapionSwing: Then give it draining kiss
- [19:15] DrapionSwing: and not moonlight
- [19:15] @cbrevan: which is pretty nice
- [19:15] Ria: I'm okay with Pain Split
- [19:15] DrapionSwing: ^
- [19:15] Reapehify: ^
- [19:15] DrapionSwing: or p-split nice one Reapehify
- [19:16] DrapionSwing: Ria*
- [19:16] #HeaLnDeaL: pain split seems reasonable
- [19:16] Reapehify: I know it does.
- [19:16] Reapehify: And with that, I'm off as well.
- [19:16] Reapehify: Cheers mates.
- [19:16] DrapionSwing: lol
- [19:16] @cbrevan: pain split would work since krill/colo/tomo have inflated af hp stats
- [19:16] DrapionSwing: seeya
- [19:16] Animaignis: Main Split for dayz
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- [19:16] Animaignis: Pain*
- [19:16] #HeaLnDeaL: okay, so who does NOT want pain split
- [19:16] DrapionSwing: I think it should get energy ball
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- [19:17] Candle Jerk: It's a ghost, it's almost mandatory for it to have Pain Split
- [19:17] #HeaLnDeaL: we're doing competitive moves, not flavor atm
- [19:17] Animaignis: look at Chimecho's and Bronzong's movepools for reference
- [19:17] DrapionSwing: ^they're both psychic types
- [19:17] +Sunfished: I don't think you should consider its design/typing when you're making movepools, I think
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- [19:18] DrapionSwing: I think design is important in moves
- [19:18] Reapehify: You should consider its egg groups.
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- [19:18] #HeaLnDeaL: you can for movepools,not for movesets
- [19:18] +Sunfished: oh
- [19:18] #HeaLnDeaL: we're doing movesets right now
- [19:18] DrapionSwing: That's like trying to tell me chimeco can use hjk :L
- [19:18] +Da Pizza Man: Are we seriously doing flavor reasoning
- [19:18] +Da Pizza Man: lol
- [19:18] #HeaLnDeaL: so no flavor right now pls
- [19:18] Animaignis: i heavly dislike the Wood Hammer incident
- [19:18] +Da Pizza Man: ani how was that an incident?
- [19:18] Reapehify: It's a bell ghost, so fairy/mineral would be its egg type, likely.
- [19:18] +Da Pizza Man: that was coverage we needed
- [19:18] Animaignis: because it was bad imo
- [19:18] @cbrevan: for movesets, only consider competitive usage
- [19:18] DrapionSwing: HeaLnDeaL what other moves ?
- [19:18] #HeaLnDeaL: shut up about egg groups
- [19:18] #HeaLnDeaL: we're not there yet
- [19:19] Animaignis: It threw feeling like a pokemon out the windor
- [19:19] Animaignis: windw*
- [19:19] DrapionSwing: HeaLnDeaL curse
- [19:19] #HeaLnDeaL: competitive only discussion pls kids
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- [19:19] Animaignis: >.> RIP my spelling today
- [19:19] #HeaLnDeaL: curse is not competitive on a ghost type
- [19:19] DrapionSwing: and destiny bond
- [19:19] Aubisio: what are you talking about
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- [19:19] Aubisio: what are you talking about/
- [19:19] Aubisio: oops
- [19:19] Animaignis: It should have Destiny Bond definetly
- [19:20] Candle Jerk: I don't know if it needs Dbond
- [19:20] #HeaLnDeaL: so far, our confirmed moves are mooblast, shadow ball, and pain split. only discuss competitive moves that are viable on a set pls
- [19:20] DrapionSwing: Ok D-bond next heal
- [19:20] #HeaLnDeaL: ugh
- [19:20] #HeaLnDeaL: sigh
- [19:20] @cbrevan: do we want any sort of coverage on steel types
- [19:20] DrapionSwing: D-bond is competitive.
- [19:20] #HeaLnDeaL: let's talk about wisp first
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- [19:20] DrapionSwing: ok
- [19:20] Candle Jerk: aprove
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- [19:20] Animaignis: eh Wisp would hit colo. bad imo
- [19:20] Animaignis: the Guts
- [19:20] DrapionSwing: Idm, but I prefer it not to get wisp.
- [19:20] @cbrevan: you just
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- [19:20] @cbrevan: moonblast colo
- [19:21] @cbrevan: and don't wisp it
- [19:21] #HeaLnDeaL: wisp is primarily for mega gross
- [19:21] DrapionSwing: I abstain.
- [19:21] Candle Jerk: ^
- [19:21] Animaignis: ah
- [19:21] @cbrevan: how hard do we want to be threatened by steels?
- [19:21] SamHPL: What are you guys doing?
- [19:21] #HeaLnDeaL: we want scizor, ferro, and heatran to mess with us
- [19:21] Animaignis: probably decently well
- [19:21] #HeaLnDeaL: we're making a flash cap
- [19:21] +Da Pizza Man: Don't we already hit mega meta for se stab?
- [19:22] +Da Pizza Man: also who is tl right now
- [19:22] DrapionSwing: If you want scizor to mess with you don't use wisp.
- [19:22] Candle Jerk: aside from Megagross I believe every other Steel is supposed to be a problem
- [19:22] Ria: HeaL is tl
- [19:22] @cbrevan: wisp cripples ferro pretty badly
- [19:22] +Da Pizza Man: no wisp
- [19:22] #HeaLnDeaL: http://pastebin.com/2q6Bkh47
- [19:22] SamHPL: Ghost/Fairy?
- [19:22] #HeaLnDeaL: ye
- [19:22] SamHPL: cool
- [19:22] DrapionSwing: So is that a no for wisp?
- [19:23] +Da Pizza Man: the conses voted yes
- [19:23] #HeaLnDeaL: wisp is very slightly winning the polls
- [19:23] DrapionSwing: Because if you want ferro and scizor to mess us up then that doesn't work.
- [19:23] +Da Pizza Man: ^
- [19:23] DrapionSwing: It's a good move
- [19:23] #HeaLnDeaL: but scizor has BP and kills us before we wisp
- [19:23] @cbrevan: it really messes up ferro
- [19:23] #HeaLnDeaL: ferro is the only prollum
- [19:23] DrapionSwing: Does it kill us b4 wisp?
- [19:23] DrapionSwing: Whats the base stat?
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- [19:24] +Da Pizza Man: If one person brings up flavor...
- [19:24] DrapionSwing: You know I think it should get whirlpool, <<< for you Da Pizza Man :*
- [19:24] #HeaLnDeaL: our stats are 90/55/90/120/102/113
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- [19:25] Animaignis: ;-;
- [19:25] +Da Pizza Man: wait why
- [19:25] Aubisio: Does it learn Wish?
- [19:25] Aubisio: it should
- [19:25] #HeaLnDeaL: he was taunting you
- [19:25] Animaignis: So do we really want Ferrothorn and Heatran threatening?
- [19:25] Aubisio: and whatsits abilities?
- [19:25] Animaignis: he was joking around HeaL
- [19:26] #HeaLnDeaL: yeah it wasn't funny Animaignis
- [19:26] SamHPL: Does it get a boosting move like NP, CM or TG?
- [19:26] #HeaLnDeaL: no boosting moves as per our concept
- [19:26] Animaignis: It could have Aura Sphere or Earth Power coverage if we want select Steel types to threaten
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- [19:26] #HeaLnDeaL: http://pastebin.com/dYKBrRPD
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- [19:26] @cbrevan: imo we shouldn't get any ground/fire/fighting coverage
- [19:26] #HeaLnDeaL: we do not want to beat up tran, so EP is a no
- [19:26] @cbrevan: either one removes on of our checks
- [19:27] #HeaLnDeaL: and fire seems off limits too
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- Poll ended wisp?
- 1. yes wisp (5 votes)
- 50%
- 2. no wisp (5 votes)
- 50%
- [19:27] Animaignis: .-.
- [19:27] #HeaLnDeaL: k, it's a dead tie
- [19:27] @cbrevan: no wisp imo
- [19:27] Ria: lol
- [19:27] Animaignis: that tie tho
- [19:27] Ria: Maybe
- [19:27] Aubisio: Yes wisp
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- [19:27] Ria: We should discuss more moves and come back to Wisp later
- [19:27] SamHPL: no imo
- [19:27] Animaignis: no wisp methinks
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- [19:28] +vulpix mayhem: e.e
- /ds will-o-wisp, all:
- Absol, Arcanine, Arceus, Banette, Blaziken, Braixen, Camerupt, Chandelure, Charizard, Charmander, Charmeleon, Chimchar, Cofagrigus, Combusken, Cyndaquil, Darkrai, Darmanitan, Darumaka, Delphox, Drifblim, Drifloon, Dusclops, Dusknoir, Duskull, Emboar, Entei, Fennekin, Flareon, Fletchinder, Frillish, Gallade, Gardevoir, Gastly, Gengar, Giratina, Gourgeist, Growlithe, Haunter, Heatmor, Heatran, Ho-Oh, Houndoom, Houndour, Infernape, Jellicent, Kirlia, Koffing, Lampent, Larvesta, Litleo, Litwick, Magby, Magcargo, Magmar, Magmortar, Mew, Mewtwo, Misdreavus, Mismagius, Moltres, Monferno, Ninetales, Numel, Pansear, Phantump, Pignite, Ponyta, Pumpkaboo, Pyroar, Quilava, Ralts, Rapidash, Reshiram, Rotom, Sableye, Shedinja, Shuppet, Simisear, Slugma, Smeargle, Solrock, Spiritomb, Talonflame, Tepig, Torchic, Torkoal, Trevenant, Typhlosion, Victini, Volcarona, Vulpix, Weezing, Yamask
- [19:28] capmono ftw: c.c
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- [19:28] Animaignis: imma prolly leave soon iv spent too much time on here today >.>
- [19:28] Candle Jerk: Focus Blast?
- [19:28] Aubisio: defog?
- [19:28] Animaignis: Focus Miss*
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- [19:28] @cbrevan: lo boosted moonblast already does a number on every steel save tran/ferro/zor
- /ds ghost type, all:
- Aegislash, Arceus-Ghost, Banette, Chandelure, Cofagrigus, Doublade, Drifblim, Drifloon, Dusclops, Dusknoir, Duskull, Frillish, Froslass, Gastly, Gengar, Giratina, Golett, Golurk, Gourgeist, Haunter, Honedge, Hoopa, Jellicent, Lampent, Litwick, Misdreavus, Mismagius, Phantump, Pumpkaboo, Rotom, Sableye, Shedinja, Shuppet, Spiritomb, Trevenant, Yamask
- [19:28] Aubisio: Light of Ruin?
- [19:28] Animaignis: Why LO?
- /ds ghost type, will-o-wisp, all:
- Arceus-Ghost, Banette, Chandelure, Cofagrigus, Drifblim, Drifloon, Dusclops, Dusknoir, Duskull, Frillish, Gastly, Gengar, Giratina, Gourgeist, Haunter, Jellicent, Lampent, Litwick, Misdreavus, Mismagius, Phantump, Pumpkaboo, Rotom, Sableye, Shedinja, Shuppet, Spiritomb, Trevenant, Yamask
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- [19:28] @cbrevan: why wouldn't you
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- [19:29] ZiggZ_COD: i just got 2nd place in a monotype CAP tourney
- [19:29] +Da Pizza Man: light of ruin loo no
- [19:29] Animaignis: I thought it ran more defensive to some degree
- [19:29] @cbrevan: its got 113 speed and 125 special + godly stab coverage
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- [19:29] Animaignis: true.
- [19:29] Aubisio: What are its abilities? Is that not decided yet? I suggest Light of Ruin + Reckless
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- [19:29] capmono ftw: it's got godly everything so far
- [19:29] Animaignis: ^
- [19:29] #HeaLnDeaL: magic bounce and infiltrator
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- [19:29] capmono ftw: just saying
- [19:29] Animaignis: OP
- [19:29] +Da Pizza Man: No light of ruin
- [19:29] +Da Pizza Man: its not even technically allowed since there is no way to get a mon with it in game legally
- [19:29] +Da Pizza Man: atm
- [19:29] @cbrevan: we don't need wisp to discourage steel switch ins
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- [19:30] Animaignis: we r creating a monster i mean just look at that things face in naughty mode :P it knows its OP and isnt afraid to flaunt it
- [19:30] #HeaLnDeaL: k, no wisp
- [19:30] +vulpix mayhem: this is still going on?
- [19:30] +vulpix mayhem: >..>
- [19:30] Animaignis: yus
- [19:30] +vulpix mayhem: jeeez lol
- [19:30] @cbrevan: since the majority of steels don't like its stabs and wisp really cripples ferro
- [19:30] #HeaLnDeaL: we will NOT learn will o wisp. we will NOT have fire, fighting, or ground coverage.
- [19:30] Animaignis: khosro had to give up :P
- [19:30] Aubisio: It needs a restricting movepool
- [19:30] +vulpix mayhem: rip khos
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- [19:30] Animaignis: the HeaLord has spoken \o/
- [19:30] Aubisio: to make it not broken
- [19:30] @cbrevan: taunt?
- [19:30] Animaignis: imma leave. Can we somehow have it so we can see this later?
- [19:30] #HeaLnDeaL: 113 is a fairly fast taunt
- [19:31] #HeaLnDeaL: yeah I'll post in the kitch ani
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- [19:31] Animaignis: we should have a flashCaps archive on the forums btw
- [19:31] Animaignis: k thx
- [19:31] @cbrevan: its called the cap kitchen ani
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- [19:31] Candle Jerk: Psychic coverage then?
- [19:31] #HeaLnDeaL: what does psychic coverage even let us hit?
- [19:31] @cbrevan: mega venu
- [19:31] capmono ftw: amoongus
- [19:31] Candle Jerk: Mollux
- [19:32] #HeaLnDeaL: hmm
- [19:32] Aubisio: breloom
- [19:32] Aubisio: gengar
- [19:32] Aubisio: all poisons
- [19:32] @cbrevan: how much do we want poisons to threaten us
- [19:32] capmono ftw: well
- [19:32] #HeaLnDeaL: moonblast hits breloom
- [19:32] capmono ftw: fairy hits breloom and shadow ball hits gengar
- [19:32] @cbrevan: shadow ball eats gengar
- [19:32] Candle Jerk: well they're neutral based on typing
- [19:33] Aubisio: scolipede
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- [19:33] Aubisio: Its not actually weak to poison tho
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- [19:33] Candle Jerk: but they could potentially wall this CAP without Ground or Psychic moves
- [19:34] Ria: It's only weak to Ghost, Steel btw
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- [19:34] Ria: With Bug it's only resistance (but 4x) and Dragon, Fighting, Normal immunities
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- [19:36] @cbrevan: we're already neutral to poisons, so its not like they're in a position to check us really
- [19:37] #HeaLnDeaL: whatever we decide, I just want fairly shallow coverage
- [19:37] @cbrevan: psychic should be fine since it only hits a small handful of pokemon
- [19:37] Aubisio: yeah
- [19:37] @cbrevan: yeah shallow coverage is needed since the stab coverage is amazing
- [19:37] Aubisio: but I think psyschock only
- [19:37] Aubisio: gah spelling
- [19:37] #HeaLnDeaL: energy ball or giga drain can hit krill
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- [19:38] @cbrevan: honestly psychic or psyshock would be fine
- [19:38] Aubisio: Give it Petal Dance
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- [19:38] @cbrevan: petal dance is pretty bad tho
- [19:38] #HeaLnDeaL: very bad
- [19:38] Aubisio: actually yeah
- [19:38] @cbrevan: literally can't use it until every steel is removed
- [19:39] Aubisio: What about Grass Pledge? nah actually. Leaf Storm/Tornado?
- [19:39] @cbrevan: energy ball / giga drain would be fine imo
- • Energy Ball Power
- 90Accuracy
- 100%PP
- 1610% chance to lower the target's Sp. Def. by 1.
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- Priority | Gen: 4 | ✓ Secondary effect | ✓ Bullet | Target: One Adjacent Pokémon
- [19:39] @cbrevan: leaf storm is an interesting idea
- [19:39] Aubisio: vine whip and seed flare
- [19:39] Candle Jerk: I think leaf storm is pushing it
- [19:39] @cbrevan: leaf tornado is trash tho
- [19:39] Aubisio: Yeah
- [19:39] Aubisio: but does it really need a grass type move
- [19:39] Aubisio: ?
- [19:40] @cbrevan: not really
- [19:40] #HeaLnDeaL: helps with kril
- [19:40] @cbrevan: but it wouldn't hurt
- [19:40] Aubisio: and rotom wash
- [19:40] Aubisio: does it have recovery?
- [19:40] @cbrevan: rotom-wash isn't taking repeated attacks anyways
- [19:40] @cbrevan: it has pain split
- [19:40] #HeaLnDeaL: I think we agreed on no reliable recovery. just pain split.
- [19:40] Aubisio: then give it Giga Drain.
- [19:40] Aubisio: oh
- [19:41] Aubisio: is giga drain "reliable"?
- [19:41] #HeaLnDeaL: it has kinda high HP for pain split tbh
- [19:41] @cbrevan: not at all
- [19:41] Aubisio: Then I think we should give it Giga Drain.
- [19:41] Aubisio: gtg now, bye.
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- [19:41] @cbrevan: reliable recovery are recovery moves
- [19:41] capmono ftw: reliable recovery is moves like recover softboiled slack off etc
- [19:41] Aubisio: pls post to CAP kitchen
- [19:41] @cbrevan: we will
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- [19:43] Aubisio: maybe ice coverage? bye
- [19:43] Candle Jerk: I don't think it necessary
- [19:43] Candle Jerk: Ice that is
- [19:43] #HeaLnDeaL: did we agree on psyshock?
- [19:43] Candle Jerk: kinda
- [19:43] Aubisio: i think so
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- [19:43] @cbrevan: i'm fine w/ psyshock psychic
- [19:44] #HeaLnDeaL: and we're all fine with energy ball/giga drain?
- [19:44] @cbrevan: honestly theres very little difference between the two besides hitting specific mons such as mega venu or mollux for slightly more damage
- [19:44] @cbrevan: especially if unstabbed
- [19:44] @cbrevan: yeah grass coverage is fine
- [19:44] Ria: I'm fine with it
- [19:44] Candle Jerk: the grass moves are good
- [19:44] #HeaLnDeaL: chansey I guess, but without boosts still won't do much
- [19:45] #HeaLnDeaL: k, so does it need any more coverage besides psy and grass?
- [19:45] @cbrevan: its not doing shit to chansey even w/ psyshock
- [19:45] Candle Jerk: I thought we didn't care Chansey
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- [19:45] #HeaLnDeaL: only if evio is knocked off
- [19:45] Aubisio: im back for 2 secsd
- [19:45] Candle Jerk: well we have Magic Bounce and were Ghost
- [19:45] Ria: I honestly don't know why Chansey is being brought up
- [19:45] Candle Jerk: what is it going to do
- [19:45] @cbrevan: nah even if evio is gone it still caps at 40% w/ lo
- [19:46] JDragon6299: how exactly do these battle ELO rankings work???
- [19:46] +vulpix mayhem: they go up when you win e.e
- [19:46] #HeaLnDeaL: so any more coverage? or we good here?
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- [19:46] JDragon6299: no but like the one for the battle
- [19:46] JDragon6299: not your individual ELO
- [19:47] Candle Jerk: I think Psychic and Grass are god enough
- [19:47] lightninging2: it could outstall it lmao
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- Coverage for Ghost + Fairy:
- Super Effective: Dark, Dragon, Fighting, Ghost, Psychic
- Neutral: Bug, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Rock, Steel, Water
- Resists: None
- Immunities: None
- [19:47] Aubisio: what's it going to be called?
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- [19:48] @cbrevan: haven't gotten to that stage yet
- [19:48] Candle Jerk: Gloombell
- [19:48] #HeaLnDeaL: k, so our moves are moonblast, shadow ball, pain split, giga drain, energy ball, psyshock, psychic
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- [19:48] JDragon6299: what's the typing???
- [19:48] #HeaLnDeaL: any other non-attacking competitive moves we want? wisp? taunt?
- [19:48] #HeaLnDeaL: ghost/fairy
- [19:48] Candle Jerk: Heal Bell
- [19:48] Ria: eh
- [19:48] @cbrevan: taunt would be nice tbh
- [19:48] Ria: I like Taunt
- [19:48] JDragon6299: nice, I say give it wisp then
- [19:49] @cbrevan: if we don't want to lose to any generic special wall
- [19:49] #HeaLnDeaL: taunt screws ferro a bit
- [19:49] Ria: Taunt won't make anything broken anyway
- [19:49] Candle Jerk: taunt I think is an absolute
- [19:49] @cbrevan: gyro one shots it no matter what
- [19:49] #HeaLnDeaL: I guess
- [19:49] #HeaLnDeaL: hmm
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- [19:49] #HeaLnDeaL: just let's specifically say wut taunt does
- [19:50] JDragon6299: but why taunt when if on a ferro that almost forces him to use your type weakness
- [19:50] Aubisio: Is this like Mega-Chimecho or what
- [19:50] Candle Jerk: we want ferro to threaten us
- [19:50] JDragon6299: why tho???
- [19:50] Candle Jerk: this is to stop Tomohawk
- [19:50] Ria: It's a flash cap
- [19:50] #HeaLnDeaL: I guess taunt stops opposing set uppers, like idk bulky gyarados
- [19:51] Ria: A quickly made CAP in the chat. Isn't going to be officially added or anything
- [19:51] SamHPL: Shadow Ball + HP Fire kills Ferro, right?
- [19:51] #HeaLnDeaL: if tomo doesn't use prankster taunt first, our taunt stops it from doing much
- [19:51] JDragon6299: but I think, a will-o-wisp is generally useful
- [19:51] Candle Jerk: we have Magic Bounce
- [19:51] Candle Jerk: tomo can't taunt us
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- [19:52] #HeaLnDeaL: ye
- [19:52] #HeaLnDeaL: so I guess we're free to taunt tomo
- [19:52] JDragon6299: but can't a magic bouncer taunt us if we taunt them???
- [19:52] capmono ftw: willo screws over most steel types too much
- [19:52] +Sunfished: It is Bronzecho, a gen 7 mon that introduces fusion evolution
- [19:52] JDragon6299: is that a bad thing???
- [19:52] @cbrevan: taunt lets us beat clefable, hippo, celebi notably
- [19:53] @cbrevan: as well as hard counter every chansey
- [19:53] @cbrevan: stops opposing set up on us
- [19:53] #HeaLnDeaL: ugh this seems so weird
- [19:53] #HeaLnDeaL: since our CnC list is so small
- [19:53] @cbrevan: tbh
- [19:54] @cbrevan: taunt isn't affecting ferro/tran in regards to 1v1 matchup
- [19:54] Aubisio: I think Taunt would make this BL0
- [19:54] Ria: What is our stats again?
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- [19:54] @cbrevan: since they're literally going to attack every time they're in
- [19:54] @cbrevan: cause of magic bounce
- [19:54] #HeaLnDeaL: ye because of mg
- [19:54] #HeaLnDeaL: ninja'd rip
- [19:54] #HeaLnDeaL: *mb
- [19:54] @cbrevan: taunt just lets us get past some bulkier pokemon
- [19:54] Aubisio: also this mon is offensive
- [19:55] @cbrevan: which isn't that bad a thing imo
- [19:55] #HeaLnDeaL: idk, stopping all supporters from supporting seems kinda excessive
- [19:55] Aubisio: I don't think we need defensibe options
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- [19:55] Aubisio: Do a poll for taunt
- [19:55] @cbrevan: taunt isn't purely a defensive option
- [19:55] Candle Jerk: we don't need a poll for taunt
- [19:55] Candle Jerk: that's silly
- [19:55] @cbrevan: in most cases its for exerting offensive pressure on defensive mons
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- [19:55] Aubisio: we should vote
- [19:56] #HeaLnDeaL: k, cbro, decide if we get taunt or not
- [19:56] Aubisio: let the people decidede
- [19:56] @cbrevan: lets discuss it more
- [19:56] #HeaLnDeaL: (btw cbro is TL now)
- [19:56] Aubisio: Ok
- [19:56] @cbrevan: we haven't really discussed it thoroughly yet
- [19:56] Aubisio: I simply fear that Taunt would make this pokemon broken
- [19:57] #HeaLnDeaL: taunt messes with navi, who is on our checks and counters list
- [19:57] Aubisio: Well
- [19:57] @cbrevan: the big question i pose to everyone is whether or not we should be able to pressure defensive pokemon anymore
- [19:57] Aubisio: we need a few checks and counters
- [19:57] JDragon6299: who else is on that list???
- [19:57] #HeaLnDeaL: then again, our shadow ball prolly hurts navi a lot...
- [19:57] @cbrevan: pretty much every steel that can take a shadow ball
- [19:57] Aubisio: whatsits stats
- [19:57] #HeaLnDeaL: heatran, scizor, navi, ferro
- [19:57] SamHPL: 252 SpA Life Orb Magikarp Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Naviathan: 230-270 (56 - 65.8%)
- [19:57] SamHPL: I changed the stats lol
- [19:57] @cbrevan: ghost/fairy, magic bounce + infiltrate her, 90/55/90/125/102/113 (575 BST)
- [19:57] @cbrevan: +HeaLnDeaL: concept:
- [19:58] @cbrevan: c/p fail w/e
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- [19:58] #HeaLnDeaL: does bulky navi run sp def EVs? idk
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- [19:58] #HeaLnDeaL: if it does it can get a CM up and still win... barely
- [19:59] @cbrevan: oh
- [19:59] Aubisio: 252 SpA Life Orb Gloombell Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Naviathan: 235-278 (57.3 - 67.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
- [19:59] #HeaLnDeaL: but only if we don't have taunt
- [19:59] @cbrevan: its still cleanly 2hkoed by shadow ball
- [19:59] @cbrevan: assuming lo
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- [19:59] @cbrevan: taunt would be able to run lefties + taunt to beat it
- [19:59] Aubisio: I don't think it needs taunt to stop navi
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- [19:59] JDragon6299: does it have any stat boosters???
- [19:59] @cbrevan: no
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- [20:00] Aubisio: 4 SpA Naviathan Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gloombell: 164-194 (51 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
- [20:00] #HeaLnDeaL: you're missing the point
- [20:00] +Twix: was cawmodore made as a counter to plasmanta
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- [20:00] Candle Jerk: no
- [20:00] @cbrevan: caps don't consider other caps in their creation
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- [20:00] @cbrevan: and caw was made long before plasmanta
- [20:00] +Twix: alright
- [20:00] Aubisio: outspeeds and KOS
- [20:01] #HeaLnDeaL: if navi has some sp def investment, it can take a shodow ball, CM once, recover until safe, and CM again... sad thing tho is the def drop
- [20:01] +Twix: caw does counter it though right
- [20:01] Aubisio: Heck, Gloombell practically wins
- [20:01] @cbrevan: plasmanta can actually act as a decent caw check
- [20:01] @cbrevan: through hp fire
- [20:01] +Twix: ah hp fire
- [20:01] @cbrevan: defensive sets can also haze away the boost and take an acro
- [20:01] @cbrevan: its a very soft check tho
- [20:02] +Twix: how much does +6 drain punch do
- [20:02] #HeaLnDeaL: less than acro
- [20:02] SamHPL: +6 252 Atk Cawmodore Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 154+ Def Plasmanta: 88-104 (27.1 - 32%)
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- [20:04] Ria: okay I got distracted
- [20:04] Ria: what was the original topic about again? Yes or no to Taunt?
- [20:04] #HeaLnDeaL: ye
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- [20:04] @cbrevan: does anyone else have anything to say about taunt?
- [20:04] @cbrevan: if not i'll open up a poll on it
- [20:05] #HeaLnDeaL: taunt messes with navi and other set uppers, effectively making us beat almost all utility
- [20:05] Aubisio: I say np
- [20:05] Aubisio: no
- [20:05] @cbrevan: just for reference
- [20:05] Ria: At first I was thinking "yes taunt is on like everything like sub" but now
- [20:05] Ria: no
- [20:05] Aubisio: Because it would make us practically broken
- [20:05] @cbrevan: we already have magic bounce which denies any utility move that isn't self targetting
- [20:05] Ria: Between our typing/stats/and M.Bounce
- [20:05] Aubisio: exactly
- [20:05] #HeaLnDeaL: ye
- [20:06] @cbrevan: and taunt lets us stallbreaker some pokemon we might not be able to before
- [20:06] #HeaLnDeaL: so we all agree no taunt?
- [20:06] Ria: I'm on the boat of no taunt
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- [20:06] @cbrevan: also
- [20:06] JDragon6299: I second that motion
- [20:06] Aubisio: no taunt
- [20:06] #HeaLnDeaL: #donttauntheboat
- [20:06] @cbrevan: its a taunt user w/ some form of recovery
- [20:06] @cbrevan: that beats sab
- [20:06] Candle Jerk: I'm now leaning towards no
- [20:06] @cbrevan: i don't think a poll is needed for this
- [20:06] @cbrevan: taunt is a no go
- [20:07] Aubisio: yay
- [20:07] #HeaLnDeaL: k, last move to discuss is wisp
- [20:07] Candle Jerk: no
- [20:07] Aubisio: no
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- [20:07] capmono ftw: screws over most steels
- [20:07] capmono ftw: so no
- [20:07] @cbrevan: destiny bond was brought up as well
- [20:07] #HeaLnDeaL: aight... so no taunt, no wisp?
- [20:07] Ria: I really like Wish, but I'll have to also go with no
- [20:07] Ria: wisp*
- [20:07] #HeaLnDeaL: we have a really fast de bond tbh
- [20:07] JDragon6299: Yes to wisp
- [20:07] SamHPL: dbond is cool
- [20:08] Aubisio: Destiny bond - abstain. Wish - yes.
- [20:08] #HeaLnDeaL: she meant wisp
- [20:08] #HeaLnDeaL: not wish
- [20:08] @cbrevan: wish is a no
- [20:08] #HeaLnDeaL: we are flat out not getting wish
- [20:08] Aubisio: oh
- [20:08] Aubisio: right
- [20:08] Aubisio: recovery
- [20:08] Ria: No wish, it was a typo and we don't want a good revocery
- [20:08] @cbrevan: wisp turns us into a very bulky wall
- [20:08] Aubisio: Destiny bond- thoughts?
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- [20:09] #HeaLnDeaL: I don't mind it, I just don't like it either (d bond)
- [20:09] Candle Jerk: what would be the arguments against DBond
- [20:09] #HeaLnDeaL: we're fast and can abuse it really well
- [20:09] @cbrevan: it lets us get past checks and counters w/ our fast speed
- [20:09] Aubisio: a better chance for KO
- [20:09] Aubisio: I think yes
- [20:09] @cbrevan: coverage is already kinda ass so there'd be no reason not to run it
- [20:09] Ria: Destiny Bond is pretty situational imo. I'll go with yes
- [20:09] Aubisio: because I don't think its that worth giving up other moverslots for it
- [20:09] Aubisio: and what ria said
- [20:10] #HeaLnDeaL: I think it would be worth forgoing coverage since our coverage is meh
- [20:10] JDragon6299: d-bond would be cool, but you would want to have some speed attached to it
- [20:10] @cbrevan: i'd drop psychic for it honestly
- [20:10] #HeaLnDeaL: might not have 100% usage, but more than 30% prolly
- [20:10] Candle Jerk: do we want any boosting moves like Calm Mind?
- [20:10] Aubisio: yes anyways imo
- [20:10] @cbrevan: we have 113 speed JDragon6299
- [20:10] @cbrevan: no boosting moves
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- [20:10] Ria: I'm against boosting moves
- [20:10] capmono ftw: being able to hit mega venu/ mollux for slightly extra damage
- [20:10] JDragon6299: do we have good health, def or SpD???
- [20:11] capmono ftw: is definitely not better than running Dbond
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- [20:11] @cbrevan: or kill any slow steel type?
- [20:11] Aubisio: 90/55/90/125/102/113 stats
- [20:11] #HeaLnDeaL: blah, I'm no to d bond I guess
- [20:11] Aubisio: so 90/90/102 bulk
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- [20:11] capmono ftw: no dbond
- [20:11] Aubisio: actually
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- [20:11] Aubisio: no dbond
- [20:11] Aubisio: jump on the bondwagon
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- (A poll was started by cbrevan.)
- [20:11] #HeaLnDeaL: k, any last competitive moves to discuss?
- [20:11] @cbrevan: voltturn?
- [20:11] Candle Jerk: TWave?
- [20:11] capmono ftw: trick?
- [20:11] JDragon6299: Hex
- [20:11] Aubisio: healing wish?
- [20:11] @cbrevan: since coverage is ass
- [20:12] @cbrevan: we don't have wisp JDragon6299
- [20:12] Aubisio: encore?
- [20:12] @cbrevan: so hex would be bad
- [20:12] JDragon6299: but if we have tWave or toxic
- [20:12] @cbrevan: we didn't want taunt because it would neuter utility
- [20:12] #HeaLnDeaL: we will auto get toxic.
- [20:12] @cbrevan: encore would do the same
- [20:12] Aubisio: heal bell? makes sense
- [20:12] Ria: We do have Toxic
- [20:12] JDragon6299: so toxic hex
- [20:12] Ria: eh
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- [20:12] Aubisio: dual screens?
- [20:12] #HeaLnDeaL: toixc hex is bad
- [20:12] @cbrevan: no twave because screw skillwave
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- [20:12] JDragon6299: pourquoi
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- [20:12] @cbrevan: and yeah toxic hex is bad
- [20:13] Candle Jerk: skillwave?
- [20:13] @cbrevan: you just run shadow ball and do more damage over two turns
- [20:13] #HeaLnDeaL: trick is interesting. I say no to twave tho.
- [20:13] Aubisio: signal beam
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- [20:13] @cbrevan: twave = skillwave
- [20:13] Ria: Thunderwave = Skillwave
- [20:13] Aubisio: LOL
- [20:13] @cbrevan: trick seems fine imo
- [20:13] @cbrevan: its not like anyone is scarfing it
- [20:13] Aubisio: yes trick
- [20:13] capmono ftw: i dont think a choice set on this would be good
- [20:13] @cbrevan: so it'd just be some specs set
- [20:13] Aubisio: Actually
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- [20:13] Candle Jerk: heal bell then?
- [20:13] Aubisio: i might scarf/specs it
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- [20:13] capmono ftw: lo would pretty much always be better
- [20:13] @cbrevan: which prob isn't any good
- [20:13] Ria: I know I'll scarf it
- [20:13] Aubisio: Heal Bell? it is a bell, after all
- [20:13] #HeaLnDeaL: heal bell seems OO, but wynaut
- [20:13] Ria: But that's another story
- [20:14] @cbrevan: heal bell would be fine
- [20:14] Ria: Heal Bell is fine
- [20:14] Aubisio: dual screens? yes heal bell btw
- [20:14] @cbrevan: someone mentioned healing wish before
- [20:14] #HeaLnDeaL: healing our team doesn't mess with our checks and counters, and stops tomo from spamming toxic I guess
- [20:14] Aubisio: yes
- [20:14] @cbrevan: i'd be fine w/ that
- [20:14] Candle Jerk: how about Memento?
- [20:14] Aubisio: Nah
- [20:14] Aubisio: I'm for healing wish tho
- [20:14] @cbrevan: memento on the gross
- [20:14] @cbrevan: sweep w/ caw
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- [20:14] @cbrevan: memento on any steel but sharp/tran
- [20:15] @cbrevan: sweep w/ caw
- [20:15] JDragon6299: memento? really?
- [20:15] Aubisio: fast memento is practically disgustingly broken to me
- [20:15] @cbrevan: not sure about memento tbh
- [20:15] @cbrevan: its kinda like destiny bond in that its very situational
- [20:15] @cbrevan: and also messes w/ our checks to an extent
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- [20:15] Aubisio: It would be the second fastest pokemon to learn Memento
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- [20:16] JDragon6299: who's the fastest??
- [20:16] Aubisio: after Dugtrio (and whimsicott actually)
- [20:16] #HeaLnDeaL: k, so shadow ball, moonblast, pain split, giga drain, energy ball, psychic, psyshock, heal bell, wut else? sorry, hard to keep track
- [20:16] capmono ftw: trick
- [20:16] JDragon6299: leech seed??
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- [20:16] Candle Jerk: isn't Latios faster
- [20:16] #HeaLnDeaL: trick oh yeah
- [20:16] capmono ftw: no latios isnt faster
- [20:16] Aubisio: healing wish
- [20:16] #HeaLnDeaL: leed seed is too much io. adds to recovery
- [20:16] capmono ftw: 113 > 110
- [20:16] JDragon6299: I see
- [20:16] Aubisio: ?
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- [20:16] Ria: No to Leech Seed
- [20:16] Candle Jerk: I always forget Latios's speed
- [20:17] @cbrevan: leech seed is a no
- [20:17] #HeaLnDeaL: so wut did we decide on d bond?
- [20:17] capmono ftw: no
- [20:17] Aubisio: No
- [20:17] capmono ftw: also imo no to memento
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- [20:17] Aubisio: ^
- (The poll was ended by cbrevan.)
- Poll ended destiny bond
- 1. yes (6 votes)
- 60%
- 2. no (4 votes)
- 40%
- [20:17] #HeaLnDeaL: k, so shadow ball, moonblast, pain split, giga drain, energy ball, psychic, psyshock, heal bell, trick?
- [20:17] capmono ftw: oh there was a poll about it
- [20:17] #HeaLnDeaL: idk where those yes's came from, everyone in chat said no
- [20:18] @cbrevan: yeah
- [20:18] capmono ftw: yeah
- [20:18] @cbrevan: i'm gonna redo it
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- (A poll was started by cbrevan.)
- [20:18] Aubisio: Uhm
- [20:18] JDragon6299: wut???
- [20:18] @cbrevan: gonna end it in two mins
- [20:18] capmono ftw: who is voting for yes
- [20:18] Aubisio: desicion on healing wish?
- [20:18] @cbrevan: yes
- [20:18] Ria: I am
- [20:18] lightninging2: cmon guys vote yes
- [20:18] SamHPL: yes
- [20:18] JDragon6299: moi
- [20:18] #HeaLnDeaL: heal wish seems a bit much
- [20:18] @cbrevan: why yes to destiny bond
- [20:18] capmono ftw: dbond on it is stupid
- [20:19] @cbrevan: why no to healing wish
- [20:19] #HeaLnDeaL: guys this poll is dumb, don't listen to it
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- [20:19] @cbrevan: if someone convinces me y/n to destiny bond
- [20:19] Aubisio: ^
- [20:19] @cbrevan: i'll just override poll
- [20:19] Aubisio: n bond
- [20:19] JDragon6299: not quite, if we can sumply endure to the next turn we'll kill the enemy
- [20:19] capmono ftw: no bond because it screws around with check/counter far too much
- [20:19] #HeaLnDeaL: destiny bond turns us into a sneaky annoying auto-kill machine
- [20:19] Aubisio: 6
- [20:19] Aubisio: ^
- [20:19] JDragon6299: do we have shadow sneak?
- [20:20] YamiMakai: Hi Everyone! Your dictator has returned!
- [20:20] Aubisio: no
- [20:20] Ria: You know
- [20:20] Aubisio: that would be stupid
- [20:20] @cbrevan: we have 55 base attack
- [20:20] Aubisio: but maybe for flavor
- [20:20] Ria: I keep forgetting we gave it Magic Bounce
- [20:20] JDragon6299: / any other priority moves??
- [20:20] @cbrevan: you can have all the physical moves you want lol
- [20:20] Aubisio: nah
- [20:20] Candle Jerk: no
- [20:20] capmono ftw: like dbond + magic bounce
- [20:20] capmono ftw: is actually crazy
- [20:20] @cbrevan: wait
- [20:20] capmono ftw: also 113 speed
- [20:20] @cbrevan: it is
- [20:20] @cbrevan: you have to attack it no matter what
- [20:20] capmono ftw: like wtf
- [20:20] #HeaLnDeaL: ye
- [20:20] Candle Jerk: oh eww
- (The poll was ended by cbrevan.)
- Poll ended destiny bond
- 1. yes (8 votes)
- 62%
- 2. no (5 votes)
- 38%
- [20:21] capmono ftw: lol
- [20:21] Aubisio: Yeah
- [20:21] Ria: Yeah... change my vote
- [20:21] @cbrevan: oh look the people have spoken
- [20:21] Aubisio: thats a NO
- [20:21] @cbrevan: sucks to be the people
- [20:21] #HeaLnDeaL: no debond
- [20:21] @cbrevan: caused no dbond
- [20:21] Aubisio: oh my god
- [20:21] JDragon6299: but democracy
- [20:21] capmono ftw: veto
- [20:21] @cbrevan: as the tl for this i have to remove the bad slate option
- [20:21] JDragon6299: god damnit, this is like the UN security council here
- [20:21] Ria: lol
- [20:21] Aubisio: I remember this happening in AAA once, with opponent's spiritomb
- [20:21] • MLG Mewking mind is gone
- [20:22] #HeaLnDeaL: k, so shadow ball, moonblast, pain split, giga drain, energy ball, psychic, psyshock, heal bell, trick? wut else, if anything?
- [20:22] Candle Jerk: hey in true democracy there are checks for majority rule
- [20:22] Aubisio: Is there healing wish or not?
- [20:22] Ria: I do not know if it counts as a competitive move
- [20:22] capmono ftw: healing wish is fine
- [20:22] JDragon6299: dark void
- [20:22] Ria: Perish Song?
- [20:22] #HeaLnDeaL: not competitive
- [20:22] Aubisio: Mean Look?
- [20:22] JDragon6299: void???
- [20:22] #HeaLnDeaL: dark void is banned
- [20:22] capmono ftw: no void lol
- [20:22] JDragon6299: hypnosis?
- [20:22] Ria: Not a fan of Mean Look at all
- [20:23] Aubisio: yeah
- [20:23] @cbrevan: no mean look
- [20:23] Aubisio: no mean look
- [20:23] #HeaLnDeaL: mean look is bad with MB
- [20:23] Aubisio: sing?
- [20:23] YamiMakai: hi everyone
- [20:23] #HeaLnDeaL: k so y/n to healing wish?
- [20:23] Aubisio: hi
- [20:23] Ria: Hi!
- [20:23] JDragon6299: hey.
- [20:23] Candle Jerk: I don't think we need sleep inducing moves
- [20:23] Aubisio: Y for healing wish
- [20:23] @cbrevan: you'd just mean look the wall that tried to recover on you
- [20:23] @cbrevan: and rest talk it to death
- [20:23] JDragon6299: sure
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- [20:23] @cbrevan: no hypnosis
- [20:23] JDragon6299: *sleep talk
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- [20:24] MLG Mewking: i just belly drummed and this guy had a heart swap krillo
- [20:24] capmono ftw: cop
- [20:24] Aubisio: healing wish poll?
- [20:24] @cbrevan: since its just a bland hax roll to try to fudge past checks
- [20:24] Aubisio: or yes no?
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- [20:24] @cbrevan: heal why did you think healing wish is too much?
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- [20:24] Aubisio: why does krill get heart swap?
- [20:24] #HeaLnDeaL: eh I'm fine with it tbh, I just don't see it getting usage
- [20:24] @cbrevan: because its krill
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- [20:24] #HeaLnDeaL: because krill is a bamf
- [20:25] capmono ftw: voltturn?
- [20:25] @cbrevan: i'd use it tbh
- [20:25] CantGreggMe: because it's kriller time
- [20:25] capmono ftw: screens?
- [20:25] @cbrevan: healing wish is a yes
- [20:25] #HeaLnDeaL: no to screens imo
- [20:25] @cbrevan: uh
- [20:25] @cbrevan: yeah no screens
- [20:25] Aubisio: so yes to HWish, no to screens, no to voltturn? for me
- [20:25] JDragon6299: protect?
- [20:25] #HeaLnDeaL: k let's close up competitive moves really really soon and open up complete movepool subs
- [20:25] capmono ftw: it gets protect because its a normal pokemon
- [20:25] JDragon6299: I see
- [20:25] @cbrevan: protect/sub/toxic are givens
- [20:26] Aubisio: foul play?
- [20:26] #HeaLnDeaL: no to foul play
- [20:26] Aubisio: ^
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- [20:26] Candle Jerk: u-turn?
- [20:26] Aubisio: belly drum
- [20:26] Aubisio: nah
- [20:26] #HeaLnDeaL: no boosting moves
- [20:26] #HeaLnDeaL: except for maybe work up, idk
- [20:26] Aubisio: parting shot?
- [20:26] #HeaLnDeaL: no
- [20:26] capmono ftw: and harden
- [20:27] Aubisio: dark pulse
- [20:27] Ria: No Defog/Rapid Spin I'm assuming
- [20:27] Aubisio: ye
- [20:27] #HeaLnDeaL: let's not give it generically good shit anymore. it has enough.
- [20:27] Ria: Yeah
- [20:27] Aubisio: yeah
- [20:27] +vulpix mayhem: :I
- [20:27] capmono ftw: onto full movepool submissions?
- [20:27] #HeaLnDeaL: defog might be fine tbh, but idk, it's a tuff one
- [20:27] Aubisio: so required moves is...?
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- [20:27] Ria: Honestly, I'm fine with it not getting Defog
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- [20:28] Candle Jerk: with Magic Bounce I think Defog would be unnecessary
- [20:28] #HeaLnDeaL: k, so shadow ball, moonblast, pain split, giga drain, energy ball, psychic, psyshock, heal bell, trick, healing wish + universal TMS (protect, sub, toxic, etc etc etc)? did I miss anything
- [20:28] Ria: Thunderbolt ;)
- [20:29] Ria: Naw I got no more
- [20:29] #HeaLnDeaL: cbro, does that look good?
- [20:29] @cbrevan: yeah
- [20:29] @cbrevan: gonna be afk for like five mins
- [20:30] @cbrevan: heal can you start the full movepool subs?
- [20:30] #HeaLnDeaL: sure. so peeps, go submit movepools with those above moves. don't forget your egg groups too, and tutor moves
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- [20:32] SamHPL: Showdown should allow us to use Custom mons, with no sprite, just to test things like this
- [20:32] JDragon6299: yup
- [20:32] +Sunfished: you guys better add hyper beam or it will kidnap your firstborn
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- [20:32] #HeaLnDeaL: we want level up moves and the level, TMs/HMs, egg moves and groups, and tutor moves. please do not include any competitive moves other than the ones listed above, and use your better judgement for what is competitive and not.
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- [20:33] Ria: How many moves do Pokemon learn on level up? Between 8-12?
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- [20:33] Aubisio: can it have focus blast?
- [20:33] Ria: from lv 1 to 100
- [20:33] #HeaLnDeaL: no focus blast
- [20:33] #HeaLnDeaL: I'd guess around 12-20, Ria
- [20:34] #HeaLnDeaL: but I'm not 100% sure
- [20:34] Ria: Alright, I'll go with 16
- [20:34] SamHPL: Perish Song + Mean Look is not competitive, so you guys can include it lol jk
- [20:34] #HeaLnDeaL: no rof
- [20:34] #HeaLnDeaL: you can have perish song, no mean look tho
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- [20:36] Ria: er
- [20:36] Aubisio: eh
- [20:36] Ria: Curse is one of those moves every Ghost gets, yeah?
- [20:36] Aubisio: nah
- [20:36] JDragon6299: what???
- [20:37] JDragon6299: whaddya mean not all ghosts get curse?
- [20:37] Aubisio: sableye does NOT learn curse
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- [20:37] Aubisio: for example
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- [20:37] Aubisio: gtg now so bye
- [20:37] Ria: Not even by TM?
- [20:37] Ria: Cya
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- [20:38] JDragon6299: ciao
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- [20:39] MLG Mewking: who wants to see the best play of 2016?
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- [20:39] JDragon6299: sure
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- [20:40] MLG Mewking: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/cap-334201706
- [20:40] @cbrevan: for reference: http://pastebin.com/bWpZjicB
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- [20:41] Ria: Thanks
- [20:41] capmono ftw: where's willo
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- [20:42] JDragon6299: you did so well Mewking
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- [20:44] MLG Mewking: until i belly drummed
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- [20:44] JDragon6299: can we select moves that have a chance at boosting stats???
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- [20:44] Ria: Like Ominous Wind?
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- [20:44] Ria: I say go for it
- [20:45] #HeaLnDeaL: only is the boost chance is like 20% or under
- [20:45] #HeaLnDeaL: no to charge beam
- [20:46] JDragon6299: not charge beam...
- [20:46] @cbrevan: no charge beam
- [20:46] JDragon6299: :'(
- [20:46] @cbrevan: charge beam would be bad on it and would just encourage bad sets
- [20:46] +vulpix mayhem: is it done yet?
- [20:46] +vulpix mayhem: .o.
- [20:46] @cbrevan: like charge beam on zapdos
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- [20:47] capmono ftw: charge beam toxic is good cb
- [20:47] capmono ftw: what are you on about
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- [20:48] #HeaLnDeaL: he's speaking of viper
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- [20:48] JDragon6299: charge beam zapdos is NOt bad
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- [20:48] capmono ftw: rip viper
- [20:49] JDragon6299: and anyone who says otherwise can take it up with me in game
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- [20:50] Ria: What was the status on Perish Song again?
- [20:50] #HeaLnDeaL: just curious, who is even trying to make a movepool sub?
- [20:50] #HeaLnDeaL: perish song is fine, mean look is not
- [20:50] Ria: I'm making a movepool atm
- [20:50] Ria: Okay
- [20:50] +Da Pizza Man: wit this is still going on?
- [20:51] +Da Pizza Man: wait
- [20:51] #HeaLnDeaL: yes
- [20:51] JDragon6299: I actually don't know how all of this is working so I'm just kinda waiting and making small talk in the mean itme
- [20:51] JDragon6299: *time
- [20:51] #HeaLnDeaL: doing movepools, so the last real stage
- [20:51] Ria: Complete Movepool part now
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- [20:51] Ria: Yeah
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- [20:51] FuckingSaltyVulpix: I wish the tomo killer was real
- [20:51] FuckingSaltyVulpix: e.e
- [20:51] Ria: I think many of us do lol
- [20:51] Ria: Or a concept like it
- [20:52] FuckingSaltyVulpix: cause fuck tomo
- [20:52] JDragon6299: ^
- [20:52] FuckingSaltyVulpix: he's why I ran pidgeot, but now cruci came out so rip pidgeot
- [20:52] FuckingSaltyVulpix: :[
- [20:54] capmono ftw: hp ground on pidge
- [20:54] FuckingSaltyVulpix: true, doesn't do enough though
- [20:54] @cbrevan: hp ground on torn-t
- [20:54] FuckingSaltyVulpix: so I just went with the next best thing
- [20:54] FuckingSaltyVulpix: mega metagross z.z
- [20:54] capmono ftw: 2hko then it also hits kril and clohm
- [20:55] capmono ftw: but yeah really there isnt much reason to waste your mega slot on pidgey when you have torn-t sitting there
- [20:55] JDragon6299: but mega-gyarados
- [20:55] +Sunfished: do you guys have a list of past flash caps
- [20:56] FuckingSaltyVulpix: fuck torn t
- [20:56] FuckingSaltyVulpix: it's so boring
- [20:56] #HeaLnDeaL: past flash caps are in the kitchen, sungod
- [20:56] +Sunfished: ooo
- [20:56] +Sunfished: okay I'll go take a looksie
- [20:57] #HeaLnDeaL: prolly best to do a smogon search within the thread itself
- [20:57] JDragon6299: the kitchen???
- [20:57] JDragon6299: tell me that was some sort of joke
- [20:57] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: my apologies for these terrible alts
- [20:57] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: x.x
- [20:58] Ria: The CAP Kitchen lol
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- [20:58] +Sunfished: this is the kitchen, JDragon6299http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/the-cap-kitchen-non-competitive-discussion-goes-here.3471873/
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- [20:59] JDragon6299: crap... its a legit kitchn
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- [21:00] JDragon6299: i didn't seethat one coming
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- [21:04] Ria: Finished level up and TMs
- [21:04] Ria: Doing Egg moves and Move tutor now
- [21:04] #HeaLnDeaL: : O cool
- [21:04] @cbrevan: is ria the only one who's making a movepool?
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- [21:05] Ria: I'm pretty sure there's one other who's doing so. I dunno
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- [21:05] @cbrevan: cool
- [21:05] #HeaLnDeaL: who's the other?
- [21:06] Ria: I have no clue aha
- [21:07] #HeaLnDeaL: the world is resting on Ria's shoulders
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- [21:08] Animaignis: RIP changing direction
- [21:08] Animaignis: someone needs to do something concrete 9_9
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- [21:08] Aubisio: was going to make a movepool
- [21:09] Aubisio: too late nao
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- [21:09] Animaignis: lol
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- [21:09] Animaignis: it woulld have taken me too much time to make a movepool 9_9 im slow and meticulous with them
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- [21:11] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: x.x
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- [21:11] Animaignis: x_x
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- [21:11] Animaignis: is it just me or has CAP room been more popular lately?
- [21:11] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: sigh..the fucking salt is unreal
- [21:12] • Animaignis still salty over Crucibelle
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- [21:12] Animaignis: nhi Jas
- [21:12] Animaignis: hi*
- [21:12] #jas61292: Hello
- [21:12] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: same, cruci is annoying
- [21:13] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: I just think giving it low kick was terrible judgement
- [21:13] Animaignis: it got wood hammer, threw flavour out window with that, and isnt an awesome aztec snake god
- [21:13] Animaignis: and I dont think cruci even has legs
- [21:13] Animaignis: >_>
- [21:13] Animaignis: gg world
- [21:13] capmono ftw: when i first came into the room it averaged around 20-25 users during the day
- [21:13] Animaignis: g logic
- [21:13] Animaignis: same
- [21:14] capmono ftw: so it has definitely become more popular recently
- [21:14] @cbrevan: i remember it averaging even less when i was first starting
- [21:14] @cbrevan: like 10-15
- [21:14] capmono ftw: that's what its like at like 10pm for me
- [21:14] Candle Jerk: well it's likely because it wasn't that long ago since Crucibelle was made
- [21:14] #jas61292: Back in my day, we used to average... me.
- [21:15] #jas61292: Ok, not really...
- [21:15] capmono ftw: lol
- [21:15] #jas61292: but... close
- [21:15] Animaignis: lol
- [21:15] capmono ftw: back in the days when edwinning was a driver?
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- [21:15] #jas61292: Well, actually, what I would actually consider "my day" was probably before this room existed. Heck, before rooms existed period.
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- [21:16] #jas61292: Man... I'm old...
- [21:16] #HeaLnDeaL: very old
- [21:16] Whimsicott-Mega: so this is what cap is :o
- [21:17] Animaignis: rofl jas
- [21:17] capmono ftw: jas the old man
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- [21:17] #jas61292: God... I've been a mod here for like... coming up on three and a half years.
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- [21:18] Animaignis: silly vulpix ur not supposed to accept teams from strangers in alleyways :P
- [21:18] Reapehify: So jas, are you interested in updating CAP movepools or not?
- [21:18] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: he said it was a good team, lies s.s
- [21:19] Animaignis: all high level CAP dudes r so old o_0
- [21:19] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: it barely has hazard removal.
- [21:19] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: lol
- [21:19] Animaignis: rofl
- [21:19] Animaignis: Excadrill only?
- [21:19] #jas61292: I have nothing against it if it is part of a general policy shift towards that kind of thing
- [21:19] Animaignis: Volt Switch needs to be added for flavour consistancy
- [21:19] #HeaLnDeaL: Ria, how's it going?
- [21:19] Reapehify: A general policy shift?
- [21:19] Animaignis: to krillo, plasmanta, maybe cyclohm
- [21:20] Reapehify: Definitely Cyclohm.
- [21:20] Ria: Here is what I got so far
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- [21:20] • Animaignis shud stop eating fudge or il get fat >_>
- [21:20] #jas61292: I mean, just changing policy so that we actually want to keep them updated with the CAP meta. If we don't really care about doing that, I wouldn't want to do it just to do it.
- [21:20] • Reapehify already is fat
- [21:20] Animaignis: but it so gud :I
- [21:20] Ria: I'm pretty sure I'm not missing a competitive move
- [21:20] Ria: http://pastebin.com/91XqmTea
- [21:20] • DONE WITH MONOTYPE should start actually eating food
- [21:20] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: e.e
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- [21:20] #jas61292: That said, I still would only want to see new moves from new gens added. If we didn't want something at the time, I don't think we should add it later.
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- [21:20] +Sunfished: hyper beam yasss
- [21:20] Animaignis: What about Shadow Sneak for flavor Ria?
- [21:20] Animaignis: Hyper Beam 4 dayz
- [21:21] Animaignis: And Krillowat also needs Scald
- [21:21] Ria: It's there
- [21:21] Animaignis: must have read over it
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- [21:21] Ria: Egg Moves, line 74
- [21:21] Animaignis: and is there any chance of removing the incompatibility of Argho Bulk Up and Recover?
- [21:21] #HeaLnDeaL: looks good ria, except tbolt
- [21:21] Ria: I thought so
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- [21:21] Animaignis: Maybe Memento instead of Healing Wish?
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- [21:21] Animaignis: or both?
- [21:22] #HeaLnDeaL: naw we said no to memento
- [21:22] Animaignis: looks good otherwise then
- [21:22] Animaignis: alrite
- [21:22] Reapehify: No, I completely agree with that jas. I'm talking about TMs, tutor moves, and egg moves for Gen 6. Completely objective, completely competitive, and completely reasonable.
- [21:23] Animaignis: I understand that. But I still think Argho's incompatibility should be updated
- [21:23] +Sunfished: jump kick lmao
- [21:23] @cbrevan: gtg
- [21:23] Animaignis: bye
- [21:23] @cbrevan: heal its all yours
- [21:23] #HeaLnDeaL: rip cbro
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- [21:23] #HeaLnDeaL: I'll miss you
- [21:23] Ria: Have you seen the art lol
- [21:23] #HeaLnDeaL: forever
- [21:23] @cbrevan: same
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- [21:23] #HeaLnDeaL: sunfished made the art
- [21:23] Reapehify: And I wouldn't mess with with restrictions, like Necturna's Sketch or Arghonaut's Bulk Up/Recover. Those are individual issues.
- [21:23] Ria: http://pastebin.com/6nYdFRJF
- [21:23] Ria: is the updated link if needed
- [21:23] #jas61292: Really... the biggest things I am concerned about are things that would massively change how things are used competitively. Like Volt Switch and Scald for Kril. I don't know how I would feel about it.
- [21:24] #HeaLnDeaL: aight looks good ria
- [21:24] #HeaLnDeaL: I'll post in the kitchen
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- [21:24] Animaignis: yayy
- [21:24] +Sunfished: what name is it tho
- [21:24] Animaignis: o_0
- [21:24] #HeaLnDeaL: oh yeah
- [21:24] Ria: Ah yeah
- [21:24] #HeaLnDeaL: we need a name
- [21:24] • Animaignis was just about to say "clutch flashmon end"
- [21:24] Animaignis: ;-;
- [21:25] Ria: lol
- [21:25] Ria: This is the part everyone would love too, if they were still here
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- [21:25] +Sunfished: Let's name it...
- [21:26] +Sunfished: Dingdong
- [21:26] #HeaLnDeaL: Bellby
- [21:26] #HeaLnDeaL: dingdong is great too
- [21:26] Animaignis: How about Djilluminati (djinn + illumntati) :P
- [21:26] Snorlax_in_the_way: heal have you steal not finished
- [21:26] Ria: I still like Bellonetta
- [21:26] Snorlax_in_the_way: why is this thing called flash cap
- [21:26] Reapehify: But it's not a djinn.
- [21:26] Snorlax_in_the_way: its not even fast
- [21:26] +Sunfished: Bellonetta omg
- [21:26] +Sunfished: oml
- [21:26] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: eh...I hate this ladder.
- [21:26] Reapehify: Comparatively it is.
- [21:26] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: so fucking much
- [21:26] +Sunfished: it HAS to be Bellonetta
- [21:26] Animaignis: Bellonetta sounds like bayonett but sure :P
- [21:26] Snorlax_in_the_way: Reapehify, true
- [21:26] Snorlax_in_the_way: but still
- [21:26] Animaignis: ah wel :P
- [21:26] +Sunfished: that's the joke, animaignis :p
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- [21:26] #HeaLnDeaL: dingdong is still best
- [21:27] Animaignis: Dongding \o/
- [21:27] capmono ftw: crucibell
- [21:27] Animaignis: dewdong dewgong
- [21:27] +Sunfished: Or Ringading
- [21:27] +Sunfished: dong
- [21:27] Candle Jerk: Gloombella
- [21:27] Animaignis: Ringhost
- [21:27] Reapehify: Reverbell
- [21:27] Reapehify: Reverberation + Bell
- [21:28] Animaignis: Shadjinn \o/ the non-djinn strikes again
- [21:28] Ria: Can someone post the are again?
- [21:28] Animaignis: Naughost
- [21:28] Ria: art*
- [21:28] +Sunfished: http://puu.sh/ngCfU/de6ecef888.png
- [21:28] Ria: Thank!
- [21:28] #HeaLnDeaL: ringading omg
- [21:28] Animaignis: its a bell sometimes with legs
- [21:28] Snorlax_in_the_way: name it tomo 2
- [21:28] Snorlax_in_the_way: imo
- [21:28] Animaignis: Angeist
- [21:28] Candle Jerk: it shoots lazers
- [21:28] Animaignis: Angsty + Angel + Geist :P
- [21:28] Reapehify: I like Angeist.
- [21:28] +Sunfished: Kiltomo
- [21:28] Animaignis: Lazap
- [21:28] Reapehify: I also like Reverbell.
- [21:29] Reapehify: :^)
- [21:29] Ria: I could have gave it Vine Whip. :P
- [21:29] Animaignis: Power Whip o3o
- [21:29] Candle Jerk: serabell
- [21:29] Animaignis: Bellectual
- [21:29] Candle Jerk: Seraph + bell
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- [21:29] Animaignis: Fiftishades
- [21:29] Animaignis: \o/
- [21:29] Candle Jerk: OH MY
- [21:30] #HeaLnDeaL: ringading and dingdong are my favorites
- [21:30] Reapehify: They're puns.
- [21:30] @gday: i like dingdong
- [21:30] Reapehify: :l
- [21:30] Animaignis: we gotta name it Phiftishades :P
- [21:30] Animaignis: that naughty mode tho
- [21:30] Reapehify: Stance Change.
- [21:30] Animaignis: i mean, srsly. Look at it.
- [21:30] Animaignis: o_0
- [21:30] Reapehify: Y'know what I'm saying?
- [21:30] Reapehify: ;);)
- [21:30] +Sunfished: If Dingdong is the choice that means naughty mode needs to be canon
- [21:30] Animaignis: rofl
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- [21:31] #HeaLnDeaL: all the modes are already canon
- [21:31] +Sunfished: one is literally canon
- [21:31] Reapehify: :^)
- [21:31] Candle Jerk: I just noticed the legs
- [21:31] Candle Jerk: oh christ
- [21:31] Fratty: sup dudes
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- [21:31] Animaignis: Dingdong seems legit :P
- [21:31] #HeaLnDeaL: k, everyone say your favorite name
- [21:31] • Animaignis just caught onto it rofl
- [21:31] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: ...
- [21:31] @gday: dingdong
- [21:31] Reapehify: Reverbell
- [21:32] Animaignis: Phiftyshades
- [21:32] +Sunfished: Bellonetta
- [21:32] Ria: Fayeshade
- [21:32] Snorlax_in_the_way: reverbell
- [21:32] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: alright, gonna kill my elo
- [21:32] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: e.e
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- [21:32] Animaignis: Can i vote on alts too :P
- [21:32] +Sunfished: I change my name to Dingdong
- [21:32] Candle Jerk: something with tintinnabulum
- [21:32] Animaignis: we shud do formal poll for this
- [21:32] Reapehify: Yeah.
- (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
- (A poll was started by HeaLnDeaL.)
- [21:33] Animaignis: and dingdong shoots to the lead o3o
- [21:33] Reapehify: It's such a troll name.
- [21:33] Animaignis: if u get what i mean >:)
- [21:33] Animaignis: thats its pokedex entry :P
- [21:33] Reapehify: Yay.
- [21:33] Animaignis: nuu
- [21:33] Candle Jerk: you're all two-year olds
- [21:33] Reapehify: ^
- [21:33] Animaignis: v
- [21:33] +Sunfished: Bellonetta
- [21:34] Animaignis: dingdong best name
- [21:34] Ria: I wanted to vote one Bellonetta so much but I'll have to give it to Reverbell
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- [21:34] Animaignis: this poll seems conclusive
- [21:34] Animaignis: Dingdong vs reverbell
- [21:34] Reapehify: Yes, Reverbell vs troll name.
- [21:35] Candle Jerk: tintinnaphim
- [21:35] Reapehify: And troll name takes lead.
- (The poll was ended by HeaLnDeaL.)
- Poll ended flash cap name
- 1. dingdong (5 votes)
- 42%
- 2. reverbell (4 votes)
- 33%
- 3. bellonetta (0 votes)
- 0%
- 4. ringading (1 vote)
- 8%
- 5. tintinnabulum (2 votes)
- 17%
- [21:35] +Sunfished: just rename it Dingidong
- [21:35] Candle Jerk: that's worse
- [21:35] Reapehify: Yeah.
- [21:35] Reapehify: That's worse.
- [21:35] +Sunfished: :^}
- (The poll has ended – scroll down to see the results)
- (A poll was started by HeaLnDeaL.)
- [21:35] Candle Jerk: nope can't make me
- [21:35] Animaignis: Bangbell
- [21:35] Animaignis: best name \o/
- [21:35] AeroDrac: Hello!
- [21:36] Reapehify: Hello!
- [21:36] Animaignis: hi
- [21:36] +OTTER POWER!!!: Ringabel
- [21:36] Animaignis: Bellbang
- [21:36] Ria: ayy Bravely Default
- [21:36] +OTTER POWER!!!: c;
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- [21:36] Animaignis: Braviery default? :P
- [21:36] Reapehify: Braviary*
- [21:36] Animaignis: .-.
- [21:36] +Sunfished: this tie lol
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- [21:36] Candle Jerk: Braviery defaulting on his loans
- [21:36] Animaignis: my spelling sucks
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- [21:37] AeroDrac: Ooh, they are tied up!
- [21:37] Reapehify: Yeah.
- [21:37] Animaignis: i wud vote onn my phone but im too lazy :P
- [21:37] Reapehify: Good to go now.
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- [21:37] Animaignis: wait Mewking might break tie
- [21:37] Animaignis: nvrmind its 6-8 now >_>
- [21:37] Reapehify: It's conclusive.
- [21:37] Animaignis: yup
- [21:37] Reapehify: :^)
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- [21:37] Master Mewking: i voted reverbell
- [21:37] Reapehify: Good job.
- [21:38] Animaignis: Crucibelle-Reverbell. Id ship it by name
- [21:38] Reapehify: You're all grown up.
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- [21:38] +Sunfished: is it ree verb bell or reh ver bell
- [21:38] Animaignis: i think reverb + bell
- [21:38] Animaignis: so reh ver bell
- [21:38] Reapehify: Re-verb-bell, Reverb+Bell.
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- [21:38] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: shoot it's alread 6:30
- [21:38] DONE WITH MONOTYPE: damnit
- [21:38] Reapehify: Sorry, it's how Animaignis said.
- [21:38] Master Mewking: so whats a flash cap?
- [21:39] Animaignis: shoot its alrieady 8:30 :P
- [21:39] Reapehify: A one day CAP session.
- [21:39] Animaignis: ^
- [21:39] Animaignis: A flash flood + cap
- [21:39] Reapehify: We create a fake cap that won't be programmed.
- [21:39] Master Mewking: oh
- [21:39] Animaignis: its a practice CAP, or a fakefakemon
- (The poll was ended by HeaLnDeaL.)
- Poll ended flash cap name
- 1. dingdong (7 votes)
- 44%
- 2. reverbell (9 votes)
- 56%
- [21:39] +Sunfished: can we at least name the pre-evo dingdong
- [21:39] #HeaLnDeaL: k, reverbell wins
- [21:39] Animaignis: yas
- [21:40] Reapehify: Yes.
- [21:40] Animaignis: make it taller but thinner with short legs :P
- [21:40] Reapehify: Dingdong evolves into Reverbell.
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